I walked into a Sportsman's Warehouse to see if they had a bore sight for a 9mm. Long story short i saw they had ammo. 200 rd boxes naturally got my juices flowing. I bought them before i realized the price. $150 after taxes. 70 cents a round is just to much. I'm keeping them but God bless Academy sports and Bass pro shops.. Shooters love you guys. $99.95 for the same ammo at Academy.
I'm an apartment dweller, and I might be evacuated from my building, so I just want a way to take one of my rifles with me while filing out with a large crowd of other people. That means a broken down 16" AR15 is entirely viable. Just pointing out the "backpack gun" concept has some realistic contexts.
The concept of a backpack gun in regards to the context has been around for a long time. Think about a bug out bag... Most people live in urban environments and in situations like that they don't want it to be a massive obviously large gun bag. Overall, there are plenty of realistic scenarios I could imagine where it may be useful.
If you're looking at preparing for a SHTF bug out situation you could keep your rifle in standard long format and invest in a good sling and a loose body cover like a serape.
@@Predalien195 at the same time, bug out bags have been criticized as a bogus way to think about stuff because a home base will always be far better than going around doing whatever in the woods. A "get home" bag with the objective of bringing you safely home where you have a normal size rifle is ways better, you just have to imagine "home" could be as foreign as a motel or your car (where you will have your vehicle bag). If you're in trouble, your absolute first objective will always be to get away and to safety.
genuine question, If you are going somewhere that you believe you will need to deploy a long gun over an average carry pistol. Why the hell are you going there?
Sometimes job necessity. Picture this. I'm a mechanic. GM wants to send me to Atlanta, for training. It's summer, on an election year. Do I think I'm gonna need it? No. Am I going without it? Hell no. It ain't about what you anticipate. It's about what could happen, given what area you are going to. Even if I'm going to the beach, who's to say a mob ain't gonna shut down a highway and get violent? Sure, a pistol might be enough to deter and get away but what if it isn't? What if these idiots start shooting at people, who try to run them over or use pistols to defend themselves from the mob? I'd like to have a little more firepower, range, and magazine capacity. After summer of 2020, I don't know why everyone doesn't carry on their person AND carry a long gun in the vehicle.
@@654Crossman you live your life in fear. Not in preparation. Your self defense fantasy is a farce. Just like those tools that edc with spare 3 magazines.
I second quite a bit of what Crossman said. I live and work in areas that experience extreme weather, in an industry that sends me into heavily impacted areas. I've had co-workers tell me stories of years past where looters and generally desperate people have robbed them of supplies. While I admit a case of water, or a generator is not worth me taking a life to defend, there are those who may feel it's worth taking a life for in a disaster area.
Do you think anyone who get shot regardless of gun thought they were going to get shot? It’s about having the most effective thing for a worse case scenario, reason why people make nuke bunkers.
Valid question for sure. Situational awareness and avoidance is #1. For me personally I work across the country on oil rigs from Canada to the tx/NM/mx boarders and everywhere in between. During lockdowns it paid off because we ate alot of jack rabbit with food shortages in the areas. But we're gone for long durations. Driving there might have been 75 and sunny. But 14-28+ days later sometimes months .. things can deteriorate. During the summer of love I got around most of the bs. But there were some times where if things had gone south without it .. I wouldn't have gotten home to my kids
@Jaron More common as in more popular so as to demand more options from manufacturers. The 20-round PMAGs were somewhat problematic for a long time, for example. And still no windowed 20-rd PMAGs or 300 BLK-specific 20-rd PMAGs. Lancer mags are decent, but I hate how difficult they are to insert on a closed bolt, even when down-loaded by a couple of rounds.
I'll stick to my Shield for edc, but I did just build myself a 7.5" AR pistol which fits perfectly inside my Cannae duffle bag along with plenty of mags and my body armor. The entire bundle fits in the spare tire well in the back of my Jeep. I even have room in there for my tools and some food/water supplies.👍🏻🍻
@@kylelever sorry bro but if you are confused then you got issues my man. Same thing with your show of force comment. As we have already seen that show of force makes others see you as a threat or opportunity. Just look what Kyle Rittenhouse went through because he was carrying a long gun. Lucky for him the rioters were incompetent or he'd be dead and the jury came out in his favor.
I remember as a child seeing the "corporals killing" on TV. It was when two soldiers in Northern Ireland took a wrong turn, and a mob quickly descended on them. They were both armed AND fired their weapons, but it took literally seconds for them to be dragged from the car and disarmed by the mob. Pretty scary situation.
Haiti welcomes any foreigner with cash to lose. At best a pre-paid departure flight will allow boarding of anyone stripped naked by Haitians with nothing else to lose.
@@weareallbeingwatched4602 except they all work/ed for the Crown, paid by MI5/6 to terrorize their own people. now theyre not even needed anymore, as the irish, british, etc citizens enact their own deathwish and let their freemason cops run muslim gangs that traffic their kids.
The likelihood of certain situations is remote, it's true. Yes, always avoid or evade as a first choice! I live in a nice middle to upper middle class neighborhood. Very quiet. Virtually no crime. No murders in a town on 40k in over 50 years. Last weekend, someone tried to forcibly enter a friend/neighbor's home in the middle of the day when they were home! Thankfully, they didn't gain entrance and were scared away when the inhabitants screamed through the door. The statistical likelihood of an incident like this is remote...but it does happen. I told my wife, "this is why I carry a gun all day everyday even when I'm at home".
And this is one main reason I keep coming back to this channel for your videos; you stay away from the alarmist, unrealistic doom & gloom hysteria of so many gun-related channels nowadays and make rational, logical points about not only firearm use but social interactions in general. Many thanks, your reasoned approach is very refreshing and much needed in these weird times.
One piece of advice that I’ve read that resonates with me is “don’t hang around to watch the show.” That is as true of a criminal attack on a third party as it is of a protest. If I see something that looks like it might go south, I GTFO immediately. The best way to win a fight is to not be there. Two people involved in a domestic? Call the police and GTFO. Three police cars involved in a traffic stop? GTFO. Demonstrators protesting? GTFO. The local baseball team having a parade because they won the pennant? I read about the planned parade the day before and I’m long gone.
@@SandstormGT Most of the pistol configs on Broker are going for north of $2,000 some with 2-4% CC surcharge too. Good guns but I'll stick with my own custom builds. Paying top dollar ain't an issue for me most of the time but I don't like throwing it away either.
My GHB/Backpack gun is an ATI 7.5-inch AR pistol with KAK Micro Blast Diverter and KAK Blade brace positioned fully forward. It measures right at 22-inches. Mags are 20rd Lancers.
I there are NOT very many scenarios where taking out your long gun from your backpack and putting rounds downrange instead of retreating that also couldn't be handled by your concealed pistol. This backpack gun trend screams of manufacturers inventing a new market segment.
My "backpack" firearm is my MP5K. It folds perfectly into my sling bag. The POU is when you need more sustained, accurate volumes of fire. It shares the same ammo as my side arm. HOWEVER, it is highly maneuverable, more accurate given 4 points of contact, holds more rounds (25-30), has a longer barrel (5.6 and 8.9) for better ballistics and longer sight radius and no significant felt recoil. Also, it uses a sling so you can go hands free and keep it ready without re-holstering. So if you really are getting into a prolonged/running gun battle this is a better option.
Truth! Especially when there are options already available for those few specialists that really need to have a more offensive capability on hand. Bodyguards, armor car guards and a few others. In the case of mob violence, situational awareness I’d much better than a bag gun.
Plenty of situation preclude retreating. If I’m with my family, or a large group of kids. Also, not sure if you’ve been staying aware, but violence is increasing. Slowly, sure, but still increasing.
Not sure its manufactures, i think its more enthusiasts who are just coming up with excuses/direction for new builds. Guys who have a Home defense AR, Truck gun, shtf rifle etc and are saying i want to setup a new gun and not just another 16” AR .... I havent really seen manufacturers pushing “backpack guns” per se.
Thank you for discussing today's climate with just facts and absolutely NO POLITICAL bull or scare tactics. That's why I watch your videos (and buy your ammo with expensive shipping ;).
I hope CMMG makes adapter kits for the 20 round mags as well, I was thinking earlier in the video that the 30 round stuck out a bit far for the concept behind this rifle. Great video as always.
I cut one of my adapters down and put it in a 20rd pmag. Hundreds of rounds later and no malfunctions. only drawback is that it is a little more complicated to install. LOL I just got to the part that he did the same thing but I didn't melt it back together.
@Timeless Auto Works So you just hacked off the bottom and didn't bother with any of the internal floorplate and stuff? I was going to try that next, but wasn't sure if it would work.
@@LuckyGunner I was going to put the bottom plate back on like you did but could not think of a reason that it actually needed it. I understand why they put it on, its impossible to install wrong. With the bottom all loose I must be really careful to put everything in the correct spot. The mag also holds 21 rounds now but I only put 20 in.
The biggest issue when choosing a bag gun is barrel length and the time it takes to get a tax stamp. Without waiting the main options to keep it small are a pistol brace with all its compromises, a folder like the Sub 2000 though that's blowback, or a bullpup. Personally I'd ditch the $1200 limit and no blowback limitation and get a PS90. Ideally SBR it and install a 10.4" barrel.
@@Matt_The_Hugenot looks aren't really important to me. It is even more simple than an AK47. Has enough customization to make it whatever you want. And is able to go anywhere a full size handgun can go. It's a better sidearm than any pistol and able to be a decent mid range PDW that can go anywhere.
Backpack guns are an interesting concept. Seems pretty niche though. I agree it can do things easier than a Beretta 92. But I can actually CC my Beretta 92 (when the weather isn't so extremely hot). I think I'm likely to leave the backpack at home unless I feel I will actually need it. If I feel that way, I'm likely to stay home myself unless going out is extremely necessary.
DB is heavily out of favor lately for...no reason. 'Recoil' is cited mostly, while in the same sentence allowing it's among the most proven, rugged, reliable systems. Just gun-fad bandwagon bullshit.
@@eonsislept207 Mp5 really was first. A delayed blowback design that nooen else was able to follow. CMMG design works and though recoil may be reduced? I cant feel difference in mine the cmmg system allows me to run a 223/9 by just simply switch the uppers. The mag are swapped for ammo. Thats it.
I love my Vertex bag (it looks like dorky urban bag). I cut some high density foam (like the stuff you find in custom gun cases - it's kind of a rubbery "expanded foam.") And made the "gun compartment" like a dedicated "holster." (Basically a triangular wedge that fits the space between the magazine and barrel - it distributes the weight of my integrally suppressed Scorpion). - I've found that keeping the weight down to a reasonable everyday carry limit, is the hardest challenge (because of that, I only carry 3 35rd mags in a WWII inspired shoulder slung bandoleer. - like the one on the militaryarms channel.) - I've struggled with deciding if I'd rather carry something else - something capable of defeating IIIA, or if the functionality of being able to shoot without destroying my hearing is superior - If I had unlimited resources I would go for both: but that's not an option for me financially.). 🇺🇸
I'm actually really confused why he didn't pick that one or something similar. Instead it looks like he spent about $800 more just because he doesn't like the mild inconvenience of blowback.
@@withinmyscope Also confused why he would spend that much on a rifle that you cant keep a round chambered because its not drop safe +1 for the keltec sub 2000
Yep I had no idea! Love it. If you enjoy shooting steel, check out Windrock Park outdoor shooting range just outside of Knoxville. Im a member there and love it.
@@LuckyGunner A Pump Action Pistol Grip 12 Gauge Registered AOW is probably the most ideal backpack gun, and also probably would be the most favored by a Jury of 12. A Jury of 12 mostly likely wouldn’t balk and gawk at a 12 Gauge AOW, but they probably would balk and gawk about a Registered SBR AR.
An excellent, common sense discussion about this subject! While we all pray that we never have to use a firearm for protection, things happen that are out of our control. As a retired LEO who has been in that situation, we hope for the best but train, plan, and prepare for the worst. Great content and information. Please keep driving this type of information in your video. Thanks.
Aye. I don't care much for stock SUB2Ks without the M-CARBO upgrades, but this is exactly in that gun's wheelhouse. Same deal with Stribogs or EVOs with a brace. Everyone wants to be the first to spout HURR DURR THE PDW HAS SUPPLANTED THE PCC, but the keyboard warriors forget that part of the close protection role involves a mixture of crowd control and highly precise point shooting with a heavily populated background. You may need to snap off a quick, accurate shot into a threat that has innocent people around or behind them. And while your Tier One bearded OPERATORs can likely pull that off on any given day with an 8-inch 5.56, Johnny Jerkface most likely can't, no matter how many classes with obese "ex-cop" washout instructors he took. And all the training in the world won't stop a rifle round of any sort from overpen-ing a skinny target and hiting someone you didn't intend to hit. Thus, the humble 9/.40/.45 carbine-configuration "pistol" steps up to the plate.
@@Hanzer-ns5bh While I'm not anti PCC and in fact am probably one of the people who supports the concept more than most, it has been shown that 5.56 in a 16 inch barrel with proper ammo will penetrate less than 9mm with a 9 inch barrel. This of course is comparing 55gr FMJ vs 115gr FMJ. JHP loads change the game for both options as do specialty loads. One major difference though in favor of the PCC is finding JHP's that will reduce over penetration risks are much easier to find than they are for an 8 inch AR.
@@ironrangerw6r1 Honestly Kel-Tec products aren't that bad... Sub-2k's have had some of the best reputations with them for reliability, the KSG after some changes has been a great one, the SU series of rifles other than the well known fact you don't fire tons and tons and tons of rounds back to back they work reliably, they are light, and moderately accurate. The handguns is where they've got the worst rep it seems.
@@ironrangerw6r1 You have to remember two things when it comes to Kel Tec: 1) The company literally exists because the CEO wanted a gun company to facilitate his wacky gun ideas. They're cool first, and functional second. 2) Half the complaints are from impulse buyers who think a first-generation product (yes, even a gun) is completely 100% good-to-go out of the box. Kel Tec releases their Gen 1 guns as a sort of on-market beta test, then releases other gens as design improvements at the same price point (see Point 1).
I feel the same way about backpack guns as I do with guns in purses. If the bag is left unattended or gets stolen, you can get into a lot of trouble. I keep mine on my side. Just my 2 cents.
Saku19 it works great for me . I also have a lot of the mcarbo upgrades that really make the sub 2k shine . I have the metal trigger , trigger spring kit and the mcarbo optic mount with red dot . I just need the muzzle break one day
While it certainly merits discussion, I think the scope where having a backpack gun is both merited and legally defensible is pretty narrow. I’m glad you touched on this. I’ll stick with my pistol EDC and just do my best steer clear of trouble. *Edit: I live in a city where rioting and looting have been happening.
A jury will take one look at that thing and be like "psycho walking around with that" so the only time this is really viable to bring out would be if shit really hit the fan. These days I'm just carrying a couple of extra spare pistol mags in my every day gear and vehicle.
Vinc - I'd say an SBR is the worst option. 1 if you use it the cops will take it 2 pain in the A$$ to transport across state lines, and even some cities.
I would feel crazy walking around with my pdw daily. But definitely cool for a truck gun or something. And the pic on the cover looks nice! I'd keep it the same maybe put a sight with a little bigger window on it
I like that you put some disclaiers in the first half. I personally think that this idea is a no-solution to a non-existent scenario. It's still a cool setup tho
Best common sense video I’ve seen in a while. Cool gun too. The best self defense plan is to not be in a position or place you need to use self defense.
Firing into an angry mob will absolutely get you slandered as the bad guy in the press but the precedence has been established in court that if an angry mob is confronting you and your life is in immediate danger from one participant that you are allowed to treat the entire mob as the deadly threat- until there is no more threat.
The issue with the SBR route for some states is that it must be a "pistol" to conceal carry legally. But 100% agree about the caliber choice. using a pistol caliber in this format just means you get to shoulder a handgun essentially. 300blk and even 5.56mm would have plenty of benefits compared to 9mm in this package.
@Klive Bundy same here in PA. Only thing we can carry on the ready are "pistols" ...now there are pros to pistol caliber carbine. Cheap ammo, easier to shoot and limited over penetration.
@Michael Cabada There's a reason LEOs and licensed civilians are trained to never aim for the limbs, regardless of intent and situation. They're small targets and they are almost constantly in motion. It's way too easy to miss and risk hitting something else, either directly or via ricochet. It's also a "thinner" target, meaning overpenetration becomes a bigger risk. Even if you intend to sever the brachial, femoral, or iliac vessels, there's still a good chance the person survives and you're open to all sorts of legal issues for crippling the person. Aim center mass and fire until the threat is gone. Subsonic 300 BLK can penetrate most Level II and some Level IIIa armor. Even if you don't penetrate the armor, or if you're using a PCC, that's still a fair amount of concussive force being delivered through the armor. If a person is hopped up on enough adrenalin or narcotics that they don't mind broken ribs from repeated shots on their armor, chances are they'd be a big threat even without the armor.
Just wanted to say I like the level headed thoughts near the beginning , especially "If a long gun it's coming out of my bag, I've probably made some bad judgement calls before that point" (paraphrased)
The main benefit he said was hitting his target. For the cost Of that setup he would be way better off spending money on a reloading rig and range time. There is significant legal implications to having to use this carbine in a self defense situation. I think he’s doing a disservice suggesting this rig. A 9mm pistol with a excellent holster and plenty of range time would be a better option
I can only imagine the time it takes from Chris to choose every word he says... and then translate into this clean video. I just say... thanks. As always
I'm wondering, if you need to go to a bigger gun from a pistol, why would you use anything less than a rifle caliber? Why are you shooting a backpack gun in the car when a pistol can handle that situation? Why would you want a pistol caliber if you're carrying a backpack and are more worried about self defense? If you need it, and lawfully deploy it, a jury of non gun people will still look at your short rifle and treat it with the same attitude as a folded stock short 5.56. The fact that it's an sbr will also be some sort of scary buzz word to them. If you need a different gun with greater power or accuracy capabilities, get a Glock 40mos and put a red dot on top, tailor your ammo to be an upgrade from your cc pistol, and you can fit it in the smallest of packs or even concealed on your person. A rifle caliber or shotty is what you need if you think your cc handgun is insufficient, moving to a pistol caliber on a different platform doesn't make much sense to me.
I addressed this in detail at 16:45. A carbine offers a significant increase in fighting ability over a handgun even when caliber and ammo capacity are removed from the equation.
With a buffer tube that short, I would put a law tactical folder on it. 2 reasons it adds about 2 inches to the length of pull and when folded, you loose almost 7 inches of overall length. Just my thought.
Looks like a new job for my CZ Scorpion w/ SB folding brace. And, 20 round mag. On the other hand, seems like a 300 Blackout pistol would be made for this set up. More firepower and the ammo is made for short barrels.
I'm doing two backpack/truck/trunk guns myself; multicaliber AR pistols using the LEO Takedown. The default caliber for me is .300 BLK (when I can find the ammo) then down to .223 Rem/5.56mm NATO as a secondary caliber and ideally with a suppressor. My backback gun will be something that can function as a SBR. Current BATFE regulations allow cheek welding and shouldering of a braced pistol. Until this changes, I see little to no benefit to having a SBR over a braced pistol. There are videos of AR (braced) pistol vs. SBR. Not much of a difference in performance. You should go with an AR pistol because of the legal ramifications. You can take a pistol across State lines if you have a valid CCW honored in the State(s) your traveling through. You can also legally conceal an AR pistol. Many States extend lawful CCW to handguns only. A virgin stripped lower receiver or a pistol that was transferred to you as an *other* or "pistol" is legal to CC on our about your person in a backpack. It's *NOT* legal in many jurisdictions to conceal a SBR. This is the case in my home jursidiction of NV. My NV CFP (concealed firearms permit) only allows me to conceal a *handgun* not a *rifle*; your backpack gun is a SBR. If you were carrying your backpack gun in NV, you would be committing a crime. The only State off the top of my head that allows concealment of any firearm with their CCW is Utah. Their CFP (concealed firearms) permit is literally for any firearm. You could legally CCW a destructive device in Utah with a CCW they honor. I don't recommend doing that, but it is legal to do in Utah under their CCW statute. Go across the State line to NV, and it's handguns only. You're in TN, I've checked your CCW laws there, your CCW allows you to only carry concealed handguns. The legal issue is whether or not a cased rifle in condition three or cruiser carry (empty chamber, loaded magazine) is legal within your State. I'm erring on the side of caution of discouraging people in the States I'm familiar with to go with an AR pistol over a SBR especially if they have a valid CCW. An AR pistol will give you the same PDW functionality as a SBR and you don't have to deal with the BATFE permission slip to cross State lines with it. You need BATFE permission to take a SBR out of State which is what makes IMO a SBR a very bad idea. If you live in a border town such as Kansas City KS/MO or Portland OR which is along the OR/WA State line. Many WA residents work in OR and vice versa and have the regular daily work commute of crossing the Columbia River via I-5 or I-205. We all know how bad things are in Portland OR; it's regularly made the national news. You would be foolish not to have a backpack gun in Portland OR. This would be a major concern for anyone as they may regularly go across State lines to conduct your normal business. If I have to downgrade to 9x19mm which is what my handgun EDC is, I'm going to either be using the CMMG converted 9x19mm mags or the Stern Defense SIG P250/P320 mag well adapter. My EDC is a SIG P250 in 9x19mm. If I'm carrying a PDW that's the same caliber as my EDC handgun, I want magazine interchangeability with my handgun with my backpack/truck/trunk gun. There are 30 round SIG P250/P320 mags available from ETS. I haven't decided if I'm going to have a separate complete upper for 9x19mm or just the BCG and barrel and do a quick barrel change via the LEO Takedown. Whatever one decides to do, your primary objective if you're dealing with civil unrest and need your backpack gun, your priority should be getting out of Dodge and to safety. I agree with having large can or extinguisher of OC spray. I'm partial to Fox Labs products. Know the laws in your area. Your backpack gun being a SBR may very well be illegal for local, State or Federal reasons.
That bag is realistically lookin' a little too "tactical" IMHO. Diaper bag would be a good option if you've got a kid, or a straight up laptop bag. No sense looking conspicuous.
lol It's important to remember that sensationalism gets clicks. Even I get a little fired up watching some youtubers regarding their doomsday predictions. Then I go outside and take a walk at the local park and see civilization isn't even within a nautical mile of collapsing into armed civil war.
Ry Guy I hope you’re right. However, I don’t think a civil war at this time in history will look quite like “civilization collapsing into armed civil war”. I think it will look a lot more like specific citizens being targeted by state-level authorities with the help of social media companies and local police departments. And those who stand up will be labeled as extremist crazies by the media.
I swear that if I had Pool's address I'd send over to him a bunch of MAGA beanies! He ain't my favorite guy but at least he's terribly upset about all of the peaceful protesters setting fire to buildings and killing folks!
Suspecting a Civil War right now is super rational and if you’re not at least marginally prepared for there to be violence in your neighborhood, you haven’t been paying attention
Matthew Herr A civil war over what? How many people in total have protested? 5,000? 10,000? Out of 315 million? Yeah, I’m feeling pretty relaxed here in Chicago. :)
It sounds like we're talking about a firearm equivalent of a "get home bag". It's not meant to get you through the apocalypse (zombie or otherwise), but it's there for when the obstacles to your safely getting home are more severe than usual.
@@conman1395 I don't know if it's "unrealistic" as much as its "unlikely". It's not like violent mobs are things of fiction that don't happen in real life. But it's not as though they happen with any particular degree of regularity, either. So it's not like getting ready for hurricanes, earthquakes, blizzards or whatever kind of extreme weather may beset the areas where we live.
@@conman1395Given that the riots and how many (not all) protesters are willing to get violent with normal citizens trying to get home/on with their lives, I'd say it's not totally outside the relm of possibility.
I love the concept of this video, and would love to see it be a series! I've been debating the merits/cons of a backpack gun, and it seems like my thoughts on it are things you've taken into account for yourself, so I definitely would be in favor of seeing more content on this subject. Keep up the awesome work as always!
If youre going to the trouble of carrying a backpack gun thats pistol caliber at least make it ballistically more effective than you pistol. Aim for something like an 7-8” barrel otherwise youre basically carrying a heavier 2nd pistol (yes, 3rd point of contact makes it easier to get hits but the wounding is the same).... also make sure the ammo you load it with is effective at higher velocity. Most hollow points are designed to work at a certain velocity and higher velocities can cause them to do weird things and be less effective
Please stop with the immediate safety application after your predetermined shot count. In a real gunfight that habit will get you killed. Especially if there is more than one target or your three rounds don't stop the threat. Lose the safety when the gun comes up. Re-apply only when the fight is for sure over. Otherwise, keep your booger hook off the bang switch (in register) and scan for additional threats. Practice like you will fight.
Same. Put a sig red dot and a folding brace. Thing is super sweet to shoot. Eventually I'll upgrade the trigger and add bigger controls, but the stock trigger is pretty decent already.
Rifles are better than pistols because: 1. They have stocks so they're easier to aim and control while shooting 2. They are deadlier because of bigger caliber rounds and long barrels, sending bullets out at 2500 to 3000 fps which causes rapid tearing wound channels (Luckygunner made a video about this with Federal). If you're using a 5" inch barrel with 9mm rounds, aren't you getting the same ballistic performance as a pistol? Why not just use a glock with a folding stock at that point?
I train more often with an AR15 than any other platform. This gun would be much more familiar ergonomically than a pistol brace pistol and if I decided I was going to use it, my gear is set up for 5.56 so easy transistion there as well. If you train with a pistol more. I can see how a pistol brace for said pistol would be a smarter choice.
With a 5inch barrel you're going to get very bad performance with 5.56 due to severely diminished muzzle velocity(reliable fragmentation generally requires above 2700fps, 5 inches of barrel won't even get near that) anyway. So essentially you're probably getting worse performance with 5.56(not counting those custom loaded with fast-burning handgun powder which is a different can of worms) than you would with 5.7 at 5in. barrel; hence his choice of handgun rounds.
Well....He had to do the exact same thing here. One of the advantages (as he pointed out) to this setup is that he can use this one SBR lower for multiple chamberings.
Sounds good on paper, but anything that runs in a configuration other than that which it was designed will be prone to failure. Mossberg Shockwave is not designed to shoot 1.5" shells nor was it designed to operate with aftermarket parts built into it's guts. Not at all saying this isn't a viable setup, just saying be wary of malfunctions. 👍🏻🍻
So are you going to unload that thing every time you take it in and out of your car? at least here in PA you can't have a loaded rifle in your car (i'm pretty sure a lot of states are like that). you also can't take it across state lines without notifying the ATF which for me is a huge negative sense i live very close to other states. If you are in a situation where you are justified in pulling out a PDW to defend yourself i think you'll be just fine running a brace. I'd recommend a stribog or a cz scorpion with a folding brace. It will be a shorter package than what your running and with a longer barrel. I'd also recommend running a single point sling on such a small set up that way the sling swivel isn't in the way of where you put your hand. get one that can be converted to 2 point if needed.
Please go on your states website and research laws before posting misinformation you have read on forums. In PA, SBRs like this one have the same CCW rules as a handgun but please don't take my word for it, read the laws yourself as they are public record. No need to rely on youtube comments.
vwchris11 my bad. Didn’t realize pa allowed you to carry an sbr. But it doesn’t change the fact that it’s not as good of an option. Sbr you still have to pay $200, get it engraved, have to take a copy of paperwork everywhere, basically can’t take it across state lines, it’s registered, more complicated if youd ever want to sell it and puts you in potentially more legal trouble if it were stolen. Cons of a braced pistol it don’t have an actual stock. The only reasons to get an sbr is for aesthetic reasons or because it can have a brace put on it like a ps90.
I would like to see what the future holds for concepts like this. I'm still not on the PCC train, but with different, more powerful calibers in a similar compact package, I could be swayed.
You could already get the gun in this video chambered in 10mm (mags might be different). Personally, I'd go with a rifle caliber and a quick-detach/attach silencer to fix the broken eardrums problem. If I have time to take off my backpack and pull it out, I probably have time to stick on the silencer and give it a twist (takes about a second, I reckon). Then it's quieter and has much better ballistics. An alternative would be to go the route of a folding handguard and barrel system. Then you could have a longer barrel, perhaps even an integrally suppressed barrel, without increasing overall length in the backpack. Again, probably taking an extra second to deploy. But with a longer barrel, it's quieter and has better ballistics and you could use a standard stock and buffer tube to save money. An alternative for even smaller bags is to make a little cube-shaped AR pistol: folding brace, folding forend with shirt barrel, QD silencer. Overall length under 10". Or you could go even smaller with other PDWs. A PS90 wouldn't be a bad option and holds 50rds in the mag. Last stop in PDW land before you get to conventional handguns is something like the B&T TP9, which is small enough to be holstered on the body if necessary and certainly fits in most common bags people carry. It would fit in almost any backpack or satchel or purse. Some people could even conceal it well enough with a shoulder holster and a jacket. Works well with a QD silencer if desired, which could be kept in the bag alongside it.
@@Paelorian if you're going to be considering something like an SBR'd PS90, we may as well go all-out price wise and consider an SP5 that has been SBR'd, with an SP5K being the logical option if you're going as small as you can go.
I sort of agree, sort of disagree here. I like my Sig mcx virtus with folding brace but I think if ur gonna lug this shit around u might as well have the firepower advantage of a medium rifle round. And I know there’s a lot of dudes out there running this stuff down cuz these short barrels really give up a lot of energy for the space savings but still way more power than a handgun round fires from a handgun
And you're going to have a flashbang on your rifle without any ear/eye protection, not the best idea if you're in a bad situation and you need to be aware of what is near you. For this job .45 ACP could be a really good option if you need more power than 9mm
Wow! Just Wow! That was the most complete and well thought out information on the topic I have seen and I find it informative and very valuable! Thank you! The only point we differ is if things have devolved to the point I need or want more than my sidearm, I want something more than a 9mm. I already have a 9mm and now I want to make some noise and present myself has highly dangerous and someone they want to leave alone. So a rifle caliber for me. Nice work! More please!
There have been studies of firearms defense jury trials cases that show that juries tend to favor handguns, and shotguns, and tend to not favor rifles (Mini 14’s are more favored than ARs/AKs/etc which tend to not be favored).
I don't know the specifics of your situation, but consider these thoughts: - If you're defending a business, you'd likely be proactive and already have a long gun out anyway, and you'd want it to be a rifle and not a PCC. You would likely also be able to proactively put yourself in an advantageous position. - If you're in a city and rioting begins close to you, it's not like things change like a flash of light, there's buildup. If you have any awareness at all, you'll likely see tensions gradually build and you can get out of there. And if you're confronted on your way out of danger, what is the chance that your 5+ second back pack gun deployment is going to be a better option than just drawing your handgun or running? Very slim chance.
There are far too many drawbacks for this weapon that I believe makes this a pointless build. Cost is too high, You lose alot of ability to conceal. Much slower to draw when compared to a pistol. Its too situational. Its an NFA Item (which carries its own set of drawbacks OTHER than the $200 tax stamp). Its short barrel does it no favor compared to a pistol. A kel tec sub 2k is shorter and lighter when folded. And I know this will please some. They even make models that take glock mags O.O. Hell I think even a mares leg would be better. Practi-COOL is much better than Tacti-COOL any day of the week.
I think you can carry just an pistol, in the city you are not in the war. To have your bag fully with a gun, because it is small for a gun but for a bag it is big, i remain with the pistol, more acurate for a hand, more practical, smaller, same effect.
I've been putting one together for the past 8 months. Started with the idea of suppressing a 300 blackout in a compact size. I incorporated a Law Tactical Folding adapter into it, and achieved just over 19" when folded (including the blast forwarder) with a 7.5" barrel. When my can gets out of NFA jail It will add a claimed 2.9" to the length. With the blast forwarder being about that long itself and being removed, I expect an overall length increase of only 2 inches or so. Fits in a single strap sling bag that's marketed for pickleball. Full length side unzip, draw, unfold, rack, and it's ready.
I think it would be good to talk about the other guns you considered. Your gun setup seems pretty optimal but it’s rather expensive for the average person
Uncivil Discourse keltec sub 2000 if you’re on a budget. Definitely best bang for your buck. You can get a palmetto blowback setup for a good bit cheaper but you either need a dedicated 9mm lower or a block that goes in the mag well.
Geo metro 95 the sub 2000 is a good choice. I’d personally pick a Ruger PC Charger because it’s so compact. I’m a little hesitant on mag block adapter AR-9’s for self defense. They’re not known for being very reliable compared to dedicated lowers or the CMMG mag kits
Case in point K Rittenhouse case. Exactly the need for such a carry option. Crowd violence these days can come on very quickly. A Crowd sh1t show can turn really bad really fast. You don't carry it to look for trouble. You carry it because of the possibility of needing it. Being discreet is the best plan. The obvious issue is being able to deploy the weapon quickly.
If I were going to build a PDW, it would definitely be in a rifle caliber, likely 5.56. A big 9mm is still a 9mm. Yeah, a 5.56 will be louder, but the gun will almost certainly be fired outdoors.
@@glockpoppin 556 out of a 5" is 55 grains going just under 2000 fps. You won't get that out of 5" with a 22. Not saying its great but it's a good deal better than 22 and a good deal more recoil for a less power. Might get close to that from a pistol with ultra light bullets in +Ps.
@@str8.shooter533 I'm agreeing with the .300 blk. With a linear comp, it is fairly quiet to the shooter with subsonics. I also load 85gr solid copper that is close enough to a 5.56 as far as range and energy hitting roughly 2400ft/sec out of a 9.5 inch barrel. I also load 130 gr varmint bullet that that expands like a hollow point at 1800 ft/sec. I carry it in my truck with a spare mag of each. The versatility is the deciding factor for me.
I'm building a backpack gun now and looking at maybe adding the dolos to it to help with size. I understand I could just take the entire upper off but with a LAW adapter it isn't as easy.
if you are in a mob situation and fire bombs are being used on you and you have no escape route then you may have to use deadly force. Every situation is different.
This is a video for Chris to explain to his wife why he needed a new firearm.
Boom, roasted!
"I already had this lower" = not a new firearm :D
@@LuckyGunner^^^ and judging by this reply, we can see this isn't his first rodeo.
@@LuckyGunner nothing beats the Uzi Pro with a side folding stock.
@@jond5939 TP9
Guy that literally works for an ammo company: "My range ammo supply is low right now"
Everyone else: Wait, WHAT?!
@@ReptilianLepton Sir, this is Wendy's.
I walked into a Sportsman's Warehouse to see if they had a bore sight for a 9mm. Long story short i saw they had ammo. 200 rd boxes naturally got my juices flowing. I bought them before i realized the price. $150 after taxes. 70 cents a round is just to much. I'm keeping them but God bless Academy sports and Bass pro shops.. Shooters love you guys. $99.95 for the same ammo at Academy.
As opposed to the people who _figuratively_ work for an ammo company, people.
I'm an apartment dweller, and I might be evacuated from my building, so I just want a way to take one of my rifles with me while filing out with a large crowd of other people. That means a broken down 16" AR15 is entirely viable. Just pointing out the "backpack gun" concept has some realistic contexts.
Yeah, that makes sense. For your context, you could get away with a much bigger backpack/bag since you're not looking at a strictly EDC use case.
The concept of a backpack gun in regards to the context has been around for a long time. Think about a bug out bag... Most people live in urban environments and in situations like that they don't want it to be a massive obviously large gun bag. Overall, there are plenty of realistic scenarios I could imagine where it may be useful.
If you're looking at preparing for a SHTF bug out situation you could keep your rifle in standard long format and invest in a good sling and a loose body cover like a serape.
@@charlesrudd3886 With the serape you will need one of those little cigars. And lessons how to squint. and don't forget the jingling spurs.
@@Predalien195 at the same time, bug out bags have been criticized as a bogus way to think about stuff because a home base will always be far better than going around doing whatever in the woods. A "get home" bag with the objective of bringing you safely home where you have a normal size rifle is ways better, you just have to imagine "home" could be as foreign as a motel or your car (where you will have your vehicle bag).
If you're in trouble, your absolute first objective will always be to get away and to safety.
genuine question, If you are going somewhere that you believe you will need to deploy a long gun over an average carry pistol. Why the hell are you going there?
Sometimes job necessity. Picture this. I'm a mechanic. GM wants to send me to Atlanta, for training. It's summer, on an election year. Do I think I'm gonna need it? No. Am I going without it? Hell no. It ain't about what you anticipate. It's about what could happen, given what area you are going to. Even if I'm going to the beach, who's to say a mob ain't gonna shut down a highway and get violent? Sure, a pistol might be enough to deter and get away but what if it isn't? What if these idiots start shooting at people, who try to run them over or use pistols to defend themselves from the mob? I'd like to have a little more firepower, range, and magazine capacity. After summer of 2020, I don't know why everyone doesn't carry on their person AND carry a long gun in the vehicle.
@@654Crossman you live your life in fear. Not in preparation. Your self defense fantasy is a farce. Just like those tools that edc with spare 3 magazines.
I second quite a bit of what Crossman said. I live and work in areas that experience extreme weather, in an industry that sends me into heavily impacted areas. I've had co-workers tell me stories of years past where looters and generally desperate people have robbed them of supplies. While I admit a case of water, or a generator is not worth me taking a life to defend, there are those who may feel it's worth taking a life for in a disaster area.
Do you think anyone who get shot regardless of gun thought they were going to get shot? It’s about having the most effective thing for a worse case scenario, reason why people make nuke bunkers.
Valid question for sure. Situational awareness and avoidance is #1. For me personally I work across the country on oil rigs from Canada to the tx/NM/mx boarders and everywhere in between. During lockdowns it paid off because we ate alot of jack rabbit with food shortages in the areas. But we're gone for long durations. Driving there might have been 75 and sunny. But 14-28+ days later sometimes months .. things can deteriorate. During the summer of love I got around most of the bs. But there were some times where if things had gone south without it .. I wouldn't have gotten home to my kids
Remember, switching to your sidearm is always quicker than pulling out your backpack gun
My plan would be to use a high capacity handgun to buy me time to get to my truck gun….
Remember, even the worst rifle is better than the best pistol.
@@nemo5335 idk ab that one bro
@nemo5335 tell that to my boy in greenwood
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The only thing I learned in this video is that “switching to your sidearm is faster than reloading”
Captain Price was right all along
This is why I like drum magazines 😆
Watch those corners!
That's something a lot of people don't really train on, and try to become super speed reloaders and mess up during the process.
60 round PMAG drums are perfect for a backpack setup
@@B.V.Luminous " This is why I like drum magazines 😆 "
Too heavy and not reliable.
20 round ar mags are great for maneuverability. I have used them as my initial magazine quite a bit on vehicle crews while I was enlisted. Love em
They really do make a big difference in how the gun handles and how/where you can stash it. I wish they were more common.
@@LuckyGunner More common as in more used by people or more available? I see 20-round Lancers available all the time ( and have a couple myself ).
@Jaron More common as in more popular so as to demand more options from manufacturers. The 20-round PMAGs were somewhat problematic for a long time, for example. And still no windowed 20-rd PMAGs or 300 BLK-specific 20-rd PMAGs. Lancer mags are decent, but I hate how difficult they are to insert on a closed bolt, even when down-loaded by a couple of rounds.
@@LuckyGunner regarding the 20 rnd PMAG issues; are those issues for both the Gen2 and Gen3?
I have a few 20 round mags for this reason. For instance my AR won't fit in my ATV rifle rack with a 30 round mag but will with a 20.
"Just like everybody else my supply of range ammo is looking pretty sad these days" - Lucky Gunner Ammo, an online ammo seller in 2020. :(
I guess he's following the adage: "Don't get high on your own supply."
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Meaning I'm not going to burn up all my stock when I could be selling it to you people.
@@Matt_The_Hugenot What stock? I've been checking several times a day and they've had no 9mm, 45acp, 223 or 5.56. Crazy stuff.
@@j.t.4072 They've got stock as I type, though the crazy price stuff.
I personally take a Bazooka to the office. When people ask me about it, i simply tell them that it's my bong.
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I'll stick to my Shield for edc, but I did just build myself a 7.5" AR pistol which fits perfectly inside my Cannae duffle bag along with plenty of mags and my body armor. The entire bundle fits in the spare tire well in the back of my Jeep. I even have room in there for my tools and some food/water supplies.👍🏻🍻
My backpack gun: gently used CZ Scorpion that came with upgrades grip and safety lever, tailhook brace, and 6 mags for $750...😁
That's a screaming deal!
I have a standard cz evo, do they fit in a backpack?
Tom Mcfarland My Evo is SBR’d and its 16” when folded. I have a mess. bag that I carry it in along with mags and a SiCo Osprey suppressor.
@@tommcfarland5368 with the tailhook brace folded, it fits nicely in a backpack.
Damn lucky
You know things are getting bad when even the guy who works directly with an ammo retailer is having trouble getting ammo.
@Norse Woodman Point and laugh at the Chinese communist regime that went through great lengths to purge their own Imperial history.
@The league of whites theyll boil the non fresh water
4 years later… he aint wrong lol.
There is something to be said about "Show of Force". A PDW greatly increases that over a standard pistol.
Lawyer-up, because why wait for your free telephone call after any arrest ?
Retainer rates might be cheaper than your next search for a get out of jail card.
@@jcee2259Confused. Why do I need a lawyer for a legal weapon?
@@kylelever sorry bro but if you are confused then you got issues my man. Same thing with your show of force comment. As we have already seen that show of force makes others see you as a threat or opportunity. Just look what Kyle Rittenhouse went through because he was carrying a long gun. Lucky for him the rioters were incompetent or he'd be dead and the jury came out in his favor.
@@jcee2259literally had nothing to do with this comment wtf bro.
I remember as a child seeing the "corporals killing" on TV. It was when two soldiers in Northern Ireland took a wrong turn, and a mob quickly descended on them. They were both armed AND fired their weapons, but it took literally seconds for them to be dragged from the car and disarmed by the mob. Pretty scary situation.
I remember that.
@@painfulorwhat8872 sounds like the typical MI6 false flag... "took a wrong turn"? lol not likely.
Haiti welcomes any foreigner with cash to lose. At best a pre-paid departure flight
will allow boarding of anyone stripped naked by Haitians with nothing else to lose.
@@rickdeckard1075the irish are that deadly, I can assure you. One headbutt can kill, and my boys are the London Irish, not the Dublin business.
@@weareallbeingwatched4602 except they all work/ed for the Crown, paid by MI5/6 to terrorize their own people.
now theyre not even needed anymore, as the irish, british, etc citizens enact their own deathwish and let their freemason cops run muslim gangs that traffic their kids.
The likelihood of certain situations is remote, it's true. Yes, always avoid or evade as a first choice! I live in a nice middle to upper middle class neighborhood. Very quiet. Virtually no crime. No murders in a town on 40k in over 50 years. Last weekend, someone tried to forcibly enter a friend/neighbor's home in the middle of the day when they were home! Thankfully, they didn't gain entrance and were scared away when the inhabitants screamed through the door. The statistical likelihood of an incident like this is remote...but it does happen. I told my wife, "this is why I carry a gun all day everyday even when I'm at home".
And this is one main reason I keep coming back to this channel for your videos; you stay away from the alarmist, unrealistic doom & gloom hysteria of so many gun-related channels nowadays and make rational, logical points about not only firearm use but social interactions in general. Many thanks, your reasoned approach is very refreshing and much needed in these weird times.
One piece of advice that I’ve read that resonates with me is “don’t hang around to watch the show.” That is as true of a criminal attack on a third party as it is of a protest. If I see something that looks like it might go south, I GTFO immediately. The best way to win a fight is to not be there.
Two people involved in a domestic? Call the police and GTFO. Three police cars involved in a traffic stop? GTFO. Demonstrators protesting? GTFO. The local baseball team having a parade because they won the pennant? I read about the planned parade the day before and I’m long gone.
This, right here. Dead on.
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Come on, you apes! Do you wanta live forever!?
-Some soldier in 1918
Why not just go with a Sig MPX and skip the whole NFA nightmare. That’s what I would suggest.
$1500+ vs. $900 max?
@@SandstormGT Most of the pistol configs on Broker are going for north of $2,000 some with 2-4% CC surcharge too. Good guns but I'll stick with my own custom builds. Paying top dollar ain't an issue for me most of the time but I don't like throwing it away either.
Yep. Or an MP5K like I carry.
@@tacticaltruth6Actual Mr.Moneybags here 😂
Tactical Truth MP5 is old school!
My GHB/Backpack gun is an ATI 7.5-inch AR pistol with KAK Micro Blast Diverter and KAK Blade brace positioned fully forward. It measures right at 22-inches. Mags are 20rd Lancers.
I there are NOT very many scenarios where taking out your long gun from your backpack and putting rounds downrange instead of retreating that also couldn't be handled by your concealed pistol. This backpack gun trend screams of manufacturers inventing a new market segment.
My "backpack" firearm is my MP5K. It folds perfectly into my sling bag. The POU is when you need more sustained, accurate volumes of fire. It shares the same ammo as my side arm. HOWEVER, it is highly maneuverable, more accurate given 4 points of contact, holds more rounds (25-30), has a longer barrel (5.6 and 8.9) for better ballistics and longer sight radius and no significant felt recoil. Also, it uses a sling so you can go hands free and keep it ready without re-holstering. So if you really are getting into a prolonged/running gun battle this is a better option.
Maybe if you work private security for a PMC or maybe even bodyguard work for VIPs.
Truth! Especially when there are options already available for those few specialists that really need to have a more offensive capability on hand. Bodyguards, armor car guards and a few others. In the case of mob violence, situational awareness I’d much better than a bag gun.
Plenty of situation preclude retreating. If I’m with my family, or a large group of kids. Also, not sure if you’ve been staying aware, but violence is increasing. Slowly, sure, but still increasing.
Not sure its manufactures, i think its more enthusiasts who are just coming up with excuses/direction for new builds. Guys who have a Home defense AR, Truck gun, shtf rifle etc and are saying i want to setup a new gun and not just another 16” AR .... I havent really seen manufacturers pushing “backpack guns” per se.
Carson Daily looks really good. I didn’t know he was a rifle enthusiast.
THAT is FUNNY!!
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omg I was looking for this comment XD
You haven't seen a picture of Czar Nicholas II...could be family.
He's more of a shotgun dork, but he does look good for being so far out of MTV
Thank you for discussing today's climate with just facts and absolutely NO POLITICAL bull or scare tactics. That's why I watch your videos (and buy your ammo with expensive shipping ;).
Seriously? The whole premise of this is predicated on the politics of fear.
@@RabidMortal1 fear is an emotion and has been embedded in us for legitimate reasons. If you don't believe me, try crossing a highway without looking.
Says jury won’t like an ar or an ar pcc shows us his ar pcc... 🙄
Sorry once you go into nfa items.
The pistol backpack gun is no longer realistic for a lot of the people..
Yep, NFA items across some state lines is verboten, between to stay with pistols.
@@zedhiro6131 you can send in a paper and then you’re free to cross state lines
I hope CMMG makes adapter kits for the 20 round mags as well, I was thinking earlier in the video that the 30 round stuck out a bit far for the concept behind this rifle. Great video as always.
I cut one of my adapters down and put it in a 20rd pmag. Hundreds of rounds later and no malfunctions. only drawback is that it is a little more complicated to install. LOL I just got to the part that he did the same thing but I didn't melt it back together.
@Timeless Auto Works So you just hacked off the bottom and didn't bother with any of the internal floorplate and stuff? I was going to try that next, but wasn't sure if it would work.
@@LuckyGunner I was going to put the bottom plate back on like you did but could not think of a reason that it actually needed it. I understand why they put it on, its impossible to install wrong. With the bottom all loose I must be really careful to put everything in the correct spot. The mag also holds 21 rounds now but I only put 20 in.
Would love to see the other contenders for this project
Uzi Pro
The biggest issue when choosing a bag gun is barrel length and the time it takes to get a tax stamp. Without waiting the main options to keep it small are a pistol brace with all its compromises, a folder like the Sub 2000 though that's blowback, or a bullpup.
Personally I'd ditch the $1200 limit and no blowback limitation and get a PS90. Ideally SBR it and install a 10.4" barrel.
@@Matt_The_Hugenot I have tried various backpack guns over the years. So far the Uzi really fits the bill. And IWI has amazing customer service.
@@jond5939 IWI only does the Pro version with a 4.5" barrel now, an odd looking pistol to put it politely.
@@Matt_The_Hugenot looks aren't really important to me. It is even more simple than an AK47. Has enough customization to make it whatever you want. And is able to go anywhere a full size handgun can go.
It's a better sidearm than any pistol and able to be a decent mid range PDW that can go anywhere.
Backpack guns are an interesting concept. Seems pretty niche though. I agree it can do things easier than a Beretta 92. But I can actually CC my Beretta 92 (when the weather isn't so extremely hot). I think I'm likely to leave the backpack at home unless I feel I will actually need it. If I feel that way, I'm likely to stay home myself unless going out is extremely necessary.
Well I was in California when their cities went up in flames my PSA ar9 came in handle trust me
@@mitchellgolston2726 I have the AR-15 option for now.
Why is direct blowback one of the first things ruled out? This removes the majority of the options for this type of firearm right off the bat.
Personal preference.
DB is heavily out of favor lately for...no reason. 'Recoil' is cited mostly, while in the same sentence allowing it's among the most proven, rugged, reliable systems. Just gun-fad bandwagon bullshit.
@@eonsislept207 Mp5 really was first. A delayed blowback design that nooen else was able to follow. CMMG design works and though recoil may be reduced? I cant feel difference in mine the cmmg system allows me to run a 223/9 by just simply switch the uppers. The mag are swapped for ammo. Thats it.
As he mentioned earlier, weight. DB bolts are heavy by nature
Lighter bolt/carrier and buffer without getting the debris blowback. He kinda mentions it when talking about running a suppressor.
I love my Vertex bag (it looks like dorky urban bag). I cut some high density foam (like the stuff you find in custom gun cases - it's kind of a rubbery "expanded foam.") And made the "gun compartment" like a dedicated "holster."
(Basically a triangular wedge that fits the space between the magazine and barrel - it distributes the weight of my integrally suppressed Scorpion).
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I've found that keeping the weight down to a reasonable everyday carry limit, is the hardest challenge (because of that, I only carry 3 35rd mags in a WWII inspired shoulder slung bandoleer. - like the one on the militaryarms channel.)
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I've struggled with deciding if I'd rather carry something else - something capable of defeating IIIA, or if the functionality of being able to shoot without destroying my hearing is superior - If I had unlimited resources I would go for both: but that's not an option for me financially.).
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Sub 2000 chambered in 9mm with glock 17 mags has been my go to.
willy Jilly Great setup. Is it the one that folds in half?
@@magasaurus7210 yes sir!
Same here.
I'm actually really confused why he didn't pick that one or something similar. Instead it looks like he spent about $800 more just because he doesn't like the mild inconvenience of blowback.
@@withinmyscope Also confused why he would spend that much on a rifle that you cant keep a round chambered because its not drop safe
+1 for the keltec sub 2000
It's really cool to hear you're from Knoxville. I go to UT and I am always happy to see so many prominent pro 2A influencers in Tennessee!
Nice! Hey, neighbor!
Yep I had no idea! Love it. If you enjoy shooting steel, check out Windrock Park outdoor shooting range just outside of Knoxville. Im a member there and love it.
@@LuckyGunner I'm out in Murfreesboro! Ever been to Middle TN?
Nice to know I live down the road.
Keep voting for Kane.😁
@@LuckyGunner A Pump Action Pistol Grip 12 Gauge Registered AOW is probably the most ideal backpack gun, and also probably would be the most favored by a Jury of 12. A Jury of 12 mostly likely wouldn’t balk and gawk at a 12 Gauge AOW, but they probably would balk and gawk about a Registered SBR AR.
My backpack gun is cz scorpion micro. Love it.
Good choice. Do you use the magpul mags?
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz I have some of the magpul 35rnd mags they work great but I keep the 20rnd in the gun and 30-35roundeea for reloads
The real mission is cool adult toy. Be honest.
So a fleshlight?
I like how you’re actually rational and cover all bases in your reasoning and thinking.
An excellent, common sense discussion about this subject! While we all pray that we never have to use a firearm for protection, things happen that are out of our control. As a retired LEO who has been in that situation, we hope for the best but train, plan, and prepare for the worst. Great content and information. Please keep driving this type of information in your video. Thanks.
LAW Folder AR or MCX with a 6-8” barrel in .300 BLK
Or,
A SBR side folding AK in 7.62x39.
How about a Deadfoot arms MCS or SCW. On my 8.5” PSA 300blk, the scw4 makes it right at 21.5” OAL. Fits perfect in my Vertx gamut checkpoint.
Essentially what I said!!
yep 30 cal for short barrell
Honestly I'd just say something like a sub2k with Glock 17 mags
Aye. I don't care much for stock SUB2Ks without the M-CARBO upgrades, but this is exactly in that gun's wheelhouse. Same deal with Stribogs or EVOs with a brace. Everyone wants to be the first to spout HURR DURR THE PDW HAS SUPPLANTED THE PCC, but the keyboard warriors forget that part of the close protection role involves a mixture of crowd control and highly precise point shooting with a heavily populated background. You may need to snap off a quick, accurate shot into a threat that has innocent people around or behind them. And while your Tier One bearded OPERATORs can likely pull that off on any given day with an 8-inch 5.56, Johnny Jerkface most likely can't, no matter how many classes with obese "ex-cop" washout instructors he took. And all the training in the world won't stop a rifle round of any sort from overpen-ing a skinny target and hiting someone you didn't intend to hit. Thus, the humble 9/.40/.45 carbine-configuration "pistol" steps up to the plate.
@@Hanzer-ns5bh While I'm not anti PCC and in fact am probably one of the people who supports the concept more than most, it has been shown that 5.56 in a 16 inch barrel with proper ammo will penetrate less than 9mm with a 9 inch barrel. This of course is comparing 55gr FMJ vs 115gr FMJ. JHP loads change the game for both options as do specialty loads. One major difference though in favor of the PCC is finding JHP's that will reduce over penetration risks are much easier to find than they are for an 8 inch AR.
But then you would have to put a lot of faith into a Keltec product
@@ironrangerw6r1 Honestly Kel-Tec products aren't that bad... Sub-2k's have had some of the best reputations with them for reliability, the KSG after some changes has been a great one, the SU series of rifles other than the well known fact you don't fire tons and tons and tons of rounds back to back they work reliably, they are light, and moderately accurate. The handguns is where they've got the worst rep it seems.
@@ironrangerw6r1 You have to remember two things when it comes to Kel Tec:
1) The company literally exists because the CEO wanted a gun company to facilitate his wacky gun ideas. They're cool first, and functional second.
2) Half the complaints are from impulse buyers who think a first-generation product (yes, even a gun) is completely 100% good-to-go out of the box. Kel Tec releases their Gen 1 guns as a sort of on-market beta test, then releases other gens as design improvements at the same price point (see Point 1).
I feel the same way about backpack guns as I do with guns in purses. If the bag is left unattended or gets stolen, you can get into a lot of trouble. I keep mine on my side. Just my 2 cents.
In my county just having any insecure firearm
stolen has the scofflaw owner prosecuted.
Ditto, for show and tell, between children.
Don’t leave any firearm laying around. Agreed. But that’s not an argument against having a bag gun
Or you can just not live in a state that prosecutes you for being a victim of a crime
This all a justification to wear a " man purse..."
Kel-Tec Sub 2K w/ Glock 19 grip best combo with G19 or G26 one complements the other.
Amen
Is a Sub2K reliable enough though?
@@Saku19 yes blowback design is simple and reliable. Has a threaded barrel for more options.
Saku19 it works great for me . I also have a lot of the mcarbo upgrades that really make the sub 2k shine . I have the metal trigger , trigger spring kit and the mcarbo optic mount with red dot . I just need the muzzle break one day
@@DARTHDANSAN if you had to guess, how many rounds do you have through it?
While it certainly merits discussion, I think the scope where having a backpack gun is both merited and legally defensible is pretty narrow. I’m glad you touched on this. I’ll stick with my pistol EDC and just do my best steer clear of trouble.
*Edit: I live in a city where rioting and looting have been happening.
A jury will take one look at that thing and be like "psycho walking around with that" so the only time this is really viable to bring out would be if shit really hit the fan.
These days I'm just carrying a couple of extra spare pistol mags in my every day gear and vehicle.
Stay frosty
Vincent Langel Stay safe.
Vincent Langel amen to just staying out of trouble. When you have a hammer everything starts to look like a nail
Vinc - I'd say an SBR is the worst option. 1 if you use it the cops will take it
2 pain in the A$$ to transport across state lines, and even some cities.
This instructor is scary competent and looks like “NEEGAN.”
He has always produced excellent, level headed and informative videos.
Neegan mixed with Zac Efron lol
I would feel crazy walking around with my pdw daily. But definitely cool for a truck gun or something. And the pic on the cover looks nice! I'd keep it the same maybe put a sight with a little bigger window on it
I like that you put some disclaiers in the first half. I personally think that this idea is a no-solution to a non-existent scenario. It's still a cool setup tho
The people speak. 20rnd mags!
I want to see the others you tried bagging. Those 20s are great for bags.
This reminds me of those leather briefcases with a MP5 built into it or the Russian one with some kind of Russian SMG.
Ahh yes, the HK Operational Briefcase. There were also a MAC versions of it for the M10 and M11.
Best common sense video I’ve seen in a while. Cool gun too. The best self defense plan is to not be in a position or place you need to use self defense.
Firing into an angry mob will absolutely get you slandered as the bad guy in the press but the precedence has been established in court that if an angry mob is confronting you and your life is in immediate danger from one participant that you are allowed to treat the entire mob as the deadly threat- until there is no more threat.
Earned even more respect from me with this video! Keep it up
I'd still go the SBR or rifle caliber pistol route. Some of these agitators are well armed and wearing armor.
300 blackout is great with shorter barrels
The issue with the SBR route for some states is that it must be a "pistol" to conceal carry legally.
But 100% agree about the caliber choice. using a pistol caliber in this format just means you get to shoulder a handgun essentially. 300blk and even 5.56mm would have plenty of benefits compared to 9mm in this package.
@Klive Bundy same here in PA. Only thing we can carry on the ready are "pistols" ...now there are pros to pistol caliber carbine. Cheap ammo, easier to shoot and limited over penetration.
@Michael Cabada There's a reason LEOs and licensed civilians are trained to never aim for the limbs, regardless of intent and situation. They're small targets and they are almost constantly in motion. It's way too easy to miss and risk hitting something else, either directly or via ricochet. It's also a "thinner" target, meaning overpenetration becomes a bigger risk. Even if you intend to sever the brachial, femoral, or iliac vessels, there's still a good chance the person survives and you're open to all sorts of legal issues for crippling the person.
Aim center mass and fire until the threat is gone. Subsonic 300 BLK can penetrate most Level II and some Level IIIa armor. Even if you don't penetrate the armor, or if you're using a PCC, that's still a fair amount of concussive force being delivered through the armor. If a person is hopped up on enough adrenalin or narcotics that they don't mind broken ribs from repeated shots on their armor, chances are they'd be a big threat even without the armor.
@@azurezerox8392 correct, also less ATF knowledge the better. Forget suppressing these too.
10.5” AR-15,556 broken down fits perfectly in my 3day bag,3 30 rnd magizines go well with it.takes a few seconds to reassemble load and be ready
Just prepare to go deaf if you ever have to fire it
@@Darkpara1 ,lol! Already half deaf anyway. It’s not an issue when fighting for your life!
Just wanted to say I like the level headed thoughts near the beginning , especially "If a long gun it's coming out of my bag, I've probably made some bad judgement calls before that point" (paraphrased)
The main benefit he said was hitting his target. For the cost
Of that setup he would be way better off spending money on a reloading rig and range time. There is significant legal implications to having to use this carbine in a self defense situation. I think he’s doing a disservice suggesting this rig. A 9mm pistol with a excellent holster and plenty of range time would be a better option
yea,,,, this is weird there is no doubt.
I can only imagine the time it takes from Chris to choose every word he says... and then translate into this clean video. I just say... thanks. As always
Yeah... He's very well spoken, articulate, and logical. Good channel
Lucky Gunner? Didn’t they used to sell ammo?
LMAO
We're selling more now than we have in a long time
Lucky Gunner Ammo Ha ha ha yeah I noticed
When they had ammo, yeah.
I'm wondering, if you need to go to a bigger gun from a pistol, why would you use anything less than a rifle caliber? Why are you shooting a backpack gun in the car when a pistol can handle that situation? Why would you want a pistol caliber if you're carrying a backpack and are more worried about self defense? If you need it, and lawfully deploy it, a jury of non gun people will still look at your short rifle and treat it with the same attitude as a folded stock short 5.56. The fact that it's an sbr will also be some sort of scary buzz word to them. If you need a different gun with greater power or accuracy capabilities, get a Glock 40mos and put a red dot on top, tailor your ammo to be an upgrade from your cc pistol, and you can fit it in the smallest of packs or even concealed on your person. A rifle caliber or shotty is what you need if you think your cc handgun is insufficient, moving to a pistol caliber on a different platform doesn't make much sense to me.
I addressed this in detail at 16:45. A carbine offers a significant increase in fighting ability over a handgun even when caliber and ammo capacity are removed from the equation.
With a buffer tube that short, I would put a law tactical folder on it. 2 reasons it adds about 2 inches to the length of pull and when folded, you loose almost 7 inches of overall length. Just my thought.
me: "thank you"
kid at chickfila: doesn't say my pleasure
*ight time to get the glizzy*
Looks like a new job for my CZ Scorpion w/ SB folding brace. And, 20 round mag. On the other hand, seems like a 300 Blackout pistol would be made for this set up. More firepower and the ammo is made for short barrels.
If its registered already, why not put a vfg on it. Ergonomically that might be better than useing the handgaurd.
Lol I carry an under folder wasr 10 in my backpack when hiking
I'm doing two backpack/truck/trunk guns myself; multicaliber AR pistols using the LEO Takedown. The default caliber for me is .300 BLK (when I can find the ammo) then down to .223 Rem/5.56mm NATO as a secondary caliber and ideally with a suppressor. My backback gun will be something that can function as a SBR. Current BATFE regulations allow cheek welding and shouldering of a braced pistol. Until this changes, I see little to no benefit to having a SBR over a braced pistol. There are videos of AR (braced) pistol vs. SBR. Not much of a difference in performance.
You should go with an AR pistol because of the legal ramifications. You can take a pistol across State lines if you have a valid CCW honored in the State(s) your traveling through. You can also legally conceal an AR pistol. Many States extend lawful CCW to handguns only. A virgin stripped lower receiver or a pistol that was transferred to you as an *other* or "pistol" is legal to CC on our about your person in a backpack. It's *NOT* legal in many jurisdictions to conceal a SBR. This is the case in my home jursidiction of NV. My NV CFP (concealed firearms permit) only allows me to conceal a *handgun* not a *rifle*; your backpack gun is a SBR. If you were carrying your backpack gun in NV, you would be committing a crime. The only State off the top of my head that allows concealment of any firearm with their CCW is Utah. Their CFP (concealed firearms) permit is literally for any firearm. You could legally CCW a destructive device in Utah with a CCW they honor. I don't recommend doing that, but it is legal to do in Utah under their CCW statute. Go across the State line to NV, and it's handguns only. You're in TN, I've checked your CCW laws there, your CCW allows you to only carry concealed handguns. The legal issue is whether or not a cased rifle in condition three or cruiser carry (empty chamber, loaded magazine) is legal within your State.
I'm erring on the side of caution of discouraging people in the States I'm familiar with to go with an AR pistol over a SBR especially if they have a valid CCW. An AR pistol will give you the same PDW functionality as a SBR and you don't have to deal with the BATFE permission slip to cross State lines with it.
You need BATFE permission to take a SBR out of State which is what makes IMO a SBR a very bad idea. If you live in a border town such as Kansas City KS/MO or Portland OR which is along the OR/WA State line. Many WA residents work in OR and vice versa and have the regular daily work commute of crossing the Columbia River via I-5 or I-205. We all know how bad things are in Portland OR; it's regularly made the national news. You would be foolish not to have a backpack gun in Portland OR. This would be a major concern for anyone as they may regularly go across State lines to conduct your normal business.
If I have to downgrade to 9x19mm which is what my handgun EDC is, I'm going to either be using the CMMG converted 9x19mm mags or the Stern Defense SIG P250/P320 mag well adapter. My EDC is a SIG P250 in 9x19mm. If I'm carrying a PDW that's the same caliber as my EDC handgun, I want magazine interchangeability with my handgun with my backpack/truck/trunk gun. There are 30 round SIG P250/P320 mags available from ETS.
I haven't decided if I'm going to have a separate complete upper for 9x19mm or just the BCG and barrel and do a quick barrel change via the LEO Takedown.
Whatever one decides to do, your primary objective if you're dealing with civil unrest and need your backpack gun, your priority should be getting out of Dodge and to safety. I agree with having large can or extinguisher of OC spray. I'm partial to Fox Labs products.
Know the laws in your area. Your backpack gun being a SBR may very well be illegal for local, State or Federal reasons.
That bag is realistically lookin' a little too "tactical" IMHO. Diaper bag would be a good option if you've got a kid, or a straight up laptop bag. No sense looking conspicuous.
Maybe an old camera bag can work, too. Don't walk around with the polos or "jogging boots" that scream that you're carrying.
I love how rational this dude is. lol Meanwhile, Tim Poole is like, “CIVIL WAR EEEAARRGGHHH” haha
lol It's important to remember that sensationalism gets clicks. Even I get a little fired up watching some youtubers regarding their doomsday predictions. Then I go outside and take a walk at the local park and see civilization isn't even within a nautical mile of collapsing into armed civil war.
Ry Guy I hope you’re right. However, I don’t think a civil war at this time in history will look quite like “civilization collapsing into armed civil war”. I think it will look a lot more like specific citizens being targeted by state-level authorities with the help of social media companies and local police departments. And those who stand up will be labeled as extremist crazies by the media.
I swear that if I had Pool's address I'd send over to him a bunch of MAGA beanies! He ain't my favorite guy but at least he's terribly upset about all of the peaceful protesters setting fire to buildings and killing folks!
Suspecting a Civil War right now is super rational and if you’re not at least marginally prepared for there to be violence in your neighborhood, you haven’t been paying attention
Matthew Herr A civil war over what?
How many people in total have protested? 5,000? 10,000? Out of 315 million?
Yeah, I’m feeling pretty relaxed here in Chicago. :)
It sounds like we're talking about a firearm equivalent of a "get home bag". It's not meant to get you through the apocalypse (zombie or otherwise), but it's there for when the obstacles to your safely getting home are more severe than usual.
So, an incredibly unrealistic scenario that most people don't carry the bag for anyway?
@@conman1395 I don't know if it's "unrealistic" as much as its "unlikely". It's not like violent mobs are things of fiction that don't happen in real life.
But it's not as though they happen with any particular degree of regularity, either. So it's not like getting ready for hurricanes, earthquakes, blizzards or whatever kind of extreme weather may beset the areas where we live.
@@conman1395Given that the riots and how many (not all) protesters are willing to get violent with normal citizens trying to get home/on with their lives, I'd say it's not totally outside the relm of possibility.
I love the concept of this video, and would love to see it be a series! I've been debating the merits/cons of a backpack gun, and it seems like my thoughts on it are things you've taken into account for yourself, so I definitely would be in favor of seeing more content on this subject. Keep up the awesome work as always!
If youre going to the trouble of carrying a backpack gun thats pistol caliber at least make it ballistically more effective than you pistol. Aim for something like an 7-8” barrel otherwise youre basically carrying a heavier 2nd pistol (yes, 3rd point of contact makes it easier to get hits but the wounding is the same).... also make sure the ammo you load it with is effective at higher velocity. Most hollow points are designed to work at a certain velocity and higher velocities can cause them to do weird things and be less effective
Even though I can't play the guitar, I regularly carry a guitar case 😎
Beware bro, guitars are expensive and people have been known to swipe them.
Please stop with the immediate safety application after your predetermined shot count. In a real gunfight that habit will get you killed. Especially if there is more than one target or your three rounds don't stop the threat. Lose the safety when the gun comes up. Re-apply only when the fight is for sure over. Otherwise, keep your booger hook off the bang switch (in register) and scan for additional threats. Practice like you will fight.
Got a Ruger PC Charger for this purpose and love it!
Dude that thing looks badass especially for the price! I'm glad to hear you like it.
What do you use for Red dot and light?
Keith Miller right now just a cheep red dot and a olight I already had. Will upgrade down the road.
megatron184 yeah it’s a great gun for the money!
Same. Put a sig red dot and a folding brace. Thing is super sweet to shoot. Eventually I'll upgrade the trigger and add bigger controls, but the stock trigger is pretty decent already.
Rifles are better than pistols because:
1. They have stocks so they're easier to aim and control while shooting
2. They are deadlier because of bigger caliber rounds and long barrels, sending bullets out at 2500 to 3000 fps which causes rapid tearing wound channels (Luckygunner made a video about this with Federal).
If you're using a 5" inch barrel with 9mm rounds, aren't you getting the same ballistic performance as a pistol? Why not just use a glock with a folding stock at that point?
I train more often with an AR15 than any other platform. This gun would be much more familiar ergonomically than a pistol brace pistol and if I decided I was going to use it, my gear is set up for 5.56 so easy transistion there as well.
If you train with a pistol more. I can see how a pistol brace for said pistol would be a smarter choice.
totalsextacy I’m with you, this looks like the most inconvenient Glock ever lol
I’ll stick to my Pistol and holster, with an SBR nearby
With a 5inch barrel you're going to get very bad performance with 5.56 due to severely diminished muzzle velocity(reliable fragmentation generally requires above 2700fps, 5 inches of barrel won't even get near that) anyway.
So essentially you're probably getting worse performance with 5.56(not counting those custom loaded with fast-burning handgun powder which is a different can of worms) than you would with 5.7 at 5in. barrel; hence his choice of handgun rounds.
A glock with a stock is illegal unless you file all the paper work and pay a tax
Well....He had to do the exact same thing here. One of the advantages (as he pointed out) to this setup is that he can use this one SBR lower for multiple chamberings.
Mossberg Shockwave. (12 Ga.) Opsol Mini Clip. (2.0) Aguila mini buckshot.
Sounds good on paper, but anything that runs in a configuration other than that which it was designed will be prone to failure. Mossberg Shockwave is not designed to shoot 1.5" shells nor was it designed to operate with aftermarket parts built into it's guts. Not at all saying this isn't a viable setup, just saying be wary of malfunctions. 👍🏻🍻
@@budgetguncinema7777, Those lil slug, sure are fun!
@@stevenkennedy4130 yuppers! 👍🏻🍻
I agree guts for a 20 round Pmag would be nice👍
O.K. now your just making up fantasy scenarios where breaking this out of a back pack casually looks kick ass...highly unlikely!
So are you going to unload that thing every time you take it in and out of your car? at least here in PA you can't have a loaded rifle in your car (i'm pretty sure a lot of states are like that). you also can't take it across state lines without notifying the ATF which for me is a huge negative sense i live very close to other states. If you are in a situation where you are justified in pulling out a PDW to defend yourself i think you'll be just fine running a brace. I'd recommend a stribog or a cz scorpion with a folding brace. It will be a shorter package than what your running and with a longer barrel. I'd also recommend running a single point sling on such a small set up that way the sling swivel isn't in the way of where you put your hand. get one that can be converted to 2 point if needed.
Please go on your states website and research laws before posting misinformation you have read on forums. In PA, SBRs like this one have the same CCW rules as a handgun but please don't take my word for it, read the laws yourself as they are public record. No need to rely on youtube comments.
vwchris11 my bad. Didn’t realize pa allowed you to carry an sbr. But it doesn’t change the fact that it’s not as good of an option. Sbr you still have to pay $200, get it engraved, have to take a copy of paperwork everywhere, basically can’t take it across state lines, it’s registered, more complicated if youd ever want to sell it and puts you in potentially more legal trouble if it were stolen. Cons of a braced pistol it don’t have an actual stock. The only reasons to get an sbr is for aesthetic reasons or because it can have a brace put on it like a ps90.
I would like to see what the future holds for concepts like this. I'm still not on the PCC train, but with different, more powerful calibers in a similar compact package, I could be swayed.
You could already get the gun in this video chambered in 10mm (mags might be different). Personally, I'd go with a rifle caliber and a quick-detach/attach silencer to fix the broken eardrums problem. If I have time to take off my backpack and pull it out, I probably have time to stick on the silencer and give it a twist (takes about a second, I reckon). Then it's quieter and has much better ballistics. An alternative would be to go the route of a folding handguard and barrel system. Then you could have a longer barrel, perhaps even an integrally suppressed barrel, without increasing overall length in the backpack. Again, probably taking an extra second to deploy. But with a longer barrel, it's quieter and has better ballistics and you could use a standard stock and buffer tube to save money.
An alternative for even smaller bags is to make a little cube-shaped AR pistol: folding brace, folding forend with shirt barrel, QD silencer. Overall length under 10".
Or you could go even smaller with other PDWs. A PS90 wouldn't be a bad option and holds 50rds in the mag. Last stop in PDW land before you get to conventional handguns is something like the B&T TP9, which is small enough to be holstered on the body if necessary and certainly fits in most common bags people carry. It would fit in almost any backpack or satchel or purse. Some people could even conceal it well enough with a shoulder holster and a jacket. Works well with a QD silencer if desired, which could be kept in the bag alongside it.
@@Paelorian if you're going to be considering something like an SBR'd PS90, we may as well go all-out price wise and consider an SP5 that has been SBR'd, with an SP5K being the logical option if you're going as small as you can go.
I’ll bet a law tactical folder would make that stock setup the perfect length of pull. Plus you could get the gun even shorter if needed.
Im not a lawyer but I wouldn't want to be a defendant in a court case for self defense with an NFA/SBR item.
Carrying a long gun got Kyle out of a pickle and right into another but he is alive. Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
I sort of agree, sort of disagree here. I like my
Sig mcx virtus with folding brace but I think if ur gonna lug this shit around u might as well have the firepower advantage of a medium rifle round. And I know there’s a lot of dudes out there running this stuff down cuz these short barrels really give up a lot of energy for the space savings but still way more power than a handgun round fires from a handgun
👍 agree.
A 4" barrel is a 4" barrel. The round doesn't know if it's coming from a pistol or a PDW.
And you're going to have a flashbang on your rifle without any ear/eye protection, not the best idea if you're in a bad situation and you need to be aware of what is near you. For this job .45 ACP could be a really good option if you need more power than 9mm
Wow! Just Wow! That was the most complete and well thought out information on the topic I have seen and I find it informative and very valuable! Thank you! The only point we differ is if things have devolved to the point I need or want more than my sidearm, I want something more than a 9mm. I already have a 9mm and now I want to make some noise and present myself has highly dangerous and someone they want to leave alone. So a rifle caliber for me. Nice work! More please!
Why is Lucky Gunner website ammo prices so high? Even before the pandemic.
They’re not
@@FatMenace They are
Why are you asking here?
There have been studies of firearms defense jury trials cases that show that juries tend to favor handguns, and shotguns, and tend to not favor rifles (Mini 14’s are more favored than ARs/AKs/etc which tend to not be favored).
Lets be real theres no real need for a backpack rifle, we just love to LARP and try to rationalize it.
Change my mind.
I'd strongly suggest a pistol mag variant so you can use the same mags as with your pistol otherwise you'll just carry a lot of mags unnecessarily.
I've never considered carrying a bag gun but in light of recent events. Having a small compact high capacity "pdw" is looking better.
Do it now while you can !!! Get sub 2000 in Glock 9mm
I don't know the specifics of your situation, but consider these thoughts:
- If you're defending a business, you'd likely be proactive and already have a long gun out anyway, and you'd want it to be a rifle and not a PCC.
You would likely also be able to proactively put yourself in an advantageous position.
- If you're in a city and rioting begins close to you, it's not like things change like a flash of light, there's buildup. If you have any awareness at all, you'll likely see tensions gradually build and you can get out of there. And if you're confronted on your way out of danger, what is the chance that your 5+ second back pack gun deployment is going to be a better option than just drawing your handgun or running? Very slim chance.
Ammo: We'll just go online to place an order, annnnnd, it's gone. (South Park reference)
lol
It's at lucky gunner $65 box for 9mm
There are far too many drawbacks for this weapon that I believe makes this a pointless build. Cost is too high, You lose alot of ability to conceal. Much slower to draw when compared to a pistol. Its too situational. Its an NFA Item (which carries its own set of drawbacks OTHER than the $200 tax stamp). Its short barrel does it no favor compared to a pistol.
A kel tec sub 2k is shorter and lighter when folded. And I know this will please some. They even make models that take glock mags O.O. Hell I think even a mares leg would be better.
Practi-COOL is much better than Tacti-COOL any day of the week.
I think you can carry just an pistol, in the city you are not in the war. To have your bag fully with a gun, because it is small for a gun but for a bag it is big, i remain with the pistol, more acurate for a hand, more practical, smaller, same effect.
Chris, I’ve said it before- you’re knocking it out of the park, here.
Great job.
I've been putting one together for the past 8 months. Started with the idea of suppressing a 300 blackout in a compact size.
I incorporated a Law Tactical Folding adapter into it, and achieved just over 19" when folded (including the blast forwarder) with a 7.5" barrel. When my can gets out of NFA jail It will add a claimed 2.9" to the length. With the blast forwarder being about that long itself and being removed, I expect an overall length increase of only 2 inches or so. Fits in a single strap sling bag that's marketed for pickleball. Full length side unzip, draw, unfold, rack, and it's ready.
I think it would be good to talk about the other guns you considered. Your gun setup seems pretty optimal but it’s rather expensive for the average person
Uncivil Discourse keltec sub 2000 if you’re on a budget. Definitely best bang for your buck. You can get a palmetto blowback setup for a good bit cheaper but you either need a dedicated 9mm lower or a block that goes in the mag well.
Geo metro 95 the sub 2000 is a good choice. I’d personally pick a Ruger PC Charger because it’s so compact. I’m a little hesitant on mag block adapter AR-9’s for self defense. They’re not known for being very reliable compared to dedicated lowers or the CMMG mag kits
Folding buffer tube for an Extar pistol would be about as cheap as you can get for being that compact.
We want more follow ups on this series...
Case in point K Rittenhouse case. Exactly the need for such a carry option. Crowd violence these days can come on very quickly.
A Crowd sh1t show can turn really bad really fast. You don't carry it to look for trouble. You carry it because of the possibility of needing it. Being discreet is the best plan. The obvious issue is being able to deploy the weapon quickly.
10:00 minute mark is what you’re looking for!
Yes, I would be interested in seeing other backpack gun configurations that you may have.
If I were going to build a PDW, it would definitely be in a rifle caliber, likely 5.56. A big 9mm is still a 9mm. Yeah, a 5.56 will be louder, but the gun will almost certainly be fired outdoors.
Except for cost of ammo (which really only applies to training) I agree, these Pistol cal carbines effectiveness is why 300blk was created.
5.56 out of a 5in barrel is pretty much useless. Might as well use a 22lr.
@@glockpoppin 556 out of a 5" is 55 grains going just under 2000 fps. You won't get that out of 5" with a 22. Not saying its great but it's a good deal better than 22 and a good deal more recoil for a less power. Might get close to that from a pistol with ultra light bullets in +Ps.
10.3" 5.56 with a law folder does the job well
@@str8.shooter533 I'm agreeing with the .300 blk. With a linear comp, it is fairly quiet to the shooter with subsonics.
I also load 85gr solid copper that is close enough to a 5.56 as far as range and energy hitting roughly 2400ft/sec out of a 9.5 inch barrel. I also load 130 gr varmint bullet that that expands like a hollow point at 1800 ft/sec.
I carry it in my truck with a spare mag of each.
The versatility is the deciding factor for me.
I'm building a backpack gun now and looking at maybe adding the dolos to it to help with size. I understand I could just take the entire upper off but with a LAW adapter it isn't as easy.
if you are in a mob situation and fire bombs are being used on you and you have no escape route then you may have to use deadly force. Every situation is different.