What Causes Orange Peel? - How To Fix or Prevent Orange Peel Paint
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So... What Causes Orange Peel?
Hopefully, you've already watched the video above. If not, I'll try my best to quote it below...
There are 3 main reasons or a combination of the three that will give you orange peel effect in your fresh paint job or, you may already have it on your stock car paint job.
1. Your Ambient Temperature.
Which means the temperature in the room that your spraying your project in ...also the temp of your panel.
2. Your Spray Gun Settings / Spraying PSI
When painting, you must have the proper gun settings, gun flow and spraying psi set. Hint... Wide open fluid flow, wide open and back 1/4 turn fan width and when spraying base coat clear coat paints or enamel you want to spray between 26psi - 30psi.
3. Your Paint, Material Mixture
Which includes your reducer temp, your clear coat activator/hardener temp. When spraying single stage enamels the same apply with reducer and activators. You need to make sure that you are using the correct additives when painting in certain temperatures.
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It's funny I'm 71 and still restoring like crazy, it's like therapy! Thanks for all the tips.
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I dont usually comment, but from someone who used to do occasional painting many years back and just wanted a reminder of techniques, these videos are top notch, very to the point, concise, and most importantly accurate, and even better, your speaking technique is right on with your painting technique, thanks so much for taking the time, I hope you do well with your ebooks.
Thanks bro!
I'm 56yo and from Australia, love to restore....but too old for that..should have done it in my teens, BUT !!! no internet then....so you young bucks....get into it, There will always be auto-mobiles......and plenty of enthusiasts out there.....
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57yo is not old.
A spray gun is not heavy.
Anton Keys its still young mate, you should be into your second childhood by now, its great fun, you get the gifts you want rather than need! All the best!
Still young. 54 spray full time.
I am just learning 1st time, turned 61 today, still feel like 21
Yes I know this... lol. As you see I am NOT a scholar hahaha!
How can we relate viscosity and atomisation psi
That means that you still need to buff it out with compound. Take a look at my blog, I have videos on color-sanding and buffing...
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lol... there goes my college degree... oops!
Activators are either temp OR speed related. A low temp activator is a fast activator, high temp is slow.
Solvents evaporate faster in high temperatures, so you would need to use a slower activator so it doesn't dry too quickly.
Gun setups (tip size/PSI) and flash times are unique to the clearcoat you are using. Always refer to the technical data sheet for the specific product.
Correct, Spraying distance is also a factor!
You could color sand and buff it, be careful and use a 2000 grit paper wet sand with a block. I actually guide you on how to do this (the correct way) within the VIP community we have over at: learnautobodyandpaint(.)com
wait wait... I thought you wanted fast reducer in cold, and slow reducer in the heat. Medium was... well medium. Hence lower temperatures slow down flash off, and hotter speeds it up. So if you want to flow out in the heat... you use a slow flash reducer... right?
Yes!
I'm an idiot, I have no idea what's going on ....
lol
ambient
Great Job clear to point help me out on a DIY job doing right now thanks ....
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You can color sand and buff if it's a SOLID color... I've never really had problems with orange peel in enamels because I tend to lay it on thick and glossy. They say if you color sand metallics you have a chance of blotching and clouding the paint.
NP! did you visit the site to learn more? learnautobodyandpaint(.com)
I think you meant to write "ambient temperature", my friend. Other than that, great video! Keep it up!
Nope, it will just bring it out more...
You can use a primer sealer. It does both.
You didn't define "cold" or "warm" days. 65 F, 70F? 75F? What is cold? It means different things to people in Texas or Minnesota.
Excellent video Tony.....Thank you
6-10" depending on what kind of painting you are doing, blending, candy or basic etc...
its much easier to be orange peal free by proper gun set up . Adjusting air pressure and your fluid tip rate . takes some practice to lay it flat but it sure beats color sanding a buffing . Just an FYI
Lay it thinner. Lay less paint.
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Tech Bible......young but from a Master. Talk to a friend, in the bus. bout ur lighting. Wil lift ur game, audience reaction & following. Bless ur Day from down-under, Aus.
This should apply for plastics and rubbers, right?
If you color sand the base coat with like 1500 grit or 2000 Grit paper before clear coating would that minimize orange peel
Johnny! I have in-depth info on that in VIP! Check it out: www.learnautobodyandpaint.com/vip-offer/
I have had problems with running, watching you I believe my air pressure is to low, going to increase my air and reduce the flow with a wide pattern, so tired of sanding I can't believe it.
Looks like you no what your talking about keep it up brother .
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At point 3:34, you said "in a hot environment you want a low temp reducer". I think you meant "slow DRY" reducer, not "low temp" reducer (big difference). Most companies I've bought paint supplies from have slow medium and fast dry reducers to choose from depending on the temp you're spraying in. If you're shop is colder, use a fast dry so it doesn't run, if medium temp, use regular reducer and if it's fairly warm inside your shop, you want a slow dry reducer so the paint doesn't dry too fast and flows properly.
One comment I heard that helped put everything you mention into proper perspective was "after everything else is correct-- conditions, gun settings, paint mixed, loaded and ready to spray-- the painter is performing a constant dance between orange peel from being too cautious and runs and sags from being too aggressive. A good flowing paint job gets the balance, the dance, just right." The analogy is apt, considering that when you're painting it almost is a dance of sorts... smooth, deliberate, relaxed, precise. You almost have to make early mistakes in the dance in order to know when it feels right. Painting yielding minimal orange peel or runs is an art as much as a science. Everybody gets good at it with practice. Don't be afraid to make early mistakes. They'll fix easily enough. It's fun when you get it right eventually.
I would use a medium reducer.
Great informative video, The Nob heads on here saying "Bullshit" quite frankly haven't got a clue ....... Keep up the good work.
Any suggestions for orange peel on polished headlights. I get orange peel after using kbs coating diamond clear coat from a can. Temperature was around 8celsius cold outside.
Tony, just working through your old videos and amazed that you have spent so much time helping us all. thanks mate.
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great video man, appreciate the effort you put in
Yes of course!
This was very helpful tutorial, thank you very much!
It's good to have You here!
Thank you for this! I want to repaint over an orange peeled factory paint job. What kind of spray gun works the best? I have an old DeVillbiss bottom feeder which has worked pretty well in the past, but would like to try a new gun. Thanks!
I'm watching this video in 2020. Are you still in the business Tony? I hope your a millionaire by now! These were and are great videos and a great help to us that like to DIY this stuff. I wish you great success and happiness!
😂 thanks bud!
Re painting my DC2 for my first paint job! I'm sanding down primer going to lay down the aqua metallic base with some ZTE color shift pearls from dip your car.
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yes of course.
Ambient
No Crap! lol
Hi ! If i flattened out the clearcoat and resand it to add clearcoat,what number is the sand paper? 600? 800? or 1500?
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It could be because of your dry time. You may need to warm up your garage a little. This is base coat correct?
I know LOL!
Concise and to the point, thanks...
thanks tony, your presentation was excellent.
Thank you!
So why is it that every car from my $20k Civic, to my $40k 4runner, to my friends $90k Benz, all have orange peel. It seems like every new car these days have this issue.
Yup! That's correct. I did mention that in one of my videos that even new cars get orange peel. Hey don't forget to grab your FREE manual if you still haven't: learnautobodyandpaint.com/free-autobody-manual
Make it wooden with the help of the woodglut instructions.
Wouldn’t it include too much flow for the pressure.
Many thanks....Excellent Presentation....👌
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Would you recommend spray max 2k on a ice hockey goalie mask? I normally take my mask to an auto body shop, but want to try it myself. Heard good things about spray max. I will clear in my garage which is warm. I have a pop up spray booth tent with filter and fan. Any tips or recommendations? Thx buddy
Hi tony was looking to know can I flat and buff single stage paint or 2k
Thanks again Toni for the straight up explanation.
So learned for one so young ! 😉
Thanks man!
thanks for the free 85 page auto body manual
tony when wet sanding your clear, how do you know if you went to far or deep and broke through to base coat. Ive recently had a bad experience when i shot my base then i cleared and let set for 48 hours so i could tape on it. so when i was scuffing the clear with 1000 wet i think i went do deep in some spots because when i sprayed my pearl/intercoat it wrinkled bad. any tips?
Because you'll see primers or your colour and the sand colour changes
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Just painted my first motorcycle tank and I have a little orange peel in the paint. Not much, but will putting a clear coat over the paint help get rid of it... or can I sand the paint with 2000 and smooth it out a little before putting the clear coat?
Hey Man! Just make sure to sand with 800 grit instead of 1000 or 2000. If you’re going to repaint the whole panel, just get it down with 800 grit and put two heavy coats of single stage. After that, If you are looking to buff, then you can start with 1200 grit up to 2500 grit if it’s a light color, 2500 to 3000 if it’s a darker color then buff it out. That is only advisable if you’re buffing. You can check more tips on orange peel here www.learnautobodyandpaint.com/?s=orange+peel
also you have to block sand all your primer, and spray medium wet coats so that the clear lays down flatter.
of course...
I notice I keep getting orange peel with this wanda clear coat. Tds says 3-4 bar. Would that be correct to spray?
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Tony is a good teacher
I think you ment slow not low ...
But I take a look at the sight...
Tony, what if you have orange peel in your primer ? I know you can sand it down...buy cause? the same?
i put top coating on my light sport aircraft ALSO TOO MUCH ORANGE PEEL ~ TOO MUCH RIVET ... CAN YOU HELP ME ?
Thank you Tony. I just spent $1400 on a paint job that I am very unhappy with and I cannot identify the issues in order to combat. I will make a little video and upload it to me youtube. Can you please help me to identify what the problems were?
LOL! Clicked off right after I saw him write down "ambiant".
Yup that’s what happens when you can’t spell. I must’ve learned how to spell that 100 times by now just from the comments in this video. thank you for the awesome comment by the way😎
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To achieve the air pressure correctly, we can adjust the air pressure control gauge and reading the number on it.
To achieve the width spread correctly, we can adjust the spreader adjustment valve and measure how width it is (by inch or cm).
To achieve the correct distance between gun and the surfave, we can measure it (by inch or cm).
But how to achieve the correct fluid debit or velocity?
What is the best indication / direction in adjusting the fluid control and how to know if the volume of the fluid's spray is right and properly? (whether is too much or too little?)
Choose Activator based on Ambient Temp, or surrounding temperature. Do not choose Activator based on the size of the object!
PSI per gun or the clear itself requires the proper tip size. Clears are all different based on Viscosity of the product. Some guns / settings ,prefer some guns over others.Match the gun to the clear your spraying. Once you get the proper sweet spot, all you have to do is focus on arm speed and distance. The gun should do the work.
Fast=Cold, Medium=70-80 Slow=90+ Fast means that it will kick without the ambient temp or to get it dry uber fast in warm temps. Medium is the temp you wanna shoot and Slow is when the temp is too high and you need it to dry slower because the paint can even start drying before it actually flows out. Tony got that mixed up.
Thanks you are great man
Thanks for your support! Really appreciate it!
Hey tony have a question..
Unfortunately I paint a door the painting occurred to me what kind of sandpaper should I use to sand it, can i do a little more clear when I finish sanding the orange peel. Or should I just buffer...
Or any of your tutorial that you can recommend me to check it out.
Thank you man...
I start painting just for hobby but now people it's being checking my work and I start getting work to do...
Thank you man..for your tutorials...
I heard "Hey, what's up? It's Tony from "Learn all about eating paint dot com"" :)
Thanks Tony, I just opened my own shop and your videos are very helpful in a pinch.
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Can do and That's correct. Base water, clear solvent. On a side note not sure it's necessarily temps had it a high as 74. I'm leaning on gun settings but ill knock it up a few more and give it a shot....sure does get hot in that mask lol
With 28 psi you want to avoid orange peel???
Sounds like orange peel all over!!!
Please,give some advice on how to fix pin holes.I work in Saudi Arabia and the humidity is very high in our area.aThank you in advance.
I think I put to little clear coat on my car can I wet sand with 1500grit and then add a second coat of clear? (Fyi: I painted the clear a week ago)
Air pressure can range from 29-34 depending on Gun and Tip size. You need a gauge to be constant, raising or lowing bye 2.3 psi can make a difference.
love your vids Braddah, I'm from the big island but live in Phoenix now, its cold like 60s but for a single stage paint job, is urethane better than acrylic enamel? and should I wait till it gets warmer for a med reducer?
Thanks so much Tony. This video helped me graduate to spraying some serious Clear Coat. Sprayer pressure and settings are crucial. This last coat was my best and will hardly need any cut and buff. Just be careful not to over spray and get runs. I'm still working on that. Might be a little too much volume.
None of these are relevant to rattle canning ... if you have a proper gun your gonna be a proper painter therefore would already know this
A nice gun and a good set of skills on painting is a great combination. However, some still do not know about orange peel.
Hey Tony I bought a single stage acrylic enamel. One it was cheap and two it saves me from putting clear coat on can you do a video on best tips for single stage enamel. It looks pretty good but I'm getting orange peel and I can wet sand and buff because the color is metallic electric blue
What is color sand. Why are the processes with paint and Clear coat mixed together. Sand the Color then Clear and sand that to if needed?
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You can only get so much out of a cheap gun. Invest in a good gun. Iwata or Sata. You will be amazed how well they lay clear out compared to cheaper guns.
oh yes.. meant to pay my respects to your video...very well done...just an idea *(i would recommend you have your wife write out your board ...for better penmanship ..hahaaa....have the issues you are planning to address written out in advance ...makes your video go smoother)*. your video was extremely helpful ..glad you took the time to share your knowledge of the orange peel issue. thanks.
Hey tony I'm going to paint my dads 79trans am and I did all body work and all ,next I'm shooting primer would you recommend sealer ? I spray sealer at school but its kuz were getting trained like that but I'm on a budget so you think it's worth it going straight to base?
Booth Air Flow Speed. has a lot to do with flash times. In one booth you may have to wait 5min in another with the same product you may have to write closer to ten. Touch your tape to truly indicate how its setting up. I find its best to go a little early with Low VOC clears. Im in Canada so I don’t know about National Rule clears anymore.
Slow reducer and activator not low.
I need help. I got orange peel and wet sanded with 1500 grit. I buffed and polished but i got a hazy dull shine. What do i have to do? The color was a metallic paint
Thanks Tony I’m having bad orange peel using turbine system hvlp haven’t found solution yet
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