How GOOD was White Kyurem ACTUALLY? - History of White Kyurem in Competitive Pokemon
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White Kyurem is today’s Pokemon for our competitive history series! Join False Swipe Gaming in this overview of White Kyurem in competitive Pokemon!
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You know damn well that if the Gen 5 legendaries were made today Turboblaze and Terravolt would not only have been Mold Breaker clones like today but would also have gifted a 50% boost to Fire and Electric moves respectively
Would have made both Kyurem fusions that much more potent with triple STAB
He's out of line but he's goddamn right
I really wish they would still implement this. Mold breaker + additional stab would be insane
I think maybe not as Dusk mane and dawn wings still had prism armor
That's honestly what they should do.
@@andrewwojtas8486 They mostly started becoming really really creative with abilities in Gen 8 and most especially Gen 9.
I like how in the competitive scene, Zekrom was much better than Reshiram, but when Kyurem fused with both of them, their viabilities ended up being flipped.
Except, Kyurem Black isn't stuck in OU BL until Gen 8. Kyurem White did thanks to Powercreep after Gen 5.
@@shadowtitanx3962 Because Kyurem Black was busy being a box legendary hanging out in OU
Kyurem black at the time had no STAB moves good enough to make it powerful in Ubers. When it got icicle spear in Gen 8, it justified to being Ubers cause of how well it’s used. If there were more physical ice/dragon moves available, then it COULD see more usage.
Kyurem white on the other hand has Draco meteor, Fusion flare, AND freeze-Dry, three powerful moves that take advantage of its high special attack and type coverage.
Exact same thing with Solgaleo and Lunala. Lunala is better than Solgaleo in every way, Dusk Mane Necrozma is gaming, Dawn Wings Necrozma is laming
@@grunkleg.3110 I wonder when we will get Ultra Necrozma again
I have the thought every time SM Ubers is talked about, it's just "this mon is outclassed by Necrozma Dusk Mane" or "Necrozma Dusk Mane walls it"
Dusk mane is when ferro and pex had a baby
Let's keep the Kyurem saga going!
Regular Kyurem, next week?
I hope so. I miss the days of Regular Kyurem being in RU and UU. Regular Kyurem went through an anime arc for it to be Ubers.
@@Rodolphin Heroe's redemption arc be like:
I feel like Kyurem has an interesting story, would love it.
@@Rodolphin
Bro got freeze dry and dragon danced his way to Ubers
@@rossthemoss6827 He was tired of receiving chilly reception, so he freeze dried everyone and called it a day.
Last week, I talked about the Black Kyurem Sprite, but this one might be even better. Look at that flame generator pulsing with fire and then feeding back into the main body. This one looks a lot more noble than black, Almost like Reshiram's nature is keeping Kyurem from hunching over like a monster. God I love these old sprites and how much character they give off.
these videos really make it apparent that sword/shield DOES look way better than the previous games. At least concerning the pokemon
Gen 5 has the best spritework in the series. My favorite is B2W2 Ghetsis. His rage is palpable.
@@Gnarfledarf his battle animation even played into the overworld.
@@nikraa77How so? The 3D models look so lifeless when compared directly to the Gen 5 sprites. Unless you mean model to model, which isn't true as they used the same models as before.
@@Rascal1214 it's just that the screen + some bits of the game kinda made the models pixelated.
now GF has the game in HD, so they can have the models look as good as they do rn.
Kyurem white in my opinion is one of the best designed pokemon out there. The colors blend well together, and red flames stand out amazingly. Its also really cool how kyurem's appearance can change so drastically by just revealing its fangs.
Interesting to hear someone say this, cause at the time the kyurem fused designs were hated. People said they looked too much like yu gi oh monsters and that the designs were going downhill lol.
Even with the “generator butt” as Jwittz put it?
@@gabrielg5130 But they do kinda look like Yugioh monsters...
@@tdawgmaster1729 Like really cool yu gi oh monsters and that's a good thing.
I do love the color blend
That was quick
It's weird how there is such a lore for Zekrom, Kyurem and Reshiram and the anime touched none of it.
The Black and White anime had a notoriously troubled production, hence them barely using Team Plasma at all and rushing the job when they did get to it.
@@teddyhaines6613 yeah, that probably explains lots of things.....
I think it has something to do with the earthquake that happened in Japan in 2011.
@@MisterGenesis64AK Idk They said that had to do with the Team Plasma vs Team Rocket story arc we were gonna get which makes no sense just ofc don’t show Earthquakes 😭 JUST HAVE A POKEMON USE IT INSTEAD
They were most likely saving it, I'd assume now they're gonna retouch on it in either a Legends Kyurem game, a third instalment of the Black and White series or a potential Gen 5 remake with added story since they'd have to cover both Black and White and Black and White 2 somehow.
I remember always seeing this fused mon all the time on the White 2 title screen, and I really wanted it. Even though I think Black’s design might be a little cooler nowadays even if White’s looks a little more natural (I say as they are anything but natural), the idea of an Ice type using Fire type moves is super interesting to me
Aside from Galarian Darumaka and Darmanitan, and I agree too.
@@IgnitedQuils yeah, but those looked goofy as hell
@@MidoriOfTheShuinsen That's what makes them cool
Smogon's Kyurem White analysis is still one of the best analysis they have ever created.
If anyone’s wondering what the analysis is:
"Once upon a time, there lived a sad third brother named Kyurem. Day and night, it would be humiliated by its brothers Reshiram and Zekrom, the rest of the dragon tribe of the OU metagame, and millions of Pokemon trainers around the globe. The abuse was so horrific that the poor thing descended into UU, the land of mediocre Arcanine and Milotic. It prayed to Arceus, asking for respite from its constant torment. With the release of Black and White 2, the God of Pokemon answered its prayer. While the poor third brother remains neglected, it has gained a new forme with the most overpowering and spammable attacking stats ever. With base 170 Special Attack, it now has the most powerful Draco Meteor in the game to take advantage of, and its Ice-type STAB, which used to be the butt of many jokes, can smite the many walls in the Uber tier that are weak to Ice. It does have its downsides, however. Kyurem-W is quite poor defensively with its Ice typing, as it is weak to all forms of entry hazards while being rather lacking in the resistances department. This doesn't detract from its awesome attacking stats all that much, though. The ugly duckling of the Tao Trio has not returned as a beautiful swan, but as the sacker of cities and destroyer of worlds. The Pokemon world can now tremble in utter terror; because its name is White Kyurem, it rhymes with endurin', which is what its victims can't do as it skewers 'em!"
@@zb778 Gorgeous
@@zb778 Damn. And here I thought the only Pokémon to get these big lore paragraphs in the analysis were the worst of the worst, like Spinda.
@@zb778 lol love it man this was awesome.
Thats been there since 2012 Im sure lol
Maybe we can get incomplete Kyurem instead of waiting for years like the wait between Reshiram and Zekrom and these two.
Hoping the next Pokemon Legends game will touch on this 🙏
Its only been over a year since Zekrom and Reshiram tho
Kyurem is literally incomplete Kyurem lmao
@@TheBlueArmageddon no it’s been 23 months
@@Magic_Ice thats technically over a year
Unpopular opinion, turboblaze/teravolt should grant the pokemon with the ability a stab in fire/electric type, rather than just a fancy mold breaker.
Agreed
or be able to ignore the alola's legendairies abilties , while normal moldbreaker still wouldnt be able to.
I agree
I would rather a combination of tinted lens + mold breaker. It's basically canon that Resh and Zek wield plasma, which is in the 11k-14.5k°F temperature. No type should "resist" their Fire and Electric moves.
The old games crashed if a Pokémon had three STABs. Now it should be changed to that. In fact in gen7 they introduced Steelworker on Dhelmise
Let’s hope one day game freak finally have the balls to make the original Kyurem form with both Reshiram and zekrom fused together if A Pokémon Legends Kyurem does get Greenlit.
Lol
How can you not love the concept of sheer raw power
Seeing Weavile outclassing Kyurem white is just hilarious and sad at the same time
My boy got shafted in gen 9
And given Loaded Dice exists, both Kyurem forms have base 100 moves now at least that are Ice STAB.
Weavile, I guess, was always going to be gutted and they needed a reason.
I prefer Kyurem Black, but I'm glad we got both vids in such a short time frame, just like before. I really like the new vids, about concepts, eras, etc., but nothing beats the 'How Good Was Actually' 🙂!
Also, I really love HOME's sprites, so I hope the Kyurem's ain't a one time thing!
Actually has a really strong niche with its ability to start to start a counterpoint, and with the current argument meta, actually has been one of the most used words recently. So I’d say it was pretty good.
Gotta love the crazy power levels of Gen 5.
Some would say love; some would say hate lol.
@@flyforce16 In terms of OU : yes, perfectly understandable
When it comes to BW Ubers : no, only love, it's one of the most widely loved tiers ever and is a gem to play
@@sephikong8323 Yeah that's a good point. Gen 5 Ubers was fun; I was thinking about OU, you're right.
I like the idea of the original dragon having 170 in both attacks. So this would meant that even a "fusion" between 3 dragons can't even reach mega rayquaza stats
Black and white remake are next and if trends are apparent every remake has a new form for a box legendary so we might actually see that oh dragon
@@nguyentandung42 This would be the first time redoing a gen that had a sequel already in it, I wonder how they will do it, ignore b&w2 or do some combo of them? Perhaps it will be instead be a third version called Grey.
@@Firesnake905or black and white 3-
Original Kyurem incoming
@@ArdillaAlemana If all 3 of them are gunna fuse, than all 3 should be in the same game at once. Also, based on black and white kyurem stat difference from base, it would have about 740 bst if all 3 fuse if they keep the pattern going
Just realized fsg did Reshiram first, then Zekhrom. Now they did reverse order which mirrors how we order the gen 5 games. Pokemon black(Reshiram), white(Zekhrom), black 2(Kyurem-B) white 2(Kyurem-W)
Kyurem black/white animated sprites were so cool. Showing that it pulls energy from Zekrom’s/Reshiram’s engine like tails. The 3D models kind of lost their flare without that detail.
FSG fans trying not to be salty about the 3D models on the comment section (they can't):
@@torterra1826 You sound much more salty than them. Theyre just stating the obvious
@@Breakaway-ic5gjWhich one is beating the dead horse here?
See the problem now? Since it’s the salty guy who keeps beating the dead horse and not the guy who points it out.
You’re more salty than them if it took you to make a reply like this. Don’t project.
@tAzrael That's dumb. The guy I replied to said that outta nowhere randomly, that makes him more salty. I happen to be agreeing with the majority here judging by the likes, in this particular reply section atleast. So that clearly means I'm less salty. Or maybe I'm salty what of it, it's better than becoming complacent like you with a crappier product. It's not a dead horse till the models beat the gen 5 sprites. Also u replied yourself
The Gen 5 sprite for Kyurem-White with the red is SO COOL. I get that the later design technically fits the color combination of Kyurem and Rehsiram as better…but man I like the original so much
Taking a look at the newest legendaries of the recent generation and then looking back at these old gods is simply laughable. If power creep continues like this, you shall be able to see Mewtwo in UU very soon.
nah most of them are still too good for OU. Even Darkrai, which got nerfed to hell and back in recent gens, has never been seriously considered for testing and the idea gets shot down every time it comes up.
I wish we could see this nameless dragon black & white keeps talking about hopefully one day
I’m hoping to see more Gen5 love in the future! The analysis on scolioses and excadrill are my favorite videos of yours.
I feel like I am one of the few people who likes the design of Kyurem's and, by extension, Necrozma's forms. While Black Kyurem didn't start in Ubers, White Kyurem was wrecking havoc in its debut generation. It's funny how White Kyurem got worse at time went on due to power creep while its counterpart was seeing some improvements in OU until eventually joining the other in Ubers.
Black kyurem was initially banned to ubers and was controversially lowered to OU
And now both suck in Ubers, like Ice types are wont to do.
I visited Worlds during Generation 8, and it had a really powerful set that was sadly really exploitable - it used bulldoze to trigger weakness policy on a partner, and it would then dynamax and throw out incredibly powerful max quakes and hailstorms. That stab combo would let it survive hits, and take out Zacian and the aforementioned bulky flying types. It was really incredible to watch in action, shame that it underperformed so badly - they had it playing on the big screen!
the two players using it in day 1 made it through to day 2. it performed decent for the small usage
i love kyurem hopefully complete dragon one day
I hope someday there is a Pokémon Legends: Kyurem
Thank you for mentioning me! 🔥
I appreciate it!
"Though nowhere was it better and more iconic then the place it got its start; Gen5 Ubers, where Draco Meteor was always the right option"
I could hear Kevin reading that line
It's funny when you think about it but zekrom is objectively better than reshiram in competitive but black kyurem is worse than white kyurem respectively.
After all these years.. *it’s been two kyurem videos but we still haven’t gotten the original kyurem*
I’m pretty sure it’s next considering these two forms were analyzed consecutively.
@@IgnitedQuils I honestly thought they'd do all the kyurem forms in a video
great video as always, thanks!
Ooh we gonna get all three Kyruems by the end of this?
"The coolest legendary" is both an statement and a good pun for Kyurem White
Kyurem White looks gorgeous in Gen 8, It's so shiny!
Kinda hate how they got rid of the red accents from the gen 5 sprite in later games
A video on ultra necrozma would be cool even though it was only in one game
I want a Pokémon Legends Kyurem set in the future where we finally see the Legend's end and Kyurem finally becomes the Original Dragon
HUGE if, but if Kyurem ever gets added to Scarlet and Violet, it's going to devastate the game. Snow being a better hail, Terrastalizing, and a comfortable lack of Fairies, I think even Xerneas and Zacian would need to be a little worried.
Let’s finish up the Kyurem train. How good was Regular Kyurem next week.
I want to reiterate
I think that these 3 pokemon would make DOPE model figures
Construct them, make them real posable, you can mi and match them into the different forms
I think it'd be probably the coolest adult pokemon toy ever released
"Adult Pokémon toy"
😏
@@meh3629 they did a horrible phrasing indeed.
I dunno man, the tail would be pretty painful when inserted
Havent watched yet but I NEED to say:
I loved Kyurem W in series 11 and 12 (worlds format) for SwSh. Dynamax and dynamic speed change tailwind made him an absolute savage. You could easily run away with a game in 4 turns using just Kyurem and Whimsicott. Not even the meta defining Zacian could survive a life orb Max Quake via Earth power. What a king!!!
Kyurem White in Gen 9 bout to go crazy with snow
I think we need a XERNEAS video just as a reminder of how OP it was!
Seeing the HOME renders in place of the animated models feels cursed.
We also need the Rotom Appliances and Bronzong.2 Sinnoh Pokemon from which the latter was supposed to be covered approximately 2 years ago but somehow didn't and has never been mentioned ever since.
Rotom would take an hour at least
Kyurem was one of those pokemon that I also LOVED and the forms make them even better
I remember using a gimmick duo on Showdown of Specs Blizzard Kyurem-White and Prankster Gravity Sableye. Was pretty murderous when it worked.
that sounds like a war crime
@@sleepysnooze9587 i dont really remember much about it, this was back in Gen 6. I do remember that I used a Life Orb Deo-A (which really doesnt sound right for doubles), but thats all I can remember about the team. No doubt itd probably be stronger today, perhaps combined with Tera Ice.
And with that, we are one step closer to the Xerneas special
That'll be a 30 minute episode
"Geomancy"
LESGOOOOOO double kyurem back to back!
I think it would have been cool to choose what type the kyurem form would have when combined like fire/dragon, ice/dragon, fire/ice, electric/dragon, electric/ice
You forgot to make subs available. Anyway, always neat to get a good way to put the unfinished third dragon to good use either way, but am wanting to see some incarnation of the original dragon the Tao trio split off from. Would anyone else wanna see that happen?
thank you for another video!
Hopefully we can see more cool stuff like this in the future
icy what you did there
Kyurem-W has great design, I like it!
14:26 the player himself
I find it extremely funny that these two videos came out as I was finishing up the main story of Black 2 and White 2.
Reshiram is my favourite of the 2 legendary dragons, and I like its fusion with kyurem too, I think the white parts of reshiram go well with kyurem’s look
*Wenoochoimasama
"Proceds to die from one fairy attack"
That dragon ice combo was very nice
I remember when you first started a few years ago. I been following for that long and I am happy to continue to support your channel throughout the years.
In the words of N: "I never knew that Pokemon could fuse together"
Magneton: Am I a joke to you?
Says the guy who's name is the first letter of Necrozma
We also need a history of Kyurem (base form, not B or W form) in competitive.
15:25 Wow, haven’t heard that catchphrase in a while.
Kyurem White was in White 2, the games had a box legend swap from BW to BW2.
So glad that one of my favorite legendaries is so powerful!
I finally got my first wish. Now I’m not gonna stop asking for Cresselia
Considering the stat nerfs it got in Gen 9, I hope they wait a bit before doing it as I'm curious to see how it fares now.
13:20 I will never get enough hearing zacian was ban
That broken sword wielding dogo caused so much trouble and pain
Despite it not being Fire type, Kyurem White ends up being more nuclear than Reshiram. And alongside Zekrom, Kyurem White remains to be the only select few who can bring down Lugia from full health, with Multiscale intact, as Turboblaze bypasses the ability.
I pray we get a gengar remake video
Kyurem black outclassing White in Gen 8 is pretty funny.
A video I would love to see is pokemon banned from OU that might surprise you such as wynaut or gen 3 cacnea and cacturn
No way two videos on Kyurem in a row
Good fking timing for a fsg video, this Will Be a gud week
White Kyurem is the goat
Doesn’t really have much to do with the vid, but I had it on the background while shiny hunting Cetoddle, and found it right at the end :)
Darn was hoping I'd be in this one since I got top 8 with kyuremW in 2016 Anaheim regionals along with someone who got 2nd there with it
1:18 yo, that first anime there, the one that's not in English, how charming
B&W are up next.. Terra will be really interesting
Kyurem White has always been my favourite version of Kyurem, I got White 2 When it came out just because of it, and I got Black because of Reshiram
For me White 2 was my first ever pokemon game and its holds so much nostalgia and is one of the best in the series too which i had no idea at that time.
Seeing Espeon in ubers makes me happy
What would happen if Kyurem fused with both Reshiram AND Zekrom to return as Kyurem Complete form
Great vid
Even though Kyurem fused with both Reshiram and Zekrom, Gamefreak still keeps the main question and biggest mystery of all time..
What did Kyurem originally look like before the split?
I commented this on the Kyu B video but I’d like if turboblaze and teravolt gained an effect like steelworker where it basically gives a STAB boost to fire/electric moves respectively, feels fitting to power up fusion flare and fusion bolt, along with buffing Zekrom and Reshiram, it would probably be broken but I feel like Ubers should be broken (pls give dialga and palkia real hidden abilities)
Kyurem White Is the best Pokémon ever... One shooting Palkia with Freeze Dry was sublime
I'm still eagerly waiting for how good was sylveon actually, since they're the only eeveelution that wasn't done.
I swear we need the original dragon as a Pokémon. I just gotta know it's true form.
Watch normal kyruem vid be longer than the black and white kyruem. Let's go and finish that trio.
0:17 "Appeared in Black 2"? I think you mean White 2. 🤓
(Sorry, just couldn't resist)
3d models don't do the kyurem forms justice. The 2d sprites are where it's at.
The Ubers equivalent of Rampardos; jaw-dropping power, but not enough going on elsewhere to make it a true menace nowadays.
So are we getting regular Kyurem on Thursday or something?
should be noted that the two players who used it in Day 2 worlds both made it through day 1 (7-2) with Kyurem
FINALLY!!!
MY FAVORITE LEGENDARY
lmao that Klefki, didn't know it was used in ubers
There it is
Gothitelle next, the public demands!
I remember the VGC2016 teams using Gravity support so White Kyurem can spam Blizzard without worry. It was terrifying
I guess you could say they died of frostbite.
*Me who's waiting for regular Kyurem*
0:18 White Kyurem appeared in White 2. Assuming that got mixed up cause Reshiram was in the original Black.