How GOOD was Giratina ACTUALLY? - History of Giratina in Competitive Pokemon (Gens 4-7)
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- Giratina is today’s Pokemon for our competitive history series! Join False Swipe Gaming in this brief overview of Giratina in competitive Pokemon!
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0:00 - Intro
0:48 - DPP/Gen 4
7:30 - Gen 4 VGC
10:05 - BW/Gen 5
13:37 - XY/Gen 6
16:29 - Gen 6 VGC
17:20 - SM/Gen 7
18:53 - Gen 7 VGC
20:11 - Outro
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Notice I said POPULAR formats, meaning a format where there is a significant amount of people who compete in it for tournaments and so on and so forth.
For the record, I do not care what rules or formats people play their battles by nor am I saying these formats are the only formats that should be played. The way you play Pokemon is between you and your opponent. I just like examining popular tournament formats.
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Merry Christmas
To you too!
You too, man. Thanks for the awesome content! Take time and relax! :)
Ok father
I love how the video just before Christmas is about Pokemon Satan. Nice
TO EVERYONE MERRY CHRISTMAS
Giratina is my favorite christmas pokemon
living dream I guess it could be because of the Santa- Satan thing
I mean if you stick some ornaments on origins it's kind of like a Christmas Tree.
Imagine being 5 and walking up in the middle of the night only to find a goddamn Giratina’s head sticking out of a portal in your living room, using its long shadow like arms to deposit presents under the tree as it stares at you with those cold red eyes,...
Best Christmas ever
living dream Same
Ryaquaza 1 lol
Primal Kyogre has Waterfall.
But Origin Giratina has upside-down waterfalls.
waterup
Waterise
waterfalln't
I always called it going down the up waterfall, oh fun!
He got vectored
Ghost/Dragon is one of the coolest dual-typing they've ever made.
Only type combination weak to both of its types :D
@@Dragrath1 look at the positive side and super effective to its own types
@@WaldenTalez Giratina vs Dragapult has gotta be some explosive action
@@catherinestickels2591 i took down dragapult with one shadow force he used shadow ball it missed then i used shadow force it wouldve killed me either way dragapult has op speed
@@catherinestickels2591
Dragapult: "I am faster than you"
Giratina: Laughts in Shadow Sneak
Me: *needs spinblocker*
"Hey demon, it's me, ya boy."
Guzma
The Fandom Colonizer *VICIOUSLY STARTS DANCING*
Buzzfeed unsolved??
Supernatural and true crime
*G U Z M A*
I like how they related the gen 4 legends to the states of matter. Dialga is solid which is why it’s steel, Palkia is liquid so it’s part water and Giratina is gas/antimatter which is why it’s ghost since ghosts aren’t solid beings or liquids
Wheres plasma?
@@robertharris6092 We had to wait until Gen 5 for Plasma. :J
not to mention time, space, and even tho it's considered antimatter i always viewed giratina more as gravity
@@nomireelnom4265
Lockstin and Noggin?
@@robertharris6092 If you really wanna dig into it, you could say it's Rotom. Not a legendary but hey, if you want to reach for an answer, this should suffice.
I never noticed just how desaturated Giratina got in gen 6 onwards. The boy got his hue drained.
They're using Citra at higher IR, which means there's graphical bugs.
Every mon is desaturated since gen 6...
TheAngryBare that’s why I don’t like the design of everything post gen 6. Every pokemon looks desaturated/colorless.
almost every mon got their life sucked into them tbh
@@rogue1248 out of them, you mean?
I remember catching Giratina in Platinun like it was yesterday.
It has a timid nature, of all things.
Mine had a gentle one. That's all I have to say
Mine had a Jolly nature
Omg mine was Jolly Nature and so under leveled compared to the elite four but it WRECKED! I think I transferred it to my poke bank and I’m going to recreate my sinnoh team. I used a master ball on it too. I loved that Pokémon so much. 🖤💜🖤💜
Timid is still good. Giratina has so many natures it can take advantage form thanks to having 2 forms
"It's not like I like you or anything!"
Someone reached fifth with both jumpluff and parasect.
What a lad.
There was a pretty cool reason for it - Jumpluff knows Sleep Powder (75% accuracy) and what with Chlorophyll (boots speed in sun), base high speed, and sitting next to Primal Groudon causing sun it's the fastest thing in the whole tier - and getting a sleep off on the first turn could be amazing.
But what about parasect?
@@controlcore1 Probably something similar involving Spore, which is a 100% accuracy sleep move. Parasect's speed (and survivability...) are garbage though. Maybe he utilized Follow Me or Rage Powder in order to get the Spore off? IDK.
@@aidenpons9584 dry skin, baby
what a badass
looks at Dragapult in Sw/Sh
*HOW DARE YOU STAND WHERE HE STOOD*
It out speeds both forms so Dragapault is the new Giratina
Jason Hampson worse movepool on both sides
I dunno about you, but I'm okay with Substitute Teachers.
Cannot even learn a Frikin Shadow Claw
Srsly, Dragapult has arms but it can learn Dragon Claw but not Shadow Claw
it sucks Giratina-Origin isn't in Pokemon Battle Revolution
Giratina-Origin with Battle revolution's animations would look sick
And rotom forms neither
FrozenVoltz ughh tell me about it
It's the same shitty design.
Yeah, and it sucks even more that we don't have a Pokémon Battle Revolution 2 yet for Nintendo Switch.
I have a feeling Giratina is going to come back strong if they make the Gen 4 remakes... one can only dream when the distortion world opens again.
it better learn mystical fire
@@SinYue They better not include Dynamax in the gen 4 remakes since they'll probably be gen 8
And the mechanics of the gens the games were remade in were always carried over to the remake.
Though they'd have to redesign it completly with stadiums and such so I hope not.
I'd rather wait a couple of years before another mainline game.
I hope arceus gets a big role if they make gen 4 remakes
Papa Taurean That is, if GF decides to go the HGSS route of including all changes to Platinum.
But considering Masuda’s idiotic philosophy, it’s only a pipe dream.
FINALLY.... thank you so much.
Yo what up?
"because it has upside down waterfalls to entertain it."
Ah.... remember the story when Satan saved Christmas? Guess this episode is pretty close to that date.
Lloyd Johannessen
Yaldabaoth: I am the god of control and i am unstoppable, all humans will live without thinking themselves and you will all die in a world of mementos
Akira/Ren: Im a 16yo boi and i have big gun
Guess I'm not the only one who likes both persona and pokemon
Well, there's Krampus . . .
Wait this ain't no Persona 5
I am thou, thou art I
So Joker sends out Giratina to defeat Arceus?
The fact that Giratina was one of the pokemon to hold up against Extreme Killer is quite fitting
I feel like those two in the same place should tear the fabric of reality.
*"GIRATINA Vanished instantly!"*
Shedinja: whelp guess I can't protect that can I?
You wanna have a bad time
Dexit be like:
@@kakaks32 expansion pass dex: *allow us to introduce ourselves*
Kellen: giratina was especially good at countering the extreme killer
Arceus: This is Blasphemy!!!
10 reasons why giratina got banished by arceus
@@Dz73zxxx true lol
@@blackheartzerotheundergrou3225
"I'm a GAMER" ref?
kinda weird because I recall ekiller runs shadow claw
Giratina was literally the only reason I got platinum.
My favourite legendary, and the only one that gave even Arceus a headache in the time of creation.
While not relevant to competitive, its shiny looks gorgeous.
One reason I don't like the 3D models as much as the sprites: Giratina's "wings" in the sprites looked like they were made of shadows. Minimal shading and the fact they were all one solid color gave them the appearance that they weren't really physical objects in our world, more like its wings were tears in reality leading to the distortion realm or something.
*...Then the 3D models just made them look like black wrinkly socks*
Same with fat lugia etc some mons should have stayed sprited
Becky C. So you don’t have an issue with nearly every bird not flapping their wings in gen 6?
Giratina is one where its sprite art waa just fantastic, so the models really don't hold up. I think my problem is that they're too smooth -- the spritw makes its body look ridged, while the model is flat. Rather than a ghost serpent with a golden skeleton it looks like a stripy slug with a mask. Also it looses the curve of its body that gave it a super nice profile, like most things with levitate. Gyarados loosing its iconic curled poses being another good example.
I like the 3D models overall, but since this is one of my favorite pokemon its always been one that particularly bothered me.
Connor Stickels even the eh models were for the most part made worse on transition due to the lack of movement making all the 3D models look more lifeless then the sprites ( granted game freak has had more practice with sprites so it makes sense that for the most part it would be worse)
eat hot chip and lie it’s wings never looked like tears though. They were always blatantly tentacles since Giratina could lie them down and move them like tentacles as shown in Platinum and BW.
Dragapult: I can kick my own ass.
Giratina: First time?
Who remembers the April Fools when Giratina was allowed in OU for the day?
I’d have loved to see what that was like lmao
That was a fun day lol
They should put Reshiram in OU for one day.
*_Release Primal Groudon into OU_*
@Sewon BANG Fear Starly and Rattata ;)
3:54
"Guyogre"
Lol
Guyogre Fieri
I feel like you're kinda underplaying the prevalence of Giratina-Origin in gen 7. It was THE defogger because it was the only viable defog user that:
1. Wasn't weak to stealth rock
2. Wasn't immediately threatened by Primal Groudon's stone edge and actually threatened common setup variants like the rock polish or swords dance sets. It didn't really see much use on stall because of its lack of a reliable recovery compared to ho-oh and lugia but it definitely saw a lot of play on the super common bulky offense teams usually alongside both primals. It was far and away the best pokemon in the tier for this.
Totally destroyed
I just imagine DP remakes and the possibility of Giratina-O not requiring to hold griseous orb... that would give us a real situation
Imagine band origin giratina with shadow force or shadow snake
Now we just need to cover deoxy defense and zygarde complete to get most of the massive walls out of the way
@@Ropalme1914 Deoxys-D was supposedly really good in Gen 3, but fell off hard after that.
The eventual Deoxys video is gonna be bigger than a Dmax Wailord.
@@shinysamurott613 so normal sized Wailord then
@@TheEagleNut good point
Poor d-defense with 50 hp
And Team Rocket's Wobbuffet reflected Giratina's attack in the movie.
And? It was just an average attack!
@@kunik61 Legendaries in anime are kinda more powerful when compared to normal Pokemon than in games.
@@kunik61 Legendaries in anime are kinda more powerful when compared to normal Pokemon than in games.
@@aminadabbrulle8252 Wobbuffet is a fucking god counter. Don't @ me. :P
Thank you for finally covering one of my all time favorite pokemon. Personally I think Shadow Force is underrated as while yes it is a 2-turn semi-invulnurable physical move it has the unique property of blasting through Protect and Detect while also doing massive damage and getting STAB. Phantom Force from gen 6 is basically its little sibling with the same effects but less power. A shame Giratina isn't used much in VGC though as it has the potential with its signature move to be very annoying to face since its not uncommon to double target mons.
not to forget it had psych up which is awesome in VGC
I've been waiting for this for so long.
I hope to see Drapion in the future, but I know you have hundreds of other requests, so take your time.
I'd like to see drapion too
Giratina...distorted the competitive scene
Ba dum pstt
Everyone: alright, we all know what’s after Giratina!
FSG: *sweats in Arceus*
Pachirisu? :D
40 minute video incoming talking about all the 17 forms it has.
@@SeriousStriker *1 hour
40 minutes a generation
I'm from the future and Arceus is surprisingly only 32 minutes in total makes sense since it has zero vgc relevance
Me: Oh boy! I wonder what jolly Pokemon we'll get before Christmas!
FSG: Did somebody say S A T A N
Will it work if it had a jolly nature?
bro please do dusclops in the near future
Boom
Did not expect to see you on a pokemon vid lol, love your mvs
FINALLY MY SON GOT HIS VIDEO!
you must be the proudest parent ever, eh?
This dude always brings good points to the table. I always thought Rayquaza was far superior as a dragon legendary, but Giratina is more useful than I thought.
The ghost of Christmas past
Wait a minute
That is a clever comment omg
I thought that was darkrai
Master of the creation trio
Wtf I thought Arceus was the daddy
Same. Arceus is literally the god of Pokemon.
Yeah, FSG made a gaffe in claiming that giratina is the master of trio instead of being the antithesis of the other 2 members of the trio.
Maybe he means the lake trio?
Stephen Tontz It’s not that either.
It's the older brother overlooking a pair of twins
how good was Hariyama actually? it’d be interesting to focus on a pokemon that had a decent singles history but was insanely versatile in doubles and VGC
Yes please this is my favorite pokemon
it's actually pretty ok in adv ou, but after it languished in lower tiers, pretty good in them though
Dude that pokemon is arguably the best fighting type in ORAS
He'd probably have a similar story as Hitmontop's.
@@milf_slayer2277 Blaziken
It's a real shame we never got to see Giratina Origin in Battle Revolution, that would've been sick.
Dragapult: Hold my Dreepy
I caught a shiny Giratina in my last playthrough of Platinum. The very first encounter was shiny. It even was the nature I was hoping for thanks to my Espeon's Synchronize. I couldn't believe my luck. I used my Master Ball not being willing to risk knocking it out or even having technical problems. I was ina Skype call with my then girlfriend and I actually had one of those "moments of hype" that a lot of gaming channels like to show off. It's my favorite shiny that I loved using to destroy every colosseum in Battle Revolution with in glorious 3D.
Since Giratina saved the universe instead of destroying it, isn't Eternatus the Serpent the Satan Pokémon now?
Autobot Starscream It is the only pokemon with a base stat total of 1125.
@@darthvigilante technically yes and no, it only has those stats in its eternamax form during the move eternabeam, oddly though its special attack is lower in that form..which makes no sense, both of it's defenses rise to 250 base and it's hp increases too, but it's all redundant because you can't stay in the form lol
@@darthvigilante going by lore, the Sinnoh dragons + Arceus are probably head and shoulders above any other pokemon
Chronomon Holy Mode with Max Stats and the Ultimate Equipment Set would Still Beat it!TRUE HOLY FLARE!PURIFIED CORONA BLASTER!
1125 BST and still the easiest Boss Battle in Pokemon game history...
I know this probably wasn't going to come up, but Giratina is THE best Pokemon in Pokemon GO - at least, for the longest time. Both its forms reigned supreme in the Ultra and Master Leagues for the longest time, until Regice got the incredible toy Lock-On to finally create a Pokemon strong enough to bring it down reliably.
surprisingly its still number 1 in current UL meta lol, the existence of buzzwole raised it up even more
Ah, yes. My favorite Pokémon, my first legendary, and ruler of the Distortion World. Tank or fighter, you can always find a use for it. I'm really hoping that it gets a Mega Rayquaza/Ultra Necrozma-Esque power boost in the Sinnoh Remakes, though it's tough to say.
unfortunatly no
Well I got bad news for you
At least it got one of the hardest boss fights in pokemon history, being a 3-phase 6v8 in a game where having high speed doesn't automatically mean a win
Giratina-O is the reason why I had a Counter/Mirror Coat Deoxys-S form as one of my potential leads.
Alright it’s time to make it hell
How GOD was Arceus ACTUALLY?
This is the ghost of christmas past present and future 👀
THE GREATEST POKÉMON REVEAL OF 2019
it's crazy hearing about groudon fearing being burned when we have gotten so used to how insanely huge primal groudon being a buff to it is
My favorite legendary finally got his video!
It’s a “it”
@@finalmonkey4239 his
The Angels Demon DON’T assume it’s gender!!
I love your content and know you won’t say this, but you’re genuinely the only reason I got into competitive Pokémon. I love you lol
Anybody remember the April Fool's day where Smogon allowed Giratina-origin into OU for a day?
that was hilarious because it was less broken than Aegislash. At least for the day because I am sure people could find other broken sets besides the mixed attacker which was already neat.
I love how giritina goes from being a staple of uber stall teams to being a counter of uber stall teams
It's called Turnback Cave for a reason. You're going into a pit that leads straight to Hell.
Chilling.
We may have lost one Ghost/Dragon type in SwSh, but we gained a new one in Dragapult
Yes... What about it?
A soul for a soul.
@@Zaderos dragapult's a pretty good OU mixed attacker
@@miguellorenzo4430 Still... What about it?
@@Zaderos we got another ghost/dragon type pokemon
Imagine if Giratina was given multiscale as its hidden ability
Dear arceus 😢 that would be bad
Imagine if it got regenerator
Giratina in Pokemon Insurgence: *_Your attacks are useless against me- is that a rock?_*
For the first Pokémon of 2020 let’s do the mighty Ferrothorn
We have Farrothorn already lol.
Do we?...
Ruby Rose Channel#358/2 Nope
I had to run and check because I was also sure that it had been covered only to find nothing. I'm guessing we were confused because it gets mentioned in almost every video lol. Hell if you just cut together all of the mentions it has in the other videos you could probably get a 15 minute video.
It'll be the Patron pick, so we'll see
It should be either Ferro or Lando T
Giratina, along with Zygarde and Groudon, are my favorite Legendary Pokemon.
And tied with Dragapolt for my favorite Ghost type.
Legend has it if the distortion world is in gen 4 remakes, we will be able to start a online battle with giratina-O not being restricted to griseous orb
One of my top 5 favorite pokemon! This truly is an amazing early Christmas gift!
Finally this video is out!! Amazing work!! Love the mon too!!
You know its gonna be amazing when the vid is 15mins +
3:58 substitute on layout twice lol
Molthree It's the new meta
He did it on purpose dude
one for each form I guess
thank you; i have been waiting for this one
Merry Christmas FALSE SWIPE GAMING!!!!
Girantina? Oh, the absolutely annoying tank and the stupidest choice bander that works in ubers
@@Ropalme1914 it was a niche time ago
@@Ropalme1914 Yes, I make dumb sets like special mega kangaskhan
@@tomasperez5916 (I used it in the curent meta. It worked)
do you mean ho-oh?
Lichtkrieger13 2x
So Gen 7 is ending soon and the early videos didn’t cover gen 7 performance. It will be nice to make some videos to supplement the Gen 7 performance of pokemons introduced in early videos like charizard, salamence, gengar and garchomp.
Definitely, plus the first 3 or so videos are not as extensive on some generations, eg the kanto starters
Charizard is useless in sw/sh , even with gygamax
@@fernandoguillenperez7686 it really is but it's fun to try and make it work
Garchomp won a lot of regionals and nationals and even a second place at worlds in vgc 17 I think but I need to study that meta
Just assume what they are in Gen 7 now.
Charizard suck while Megas are not that makes Zard Y sometimes UUBL in the tier.
Venusaur Mega was OU and now UU
I've been WAITING for this one!
Nice video.Hope to see one about Cacturne soon.
The "Y" in Yveltal isn't silent. It's E-vel-tall
No it's Yah-vel-TALL
It's yahveltal
Protect user: I'm now immune to all damage!
Giratina: *used shadow force* Who decided that?
The ghostiest dragon!!! Great video, thanks very much for making it
First good video in weeks. Thank you
And here I was expecting another ice type today, not the Ghost of Christmas Yet To Come.
"This is giratina ruler of the distortion world he is great at stealing credit cards"
I remember seeing him come down from the top of the screen in platinum it was so AWESOME
One of my favorite legendaries on my birthday, thanks FSG :3
Giratina has been my favorite legendary ever since I found it in diamond. I clearly remember it being one of the few times I was playing Pokemon with my friends. Thanks, FSG, for taking the time to analyze this unequivocally awesome Pokemon.
Fans: Giratina when?
FSG: Giratina now!
Yeeeesssss. This one was a long time coming :)
The time has come!
Merry Christmas to you guys too!
The most powerful Giratina is the one with Rain Dance and Chesto Berry.
“Girly Tina! Use rain dance!!!”
At last, my favorite pokémon... Thank you!
That last reference to the Distortion world waterfall was fantastic
Where my boy at :( never missed a Sunday for more than 2 years
DO STANTLER!!!
perfect for xmas
Wouldn't even hit 10 minutes for the ad revenue LUL
@@Nightcrawl7 he did it with Delibird, which didnt last for 10 minutes.
I haven't watched yet, already know im going to love this one
Whenever I hear about cyrus getting dragged into hell it gives me chills cause it's such a cool scene in the game
I really hope Giratina, Palkia and Dialga get powered up forms like the weather trio did when we get a Sinnoh Remake.
So if the sinnoh remakes turn out to be in gen 8, then doesn't that mean that giratina might be getting a gigantamax form? (simular to how rayquaza got a mega in the hoenn remakes)
dynamax/gigantimax is region locked to the Galar region. Pokemon are only able to dynamax in Galar because of the special power spots where the gyms are built on top of that allow pokemon to be affected by the invisible Galar particles that these power spots emit. So pokemon can't dynamax/gigantimax outside of the Galar region because there is no power spots or Galar particles.
@@norsegoat1408 I'm referring to a possible remake. they could very easily add them into the game even if it maybe doesn't make much sense
@@blacknight1257 they would have to make yet another alternate timeline for them to fit dynamax spots in, but even so, eternatus should get a role in the games and that seems unlikely
My first pokemon game was platinum. I remember my first team had a giratina named Tina.
good times
My Boy is back
In each state of matter exist life. Solid - animals, humans, plants. Liquid - fishes, plants gas - birds and plasma - ghosts, red light spectrum entities, and stars (which are living creations of plasmas that grow) all exist in these states of matter.
Finish the mythicals and legendaries of DPP! How good was Shaymin actually!
They might not do it next week though because there's also Shaymin Sky
@@bonqbon I will air slash flinch trap them until they give my happy bush some love!
I remember getting genuine chills when Giratina Origin first appeared in Platinum, at Spear Pillar. That and the Distortion World was wild.
Yass!!!! Merry Christmas
Do Slaking next
ye