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Just the fact that Blame Game as a whole is about $40 and just Trouble in Pairs by itself is going for around $25 makes it absolutely worth getting imo
@@TaunaMTG They re released the Lord of the Rings precons. I know a few shops around me which had them shipped out, the likelihood in which they will just keep reprinting these until the license expires is high. Just happened this week, thought I'd give you the heads up!
@@groinklus Riders of Rohan is a fairly good beginner one and I can nab it from my LGS for $40. Saurons is only inflated because of Orcish Bowmaster I presume
Will be trying out Blame Game and Jump Scare this weekend, as I got them as birthday gifts. Death Toll looks pretty fun to me as well. Edit: After getting a few games of Blame Game in, I can honestly say it's a very fun deck. Even has a win already. Closing out games can be tricky sometimes, but you're well protected throughout most of the game....and it's fun creating chaos lol. And you draw a crap ton of cards.
@TaunaMTG yeah I might keep it pretty stock for the first game or 2. A few of the creatures are questionable and/or too high CMC, and too many sources of colorless mana. Definitely throwing a Boros Signet in, and Swords to Plowshares and Path.
@@edwarddaignault5243 I’d run some games with it unchanged first and see how ya like it, it’s my deck I keep as a precon if others are playing precons because it’s already pretty strong. I have a friend who’s upgraded it though and it’s nasty so you can’t go wrong either way
I'm really new to commander but I would recommend Blumborrow's Animated Army. I just love Bello, let's me play big and fun enchantments and artifacts and smash with them.
@@Pumpavius it’s my favorite deck I own, wins most of the time even against players who have been playing for years plus I really only replaced a couple cards
Graveyard overdrive is fantastic after upgrades. Corams ability makes it so that if you mill before he attacks you can have multiple cards to choose from to play
I’ve been slowly upgrading Zinnia just focused on etbs, it’s nice that it has Determined Iteration and Echoing Assault in the precon to help spawn more tokens. I added caretakers talent, some creature recruiter etbs among other things. Once it snowballs it goes wide wide
I considered just making a whole second deck for it as I can’t really get all the creatures I want in it. Maybe artifact(creature) deck or even just go all in wide with tokens.
realy love that graveyard overdrive! Was my first commander after a recommendation of the shop owner and oh well this trust payed out. Lot of fun to get these Lhurgoyfs out and at the same time get some usage of your graveyard. Right know Im on my way to upgrade it, will see how it will pay out.
Zinnia is so damn good. My deck is a burn deck, also zinnia with sword of the squeak or adding in dragon throne of tarkir to give creatures trample is sweet.
Just played my first game of commander and my first game of magic in general last night. I have experience with other tcgs so it went much smoother than expected, just gotta learn all the keywords! Went with the Hail Caesar precon and threw in a few upgrades to make getting tokens more consistent. One of the people in my group was playing Mothman and that seemed interesting as well. Are the Fallout precons considered decent?
Dude the new Rakdos deck is pretty strong from all the games ive seen on TH-cam and its pretty easy to upgrade but i deffs like the grave yard deck and the simic deck all getting all three hahah
I just got into MTG commander and I still haven't figured out what precon to get, I played my first game yesterday online with the Rebellion Rising precon against some friends and got absolutely murdered. A Theft deck seems kinda cool since I can yoink their big stuff which would be pretty funny.
I used both Graveyard Overdrive and Creative Energy. Creative Energy is a really good and fun deck in my experence with energy counters and token spawning considering I just started palying magic a month ago
I just bought Blame Game but swapped the Commander with Baeloth and Noble Heritage. Can't wait to put everything together. I changed 30 cards (lands included). The precon was on sale for 29,99€ while trouble in pairs sits on solid 20€ on his own in europe (cardmarket)
I was a MTG player from 2003 to 2009. Stopped playing when Planeswalker was starting to hype up. Now I'm looking to go back into MTG, specifically Commander. So that I can join my local community to play some casual Commander fun. I cant make up my mind to start with which Precon deck. Currently looking at Fae Dominion, Explorers of the Deep, Revenant Recon and Quick Draw. Which one would you guys recommend?
@@TaunaMTG back then my main deck was a blue white. Focusing on counter spells, drawing cards, and summon Akroma as soon as possible. So I’m kinda leaning to Quick Draw. Hmm
I built it myself actually. It requires changes to work very well, IMO, and is a bit janky out the box. Once you make a few changes though, it's really great and can get powerful pretty quick
@@zack4977 I had the “science” universe beyond deck and it didn’t really grab me BUT taking cards from it and adding to creative energy made it bonkers! So fun
I don't have much money to buy for MTG, but I think I did pretty well with my choices. I bought the Gonti, Mothman, Dias and Zomine precons. Sadly I could not find the Omo precon for less than 50 so I skipped than one, thankfuly Zimone was close enough replacement. I would pick another would be either of Warhammer 40k, and I would go dor Tyranids simply because is my favorite faction and is Temur, one of my favorite triple color combinations.
Just got Family Matters, but I'm building around cheating mana costs entirely with Discover mechanics or Key to the Vault so as to just pay Offspring, or using Ethereal Valkyrie to draw cards and Foretell a creature every turn for its mana cost reduced by 2, exactly Zinnias Offspring cost. In the couple of games so far, it's been cool, and Rabble Rousing does both the tokens and the cost cheating. Outside of that, a lot of auto includes for tokens, like Skyknight Vanguard is so good for this deck, and Prince Ilharim from LotR makes a 1/1 for card draw despite not being an offspring target himself.
Gotta wonder why endless punishment wasn’t included in assuming it’s because it’s mostly sold out unless you get a bundle of all precons. I think this is a pretty good video but I would have liked to see why you didn’t include some from the sets you chose as well
Endless Punishment is a bit rough out of the box, but also suffers from EVERYONE is going to aim you down because you'll constantly be dealing damage after damage to them. There wasn't really enough payoffs to the dealing damage in it. With upgrades, it's definitely good, but I prefer the others included.
So im about to start up commandwr with friends again and i have a fun little combo in mardu colors with annabella(the doll), vito(gain life drain that much life) and ishin(attack triggers trigger an additional time) are there any good precons for that with ishin as my commander.
This really helped me narrow down my choice for my first precon, so thanks a lot! I'm having trouble picking between Quick Draw or Eldrazi Incursion. If you put the price aside and just consider the possible upgrade paths, which of the two are you more likely to buy?
Cavalry Charge is AMAZING, just hard to find. The Disa one I find is fun out the box, but definitely likes having some more mill in it to enable it better.
I just ordered the Animated Army Racoon deck. Is it good? I'm new to the game... and I love raccoons XD! I have another commander called Zaffai, Thunder Conductor, but it's hard to play. There are a lot of spell synergies, and I get lost around turn 6 XD (I'm learning... just give me some time to master it.)
After upgrades; I think nearly all of them can be upgraded to decent levels. It's kinda hard to say based off of budget and such but if I had to pick 3 that I think have the easiest potential to get busted with upgrades. - Quick Draw - Family Matters - Miracle Worker
Energy deck from Mh3 goes well with the science deck from fallout. I mean I personally think it’s better than the graveyards out of the box. But my buddy upgraded his with the science and man we hate that thing. I personally think desert bloom is the best but that’s because it was my first. Tells you how new I am. But I really do think it should’ve been on the list because I built my deck around controlling lands
I was introduced to MTG through the Doctor Who collab, looking for another Commander or good cards that care about time counters if anyone has anyone suggestions?
Nobody mentions Squirrels.....Squirreled Away is a great precon but seems people are running away from it. Also Animated Army is way more reliable than Family Matters, it even has a combo.
Why no mentions for Merfolk and Slivers,in testing(unedited/30$upgrades/unlimited budget) Merfolk are more powerful than Dinosaurs from the same set and are half the price
Personally, I included Dinos because I just liked that deck more and I don't think the power gap was huge. Both are worthwhile though, and I'm considering just expanding that "Expensive but Worth" to a list in the future instead of just a couple
Bro, hard disagree on Peace Offering. Its incredibly poorly constructed, with a mana curve this high you will rarely double cast to make up for the cards you give away. The new cards do barely anything to help you at all, its just no plan group hug, plus the same old same old boring +1/+1 counter cards that have been reprinted in pretty much every counters deck.
@TaunaMTG what do you mean by hard to find?, in LGS's or online? Because the precons of Lotr are kinda flooding the market, at least in Europe, you can find a lot of sellers in CardMarket and even in Amazon. I know you live in Australia so maybe there it's hard to find from some reason.
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Just the fact that Blame Game as a whole is about $40 and just Trouble in Pairs by itself is going for around $25 makes it absolutely worth getting imo
I also think that some of the precons from Lotr & Warhammer deserves a mention.
There's definitely some great ones there, just finding them is the issue.
The warhammer precons are so expensive these days
@@TaunaMTG They re released the Lord of the Rings precons. I know a few shops around me which had them shipped out, the likelihood in which they will just keep reprinting these until the license expires is high. Just happened this week, thought I'd give you the heads up!
The thing is, all of the ones that are actually good cost like 80$
@@groinklus Riders of Rohan is a fairly good beginner one and I can nab it from my LGS for $40. Saurons is only inflated because of Orcish Bowmaster I presume
Watched this when it came out and just came back to review it. Congrats on hitting 10k!
Will be trying out Blame Game and Jump Scare this weekend, as I got them as birthday gifts. Death Toll looks pretty fun to me as well. Edit: After getting a few games of Blame Game in, I can honestly say it's a very fun deck. Even has a win already. Closing out games can be tricky sometimes, but you're well protected throughout most of the game....and it's fun creating chaos lol. And you draw a crap ton of cards.
Blame Game looks insanely fun
@TaunaMTG yeah I might keep it pretty stock for the first game or 2. A few of the creatures are questionable and/or too high CMC, and too many sources of colorless mana. Definitely throwing a Boros Signet in, and Swords to Plowshares and Path.
Blame game is mad fun to play
@pmonaye4258 honestly it looks pretty fun right out of the box, might not change much
@@edwarddaignault5243 I’d run some games with it unchanged first and see how ya like it, it’s my deck I keep as a precon if others are playing precons because it’s already pretty strong. I have a friend who’s upgraded it though and it’s nasty so you can’t go wrong either way
I'm really new to commander but I would recommend Blumborrow's Animated Army. I just love Bello, let's me play big and fun enchantments and artifacts and smash with them.
@@Pumpavius it’s my favorite deck I own, wins most of the time even against players who have been playing for years plus I really only replaced a couple cards
Graveyard overdrive is fantastic after upgrades. Corams ability makes it so that if you mill before he attacks you can have multiple cards to choose from to play
I’ve been slowly upgrading Zinnia just focused on etbs, it’s nice that it has Determined Iteration and Echoing Assault in the precon to help spawn more tokens. I added caretakers talent, some creature recruiter etbs among other things. Once it snowballs it goes wide wide
I considered just making a whole second deck for it as I can’t really get all the creatures I want in it. Maybe artifact(creature) deck or even just go all in wide with tokens.
realy love that graveyard overdrive! Was my first commander after a recommendation of the shop owner and oh well this trust payed out. Lot of fun to get these Lhurgoyfs out and at the same time get some usage of your graveyard. Right know Im on my way to upgrade it, will see how it will pay out.
I built Zinnia as an artifact deck and it goes pretty hard.
with an illustrious wanderglyph and a muster the depart hits really strong
@victorcorro3638 I was able to get out an early wanderglyph with offspring one game and zinnia was scary big by my next turn.
Zinnia is so damn good. My deck is a burn deck, also zinnia with sword of the squeak or adding in dragon throne of tarkir to give creatures trample is sweet.
Oooo interesting. Wanderglyph, Molten Gatekeeper, that kinda thing?
Just played my first game of commander and my first game of magic in general last night. I have experience with other tcgs so it went much smoother than expected, just gotta learn all the keywords! Went with the Hail Caesar precon and threw in a few upgrades to make getting tokens more consistent. One of the people in my group was playing Mothman and that seemed interesting as well. Are the Fallout precons considered decent?
Ceaser and mothman decks pretty good, dogmeat deck is also not roo bad, but the science deck is hot garbo
Dude the new Rakdos deck is pretty strong from all the games ive seen on TH-cam and its pretty easy to upgrade but i deffs like the grave yard deck and the simic deck all getting all three hahah
The Rakdos one is decent, just need more payoffs and ways to close the game out
@@TaunaMTG Do you have any upgrade suggestion to Rakdos one?
@@TaunaMTG You mean Endless Punishment ?
I have the graveyard overdrive and it’s really fun to play after upgrading it. It’s very alright out of the box also. 😎
I just got into MTG commander and I still haven't figured out what precon to get, I played my first game yesterday online with the Rebellion Rising precon against some friends and got absolutely murdered.
A Theft deck seems kinda cool since I can yoink their big stuff which would be pretty funny.
I think Rebellion Rising needs so decent upgrades to be better, but Otharri the secondy commander is amazing
Can you add timestamps? Thanks for the awesome video
I used both Graveyard Overdrive and Creative Energy. Creative Energy is a really good and fun deck in my experence with energy counters and token spawning considering I just started palying magic a month ago
I also recently picked up Enhanced evolution for $18. What a steal! But I’d like to see if the fallout mutant menace will go with my new one.
the thunder junction green red white (i forgot the name of it) is also a great precon with alot of nice cards but a lil slow gameplay
I just bought Blame Game but swapped the Commander with Baeloth and Noble Heritage. Can't wait to put everything together. I changed 30 cards (lands included). The precon was on sale for 29,99€ while trouble in pairs sits on solid 20€ on his own in europe (cardmarket)
18:37 Not everyone loves them, Me and my Sigarda decks despise them. Fun video though, thanks for sharing your insights on these precons.
Do they still sell precon packs..not commander decks
exit from exile is stunning
I was a MTG player from 2003 to 2009. Stopped playing when Planeswalker was starting to hype up. Now I'm looking to go back into MTG, specifically Commander. So that I can join my local community to play some casual Commander fun.
I cant make up my mind to start with which Precon deck. Currently looking at Fae Dominion, Explorers of the Deep, Revenant Recon and Quick Draw. Which one would you guys recommend?
What type of playstyle do you enjoy?
@@TaunaMTG back then my main deck was a blue white. Focusing on counter spells, drawing cards, and summon Akroma as soon as possible.
So I’m kinda leaning to Quick Draw. Hmm
Explorers of the Deep is great out of the box and pretty easy to upgrade, I can wholeheartedly recommend
What are your thoughts on the Creative Energy Precon from MH3?
I built it myself actually. It requires changes to work very well, IMO, and is a bit janky out the box. Once you make a few changes though, it's really great and can get powerful pretty quick
@@zack4977 I had the “science” universe beyond deck and it didn’t really grab me BUT taking cards from it and adding to creative energy made it bonkers! So fun
I don't have much money to buy for MTG, but I think I did pretty well with my choices. I bought the Gonti, Mothman, Dias and Zomine precons. Sadly I could not find the Omo precon for less than 50 so I skipped than one, thankfuly Zimone was close enough replacement.
I would pick another would be either of Warhammer 40k, and I would go dor Tyranids simply because is my favorite faction and is Temur, one of my favorite triple color combinations.
Sidar Jabari of Zhalfir ir very good!
What do you think of Virtue and Valor from Wilds of Eldraine? (Selesnya). Every time I play it ramps so quickly 😅
It's a super fun deck, comes with a lot of great Aura staples and quite decent out of the box.
Just got Family Matters, but I'm building around cheating mana costs entirely with Discover mechanics or Key to the Vault so as to just pay Offspring, or using Ethereal Valkyrie to draw cards and Foretell a creature every turn for its mana cost reduced by 2, exactly Zinnias Offspring cost. In the couple of games so far, it's been cool, and Rabble Rousing does both the tokens and the cost cheating. Outside of that, a lot of auto includes for tokens, like Skyknight Vanguard is so good for this deck, and Prince Ilharim from LotR makes a 1/1 for card draw despite not being an offspring target himself.
Gotta wonder why endless punishment wasn’t included in assuming it’s because it’s mostly sold out unless you get a bundle of all precons. I think this is a pretty good video but I would have liked to see why you didn’t include some from the sets you chose as well
Endless Punishment is a bit rough out of the box, but also suffers from EVERYONE is going to aim you down because you'll constantly be dealing damage after damage to them. There wasn't really enough payoffs to the dealing damage in it. With upgrades, it's definitely good, but I prefer the others included.
@@TaunaMTG that’s fair I just thing the concept is really fun I bought all four but I wanted endless the most.
Everyone charging $70 is keeping me from buying it
Its definitely a fun concept, and can be upgraded to be so good. Just rough for when you're newer
@@angeldillemuthactor thats why I just bought all four precons for 120$
So im about to start up commandwr with friends again and i have a fun little combo in mardu colors with annabella(the doll), vito(gain life drain that much life) and ishin(attack triggers trigger an additional time) are there any good precons for that with ishin as my commander.
What are best Lotr and 40k precons?
If I'm choosing one from each it would be Necron Dynasties and probably Riders of Rohan
Best lotr one for me is the frodo + samwise deck, Warhammer I'd just have to go with necron
This really helped me narrow down my choice for my first precon, so thanks a lot! I'm having trouble picking between Quick Draw or Eldrazi Incursion. If you put the price aside and just consider the possible upgrade paths, which of the two are you more likely to buy?
Personally, I think Quick Draw is more interesting and can get stronger for cheaper, but also lots of interesting ways you can take it
@@TaunaMTG Cool! Thanks a lot!
Tauna could you do a video on upgrading the Stella Lee precon with the otters from bloomburrow?
Thoughts on cavalry charge? Should I avoid it? I have the Disa precon now and don't love it.
Cavalry Charge is AMAZING, just hard to find.
The Disa one I find is fun out the box, but definitely likes having some more mill in it to enable it better.
@@TaunaMTG Costco has them in the US as a bundle with 3 booster packs
I just ordered the Animated Army Racoon deck. Is it good? I'm new to the game... and I love raccoons XD!
I have another commander called Zaffai, Thunder Conductor, but it's hard to play. There are a lot of spell synergies, and I get lost around turn 6 XD
(I'm learning... just give me some time to master it.)
Nice top! Iliked it
What is Top3 strongest after upgrade?
First might be Stella for sure.
After upgrades; I think nearly all of them can be upgraded to decent levels. It's kinda hard to say based off of budget and such but if I had to pick 3 that I think have the easiest potential to get busted with upgrades.
- Quick Draw
- Family Matters
- Miracle Worker
@@TaunaMTG Family matters so cool ! The rat commander in this precon might be good but I think he's too expensive to cast.
Energy deck from Mh3 goes well with the science deck from fallout. I mean I personally think it’s better than the graveyards out of the box. But my buddy upgraded his with the science and man we hate that thing. I personally think desert bloom is the best but that’s because it was my first. Tells you how new I am. But I really do think it should’ve been on the list because I built my deck around controlling lands
Today I learned an Australian saying Lhurguyff sounds like an American attempting to speak French :D
Why does the sound keep cutting
One more sub for you, I think you can get 10k by the end of the year!
I have definitely watched enough of your videos to not subscribe 😂
I honestly thought I already was.
I was introduced to MTG through the Doctor Who collab, looking for another Commander or good cards that care about time counters if anyone has anyone suggestions?
Hey! There aren't many to do with time counters but there's:
- Gandalf of the Secret Flame
- Alaundo the Seer
Nobody mentions Squirrels.....Squirreled Away is a great precon but seems people are running away from it. Also Animated Army is way more reliable than Family Matters, it even has a combo.
Why no mentions for Merfolk and Slivers,in testing(unedited/30$upgrades/unlimited budget) Merfolk are more powerful than Dinosaurs from the same set and are half the price
Personally, I included Dinos because I just liked that deck more and I don't think the power gap was huge. Both are worthwhile though, and I'm considering just expanding that "Expensive but Worth" to a list in the future instead of just a couple
@@TaunaMTG okay,anyways thanks for the video and keep it coming
Endless Punishment,animated army ,explorers of the deep....where are?🤦🏻♂️
Bro, hard disagree on Peace Offering.
Its incredibly poorly constructed, with a mana curve this high you will rarely double cast to make up for the cards you give away.
The new cards do barely anything to help you at all, its just no plan group hug, plus the same old same old boring +1/+1 counter cards that have been reprinted in pretty much every counters deck.
Criminal not adding Food from Lotr or Necron from Warhammer
Both are great, just harder to find. Maybe I should do a list of "Harder to find, but worth" ones at the end instead of just the 2?
@TaunaMTG what do you mean by hard to find?, in LGS's or online?
Because the precons of Lotr are kinda flooding the market, at least in Europe, you can find a lot of sellers in CardMarket and even in Amazon.
I know you live in Australia so maybe there it's hard to find from some reason.
I purchased all the precons featured here, lol. Im a fan of playing with unupgraded precons. I see it here, I buy, lol.