I couldn't agree more Mark. Spending 100k on a 2 door car, or maybe any car, is not a rational decision. So, if we're not being rational, then it must have an emotional appeal. It must feel cool, unique and special and this just doesn't. I really don't like how BMW is copy pasting interiors. Basically all the models look the same inside, and that's just not good when you have models for which you ask 100k+. They won't feel special enough. If Lexus can give the LC 500 a unique interior, then so can BMW but they are just too lazy in my opinion. I honestly just rather have the Lexus. It has a cool V8, looks super unique inside and out, and it's simply more special. Both have a synthetic driving experience, but the Lexus is just more special to me. It's certainly not rational to spend that much on a car, especially a rather impractical 2 door coupe, but if I will spend that it better be worth it. It better be something that makes me feel cool every time I drive it and every time I get out of it. This doesn't. I really hope modern cars get their shit together because most of them feel so boring they're putting me to sleep. I'm much rather spend my money on a 1990s 8 series and do a full restoration on one and make it pristine. That feels better to drive and it looks better inside and out.
On one side you have a BMW which, I'd say 50% of car manufacturers try to copy one way or another, rich history with tons of memorable car models. On the other sie you have a Lexus... Zero to some history and made up name with really only one market in which they sell cars, USA. Thanks but no thanks. Since BMW became unaffordable to average Joe they all of a sudden became unreliable, crap cars not worth the cost. Give me a break.
Alec Empire Yeah Lexus actually cares about the average joe which is why most models are still relatively affordable. If BMW didn’t make their cars so damn complex they would actually sell better and last longer. BMW at this point isn’t even a quality brand to me.
@@gtmike916 it's Lexus. Why should they care about average Joe? There is toyota for that. Bmw may be complex but that's for a reason. Because they have to drive and handle like a BMW which will always be a level up from a Lexus or Cadillac. If you want the best and we can agree that bmw does a lot of things really good if not best in segment, you are going to have to pay for it. Not everybody is trying to rip off everybody else. Bmw simply cost that much.
I don’t care how douchey the car is, people who deliberately key cars 🔑 should have to pay every cent for the repair and punitive damages too, it’s disgusting behaviour
Agreed. I hate that he basically justified it. But the guy running this channel comes off as a punk. He always seems like someone pissed in his cornflakes. I like the guy driving much, much better.
@@oneaburns Mark shits on BMWs cuz he owned an F10 M5 that was the typical BMW wallet-siphoning experience. Dude likes to track his cars and that one always overheated
I'm watching this in late 2023, thinking about buying one, because now they've depreciated into the high $40,000 range. Seems like a great value for a person like me! In the past, I've had 911s and I've gotten caught up in the competition for more and more power and speed. I'm over it. The negatives described in this video just don't bother me much.
I paid 54k for a 2021 M850 gran coupe with a 125k bmw platinum extended warranty for 3.5k. It's the exact spec I would have ordered. It was not the best deal but it a fair one. I have had a merc, rovers, and a lexus. The inside isn't exciting, but it's the most efficient cabin i have been in by far.121k was the sticker price, which is overpriced. But 54k with 40k miles with 125k dealer warranty is a value. 4 doors 0 to 60 3.4 that was my personal best is a lot of car. Get one used it's worth it. Open to other's thoughts in comments.
His point is more that the core experience is straight forward. You don't have to use gestures. Tactile inputs where you need them and a good infotainment
So BMW is basically trying to charge 20K more for and updated 6 series? They axed the 6 because it wasn't selling and this 8 series looks like it's headed for the same fate lol
I think he feels obligated to protect people from making idiotic purchases, if his video can stop one person from wasting an insane amount of money on a mediocre car he’s gonna do his best to get that accomplished
You know why this channel is awesome? You get real honest reviews and the chemistry between the hosts is perfect. You get a humor, honestly, ability to hear the engine roar, and great production of the entire video. I look forward to new videos. Keep up the amazing and entertaining work!!
By Suggestion an Edit- This was an experience I had with this model from BMW, not as much to do with the Brand, one saved my life before, and they can produce one hell of an auto, and on this occasion selling it put food on the table for the week, I am grateful for the market that provides this, on the other hand it gets concerning as the resources it takes to build/sell just one car, the manufacturing, use of natural resources, debts, etc. I love the design and care they have to engineer a near 50/50 weight balance, how you can usually take 75% of whats next to you at a stoplight, I am a fan of all that but, this is a vehicle for the moment it seems, and not one for long term enjoyment, its a machine that requires lots of care, making sure it doesn't get keyed, buying tires after being surprised at how fast they need looking after, the joy of driving can become an expensive hobby. Sometimes its not a thought for some owners, wealthy or not, thats where I think the priorities of building and wanting a car like this can be fun and enjoyable but it can take a toll on the future, I have the honor of being around them daily, Love our customers who drive them, you do make the world go round, some deals make sense, just be cautious about what you consume and take care of what you do. I now return you to your regularly scheduled programming. ) I was lucky enough to sell one when they first came out, the client had an M3 he was keeping(ended up trading with 16k negative equity) and wanted a mazda CX3 as a winter beater, Since he had BMWs I told him about the M850 now being all wheel drive, so he decided to buy it and drove it home, it was a 2300 lease payment:(, the last time I followed up with him, 1 year into ownership, he had to get rid of it because of divorce, sad. You mean that guy?
Adjusted for inflation, a 1987 635csi was $100k so this is nothing new for BMW. I think the early 90s 8 series was probably even more expensive. in today's dollars. Both were big, heavy (for their day) GT autobahn cruisers mostly driven by bankers. Anyway, I've noticed that Mark tends to get very agitated about expensive european cars and the perceived person who drives them. He kind of spirals into scotty kilmer-esque nonsensical rants at times. The whole thing about the car should only cost 60 (then later he says 40)- really?! Dude- you can barely get a 6 cylinder 4 series coupe for that amount. I'm not a fan of this car either, but it's totally worth the price given the engineering and attention to detail.
There are reasons why European cars had such inflated prices in the 80s and 90s. Please study why. You need to look at EU prices to be fair. This car is not nearly as differentiated as the E31 was from other BMW products or even the previous 6 series. 6 series was the flagship before the 8.
japanwatchconnection he just doesn't like this car, rather have two sides to this car vs just straight milking a BMW just because they both like it and not being realistic
I understand why Jack feels that way. If you put aside the price and look at it as a car, it's a very competent, well engineered and well thought-out car. Almost every argument i heard on the 8 series is the price. Lets not forget the original 8 series was horrendously overpriced back in the 90s and thats why it didnt sell. I'm willing to bet we will be singing this car praises in 20 years. Another case in point, the Z8.
@@ilovelimpfries Yep, the 8er is great objectively and it is somewhat nicer inside than lesser BMW models. The price is what it is, probably on purpose as to keep it niche. Could have they done more on the interior to distinguish it from other models? Sure. Does it lack character? It does if you are used to older cars, which were louder, rougher, less synthetic and had imperfections you've grown to love over time. But cars nowadays are trying to be the opposite and with emission, safety and other regulations are becoming more bloated, refined and isolated. That's true with all cars, not just the 8er or BMWs in general. And for a vehicle at this price point, Jack said it also, it would be a travesty to be loud and rough (but had "character"). The target buyer wants it to be quiet and loud when needed, that's why you have the fake exhaust, car reviewers need to understand this and get used to it.
This is exactly how car reviews should be done...always honest and extremely objective points of view. Car manufacturers have for years been lazy and I think finally we have had enough.
@@SpartanArmy117 Yea. I'm not the market for this but I can imagine some retired dentist might want a sporty coup with the feel of luxury instead of character. They want something more usable and less raw than a Porsche. They don't want something small like the Z4 or the Supra. It's too much money for what you get? Some people in their twilight years want to live a little. I'm not sure why this is so confusing. I would never buy this but I can see why someone would.
@@akkando come on, realize that it's msrp is actually right on par with the s7 (doesnt matter it has more power but it's heavier so has the same performance numbers) and I don't expect him to diss the s7 anytime soon. And, yes, implying this is a douchey car for rich d-bags is just not the usual class we have come to expect
Jake Carter, true, even after getting a new Bmw (three weeks after purchase), I was stuck driving a 3 series for a week for bad quality control. Prior to that, I drove loaners 6+ times (36 month period) while waiting for my car to get fixed for simple electric stuff, and on engine lights.
101k buys 5 new Corolla LE sedans and you will have money left over. I was cross shopping the 2020 BMW 840i and the 2020 Toyota Corolla LE sedan and the Corolla was more fun to drive. Seriously. The Corolla is a lot lighter and because of the all-new TNGA platform, had excellent handling and driving characteristics. Plus I can buy the Corolla for 18k out the door (you have to negotiate hard) while this overpriced German junk is over 100k. Plus Corolla has naturally aspirated bulletproof 1.8 liter engine so more reliable than the B58 turbo engine.
It's really cool that you guys view the underside of the car, I have not seen any other reviewers do that. It's really interesting to see all the differences underneath.
@@jwell1160 But then with the maintenance, buying this used wouldn't even be worth it unless you knew what you were doing. Ultimately, better alternatives exist.
@@MRTOWELRACK might not be even that bad given its built using BMW's workhorse b58 engine and zf 8 speed transmission. Suspension doesn't seem much different from the 5 series, might be actually identical.
screw value, it's a sweet ride! I ordered my 840i xDrive in a special color that ran me an extra $5k. Can't wait for late December delivery of my one-of-a-kind.
Enjoy your car to the fullest because one only lives once. And please also accept my heartfelt congratulations on your acquiring this artful piece of engineering.
This would feel great to a guy who's worked hard and come into some money, decides to trade in his Malibu. He doesn't want to track it, doesn't live based on 0-60 times, but wants a well-built reward for his hard work. More power to him. But I hope it doesn't break him to own it.
200% agree. I don't care if it's not in the same class as the BMW or any other pedantry like that. If I want a 2+2 luxury coupe that will evoke emotion and last forever on basic maintenance, then I'm getting the LC500.
I think the interior design is great, especially in this color combination, which the satin aluminium trim compliments beautifully. Such a clean and modern design, but I also appreciate the flowing waterfall control stack into the center console. So many car makers have moved away from that flowing waterfall style, which I find disappointing.
As a BMW fan and couldn’t agree more on this review. Hard to comprehend this 840i is on the same category of the Lexus LC. This Bmw for 60k would be awesome. Remember the corvette is always fun until it gets to the Porsche money.
The Lexus LC is so much sexier and more Beautiful in every way. From the gorgeous perfect interior top notch materials and reliability out of that DELICIOUS sounding 5.0 N/A V8 it’s and absolute work of art. This bmw could never live up to compete with that
Hard to comprehend what? The 8-series in a V8 trim is a much faster, better handling, with a more spacious interior, better gearbox and a better infotainment system. It is also more rigid and lighter thanks to that carbon core. A NA V8 exhaust note is nice, but it doesn't define the whole car.
@@805NAVE That's subjective. Hideous headlamps are almost becoming a Lexus brand value at this point and the interiors are an over styled mess across the board, the LC being a prime example of that. Not to mention the design is the culprit of it being cramped when it didn't have to be. It's supposed to be a GT car.
Cheaper to build cars in USA and you don't need to ship a corvette from Germany saving business shipping costs either , in Germany union leaders and Government are cancer to business which pushes up production costs to build BMW why consumers pay more, the net profit margins on a bmw built $5000 , the net profit bmw germany corporaton make 10%
This video encapsulates why I’ve been watching for years. You tell it like it is from your point of view which is so rare in a lot of car reviewers. As always great reviews
They think it's more refined to block out all engine noise and then replace it with a god awful fake engine sound through the speakers. You can even look at the M5, and there is ZERO engine noise, but rather the fake sound from the speakers. You go into any AMG car and all you can hear is that exhaust and lovely engine sound.
Not every car has to have a loud "exotic sound", nor do you need to feel every imperfection in the road. This car is obviously meant for that executive who wants a nice 4 door that has great passing power on the freeway and a ton of technology. Personally I like a car that can get me from point A to point B comfortably, my days of driving a manual were left back in the 90s, and when I'm looking for a smooth comfortable ride the last thing I want to hear is the engine screaming.
marlon Covington you can just buy a used 635 and feel the same thing. Aside from the interior it literally looked like my f10 535...no where near 80k better
60 second in and I had to pause and make this comment. The production value on this video is amazing. Your team should win an award. This is movie level cinematography and edits. Bravo.
The Gran Coupe version of the 8 Series is the best "value" in the lineup. I had one for about a month as a loaner and enjoyed it immensely. It should be noted that no one is paying anywhere near MSRP for these. Average discount sits around 15-20% off, so this car would be closer to $80K. Still a shit-ton of money, but not six figures.
Savage Remember luxury motors out near O’Hare? I’d say in about 07 they had a beautiful white e31 that still felt special even though it was in a warehouse full of lambos , astons and Ferrari’s. I mean here is 13k car in a warehouse full of giants and it still shined. The problem with this new 8 is that it will never stand out, it will never be special.
@japanwatchconnection for $100,000, this is a pretty big penalty box too. So many better options for the money, and these cars will depreciate 80% within 5 years
The current 8 series should be named what it really is in disguise, a 6 series, it doesn't look or feel anything like anyone would imagine a true 8 series successor would. We all theorized that the new 8 series would be the i8 with a v12 in the back or something crazy like that in order to be the true BMW flagship. But the 8 series we have, in a weird way, is the BMW flagship. It represents the shift from well engineered, well build cars that were very fun an engaging to drive, to a brand that's just has a badge to flex and you know it's going to be effortless to drive around town or on the highway. Luckily the M2 still exists, but who knows how long they'll still offer an affordable, 'traditional' BMW.
For the person who keyed this vehicle: "Just because you can't afford something does not mean you have to hate it!". But, The poor sales of this vehicle will speak for itself on how appealing it really is.
@@QueenGoesYT Saw a sticky hood latch on a '19 X5. Had to almost SLAM it shut. This looks similar. No mass-produced car is going to have perfect panel gaps, but BMW is about as good as it gets. No way a car (without a Tesla badge) leaves the factory with a defect like that.
I bought a 2019 540i with this same power plant and kept it three months. I agree, it was boring. However I traded it not for the 840, but the m850i. The entire character of the car changed. It is a very fast, very competent handling vehicle with the ability to switch over into a luxury glider. It has all wheel drive which is a great advantage over the Lexus LC where I live, allowing me to use it all year. At the price point of $112K there really isn't anything that can match it other than an F-Type, but with way less tech and rough for daily use, the 911 4S is much higher and does not really carry the comfort and tech modes as well. Must admit, I bought a 2019 in 2020, making the price much more palatable. Wish you guys would test the m850i!
@@acrspeed people don't like NJ, people also don't like people from NJ, hell people who live in NJ don't like other people who live in NJ because there are too many of them.
Dan R it was, however, BMWoA has a major corporate HQ in NJ.. I used to work next door to it in Woodcliff Lake. I used to see all sorts of models driving in the neighborhood ahead of their official NA release.
I don’t know what this guy is talking about but this car is an absolute legend. It’s beautiful, it’s luxurious and where I live everybody absolutely loves it.
After Lexus dropped the LC500 on the automotive community like a nuke I can't possibly fathom being attracted to this gold encrusted cookie cutter. Sad times for BMW.
LC500 isn't anything great. Horrible Infotainment, far to heavy and unbalanced, and the driving dynamics suffer etc...Toyota is far behind there German competitors when it comes to to building a modern day Luxury sports sedan. They instead focused there R&D on building conservative sedans and SUv's with the prime goal of reliability not performance nor keeping up with modern day competitive performance driven mechanical innovations.
Paul J the infotainment is not that bad, you’ll get use it. I have Apple CarPlay in mine, so I rarely use the infotainment. The interior design and materials are super amazing, the exterior is so special and unique. The engine sound is superb, it does 0-100 km in 4.5sec, handles very well in S+ and it’s reliable. What else do you need?
Hi Guys! Big Fan here! Longtime supporter. I don’t disagree with you often, but you summed it up perfectly in the last part of the video. It’s a 9/10 in what it was meant to do. It was never meant to be a Supra, a Z4, or anything like that. That’s why BMW makes the Z4. This is for someone who wants the isolation, the luxury, the “engineering.” It IS a sports car. It’s ALSO a luxury vehicle.
We as enthusiasts do a disservice to car culture when we judge the preferences of others. Sure, this car doesn’t do what an enthusiast might want but it’s great that BMW has the ability to design, build, and offer it. It’s still a great car for the person who likes its attributes, and that doesn’t make that person a douche.
Mark crapped on it because of the $100k price. Agreed....4 yrs ago.... But.....2020 840i's have depreciated TREMENDOUSLY down to $40k's. He said it's one of the best looking modern day BMW's and a "9 out of 10" in terms of design and an engineering marvel..... he's a buyer at $60k. Guess what?.... 4 yrs ago, Luxury Asshat Snobs bought them at $100k ...but now in the present day.......Lucky and Smart Enthusiasts recognizing an amazing machine can buy em used at $40k-$45k. And the added bonus is.....B58 turbo six has proven it is the reliable comically tuneable european 2JZ ....just make sure to stay on top of coolant hose leaks and you are golden....... high end BMW special car without the typical fragile oil burning bmw motor.......... NO BRAINER deal in the present day.
"and i couldnt care less" pretty much perfectly sums up how I feel about a huge portion of the, very technically impressive, modern cars that are being made.
How can such an understated car be "douchy" though - regardless of price? It gets douchy when people lower it (destroy the ride quality), put carbon-fiber-everything on it, black grille, black tipped exhaust, black wheels, a worthless front lip spoiler, a worthless trunk spoiler, a worthless rear bumper skirt, tinted headlights, tinted tail lights, blacked-out windows, intakes that add 0 hp, obnoxious exhausts that add 10 hp, and a BootMod3 tune that has more snap, crackle, and pop than a 4th of July fireworks extravaganza.
I've been saying FOR YEARS car should come with integrated dash cams. It's so easy for them to hide a camera instead of me having a giant piece of gear that almost blocks my view and having the wire dangling.
dpajc056 my Garmin 66W isn’t huge and works great but yes wire hanging. And a manufacturer will try to charge $995 for theirs. And it’s a privacy issue. I rather have a Garmin that I can pull down in case I rear end a vehicle.
@@JAnx01 it is not idiocy. It is hilarious when the presenter says there are not panel gaps while huge panel gaps are shown in the video (irrelevant if it is because the bonnet is not closed properly). Maybe he chose to put the clip of the bonnet while talking about gaps as an irony
looks like it's bent or something. later it shows a lower front shot and that gap isn't there. they said it had been keyed but maybe there was more to it.
All German flagship cars (from BMW, MB and Audi) are now over £100k brand new. The Audi RS6 which is a wagon is also over £100k too. Inflation, new technology, and the cost of emission penalties is driving up the costs of car production in Europe.
Yep and look at alllllll the money printing going on because of Corona... Buckle up baby. And buy a horse. Cars are about to get even MORE expensive!!!
You can get a loaded G70 3.3T under $45k all day long maybe even $40k-$42k OTD if you lean in hard enough. It's an M340i competitor that runs $70k with the same options. I consider that a pretty good value.
Compact cars are still reasonably priced. If you want a new Corolla or a Civic, you get a lot for your money, and they'll take you from point A to point B comfortably.
the i8 looked way more special for a similar price. not saying it was a great car overall, but it definitely had the wow factor you'd expect with a 6 figure price tag.
You guys don't get it. This is a halo car for the BM. Many people will drool over this but will then put on their sensible hat on, go into a dealership and buy a 520d or a 530 for 50.000. They will then think they got a deal of a lifetime for getting 90% of the 8-series experience for 1/2 the price. BMW is not bothered about not selling these. It is helping build the brand up so that they can sell more 3 and 5 series cars which is their bread and butter.
Well, what can I say, well done sir. Reviewing and shitting on BMWs is guaranteed to bring views, likes, dislikes and lots of comments. BMW fans will watch it trying to hear something positive about their cars, haters will watch it to validate their negative views. Seems like there’s no middle ground there, people either like or hate BMWs. I think the main issue with this and many other luxury cars in this segment is their cost. MSRP for 840i is very similar to that of the s7, and performance numbers are very similar despite the s7 having nearly an extra 100hp. But there’s not much hate going on for the S7 or other Audis in the geese’s videos. Also, the 840i is not a whole lot slower than the recently reviewed e53 amg, and also has a similar msrp. No hate there either. And the comments about the 840i being so douchey it got keyed - man, this is not the car’s problem, this is these lunatics problem who can’t stand that other people can have nice things. They were taught that you shouldn’t be a tall puppy and if you are, you deserve to be torn down.
Well, that was the last BMW for Savagegeese…. Although I do agree with the conclusions, I don't agree to talk so disdainly about the clientèle of this car. BMW cannot help that there are rich people wanting a clean, effortless drive with a posh BMW badge on it. BMW makes use of this to double the price of the car. But well, wouldn't you?
"you have some screws lose to buy this car" That pretty much sums it up. It pretty much is a match made in heaven for the douche who is going to buy it.
@@vvk But BMW knows that which is why their lease deals work. No one buys an M3 with the competition package because its a stupid idea to buy a 90k M3 but to lease it, the numbers always seem better. And folks looking for BMW's latest and greatest will lease away.
BMW Germany probably.doesnt even make $10000 net profit on 8 series built in Germany factory, there a big difference to turnover from sales and net profit which left political leaders don't mention
The m850i has more performance to justify the price, but even that car starting at $120k sounds insane! The 8 series needs a price adjustment. The m8 starts at $133,000, the slower, less performance models should be priced accordingly.
@@mackie1001 I don't see that as remotely possible in the US. The M850i stickers for twice the M340i ...why would anyone lease a 330i if you could have an M850i
Great review! You’re both right crazy money Mark there’s more out there for the money but Jack knows who buy these cars and so many people will just buy it because the badge says Bmw...
Not sure I really get the hate for this car here. The whole 'car for rich people' thing could be applied to near enough any Mercedes above a C class, the majority of which won't handle anywhere near as well the 8 series. I also don't get the price complaints; it's a luxury GT, it's not going to be 3-series money. $100k definitely won't get you inside an Aston Martin or Bentley, so it's not as if it's trying to compete with those cars.
I had one of these for a week and it was AWESOME to drive. I didn’t want to take it back. It was so fun but felt so safe. It handled the road well. And it was FAST.
7:04 : "I know you're in sport mode because I can hear that fake engine noise". I ABSOLUTELY love this guy. I'm a huge BMW fan, I've had many. But their post-2012 BS with turbo 4's, electric steering, and fake engine noise is just lost on me. Just get a Jetta and be done with it. "$100,000 slab of worthlessness" best line ever.
I feel sad bc all the BMWs in my area are super goddamn expensive if they're not completely broken prior to 2012, I wish I could get to experience those cars because they were what I desired when I was a kid.
Don’t hate the player hate the game. Prior to buying this car I owned a 17m6 and before that a 15cls63. This car blows both of them away! May not be as fast but way more practical and just as much fun. I’ve owned them all 911’s and Ferrari’s this is the best car so far !
Mark, if you and Jack were given the GranCoupe (4dr) version of the 840i, would you have a slightly different perspective on it? The 2dr 8 series tend to be compared a lot to a 911 but aside from the likes of the M8, I reckon BMW set their priority on 'grand touring' over 'spirited driving' for non 'M' 8 series cars. Maybe I misunderstood what you said in the 'final thoughts' section.
Exactly. Even though it's a BMW, that doesn't mean every car they make is designed to be driver-focused. It's not even an M model, or even the M Performance variant. I don't think many people are going to consider an 8 Series when they want a connected driving feel as much as possible, as they would look at the 4 Series.
Its needs to be faster for the price but I'd consider it, BMW treats customers like GOLD. The experience as a new BMW owner over the past 8yrs has been significantly more pleasant than other brands.
Save the carbon core bullshit for the higher trims. BMW corporate dropped the ball trying to sell a base model that starts at $87,900. Absurd. The people obsessed with driving dynamics to the point where they want carbon fiber built into the frame are not going to opt for the base model full size coupe. This all seems obvious, maybe we're the idiots
@japanwatchconnection Not exactly. They've gone down but the LC has been in coupe form only. The BMW sales figures for 2019 (4,410) include convertible, coupe, and M8. Let's see if Lexus improves with LCF and convertible models. Lexus also sells much less of all models total than BMW. You must look at the percentage of total sales.
I couldn't agree more Mark. Spending 100k on a 2 door car, or maybe any car, is not a rational decision. So, if we're not being rational, then it must have an emotional appeal. It must feel cool, unique and special and this just doesn't. I really don't like how BMW is copy pasting interiors. Basically all the models look the same inside, and that's just not good when you have models for which you ask 100k+. They won't feel special enough. If Lexus can give the LC 500 a unique interior, then so can BMW but they are just too lazy in my opinion. I honestly just rather have the Lexus. It has a cool V8, looks super unique inside and out, and it's simply more special. Both have a synthetic driving experience, but the Lexus is just more special to me. It's certainly not rational to spend that much on a car, especially a rather impractical 2 door coupe, but if I will spend that it better be worth it. It better be something that makes me feel cool every time I drive it and every time I get out of it. This doesn't. I really hope modern cars get their shit together because most of them feel so boring they're putting me to sleep. I'm much rather spend my money on a 1990s 8 series and do a full restoration on one and make it pristine. That feels better to drive and it looks better inside and out.
We just want 2 cents. You threw in a whole dollar.
On one side you have a BMW which, I'd say 50% of car manufacturers try to copy one way or another, rich history with tons of memorable car models. On the other sie you have a Lexus... Zero to some history and made up name with really only one market in which they sell cars, USA. Thanks but no thanks. Since BMW became unaffordable to average Joe they all of a sudden became unreliable, crap cars not worth the cost. Give me a break.
Alec Empire Yeah Lexus actually cares about the average joe which is why most models are still relatively affordable. If BMW didn’t make their cars so damn complex they would actually sell better and last longer. BMW at this point isn’t even a quality brand to me.
couldnt care less about the shitty infotainment in the LC, id take it 100 times over this.
@@gtmike916 it's Lexus. Why should they care about average Joe? There is toyota for that. Bmw may be complex but that's for a reason. Because they have to drive and handle like a BMW which will always be a level up from a Lexus or Cadillac. If you want the best and we can agree that bmw does a lot of things really good if not best in segment, you are going to have to pay for it. Not everybody is trying to rip off everybody else. Bmw simply cost that much.
I don’t care how douchey the car is, people who deliberately key cars 🔑 should have to pay every cent for the repair and punitive damages too, it’s disgusting behaviour
Cars are not douchey, but people are. But agree that damaging somebody else’s property is bad no matter how you spin it.
Agreed. I hate that he basically justified it. But the guy running this channel comes off as a punk. He always seems like someone pissed in his cornflakes. I like the guy driving much, much better.
@@BungeeGum1 in all fairness...he does hate and shit on 7 out of 10 cars he reviews, if not more
We should beat those who key cars
@@oneaburns Mark shits on BMWs cuz he owned an F10 M5 that was the typical BMW wallet-siphoning experience. Dude likes to track his cars and that one always overheated
I'm watching this in late 2023, thinking about buying one, because now they've depreciated into the high $40,000 range. Seems like a great value for a person like me! In the past, I've had 911s and I've gotten caught up in the competition for more and more power and speed. I'm over it. The negatives described in this video just don't bother me much.
Exactly???
I paid 54k for a 2021 M850 gran coupe with a 125k bmw platinum extended warranty for 3.5k. It's the exact spec I would have ordered. It was not the best deal but it a fair one. I have had a merc, rovers, and a lexus. The inside isn't exciting, but it's the most efficient cabin i have been in by far.121k was the sticker price, which is overpriced. But 54k with 40k miles with 125k dealer warranty is a value. 4 doors 0 to 60 3.4 that was my personal best is a lot of car. Get one used it's worth it. Open to other's thoughts in comments.
@@3825004 I ended up buying a 2020 Jaguar F-Type R instead. I still love the 8 series though!
I'm thinking the same, especially since they've got the B58 in there. Should be as reliable as anything else with the B58.
“Doesn’t have gimmicks like Lexus”
*Draws circles with finger*
@@tomkat492 No it's 98% reliable the other 2% is using old parts to get that 98%. Styling is subjective, especially when the cars sell.
@@tomkat492 As a Lexus/Toyota fanboy I feel personally attacked....
.... but that engine sound is no gimmick!!
His point is more that the core experience is straight forward. You don't have to use gestures. Tactile inputs where you need them and a good infotainment
@@tomkat492 Based on what?
So BMW is basically trying to charge 20K more for and updated 6 series? They axed the 6 because it wasn't selling and this 8 series looks like it's headed for the same fate lol
yup it's ridiculous. That 20k gets you less room in the backseats than the current 4 and old 6 despite how large this car is lol
S550 coupe used or.msrp is just as expensive. They're trying to compete with merc
Waqas Akhtar Except the S550 is better in every way. Even has a V8.
Fact is, it’s a 5 series coupe.
@@eriknephrongfr8847 Yep, the same reason nobody bought the 6 Series.
These are $40k in 2024 and are an INCREDIBLY good buy in my eyes now
Shhhhhh. I’m jumping at 35k 😂😂
LOL at the Goose just smiling the entire time Jack is talking about its redeeming qualities.
Jack is trying really hard to convince his "dad" to purchase the M840i for him in this video
This is a total old man car.
Good summary!
There is no M840i
@@mczeljk ok
@@mczeljk k
I *finally* understand the "savage" part. Dayum!!!
Truth hurts. I love it.
I know. He could give 2 shits about bmw nowadays.
The M2 comp, M240i, M3, and M340i are all decent cars. Everything else in the BMW lineup is meh.
Werd up. He actually gets pissed! That’s why i love the SG!
I think he feels obligated to protect people from making idiotic purchases, if his video can stop one person from wasting an insane amount of money on a mediocre car he’s gonna do his best to get that accomplished
You know why this channel is awesome? You get real honest reviews and the chemistry between the hosts is perfect. You get a humor, honestly, ability to hear the engine roar, and great production of the entire video. I look forward to new videos. Keep up the amazing and entertaining work!!
By Suggestion an Edit- This was an experience I had with this model from BMW, not as much to do with the Brand, one saved my life before, and they can produce one hell of an auto, and on this occasion selling it put food on the table for the week, I am grateful for the market that provides this, on the other hand it gets concerning as the resources it takes to build/sell just one car, the manufacturing, use of natural resources, debts, etc. I love the design and care they have to engineer a near 50/50 weight balance, how you can usually take 75% of whats next to you at a stoplight, I am a fan of all that but, this is a vehicle for the moment it seems, and not one for long term enjoyment, its a machine that requires lots of care, making sure it doesn't get keyed, buying tires after being surprised at how fast they need looking after, the joy of driving can become an expensive hobby. Sometimes its not a thought for some owners, wealthy or not, thats where I think the priorities of building and wanting a car like this can be fun and enjoyable but it can take a toll on the future, I have the honor of being around them daily, Love our customers who drive them, you do make the world go round, some deals make sense, just be cautious about what you consume and take care of what you do. I now return you to your regularly scheduled programming. )
I was lucky enough to sell one when they first came out, the client had an M3 he was keeping(ended up trading with 16k negative equity) and wanted a mazda CX3 as a winter beater, Since he had BMWs I told him about the M850 now being all wheel drive, so he decided to buy it and drove it home, it was a 2300 lease payment:(, the last time I followed up with him, 1 year into ownership, he had to get rid of it because of divorce, sad. You mean that guy?
2300/month. oh my god lol. talk about living above your means
@@doctorhonda111 How do you know that was above his means?
Video is uploaded 1 hour ago ,and your comment is 16 hour ago 🤔
@@click9914 you either have money, or you spend money. Not many people can do both
The 8 series GC hasn't even been out for a year tho right 🤔
Adjusted for inflation, a 1987 635csi was $100k so this is nothing new for BMW. I think the early 90s 8 series was probably even more expensive. in today's dollars. Both were big, heavy (for their day) GT autobahn cruisers mostly driven by bankers.
Anyway, I've noticed that Mark tends to get very agitated about expensive european cars and the perceived person who drives them. He kind of spirals into scotty kilmer-esque nonsensical rants at times. The whole thing about the car should only cost 60 (then later he says 40)- really?! Dude- you can barely get a 6 cylinder 4 series coupe for that amount.
I'm not a fan of this car either, but it's totally worth the price given the engineering and attention to detail.
There are reasons why European cars had such inflated prices in the 80s and 90s. Please study why. You need to look at EU prices to be fair. This car is not nearly as differentiated as the E31 was from other BMW products or even the previous 6 series. 6 series was the flagship before the 8.
Regulatons, expenses tripled for corporation In 30 yrs left moron
9:50 LOL the way the smile deteriorates from Jack's face kills me
12:33 and the eye roll lmao
😂😂😂
japanwatchconnection he just doesn't like this car, rather have two sides to this car vs just straight milking a BMW just because they both like it and not being realistic
Jack eyerolled because he is a BMW fanboy and didn't like being called a douchebag.
I understand why Jack feels that way. If you put aside the price and look at it as a car, it's a very competent, well engineered and well thought-out car. Almost every argument i heard on the 8 series is the price. Lets not forget the original 8 series was horrendously overpriced back in the 90s and thats why it didnt sell. I'm willing to bet we will be singing this car praises in 20 years. Another case in point, the Z8.
@@ilovelimpfries Yep, the 8er is great objectively and it is somewhat nicer inside than lesser BMW models. The price is what it is, probably on purpose as to keep it niche. Could have they done more on the interior to distinguish it from other models? Sure. Does it lack character? It does if you are used to older cars, which were louder, rougher, less synthetic and had imperfections you've grown to love over time. But cars nowadays are trying to be the opposite and with emission, safety and other regulations are becoming more bloated, refined and isolated. That's true with all cars, not just the 8er or BMWs in general. And for a vehicle at this price point, Jack said it also, it would be a travesty to be loud and rough (but had "character"). The target buyer wants it to be quiet and loud when needed, that's why you have the fake exhaust, car reviewers need to understand this and get used to it.
This is exactly how car reviews should be done...always honest and extremely objective points of view. Car manufacturers have for years been lazy and I think finally we have had enough.
Lazy? How?
@@SpartanArmy117 Yea. I'm not the market for this but I can imagine some retired dentist might want a sporty coup with the feel of luxury instead of character. They want something more usable and less raw than a Porsche. They don't want something small like the Z4 or the Supra. It's too much money for what you get? Some people in their twilight years want to live a little. I'm not sure why this is so confusing. I would never buy this but I can see why someone would.
@@akkando come on, realize that it's msrp is actually right on par with the s7 (doesnt matter it has more power but it's heavier so has the same performance numbers) and I don't expect him to diss the s7 anytime soon. And, yes, implying this is a douchey car for rich d-bags is just not the usual class we have come to expect
BMW make $5000usd net profit on a bmw built in Germany , they probably make less than 10000usd net profit on a 8 series
I'd still go LC500 at this price range... But as someone who usually doesn't like BMW style, this car is GORGEOUS
Too landboaty for me.
The designers said they based the styling off the s550 mustang
When he said 120k, it's exactly what i tought. Might not be as fast but god does it looks better inside/out
I think the 840 is boring looking from the front and the rear end is extremely ugly with the fake vents and fake exhaust tips.
I usually like BMW exterior styling. But this car looks cool for the first 5 minutes. Compare it to the old 8-series this looks boring.
$100K+? Small rear seats? Massive curb weight?
Buy a 911....
Right. A new 911 is just as luxurious or much more enjoyable when you want it to be.
*Standing Ovation* Always go 911.
Why isn't there more likes??? Preach man 🔥🔥🔥... Porsche is the way to go
what if you want a gt
@@thebobsagetguy get a panamera
$101k buys 5 bmw 840i’s in three years.
More like 2.
not sure you would want to buy a 3 year old bmw 840i!
Jake Carter, true, even after getting a new Bmw (three weeks after purchase), I was stuck driving a 3 series for a week for bad quality control. Prior to that, I drove loaners 6+ times (36 month period) while waiting for my car to get fixed for simple electric stuff, and on engine lights.
3 of which would be undrivable in 4 years
101k buys 5 new Corolla LE sedans and you will have money left over. I was cross shopping the 2020 BMW 840i and the 2020 Toyota Corolla LE sedan and the Corolla was more fun to drive. Seriously. The Corolla is a lot lighter and because of the all-new TNGA platform, had excellent handling and driving characteristics. Plus I can buy the Corolla for 18k out the door (you have to negotiate hard) while this overpriced German junk is over 100k. Plus Corolla has naturally aspirated bulletproof 1.8 liter engine so more reliable than the B58 turbo engine.
It's really cool that you guys view the underside of the car, I have not seen any other reviewers do that. It's really interesting to see all the differences underneath.
Mark over here ready to repeat the Escape review.
Jack trying to save the review with a little objective view.
This car should be like $75,000 to $80,000
Well it is without options.
I’ll wait a few years and get it a little cheaper
yeah when it cliff dives, it's going to be about $25k
@@jwell1160 But then with the maintenance, buying this used wouldn't even be worth it unless you knew what you were doing. Ultimately, better alternatives exist.
@@MRTOWELRACK might not be even that bad given its built using BMW's workhorse b58 engine and zf 8 speed transmission. Suspension doesn't seem much different from the 5 series, might be actually identical.
The title reminds me of the Bob Barker Scene from Happy Gilmore. “The price is wrong B****.”
Literally this!!
basicaly a more expensive 6 series... and they don't sell 6 anymore.... but nobody want a 8 used...
Not a BMW fan but I love the way this car looks, especially on the road.
Love the honesty.
Which is lost with almost EVERY other car reviewer that would have completely been giving a positive fake review. This is why I watch him
screw value, it's a sweet ride! I ordered my 840i xDrive in a special color that ran me an extra $5k. Can't wait for late December delivery of my one-of-a-kind.
ps...I'm not a rich guy. I just have good taste. ;)
Enjoy your car to the fullest because one only lives once. And please also accept my heartfelt congratulations on your acquiring this artful piece of engineering.
@@ghq8982 it is worth only 50k
9:54: "Slab of Worthlessness", please don't sugarcoat your feelings :-)
Haha, you noticed it too!? xD
Miloš Sindjelič Noticed what?
@@gtmike916 the smile and attitude towards the car where he praises it with irony
@@miloslogic it's a typical Midwestern passive aggressiveness, Mr. Geese didn't discover anything new here
It's not worthless... though it is 25 grand over priced.
This would feel great to a guy who's worked hard and come into some money, decides to trade in his Malibu. He doesn't want to track it, doesn't live based on 0-60 times, but wants a well-built reward for his hard work. More power to him. But I hope it doesn't break him to own it.
Id take the Lexus LC500 over this, ty.
Easily
Fully agree with Ya me to love Japanese u get it all at a lower price than the Germans
200% agree. I don't care if it's not in the same class as the BMW or any other pedantry like that. If I want a 2+2 luxury coupe that will evoke emotion and last forever on basic maintenance, then I'm getting the LC500.
@@gns942 And that SOUND. My god it sounds sooooo good. Second best sounding car I've ever heard in person. Number one was the LFA lol.
Honestly yes it looks much more interesting and beautiful then this car. It’s also faster and the leather on the inside is next level
Best driving and looking car on the rood today. And sounds best too!
I'd rather have a thirty year old 8 series
That car is a legend.
@Zombie Head wow you can get old 840i here in the US for pretty cheap. Most people want the v12
Tell 'em! E31 CSi all day! Hell, I'd even settle for a E31 840i
Spending 100k in the shop
Or a 20 yrs old 540 or a 15 yrs old e63 or S6.
I think the interior design is great, especially in this color combination, which the satin aluminium trim compliments beautifully. Such a clean and modern design, but I also appreciate the flowing waterfall control stack into the center console. So many car makers have moved away from that flowing waterfall style, which I find disappointing.
As a BMW fan and couldn’t agree more on this review. Hard to comprehend this 840i is on the same category of the Lexus LC. This Bmw for 60k would be awesome. Remember the corvette is always fun until it gets to the Porsche money.
Yep, cpo. Actually might be able to get it for 70ish new since its actual msrp is 80. 100k is with a lot of options
The Lexus LC is so much sexier and more Beautiful in every way. From the gorgeous perfect interior top notch materials and reliability out of that DELICIOUS sounding 5.0 N/A V8 it’s and absolute work of art. This bmw could never live up to compete with that
Hard to comprehend what? The 8-series in a V8 trim is a much faster, better handling, with a more spacious interior, better gearbox and a better infotainment system. It is also more rigid and lighter thanks to that carbon core. A NA V8 exhaust note is nice, but it doesn't define the whole car.
@@805NAVE That's subjective. Hideous headlamps are almost becoming a Lexus brand value at this point and the interiors are an over styled mess across the board, the LC being a prime example of that. Not to mention the design is the culprit of it being cramped when it didn't have to be. It's supposed to be a GT car.
Cheaper to build cars in USA and you don't need to ship a corvette from Germany saving business shipping costs either , in Germany union leaders and Government are cancer to business which pushes up production costs to build BMW why consumers pay more, the net profit margins on a bmw built $5000 , the net profit bmw germany corporaton make 10%
This video encapsulates why I’ve been watching for years. You tell it like it is from your point of view which is so rare in a lot of car reviewers. As always great reviews
My 13 year old 3 series wagon sounds like an exotic car compared to the droning of this car. Seriously, wth is bmw thinking?
They think it's more refined to block out all engine noise and then replace it with a god awful fake engine sound through the speakers. You can even look at the M5, and there is ZERO engine noise, but rather the fake sound from the speakers. You go into any AMG car and all you can hear is that exhaust and lovely engine sound.
And that old 3 series 100% has better steering feel than this car. I'm a big fan of the E90 generation :)
bassandtrebleclef $$$$$ bills
Not every car has to have a loud "exotic sound", nor do you need to feel every imperfection in the road. This car is obviously meant for that executive who wants a nice 4 door that has great passing power on the freeway and a ton of technology. Personally I like a car that can get me from point A to point B comfortably, my days of driving a manual were left back in the 90s, and when I'm looking for a smooth comfortable ride the last thing I want to hear is the engine screaming.
marlon Covington you can just buy a used 635 and feel the same thing. Aside from the interior it literally looked like my f10 535...no where near 80k better
60 second in and I had to pause and make this comment. The production value on this video is amazing. Your team should win an award. This is movie level cinematography and edits. Bravo.
I think that main problem with this BMW is that this is 6 series with 8 series name and price tag attached to it.
It is basically the same exact car lol.
EXACTLY
Business costs gone up in Germany, since 6 series was built yrs ago
👍🏼
The Gran Coupe version of the 8 Series is the best "value" in the lineup. I had one for about a month as a loaner and enjoyed it immensely.
It should be noted that no one is paying anywhere near MSRP for these. Average discount sits around 15-20% off, so this car would be closer to $80K. Still a shit-ton of money, but not six figures.
Savage Remember luxury motors out near O’Hare? I’d say in about 07 they had a beautiful white e31 that still felt special even though it was in a warehouse full of lambos , astons and Ferrari’s. I mean here is 13k car in a warehouse full of giants and it still shined. The problem with this new 8 is that it will never stand out, it will never be special.
The tail lights stand out at night, that's for sure. But that's the only positive thing I can say about the car...
Heh, a friend and I went to Luxury Motors and did an extended test drive to Wisconsin with a maroon E31 850i many years ago.
Picked up an M850i used, close to showroom condition with an extended warranty for less than half of the new price. Absolutely incredible car.
From where? I need this
Just think, the depreciation of this every year could buy you a Corolla
@Cevair Zufer or a bus pass
@japanwatchconnection Unlike most cars. They'll keep running even with poor maintenance.
japanwatchconnection The new Corolla is quite nice, at least the one I rented.
@japanwatchconnection for $100,000, this is a pretty big penalty box too. So many better options for the money, and these cars will depreciate 80% within 5 years
@japanwatchconnection Gee I own a Tesla. I must hate cars.
The current 8 series should be named what it really is in disguise, a 6 series, it doesn't look or feel anything like anyone would imagine a true 8 series successor would. We all theorized that the new 8 series would be the i8 with a v12 in the back or something crazy like that in order to be the true BMW flagship. But the 8 series we have, in a weird way, is the BMW flagship. It represents the shift from well engineered, well build cars that were very fun an engaging to drive, to a brand that's just has a badge to flex and you know it's going to be effortless to drive around town or on the highway. Luckily the M2 still exists, but who knows how long they'll still offer an affordable, 'traditional' BMW.
If this car remained the 6-series nameplate and price tag it would’ve been perfect
For the person who keyed this vehicle: "Just because you can't afford something does not mean you have to hate it!". But, The poor sales of this vehicle will speak for itself on how appealing it really is.
14:15 the panel gaps are good? It looks like the right side of the hood is popped it's so bad.
I bet it's not closed all the way. No way it can be that bad.
@ it's premium feature
It wasn't closed
Look at 15:16
@@QueenGoesYT Saw a sticky hood latch on a '19 X5. Had to almost SLAM it shut. This looks similar. No mass-produced car is going to have perfect panel gaps, but BMW is about as good as it gets. No way a car (without a Tesla badge) leaves the factory with a defect like that.
This car would be a great buy in 10 years. A reliable b58 and the comfort/looks for 20k. Nice
Finally, the real review is up.
I bought a 2019 540i with this same power plant and kept it three months. I agree, it was boring. However I traded it not for the 840, but the m850i. The entire character of the car changed. It is a very fast, very competent handling vehicle with the ability to switch over into a luxury glider. It has all wheel drive which is a great advantage over the Lexus LC where I live, allowing me to use it all year. At the price point of $112K there really isn't anything that can match it other than an F-Type, but with way less tech and rough for daily use, the 911 4S is much higher and does not really carry the comfort and tech modes as well. Must admit, I bought a 2019 in 2020, making the price much more palatable. Wish you guys would test the m850i!
It's a bmw
They didn’t key you because it’s an 8-series.. They keyed you because it’s an 8-series *with Jersey tags*, broski.
Yours truly,
Zip code 07011
LMFAO you arent wrong
West coast guy here, I don't get it. Could you please explain?
@@acrspeed people don't like NJ, people also don't like people from NJ, hell people who live in NJ don't like other people who live in NJ because there are too many of them.
I thought this was shot in Illinois?
Dan R it was, however, BMWoA has a major corporate HQ in NJ.. I used to work next door to it in Woodcliff Lake. I used to see all sorts of models driving in the neighborhood ahead of their official NA release.
I don’t know what this guy is talking about but this car is an absolute legend. It’s beautiful, it’s luxurious and where I live everybody absolutely loves it.
Finally a BMW that will help incriminate its driver with parking cams :D
After Lexus dropped the LC500 on the automotive community like a nuke I can't possibly fathom being attracted to this gold encrusted cookie cutter. Sad times for BMW.
LC500 isn't anything great. Horrible Infotainment, far to heavy and unbalanced, and the driving dynamics suffer etc...Toyota is far behind there German competitors when it comes to to building a modern day Luxury sports sedan. They instead focused there R&D on building conservative sedans and SUv's with the prime goal of reliability not performance nor keeping up with modern day competitive performance driven mechanical innovations.
Paul J the infotainment is not that bad, you’ll get use it. I have Apple CarPlay in mine, so I rarely use the infotainment. The interior design and materials are super amazing, the exterior is so special and unique. The engine sound is superb, it does 0-100 km in 4.5sec, handles very well in S+ and it’s reliable. What else do you need?
@japanwatchconnection But, just look at it! This 840 is a shrinking violet compared to the LC.
13:17 Jack looks so sad 😔
Hi Guys! Big Fan here! Longtime supporter. I don’t disagree with you often, but you summed it up perfectly in the last part of the video. It’s a 9/10 in what it was meant to do. It was never meant to be a Supra, a Z4, or anything like that. That’s why BMW makes the Z4. This is for someone who wants the isolation, the luxury, the “engineering.” It IS a sports car. It’s ALSO a luxury vehicle.
BMW tries to make a Mustang GT
Yeah, for some reason I see a mustang when I look at this cars side and rear quarter profiles.
And fails .... spectacularly
More like Mustang EcoBoost in this trim level...
@japanwatchconnection it is certainly nicer than the real Mustang. But not 2.5-3 times nicer.
japanwatchconnection By well built you mean falling apart at 40k miles and costing 40% of its price tag in maintenance? No thanks.
We as enthusiasts do a disservice to car culture when we judge the preferences of others. Sure, this car doesn’t do what an enthusiast might want but it’s great that BMW has the ability to design, build, and offer it. It’s still a great car for the person who likes its attributes, and that doesn’t make that person a douche.
Doesn't the Supra have the same engine and transmission, but with less mass and more character?
Erichhh and the M240i ... which would save you tens of thousands
@Open Ranks same block?
Erichhh so Does every other bmw ending In 40i, people don’t buy this car for the performance and transmission.
Open Ranks it’s the corporate BMW 3.0 straight six and ZF 8 speed. So yeah, it’s the same thing bar minor changes.
Mark crapped on it because of the $100k price. Agreed....4 yrs ago.... But.....2020 840i's have depreciated TREMENDOUSLY down to $40k's. He said it's one of the best looking modern day BMW's and a "9 out of 10" in terms of design and an engineering marvel..... he's a buyer at $60k. Guess what?.... 4 yrs ago, Luxury Asshat Snobs bought them at $100k ...but now in the present day.......Lucky and Smart Enthusiasts recognizing an amazing machine can buy em used at $40k-$45k. And the added bonus is.....B58 turbo six has proven it is the reliable comically tuneable european 2JZ ....just make sure to stay on top of coolant hose leaks and you are golden....... high end BMW special car without the typical fragile oil burning bmw motor.......... NO BRAINER deal in the present day.
That goose smile at 8 or so is killer! But no way way man, maybe at 60k, but 100K. It’s been designed for the margin improvement guru at BMW.
There only 8k net profit in a 8 series built in Germany for corpraton idiot
"and i couldnt care less"
pretty much perfectly sums up how I feel about a huge portion of the, very technically impressive, modern cars that are being made.
"poverty-spec 8-series" 🤣😂🤣
In poverty because you wasted all your money on the wrong car!
How can such an understated car be "douchy" though - regardless of price? It gets douchy when people lower it (destroy the ride quality), put carbon-fiber-everything on it, black grille, black tipped exhaust, black wheels, a worthless front lip spoiler, a worthless trunk spoiler, a worthless rear bumper skirt, tinted headlights, tinted tail lights, blacked-out windows, intakes that add 0 hp, obnoxious exhausts that add 10 hp, and a BootMod3 tune that has more snap, crackle, and pop than a 4th of July fireworks extravaganza.
I love how you get right to business in your videos instead of drawing out some ridiculous intro.
I've been saying FOR YEARS car should come with integrated dash cams. It's so easy for them to hide a camera instead of me having a giant piece of gear that almost blocks my view and having the wire dangling.
dpajc056 my Garmin 66W isn’t huge and works great but yes wire hanging. And a manufacturer will try to charge $995 for theirs. And it’s a privacy issue. I rather have a Garmin that I can pull down in case I rear end a vehicle.
In AUS this car can be easily 200K and the M8 close to 400K it’s god damn heart shattering
Cobba hall but you have kangaroos
nah, we just poor xd
Jesus Christ..... 200K ?
yeah but aussie money is worthless. In Turkish Lira this car is well over 2million
@@lav1daloca Government luxury taxes are huge in Australia, take that into consideration.
Did you catch the person who keyed the car because of the onboard dashcam?
@14:16 : the panel gals are great... HUGE BONNEt GAPS
Yeah I was barely paying attention to the video and I said "holy shit" out loud when I saw that. Crazy
For a second i thought that was meant to be like that until I realised the left and the right side have 1/4 inch differences lol
Guys, at least watch more footage in the video before you create your own echo chamber of idiocy. It obviously wasn't closed properly.
@@JAnx01 it is not idiocy. It is hilarious when the presenter says there are not panel gaps while huge panel gaps are shown in the video (irrelevant if it is because the bonnet is not closed properly).
Maybe he chose to put the clip of the bonnet while talking about gaps as an irony
looks like it's bent or something. later it shows a lower front shot and that gap isn't there. they said it had been keyed but maybe there was more to it.
All German flagship cars (from BMW, MB and Audi) are now over £100k brand new. The Audi RS6 which is a wagon is also over £100k too. Inflation, new technology, and the cost of emission penalties is driving up the costs of car production in Europe.
Its overpriced? One can say that about every new car on the lot!
Yep and look at alllllll the money printing going on because of Corona...
Buckle up baby. And buy a horse.
Cars are about to get even MORE expensive!!!
You can get a loaded G70 3.3T under $45k all day long maybe even $40k-$42k OTD if you lean in hard enough. It's an M340i competitor that runs $70k with the same options. I consider that a pretty good value.
Compact cars are still reasonably priced. If you want a new Corolla or a Civic, you get a lot for your money, and they'll take you from point A to point B comfortably.
@@hamsterama civic , corolla there only $1000 less wholesale price from factory , there no money in these cars new
Germany is a left social democracy country
On the used market this model with the B58 is actually worth a look.
We can tell who's the BMW fanboy 😜
the i8 looked way more special for a similar price. not saying it was a great car overall, but it definitely had the wow factor you'd expect with a 6 figure price tag.
And it was as slow as my WRX STi lol.
Liked this review. Made me smile.
You guys don't get it. This is a halo car for the BM. Many people will drool over this but will then put on their sensible hat on, go into a dealership and buy a 520d or a 530 for 50.000. They will then think they got a deal of a lifetime for getting 90% of the 8-series experience for 1/2 the price.
BMW is not bothered about not selling these. It is helping build the brand up so that they can sell more 3 and 5 series cars which is their bread and butter.
Whoever buys one may be an a-hole, but whoever keyed that car is a bigger one.
Well, what can I say, well done sir. Reviewing and shitting on BMWs is guaranteed to bring views, likes, dislikes and lots of comments. BMW fans will watch it trying to hear something positive about their cars, haters will watch it to validate their negative views. Seems like there’s no middle ground there, people either like or hate BMWs. I think the main issue with this and many other luxury cars in this segment is their cost. MSRP for 840i is very similar to that of the s7, and performance numbers are very similar despite the s7 having nearly an extra 100hp. But there’s not much hate going on for the S7 or other Audis in the geese’s videos. Also, the 840i is not a whole lot slower than the recently reviewed e53 amg, and also has a similar msrp. No hate there either. And the comments about the 840i being so douchey it got keyed - man, this is not the car’s problem, this is these lunatics problem who can’t stand that other people can have nice things. They were taught that you shouldn’t be a tall puppy and if you are, you deserve to be torn down.
Well, that was the last BMW for Savagegeese…. Although I do agree with the conclusions, I don't agree to talk so disdainly about the clientèle of this car. BMW cannot help that there are rich people wanting a clean, effortless drive with a posh BMW badge on it. BMW makes use of this to double the price of the car. But well, wouldn't you?
"you have some screws lose to buy this car" That pretty much sums it up. It pretty much is a match made in heaven for the douche who is going to buy it.
@@vvk But BMW knows that which is why their lease deals work. No one buys an M3 with the competition package because its a stupid idea to buy a 90k M3 but to lease it, the numbers always seem better. And folks looking for BMW's latest and greatest will lease away.
BMW Germany probably.doesnt even make $10000 net profit on 8 series built in Germany factory, there a big difference to turnover from sales and net profit which left political leaders don't mention
When 100K is poverty spec
Don't worry you can get 92 month financing at 6.99%
The m850i has more performance to justify the price, but even that car starting at $120k sounds insane! The 8 series needs a price adjustment. The m8 starts at $133,000, the slower, less performance models should be priced accordingly.
and it still looks like a mustang
I’ve leased one in the UK for considerably less than an M340i - I’d be surprised if similarly huge discounts are not available elsewhere.
They thought they'd fool everyone by calling the new 6 series an 8 series and then moving every model $20k upmarket.
@@mackie1001 I don't see that as remotely possible in the US. The M850i stickers for twice the M340i ...why would anyone lease a 330i if you could have an M850i
The 8 series will be a great value in 3-4 years when it's worth about half of what you pay now
wow that was super harsh lol. The interior is actually really nice, i like the simplicity. The price of any modern car is ridiculous
Blame government and union leaders greed why new cars cost more
I guess mr geese isnt getting any more BMW to review.
So are you kind of admitting that other car reviewera sugarcoat their reviews to continue getting more cars...
@@Toyota4Life They all do it.
He doesnt need the douche bag soulless car brand. Only for rich wankers.
Timothy Clark stereotype much?
Timothy Clark That’s a stupid comment.
It does make sense for the buyer who wants the 8 series body and doesn't feel the need for more power, but the price is still steep.
Would rather have a Supra at 1/2 the price. Have to admit, the 8 Series in this color is pretty sharp.
Supra is a 2 seater unfortunately.
For this 100k price, I'd buy an LC500 tbh.
@Green Mills It's a 2 seater sports car.
Damn Jack was arguing with a brick wall in this one. Lol. The hate was palpable
Savagegeese is hard to impress.
Man I thought you guys were going to go Full Englewood on each other for a moment there.
Never go Full Englewood
The fact that any person would choose this over a 911 or an LC blows my mind
Great review! You’re both right crazy money Mark there’s more out there for the money but Jack knows who buy these cars and so many people will just buy it because the badge says Bmw...
Not sure I really get the hate for this car here. The whole 'car for rich people' thing could be applied to near enough any Mercedes above a C class, the majority of which won't handle anywhere near as well the 8 series. I also don't get the price complaints; it's a luxury GT, it's not going to be 3-series money. $100k definitely won't get you inside an Aston Martin or Bentley, so it's not as if it's trying to compete with those cars.
4:36 the right side of the diff cover is already leaking.
I had one of these for a week and it was AWESOME to drive. I didn’t want to take it back. It was so fun but felt so safe. It handled the road well. And it was FAST.
Goose owned a BMW before. He knows. His wallet also knows...
7:04 : "I know you're in sport mode because I can hear that fake engine noise". I ABSOLUTELY love this guy. I'm a huge BMW fan, I've had many. But their post-2012 BS with turbo 4's, electric steering, and fake engine noise is just lost on me. Just get a Jetta and be done with it. "$100,000 slab of worthlessness" best line ever.
I feel sad bc all the BMWs in my area are super goddamn expensive if they're not completely broken prior to 2012, I wish I could get to experience those cars because they were what I desired when I was a kid.
“Somebody keyed this car.” Mark, we’ve got our eye on you!
Don’t hate the player hate the game. Prior to buying this car I owned a 17m6 and before that a 15cls63. This car blows both of them away! May not be as fast but way more practical and just as much fun. I’ve owned them all 911’s and Ferrari’s this is the best car so far !
Mark, if you and Jack were given the GranCoupe (4dr) version of the 840i, would you have a slightly different perspective on it? The 2dr 8 series tend to be compared a lot to a 911 but aside from the likes of the M8, I reckon BMW set their priority on 'grand touring' over 'spirited driving' for non 'M' 8 series cars. Maybe I misunderstood what you said in the 'final thoughts' section.
Exactly. Even though it's a BMW, that doesn't mean every car they make is designed to be driver-focused. It's not even an M model, or even the M Performance variant. I don't think many people are going to consider an 8 Series when they want a connected driving feel as much as possible, as they would look at the 4 Series.
Its needs to be faster for the price but I'd consider it, BMW treats customers like GOLD. The experience as a new BMW owner over the past 8yrs has been significantly more pleasant than other brands.
Love the rant. How sad to see what has become of the "ultimate driving machine". I'd rather have an E30 325i.
Seems like Kia/Hyundai has taken that away.
JoshCraver9000 Well you can thank Albert Biermann, but I like where he’s at now a lot better :)
Drive the new 340i so much fun
@@JoshCraver9000 nah doesn't compare to the 340i
Save the carbon core bullshit for the higher trims. BMW corporate dropped the ball trying to sell a base model that starts at $87,900. Absurd. The people obsessed with driving dynamics to the point where they want carbon fiber built into the frame are not going to opt for the base model full size coupe. This all seems obvious, maybe we're the idiots
Hey guys, have y’all done a review on the newish Lincoln Continental? I can’t find it in your library and would really like your take on it. Thank you
You just answered yourself.
Might as well get the G90 over continental. G90 is a huge step up in luxury.
TheAngryDuckman nah, for the continental, that probably competes with the g80, since the continental starts at $46,000 and the g80 starts at $47,000
The Conti Black Edition (black on beige) has a special interior.
The banter was awesome. And somehow I took Mr. Goose' commentary as more sincere and to the point despite Jack's gargantuan efforts to lift it up.
I'll stick with my Porsche thank you.
Fa Ab ignorant.
@Fa Ab this makes no sense, are you talking about the cayenne?
Keith Vargas amen Same here!
Porsche is the way to go🔥💯... No 2 ways about it 👊👊
In the simplest terms possible:
BMW 8 series: Overcharging German accountant
Lexus LC500: Elite Japanese chef
@japanwatchconnection Not exactly. They've gone down but the LC has been in coupe form only. The BMW sales figures for 2019 (4,410) include convertible, coupe, and M8. Let's see if Lexus improves with LCF and convertible models.
Lexus also sells much less of all models total than BMW. You must look at the percentage of total sales.