Part of the problem with the Classic is the whole "can't headshot without a full charge" thing. My friend who plays Highlander told me that it would be really good without that penalty. But here's a fun fact: in TFC, the sniper rifle COULD score headshots at low charge. Yes, they actually nerfed this gun in the transition from TFC to TF2
Thus, saying that changing the gun's stats isn't "true to the TFC sniper rifle" is rather redundant. Like... seriously, at least give the low charge minicrit headshots. The resulting damage increase should bring down light classes at about half charge, which is pretty much exactly what the TFC sniper rifle can do as well.
@@h4724-q6j Thats not his point. FSoaS said in the end that the Classic shouldnt be changed because then it would lose its identity, but the thing is that the weapon is already much diffirent than the actual classic since you cant get headshot crits unless fully charged.
well yea, the only downside then would be that you did 10% less damage on body shots which for the added gimmick would be a pretty fine payoff. Only downside to that is that you can't 1-shot body shot full health medics or eyelander demos.
@@nplt8392 Not really. Charge and fire independent of zoom, with -10% damage on body shot. Sounds good to me, since the upside isn't actually that big a deal for most snipers
@@whensomethingcriesagain imagine in competitive or anything really with snipers that have near aim bot aim holding down a choke point tapping heads without the downside that scoping takes time and gives a bigger blind spot.
I suppose being an old school quaketf/tfc player I think differently. It’s easier for me to abuse, but I do enjoy the basic/machina more. (The machina being almost the opposite of the classic)
the scout from team fortress 2 sorry for the confusion. I mean to say the machina which only fires when zoomed in (and uses tracer rounds) is kinda the opposite of the classic, which you can fire without zooming.
the scout from team fortress 2 lol yes. I’m trying to say the machine is “more opposite”, because you can still use the other sniper rifles without zooming in to an extent. Though if I’m being honest, I still use quick zoom/fire at close range with the machina with some success
Is nobody gonna mention how the classic's laser model moves randomly? Every time you use it it's in a different spot. Sometimes it's miles above your gun, other times it's coming straight out the scope. I really wanna know why this happens because it bugs me so much.
Im pretty sure the laser is a jigglebone, like how the fish flops around in first person or the milk and jarate swish around in their jars. Infact, with the fish or milk, try flicking the camera around really fast with them out, and you can visibly see them glitch out hard. That's why the classic does that, it's the same code as those.
@@valkaerie8715 that both makes too much sense and no sense at all. Jigglebone physics have no place in a laser, which will always be rigid and is supposed to stay in a consistent spot at all times.
Michael VeVea he actively plays TF2 though, there’s really no point in dropping money on a game you won’t actually play actively. A lot of people go by the “Hour per Dollar” rule (basically you should expect one hour of playtime per dollar/euro/whatever spent)
Pybro I don’t mean a game needs to cost as much as what you get out of it, but it isn’t worth if there isn’t enough content to fill the space. If you buy a game for €50 then expect at least 50 hours of content, or 30 hours of really fucking good content
4:45 interesting fact! there's another sniper primary that can't fire while the Sniper is in the air: the Huntsman. given the similar firing mode, click to charge and release to fire, and this other fact, kiiiinda looks like they used Huntsman code to create the Classic
As someone who exclusively uses the Classic, even going so far as to owning a red, fully kitted one, all I want is to be able to fire mid-air. At least let me *defend* myself from soldiers that know how to roll-out and fire around corners.
Funny thing about that: Sniper is supposed to be weak at close range but technically isn't because the Jarate exists and normally you can scope in for an instant 150 crit headshot. This rifle actually gives him a weakness at close range. XD
I realize that I am two years late, but I just wanna say this weapon would be so much better if Sniper was able to see his enemies health like Spy can.
@@gogodogodo3283 you're giving up the ubersaw, the uber farm and 100% crit machine, which is really useful for picking off low health targets, while also getting some uber for easy pushes, just so you can see the enemys health, yeah i think the solemn vow might as well be a stock reskin
@@OGuiBlindao I wish they reworked the solemn vow to be more of a pun on the "do no harm" thing, like make it deal extra damage at the cost of a slower firing speed or something and remove the seeing health stat completely
How to make classic balance. Do what he said but nerf the movement for sniper to be as slow as the heavy when charging. Most importantly, allow us to ACTUALLY FIRE THE DAMN THING WHILE JUMPING OR UNDERWATER.
There is few interesting things of Classic Sniper Rifle. I appear to know, that in Team Fortress Classic this weapon has 2 extra abilities: 1. Increased knockback power to targets in airborne. It works with enemies and allies. 2. If you shoot at the legs, you take 50% less damage. But it slows enemies. So they has to get the healing from aid kits or medics to remove the slow effect. I would like to know your opinion about these features
hey I had a feeling it had the effect on airborne targets, its why I like using it in FF2 because if the hale jumps at me I can shoot em and send em flying back, as for the legs thing had no idea damn, sorta can see it but I usually don't try to hit the mercs legs, too noodly and floppy
I think the leg injury could be implemented onto another weapon. If it were to be brought back onto the classic than it'd have to be only for a couple of seconds.
I think my favorite thing about The Classic is how the laser sight hardly even tries to line up with where its supposed to be on the gun, it just goes wherever it wants.
I definitely love the Classic. You were pretty much on the nose calling it a hitscan Huntsman. No, it's not a god-tier weapon, but it doesn't need to be. It has its moments, and those moments are unbelievably satisfying.
I love it because I'm constantly paranoid that theres going to be some ambush near me, so a sniper rifle that you can look around *and* keep charge is a win win for me
In tfc, was a team destroyer, I killed a lot of medics, soldiers and others snipers with that gun. In tf2, the classic don't make the same damage (and don't know why)
@@andrewmoore7022 pffffff, is almost inposible to do a headshot in tfc, the engine of the game is so clumsy that sometimes if you shot to the legs the game register it as a headshot
@@andrewmoore7022 also, the classic was a beast because of his bodyshot damage, it was enough to kill all the classes except heavy and soldier, with them you would "try" a headshot.
there was also the slow effect where you shoot enemies in the legs to cripple them that might have been a fair contributor, along with any more damage that it would have done
@@elecman748 The headshot hitbox was never scaled to the new character models, which are generally short than the old ones, so you have to aim higher for a headshot.
2:42 quite opposite for me - The Classic was one of my first sniper rifle drops years ago, and i used it so much, i had to re-learn that i dont have to hold M1 to charge
I really love the classic, it's super fun and the gibs make it _so_ satisfying to noscope people. Though they need to either lower the speed reduction or allow headshot without full charge
Too bad even in that role it is outclassed. The Hitman's Heatmaker blows people's heads off and the Shooting Star atomizes them, wich looks way cooler.
I find the Classic super good vs Snipers, actually; pop out from around a corner to have a peek at the battlefield with full charge, find them, and release
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1:32 the weapon is based off the heckler & koch g36,some of you may already know it,some of you dont and this goes for the ones that doesn't,in my opinion,one of the best looking weapon in the game being my favorite the detonator.
Was looking for this, as soon as I recognized that integral sight while playing tf2. I had the realization of oh this is a g36. Prolly never noticed because i am too used to the compact version of the rifle (g36c) that I just never made the connection. This is the closest thing I am gonna get to an automatic rifle in tf2 \_(•-•)_/
I love these videos. They are great for background noise while I do chores, they are paced slow enough that I can follow them when I am tired, and fast enough that when I want a quick video to watch while waiting they are reliable. I hope this helps with your confidence and improving stuff in the future. Keep up the great work!
Pretty good video, surprised at how good it is with a channel as small as yours, hope it grows. Good luck in youtube or wherever the video uploading journey takes you.
11:59 they did this thing in the military with a simaler idea. They made rifles have the ability to have 5 bullets loaded at once, but not automaticly load a bullet so the solders are more accurate and dont waste ammo. You could make the magazine work so of you are being rushed you can still defend yourself. I know the 1803 rifle has this but dont know about other ones.
Glad to see a vid like this exists. I agree on all points, made my own janky steam guide for this weapon last year as well :P I'm almost at 15k kills on my own Classic and seem to regularly infect others with the urge to try out this rifle. Hope you're still doing the same. 11/10 vid!
I feel like the weapon had a pretty good intent at first. Being able to see the whole battlefield, the fact that it is based off of the H&K G36 (H&K, please give us the G36, and not the crappy version you gave us). If you get rid of either the no headshot mechanic or less damage, it could be a pretty unique (all be it, an awkward weapon to use) sniper.
I feel like the H&K SL-8 variant would have jived better with the sniper. Seeing how "The Classic" is a G36, which does having a built in 3x power scope, is still a select fire 5.56 caliber assault rifle, not really a large caliber "sniper" rifle.
I think adding the Classic Automatic mode as a "press R to change sniper rifle to a 75 round SMG with bleeding and/or slowing on hit" as a upside could make it good. would making the Headshot minicrit when not fully charged be good or would it cause conflicts? maybe make it deal more damage(like 20% so -10% plus 20% for plus 10% more damage) to debuffed(slows, milk, burning, bleeeding) foes to make it better?
I love the sound of that gun, its an old HL ambient sound aswell. To the heat shot only work on fully charged part I dont remember in TFC version. The no shooting while of groud thing is sama balancing thig with the hutsman. They realy tried to prevet you to do hiding jumping kills with no scope needed weapons.
"I would'nt be supprised if most new players who unlocked it for the first time were just really confused and couldnt figure out how it works and dropped it in favor of their stock rifle." I played my first game earlier and did exactly this
2:28 I actually named my Classic like that with the describtion "What do you mean it has a scope?" since I don't scope in with it even on longrange (for memes sake). Glad somebody agrees with me hahaha!
@@BlastFM i know you are trying to say: nobody asked. but you saying that makes it seem like people DID ask, but just aren't talking. but then again *_nobody_* *_asked_* *_me_*
A really funny thing to keep an eye out is how much the lazer effect wanders all around the gun, sometimes being completely separate from the gun model
This is my favorite rifle for sniper duels. Sure, the enemy might be smart enough to just aim where your head will be when you land, but usually bunnyhopping like a maniac results in them missing or at least missing your head, and you get to land a fully changed body shot for free and it’s stupid as hell and I love it.
The 10% less damage would be too good. I would just say give the Classic a slow down mechanic when you hit your enemy so you can finish them off with an smg. And make sniper faster while charging.
I guess they get mad when they get killed by it because it’s probably infuriating for them to get killed from the “worst” sniper in the game, especially when taunted after it or they just have anger issues.
i remember going on a killing spree in a x10 server with the classic, no one could stop me.... except for that w+m2 pyro that also kept spamming the scorch shot. Lord i hate that guy
well..both statements are true :V. if you pick sniper and willingly avoid countersniping or prioritizing medics, you might be top fragging, but you are not being useful to advance your team's game state.
I don’t really like the classic but it makes me happy to see this comment. I see so many people getting mad because he doesn’t like the classic but you have a different opinion and just state it without getting mad.
If making every edgelord Anger Sniper instantly ragequit whenever you manage to get the domination after 4 consecutive headshots is considered an utility, then yes it does have an excellent utility.
I think that, considering the source material, the gun should do mini-crit headshots at +50% or +75% charge. Then again, that could add yet another layer of micro-management to the gun when you’re trying to keep man eye on the battle field. Maybe there could be a different sound when you reach mini-crit range?
"5 dollars is too much for a game I'm probably going to play once" has a server clearing pro killstreak classic but only uses it to make a youtube video about how bad it is
You can see how different fish sounds since his fir bad weapon academy video. In this video you can still feel that "New teacher who has a smile on his face all the time" vibes and now it feels like he has been through it all and is waiting for retirement(in that teaching metaphor)
Fun fact: “The Classic” is based on the G36 automatic rifle, which does not make sense as a sniper rifle in TF2/TFC. It would’ve been better as an automatic rifle for soldier, engie, or scout. (Idk for scout since he’s a more shotgun guy. But idk 🤷🏻♂️)
I wonder if they changed it to "no headshots when not zoomed in", what would that do? The idea that you can charge up while keeping awareness of your surroundings, but when it comes to actually headshotting, you need to put the focus back in.
The Classic is a must on a Hightower plagued by market gardens, you can't let yourself get tunnel vision. Still needs to allow quickscoping or at least let crits happen after charging 1/3 of the way, and maybe improve movement speed while charging.
not sure, if I brought this up, but regarding the end: its not directly "ripped" from tfc, there it had two fire modes. the second one was pretty much the stock smg, but integrated in the same rifle- going to tf2, it would make backpack items more of a choice, especially with the charging shots and cozy camper synergy imo. Also in tfc you could slow down enemies with charged legshots for a few sec.
If I want slick ASF, I use the awper hand. When I got it though, I ended up getting it with a name tag/description. "My other AWP is a Deagle" Desc: "No seriously, it is." And I still have no clue why the last owner put it on there.
Probably a reference to CS:GO...? When you buy an AWP and deagle in a round...? Or either use only the Deagle for the entire round...? Definitely not sure but i hope i helped you understand, if what i'm thinking is right
I just use the classic because I'm more used to how sniper type weapons work in Splatoon, so for me it was the stock sniper rifle that took me a while to figure out how the controls work.
Uhh...I main this, I think the thing's God Tier. I'm not a great player but I got a 20 kill streak with this in my first match with it. It's better than anything else at killing scouts, since you can body them without scoping in for an insta kill. Also, it's amazing against enemy snipers, since you can stay out of scope and see the enemy's battlements, then just body them before they can even scope in.
@kevin wall you aren't us. i excell at killing real players with this thing. it's a fun weapon and works if used properly. try actually aiming and using it properly instead of MLG 360 noscope from across the map. there is a learning curve to it that you have to get use to. master this and you will dominate.
@UCdu6Qw4Rc9Rvk4A24yuFQCQ again, WE ARE NOT YOU. i have TRIED to master the sniper rifle. i just suck with it. the original allows me to see what i want to shoot before i scope in. let's see the sniper do that OH WAIT. and can allow me to be aware of everything around me so i don't get tunnel vision like you do with the sniper rifle and ambushes are harder to achieve on a classic because of the charge without scoping in mechanic. yes it has more damage, but putting it out faster? i'd argue no because of the faster charging of the classic. it can still one shot light to medium health classes because it can do 150 on a full charge. face it. it isn't garbage and you just like shitting on those that do better than you with a "superior weapon"
The Sniper Rifle in TFC was actually amazing. It could actually do headshots while not fully charged, the bodyshots did more damage and huge knockback, and in fact you could even use it on teammates with a fully charged shot to give them a huge speed boost or help them jump to high places. Naturally, with TF2 having a completely different pacing from TFC, this could not translate well at all, so they just sorta nerfed it everything good about it and basically missed it's point. If they wanted to give him a TFC weapon they should have gone with the SMG.
In TFC spy had a sleep dart and confusion gas that actually made enemies have audiovisual hallucinations. Scout could drop slowing caltrops, medic could either over heal, or use the med pack on enemies to give them an sti they showed smoking's the enemy ranks until a medic fixes it. All classes had two grenade variants, and medics and scouts and whatnot usually used the concussive type to leap across maps and steal flags or capture points. It's a meat grinder of a time and I friggin love it.
Tbh I usually bodysuit with classic just so the entire server know that this gamer got killed by this weapon And it’s easier so I am bad sniper, yes, do I care, no.
I started playing sniper and already had the classic. I liked how it looked and could nocope people, so I actually used it before ever touching the stock gun. I feel like it's almost a different subclass of sniper, similar to the huntsman since you have to play differently around it's weaknesses. It was kinda funny when I picked the default sniper and was like... "wait I thought all snipers worked the same"
13:55 Its not exactly like the riffle in TFC. Maybe if they could buff it to have 75 ammo as opposed to 25, readd the cripling mechanic in the form of legshots giving slowdown with duration based on charge (In TFC if i remember right, the slowdown debuff was permanent untill you died, but i think that would be too op for TF2) Maybe these changes would make it too good but it would bring it closer to TFC.
Thanks to you I finally found my entry point to sniper I tried so much trying to get into sniper but none of the weapons I was good at using however when I started using this I was hitting most of my shots and even got my first headshot in the air with this weapon. In my opinion this is a great starting rifle to get the hang of sniper
The classic and the cozy camper have really good synergy. When you are fully charged you won’t take any screen shake from direct bullet or melee damage delt to you, meaning that in certain situations you can get up in a heavies face as he’s rounding the corner and insta kill him if you hit him in the face, even if the heavy is being overhealed by a medic. This is assuming of course that he isn’t using either of the two mini guns that give damage resistance buffs like the brass beast or Natasha, and isn’t being Ubered by a vaccinator medic.
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Calm down,not every people have same opinion you know?
@@k1tka793 o kurwa polak
@@tikoblocks3224 not exclusive to him at all, tons of youtubers pin negative comments as a "gotcha haha"
Tikoblocks its not that serious.
Part of the problem with the Classic is the whole "can't headshot without a full charge" thing. My friend who plays Highlander told me that it would be really good without that penalty. But here's a fun fact: in TFC, the sniper rifle COULD score headshots at low charge. Yes, they actually nerfed this gun in the transition from TFC to TF2
Thus, saying that changing the gun's stats isn't "true to the TFC sniper rifle" is rather redundant.
Like... seriously, at least give the low charge minicrit headshots.
The resulting damage increase should bring down light classes at about half charge, which is pretty much exactly what the TFC sniper rifle can do as well.
The gun would be better if you removed the major downside? Amazing revelation.
@@h4724-q6j Thats not his point. FSoaS said in the end that the Classic shouldnt be changed because then it would lose its identity, but the thing is that the weapon is already much diffirent than the actual classic since you cant get headshot crits unless fully charged.
well yea, the only downside then would be that you did 10% less damage on body shots which for the added gimmick would be a pretty fine payoff. Only downside to that is that you can't 1-shot body shot full health medics or eyelander demos.
In TFC the sniper rifle also slowed people down on leg shots, so the classic isn't exactly what the sniper was in TFC.
I know how to make this better with 1 stat change:
"only minicrits on headshots when not fully charged"
@@BottledSam this will be horribly op
Can always crit damage and crit damage is based on charge
@@nplt8392 Not really. Charge and fire independent of zoom, with -10% damage on body shot. Sounds good to me, since the upside isn't actually that big a deal for most snipers
@@whensomethingcriesagain imagine in competitive or anything really with snipers that have near aim bot aim holding down a choke point tapping heads without the downside that scoping takes time and gives a bigger blind spot.
@@AbduShu Not much of a downside really, quickscoping takes so little time that it makes no difference whatsoever (as Zesty pointed out)
6:50 that oblivious sniper may never know how close he was to getting backstabbed lol
Wow I was that close to death thanks FSoaS
@@grimmwolfram8610 are you that guy?
@@Mate_Antal_Zoltan Sadly yes
@@grimmwolfram8610 niiice
Máté Antal I checked and it was sad you both didn’t have videos.
When it comes to bad weapons academy, this is really a classic
Take my like and get out.
HAHAHHAHAHA LOLOLOLOLOL XDDDDDD
It’s the classic sniper rifle.
Booooo
@@marcoantonioramosrodas8935You missed the joke
I'm surprised that you could make a weapon as bad as this function! It's got a niche, but I'll still probably be using the other guns.
I suppose being an old school quaketf/tfc player I think differently. It’s easier for me to abuse, but I do enjoy the basic/machina more. (The machina being almost the opposite of the classic)
faisal who? What do you mean by the opposite of the classic?
the scout from team fortress 2 sorry for the confusion. I mean to say the machina which only fires when zoomed in (and uses tracer rounds) is kinda the opposite of the classic, which you can fire without zooming.
faisal who? You mean just any other sniper?
the scout from team fortress 2 lol yes. I’m trying to say the machine is “more opposite”, because you can still use the other sniper rifles without zooming in to an extent.
Though if I’m being honest, I still use quick zoom/fire at close range with the machina with some success
Is nobody gonna mention how the classic's laser model moves randomly?
Every time you use it it's in a different spot.
Sometimes it's miles above your gun, other times it's coming straight out the scope.
I really wanna know why this happens because it bugs me so much.
Im pretty sure the laser is a jigglebone, like how the fish flops around in first person or the milk and jarate swish around in their jars. Infact, with the fish or milk, try flicking the camera around really fast with them out, and you can visibly see them glitch out hard. That's why the classic does that, it's the same code as those.
@@valkaerie8715 that both makes too much sense and no sense at all.
Jigglebone physics have no place in a laser, which will always be rigid and is supposed to stay in a consistent spot at all times.
holy fuck i never noticed that
literally ruined the weapon for me, can't look at this shit now it's so bad
the same is the case in tfc so i think it might just be a callback rather than an error
"Im not gonna spend $5 on TFC"
*5 Seconds later*
0:55
What?
The fuck did u say?
Since some are confused, his inventory literally costs like $200
Michael VeVea he actively plays TF2 though, there’s really no point in dropping money on a game you won’t actually play actively. A lot of people go by the “Hour per Dollar” rule (basically you should expect one hour of playtime per dollar/euro/whatever spent)
Pybro I don’t mean a game needs to cost as much as what you get out of it, but it isn’t worth if there isn’t enough content to fill the space. If you buy a game for €50 then expect at least 50 hours of content, or 30 hours of really fucking good content
4:45 interesting fact! there's another sniper primary that can't fire while the Sniper is in the air: the Huntsman. given the similar firing mode, click to charge and release to fire, and this other fact, kiiiinda looks like they used Huntsman code to create the Classic
Huntsman edged out since it has one of the best taunt kills.
@@anafu-sankanashi8933 "stab stab stab"
Wait I thought it can?
THE CLASSIC SNIPER, RISE UP.
Yes
Yeah,i even surnamed it "heckler & koch g36" (name of the real life weapon this weapon is based off)
I use classic
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As someone who exclusively uses the Classic, even going so far as to owning a red, fully kitted one, all I want is to be able to fire mid-air. At least let me *defend* myself from soldiers that know how to roll-out and fire around corners.
Yes please, I'd play sniper more outside of huntsman
Me too, my friend...
it's called the classic for a reason ... couldn't do that in tfc
Funny thing about that: Sniper is supposed to be weak at close range but technically isn't because the Jarate exists and normally you can scope in for an instant 150 crit headshot. This rifle actually gives him a weakness at close range. XD
you could headshot without full charge in TFC, so why isn't that part faithful? :)
I used this to headshot a rocket jumping soldier once when he was falling at high speed and i got called a hacker
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I realize that I am two years late, but I just wanna say this weapon would be so much better if Sniper was able to see his enemies health like Spy can.
That should be something that sniper has naturally. Or even every support class.
Medic has solemn vow, so i guess he doesn't need this ability
@@gogodogodo3283 you're giving up the ubersaw, the uber farm and 100% crit machine, which is really useful for picking off low health targets, while also getting some uber for easy pushes, just so you can see the enemys health, yeah i think the solemn vow might as well be a stock reskin
@@OGuiBlindao I wish they reworked the solemn vow to be more of a pun on the "do no harm" thing, like make it deal extra damage at the cost of a slower firing speed or something and remove the seeing health stat completely
@@Irish_Enderman we don’t need another ubersaw. The solemn vow has its purpose, and it serves that purpose very well.
How to make classic OP: remove the slowdown while charging
How to make classic balance.
Do what he said but nerf the movement for sniper to be as slow as the heavy when charging.
Most importantly, allow us to ACTUALLY FIRE THE DAMN THING WHILE JUMPING OR UNDERWATER.
Its basically huntsman but sniper
@@ACCOUNTUNAVAILABLE7 Huntsman but hitscan
@@Chronosynx its a huntsman reskin
Elemental_Mafia no headshots w/o charge
The Classic is unironically my favorite Sniper Rifle.
Same, I feel way more comfortable playing Manuelly for some reason
sameeee bro
There is few interesting things of Classic Sniper Rifle. I appear to know, that in Team Fortress Classic this weapon has 2 extra abilities:
1. Increased knockback power to targets in airborne. It works with enemies and allies.
2. If you shoot at the legs, you take 50% less damage. But it slows enemies. So they has to get the healing from aid kits or medics to remove the slow effect.
I would like to know your opinion about these features
hey I had a feeling it had the effect on airborne targets, its why I like using it in FF2 because if the hale jumps at me I can shoot em and send em flying back, as for the legs thing had no idea damn, sorta can see it but I usually don't try to hit the mercs legs, too noodly and floppy
@@BrightJuni I'm quite sure those 2 extra abilities aren't present in tf2 and are only in tfc
I think the leg injury could be implemented onto another weapon. If it were to be brought back onto the classic than it'd have to be only for a couple of seconds.
@@alephkasai9384 2 seconds are too much for this weapon. Especially for the rifle that reloads in 1.5 seconds.
@@drednoughtship2261 2 seconds of what
I think it could be buffed by letting charge like 10-15% faster, or increase your walking speed while charging
Agreed
You making any more of these? This was good.
Snipers charging this weapon up look like a 100 year old guy shuffling around.
I think Soundsmith did an episode that was exactly that lol.
Also yes, he recently did a video on the Brass Beast :)
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@@FyveElemental "recently"
I think my favorite thing about The Classic is how the laser sight hardly even tries to line up with where its supposed to be on the gun, it just goes wherever it wants.
I definitely love the Classic. You were pretty much on the nose calling it a hitscan Huntsman. No, it's not a god-tier weapon, but it doesn't need to be. It has its moments, and those moments are unbelievably satisfying.
basically double donk moments but on sniper
I love it because I'm constantly paranoid that theres going to be some ambush near me, so a sniper rifle that you can look around *and* keep charge is a win win for me
In tfc, was a team destroyer, I killed a lot of medics, soldiers and others snipers with that gun.
In tf2, the classic don't make the same damage (and don't know why)
If you hit a lot of headshots it's probably because the TF2 version can't headshot at low charge like the TFC could
@@andrewmoore7022 pffffff, is almost inposible to do a headshot in tfc, the engine of the game is so clumsy that sometimes if you shot to the legs the game register it as a headshot
@@andrewmoore7022 also, the classic was a beast because of his bodyshot damage, it was enough to kill all the classes except heavy and soldier, with them you would "try" a headshot.
there was also the slow effect where you shoot enemies in the legs to cripple them
that might have been a fair contributor, along with any more damage that it would have done
@@elecman748 The headshot hitbox was never scaled to the new character models, which are generally short than the old ones, so you have to aim higher for a headshot.
2:42 quite opposite for me - The Classic was one of my first sniper rifle drops years ago, and i used it so much, i had to re-learn that i dont have to hold M1 to charge
that's partly why people hate the classic. it's a hitscan that plays like the huntsman so the muscle memory really messes with your synergy.
I really love the classic, it's super fun and the gibs make it _so_ satisfying to noscope people. Though they need to either lower the speed reduction or allow headshot without full charge
Headshot without full charge would actually be true to the original game as well
Too bad even in that role it is outclassed. The Hitman's Heatmaker blows people's heads off and the Shooting Star atomizes them, wich looks way cooler.
@@joanaguayoplanell4912 I think gibs on classic are actually more satısfaying than hitman s hitmaker or shooting star tough that s just my opınon.
I have gibs disabled :(
Fucking no, quickscopes are already a totally broken, no way it will be added to classic. It is fine without it.
I find the Classic super good vs Snipers, actually; pop out from around a corner to have a peek at the battlefield with full charge, find them, and release
Yeah but you need to be fully charged. All the enemy sniper needs to do is headshot
@notgray88 that's why you charge your shot behind cover before peeking
0:07 City 17 flashbacks, thought he was gonna start the Dr breen speech
Welcome! Welcome to City 17.
You have chosen, or been chosen, to relocate to one of our finest remaining urban centers. I thought so much of City 17 that I elected to establish my Administration here, in the Citadel so thoughtfully provided by Our Benefactors. I have been proud to call City 17 my home. And so, whether you are here to stay, or passing through on your way to parts unknown, welcome to City 17. It's safer here.
man i remember back when these things barely ever came out. it’s great to have them come out regularly. keep up the great work, fish
1:32 the weapon is based off the heckler & koch g36,some of you may already know it,some of you dont and this goes for the ones that doesn't,in my opinion,one of the best looking weapon in the game being my favorite the detonator.
Was looking for this, as soon as I recognized that integral sight while playing tf2. I had the realization of oh this is a g36. Prolly never noticed because i am too used to the compact version of the rifle (g36c) that I just never made the connection. This is the closest thing I am gonna get to an automatic rifle in tf2 \_(•-•)_/
@@humanbeing4071 actually in team fortress classic (the game from where it was pulled from) the weapon has a full auto mode
Fun fact: you can jump while charging, you can’t fire mid air but still a funny feature
Interesting, I think Classic is slightly underrated... Thank you for the review and tips! You need more views.
I love these videos. They are great for background noise while I do chores, they are paced slow enough that I can follow them when I am tired, and fast enough that when I want a quick video to watch while waiting they are reliable. I hope this helps with your confidence and improving stuff in the future. Keep up the great work!
Pretty good video, surprised at how good it is with a channel as small as yours, hope it grows. Good luck in youtube or wherever the video uploading journey takes you.
11:59 they did this thing in the military with a simaler idea. They made rifles have the ability to have 5 bullets loaded at once, but not automaticly load a bullet so the solders are more accurate and dont waste ammo. You could make the magazine work so of you are being rushed you can still defend yourself. I know the 1803 rifle has this but dont know about other ones.
Glad to see a vid like this exists. I agree on all points, made my own janky steam guide for this weapon last year as well :P I'm almost at 15k kills on my own Classic and seem to regularly infect others with the urge to try out this rifle. Hope you're still doing the same. 11/10 vid!
I love how far his channel has come, this series got me into tf2 technically, so thanks fish!
I feel like the weapon had a pretty good intent at first. Being able to see the whole battlefield, the fact that it is based off of the H&K G36 (H&K, please give us the G36, and not the crappy version you gave us). If you get rid of either the no headshot mechanic or less damage, it could be a pretty unique (all be it, an awkward weapon to use) sniper.
Albeit*
I feel like the H&K SL-8 variant would have jived better with the sniper. Seeing how "The Classic" is a G36, which does having a built in 3x power scope, is still a select fire 5.56 caliber assault rifle, not really a large caliber "sniper" rifle.
I think adding the Classic Automatic mode as a "press R to change sniper rifle to a 75 round SMG with bleeding and/or slowing on hit" as a upside could make it good.
would making the Headshot minicrit when not fully charged be good or would it cause conflicts? maybe make it deal more damage(like 20% so -10% plus 20% for plus 10% more damage) to debuffed(slows, milk, burning, bleeeding) foes to make it better?
It is probably a semi automatic civilian variant.
5:10 "I promise I'm not a spy, I _am_ actually using the classic."
This video was the redemption to the classic i was looking for.
Kinda funny watching a small cargo line of snipers stepping slowly down the battlefield like they shit their pants.
Also I’m really impressed by the quality of your video considering your size.
Well done man
The classic was one of my first unlocks I used it unironically then and now
I love the sound of that gun, its an old HL ambient sound aswell. To the heat shot only work on fully charged part I dont remember in TFC version. The no shooting while of groud thing is sama balancing thig with the hutsman. They realy tried to prevet you to do hiding jumping kills with no scope needed weapons.
That was the most whole hearted "fucked" I've heard in my entire life lol. 3:19
4:09 killed by sniper "LVL 10 GRENADE LAUNCHER"
(Shoves bombs in a sniper rifle) if it shoots grenades its a grenade launcher
"I would'nt be supprised if most new players who unlocked it for the first time were just really confused and couldnt figure out how it works and dropped it in favor of their stock rifle." I played my first game earlier and did exactly this
Honestly I still feel dumb for getting rid of my classic it costed a huntsman and a Bazar bargain and reclaimed metal
2:28 I actually named my Classic like that with the describtion "What do you mean it has a scope?" since I don't scope in with it even on longrange (for memes sake).
Glad somebody agrees with me hahaha!
13:26 "You can clearly see every point of entry the enemy team might try to come in-" *gets backstabbed*
Hey, youtube put this into my recommended. Broken system doing something good at last
I quit this game 2 years ago
@@longassdick And what a mistake it was
@Doge Coin Those who asked :
@@BlastFM i know you are trying to say: nobody asked. but you saying that makes it seem like people DID ask, but just aren't talking. but then again
*_nobody_* *_asked_* *_me_*
A really funny thing to keep an eye out is how much the lazer effect wanders all around the gun, sometimes being completely separate from the gun model
This is my favorite rifle for sniper duels. Sure, the enemy might be smart enough to just aim where your head will be when you land, but usually bunnyhopping like a maniac results in them missing or at least missing your head, and you get to land a fully changed body shot for free and it’s stupid as hell and I love it.
even in the very first bad weapon academy we can see tidbits of fish's hatred towards the scorch shot, gotta love it man.
How to fix the Classic:
10% less damage on bodyshot: gone
Unable to shoot while airborne: gone
Boom! Way better!
The 10% less damage would be too good. I would just say give the Classic a slow down mechanic when you hit your enemy so you can finish them off with an smg. And make sniper faster while charging.
I’d just say to make it charge by itself and you click once to shoot
@Rand0m778 that would partially remove the uniqueness of the weapon though.
thelongershot you do have a point there...
thelongershot what if it charges faster?
Take a shot every time he talks about, mentions, or shows the Scorch Shot while watching this playlist. (skip non-tf2 videos)
Thanks man. Very good video it helped me alot. The Classic is my favorite meme weapon, i dont know why people get so mad when they killed by it.
I guess they get mad when they get killed by it because it’s probably infuriating for them to get killed from the “worst” sniper in the game, especially when taunted after it or they just have anger issues.
@@scalingsock7470 nah I respect people more for playing the worst anything.
2:00 everything aside, that has to feel godlike
i remember going on a killing spree in a x10 server with the classic, no one could stop me.... except for that w+m2 pyro that also kept spamming the scorch shot. Lord i hate that guy
“Enemy medics are your biggest targets besides other snipers.”
“Enemy snipers are your biggest target besides medics.”
well..both statements are true :V.
if you pick sniper and willingly avoid countersniping or prioritizing medics, you might be top fragging, but you are not being useful to advance your team's game state.
@@Teixas666 What if I am autistic?
@@lionobama1397 well then your choices as Sniper arent your biggest problem now are they?
Ive always thought the classic was like the huntsman
It's cool to see how much Fish has gotten better at making these videos.
I always found it easier to aim with the classic, snipers scope looks like he pissed on it.
Maybe he did
Everyone in 2020: Ew. Who would ever use the classic
Everyone in 2021: Haha exploding guy go brrr
the classic is a underrated utility .
I don’t really like the classic but it makes me happy to see this comment. I see so many people getting mad because he doesn’t like the classic but you have a different opinion and just state it without getting mad.
If making every edgelord Anger Sniper instantly ragequit whenever you manage to get the domination after 4 consecutive headshots is considered an utility, then yes it does have an excellent utility.
I think that, considering the source material, the gun should do mini-crit headshots at +50% or +75% charge. Then again, that could add yet another layer of micro-management to the gun when you’re trying to keep man eye on the battle field. Maybe there could be a different sound when you reach mini-crit range?
12:55 3000 FUCKING CLASSIC KILLS!!!???
"5 dollars is too much for a game I'm probably going to play once" has a server clearing pro killstreak classic but only uses it to make a youtube video about how bad it is
At least you can sell the Classic lol
He did say he enjoys playing with it lol
cool to see some different content from you, not that only CP related content is bad tho
You can see how different fish sounds since his fir bad weapon academy video. In this video you can still feel that "New teacher who has a smile on his face all the time" vibes and now it feels like he has been through it all and is waiting for retirement(in that teaching metaphor)
The classic was the first weapon I got as a random drop. I was so damn confused
This video is severely underrated. I really loved the delivery. Idk why
12:12 This implies Sniper doesn’t already do this by default.
Damn 3 years ago? Felt like it came out last year.
Fun fact: “The Classic” is based on the G36 automatic rifle, which does not make sense as a sniper rifle in TF2/TFC. It would’ve been better as an automatic rifle for soldier, engie, or scout. (Idk for scout since he’s a more shotgun guy. But idk 🤷🏻♂️)
It has a full auto mode in TFC, in addition to the nailgun.
@@thegardenofeatin5965 wow didnt know that (didnt play both games, thats why)
I wonder if they changed it to "no headshots when not zoomed in", what would that do? The idea that you can charge up while keeping awareness of your surroundings, but when it comes to actually headshotting, you need to put the focus back in.
A fellow Civ 5 player, I see.
I think that increasing the charging movement speed and decreasing the charge time would make it more viablew without changing it completely from TFC
The Classic is a must on a Hightower plagued by market gardens, you can't let yourself get tunnel vision.
Still needs to allow quickscoping or at least let crits happen after charging 1/3 of the way, and maybe improve movement speed while charging.
Every time I want to get back into TF2 I just have to remember Gun Mettle happened and I regain my sanity.
not sure, if I brought this up, but regarding the end: its not directly "ripped" from tfc, there it had two fire modes. the second one was pretty much the stock smg, but integrated in the same rifle- going to tf2, it would make backpack items more of a choice, especially with the charging shots and cozy camper synergy imo. Also in tfc you could slow down enemies with charged legshots for a few sec.
If I want slick ASF, I use the awper hand.
When I got it though, I ended up getting it with a name tag/description.
"My other AWP is a Deagle"
Desc: "No seriously, it is."
And I still have no clue why the last owner put it on there.
Probably a reference to CS:GO...? When you buy an AWP and deagle in a round...? Or either use only the Deagle for the entire round...? Definitely not sure but i hope i helped you understand, if what i'm thinking is right
@@zesomeone4078 Probably is the case, but.. still a weird thing to spend over 25 refined on
@@swifter46ter mmm, maybe
I just use the classic because I'm more used to how sniper type weapons work in Splatoon, so for me it was the stock sniper rifle that took me a while to figure out how the controls work.
Uhh...I main this, I think the thing's God Tier. I'm not a great player but I got a 20 kill streak with this in my first match with it. It's better than anything else at killing scouts, since you can body them without scoping in for an insta kill. Also, it's amazing against enemy snipers, since you can stay out of scope and see the enemy's battlements, then just body them before they can even scope in.
i swear everyone calls it trash because they only ever use it to across the map noscope 360 headshot and miss.
Yeah the non zoom makes it pretty damn useful
Every other sniper zooms in and thusly you better be looking for a head
This is why I love tf2, the weapons are mostly balanced when you understand how to use them. Of course some are more niche than others.
@kevin wall you aren't us. i excell at killing real players with this thing. it's a fun weapon and works if used properly. try actually aiming and using it properly instead of MLG 360 noscope from across the map.
there is a learning curve to it that you have to get use to. master this and you will dominate.
@UCdu6Qw4Rc9Rvk4A24yuFQCQ again, WE ARE NOT YOU. i have TRIED to master the sniper rifle. i just suck with it. the original allows me to see what i want to shoot before i scope in. let's see the sniper do that OH WAIT. and can allow me to be aware of everything around me so i don't get tunnel vision like you do with the sniper rifle and ambushes are harder to achieve on a classic because of the charge without scoping in mechanic. yes it has more damage, but putting it out faster? i'd argue no because of the faster charging of the classic. it can still one shot light to medium health classes because it can do 150 on a full charge. face it. it isn't garbage and you just like shitting on those that do better than you with a "superior weapon"
The Sniper Rifle in TFC was actually amazing. It could actually do headshots while not fully charged, the bodyshots did more damage and huge knockback, and in fact you could even use it on teammates with a fully charged shot to give them a huge speed boost or help them jump to high places. Naturally, with TF2 having a completely different pacing from TFC, this could not translate well at all, so they just sorta nerfed it everything good about it and basically missed it's point. If they wanted to give him a TFC weapon they should have gone with the SMG.
>Bad Weapon Academy
>The Classic
think you've got a typo there man
In TFC spy had a sleep dart and confusion gas that actually made enemies have audiovisual hallucinations.
Scout could drop slowing caltrops, medic could either over heal, or use the med pack on enemies to give them an sti they showed smoking's the enemy ranks until a medic fixes it. All classes had two grenade variants, and medics and scouts and whatnot usually used the concussive type to leap across maps and steal flags or capture points.
It's a meat grinder of a time and I friggin love it.
Tbh I usually bodysuit with classic just so the entire server know that this gamer got killed by this weapon
And it’s easier so I am bad sniper, yes, do I care, no.
6:03: How bout the Huntsman/Fortified Compund?
balance changes: make it a stock reskin
Balance changes: nerf sniper
@@ConquerHell Balance changes: replace original sniper rifle with Classic
You know, if valve just added "Can reload while scoped" tp the upsides list, a lot more people may like it.
Title: *bad weapon*
Gibus sniper on 2fort: Why would you say something so controversial yet so brave?
I started playing sniper and already had the classic. I liked how it looked and could nocope people, so I actually used it before ever touching the stock gun. I feel like it's almost a different subclass of sniper, similar to the huntsman since you have to play differently around it's weaknesses. It was kinda funny when I picked the default sniper and was like... "wait I thought all snipers worked the same"
Sniper Rifle fan vs The Classic enjoyer
you merely adopted the classic, i was born in it, molded by it
I actually main the classic
13:55
Its not exactly like the riffle in TFC.
Maybe if they could buff it to have 75 ammo as opposed to 25, readd the cripling mechanic in the form of legshots giving slowdown with duration based on charge
(In TFC if i remember right, the slowdown debuff was permanent untill you died, but i think that would be too op for TF2)
Maybe these changes would make it too good but it would bring it closer to TFC.
2:38 nice chat people is having
Thanks to you I finally found my entry point to sniper I tried so much trying to get into sniper but none of the weapons I was good at using however when I started using this I was hitting most of my shots and even got my first headshot in the air with this weapon. In my opinion this is a great starting rifle to get the hang of sniper
I would still keep it just for countering spawnkilling heavies
I like the new TH-cam system that recommends random good videos. And this is one of those random and good videos
1 MILION VIEWS!!!
The classic and the cozy camper have really good synergy. When you are fully charged you won’t take any screen shake from direct bullet or melee damage delt to you, meaning that in certain situations you can get up in a heavies face as he’s rounding the corner and insta kill him if you hit him in the face, even if the heavy is being overhealed by a medic. This is assuming of course that he isn’t using either of the two mini guns that give damage resistance buffs like the brass beast or Natasha, and isn’t being Ubered by a vaccinator medic.
To buff the Classic I propose that the charge speed be increased by 50%.