Ya know, having the Baby Face's Blaster equipped and moving a bit slower as a scout will indeed get you spy checked more. But that also means that if you so desire, you can be a pretty convincing fake spy.
Whole video made in 5 maps currently reflects current state of the game- 1 map per game mode (rotation removed so every1 votes for same map), 1 loadout per class (even natasha is destroyed- like heavy having 200 hp with that 30 percent more damage taken.) The more game is balanced the less it is fun (like classic wow-WOTLK to current game where it became literal online shop with no soul), move on to IRL people- make movies, videos about games like this one or make music.
Baby Face feels like a huge power trip when you're doing good with it, and it feels like the worst hangover in the world when you're doing bad with it.
Actually, the scout never outran his own hitbox. It's already been tested several times on different interp ratios and it's not the case at all. It was however a serious balancing issue.
Reminds me of wolfenstein enemy front, or what the multiplayer to return was called. The guns where exactly the same, but they looked and sounded diffrent. After a lot of complaints that the german machinegun was overpowered, which was factually impossible, they looked at the data. They where dumbfounded. The kills where completly fucked. After some tinkering they found the problem. It was the fucking sound. The gun sounded better, so germ players where more confident and shot better. Edit: It was the Thompson and it was Enemy Territory, not front
That’s the first time I’ve heard the sonic theme that wasn’t earrape in a very long time I’ve been made aware that the music I’m referring to is not in fact “the sonic theme” but instead “green hill zone”, thank you for correcting me.
To be honest, I loved the original BFB, where you lost ALL your boost from jumping normally. Something very fun about planning routes around being entirely on the ground.
Same, and on lakeside (especially lakeside event) you could crouch while falling to land on the little platform without having to swim or jump. Stuff like that make the weapon really fun to maneuver without one of scouts biggest bonuses
@@jacobwingers5206 Actually it felt awesome. Vertical movement may look cool on camera, but horizontal speed _FEELS_ fast. It was an amazing weapon and a huge shame that it was nerfed.
9:21 The issue involving the wrap assassin not working on certain slopes and almost all of Badwater is now fixed, so no need to fear hurting yourself with it.
Ohh back in like 2012 it was so good. 6 shots, 10% more accurate, starting with the speed of a soldier and 100 damage got you up to 180% speed or something. Yes, you weren't allowed to jump AT ALL but that's fair. Most fun I've had as scout.
Its still a pretty fun time using the babyfacesblaster but i use the madmilk instead of the cleaver bcs i still want to support my team a bit and it does give me some extra survivability
You know what really pisses me off? The fact that I keep hearing that "sCoUt OuTrUnS hIs OwN hItBoX aT fUlL bOoSt" but I've never seen anyone actually prove it, I've searched for years but I've never seen any kind of hard evidence of this, just hearsay from people playing in servers where lag compensation is a thing
Because it isn't true. Scout never could outrun his hitbox. The only time he could "outrun" his hitbox was by using a buggy command that showed inaccurate hitboxes to begin (it's such a bad and broken command that they actually completely replaced it in CS:GO). So basically, if you were using a console command that showed wrong hitboxes then the hitboxes would seem off- in other words: It didn't happen. Realistically it was more of the general pose bug (which flipped hitboxes) that existed for a decade that affected half of the classes in the game and led them to have inaccurate hitboxes anyways (though even the command that people used to showcase this bug is the same broken one that has the bad syncing between player model and hitboxes, so yeah).
@Adam Klement Firstly, I doubt he would do the same, because its just a game and if you die got nobody to blame but yourself! Secondly, "shut up" the ultimate 8 year old insult, hurts a lot!
2:25 "you fill it entirely by doing 100 damage which isn't too hard" 6:03 "it's kinda difficult for you to even get that 100 damage in the first place"
He was saying that 100 damage wasn't too hard for a scout that has a speed of 133% but the baby blaster makes it very difficult to achieve when you are 10% slower and have a clip size/magazine capacity reduced by 33%, unless the enemies are standing still
I miss the old pocket pistol for one stat: the no fall damage when holding the weapon. this went perfect with countering the lost boost on fall damage (fitting as they are a part of the same set.)
Hey, I like your videos, but I think I have a better way to use the baby faces blaster. I think the winger is a better secondary if used right. You are training of bleed for your jump back. The winger with one jump is almost the same as a normal double jump. I do think if you can aim the cleaver, then I do agree with using it over the winger. I do think the better melee is the Boston basher because if you run in, hit them with the basher, and run out, is very similar to the cleaver. The big drawback is if you hit yourself, but that can be fixed with practice. Anyway, that's all I have to say. Keep up your great videos
Did you know: Scout can normally survive a direct hit by a solider. With this gun you cant even survive a spash since you are so slow you might aswell be dead.
@@vivelespatat2670 Only not at point blank if the soldier is using the direct hit or the scout is using the sandman/candy cane. The scout's max hp without overheal is 125. stock, beggars bazzoka, black box, cowmangler at point blank do 112 damage. Liberty launcher does around 60, and direct hit does like 145 damage at point blank
Another good loadout I’ve heard of for the baby face is atomizer and winger. As soon as you take damage, you suddenly go from very horizontally mobile, to very vertically mobile, and can become a whirlwind around an enemy while you get your charge back.
I've actually noticed that the SoaS is actually a valid choice when using this weapon, as the 25% fire damage resistance is strangely applicable to attempting to escape from pyros while maintaining some of your boost.
I actually have an idea for that one: what if(hear me out) we made it so it still just slows, but! If let's say, the scout were to damage you while slowed, it would make the slow last longer?
yeah i remember when this weapon was a skuntgod, i use to be THAT scunt that capped on 2fort 1:send a guillotine into a gibus sniper on the battlements 2:cap intel 3 times to "win" man, even typing this makes me hate my childhood self
The winger also has decent synergy with the baby face, as it can get you hight simmeler to double jumping without using boost, and it’s kinda fun to switch between dodging with speed and dodging with jumping when you loose your boost
I just love seeing someone make a recommendation to use the wrap assassin. I remember when everyone was like "-%70 damage on hit? What a garbage weapon!" for a melee weapon on a class that has a shotgun designed to deal so much damage at point blank range. I have a hard time hitting an enemy with a melee attack in tf2 when I have like... a gun, but I never bother with the scout's bat, so having a long range poke option (that doesn't cost 15 hp from my max health) is nice to have and pairs well with this gun I believe.
Yes that's what I though too WHEN are you ever gonna use Scout melee to attack someone at point blank, when you have multiples primary weapons that does it better
A change that I think could work is that the 25 damage has to be in one hit for you to lose boost, so at least incidental chip damage and afterburn wouldn't drain it.
It might be a good idea to take away the hot downside and instead make it so the boost drains until you get some hits, that way it would encourage scout players to go more aggressive with the weapon
@@asgth6147 so, wonder what the point of inventing a weapon with its own mecanic in a first place if it was to make it trash at a point the community assume it do not exist and all use the stock one, isn't it waste of time?
I would love a weapon which is essentially the exact same as the Soda Popper, but the hype makes you run incredibly fast. Maybe it could have yellow bonk cans on the barrel instead.
Saying that imagining every weapon in the game as a Natasha is a perfect explanation for this once loved scunt gun. You just lose waaaay to much boost for far too little damage
How can you even use the sharpened volcano fragment It literally does what pyros other weapons do: set people on fire And other weapons do that from long range while it's limited to melee range Bison might be useful but idk how
This is the best TF2 related channel on youtube. Just pure information on how to play more effectively which can be used by anyone across all skill levels. Thank you for your content!
Back when I played TF2, I used to love the Baby Face's Blaster, and I saw first hand when that major nerf hit it. Dodge a bullet by not buying a professional killstreak one.
I really appreciate this series, so many weapons are betrayed abandoned and forgotten and basically the only time their mentioned is in soundsmith stereotype video's where he spends 10 seconds saying "this weapon is bad no one uses it but memers and new players" and little else, nice to see someone go in depth with them
Honestly I would remove the "on hit you lose your speed" stat with a decaying boost, maybe you could shoot someone and gain the boost for like 2-3 seconds, then it starts decaying. I think it would promote the scouts hit and run playstyle way better.
this would make the weapon worse because you lose the ability to stay at a constant speed. Yes it is jarring when you get hit and lose your boost, but imagine slowly losing speed
Eh, I feel like it falls into the same sort of thing as the current gun: Forces outside your control dictate your speed and constantly messes with your aiming.
I’ve been trying to get better with the baby faces blaster and I’ve found that managing to get that extra speed boost is addictive as fuck, especially when I’m in the groove, I’ve also found that the pocket pistol and mad milk can be extremely useful, since both can be used as a method of regen along with the pocket pistol being a way to get a lil boost when you first start, since it can be fired from a distance and do more damage than the baby face
I personally like the idea of making it work more consistently by borrowing from the eyelander, do enough damage you get a point on a counter, if you double jump or get damaged a certain amount you lose a point, points max out at 4 or 5 so you can't get to a point to where you have to many point for it to ever be a problem.
Pretty sure even rocket jumping soldiers go faster than BFB scouts. And projectiles DEFINITELY go faster, and they don't 'outrun' their hitboxes. If that was a thing there'd be people getting nailed by huntsman arrows for 0 damage, then other people randomly dying instantly from the hitbox 'catching up' later.
@@Winasaurus Exactly that claim made no sense. The demo charging, blast jumping soldiers, demos, and engies all go faster and there is probs more im forgetting.
5:09 that was a lie scout could never outrun his hitbox the mercs hitboxes are tied to the model itself also it’s just a speed increase if he were to outrun his hitbox then it would mean that the hitbox had a different speed value than the model.
a personal build i love with the blaster is crit-a-cola and wrap assassin. the assassin lets you do that oh-so-important bleed damage at long range, and minicrits removes all damage fall-off for your primary. minicrit bleed is also extremely deadly, and the synergies are just incredible.
The cleaver is one of my favorite choices just because it's so satisfying to hit and 50+ extra burst damage from pretty much any range is so nice to have
how i see it, it needs to be changed to "lose 10% boost when hit" instead of " boost reduced when hit" that way it can actually change how you deal with damage. single hits from soldiers, demos, other scouts, and snipers dont immediately drop you to zero and you can still run around quickly, while other weapons/classes either can be more useful agaisnt you or become a further rpoblem and you'd wanna stay away. any dmg over time weapons, pyro's flamethrower and secondaries, the heavy, the needleguns would be useful. i could see this as a viable change adn actually make it fair, along side fixing being hit once by lilterally anything and becoming an immediate target with a very low chance of getting away ONTOP of losing all your charge you gained because you became an easy target
In hindsight, the "Scout outran his hitbox" myth probably coalesced due to the interp exploit scouts used to use by adjusting their interp values via keybinds.
I think the new baby face blaster was meant to work like a scout version big earner, using the speed you gain from one fight to get to the next or to retreat.
Great video! Love this series! I remember when the BFB was a terror in TF2... granted, it was very fun to play with, but I think Valve went a little nuts with the nerf, like damage decreasing speed is fine but 25 damage really had me scratching my head lol I think 50 should be the minimum
I practically stan the Baby Face Blaster. It's a great weapon to practice aiming with, especially paired with the Boston Basher and Pretty Boys Pocket Pistol.
I just watch your videos on repeat until you post. I love your voice and editing. Amazing jokes and so many little tid bits that make me smile. Please make more videos I love you so much
Remember when this thing used to be overpowered? Luckily, I think the only change this weapon needs to be viable again is changing how much Boost you lose when taking damage. Currently, if you get hit with 30 damage you lose 90% your Boost meter (which is what makes the weapon useless). They should change it so that if you take 30 damage you only lose 30% of your Boost meter. Edit: And fall damage shouldn't remove Boost either; basically all the changes they did to the Tide Turner.
Or maybe make it so that you don't lose Boost through damage, but it drains over time. So, you'll have to keep using your ridiculous speed to run back into the fight.
I think what would be cool is soundsmith’s suggestion. Where when you get hit, the boost starts to decay, but doesn’t decrease more when getting hit. So you can maintain your boost, while getting hit for 15 damage.
i personally think valve ought to remove the double jump penalty. if getting hit by anything at all drastically decreases your boost, you should have more tools available to dodge enemies and keep that boost.
I certainly have few things to say here :v First, really neat video analyzing this weapon regarding what current tactics (i.e guillotine) helps to ease the fluctuating boost as well as examining what flaws it has in current form as a result of the notable nerf in form of damage removing boost at 1 to 4 rate to fix an issue about hard-hitting scouts that honestly was more about eliminating the horizontal movement combined with rapid side step strafing double-jumps (which I used a lot back in the day) being reason as the whole running faster than his hit-box has never been confirmed in practice, since Soldiers and Demos tend to be 3-5 times faster on average when blast jumping except their fast speed in air was negated mostly due to predictable arc of the flight as well as being hurt to begin with). Not blaming you from mentioning the hit-box thing thou as it has been popularly around ever since the infamous date: mere exposure effect at its finest. Secondly, while idea of simply adjusting the damage removing on the boost into 1-to-1 ratio, I feel like having a flip-flopping effect on your movement is not really that good for a weapon that has concept for getaways in horizontal ways (compared to Soda Popper having vertical buff as a reward of enough damage). Thus I probably would make more significant but possibly interesting changes to BBF as follows: > Remove the double jumping and damage reducing the boost. > Remove the progressive boost gain relevant to the amount the meter is filled. > Apply the Boost-meter to be activated with right-click (or by taunting) once it is full, giving 5-8 seconds of 173% run speed. > Increase damage needed for a full meter to 300-400 dmg. > (OPTIONAL): No double-jumping while Boost is activated. These stats basically come to my mind as a way to balance Boost into being something you decide where to use it: to flee, to flank or to get oneself a short advantage to combat a target which would require having to deal with being constantly slower than stock Scout and having less ammo in a clip in order to emphasize into more situational hit-and-run side-grade of a weapon. After all, constantly passive elements are pretty tricky to balance especially if they're supposed to get filled by just doing what your class is meant to do (examples being Eyelander on Demoman giving damage and health buff up to 5 kills or how Soda Popper used to charge simply by running), where as the more static activated buffs allows for more room to think which I feel can be used on Natascha to adjust something more fair than constant slowdown effect... Buuut, that is a different pickle to tackle so in meanwhile I would like to hear politely any opinions to my concept for swapping stats on BBF. Anyhoo, mini-lecture over: back to sipping drinks and seeing into future for more of your content. Keep it up, Fsoas!
I'll never forget my first godlike killstreak. Got boost off a tunnel vision Gibbus sniper, went without taking damage for 23 more kills, got hit by the edge of a scorch shot explosion, lost my boost to the afterburn, and immediately died.
I think this weapon should be changed to an aggressive weapon with the speed boost but instead of losing it to a syringe gun half the map away, you lose it constantly, not as fast as it to be annoying, but fast enough for you to be doing damage the entire time, i think it would take it from a "get in and get out" gun to an aggressive type of gun, thats where the clip size comes in to make it balanced, you have to be doing damage consistently for your boost to be goin up, i think it would be a great change to the gun
These are the stats i think will make the baby face's blaster decent -Deal 175 dmg to gain full boost -recive 100 dmg to lose your boost -one less jump(aka no double jump) FIX THE PROBLEM THAT CAUSED THIS WHOLE MESS IN THE FIRST PLACE -scout can no longer out run his hitbox
I mean the entire reason the lose boost on hit was added is because scout out running his own hitbox at full boost, if you fix scout being able to outrun his hitbox is fixed then there's no reason to have the lose boost when hit downside
Update* 250 damage for full boost Boost depleates over the course of 20 seconds -1 jump (no double jump) (can still double if you have the atomizer equiped and have it out and active)
A rework idea I had. User spawns with 15% less movement speed If the user kills a enemy with the weapon they will gain a 15% faster movement speed increase stacking to 45% faster movement speed Double jumping temporarily disables any gained movement speed for 4 seconds. 5 shot clip.
All these bad weapon academy episodes just remind me of back in the day when so many weapons were strong and fun to use. Now most of them are so weak it's sucked all the fun out of the game.
i'm getting the tingle to give this game a few rounds again after what, 10 years? about that. but i hear it's a cheater's nest and that instantly turns me off.
honestly, in my opinion the baby face's blaster just buffs you against what you're already strong against and severely nerfs you against what you're decent / bad against
everyone clowns on this gun but if youve EVER gotten a kill with a cleaver, you know how satisfying that is and combine with basically a full boost, greatest feeling ever.
Value should change it to like the soda popper style where u store boost and active them when u need to. And they can get rid of the on hit lose boost and slower speed due to the boost being active than passive.
"[...] this set highly encourages you to play as a long-range pesterer..." Gee, that's like, as if you were using the Scorch Shot but as Scout. The hero unknowingly becomes the villain. Sorry, I just hate it when people hate the Scorch Shot even though other classes can do the exact same thing. Good video.
Except you have to aim the cleaver and the ball since they don’t have splash damage and you can’t throw another cleaver two seconds after the first one 16 times in a row. This is hardly an equivalence, it’s much more comparable to the regular flare gun.
@@fishstickonastick-gaming As a matter of fact, the Wrap Assassin does have splash damage, granted, it's so small and doesn't apply the bleeding effect so you don't even notice it. But in the end, you are still doing virtually the same thing, long to medium range DoT chip damage that is annoying more than anything else. And if you're accurate and patient enough, you can stack the Guillotine along with the WA's ball to do double the amount of bleeding, similar in the sense that the Scorch Shot awards mini-crits on burning players. I am not arguing that the cleaver/assassin combo is as spammy and annoying as just using the Scorch Shot, I agree that the Scorch Shot is annoying, but at the end of the day, the cleaver/assassin and the Scorch Shot give and reward the player the same thing. DoT chip damage at a medium to long-range.
@@kleskthewarlock scorch shot is still way more busted. you can literally hit people twice with ONE projectile. if you get a direct hit with both the cleaver and the wrap assasin, you do twice the damage. you get a direct hit with the scorch shot, which sets you on fire, and then the projectile falls and you can get hit again, this time with a minicrit. shoot again, hit directly, and guess what? two minicrits in one projectile, not to mention the cooldown is way smaller on the scorch shot compared to the other two weapons. granted, you still have to hit a direct hit to get the two hits, but even if you miss, you're likely to get hit anyway due to that splash radius. that's why the other two flares are nowhere near as good, and why the comparison between the scorch shot and cleaver/wrap assassin is a joke.
@@Hyperiotic I never said the cleaver/assassin combo is as broken as the Scorch Shot. I said that by using both, you are achieving the same thing. The Scorch Shot's literal job is to make Pyro into a long-range pesterer, to deter Sniper's and groups of enemies from a distance using chip damage. Those are nearly the same jobs the cleaver and Wrap Assassin have, just at a shorter range. If anything, FSoaS saying the cleaver/assassin combo encourages Scouts into being long-range pesterers is the joke, because the main goal is to use the Baby Face's Blaster, not the cleaver/assassin.
I remember times where I effortlessly capture briefcases in 2fort simply because I was too fast that either the enemy team couldn't build their sentries fast enough, or I literally outrun their sentries' aim.
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Ya know, having the Baby Face's Blaster equipped and moving a bit slower as a scout will indeed get you spy checked more. But that also means that if you so desire, you can be a pretty convincing fake spy.
the perfect weapon to confuse your teammates on purpose
yeah i'm the kind of dickhead who looks at my teammates funny while backing up as spy and I love every seconds of their confusion!
Star_ did that to Jerma a bunch, he would take off all his cosmetics, equip the blaster and just hold out the pistol
FK OFF all weapon best tf2 and classsic 2
all ways Best MvM and Casuals game...
Whole video made in 5 maps currently reflects current state of the game- 1 map per game mode (rotation removed so every1 votes for same map), 1 loadout per class (even natasha is destroyed- like heavy having 200 hp with that 30 percent more damage taken.) The more game is balanced the less it is fun (like classic wow-WOTLK to current game where it became literal online shop with no soul), move on to IRL people- make movies, videos about games like this one or make music.
Baby Face feels like a huge power trip when you're doing good with it, and it feels like the worst hangover in the world when you're doing bad with it.
very true
So, playing Heavy?
The Eyelander in a nutshell
Isnt that just spy, heavy, sniper and demoknights main
Same with the eyelander
The scout apparently never actually outran his hitbox, people complaining and saying it did is what made valve nerf it
Yeah that was just a myth
Did research, and yes, this is actually false.
So valve essentially nerfed this for no reason
@@DazzleXDF then again that's the case 99% of the time
@@DazzleXDF yep
Actually, the scout never outran his own hitbox. It's already been tested several times on different interp ratios and it's not the case at all. It was however a serious balancing issue.
Reminds me of wolfenstein enemy front, or what the multiplayer to return was called. The guns where exactly the same, but they looked and sounded diffrent. After a lot of complaints that the german machinegun was overpowered, which was factually impossible, they looked at the data. They where dumbfounded. The kills where completly fucked. After some tinkering they found the problem. It was the fucking sound. The gun sounded better, so germ players where more confident and shot better.
Edit: It was the Thompson and it was Enemy Territory, not front
@@greulich9635 AWESOME!!!
@@greulich9635
Where can we read up on this?
This stupid claim can be debunked by the mere existence of rocket/sticky jumping
@@expendableround6186
th-cam.com/video/RDxiuHdR_T4/w-d-xo.html
I'm ashamed to say for years I thought this was called "Baby's Face Blaster"
thats a pretty funny name
I thought it was called “Baby Face Blaster”
Me too cause i thought it was adressing the fact that scouts is the youngest merc
Both wrong names sound like it shoots the face of a baby
@@Anasazi. Me too
That’s the first time I’ve heard the sonic theme that wasn’t earrape in a very long time
I’ve been made aware that the music I’m referring to is not in fact “the sonic theme” but instead “green hill zone”, thank you for correcting me.
But at the same time did it feel off to you to hear the original or is that just me?
DeAndre Jefferson oh for sure it felt weird as hell
@@aggravare After all of the remixes, it feels oddly nostalgic to hear the original.
Nanananananananananananana da do da da do da da da da....
"the sonic theme"
To be honest, I loved the original BFB, where you lost ALL your boost from jumping normally. Something very fun about planning routes around being entirely on the ground.
Same, and on lakeside (especially lakeside event) you could crouch while falling to land on the little platform without having to swim or jump. Stuff like that make the weapon really fun to maneuver without one of scouts biggest bonuses
Trading vertical movement for horizontal movement seems to be a very unfun mechanic
@@jacobwingers5206 It was obviously fun for some, as the OP said. It's a tradeoff for a reason
"Seems unfun"
If you weren't there, you don't know.
@@jacobwingers5206 Actually it felt awesome. Vertical movement may look cool on camera, but horizontal speed _FEELS_ fast. It was an amazing weapon and a huge shame that it was nerfed.
I'm seeing a bit of a pattern with these bad weapon academies, Secondary becomes equally if not more important than the primary
oh no, the demoman mains are coming
A fellow guy man I see.
@@davefromaccount6766 ey, what's poppin?
The epic showdown
Guy man
Vs
Guy man
@@vinnynash8517 I'd like to think it's more like the meme of the two spidermen pointing at each other.
Scout never outran his own hitbox, that's a myth
it is not a myth
@@connerbidlack6401 th-cam.com/video/0lfYpc5vxXA/w-d-xo.html
its a myth
@@connerbidlack6401 Wrong
@@Toons595
“Sondsmyth said it happen so it’s true!”
I like him, but this guy here is bringing evidence lol
it is, in fact, a myth. it got nerfed for no reason.
9:21 The issue involving the wrap assassin not working on certain slopes and almost all of Badwater is now fixed, so no need to fear hurting yourself with it.
Yea fish basically came when they fixed it
Ohh back in like 2012 it was so good. 6 shots, 10% more accurate, starting with the speed of a soldier and 100 damage got you up to 180% speed or something. Yes, you weren't allowed to jump AT ALL but that's fair. Most fun I've had as scout.
I miss it so much
Its still a pretty fun time using the babyfacesblaster but i use the madmilk instead of the cleaver bcs i still want to support my team a bit and it does give me some extra survivability
You could also drink the crit-a-cola for the speed bonus and become evil incarnate
It was really fun
@@NoxysPlace dear God....I think that may be the ultimate annoying scunt strat...
@@shadowgaming114 Surprisingly it wasn't even that annoying, since the moment Scout jumped he was dead.
You know what really pisses me off? The fact that I keep hearing that "sCoUt OuTrUnS hIs OwN hItBoX aT fUlL bOoSt" but I've never seen anyone actually prove it, I've searched for years but I've never seen any kind of hard evidence of this, just hearsay from people playing in servers where lag compensation is a thing
Same it’s really sad tbh.
Scout USED to outrun his own hitbox.
But yeah, people who say this nowadays are just laggy
wait holy shit
Solution for those that say that, they can just go battle engineer
Because it isn't true. Scout never could outrun his hitbox. The only time he could "outrun" his hitbox was by using a buggy command that showed inaccurate hitboxes to begin (it's such a bad and broken command that they actually completely replaced it in CS:GO). So basically, if you were using a console command that showed wrong hitboxes then the hitboxes would seem off- in other words: It didn't happen. Realistically it was more of the general pose bug (which flipped hitboxes) that existed for a decade that affected half of the classes in the game and led them to have inaccurate hitboxes anyways (though even the command that people used to showcase this bug is the same broken one that has the bad syncing between player model and hitboxes, so yeah).
4:11 Scout dies, immediately rages at the medic.
Ahh, TF2, never change...
he literally was in front of him at 10 health walking in a straight line
@mehdi Haddou Yeah lol probable wanted to shot him with crusader
in his defense the medic was gunning with a syringe gun so he couldn't really dodged that random pill
@Adam Klement Fanboy he was joking,
@Adam Klement Firstly, I doubt he would do the same, because its just a game and if you die got nobody to blame but yourself! Secondly, "shut up" the ultimate 8 year old insult, hurts a lot!
Scout: “I am speed!”
Fat Scout: “We are speed, comrade.”
Spy: ``I am, the spy.``
Ninjaneer: ``We are they spy, pardner``
@@footisman2059 Sniper: "Snipings a good job, mate"
Amby spy (look it was not nerfed to the ground.): "YESSS!!"
Scout: "I am speed!"
Demoknight: "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!" *shield bash*
Demoman: I make you go Kablewy.
Classic Sniper: Yah.
@@themonkeyman2910
Medic: **insert healing noises here** **manic laughter**
Hoovy: SANVICH HAHAHA
Ok but can we all just agree that the BFB looks absolutely DASHING? like seriously its probably the best looking scout weapon
It sounds like an absolute beefcake too.
looks the sexiest when paired with the pretty boy pocket pistol and the Boston basher.
@@cristinagomez3283 absolutely
gay
@@AR15andGOD oh goody! clowns!
2:25 "you fill it entirely by doing 100 damage which isn't too hard"
6:03 "it's kinda difficult for you to even get that 100 damage in the first place"
He was saying that 100 damage wasn't too hard for a scout that has a speed of 133% but the baby blaster makes it very difficult to achieve when you are 10% slower and have a clip size/magazine capacity reduced by 33%, unless the enemies are standing still
“unless they stand still for you”
@@ultraferal6138
(Cut to an oblivious Spy trying to backstab an AFK Razorback Sniper)
When you have -10 speed and you're scout it's kinda hard
I miss the old pocket pistol for one stat: the no fall damage when holding the weapon. this went perfect with countering the lost boost on fall damage (fitting as they are a part of the same set.)
I miss the original stat. No fall damage whatsoever. It was a match made in heaven
It made sense but it also sucked
20% more damage from anything
On scout?
No thank you
the no fall damage stat could be a scout core class stat when you crouch during falling you take no damage.
@@korhol2065 only take it out to block the fall damage.
"Boost Lost on hit"
On a Game where the bullets literraly Flys EVERYWHERE , it's a shit XD
Nah it's cool and awesome, i use it with healing pistol and candy cane
just as shit as your grammar
@@lionobama1397 I don't remember the need to complete a university-level thesis to be qualified for a trivial TH-cam comment.
Theo TV you don’t but someone else clearly does
@@lionobama1397 ok and?
This gun truly turns you into sonic. You're really fast but no matter how much health (rings) you have, getting hit once makes you super vulnerable
now i need to make a scout sonic loadout
the different clips always cut when a pyro appears lmao
These bad weapon academy videos are good, hope you make more!
@Marks WAAAIT MOM NEVER TOLD ME I HAD A BROTHER
FK OFF all weapon best tf2 and classsic 2
all ways Best MvM and Casuals game...
Hey, I like your videos, but I think I have a better way to use the baby faces blaster. I think the winger is a better secondary if used right. You are training of bleed for your jump back. The winger with one jump is almost the same as a normal double jump. I do think if you can aim the cleaver, then I do agree with using it over the winger. I do think the better melee is the Boston basher because if you run in, hit them with the basher, and run out, is very similar to the cleaver. The big drawback is if you hit yourself, but that can be fixed with practice. Anyway, that's all I have to say. Keep up your great videos
@@Henry-cl3gi the hell
# 4 the rightish bysion
Did you know: Scout can normally survive a direct hit by a solider.
With this gun you cant even survive a spash since you are so slow you might aswell be dead.
Not at point blank
@@vivelespatat2670 Only not at point blank if the soldier is using the direct hit or the scout is using the sandman/candy cane. The scout's max hp without overheal is 125. stock, beggars bazzoka, black box, cowmangler at point blank do 112 damage. Liberty launcher does around 60, and direct hit does like 145 damage at point blank
This argument is fucking stupid
@@leonardo9259 did you know dying is the most common death
@@eh2587 | Christ, the Liberty Launcher needs help.
Another good loadout I’ve heard of for the baby face is atomizer and winger. As soon as you take damage, you suddenly go from very horizontally mobile, to very vertically mobile, and can become a whirlwind around an enemy while you get your charge back.
I've actually noticed that the SoaS is actually a valid choice when using this weapon, as the 25% fire damage resistance is strangely applicable to attempting to escape from pyros while maintaining some of your boost.
I always use the three rune blade to maximize the sonic jokes.
@@sheacorduroy5565 MY WILL TO FIGHT THE KNIGHT!
@@friskycalibri2293 Yep. Caliburn all the way.
@@sheacorduroy5565 I'm the Knight of the Wind!
I suggest you do the sandman because that would be one hell of a history to stuff on to there
I second this
Along with the Cleaver
I remember when the sandman was actually good.
Who needs sandman when you have the natascha ;(
I actually have an idea for that one: what if(hear me out) we made it so it still just slows, but! If let's say, the scout were to damage you while slowed, it would make the slow last longer?
The current sandman makes me cry
yeah i remember when this weapon was a skuntgod, i use to be THAT scunt that capped on 2fort
1:send a guillotine into a gibus sniper on the battlements
2:cap intel 3 times to "win"
man, even typing this makes me hate my childhood self
I bet you killed friendlies
we all did something cringe in tf2 once. I used to accuse of rage heavy, but i realize now that it's as childish as a lenny face bind
"Even fall damage will do this"
That... Hurt my physically.
F for "Quick Man's Blaster"
I hope your "physically" is better now!
0:41 "We should do this again sometime" has the same energy as "Next time, eat a salad"
The winger also has decent synergy with the baby face, as it can get you hight simmeler to double jumping without using boost, and it’s kinda fun to switch between dodging with speed and dodging with jumping when you loose your boost
I just love seeing someone make a recommendation to use the wrap assassin. I remember when everyone was like "-%70 damage on hit? What a garbage weapon!" for a melee weapon on a class that has a shotgun designed to deal so much damage at point blank range. I have a hard time hitting an enemy with a melee attack in tf2 when I have like... a gun, but I never bother with the scout's bat, so having a long range poke option (that doesn't cost 15 hp from my max health) is nice to have and pairs well with this gun I believe.
Yes that's what I though too
WHEN are you ever gonna use Scout melee to attack someone at point blank, when you have multiples primary weapons that does it better
@@vivelespatat2670 normal melee is amazing with bfb: run behind someone, boink, boink, run away.
the random crits are beautiful.
@@Intelwinsbigly Everyone should know that the only classes where the stock melee isn't trash is demoman, engineer, sniper and spy.
@@Muhammad_Nuruddin Disagree, bfb + melee crits is not shit.
@@vivelespatat2670 Fish
A change that I think could work is that the 25 damage has to be in one hit for you to lose boost, so at least incidental chip damage and afterburn wouldn't drain it.
It might be a good idea to take away the hot downside and instead make it so the boost drains until you get some hits, that way it would encourage scout players to go more aggressive with the weapon
@@ericchew5325 Exactly.
Scout being able to outrun his hitbox has already been patched, iirc
@Zesty Zucc Correct, i guess Valve just wanted to punish people for wanting to use a non stock Scout primary.
@@asgth6147 so, wonder what the point of inventing a weapon with its own mecanic in a first place if it was to make it trash at a point the community assume it do not exist and all use the stock one, isn't it waste of time?
@@asgth6147 cool they should make it so the tomislav have -50% in your ammo reserve and -20% damage
Okay since when it fixed
@@jakman8515 it basically has -20% damage because it shoots slower by 20%
honestly, this isnt just a bad weapon academy video, its also probably the best tutorial on how to play bleedface scout. Good work fish.
I would love a weapon which is essentially the exact same as the Soda Popper, but the hype makes you run incredibly fast. Maybe it could have yellow bonk cans on the barrel instead.
Saying that imagining every weapon in the game as a Natasha is a perfect explanation for this once loved scunt gun. You just lose waaaay to much boost for far too little damage
A video on sniper, one on heavy and now on scout. Next one HAS to be either the Righteous Bison or Sharpened Volcano Fragment. Or something else idk
How can you even use the sharpened volcano fragment
It literally does what pyros other weapons do: set people on fire
And other weapons do that from long range while it's limited to melee range
Bison might be useful but idk how
@@he3004 playing medieval mode on a server without the small health kits on kill
capnomonkeys but the half zatouchi
@@he3004 one ingame tip at the loading screens say that you can used it with the flare gun for high damage
I can actually see this being fun
A flare gun/fragment nightmare who also has a dragons fury
Hears the phrase "aggression, not recklessness"
Sees Bloodborne
*Happy Hoonter noises*
This is the best TF2 related channel on youtube. Just pure information on how to play more effectively which can be used by anyone across all skill levels. Thank you for your content!
The overall video quality has room for improvement
You know a weapon is bad when a meter gets reset when you’re hit by the fucking sun on a stick
Max Boost : *"accelaration? yes"*
2 Pistol Shots Later : *"accelaration? no"*
I like how even tho he used his final smash and was literally invincible, his opponent still spiked him.
Wut
@@sud1881 Uncultured swine
@@mattfromwiisports9414 no I understood the reference but why on this video?
Back when I played TF2, I used to love the Baby Face's Blaster, and I saw first hand when that major nerf hit it. Dodge a bullet by not buying a professional killstreak one.
I really appreciate this series, so many weapons are betrayed abandoned and forgotten and basically the only time their mentioned is in soundsmith stereotype video's where he spends 10 seconds saying "this weapon is bad no one uses it but memers and new players" and little else, nice to see someone go in depth with them
this is why i like this guy
Honestly I would remove the "on hit you lose your speed" stat with a decaying boost, maybe you could shoot someone and gain the boost for like 2-3 seconds, then it starts decaying. I think it would promote the scouts hit and run playstyle way better.
if this was how it was, and the boost was either faster or took less damage to get to max, it would be super fun
@@CaptainFisticuffs0 I think it should be a hundred damage. So if say a demoman gets a pipe off, you’d be dead anyways, BFB or no.
this would make the weapon worse because you lose the ability to stay at a constant speed. Yes it is jarring when you get hit and lose your boost, but imagine slowly losing speed
I'll never understand why the Baby Face's Blaster doesn't use an inverse version of the Escape Plan. Run faster at high health, slower at low health.
Eh, I feel like it falls into the same sort of thing as the current gun: Forces outside your control dictate your speed and constantly messes with your aiming.
This is not a good idea, as this would justify scouts spamming "MEDIC!!"
@@cristinagomez3283 Yeah
Cuz scout is squishy... Hes almost constantly close to death
It would make your rollout too fast
How to use the BFB: *become ranged flava*
eyyyyy
The whole "scout outruns his his hitbox" was a complete myth
I’ve been trying to get better with the baby faces blaster and I’ve found that managing to get that extra speed boost is addictive as fuck, especially when I’m in the groove, I’ve also found that the pocket pistol and mad milk can be extremely useful, since both can be used as a method of regen along with the pocket pistol being a way to get a lil boost when you first start, since it can be fired from a distance and do more damage than the baby face
I remember playing with you in a 2fort server. I was the scout that changed to a pyro when you out scouted me.
I personally like the idea of making it work more consistently by borrowing from the eyelander, do enough damage you get a point on a counter, if you double jump or get damaged a certain amount you lose a point, points max out at 4 or 5 so you can't get to a point to where you have to many point for it to ever be a problem.
The fact people believed the scout outran his hit box is hilarious especially because there are ways to go WAY faster than a max BFB scout.
Pretty sure even rocket jumping soldiers go faster than BFB scouts. And projectiles DEFINITELY go faster, and they don't 'outrun' their hitboxes. If that was a thing there'd be people getting nailed by huntsman arrows for 0 damage, then other people randomly dying instantly from the hitbox 'catching up' later.
@@Winasaurus Exactly that claim made no sense. The demo charging, blast jumping soldiers, demos, and engies all go faster and there is probs more im forgetting.
5:09 that was a lie scout could never outrun his hitbox the mercs hitboxes are tied to the model itself also it’s just a speed increase if he were to outrun his hitbox then it would mean that the hitbox had a different speed value than the model.
a personal build i love with the blaster is crit-a-cola and wrap assassin. the assassin lets you do that oh-so-important bleed damage at long range, and minicrits removes all damage fall-off for your primary. minicrit bleed is also extremely deadly, and the synergies are just incredible.
4:08 HEAL YOUR SCOUTS, MEDICS.
nah they are hanging out with the engi now
STOP SLAMMING E WHEN THE HEAVY IS FIGHTING THE WHOLE ENEMY TEAM.
@@Soapromancer oh you are so naive, there is a reason that pocket scout exists, he is one of the best classes to Uber and to pocket in general
@@trx3640 - scout main
@@murloc9820 huh?
The cleaver is one of my favorite choices just because it's so satisfying to hit and 50+ extra burst damage from pretty much any range is so nice to have
how i see it, it needs to be changed to "lose 10% boost when hit" instead of " boost reduced when hit"
that way it can actually change how you deal with damage. single hits from soldiers, demos, other scouts, and snipers dont immediately drop you to zero and you can still run around quickly, while other weapons/classes either can be more useful agaisnt you or become a further rpoblem and you'd wanna stay away. any dmg over time weapons, pyro's flamethrower and secondaries, the heavy, the needleguns would be useful.
i could see this as a viable change adn actually make it fair, along side fixing being hit once by lilterally anything and becoming an immediate target with a very low chance of getting away ONTOP of losing all your charge you gained because you became an easy target
In hindsight, the "Scout outran his hitbox" myth probably coalesced due to the interp exploit scouts used to use by adjusting their interp values via keybinds.
I think the new baby face blaster was meant to work like a scout version big earner, using the speed you gain from one fight to get to the next or to retreat.
Great video! Love this series! I remember when the BFB was a terror in TF2... granted, it was very fun to play with, but I think Valve went a little nuts with the nerf, like damage decreasing speed is fine but 25 damage really had me scratching my head lol I think 50 should be the minimum
I still find myself performing well with the BFB mainly cuz its easy to catch enemies by surprise with the sheer 𝕊 ℙ 𝔼 𝔼 𝔻 of this lad
So people be saying that the BFB is bad.
I like it because you can be a faster t-pose scout.
Really
4:11 *Runs into bomb*
*Blames medic*
I mean, although it's not really the meds fault, if he actually healed him not carelessly crossbowed into the enemy team he wouldn't have died
it's actually really good against demos because it throws off all their muscle memory, I honestly love it a lot
I practically stan the Baby Face Blaster. It's a great weapon to practice aiming with, especially paired with the Boston Basher and Pretty Boys Pocket Pistol.
12:23 hey that spy was me before I found out who FSoaS was
0:05 the reason why we need a sonic cosmetic for scout
Probably Sonic/Shadow for B.L.U. and R.E.D. respectively
8:20 Very happy that you mentioned this. I love having a tri-meter. The Soda Popper is also an acceptable primary
I just watch your videos on repeat until you post. I love your voice and editing. Amazing jokes and so many little tid bits that make me smile. Please make more videos I love you so much
Remember when this thing used to be overpowered?
Luckily, I think the only change this weapon needs to be viable again is changing how much Boost you lose when taking damage. Currently, if you get hit with 30 damage you lose 90% your Boost meter (which is what makes the weapon useless). They should change it so that if you take 30 damage you only lose 30% of your Boost meter.
Edit: And fall damage shouldn't remove Boost either; basically all the changes they did to the Tide Turner.
fix hitbox
So every 1 dmg is 1% down?
@@josephbrainard441 That used to be how the old one worked, and it was seriously OP as fuck
Or maybe make it so that you don't lose Boost through damage, but it drains over time. So, you'll have to keep using your ridiculous speed to run back into the fight.
FK OFF all weapon best tf2 and classsic 2
all ways Best MvM and Casuals game...
Four words to describe how 99% of Baby Face's Blaster Scouts use the weapon:
Get good, get lmaobox
Never seen it used with cheats. I've only seen the stock and force-a nature
I think what would be cool is soundsmith’s suggestion. Where when you get hit, the boost starts to decay, but doesn’t decrease more when getting hit. So you can maintain your boost, while getting hit for 15 damage.
Like a tug of war where you and the enemy team are fighting over who deals the last bit of damage. Neat.
Been trying your strategy havent had that much fun as scout in a long time
I like how getting the holy meter trinity its one of the best reasons to use bfb
i personally think valve ought to remove the double jump penalty. if getting hit by anything at all drastically decreases your boost, you should have more tools available to dodge enemies and keep that boost.
I’d say that the baby face’s blaster is still good. It’s just often thought of being used by new clueless players.
7:20 personally i use the pretty bois pocket pistol because it has extra firing speed for burst damage and health
Fun fact: my brother actually inherited the shotgun this weapon is based on from our great-grandfather. It’s pretty cool IRL.
So next school shooting we should expect to see him doing a mad dash around the country?
Neat. What would the name of that gun's model be? Is Model the right word for it? I don't know Guns were never my thing.
@@macabweu7682 I think model is the right word, although I don't know the lingo super well either, tbh. It's called a Browning Auto-5.
I certainly have few things to say here :v
First, really neat video analyzing this weapon regarding what current tactics (i.e guillotine) helps to ease the fluctuating boost as well as examining what flaws it has in current form as a result of the notable nerf in form of damage removing boost at 1 to 4 rate to fix an issue about hard-hitting scouts that honestly was more about eliminating the horizontal movement combined with rapid side step strafing double-jumps (which I used a lot back in the day) being reason as the whole running faster than his hit-box has never been confirmed in practice, since Soldiers and Demos tend to be 3-5 times faster on average when blast jumping except their fast speed in air was negated mostly due to predictable arc of the flight as well as being hurt to begin with). Not blaming you from mentioning the hit-box thing thou as it has been popularly around ever since the infamous date: mere exposure effect at its finest.
Secondly, while idea of simply adjusting the damage removing on the boost into 1-to-1 ratio, I feel like having a flip-flopping effect on your movement is not really that good for a weapon that has concept for getaways in horizontal ways (compared to Soda Popper having vertical buff as a reward of enough damage).
Thus I probably would make more significant but possibly interesting changes to BBF as follows:
> Remove the double jumping and damage reducing the boost.
> Remove the progressive boost gain relevant to the amount the meter is filled.
> Apply the Boost-meter to be activated with right-click (or by taunting) once it is full, giving 5-8 seconds of 173% run speed.
> Increase damage needed for a full meter to 300-400 dmg.
> (OPTIONAL): No double-jumping while Boost is activated.
These stats basically come to my mind as a way to balance Boost into being something you decide where to use it: to flee, to flank or to get oneself a short advantage to combat a target which would require having to deal with being constantly slower than stock Scout and having less ammo in a clip in order to emphasize into more situational hit-and-run side-grade of a weapon. After all, constantly passive elements are pretty tricky to balance especially if they're supposed to get filled by just doing what your class is meant to do (examples being Eyelander on Demoman giving damage and health buff up to 5 kills or how Soda Popper used to charge simply by running), where as the more static activated buffs allows for more room to think which I feel can be used on Natascha to adjust something more fair than constant slowdown effect...
Buuut, that is a different pickle to tackle so in meanwhile I would like to hear politely any opinions to my concept for swapping stats on BBF. Anyhoo, mini-lecture over: back to sipping drinks and seeing into future for more of your content. Keep it up, Fsoas!
like 5 or 6 years ago i was good at using this weapon but i think now it goes so fast my elderly mind can't comprehend it
1:39 I'd eat that cereal
0:30
My brain: peace of cake
Me: peace of cake
Also my brain: _p i z z a c a k e_
Is actually piece of cake
14:11 how tf did that engie even get there lmao
sentry jump
10:20 I don’t want to annoy this engineer
*pulls out wrangler*
Fish: so you have chosen, D E A T H
I'll never forget my first godlike killstreak. Got boost off a tunnel vision Gibbus sniper, went without taking damage for 23 more kills, got hit by the edge of a scorch shot explosion, lost my boost to the afterburn, and immediately died.
I think this weapon should be changed to an aggressive weapon with the speed boost but instead of losing it to a syringe gun half the map away, you lose it constantly, not as fast as it to be annoying, but fast enough for you to be doing damage the entire time, i think it would take it from a "get in and get out" gun to an aggressive type of gun, thats where the clip size comes in to make it balanced, you have to be doing damage consistently for your boost to be goin up, i think it would be a great change to the gun
Time to witness the market value of the Baby Face's Blaster spike
It's the Lone Survivor all over again.
These are the stats i think will make the baby face's blaster decent
-Deal 175 dmg to gain full boost
-recive 100 dmg to lose your boost
-one less jump(aka no double jump)
FIX THE PROBLEM THAT CAUSED THIS WHOLE MESS IN THE FIRST PLACE
-scout can no longer out run his hitbox
I mean the entire reason the lose boost on hit was added is because scout out running his own hitbox at full boost, if you fix scout being able to outrun his hitbox is fixed then there's no reason to have the lose boost when hit downside
@@eh2587 maybe so but the scout needs to lose his boost some how other than dying since he cant double jump to lose boost
Update*
250 damage for full boost
Boost depleates over the course of 20 seconds
-1 jump (no double jump) (can still double if you have the atomizer equiped and have it out and active)
He cannot outrun his hitbox. That was a myth. If that were happening, rocket jumping would be busted.
@@ChaseVaccaro-ge3gk i forgot i even made this comment
A rework idea I had.
User spawns with 15% less movement speed
If the user kills a enemy with the weapon they will gain a 15% faster movement speed increase stacking to 45% faster movement speed
Double jumping temporarily disables any gained movement speed for 4 seconds.
5 shot clip.
someone: gives you a light slap on the face
boost: *AAAAAAAAAA*
U forgot the "strategy" of : " fuck it get full boost and run with a fish"
All these bad weapon academy episodes just remind me of back in the day when so many weapons were strong and fun to use. Now most of them are so weak it's sucked all the fun out of the game.
i'm getting the tingle to give this game a few rounds again after what, 10 years? about that. but i hear it's a cheater's nest and that instantly turns me off.
@@GraveUypo Go to community servers and look up uncletopia. No bots, fixed shotgun spray and no random crits.
@@ultimatederp5069 You mean soytopia?
honestly, in my opinion the baby face's blaster just buffs you against what you're already strong against and severely nerfs you against what you're decent / bad against
everyone clowns on this gun but if youve EVER gotten a kill with a cleaver, you know how satisfying that is and combine with basically a full boost, greatest feeling ever.
Hates the scorch shot
Encourages you to be a long range pesterer
Value should change it to like the soda popper style where u store boost and active them when u need to. And they can get rid of the on hit lose boost and slower speed due to the boost being active than passive.
8:37 The BWASS is actually one of my steam friends lmao
"[...] this set highly encourages you to play as a long-range pesterer..." Gee, that's like, as if you were using the Scorch Shot but as Scout. The hero unknowingly becomes the villain.
Sorry, I just hate it when people hate the Scorch Shot even though other classes can do the exact same thing. Good video.
Except you have to aim the cleaver and the ball since they don’t have splash damage and you can’t throw another cleaver two seconds after the first one 16 times in a row. This is hardly an equivalence, it’s much more comparable to the regular flare gun.
@@fishstickonastick-gaming As a matter of fact, the Wrap Assassin does have splash damage, granted, it's so small and doesn't apply the bleeding effect so you don't even notice it. But in the end, you are still doing virtually the same thing, long to medium range DoT chip damage that is annoying more than anything else. And if you're accurate and patient enough, you can stack the Guillotine along with the WA's ball to do double the amount of bleeding, similar in the sense that the Scorch Shot awards mini-crits on burning players.
I am not arguing that the cleaver/assassin combo is as spammy and annoying as just using the Scorch Shot, I agree that the Scorch Shot is annoying, but at the end of the day, the cleaver/assassin and the Scorch Shot give and reward the player the same thing. DoT chip damage at a medium to long-range.
@@kleskthewarlock scorch shot is still way more busted. you can literally hit people twice with ONE projectile. if you get a direct hit with both the cleaver and the wrap assasin, you do twice the damage. you get a direct hit with the scorch shot, which sets you on fire, and then the projectile falls and you can get hit again, this time with a minicrit. shoot again, hit directly, and guess what? two minicrits in one projectile, not to mention the cooldown is way smaller on the scorch shot compared to the other two weapons. granted, you still have to hit a direct hit to get the two hits, but even if you miss, you're likely to get hit anyway due to that splash radius. that's why the other two flares are nowhere near as good, and why the comparison between the scorch shot and cleaver/wrap assassin is a joke.
@@Hyperiotic I never said the cleaver/assassin combo is as broken as the Scorch Shot. I said that by using both, you are achieving the same thing. The Scorch Shot's literal job is to make Pyro into a long-range pesterer, to deter Sniper's and groups of enemies from a distance using chip damage. Those are nearly the same jobs the cleaver and Wrap Assassin have, just at a shorter range. If anything, FSoaS saying the cleaver/assassin combo encourages Scouts into being long-range pesterers is the joke, because the main goal is to use the Baby Face's Blaster, not the cleaver/assassin.
I remember times where I effortlessly capture briefcases in 2fort simply because I was too fast that either the enemy team couldn't build their sentries fast enough, or I literally outrun their sentries' aim.
When you want to shoot a gun but someone sneaks behind you and does the shortstop push move:
“I have crippling depression.”
is this where the ranged flava came from