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To all the fools.. Hulk has never hurt any innocents..you are putting separate times together in which it was explained by Marvel that the hulk systematically has attacked where and in a way that innocents wont be hurt...so the penance stare wont work on him period . BRUCE would have to have been the 1 for the stare to work on...
Yep
Tbh this is kinda marvel nonsense he's demolished entire skyscrapers
If comics would have any sense, Hulk would have killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people already😅 In every story he endangers countless of people and with any common sense countless dead too. Men, women and children. So Hulk is mass murderer. Trying to say something else is just nonsense. But in comics also ordinary people seem to be immortal then😂
So all the times he hulked out and fought in cities he never ever hurt anyone or killed anyone on the sidelines ?
@@houzukimaru1 Yeah, comics😅
The Hulk has literally wiped out cities in collateral damage which is why the illuminate sent him away, he has killed literally thousands of innocents....
I agree but did you know everytime hulk has gone on rampage, their is certain reason. He may have killed innocent people under someone's influence or he is being mind controlled. But as far as I know and I read in comics their isn't a single plot he has killed a innocent person knowingly.
And in case of World breaker hulk, he got out of controlled because of the radiation he absorbed from the planet.
@@Comic-Nationwhat about the maestro version of hulk?
@@estevao6 he hasn't faced ghost rider in comics but if he ever does I think ghost rider can use his powers on him.
It’s been retconned that banner subconsciously stops hulk from killing innocents.
Correction,
“GhostRider can kill Hulk If he *INTENTIONALLY* harms an innocent person”.
Hulk has unintentionally hurt a lot of people in his life. Which is Why he’s so depressed and hates his powers.
Every action Hulk took on Earth during the WWH sequence was intentional and premeditated, and there's no way that all the destruction didn't result in the deaths of innocents. The best argument you could make is that all those homicides were negligent, but Hulk absolutely knew that innocents would die and he attacked anyway.
@@elric9992000Hulk, but not Bruce banner
@@elric9992000there are panels of him protecting people from collapsing buildings like when Strange loses his shit due to him summoning Zom’s powers and not being able to control them and he also gave plenty of time before attacking for the innocents to evacuate NYC. By no means is the Green Scar perfect but he always makes sure to protect the people.
@@kenny7209great point!
@@elric9992000he literally went on a rampage because they killed Rick and a bunch of other innocent people.
The penance stare works differently from writer to writer but the most powerful version (and the OG 1) made whoever the recipient of it feel the pain and suffering of those they've harmed, innocent or guilty.
Right XD everyone being like 'no, it has 372 conditions' like... Mfr I'm sure it's different in some side story here or there but original character as the story goes and overarching consistency, penance stare is essentially a divine power. Literally a fallen angel, the spirit of vengeance or something....
I get that stuff shifts around, but as originally portrait, it's just that simple. It says what it does on the box. It's karmically tied to the substuff of reality at a divine level.
Realistically, idk if God himself or the devil even could justifiably be immune to it(maybe they wouldn't be subject to it, but .... That's a maybe)
The only people who are ever able to overcome, beat, or even survive penance stare are wearing LOTS and LOTS of plot armor
@@tandava-089Probably only God lol. Imagine Hulk receiving penance stare, that's gotta hurt a lot
@@tandava-089It's unlikely we'll see him in the MCU and frankly it's better that way rather than to Nerf him to oblivion. Some characters are too strong to make sense in something like MCU
@@Wall_E. Facts
Yeah it was meant to literally be the concept of Penance in its truest form. Now it’s dependent upon someone’s remorse, the moral alignment of anyone that person harmed, if they can use magic (which originally didn’t matter), and these rules aren’t even followed consistently
Yeah he did the penance stare on world breaker hulk Ghost Rider and nothing happened because he didn't hurt innocent people that luminati was guilty so Ghost Rider left. Another marvel character he did it to was The punisher Ghost Rider did his penance stare and 20 sure said I regret nothing and nothing happened to The punisher because he didn't kill innocent people
😂yea didnt the punisher use a bus full of children strapped to a bomb to lure some villains out
@@rtdaboss92I think it only works if you have regret
@@jonathanharris6214 it doesnt work that way because if it did ppl punisher thanos would have never died and almost everyone he uses it on wouldn't have died it only works on people who KILLED the innocent directly like an example if he had a bomb and his opponent used the bomb t0 kill a innocent HE didnt kill the person the villain did make sense?
Yea writer majorly fucked up and didn't pay attention to what he was writing. Hulk has killed many people maybe not intentionally but he has.
Still Ghost Rider can kill most of the heroes without penance stare
That's not how it works. The penance stare only affects people with their own guilt. When Ghost Rider tried using it on Deadpool, it just showed him a greatest hits clip.
Same for thanos, hell bro used the penance state to get hard lmao
Regret thing is only a thing in a small number of ghost comics and in them comics it kinda don't make sense either. U think all the pure evil people and beings like demons he has killed with it regretted any of it.
Penance stare killed people in the movies on top of making them feel regret. How exactly does it work canonically?
@@Yoriichi_Tsugikuni___and then he pulled the "PENANCE" On him and evaporated the mf
@@appletherapyit uses your regret to kill you basically. To burn your soul. If you don’t have any regret or no soul or have more than 2 eyes , it ain’t gonna work
The penance state is horribly inconsistent from writer to writer. Generally it’s supposed to FORCE the victim to feel the guilt and pain of their crimes, but has been used as a retreat type of deal when writers don’t want GH to kill someone super important.
It’s a hard ability to balance, because when written with its original internet it’s been used to incapacitate GALACTUS of all people.
This story was featured in the 90s Fantastic Four cartoon in the second season 😳
The Galaxtud bring killed by Ghost Rider is probably one of the most well known and popular scenes, it's common knowledge to every comic fan. A better feat would be Cosmic Ghost Rider fighting against Knull.
cause comics are shit and terribly written 😂
Facts. They change it around all the time for the sake of the plot. They can’t have a extreme powerhouse all the time. Which sucks ass. They make some stupid reason on why his beyond god like abilities somehow don’t work on certain people lol. On one hand there’s comics where ghost rider gets humiliated and on the other hand comics where he’s unstoppable.
Meanwhile. Play any Hulk videogame to see how innocent he is.
The civilians are immortal when you punch them in the hulk game
Ultimate destruction is an all time super hero game and I spent the whole thing being a massive villain
Some people underestimate the power of the penance stare, it’s a one shot for anyone who has any type of regret
That's only in a few interpretations
@@infinityhand6569yeah sometimes the person doesn't need to feel regret. That makes it even more op
@@lucifermagne7458no they need regret thats hoe it has always functioned
@@faith4657noooooooo u seriously think all the demons and Thanos he has killed with it felt regret. Now if u believe tht u sir need some help
@@colemikel8976 They did, cause if it works on demons which shouldn't have a soul when we know it hasn't worked on punisher and Thanos, so stop being so dense, cause them's the rules.
That fact he hasn't hurt anybody innocent is unreal. He destroys buildings single handedly 🤣💪🏾
Yes but in comic logic and plot armor, as long the heroes has reason, it's just collateral damage and they're innocent. Besides, you can't argue because all comic hardcore fan will find all plot hole to make it right😂
In that case plot twist there is a universe just like this one with world breaker hulk and this time he did kill a innocent there problem solved see how dumb marvel logic is I could just say there is a universe where he is a murderer it's not that hard
@@StckYefingurinitcorrect. And you could make that story your own.
The beauty in the freedom alternative timelines and a lack of canon is one of the strongest features stories can have. Writing and thinking of stories isolated from others may help an author to focus on attributes of characters that wouldn't work on all settings and give the reader an ability to think of characters outside of what we normally see.
Actually Penance stare is about guilt, and Hulk felt none.
Same with Punisher. Or Thanos.
If the Penance Stare was about causing harm, it would be called Justice Stare and not Penance Stare
He literally killed thousands of people and feels regret and guilt over that. I think the penance stare should work on him. This was mainly plot armor for the hulk.
I'm still mortified that the MCU didnt do this story justice. It truly is one of my favourite. So many iconic moments like when he crushes the hands of doctor strange.
This would be a better reason for Batman to keep up his code than the current one.
He's so prepared that he even has a moral defense system.
Thats cap!!! I pretty sure Hulk has unknowingly killed hundreds even thousands of innocent people in all his years of blind rages leading to catastrophic damages
Nah, banner subconsciously stops hulk from killing innocents
@@kingmoneilius7777 how many times we've seen hulk destroyed large buildings in fully populated cities, you mean to tell me NOOne gets injured or killed. In the real world he'd be a mass murderer
@@mrgrandi well for 1, hulk doesn’t really rampage through cities that often in the first place, the dude hangs out in empty ass New Mexico most of the time. 2. That statement was essentially supposed to retcon hulk killing innocents during rampages, so in marvel canon he doesn’t kill innocent people.
Well how would hulk know, he doesn't seem like the most sensible when it comes to collateral damage.
@@mrgrandi generally speaking, the only time we get hulk in a city is either when someone instigated it (he's acting in self defense), or someone has stripped his control away (so it's not hulk or banner doing it, despite it being their body)
You’re telling me, in all of comic history, Hulk has never killed an innocent person?
As in comic there isn't a single plot where he killed a innocent person. Yes, he has killed people but they weren't innocent.
Nah this is shit writting. Hulk has killed innocents on accident before. World breaker hulk probably didnt have anh regret...just like thanos...and frank castle....and carrol danvers
Marvel writing at its finest.
@@Comic-Nationthe 500 civilians that were in the bulding he landed during a rampage: 👹
@@Comic-Nationhe has killed innocents just not intentionally, you should reread that fight again closely
This for sure was a loophole. Maybe not killed directly but the second hand deaths have to be through the roof. Imagine living in a town and Bruce comes in for a bite at the local diner. Some villain sits down next to him and strikes up a convo. Hours later the town is a sink hole. Peoole have lost everthing and later on died of depression and heart break. Families torn apart. Lives altered forever. If that dont deserve some penance, nothing does
A power of Hulk that a lot of readers do not know and writers overlooked:
Super Sensitivity. Hulk knows when to raise the gloves and when to remove them when smashing. With gloves, nobody dies. Without gloves, all hell lets loose on whoever he's angry at.
With all his rage and destruction it is impossible that he never hurt an innocent.
One Below all laughing in the Corner 😂
God characters are so boring are they even worth mentioning
@@Jack-mz9jz You Got a point but....
this is maybe why the stare didn't work😂
It's cannon in the comics that all the hulk seem to be different entities. World breaker hulk, savage hulk, immortal hulk, etc. In the comics when savage hulk goes back to skaar, he has absolutely no memories of what world breaker experienced. I imagine ghost rider would have beaten savage hulk because savage hulk is responsible for a majority of innocent deaths
No duh. That’s why Hulk’s a hero. And why he and Ghost Rider are two of my favorites. 😁
He also did the Penance Stare on Frank Castle was unaffected, he stated " I regret nothing." So it wasnt Franks latent powers, lol, he only harmed the guilty and went out of his way to safeguard the innocent. Sweet.
He might be able to but Ghost rider can't keep the Hulk down.. Hulk is Immortal.
I wouldn't say Immortal but then again, If a dude packed with gamma radiation can outlast everyone on earth ... That would technically make him *'Immortal"*
@@shellknight1323 Hulk is literally Immortal,there was a whole 50# issue book dedicated to that... Hulk has always been Immortal and the recent Immrotal Hulk book simply touched on that.. Hulk has been resurrecting from death for over 50+ years... Hulk is directly connected to TOBA.
Hulk is absolutely Immortal
@@David_Scar
Civil War II #3.
Ghost rider killed Galactus he is also immortal lol
Ghost Rider will just burn his soul to nothingness. Let's see the green Mary Sue NPC revive from that.
Ghost rider is way too strong that even the writers just don't know what to do with him
I remember that tie-in, one of the first comics I ever read.
I've only seen the Penance Stare backfire when used against the Punisher & Venom. 😮
There's a caveat to this, Hulk, or anyone for that matter would have to KNOW they're unaliving innocents.
Dude he can turn a hevaily populated city into a parking lot with his fights Bruce Banner is a genius scientist don't bs Hulk/Banner can take a guess people are dead under all that rubble
@@zackdelarosa14 Hulk is a split personality with the intellectual capacity of a young child, so judging him is so wrong.
@@orutakawatenga8820you just moved your own goal post dude. Your cavaet is just bad writing in Marvel's part. They don't know how their own characters work. They do this crap all the time.
So the thousands of random bystanders who get ground to fine powder beneath Hulk's city-toppling rampages aren't "innocent" enough for Ghost Rider?
Penance stare is about guilt.
If they feel no guilt, it won’t do much.
@@kingol4801man people keep goin on about this but this shit is inconvsistent as hell. Penance stare us a plot device at this point
@@kingol4801sorry but you don't know nothing, maybe Ghost rider can't kill Hulk cuz Hulk didn't do anything wrong, but he can easily turn him into normal human
@@kingol4801So Galactus and Thanos feel guilt but Hulk doesn't?
Another reason I love both these characters. Ghost rider being an actual super hero and the hulk just wanting justice
Me playing hulk ultimate destruction on the PS2
"Wait am I the good guy?"
Penance Stare = The Crow transferring all his beloveds pain. Loved that with The Crow.
Fun fact punisher survived the penance stare after he heard frank castle killed hundreds
No one can beat the hulk! Idc about the MCU. Idc about what different writer's think. Hulk smashes everyone and everything!!
Your what ifs are some of the most entertaining and ive been watching for at least a year if not more. I hope this gets a part 2✌
Guess what....Hulk feels no guilt....Hulk small skull man
Forget the penance stare, he’s a demon from hell. That alone should give him the power to kill just about anyone!
demons are just fallen angels. they are not god. if thor's power is capped at a limit, how can demons be limitless
@@syedfarukhaider1330 didn’t say they were limitless. I did say they were powerful. Usually more powerful than a mortal. They weren’t born, they were created from power, not flesh. The hulk is flesh and contrary to belief, mortal!
@@vr4892the immortal hulk....
@@Alex_ander83 maybe
@@Alex_ander83
Civil War II #3.
Not so immortal.
Meanwhile Thanos used penance stare to himself for motivation. Ghost rider was literally a handheld infinite cocaine.
I find that incredibly hard to believe the Hulk has never hurt an innocent person.
In comics its stated Banners subconscious keeps him away from innocents during rampages.
Hulk accidentally unaliving one person and receiving the penance stare would feel like a bug bite to him.
One person’s pain is nothing compared to what he has experienced in battle.
Ghost rider: did yall really have me fight someone that hasnt hurt any innocent people once in his life?... The fucks wrong with yall?
Illuminati: .....
🤣 🤣 🤣 I'm done funny stuff
The penance stare isn’t about who he hurts, it’s about if he has any degree of regret about it, which is why it doesn’t work on the punisher, not because he only hurts bad people, but because he doesn’t regret his actions
And thereby ladies and gentleman, that is why the Hulk is indestructible, because no one is innocent!!!!
😅🙏🏻😇👍🏻😝
I remember explaining this to my hulk-fan elementary school classmate 15 years ago.
I remember the Hulk's first appearance in Ghost Rider. They had a rather anticlimactic fight.😆😆😆
Sorry About The Curse Guys. Okay. This Could Happen To You Jossie Powell.
It seems pretty unbelievable that no innocent people would be hurt when there are skyscrapers collapsing in the background.
It's hard to think that Hulk never stepped over the line when he called himself Joe Fixit.
Cool
In all the years of open battles, Hulk has never hurt anyone? Plot armor. No one can cause that much destruction without having at least one innocent caught in their wake.
Your telling me in all of the Hulks long history he has never hurt an innocent person? I find that far-fetched. Yet another reason Ultimate Hulks is far superior.
Even if he did, Hulk doesn’t stay dead. To (probably mis-)quote Maestro, “Death doesn’t mean the same thing for us as for others.”
GR: you best be on your damn best behaviour you hear me?
Hulk: Yes. But no......but yes
So he uses the penance stare on Hulk. Hulk is immediately hit with indescribable pain. Sending him into an even deeper rage.
Now Ghost Rider is fighting Titan Hulk and the Earth gets ripped in half. Solid job Johnny
How psychotic is Thanos to get the pennis stare every morning like he's drinking a cup of coffee
Fun fact. The penance stare doesn't work on deadpool. Because he truly doesnt think anyone he's killed is innocent. So he treats the penance stare like a highlite reel showing his coolest kills.
Ghost rider: “you intentionally kill any innocent people?”
Hulk: “no”
Ghost Rider: “understandable have a good day”
The concept that Hulk has never once hurt an innocent is ridiculous.
Gonna be honest. Ghost Rider without a human to limit its power would in incinerate even world breaker hulk
Hard to say that he didn't kill any innocent, & is the most feared; he is "The One Below All".....👁️
Buildings fall down, streets collapse, ships fall from sky.. but nope... no innocents were killed... uh huh. Riiiiight
Interesting I enjoyed listening to this
He can make more damages then Fightman that's for sure!!.
That’s a nice fairy tale touch. But irl, Hulk would be causing thousands of innocent collateral deaths.
If the penance stare makes you feel the pain of all the people that you have killed, then Thanos is a one big masochist. He kept Ghost rider by his side to benefits from his penance stare, it makes Thanos feel blissful from seeing all his horrible achievements.
Also it is subjective to the person who commits the actitions, so if the hulk sees everybody on earth as an enemy then the hulk would be fine.
Also thanos did not care when he met the ghostrider because thanos is insane.
The hulk has NEVER intentionally harmed an innocent, not in 70 years of comics. Amadeus Cho proved it in the WWH run. The hulk ( no matter what version) mathematically calculates how hard to throw a punch, land, jump, etc before doing anything. He calculates how much rubble will fall, where the car will land and so on. The ONLY time he’s actually been out of control was at the end of the WWH run when he asked them to stop him before he broke the world. The one above all hulk also confirmed this
Wow, gotta love that pseudo 3D effect of the second panel! How they did that?... Parallax, maybe? 🤔
I feel like making the hulk feel the pain of the deaths of others would have the opposite effect and only serve to make him even more angry.
Also after his fight with Tony in age of Ultron you see him actively experiencing guilt. Which implies subsequently that he did accidentally kill people in that fight with Tony.
How the penance stare should work: you will feel all the pain you've ever caused whether it be physical, emotional or otherwise
Damn so all the people within those buildings wasn’t enough that’s crazy
the future hulk of earth 2099 be fearing this dude xD
Yes and no. The pennace stare can only work on those who feel any regret for it even if it's only subconsciously. Hence why Deadpool is immune to the pennace stare. He knows he's in a comic book and that none of it is real so he truly has no regrets for anyone he kills.
The collapsing buildings and the people inside them: yeah. Definitely not innocent people dying.
I like how Hulk destroyed many building during his many rampages, and not a single person was hurt. Even the superheroes and villains he fought against never got hurt.
Hulk destroys whole cities. But in this comic no one was ever hurt.
It's a catch 22. The sentient version of the Hulk goes out of his way to avoid killing innocents, and the berserk hulk that destroys cities doesn't have the presence of mind to feel guilt.
Ghost Rider did the penance stare on Galactus and it worked. It works on any creature with a soul.
The penance state for thanos is
Like a Tuesday
It’s like the mf who wrote this comic doesn’t realize just how much collateral damage occurs whenever any of the avengers have their big old fight with the bad guy’s army lol
GR is like “stareeeeee…..ok nothing to see here folks, bye!”
I think the people killed by Hulk need better lawyers if they don't qualify.
This after the nerf... Originally the penance stare just killed anyone, having remorses or not.
It's not that he didn't kill innocents it's that when they died it was not his fault, he usually just gets attacked by random villains and the innocents die as collateral damage
keep in mind here that the stare only works when the person is aware of having hurt innocent ppl.
so if Hulk were to actually believe the random grandma on the street were trying to hurt him he could smash her and GRs stare wouldn't do shit still
Penance Stare didn't work on Frank Castle because he had absolutely zero regrets and TRULY BELIEVED his one-man war was justified.
As far as i know, the penance stare works depending on how much suffering you have caused, not if you hurt willingly or not innocent people.
I guess we forgot about the time Ghostrider beat the Hulk by settng him on fire using hellfire. Hulk couldn't put it out and copped out. 😂😂
Hulk staring into ghostriders eyes while pounding everyone
Like you wish these punks were innocent don’t ya 😂😂😂😂😂
Yo Thanos got the ghost rider penance stare
I don't even think the penance stare would kill him either way. He'd probably be like thanos and just enjoy their pain.
Little 8 year old Suzie after a building falls on her on a Tuesday morning: Bruh, what
Hulk is out there tearing down cities Monday to Friday like a Power Ranger and somehow isn’t liable lol
When the Hulk was being controlled by an evil entity, he went after little Franklin Richards. At the time, the Hulk was wielding Thor's hammer, Mjolner. However, the moment that he endangered an innocent child, he became unworthy and he instantly lost the ability to hold it. In Hulk's defense, he was being controlled against his will.
I think there was a comic scan at some point where it apparently that the ghost rider couldn't or wouldn't use his penance stare on the hulk because he couldn't separate the "souls" so he could end up hurting Bruce's personalities that did nothing as well as the hulk
Pretty sure that comic said ghost rider can beat hulk without the stare. When the ghost rider took over completely he was more than powerful enough to kill the hulk but left because he deem his action righteous
Hulk has hurt tons of innocent people during his rampages, just usually by accident.
planet hulk looking so badass
The stare doesn't work on those who have blind rage and no regrets.
Thanos used the Galactic Ghost rider penance stare every morning as motivation, to remember all his atrocities. Quite literally eating fear and danger for breakfast lol
Hulk would just get even more pissed in my opinion.
I swear I've heard 90 stories of Ghost Rider's penance stare failing and 0 of it working.
It works on muggers and bank robbers. It's like one of those instant death final fantasy spells that only works on scrubs you can one shot anyway, but never works on boss fights.
Thanos and Galactus.
This comic came off a good Planet Hulk run and totally cucked me. The fact they try to argue the Hulk never had collateral damage was absurd, even for comics.