Dodge Cummins 10 speed walk around and drive
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- In this video I do a walk around and drive my 1997 Dodge Cummins that I put an RTO610 Eaton Roadranger 10 speed in
IATCO 3921263-IAT B Series Cummins Flywheel (5.9-L) Replaces 3921263 & 4933458
www.amazon.com/dp/B014V0H48A/...
DB Electrical SNK0021 Starter
Unit Type: Starter
Voltage: 12
Rotation: CW
Teeth: 10
Starter Type: OSGR
Replaces OEM Numbers:
AC DELCO: 323-504
ARROWHEAD: SNK0021
ARROWHEAD (OEM): IMI25002-017, NK0-23000-2238
CARGO: 112253
CUMMINS: 3675172RX, 3924410, 3935071
DELCO: 10461477, 10465151, 10465314, 10479615, 10479618, 10479625, 10479638, 10479641
FORD: F3HT-11001-DB, F3HT-11001-DC, F3HZ-11002-B, F4HT-11001-BA
J & N: 410-12121, 410-12757
J & N (OLD): 410-12121R
LESTER: 6585
MOTORCRAFT: SA-803
NIKKO: 0-23000-2238, 0-23000-2388, 0-61000-0190, 0-61000-0220
NSA: STR-7056
REMY LIGHT DUTY: 63145
UNIPOINT: STR-7056
WAI: 6585N www.amazon.com/dp/B0081SBZ8E/...
Timken 305DD Pilot Bearing
www.amazon.com/dp/B000BZ6XD2/...
Flywheel housing
3921296 - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
If I ever have another manual in my pickup I will definitely have an unsynchronized transmission after years of driving 18 wheelers and floating gears it drives me crazy to have to clutch every gear heh
Damn! I love this. I have a 1993 K30 with a built Humvee 6.5 going in it. I have a brand new RTO 610 that I've had sitting in my shop for about 20 years. Now I know what I'm going to do with it!!! It was built for me by Six States in Portland, Oregon years ago and I didn't know what I was going to do with it. I have a Cat 1160 that was remaned by Caterpillar and built to 3208 specs. It has about 11,000 miles on it. I was planning on putting them together in a C60 Chev and never had time to wrap it up. If anyone wants a good deal on the Cat remaned 1160 that goes along with a second 1160 for parts, let me know. I need to clean up the shop. Nice work and inspiring as all hell!
Glad it's inspiring.. I have a friend who is putting a 3208 and a 15speed in his 97 K30
@@jagersgarage490 I hope he is beefing up the frame a bit. If it is 4wd, a heavy Dana 80 would be the best thing to use. With only the original6.5, there had been quite a bit of cracking on my frame that I had to repair.
Great job on the transmission conversion and the video was very well done thank you. I'd like one to tow a 5th wheel camper.
Excellent video, thank you so much for sharing! This is exactly what I want to do to my 2nd gen. I appreciate all the info in this video and your 6 speed video.
Thank you. Happy to help.
I'm a retired trucker
My Grandpa had an Eaton 10 speed in his first gen Dodge Cummins
Excellent work👍
I really Like the Transmission whine 👍👍
Great job! I have an old F350 with a 453T DD and a RTO 10spd in it the noise is straight cut gears, Love it!!! really easy conversion.
Thank you. I really want to do something with a 435,6V53 or 8V53.
@Phat what bell housing and flywheel you used for the DD?
I would love to put 10 speed in my 93 f350!! Hopefully I can fine some more info on it
Just look for a #1 or #2 flywheel housing, flywheel and starter for and international DT444E it's the same as the 7.3
Awesomeness
very nice they should come like this
That's awesome!!
Very cool set up wanted todo something like on Ku 2004 Ram
Exelente video amigo desde mexico
Thank you
FINALLY A EATON CUMMINS WALK THROUGH. Im about to do the same thing.
If you check out my video on a fuller 6 speed install most of the hard parts are listed in the description.
I will sat yours a a TON louder than the 10's I've heard. Reason for that?
I was looking at the RTO14908LL. The Last 6 would follow near the NV5600
@@jamesrobinson5801 don't know for sure it's the only baby 10 I have ever been around. It is a 70s model Eaton released the 6610 in the 80s with gears that are cut different suspoably to make it quieter
@@jamesrobinson5801 I have not looked into that trans. When I did mine I was looking for 610, 613, or 6610, 6613 because they are about half the size and weight of mostg the others about 400lbs.
very cool!
Nice swap! Lights blink on your brake controller because the camera actually scans frames, the led’s actually are blinking really fast because the digital controller is actually turning them on and off. Human eyes don’t see that, it’s called persistence of vision. All digital controlled displays typically “scan” as the controller lights that segment or light at a rate faster than you can see so you never notice really.
Awesome thanks for the info.
Amazing seems like this is dodge should have come with you've given me some ideas thank you
Your welcome. I agree it should have been an option from the factory.
That's a really excellent work 👏 great truck I would like have on my Ford excursión cheers from Norway 🇳🇴
Thank you
Why, just to be different?
@@farmyardfab driving a manual transmission not sincronyzed that's for really driver's 👏👌👍👍
Perfect thank you
Hell of a truck bud.
Thank you
Badass!!!
Man that is so bad ass!
Thank you I really like it.
Sweet
Seems like pretty high rpm for direct drive. overall good job. weighing out my options on my 2000 2500 47re 4x4 took a dump who would have thought.
Very cool video and it’s cool you did it but ca can’t think of a time when we would need that many low gears.
Its mostly about having the gears in the top range for driving in the mountains. The low gears are great when grossing 25k and having to start out on a 10% grade.
Absolutely amazing video man can you please see if you can do a long ASMR video of you starting the truck up and driving it and doing some downshifting as well that would be awesome. Stay safe man and have a great one.
By ASMR do you mean no talking just driving?
@@jagersgarage490 yes that’s exactly what I mean
Great now I want to do this instead of a simple ZF6 in my planned Fummins swap project
Doin the 10 speed swap in my truck cause of this video😂
Dam tv ran off and left you while you was shifting all them gears. 😂😂😂😂😂 Cool video though. Oh yeah get out of the fast lane. RV had places to go!
mine is not that noisy the 6610 has more teeth on each gear they are almost as quiet as a helical cut gear. all the fuller transmission are straight cut gears for maximum strength. I was shocked that such a big trans had such a short shifter throw when I first drove mine.
Save some mpg with the taller gears? Mainly asking cause ill be going from a nv4500. Looking for more mpg at freeway speeds coast to coast. Already changed gears from 4.10 to 3.54.
Great job. Where did you get the overdrive kit to change the rt to a rto transmission? I just found a rt6610 and was wanting to change it over to a rto. Thanks for the help
I got it form Six States my local heavy truck shop.
Wanted to do this a while back with my f450. If I were to cut out the floor instead of a body lift how badly would it effect the interior? The truck is a single cab bench seat and adding that big of a tunnel seems like it would cause a lot of issues.
I have not been around an F450 so I can't say for sure. But on another dodge I did a conversion on without a body lift the factory 60/40 split bench fit over the raised tunnel and did not cause any issues the factory carpet with some stretching even fit
I really like what you have done with this. Were are u located what state. Next time i get by it would be a pleasure to meet and shake your hand my father was a machinist and passed it on with the idea all things can be made however you want them and this is just an example of that princapal. What kinds future could we all have without regs and controls. Way to go i like it.
Thank you I am in Alaska.
If any of you were curious as to why the lights were flashing on the Trailer Brake is because the lights were LED and are out of sync with the Shutter speed of the camera (The Electrical Frequency doesn't align with the Shutter speed), and so they flicker instead of being solid.
Awsome man, this is exactly what i needed.. im converting my 2wd cab chassis to 4wd and swapping a 10 speed in place of the 4500hd... is there a 8 speed version one could use? I have never cared for the 10 speeds shift pattern.
Short answer is yes. Longer answer is which one there are many different 8 speeds you will have to do some research and see which gear ratio and case size will work for you.
@@jagersgarage490 you can always 10 speed swap it and and skip 1st and 6th. i drive a roll back and always skip 1st and 6th unless im loaded heavy.
@@KentuckyFriedClassic I have been skip shifting more lately. Before it always had a load behind it but I no longer have my LUV so I have running errands that I cant use the geo for.
Nice setup man. Are you using your clutch on any gears or floating? I wanna do this setup one day.
Floating
How well is the dana 20 transfer case holding up??? I’ve been wanting to do that to my 3rd gen dodge dually for years but i havnt really found a solution for the transfer case.
I miss spoke it's a Dana 24 it's supposed to be strong as a np205 I have not had any issues.
I've always envied guys who could do projects like this one.
Great Video
By doing this how much dose the RPM drop or is there a difference at higher gears. Thanks for sharing
Its about 400 rpm between gears and 2200rpm at 70 with 3.54 axle gears and 33in tires.
Could you effectively run a longer rear gear to move the trans gears up in the driving range?
Basically make the lower gears more usable speed wise and the higher gears more usable for of reasons to drop the high way RPM but still keep the TQ benefit of the 10spd.
You could do that. Where I live 65 is the highest speed limit so I have no need to go over 70. The first gear in the 10 speed is 10:1 or 13:1 the 5 speed is 5ish:1 so you could go higher in the rear for more top speed or to bring rpm down for better mileage.
@@jagersgarage490 that was the plan for wanting to do a swap like this. I'd love a DT466 in the truck so that's gonna be work but I also wanted more gears than my current 5spd, I was going to go with a ZF6 but that's some work as well.... so if I'm doin all that might as well just do a tad more and run a 9 or 10 spd Eaton.
97 OBS F350 is the truck.
@@jameshess9530 3.55 is about all you will find for your axles, trucks dont get taller usually, there were some rarer dodge stuff with a 3.08 ish but they dont swap in a regular housing
Hey man sorry to ask so many questions, but you seem to be the most knowledgeable about this, How much would I have to cut out of the floor to make the 6610 fit without any body lift? I have a Ranch hand style bumper on my truck and I would rather not modify it. I would like to be able to keep the inside as factory looking as possible.
The entire transmission hump would need cut out and re-made. The hight is not the big problem it's the width of the 6610 and clearance for the flywheel housing.
You have to cut the floor out. Not stock at all until you put carpet back in it again to cover it up
How’s the mileage? Have you noticed any major benefits accelerating from a stop and at cruising while towing say a 10k load? How is the u joint life on the rear end? What size bell housing did you use?
Mileage has not changed from befor the swap. It is easier to get the load moving. The biggest benefit is hills/mountains. With the 5 speed if I hadto slow down on or at the base of a grade with a load I may have been stuck in 2 or 3rd because the gear speed was to wide with the 10. Speed I don't have that problem. I have had mine done for about 5 years and have yet to have an issue with the u-joints but I only put about 5-8k miles on it a year. I used an SAE #2 flywheel housing and bell housing.
I took my drivers test on a 10 speed but I've never seen the right most gears in the opposite position like that! Very interesting. I have a 1st gen 92 B350 with the 5.9 v8 gas engine in it and I really hope a 10 speed conversion is feasible because I really love floating gears down the road. I do tow quite a bit and my auto doesn't really like it so hopefully I get the time and resources to give something like this a shot before I have to put another auto in it
The older OD transmissions were like that because they were not originally designed for OD so when made OD the 1:1 stays in the same spot... should be doable on a 5.9 gas just have to find the industrial flywheel housing
@@jagersgarage490 The main issue is that going up hills (i tow with overdrive off) it seems like my rpms are slipping up and my speed is slightly going to sown which makes me worry my torque converter is slipping from the load. from what I know, I have one of the 46 model transmissions and 3rd is supposed to lock but i never really found out for sure.
as for the bell housing, did you have to have yours made or did you just find one that allowed you to put the combination you have together? it seems so unlikely you could find any part to plug and play those two parts.
The flywheel housing is out of a ford f650 that had a 5.9 cummins
Something like this
lewiston.craigslist.org/pts/d/pomeroy-sae-bell-housing-adapter-to-big/7728278069.html
@jagersgarage490 very interesting. It makes me wonder if that would bolt up to my engine because the trucks were designed to take the magnum or the Cummins. It makes me think they are compatible with one anotherz
Great video! I am wanting to do this conversion to my truck. Either 8 or 10 speed Eaton. What adaptor plate did you use? Do you have an email to contact you at?
Just an 5.9 Cummins SAE 2 flywheel housing the part #s for most of the parts I used including the housing are in the description of my 6 speed video. The best contact is jagers garage or team fishballs on Facebook
The part numbers should be in the description of this video now.
Excellent job and video, thank you sir.I have 1999 Ford F450 2wd with 7.3l In it and just wondering if it’s possible put that 10 speed behind.Thanks
I believe so would have to do research and see if there are SAE housings for the 7.3. Or get an adapter/custom bellhousing.
@@jagersgarage490 Thank you sir
@@michaelgoldman4019 you should have no problem getting a bell housing as International used the 7.3 in trucks and school buses the 7.3 in International trucks is known as a T444E which is the same as the 7.3 "Powerstroke" which Powerstroke is a licensed Ford Name. We have one in the yard with a 9spd.
@@Terk131 more info please, been wanting to swap my OBS from my ZF5 to a trans with more gears.... if I'm going through the work for a ZF6 why not a little extra for more gears.
I want to swap a DT466 into it as well which is all in all a chore.
But a 466 in front of a 9spd or 10spd with a tall rear gear to spread the driving range a little taller would be killer.
@@jameshess9530 What do you want info on ? I will help you out anyway I can. Do you want my email address ? People do not realize you can also put an Allison behind all these diesels as well. We did an Allison/Cummins in a 86 ford extended cab from a school bus, p-pumped no less and used a guage cluster from a 90 f700 that had a 5.9 Cummins in it. Couldn't have worked out any better. The 7.3 (t444e) powerstroke we put in an 06 f350 crew cab 4x4 that blew the 6.0 and they guy kept the ZF6 but the 7.3 (t444e) from the oil truck and 9spd was a great combo for the now hauler and I wouldn't change a thing. We have done a Cummins 12V 5.9 and 13spd from a water truck into a 06 gmc that blew a dmax and that was a great setup as you can skip gears but when towing and needed you had the extras ready.. people also never know Australia never got the 6.0, it stayed 7.3 until the 6.7 AND Brazil had a "POWERMAX" which was a 4bt Cummins with a choice of the ZF5 or ZF6 from 99 on and it was a bolt in install to drop a 6bt into its place using literally everything from the 4bt. So many combos you can do and factory options that many did not know about that existed which made builds awesome and crazy...
a question, at what rpm should diesel engines be used? I have heard that it is dangerous for the engine to rev it too much
The answer to that is wide ranging the cummins in my truck stock redline is 2500 but the tdi in my vw has a redline of 4500
hey I have a question, I'm planning ahead of time because I am going to get an old ford pickup to work on as my project vehicle that'll be my dedicated daily driver,
if say I were to get that transmission, get it adapted to a vortec v8 and NP205 transfer case in a modified f150 from 1978 or 1985, would my gas mileage be bad because of the weight of the transmission or because of the engine itself? (like, is the transmission's weight insignificant in a sense?)
I would not say it's insignificant. In my truck the mileage didn't change. But I added 200lbs to a truck that weighs almost 8000lbs.
Does bell housing of Eaton fuller match up to back of Cummins motor, what parts are used for the clutch, I want to put one in my 2005 Dodge
Need a new rear engine housing
Yes with #2 bell housing. Clutch is regular Eaton 14" clutch. But I recomend the dual disk clutch as it wont wear out in a year like stock one will.
Thanks for the video would this work on a 2002 5.9 cummins 2500 2 wheel drive longbed. I just subscribed so I will be perusing your channel. I don't want to butcher the truck but I need to do something.The automatic is crapping out. We tow a 3 horse horsetrailer as a toy hauler. We are heading west next year so the extra gears will be nice.I have never pulled any good long grades in an automatic so I'd be more at home with this setup. Any information would be greatly appreciated.
Yes it can be done on a 2002 being 2wd will make it much easier as you dont have to deal will the transfer case. My experience towing in the mountains with the automatic is pitiful would have to pull them in second or the tranny would overheat (completely stock 47rh)
I’ve got the flywheel and housing.
My 13 speed Eaton has 2” 10 spline input shaft.
I NEED HELP WITH finding clutch????
Here are a few options depending on what type of engagement you want also I'm assuming an SAE #2 and 14in clutch
www.phoenixfriction.com/p-31356-107342-12-new-eaton-fuller-standard-service-14-in-stamped-pull-type-angle-spring-2-plate-860-lbsft-clutch-set-2-in-spline-3-super-button.aspx
www.phoenixfriction.com/p-31385-108034-82b-new-eaton-fuller-14-in-350mm-pull-type-easy-pedal-advantage-2-plate-1150-lbsft-clutch-set-2-in-spline-organic.aspx
@@jagersgarage490
Thank you very much!!!
We’re just sort of inventing this as we go
Your video and part numbers have been helpful.
Thanks again
@@jagersgarage490
Turns out that the flywheel housing that just got delivered off eBay is an SAE#3
So that stinks. Trying to find exact part number 3921296 is not working online.
Any idea if 3931713 is the same or will work?
Thanks
I can't recall it's been years since I did all the research and even then finding the flywheel housing I used and shared I was fairly difficult to find then it's ideal because it places the starter on the divers side. So the wires don't have to be moves and in my case with compound turbos I couldn't use a more common housing with the starter on the passenger side
Doing a bit of research the # you asked about should work it's should be an SAE #2 bellhousing but is says the the starter is an SAE #1 so the starter I listed probably won't work
What did you have to do for input shaft and clutch to flywheel?
I used SAE components so it all just bolts together. If you watch the fuller 6 speed conversion in my other video it goes more in depth.
@@jagersgarage490 wat does it cost 2 do this
It cost me about 6k but I took my time and looked for good deals. I bought the trans for $300.
Drive shafts I had them made locally cast almost $2000 when I did the Eaton 6 speed I ordered them from Tom Woods and both including shipping were about $800
I’m in the middle of doing this right now I’m little confused on the clutch set up did you use a clutch brake and can u use a bigger flywheel that the 14 inch
I did use a clutch break. If I recall correctly 14in is the biggest in an SAE 2 if you use an SAE 1 you can go biggee.
@@jagersgarage490 what size shaft did your trans have mine has the 1 1/2 shaft and I wanted to know if the pilot bearing in your 6 speed video would work for it ?
Mine was 1.75in. I used the same pilot bearing with my 10 speed as with the 6 speed. Will it work for yours? Maybe. There are two different pilot sizes for both the 1.5 and 1.75 inch inputs. If I were you I would measure your input and look up the ID of the bearing to be sure.
@@jagersgarage490 that’s what I’m gonna do I just figured if u had the 1.5 shaft I would just order the same bearing
what kind of mpgs do you get out of it unloaded? Better than a 6 speed?
Mileage is the same as with the 5 speed.
It seems to me that 1st would be great in a traffic jam on the freeway where you could just barely crawl along instead of constantly starting and stopping like you would in a normal manual.
I have used it for that before.
is it possible to do a vacuum operated conversion of the existing hardware on the eaton roadranger?
I'm thinking about adapting a ford 400m to this transmission for my "sleeper" f250 build (designed to tow heavier than usual trailers or pull a bunch of stuck vehicles out of ditches. Semis included.)
Doubtful it takes 50psi acting on the internal piston to shift it.
If you can find a transmission that has an external shift cylinder than you could possibly find a vacum chamber that you can modify to work. You would need a large chamber to have enough force and the shift may be slow.
@@jagersgarage490 gotcha and I'm terribly sorry for not replying sooner, I had a lot notifications in my youtube inbox (from subscriptions and live stream notifications) and I had to go through each one manually.
Hope you're having a wonderful day and thank you for the information. :)
Awesome video! And yes seems like you k ow your business with these transmissions! Which is now gonna lead me to asking questions. I have an international 4600 7.3liter idi and a straight 5 speed spicer transmission , and no 2 speed rear end. Truck is way under powered, has a 14’ dump box on it… motor runs great low miles etc etc. how would I go about mating a 10 speed to this motor? Been looking at a 6.7l Cummins for a swap but don’t know how to mate the transmission, or even know where to get an adapter plate if needed? Can anyone help a fellow out?! Thanks and God Bless
With it being a 4600 it should already have an sae flywheel housing. So you would need to figure out if it's a #1 or #2 get your transmission make sure its bellhousing is whatever SAE you have, get a clutch driveline shortened maybe a different yoke and should pretty much bolt in. For a 6.7 would be about the same just have to fine an SAE flywheel housing
@@jagersgarage490 and how would one go about finding if I have a number 1 or 2. Maybe I’m missing something And thank you for the response!
Just search the web for SAE bellhousing identification. That will get you all the info for dimensions and be better info then me trying to remember off the top of my head
hello friend I hope this well I would like to know if you can help me with a list of all the parts I need to adapt a eaton fuller 10 speed my ram is 3500 2016 2wd can I adapt that transmission
The main parts you will need at listed in the description of my 6 speed swap video. They are the same parts for a 10 speed
I probably go with the MP 205 divorced transfer case when I get around to making mine. I would probably use wheel adapters run 24.5 s and pull a really heavy trailer, would the divorced transfer case hold up to the extra stress?
The way they are abused off road I think it should be fine. Towing is smooth load the off roaders shock load them.. is a shaft breaks you could always do a 32 spline upgrade.
@@jagersgarage490 I'm also thinking about a dt466 and 13 speed in the 1997 ram 4x4
That would be different personally I dont really care for the dt466 in any truck I have driven that came with it. Tho in a pickup may be different.
I am so doing this
@jagers garage is that a 2 gallon air tank and how exactly did you wire it all together looking to do this swap on my 3rd gen
I'm pretty sure it is a 2 gal tank. It's a viair kit wired it by the instructions with the switch being wired to a the fuse block the is hit in run.
@@jagersgarage490 ok thank you I ordered the kit a few weeks ago just waiting on some fitting and gauges and air line now trying to source a good rto6610 now for my 3rd gen might do a video or 2 on it
What is that sound when your shift the gears
Not sure which sound you are talking about. There is the sound of the range switch, the transmission when it is shifting ranges and sometimes you can hear the rail clicking into the detent.
Awesome man but that gear noise will drive me nuts and secondly looks like you can't get at highway speeds like 75 mph because of the gear ratio's in the transmission I wonder how much it would help to put higher gears in the differential like a 3.08 or higher
In alaska the highest speed limit is 65mph at 70mph its about 2100 rpm
Will the 10 speed bolt right up to the 5.9 block or do you need a adapter plate?
You need an 5.9 sae flywheel housing
@@jagersgarage490 what about the flywheel? Pilot bearing?
Part number and links for the main parts are in the video description
@@jagersgarage490 I'd really like to get in touch with you and pick your brain a bit. Do you have a phone number that I can reach you at?
Can start @teamfishballs on Facebook
why does it wine so bad like that? awesome truck man
The RTO610 was designed in the 60s or 70s one of the reasons they came out with the RTO6610 in the 80s was to reduce the wine. This is the only one of those models I have ever been around so I assume that's just how they are as all the internals were in good shape. Thank you I really like the truck.
Hello, I have a curiosity, what difference does it have?
I'm not sure what you are asking. If you read my responses to the other questions maybe it will answer yours.
My nv4500 went out right before Christmas I've seen a few videos of people putting the Eaton fuller in trucks was wanting to try to do it to mine was wondering how much it cost to do that and what all u had to do to get it all set up and going
It cost me about 6k but I took my time and looked for good deals. I bought the trans for $300. If you check out my 6 speed swap it is the same process and there is a list of most the parts I used in the description.
@@jagersgarage490 thanks
Your welcome
@@jagersgarage490 watched the other video that's a lot more work than I figured and I don't think anyone around here would do a good as job as u did in that video guess I'm gonna have to wate till this next trans goes out
Its alot of work and fabrication. Bolting up the transmission is basically the same as a trans swap the mounts is what really takes time and work.
Man that wine would get old quick
It does at times. In direct drive its quiet and that good for about 45-60 in OD 60-75 it has a whine but under load it not as loud. The low range is really loud.
Does the transmission have straight cut gears?
Yes
Very cool video. I’m going a similar route with my ‘87 F-250, using a Ford 256D (tractor motor) for the power plant and a 10 speed roadranger transmission. Quick question, what was all involved with putting in the overdrive gear?
Remove the top of the box and the aux box. Remove input shaft and install 2 new gears. Remove counter shafts remove first 2 gears and put them back on in the the opposite order.. that's for the rt610 and rt6610 may very on different models
Copy, thanks!
Nice job just don't know if I'd like all the whining gear noise lol
It's alot quiter now that I put dyno mat on the tunnel put carpet on it and a foam donut on the shifter under the boot
I have a 2004 dodge ram 2500 quad cab. 5.9 Cummins 48re auto I want to go to the Eaton 10 speed. From the way it was designed it looks like the swap will be simple I'll need to add a clutch and a few things but the trans tunnel on these 3rd gens are huge my only thought is it may not have the room for as high up as the trans needs to set. But we'll address it as I get into it I'm tired of auto trans that don't hold up to the Cummins torque plus I pull a lot of weight why not have a dependable trans to do the job.
The 2001 I put a sae #2 housing in had more room around the flywheel housing. But the 10 speed is very wide so you would need to reshape the transmission tunnel or body lift.
I wondered about that for now I have a reman 48re it's working better than any so far. We'll see. But I was measuring and your right on the 20 it's got more than 38" in three or four spots. So I think cut it and reweld a new plate. So it fits nicely you would defanatly never ever have to put another clutch or trans in. Though on my old 96 KW I did break a direct shaft running over 850 horse and 2900 pounds of torque but was pulling a full load. 😂 All in fun plus the older designed 18 speed. So it was a 6x4 with a 6 behing it essentially give u about 40 gears. As u can split gears with most Eaton's. Depends.
That looks really good and I think the 2004 has much more room between the frame rails and the length would be there I like the unmarried t case as well. And the shear size makes that whole unit much stronger. U won't go fast from shift to shift but you will be able to pull a much bigger load tire weight ratings are all that will stop that at this point and 19.5 s will solve that. Or 22. Inch. I may just get another 2004 to 08 to do this I have moded a f10p a jeep wrangler and several others there nothing that cannot be done. And the cost of doing it is all that dictates the build. A semi tractor is a good base but they cost a lot of money to get something that has not got a million miles on it. We'll see how it all goes.
Will the 06 tranfer case work with the 10spd setup?
I'm guessing that you mean an 06 dodge. If so the factory transfer case could be made to work if you have adapters made to use it in a married setup like it was designed for the cheapest way is to get a divorced transfer case
@@jagersgarage490 I assume with divorced case would it need to be run inline with slip yoke. In between trans and case? Thanks for reply.
Yes
Really can’t decide if I should go this route for my tow pig, or a 6 speed Allison…. Won’t be pulling super heavy 14k around 800ftlbs
If you are in a high traffic area with no mountains/steep grades I'd go allison (a real one not the chevy one) if you have lots of mountains/steep grades definitely g ok manual
@@jagersgarage490 live in middle tn, so monteagle is about the roughest grade nearby, but planning on hauling a camper/buggy all around the country. Been thinking about the 6 alli from a duramax…. which Allison would you suggest? Gotta have OD
For most places especially passing through towns the allison will be nicer to live with but I have knee problems so if I have to clutch alot my knee will hurt. But for crossing the Rockies I would want a manual. I have never seen an alison that pulls aswell.... think of a school bus most of them are 5.9 Cummins with an alison
I was wanting to do this to my 1993 Cummins but i was told it was pointless because I wouldn’t be able to get over 70. is that true?
Depending on tire size and rear end ratio yes. Only a .8 OD on these trans. So you gotta have like 3.54 gears and/or bigger tires to make up your top speed loss
does it have a splitter rear end
No
What rpm are you running at 60 mph in 10 gear?
About 1800
Awesome cool as hell but fuck all that I'm happy with my 6 speed
Is it a super 10 or just a regular 10 speed
Not a super 10 it's a rto610
What's your axle ratio?
3.54
Question for you can you add overdrive to a RT6610 to make it a RTO
Yes you can. When I did mine the parts were about $300 including a new input shaft. You don't have to get a new input shaft I did because I wanted the larger diameter one so I would have more clutch options.
@@jagersgarage490 how hard is it and do you have to take it all the way apart? Or is it the big back section so this would take a direct drive to a overdrive right
@@jagersgarage490 the only reason I'm asking is I can get a RT6610 for a deal and will be doing the same thing you did I just need od for the highway
Its easy pull the top cover the input shaft and swap some gears. It will make a direct into an over... with the conversion 9th/4th and 10th/5th will swap places in the shift pattern
You have to take the aux box off ass well but don't have to disassemble it. That why I did mine could only find RTs.. if you search online you can find the overhaul manual and parts breakdown for free. Walks you through the job and the is a kit number that has everything you need.
Can you send me a video of what all you had to do to get it amount to the twenty four vale Thank you very much
th-cam.com/video/peJgDuYfSX4/w-d-xo.html
Do you like it?
Love it
So…. What about a 13 speed or even a 18 speed on a 3rd, 4th, and 5th gen 6.7 Cummins common rail? I am in the process of doing a 1000hp build and I want all of the speed I can get. id like to go 140-160mph under 4,000rpms with minimum body lift and suspension lift needed. I have watched all of your videos and have read all of the comments. I am so…….. freaking happy that I can at least have a 10 speed with 4x4! Gosh I can’t tell you how much that makes me happy. I really don’t want noisy gears. I’d like for the transmission and transfer case to be as quite as possible. I’m planning on getting a 5th gen rolling chassis with title. So I can haul its max towing capacity. And I plan on putting on a 4th gen body with 3rd gen front fenders, and hood. I’m a 3rd gen guy. Nothing to crazy just a simple 6 door mega cab long bed dually with military 2 ton axles with normal disc brakes and lockers with DOT military bead lock wheels and H1 hummer style automatic air system for the wheels.
those transmissions are massive, not like the baby in this video. there is a n rto613 but the aux section looks really big so I doubt you could fit it. this video shows a 600ftlb transmission the big ones you are refering to are 1200- 2150 ftlb rated transmissions.
whys it whine line that when driving?
It's a transmission that was designed in the 60s with large tooth strait cut gears.
@@jagersgarage490 very interesting love the setup looking to do something of that sort myself
How's the fuel mileage loaded and unloaded
That's wide ranging unloaded hyw miles 25mpg.. gvw around 20k in the mountains I think 8 was the worst
What happens if you take off in 5th
You have to slip the clutch more
Excuse me what type or serial number Transfer case You got IL be thanfull if You ansher My cuestión god bless You besides i like Your videos
With my 10speed I have a Dana 21 the 6 speed I did is an NP205 and a friend of mine who is doing a 15 speed is using an NP205. If cost was not a consideration I would use an Atlas II
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Why an 10 spd an 8ll has much more usable range with greater pulling power.if not equal depending on your set up
I used the 10 speed RTO610 because it was what I could find in my area for a good deal that was one of the baby boxes. There are 10,13 and 8ll in the smaller boxes.
Can you not skip gears like a semi I never hit all gears like 2nd 3rd 4th 6th so on
You can skip gears I went through all for the video incase anyone wanted to count and claim it was just a 6 speed if I skipped everytime. I do skip at one point in the video but I dont do it often because its normally loaded pretty heavy so they are not very smooth.
How much would it cost to do that??
It cost me about 6k but I took my time and looked for good deals. I bought the trans for $300.
Wow good job, Very nicely done!! I’ve Been wanting to do this for the last 10 years. Yeah makes more driving video that in sound awesome when shifting
@@jagersgarage490 thanks
On skip shifts slow down the shift. Give the rpm's time to drop. drop 300 to 400 for the gear you are going into and 300 to 400 for the gear you are skipping. So 600 to 800 rpm drop total when skipping a gear.
I understand that I'm just used to the rhythm of not skip shifting as it only really gets driven when hauling a load. Just thought as I was sitting at the light that I would throw it in the video.
@@jagersgarage490 I was here a year ago, and now TH-cam has brought me back to your video. Lol
Have you noticed it being substantially better for towing? Any better milage? And what are your rpm at 70?
Much better towing always have the right gear and on hills with a hairpin turn at the bottom I can actually up shift where with the 5 speed I would be stuck in 2nd or 3rd. No change in mileage. With 33in tires and 3.54 gears at 70 it's about 2100 rpm.
What RPM are you running at 70
2100
So the 10 speed has overdrive? I'm just worried if I do this conversion I will run out of range in my RPM's before I get to highway speed.
Some have overdrive my overdrive is. .80
@@jagersgarage490 well thank you for the videos I love the info to bad you are all the way up north we need a guy that knows this stuff in the states
Screw all that shifting.
What size tires and what is your rpms at 65mph?
245/70R19.5 they are about a 33 about 2100 rpm
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Are those... ford wheels?
They are from Richmond wheel of I remember correctly. They are 19.5 in wheels with the standard 8 lug pattern.
Might as well put the truck on air breaks and slap an 8.3l in it.
The truck I'm planning on building is a Kodiak with a L10 a and 18 speed with air brakes
all you need now is Jakes
I'd love to have Jake's I could do an exhaust brake but then I need to change my valve springs and I don't think there is room with the compound turbos
I here'd a noise that sounded like a tractor.
As in a tractor trailer?
Lot of weight for a pickup truck lol
The RTO610 only weighs 50lb more the the 6 speed dodge used.
That wine is unbearable for me. I'd plan on having a 2 speed diff instead of a 10 speed in my 1st gen when i get it. Its cool though
A newer version of the transmission would not wine as much... if I had know how bad I would have gone with a 6610 or something else.
@@jagersgarage490 That because of the straight cut gears i believe
The 6610 also has straight cut gears but the teeth are smaller/more on each gear and it is supposed to be alot quieter.
Two speed rear end has low and super low that would be pointless you would never want that on the highway