Pretty crazy that tuning for these cars was unlocked just 5 months ago. We’re still in the early days and already knocking on 500hp with stock turbo, internals, heads, and fuel system. Once the STI trans swap is normalized and we get into built motor, big turbo, full e85 builds, this generation is going to be the bananas. I’ve heard some of the big names in Evo X tuning have picked up VB development cars now, so the future is looking bright!
@@wyattllc they share the same general design (displacement, bore and stroke) but otherwise they don’t share any components. They have different pistons, rods, crank, heads, fueling system, intake manifold, etc. The FA24D in the GR86/BRZ2 has a 12.5:1 compression ratio and smaller injectors in the DI side so it’s definitely not set up to handle high boost at all from the factory. Right now HKS offers a small supercharger kit that brings it up to 292hp at the crank, so like 40 additional horsepower at the wheels. That’s a pretty small bump for the $5000 that kit costs. Seems like pistons, rods, and fuel system upgrades are definitely going to be necessary to get up above 300-350whp.
I'm stoked to have such a capable wrx out of the box! I'm gonna have to wait a bit for that warranty to run out though. I've never had a brand new car so I'm trying to make the most of it.
I would probably do the same if I was you. Considering a WRX too but yeah, give it time. New platform, still plenty of research to be done, by the time your warranty is done, people will have done all the dirty work and you can know the best path to take if you decide to modify it
Magnasun moss act protects you from the manufacturer voiding your warranty just because you install aftermarket parts in the US. Look it up. Burden of proof is on the manufacturer to prove the parts caused a failure.
I both a 22 WRX and still own previous gen STI, hoping from one to another I can say a lot of people talking about power gains but something that the STI is VERY far ahead is it comes with LSD front and LSD rear, whereas the WRX comes with no LSD at all. All that is very noticeable in the corners, that's why the STI is my track car. But what I will say is the WRX is MUCH more comfortable and quiet and that's why it's my daily.
Thanks for this ... well laid out. IMO on a starter budget get a CAI first and tune for it. I went with Anthony (Dmann) for his OTS and then finally went the E-tune (protune) map from him ... wow he had me run a few data logs and 3 tunes and then he nails it. Having a great tuner is worth more than any part that might require one.
@@raymullen8427 funny story about this, I actually found this out a few days ago. That FA24 engine was sold to them by my local Subaru shop, Ecotech. They were actually going to build a car but we're busy with Subarus rally cars and ended up selling it to Prime after they practically begged for it. I can't believe at one point I lived in the same state as the first FA24dit and didn't know it 😭
Someone skipped math class. Said can get 290 with just 93 and a cobb tune, then said 40hp with an intake. So 330ish but then said only 340 when you have a professional tune, exhaust and an air intake.... bro no way a professional tune and exhaust is only adding 10hp if the intake added 40...
I have a pro-tuned FA24 Subaru Ascent by Jr. Been on the dyno several times. I’d have to say I added the EGR delete kit from IBR way back with my beginning mods in order to help save the engine! I’d suggest it to everyone as well with your upgrade process. So far I can’t ever get enough of driving this beast… Let’s just say she can get down!!!!
This is a great engine the only issues is Subaru put that crappy split case 5 speed WRX transmission they added a gear to and called it a 6 speed if I was you I would have told everyone at the 400-450 WHP TRQ you may want to think of doing the STI drivetrain swap Becuase I don’t care how strong of a aftermarket clutch you have the split case transmission is going to blow I have a VA wrx making over 400whp and doing the STI drivetrain swap was the best mod I ever did anyway love these FA24s just wish subaru would have given us the STI drivetrain on these cars
I cant echo this enough. Not only is the sti 6 speed infinitely more robust, it also feels significantly better even stock, than a wrx split case with bushings mounts etc. Best thing you can do for a VA, and likewise a VB imo.
@@mattwilliamsonguitarI had the Perrin on my VA wrx. “No tune needed” they said.. car went into limp mode the 1st time I gunned it. Long story short, I now have a VB with a stock intake..
@@nikkoteen1314 Never do any mods on a Subaru that affect air or fuel without doing a dyno tune. Crazy if they claim that on their site.. they should know better than that. It's common knowledge Subaru's are _very_ fragile when doing mods without a tune. They may even be able to be sued from such a claim, if someone blows their engine from it, which is very possible. Intakes are worthless without an aftermarket turbo, anyway. They make cool sounds but that's it, the factory intake is more than enough on the stock turbo. Aftermarket turbos are a different story. That being said, if you have a tuner in your area with a dyno, definitely get a downpipe and dyno tune. It's worth every penny, it's so much more fun to drive afterwards. EDIT: I see why they say it's safe, now. It's the same diameter as the factory tube. That being the case, even with a tune it probably wouldn't help performance, at all.. that's just a noise maker.
Great watch! I just got a 24. I want to do a cat back, however, I want my car to still be reliable with some more sound and 300-325 hp. What would you recommend?
Leasing a 2023 for now. Will see what's out when the lease is up but I think I'll probably buy it out at the end. Definitely doing catback, short shifter, and wheels for now, but first thing if I end up buying it out are the breaks and sway bars. Seems like the FA24 sits lower in the bay than the EJ257 so 300~350 HP should be plenty. Thanks for the video!
Any ideas of what kinda power I can expect I really wanna get it Dino ran but don’t have one near me anywhere close sadly prolly a good 4-5 hour ride to get that done and need to schedule it well in advance car should be running real soon iv got a 2017 wrx fa20 iv got it’s built all forged internals heads upgraded from aluminum to steel valves all new timing and oil pump ACL high performance bearings are installed -oil journals have been opened up for the main bearings to improve oil flow 725 series twin disc clutch and kit with upgraded steel clutch line forced performance blue ball bearing 🙃 turbo external waste gated and grim speed intake with the box grim speed cat back exhaust - tomei exaust manifold working on getting the billet aluminum process west intake racing manifold really soon and working on getting the front mounted intercoooer in the future iv already got the 450lph fuel pump with hanger and kit iv also got the nords storm stage 1 hpfp with injectors kit on order waiting on them hopefully by the end of the month waiting for them to be released. Looking to see what kinda power to expect . I havnt got the catch can kit yet I’m also doing the tgvs in the future prolly add them the same time I do the intake . Working on a 500 whp wrx as my daily 🙃
I keep hearing talk about e85 on these cars, but nobody raising the question as to whether the stock fuel system is e85 compatible. Is there any reason to believe the stock fuel systems are e85 compatible? I cant imagine it is. Seems pretty risky to simply dump a bunch of e85 in a car without knowing whether the fuel pump, lines, injectors are going to fail creating a ticking time bomb.
You say 40 to 50hp, but in a later video you test on 91 with perrin intake and cobb stage 1 and gain arround 11 hp, what im i missing here? Thanks great videos
Great Video - I'll be picking up an AP in the next couple weeks. Now - show us how to stop with all this new HP.... is there a Brembo kit or something comparable out there? What upgraded brake lines fit?
@@ericlinn8647 not really. I’m just talking about this FA24 specifically. I know some other stock motors that can handle 400whp-550whp all day. And then I know some that can’t even reach 400whp without bending a rod or something.
😮470 awhp on mustang dyno? That’s insane, I know every single dyno have unique calibration and can’t be compared, but I think that translates to about 650 crank HP🤯
@@MeltingRubberZ28 20% is a very rough estimate, my local shop has a mustang dyno and it’s very conservative, it reads just bit over 400hp on stock Nissan GTR and 470 on stock c7 z06,if a WRX makes 470 whp on that dyno that’s very very impressive
I know this video is about building horsepower... but what grill is on that car?? It looks way better than stock. Just tell me it adds 1 horsepower and I'm sold
So, new to Subie, with this motor if I just purchase a Cobb AP and do a 93 tune I will be around 300hp? What is the risks here? Shouldn’t the car be fine at just a tune?
I bought my 2022 wrx not too long ago and I want to mod it. I am hesitant to though. This is the first time I have owned a wrx and the main issue I have with it is reliability of the mods as anything will void my warranty. Anyone have some words to ease my mind about it?
I'm waiting until the warranty is up and I'm not planning to go beyond 300hp. Go talk to your dealer and ask them how many short blocks they are changing out on modified WRXs.
Thanks for this awesome video! If I get protuned for E85 will I be able to use 93 octane in a pinch if I'm driving the car cross country or something and don't know where my trusty fillup spots are? Is the sacrifice only for performance/efficiency? Or would it be totally unsafe for the car to go back to 93? Or would it not work at all?
If you have a tune for ethanol only (non flex) then you absolutely NEED to use that exact blend. Whether it be e30. E60 e85 etc. If you have a flex tune it doesn't matter. Just like if you have a 93 tune, you gotta use 93 gasoline. 93 gasoline has about 10% ethanol in it as is and those values could be a bit higher but not a lot. Ethanol requires more fuel to be dumped into the engine so if you did straight 93 on a specific e85 tune you would be silly rich and knock like hell from the much lower octane. Ethanol also has a cooling effect that your tuner would of taken advantage of in the tune. Take that out of the equation also and your engine is in very risky territory. Subaru engines are very picky about the modifications and tunes they get. Do a ton of research prior to modify your wrx please. This is why the platform gets such a bad rep. Im not saying you're the cause just saying don't be a statistic 🙌
That's so strange I just bought a new 2024 wrx and it claims on Subaru that it makes 271 HP I wonder if it changed that much or if Its a lie on the website 😔
Ok so first of all tuning doesn’t blow your motor It helps significantly improve the engines reliability If you add the correct mods Don’t add big turbos but not upgrade your boost controller, or add a down pipe and header but not add an air oil separator. Don’t be obsessed with a power number. Definitely add an oil cooler definitely add an upgraded oil pump , oil pan and oil pick up Increase your oil capacity and keep it cool 😎 I have a 16 wrx I bought with 5 miles on it. Had it tuned to a stage 2 setup with 5k miles I now have e85 sensor and tuned making 387 whp on a stock block with 149,000 miles and my car is still absolutely fun to drive. When modding your car the rules for dealer recommendations for maintenance go out the window because you increase the load and friction on mechanical parts. So instead of oil changes every 3k Do it every 2k
Bought myself an ETS j-pipe but most turne shop tells me to skip it because of coding issues, check engine light etc. Is there any way around it? Or am I stuck with this?
So basically just buy a tuner load a canned 91/93 tune and enjoy the roughly 300 whp reliable wrx is what im hearing. Already have a blown mustang just looking for a little more pep on the daily
I just bought a 2024 WRX with a CVT because I didn’t want a car my wife couldn’t drive. Are there any mods I could do to increase the horsepower without risking damage to the transmission?
I don’t know shit about cars but just got my 24 wrx…. I was looking into the Mishimoto website and they have a package that has an intake and front mount intercooler…. Again I don’t know anything but I’m planning to add it to my fully stock vb can I do this? And I have no clue what a tune is. Can you guys help a brother out 😅
Does anyone have experience with the impact of performance mods like that and car insurance? I heard some insurers won't cover vehicles with performance mods. Is the best strategy here to keep it under wraps and play dumb?
Previous gens seem rather weak and with that, I am curious what the max sustainable and reliable power these engines can hold for a long period of time.
Okay, I HATED the look of this car when it came out but seeing it's matured and can look halfway decent, I'm seriously considering getting a 2023 or 2024 VB with the solid engine. I just won't look at the back as much until I add some body kit 😂 But it's crazy how much power can be added safely without spending thousands like the older generations. And my POS 2013 that blew the engine twice.
Decent numbers for bolt-ons. To be honest, I was impatient with Subaru making something that would not blow up after 400hp coming from the hawkeye. I am so glad I switched over to the Evo platform a long time ago. Seems like there will be room for more development for these cars. Honestly, the same old dance for most of these 4 cylinders. Sleeved built block, set of cams, big fuel pump, ID2000's, big-ish turbo, 50/60 psi boost, and it will be running 8's in no time..hahaha
I’m just curious to see how long they’ll last making that much power. I mean I love a fast car but if it only lasts a couple years I’ll just build a LS lol.
Does anyone know if you would need a tune for reliability if I were to install the ETS TMIC, or would it be safe to keep it on the stock tune? I understand you would get more performance benefits from a tune, just wondering if I can hold off on the tune will I'm waiting to get other internals before tuning the parts all together.
So im thinking of leasing a wrx because i Know that if i buy it ill want to modify it and waste my money on excessive mods i dont need. Is it ok (warranty wise) to lease and just have a tune on it? I Know @heavymetalwrx Said in one of his videos the jb4 was ok on the warranty but is it still ok while leasing?
My man, I'm in the same position and just leased a new 2023 wrx premium a few days ago. They told me not to mess with the ECU and just have a couple of bolt ons would be okay. So I decided the Perrin CAI and AeroFlow Catback exhaust. Also, down the line, you can obviously decide if you would like to stay with the car or not but I probably will lol The car is fun to drive and, more importantly, wanted something reliable and doesn't void the lease warranty agreement.
@@ColFighter018 Nice ! Good for you ! The dealer told you not to mess with the ECU or someone else ? So your gonna buy it after the lease term, then i guess there’s no further issue to have. Just wondering with your add ons such as air intake , don’t you need a tune after that ? I mean since you say they don’t want you to touch the ecu if you ever get a problem from having intake and such without tune will they be more inclined to keep the warranty because you didn’t tune or the opposite since you didn’t tune after add ons . Haha so many questions in this regard anyway hope it stays reliable and enjoyable !!! I’ve delayed my purchase to next summer to see how my mortgage is impacted by interests rate but here car prices and interest are going nuts so not sure it was that good of an idea to wait haha
@kevinsavard2681 Someone in the dealership told me what I can't and can do more or less, but messing with the ECU would definitely void your warranty. I'm not sure yet if I'll buy it, but we'll see once the three years are up. I keep hearing from both sides with the Perrin CAI with tuning it or not, but I haven't because of keeping the warranty agreement. Tbh, life is short, so if you feel you can manage, then go for it! Take it easy bro
@@colew2178 it all depends on your build and future plans. If you know you'll be going past bolt ons later it's ok to spend the money on a FMIC now. If you're just doing some mild tuning with 1-2 extra options (Intake or jpipe) then a TMIC will be sufficient. Both are great options and a FMIC really gives your car that tuner look.
Great video, thanks for the channel shout out on my Perrin Charge pipe video It was cool seeing my video footage on SubiSpeed. The power numbers with the VB WRX are unreal in my opinion. I have a Perrin FMIC coming this week and an ETS j pipe. Going with a Drunkman Tuning E30 tune. Hoping for 400 WHP / 400 tq on my car.
The only difference that I'm certain of is the transmission. You should be able to use all the same mods for the "Subaru Performance Transmission" aka CVT. I'd be more worried and interested in seeing how much power the thing holds. I can see a future of the CVT holding really high power numbers only if built correctly. We used to say that automatics couldn't hold the power and now look at some of the fastest cars on the track. Anyways, you shouldn't have any issue in modifying with these parts, should be all the same.
I would be leery of doing power mods with the CVT. Maybe wait until there is more data on this. I wouldn't go beyond 300hp. If I had the CVT I would keep it stock.
Question. I have a VB with Perrin Intake, AWE catback, COBB OTS tune. I’m waiting for my charge pipe to come in, would it beneficial at this point to need the charge pipe or wait for a pro-tune ?
Pretty crazy that tuning for these cars was unlocked just 5 months ago. We’re still in the early days and already knocking on 500hp with stock turbo, internals, heads, and fuel system. Once the STI trans swap is normalized and we get into built motor, big turbo, full e85 builds, this generation is going to be the bananas. I’ve heard some of the big names in Evo X tuning have picked up VB development cars now, so the future is looking bright!
“knocking” is the key word here.
like knocking? or like actually knocking? 😂
isnt this the same boxer engine they put in the brz/gr86? if so, im curious to see how theyll fair under heavy boost lol
@@wyattllc they share the same general design (displacement, bore and stroke) but otherwise they don’t share any components. They have different pistons, rods, crank, heads, fueling system, intake manifold, etc. The FA24D in the GR86/BRZ2 has a 12.5:1 compression ratio and smaller injectors in the DI side so it’s definitely not set up to handle high boost at all from the factory. Right now HKS offers a small supercharger kit that brings it up to 292hp at the crank, so like 40 additional horsepower at the wheels. That’s a pretty small bump for the $5000 that kit costs. Seems like pistons, rods, and fuel system upgrades are definitely going to be necessary to get up above 300-350whp.
IAG is only working on the stage motor
I'm stoked to have such a capable wrx out of the box! I'm gonna have to wait a bit for that warranty to run out though. I've never had a brand new car so I'm trying to make the most of it.
Enjoy every phase of ownership, that’s what it’s all about!
I'm in the same boat! I love mine, first new car, but watching that warranty tick down for some mods
I would probably do the same if I was you. Considering a WRX too but yeah, give it time. New platform, still plenty of research to be done, by the time your warranty is done, people will have done all the dirty work and you can know the best path to take if you decide to modify it
I have a lifetime powertrain warranty... eventually ill have to make a decision... and ill prolly buy another wrx lol 😂🤣
Magnasun moss act protects you from the manufacturer voiding your warranty just because you install aftermarket parts in the US. Look it up. Burden of proof is on the manufacturer to prove the parts caused a failure.
Haha thanks for showing my clip! I really need to remake that video and do more stock vs stock STi testing. 🤘
Thanks for filming those clips! Really cool to see how the different platforms stack up against each other!
@@SubiSpeed hell yeah! My channel is all about research and science 👨🔬🔬 🤣
Good to see your video on Subimids @HeavyMetalWRX
@@talesofchippy thanks man! Was a bit of a surprise..but also I know there is VERY little stock 22 WRX vs stock STi content
I both a 22 WRX and still own previous gen STI, hoping from one to another I can say a lot of people talking about power gains but something that the STI is VERY far ahead is it comes with LSD front and LSD rear, whereas the WRX comes with no LSD at all. All that is very noticeable in the corners, that's why the STI is my track car. But what I will say is the WRX is MUCH more comfortable and quiet and that's why it's my daily.
Thanks for this ... well laid out. IMO on a starter budget get a CAI first and tune for it. I went with Anthony (Dmann) for his OTS and then finally went the E-tune (protune) map from him ... wow he had me run a few data logs and 3 tunes and then he nails it. Having a great tuner is worth more than any part that might require one.
I’m about to do exactly that. I’m jumping from a 93 ots from dman to an e85 protune. What kind of power bump did you see?
Good stuff! Better brakes needed especially with power gains.
To my knowledge the highest Horsepower amount of an fa24 was prime motorings fa24 swapped crosstrek which was at over 500.
That would be an amazing sleeper! No one would see that coming. Haha
@@raymullen8427 funny story about this, I actually found this out a few days ago. That FA24 engine was sold to them by my local Subaru shop, Ecotech. They were actually going to build a car but we're busy with Subarus rally cars and ended up selling it to Prime after they practically begged for it. I can't believe at one point I lived in the same state as the first FA24dit and didn't know it 😭
Someone skipped math class. Said can get 290 with just 93 and a cobb tune, then said 40hp with an intake. So 330ish but then said only 340 when you have a professional tune, exhaust and an air intake.... bro no way a professional tune and exhaust is only adding 10hp if the intake added 40...
I have a pro-tuned FA24 Subaru Ascent by Jr. Been on the dyno several times. I’d have to say I added the EGR delete kit from IBR way back with my beginning mods in order to help save the engine! I’d suggest it to everyone as well with your upgrade process. So far I can’t ever get enough of driving this beast… Let’s just say she can get down!!!!
where is this egr delete kit?
@@Rabbit14 I just modified the one for the wrx from iBuildRacecars
How’s the cvt holding up? We have a wilderness that I’ve been wanting to up just a bit.
@@xfozzypx115 everything is A ok so far
Jr is a great 4cyl turbo tuner. Tuner my Mitsubishi Ralliart to 452 whp. Thing was a beast.
This is a great engine the only issues is Subaru put that crappy split case 5 speed WRX transmission they added a gear to and called it a 6 speed if I was you I would have told everyone at the 400-450 WHP TRQ you may want to think of doing the STI drivetrain swap Becuase I don’t care how strong of a aftermarket clutch you have the split case transmission is going to blow I have a VA wrx making over 400whp and doing the STI drivetrain swap was the best mod I ever did anyway love these FA24s just wish subaru would have given us the STI drivetrain on these cars
I cant echo this enough. Not only is the sti 6 speed infinitely more robust, it also feels significantly better even stock, than a wrx split case with bushings mounts etc. Best thing you can do for a VA, and likewise a VB imo.
I have a 2023. It’s great stock. 300 HP is all that I would want. 😊
All I want is a Perrin intake to give the whooshy sounds. 😅🤣
That's all i want to if he's talking about to the wheel
@@mattwilliamsonguitarI had the Perrin on my VA wrx. “No tune needed” they said.. car went into limp mode the 1st time I gunned it. Long story short, I now have a VB with a stock intake..
You say that now..
@@nikkoteen1314 Never do any mods on a Subaru that affect air or fuel without doing a dyno tune. Crazy if they claim that on their site.. they should know better than that. It's common knowledge Subaru's are _very_ fragile when doing mods without a tune. They may even be able to be sued from such a claim, if someone blows their engine from it, which is very possible. Intakes are worthless without an aftermarket turbo, anyway. They make cool sounds but that's it, the factory intake is more than enough on the stock turbo. Aftermarket turbos are a different story. That being said, if you have a tuner in your area with a dyno, definitely get a downpipe and dyno tune. It's worth every penny, it's so much more fun to drive afterwards. EDIT: I see why they say it's safe, now. It's the same diameter as the factory tube. That being the case, even with a tune it probably wouldn't help performance, at all.. that's just a noise maker.
Hey we’re in the 450-460 range and 530+ wtq! Lol
Don’t short me
Great video btw guys! Keep them coming
Even better! Must have seen some older posts. Keep up the great work!
is that on pure e85?
keep pushing till you blow the motor and trans. take 1 for the team, we need the data!
@@LAdumpsterbabye60ish still working on full 85
The new dubber X is definitely underrated.
Great watch! I just got a 24. I want to do a cat back, however, I want my car to still be reliable with some more sound and 300-325 hp. What would you recommend?
Great video! I’m super happy with my VB
this new gen is looking sick, but i'll stick with my ej207 for now. Down the road these builds are going to be nuts
The potential of the fa24 makes me so sad that were not getting a sti. Still waiting to see someone do a fan made conversion
All it needs is the STI's 6 speed trans and it basically _is_ an STI.
Can’t believe you left STI Mikey out 😱
after market turbo no extra fueling theres a few fa24s making over 500 now, but they all got the STI trans now
Leasing a 2023 for now. Will see what's out when the lease is up but I think I'll probably buy it out at the end. Definitely doing catback, short shifter, and wheels for now, but first thing if I end up buying it out are the breaks and sway bars. Seems like the FA24 sits lower in the bay than the EJ257 so 300~350 HP should be plenty. Thanks for the video!
Doing the same here. Just picked up mine on Friday and plan to buyout at the end.
That’s what I said, then I leased another rex cause my miles were low and had zero down payment. Then I did it again 3 years later, lol.
MAP catback is amazing too
Any ideas of what kinda power I can expect I really wanna get it Dino ran but don’t have one near me anywhere close sadly prolly a good 4-5 hour ride to get that done and need to schedule it well in advance car should be running real soon iv got a 2017 wrx fa20 iv got it’s built all forged internals heads upgraded from aluminum to steel valves all new timing and oil pump ACL high performance bearings are installed -oil journals have been opened up for the main bearings to improve oil flow 725 series twin disc clutch and kit with upgraded steel clutch line forced performance blue ball bearing 🙃 turbo external waste gated and grim speed intake with the box grim speed cat back exhaust - tomei exaust manifold working on getting the billet aluminum process west intake racing manifold really soon and working on getting the front mounted intercoooer in the future iv already got the 450lph fuel pump with hanger and kit iv also got the nords storm stage 1 hpfp with injectors kit on order waiting on them hopefully by the end of the month waiting for them to be released. Looking to see what kinda power to expect . I havnt got the catch can kit yet I’m also doing the tgvs in the future prolly add them the same time I do the intake . Working on a 500 whp wrx as my daily 🙃
i wish i could do these tune mods but in Australia it voids your insurance and there is some many other mods that will void your insurance
Much needed content
I keep hearing talk about e85 on these cars, but nobody raising the question as to whether the stock fuel system is e85 compatible. Is there any reason to believe the stock fuel systems are e85 compatible? I cant imagine it is. Seems pretty risky to simply dump a bunch of e85 in a car without knowing whether the fuel pump, lines, injectors are going to fail creating a ticking time bomb.
300 is more then enough for me. but dope video
Haha... I thought the same when I bought my 2018 wrx im currently sitting at 400+whp drunkmann e60 flex tuned. 😅
@@Shotty2daFACE Lmfaooo.
You say 40 to 50hp, but in a later video you test on 91 with perrin intake and cobb stage 1 and gain arround 11 hp, what im i missing here? Thanks great videos
I think I would be content at 350. 400+ when I decide to build the internals.
i cannot wait to get one of these
I almost want to go with an aftermarket J pipe before the catback. Seems like more bang for the buck though there is the issue of engine lights.
Prime Is one of the best, they have me sitting at 442 with just e50 intake and downpipe exhaust
hows the car now?
Prime Motoring has been putting out some crazy numbers with the FA20 and FA24 for quite a whole now. As far as what they show it's well past 500hp
3:35 how do u make it have that sexy turbo noise?
Great Video - I'll be picking up an AP in the next couple weeks.
Now - show us how to stop with all this new HP.... is there a Brembo kit or something comparable out there? What upgraded brake lines fit?
The real question is how well can that motor hold at 400whp+ ? I feel like it’s not a matter of if it’s gonna happen, but when it’s gonna happen.
Isn't that really the outcome with any car..not if, but when
@@ericlinn8647 not really. I’m just talking about this FA24 specifically. I know some other stock motors that can handle 400whp-550whp all day. And then I know some that can’t even reach 400whp without bending a rod or something.
as an employee at subaru i can tell
you that these motors are most likely one of the most durable ones they ever built
😮470 awhp on mustang dyno? That’s insane, I know every single dyno have unique calibration and can’t be compared, but I think that translates to about 650 crank HP🤯
20% drivetrain loss would be 587
@@MeltingRubberZ28 20% is a very rough estimate, my local shop has a mustang dyno and it’s very conservative, it reads just bit over 400hp on stock Nissan GTR and 470 on stock c7 z06,if a WRX makes 470 whp on that dyno that’s very very impressive
Funny, the factory FA24 Turbo is incapable of flowing enough air to make that kind of power, even on ethanol. Must be an aftermarket turbo.
I know this video is about building horsepower... but what grill is on that car?? It looks way better than stock. Just tell me it adds 1 horsepower and I'm sold
I saw the one in PR, ran 10.7 1/4 mile with intake, exhaust n 75 shot of nitrous.
Hey are y’all going to Rocky Mountain Race Week? I am looking to pal up with some fellow Subaru guys.
So, new to Subie, with this motor if I just purchase a Cobb AP and do a 93 tune I will be around 300hp? What is the risks here? Shouldn’t the car be fine at just a tune?
Checking in after a year-- did you do this? What was your experience?
I believe Mick Botti's VB is pushing 645hp on stock motor!
Very impressive for stock internals man
I bought my 2022 wrx not too long ago and I want to mod it. I am hesitant to though. This is the first time I have owned a wrx and the main issue I have with it is reliability of the mods as anything will void my warranty. Anyone have some words to ease my mind about it?
I'm waiting until the warranty is up and I'm not planning to go beyond 300hp. Go talk to your dealer and ask them how many short blocks they are changing out on modified WRXs.
I have been making 415whp on E50 for about a year. Turbo is all out of steam but trying a new catback to see if we can’t make 430+whp
Is that on stock transmission?
@@thumper3904 Not anymore, lol. Trans let go. STI swapping the trans now.
Thanks for this awesome video! If I get protuned for E85 will I be able to use 93 octane in a pinch if I'm driving the car cross country or something and don't know where my trusty fillup spots are? Is the sacrifice only for performance/efficiency? Or would it be totally unsafe for the car to go back to 93? Or would it not work at all?
If you have a tune for ethanol only (non flex) then you absolutely NEED to use that exact blend. Whether it be e30. E60 e85 etc.
If you have a flex tune it doesn't matter.
Just like if you have a 93 tune, you gotta use 93 gasoline.
93 gasoline has about 10% ethanol in it as is and those values could be a bit higher but not a lot.
Ethanol requires more fuel to be dumped into the engine so if you did straight 93 on a specific e85 tune you would be silly rich and knock like hell from the much lower octane. Ethanol also has a cooling effect that your tuner would of taken advantage of in the tune. Take that out of the equation also and your engine is in very risky territory.
Subaru engines are very picky about the modifications and tunes they get. Do a ton of research prior to modify your wrx please. This is why the platform gets such a bad rep. Im not saying you're the cause just saying don't be a statistic 🙌
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You think I could some of these on a 2022+ outback xt. Ofc watching the cvt but at least the tune
Seems to me the first mod would be removing or disabling the always ON even if unsubscribed Starlink / GPS tracker data snooper.
Any idea on what the safest torque is for the cvts? Been trying to figure it out for a while now
That's so strange I just bought a new 2024 wrx and it claims on Subaru that it makes 271 HP I wonder if it changed that much or if Its a lie on the website 😔
So a Cobb accessport won't be able to run a custom tune on your car if you have any mods like an air intake....you would need a pro tune?
Ok so first of all tuning doesn’t blow your motor
It helps significantly improve the engines reliability
If you add the correct mods
Don’t add big turbos but not upgrade your boost controller, or add a down pipe and header but not add an air oil separator.
Don’t be obsessed with a power number.
Definitely add an oil cooler definitely add an upgraded oil pump , oil pan and oil pick up
Increase your oil capacity and keep it cool 😎
I have a 16 wrx I bought with 5 miles on it. Had it tuned to a stage 2 setup with 5k miles
I now have e85 sensor and tuned making 387 whp on a stock block with 149,000 miles and my car is still absolutely fun to drive.
When modding your car the rules for dealer recommendations for maintenance go out the window because you increase the load and friction on mechanical parts. So instead of oil changes every 3k
Do it every 2k
Bought myself an ETS j-pipe but most turne shop tells me to skip it because of coding issues, check engine light etc. Is there any way around it? Or am I stuck with this?
So basically just buy a tuner load a canned 91/93 tune and enjoy the roughly 300 whp reliable wrx is what im hearing. Already have a blown mustang just looking for a little more pep on the daily
What a cool vid.
Nice job
I been seeing vids that the ets intake and Cobb tune could blow the motor?
U need a pro tune when installing a intake
I’m pretty sure the FA24 can do 1000hp. They just don’t know it yet
Forged internals dual turbos larger intakes and exhaust maybe an inline dual turbo
just got a 24 wrx this past saturday. I plan on keeping it stock for a month or two lol
Can you explain how to increase a HP on Subaru Outback 2005 with automatic transmission
I just bought a 2024 WRX with a CVT because I didn’t want a car my wife couldn’t drive. Are there any mods I could do to increase the horsepower without risking damage to the transmission?
The CVT is limited compared to the manual but I've seen 320 hp on a CVT. That's not a lot though.
@ cool thank you!
I had a feeling that a base map could get 300+, thx much
I don’t know shit about cars but just got my 24 wrx…. I was looking into the Mishimoto website and they have a package that has an intake and front mount intercooler…. Again I don’t know anything but I’m planning to add it to my fully stock vb can I do this? And I have no clue what a tune is. Can you guys help a brother out 😅
Does anyone have experience with the impact of performance mods like that and car insurance? I heard some insurers won't cover vehicles with performance mods. Is the best strategy here to keep it under wraps and play dumb?
Previous gens seem rather weak and with that, I am curious what the max sustainable and reliable power these engines can hold for a long period of time.
So with just the catback, specifically the Remark R1, is a tune still needed or is it good without one??
No, you don't need a tune for a catback
But you probably won't get any extra HP without a tune@@Jgambina91
WRX easy peasy. Can you show some outback love? Make an onyx xt mod video. Make a sick 450hp onyx xt beast. Lifted, boosted and fast
Okay, I HATED the look of this car when it came out but seeing it's matured and can look halfway decent, I'm seriously considering getting a 2023 or 2024 VB with the solid engine. I just won't look at the back as much until I add some body kit 😂 But it's crazy how much power can be added safely without spending thousands like the older generations. And my POS 2013 that blew the engine twice.
Month later...I got the TR roflmao
Decent numbers for bolt-ons. To be honest, I was impatient with Subaru making something that would not blow up after 400hp coming from the hawkeye. I am so glad I switched over to the Evo platform a long time ago. Seems like there will be room for more development for these cars. Honestly, the same old dance for most of these 4 cylinders. Sleeved built block, set of cams, big fuel pump, ID2000's, big-ish turbo, 50/60 psi boost, and it will be running 8's in no time..hahaha
😂 thats like fully modded bike fast lol
Another great way to make power with these is to sell it and get a B58!
Nah just kidding, pretty cool seeing a WRX making this much power.
I’m just curious to see how long they’ll last making that much power. I mean I love a fast car but if it only lasts a couple years I’ll just build a LS lol.
Does anyone know if you would need a tune for reliability if I were to install the ETS TMIC, or would it be safe to keep it on the stock tune? I understand you would get more performance benefits from a tune, just wondering if I can hold off on the tune will I'm waiting to get other internals before tuning the parts all together.
When is Cobb going to make a runner for the 22 Wrx gt
So im thinking of leasing a wrx because i Know that if i buy it ill want to modify it and waste my money on excessive mods i dont need. Is it ok (warranty wise) to lease and just have a tune on it? I Know @heavymetalwrx Said in one of his videos the jb4 was ok on the warranty but is it still ok while leasing?
My man, I'm in the same position and just leased a new 2023 wrx premium a few days ago. They told me not to mess with the ECU and just have a couple of bolt ons would be okay. So I decided the Perrin CAI and AeroFlow Catback exhaust. Also, down the line, you can obviously decide if you would like to stay with the car or not but I probably will lol The car is fun to drive and, more importantly, wanted something reliable and doesn't void the lease warranty agreement.
@@ColFighter018 Nice ! Good for you ! The dealer told you not to mess with the ECU or someone else ? So your gonna buy it after the lease term, then i guess there’s no further issue to have. Just wondering with your add ons such as air intake , don’t you need a tune after that ? I mean since you say they don’t want you to touch the ecu if you ever get a problem from having intake and such without tune will they be more inclined to keep the warranty because you didn’t tune or the opposite since you didn’t tune after add ons . Haha so many questions in this regard anyway hope it stays reliable and enjoyable !!!
I’ve delayed my purchase to next summer to see how my mortgage is impacted by interests rate but here car prices and interest are going nuts so not sure it was that good of an idea to wait haha
@kevinsavard2681 Someone in the dealership told me what I can't and can do more or less, but messing with the ECU would definitely void your warranty. I'm not sure yet if I'll buy it, but we'll see once the three years are up. I keep hearing from both sides with the Perrin CAI with tuning it or not, but I haven't because of keeping the warranty agreement. Tbh, life is short, so if you feel you can manage, then go for it! Take it easy bro
My va wrx has fbo with pro tune to only make 320 wheel hp, crazy how you make 350 with just an intake
you can put a ets top mount and front mount both on right
You can only put on one intercooler at a time.
Got to pick one or the other!
@@HeavyMetalWRX what the better route, front mount I assume
@@colew2178 it all depends on your build and future plans. If you know you'll be going past bolt ons later it's ok to spend the money on a FMIC now. If you're just doing some mild tuning with 1-2 extra options (Intake or jpipe) then a TMIC will be sufficient. Both are great options and a FMIC really gives your car that tuner look.
In one of the clips I definitely heard a BOV. I miss mine from my Focus ST, what brand/model can I get for this that won't mess up the boost?
I see a lot of people running Boomba. They were known to leak in the previous generation, just a heads up
that was just a waste gate/intake noise from the turbo, running a BOV on a MAF car is really really stupid unless you go speed density.
It's from the aftermarket intake
Will the stock motor hold at 400+HP?
Do you recommend the Aem intake? Are you still doing the install video?
The AEM intake is a great choice, it is okay to run on stock tune but you will want to get a pro tune to get the most performance from it!
Great video, thanks for the channel shout out on my Perrin Charge pipe video It was cool seeing my video footage on SubiSpeed. The power numbers with the VB WRX are unreal in my opinion. I have a Perrin FMIC coming this week and an ETS j pipe. Going with a Drunkman Tuning E30 tune. Hoping for 400 WHP / 400 tq on my car.
How did it go?
Guys please keep making videos dont mind the jerks
Wow I came across your video . I want to get 2023 wrx and mod it to 350 hp. Can you show that
cars engine isnt going to change in 23 lol just watch the video
Please change to colder spark plugs before doing any tune or piggyback
Just bought a black 2024 wrx sport tech. I have warranty tho for 7 years or 100,000kms. :(
Is that the guy from the movie mask!?
Lionitis looks good on you bro.
4:54 🤣🤣 gotta do what you gotta do to keep the EPA away
I’m planning on getting the 2023 WRX CVT , will all these mods fit into that car ?
The only difference that I'm certain of is the transmission. You should be able to use all the same mods for the "Subaru Performance Transmission" aka CVT. I'd be more worried and interested in seeing how much power the thing holds. I can see a future of the CVT holding really high power numbers only if built correctly. We used to say that automatics couldn't hold the power and now look at some of the fastest cars on the track.
Anyways, you shouldn't have any issue in modifying with these parts, should be all the same.
I would be leery of doing power mods with the CVT. Maybe wait until there is more data on this. I wouldn't go beyond 300hp. If I had the CVT I would keep it stock.
Question. I have a VB with Perrin Intake, AWE catback, COBB OTS tune. I’m waiting for my charge pipe to come in, would it beneficial at this point to need the charge pipe or wait for a pro-tune ?
Sounds like you have some great mods so far! When you get pro-tuned you will get the best results from your change pipe.
Charge pipe won't make a huge difference honestly
@@ranran2218 I’ve heard it helps a ton with turbo-lag?
That transmission won't last pushing 450whp. It's not a STI 6 speed so it's not anywhere near as durable.
That’s why you swap a STI transmission 😮
@EGOBreaker50 eh that's a lot of money and honestly in my opinion not worth it. Better cars to pick over the wrx.
It is a 6 speed tho?
@@brandansass897 yep it is a 6 speed but the wrx and sti 6 speed are not the same
Are these to the wheels or crank?
what about for those of us that prefer the SPT? how much power can it handle? theres too much traffic in my area to enjoy a manual.
Excuses. I live i Chicago near downtown and still drive a six speed 23 Ignition Red WRX.
I would definitely not go beyond the 300hp with the SPT. I would keep it stock to be on the safe side.
This chassis is crazzzyyyyyyy
Does cobb AP have 92 OCT tune?
Does anyone know if the STI 6 speed can be used in this?
How does this affect reliability?
Is launch control available now?
Does this mess up mpg
So what’s a safe number to say the stock block and transmission can handle?
I’m not 100% sure but I’ve heard online around 350hp/350torque
All you need is one mod: e85 amd tune. Nothing else. Well.. maybe a new clutch too. 400hp at the wheels. Easy.
Which of these will void the factory warranty?
Any performance mods I believe even a tune would
I have a new 2023 GR86,Is the engine the same as in the new WRX? FA 24?
Yep same engine except wrx is turbo’d
Yes but lower comp, i'd suspect there would be differences in the heads too like the 2L variants
If we’re talking bhp and not at the crack, lighter wheels can help too
At what power do we start to see the stock clutch take a doo-doo?
Video said 400WHP is where you should upgrade the clutch