Savagegeese is now what Car & Driver used to be, back when Car & Driver was a good rag that did independent testing and excellent writing. Well done, gents, very well done.
My dad subscribed to both Car & and Driver and Road & Track since I was a kid in the 80s. It didn’t take long for me to figure out that everything in them was advertising.
I should have been more specific. I was referring to C&D in the 60s and 70s, when nearly every road test ended with a wrecked car, a drunken dinner, or an angry manufacturer’s rep. And most of the writing was top shelf.
@@Sashazur Was that a TuxMat shot? I don't know, I'm asking. Generally, the car mags are pushing what's new. The new one wins the comparo and then loses out to the "regular cast" for 10Best. I could write the script.
Please tell them to release a manual version for the wrx. Their 2022+ wrx mats interfere with the clutch massively, it’s really disappointing. Had to return mine and go with weathertechs.
@@dewjustin all of their mats interfere with the clutch. they say it only bothers some, but it was too distracting for me. thankfully their return policy is great.
@@dewjustinfunny I had a similar problem with my 2023 civic sport 6MT. The mats came with a bunch of plastic+Velcro clips that I used to better secure the mat, and I got it so the clutch pedal didn't rub at all. I might have gotten lucky but yeah, had to fiddle with the driver side mat a bit to get it how I wanted. It's been installed for several months now, no issues with rubbing.
I ended up purchasing a WRX recently and even at the premium trim I don't know what car you can get an awd, turbo, 6 speed for under $35k. I paid $32.5k out the door for mine two months ago. I had my eye on a GR Corolla for a few months but the dealers wanted more than I was willing to pay. I am really happy with my WRX but I think they both seem like great cars overall.
It's an absolute steal. Have a 23 premium. Paid around 34.5k, but They weren't offering the deals a year ago that they are today. Absolutely love the car at 10k miles. Had a mishimoto catch can on it for 7k miles, but noticed oil consumption in the colder months. Took it off and the consumption went away. Definitely not worth the trouble if you live anywhere where it gets below freezing. Have heard better things about the IAG AOS, but am just going to leave it stock.
I still have my 04 WRX wagon, coming up on 21 years and 160k miles. Stage 2 tune and still lots of fun. Put winter tires on and she is a blast in snow. Have not had a payment in 17 years. What a great car. Yeas interior sucks compared to now a days. My daily is a 16BRZ.
Same man. I got a 23' base WRX for 28.5 OTD and it blows away anything in its class in terms of value for the dollar. The GRC looks awesome but its almost 10K more than my car and I dont think its worth that
I own a 2022 Limited WRX with the 6-speed manual. As a car enthusiast who’s gotten used to modifying, tracking, selling, rinse-and-repeating, I find it extremely difficult finding something to replace this pedestrian rally car with. The car I really wanted initially (Type R) has a massive price delta (even at MSRP), and the GR Corolla just didn’t do it for me when I sat in one. Aside from the road noise on the highway, the interior is pretty nice (Limited model helps a bit) and nothing comes close for value-for-dollar as a performance/practicality blend vehicle. The driver controls are all intuitive, and although I absolutely HATE the infotainment screen, it plays music better than any of my old Japanese tin cans. All in all, it’s a great buy for most folks. I’ve owned and driven quite a few cars for my age, so I may have different expectations and demands from a do-it-all type of car. I still think I’d be happier in a Type R, but I also find it difficult throwing the additional 20k-or-so after taxes to make the switch. The BRZ is also another compelling option, albeit much smaller (less “do-it-all” for potentially more smiles per mile). Thanks for reading my monologue. 😅 Love what the geese put out, as always. 🪿
This platform was never rallied by Subaru so technically its not a "rally" platform. Does have the heritage though where the Toyota doesn't. Though Toyota did Rally the Celica in the 80's and the Yaris of recent years, still not the same. The Corolla Hatch is also one of the ugliest cars on the road.
@@eppyzToyota ran a rally prepped version of the E110 Corolla for Group A in the late 90s. As well as the early 80s RWD Corollas ran in group A and N by drivers like Per Eklund.
@@eppyz "The Corolla hatch is also one of the ugliest cars on the road." I don't want to know what you think the best looking car on the road is, then, because it's probably a Nissan Juke or a Buick Encore.
Subaru with their whole "Hatchbacks don't sell so we won't make a hatchback WRX" is complete and utter bullshit. Every single car they sell other than the BRZ and Legacy (which is being discontinued this year) is a hatchback. Subaru needs to give the people what they want. The Impreza RS body with the WRX drivetrain.
I daily drive a 2006 STi, absolutely would finance a new RS with WRX guts! Been years without a car payment but I'd love them to do a proper RS, they would sell vs the "wrx"
EXACTLY. If hatches/wagons suck so much then how the hell is the Crosstrek/Outback one of the best selling models for YEARS now? They're honestly delusional and lost the spark. Arguably it all went downhill after 2008 and post 2013/14 was the real nail in the coffin IMO.
I wanted a GR. Like, I really WANTED that car. I saved up $20k to plop down a significant amount on it, thinking I'd find a Circuit Edition for $50k or so and could whittle that down to $30k, something more digestible. But good lord, the dealers here want $55-60k for those cars, and even then it's a mad race to find one. They'd be sold while still in transit. I could find a loaded WRX Premium for $31k here. The difference is absolutely not worth paying almost twice the amount of money for, especially since the GRs are having engine issues now, overheating LSDs, and Toyota is being super wishy-washy about their warranties.
This is more or less exactly what Top Gear back in the 2000's said about the WRX vs the Evo, saying exactly what you're saying about the WRX about the WRX, and exactly what you're saying about the GR Corolla about the Evo
To this day I can remember Clarkson summary. The Evo is better in every performative way but on the drive home. He finds himself more drawn to the subaru. Best single sentence summary now almost what? 20 years old?
The WRX engine has way more room to add more power and its way more useable. The GR Corolla valve springs start to fail around 325HP and the differential goes into limp mode too easily. The WRX can get to 380HP with very few mods, and it doesn't have any engine or differential issues.
OMFG!?! Skip the ad?? Nah let him cook!! I had a 16 wrx that i bought new and owned for over 6 years, it was the best car I've ever owned. Had it stage 2 bolt ons with an off the shelf tune, while it wasn't the fastest thing ( couldn't ever take any Infiniti g35/g37 or nissan maxima) it was definately plenty to get you into trouble. Tire setup were pilot sports 4s in the summer and it felt like it was on rails, i never reached the grip limit, and x-ice in the midwest winters and the thing was an absolute tank. After 6 years of ownership it only depreciated $16,000, only mechanical problem i had was the throw out bearing in the clutch fork sticking, had to have 2 clutch replacements under 30k mi. Even though i had been driving manuals for over 10 years. As for practicality one Thanksgiving i placed 4 8' tables and 20 folding chairs in it. The car did everything well, it had personality, it turned into a living thing, the wrx is a truely special car, i genuinely miss it. Thanks Mark and Jack and team for the awesome content.
A '16 stage 2 wrx with bolt ons would put bus lengths on the cars you mentioned.... My fbo is making 420whp, and that's only because I'm trying to save the trans and clutch...
Had a 2017 premium and lemon lawed it due to the throw out bearing, every cold start would cause the car to squel when pressing and depressing the clutch. Such a shame as I loved the damn car.
O'Neil rally school up in NH just bought a new WRX and has been posting videos of them tearing up courses. It looks absurdly capable straight out of the box. Funnnn.
@@ZackNakazora1 never understood the screeching. I love my new WRX, and still love my 02 big eye wagon, but very different machines and loved for different reasons
@@Natedoc808 they haven't really tested anything else capable to rally. Seems like they mostly choose things that would be terrible at rallying, and try them through the course. Which is more entertaining in my opinion
@@gp.5989Just got my premium for 31k a few days ago. They had 2 24s and 2 23s. Went with the 23 just because of the incentive, can’t beat 1.9 apr and 31k
4:50 The green house, there’s so much more glass. The visibility is incredible, it feels like an older car. Yeah, that really kicks me in the feels. One thing I miss about older cars is amount of light and space given to occupants. Modern cars, by a combination of safety features like side curtain airbags, side crash structures, are inherently darker spaces by design. Modern car designers make this worse by generally picking a dark interior palette. Net result is feeling like you’re sitting in a tiny cave.
The big windows is definitely something that the Subaru designers got right! I'm really hoping we see a general move in the industry towards larger windows.
@@bradcomis1066you won't, high belt lines and low rooflines will make windows seem smaller. Thick pillars are safety bonuses and full curtain airbags beef them up further.
@@mikeydude750 yeah those nannies that hate seeing their loved ones killed in accidents, weird. People with families tend to have their car purchases influenced primarily by safety ratings, and the tests that develop the ratings are constantly getting harder. It wouldn't be such a huge problem if cars were reasonably sized, but there are so many massive trucks and SUVs running around the old style sedan needs to be a tank to survive a collision.
Respect brother, never seen actual stock stereo audio testing and Dyno testing AND! non pro vs pro driver track testing all in one performance car review! I've watched thousands of car reviews, as a mechanic these things interest me very much(performance machines of all kinds have pretty much been my life for 30yrs) and this is the most comprehensive and complete review I've ever seen! Props guys SUBSCRIBED!
@@MrRumcup in the USA we got the 1998 2.5RS (WRX body kit with 2.5L ~160hp naturally aspirated engine) in Acadia Green. They are the unicorns, the rarest of all 2.5RS by an order of magnitude. (Our first WRX showed up as the 2002 model year).
The geese taking flight as Mark reprised the Jimmy Page psychodelic sunglasses by the lake scene from The Song Remains the Same movie was just brutally clever.
bought a 22 vb base. dyno’d at 253whp then did an intake and 93oct OTS tune and made 306. every dyno is different but the percentage of gain was wild to see. intake noises paired with an axleback make it an amazing daily. just hit 44k miles and i love it
8:45 correction here, the WRX is 50:50 split with a viscous coupling with the manual gearbox. The automatic has a slightly more rear-bias split. The old CVT had a 45/55 split, but they may changed it a bit. It's still rear bias.
Yaris GRMN would smoke all of these... You guys need to see what Rally drivers have been doing with the 2024 Yaris, they have been pulling off some really CRAZY times and even setting some new world record times for a lot of stages... It's crazy how that little shitbox performs in WRC!
Still having a blast with my GRC. Everything functions great, I love the engine, surprisingly good handling, decent stick, and perfect size for my needs.
I love the the small hatchback formula. My first car was a 1988 Honda CRX si and 2nd car a 1993 Civic hatchback vx. And my next daily will be the 2024 GR Corolla Circuit.
I've test driven both the new wrx (limited) and GR. As you can see in the video, there was only a 3 second lap time difference. The GR was superior but the WRX still competed well. Their drag and trap times are very close too. The GR front looks like a base model corolla and the interior seemed cheaper. The WRX sits lower and actually has better interior materials. Like the video mentioned, the WRX has better seats (I sat only the LTD). The WRX has more room inside while the GR feels a little cramped. I also like the visibility on the WRX. While the GR feels raw and racy, I felt the ride was too rough for daily driving especially in a city with a lot of potholes. The WRX was more comfortable. In the past, people complained the WRX was too immature. The WRX is now the mature car and there are still complaints that they miss the rawness of the old models. I ended up not buying either of these cars but still enjoyed test driving. If you plan to race stock on a track like autocross, the GR is the way to go. But anything else, like daily driving, space, seats, interior, etc, the WRX is superior. I terms of mods, the WRX has the higher ceiling. There's already a national known tuner company in Houston that is making the WRX a 10 second car for under 6k. There have been issues with GR mods including the rear dif overheating and AWD system also overheating (you can google it for more details). If I had to choose, the WRX would be my overall choice.
Great comparison. I really appreciate how you guys focused on what's most important for cars, which is performance and comfort. So many other "youtubers" *ahem car salesmen* drone on and on about small insignificants such as the infotainment, LED lights, how nice the dashboard feels. How many people stroke their dashboards on a daily basis or really care what technology produces their turn signals? You guys do mention those things but in such a non-intrusive way, just the way it should be. One thing that surprised me is how little power the GR Corolla made. On paper, it should blow the WRX away with 300hp but on the dyno it proved otherwise. Very interesting. Makes me wonder what the Civic type R would make on the same dyno.
Well it is faster to 60 by .5 to a full second based on testing. Also faster in the 1/4 mile by .5 a second. It’s mostly down to weight and power delivery.
Great video! Excellent tuxmat ad placement! This reminds me of the Evo vs STi comparison of the 2003-2006 timeframe where one was more brutish, and one more edgy. I keep hearing ppl compare the GRC to the STi hatch, but the hatch is really where the comparison stops. It delivers powers more like the EVO and I love it! Having owned both an 05 STi and and 06 EVO 9 I traded the STi for the EVO and one was more a hatchet and the other more a scalpel in the way it delivered power and handling.
The GRC is still sold at markup because many Toyota dealerships are awful. With that in mind, the WRX is the better buy. Toyota…fix your dealer network, please.
These boys and redline reviews I find the best at reviews, straight to the point no fussing around, and straight to the point, honest opinion. If you want some entertainment then throttle house but these boys are number one followed by redline. Excellent video once again, well done
@RiptideOnTop I'm pretty sure he knows that therefore he said bhp, what he's trying to convey is Toyota is either over inflating their numbers or Subaru is underrating theirs, something ain't adding up.
Yaris GRMN would smoke all of these... You guys need to see what Rally drivers have been doing with the 2024 Yaris, they have been pulling off some really CRAZY times and even setting some new world record times for a lot of stages... It's crazy how that little shitbox performs in WRC!
The GR would be a great daily, but they seem to have a problem of burning down on the side of a highway, and Toyota doesn't seem interested in figuring out why, or warranty them because they went over 85 mph in the computer data. They resolve this issue it is a great value
If you look at the potential when you tune, the wrx blows everything out of the water. They made a brillant engine capable of excess of 600 horses. Just with stage 1, i believe you get up to almost 300 hp.
Have never driven either, but know several men who owned WRX and modified them. They all moved on to the a Honda Civic STI or R whatever you call it. I'd go with the GR Corolla just because of Toyota build quality and long term reliability.
Excellent comparison. Subaru missed an opportunity here, not putting the STI trans/diffs in, and not running a track pad. I chose the WRX: I got it when I wanted it, at invoice, with no haggling. And here's the kicker for me: I wanted great visibility, comfortable for 4 adults, AND capability. I can tune out the chassis later if I choose to race, or swap in an STI transmission. I can't make the car bigger, or less cramped. And that's what drove me away from the GRC to the WRX.
This is probably one of the best production video I've seen. I mean, the Hagerty videos with Jason Cammisa are astonishing but review wise, you guys are the best out there.
I own a VB and have driven a GR on track and on the road. My take: if it's a track car GR all day. if it's your daily, the WRX is unquestionably the better choice
@@Toyota4Life never said it didn't look good. If someone didn't know that's not a factory color they'd be very disappointed if they were ready to stroll into their local Toyota dealership looking for a green GR Corolla. What's your point, jagoff?
About a month ago you dish out the Aprils Fools thing... and now we have this Tux mat ad. Excellent work. Appreciate the length you go to for these bits.
Thanks for this comparison match up. I always check your reviews before purchasing because you guys are no BS straight shooters. Luckily for us you add humor especially for advertising. The Tuxmats was truly a gem with the song! Thanks Savagegeese!
We traded our '18 Civic SI with 82k miles for a '23 base WRX and we paid 29k and got 16k for the Civic. I absolutely love the WRX, the fa24f is extremely smooth, it's a blast to launch, great visibility, spacious enough for the family and it handles very well. The MPG isn't anywhere as good as the Civic SI, but otherwise we are very happy.
@g78912 I would recommend starting at 3k RPM, getting used to slipping the clutch while feeding the gas, and then gradually going up by 500 RPM. The hardest I have launched my car was 5k RPM, and the redline comes up really fast. You can do 6k launches, but it will eventually damage your clutch and drive train. Good luck 👍!
"Hatchbacks don't sell well" is from Subaru's experience from YEARS back. Times have drastically changed, where nowadays, sedans don't sell well, while performance hatchbacks (Honda CTR, Golf-R, GR Corolla) sell like hotcakes. Subaru screwed up badly by introducing the new WRX as a sedan.
Finally, the video we needed. TR is still just a perf package. It needed a better tune, because the engine is so under-tuned it's ridiculous. And I would agree with that initial statement, the Corolla GR is a real hot hatch, where the WRX is a slightly sportified sedan. I own a VB WRX, but have owned a lot of hot hatches in England and the USA.. so the GR is just natural territory for me in what I see them achieving. Long story short VB is warm sedan, whilst GR is a hot hatch.
I freaking love my GRC. It's my first new car. The only car I've ever had payments on. I can afford it. A financial adviser would probably tell me to sell it. But I love it. It doesn't have armrests. I can't fit a water bottle anywhere. The glove box doesn't lock. But it's a freaking awd manual hatchback. I can rip the handbrake and lock the rear tires. The engine revs. I have to remind myself to be quiet driving home late at night and not idle the car because I don't want my neighbors to hate me. The car just grips. I have yet to reach the limit of grip on a public road in the dry. It just grips the road and accelerates out of corners. Haven't overheated the diff pounding back roads. The visibility sucks. Your seating position is like a school bus. But the sound of the blow off valve just makes me happy.
It has max 12 lb boost, but after 2 years, I can tell you that except in 1rst gear, it rarely boosts over about 9 lbs. It sucks when pulling in 3rd/4th/5th because it never maxes out the power. I would get a tune to fix that, but what's the point? Just trade it in for a BMW or something else already properly tuned.
I'll watch an SUV review from these guys because they're that good. But this comparison is right up my alley so I was surprised that the tuxmat ad was even better than the comparison 👏
@@David_Journey out of the box the MX-5 needs help. It was dancing around on the highway with a poor stock alignment and the body roll was comical. I’ve already put a new set of springs, lowered it a couple inches, added adjustable dampers on it, and changed the alignment to a tighter response. It does really beg for just a bit more mid-range torque. The brakes are great after some different pads and fluid. No big break kit is needed unless you track it. Tires on a car like this are already very good. Perhaps going an inch wider is all you really need. People supercharge the engine all the time and don’t have to make major modifications. I just think it just needs about 230hp and it would be in the sweet spot any more and it’s overpowered.
@@David_Journey yes I already know how it drove stock. I own the car. I live in San Diego and it’s full of canyon back roads and sketchy surfaces. I daily my car and do runs with my Miata club. So it lives a full life. I’m telling you now that in stock form it needs some minor adjustments to make it better. That body roll is scary in some corners and the shocks are way too soft. You can pitch the car into oversteer very easily on a double S curve. The car is under sprung. If you don’t drive on very curvy roads and drive on well maintained roads like at less than 50% then stock is a peach, except on the highway. Stock alignment provides an unsteady amount of play in the wheel and it tends to feel a bit darty above 60mph. Especially concrete freeway. If you drive with any kind of spirit, then you need it more focused. It only took about $2k installed to make it drive so much better and there is zero body roll. It’s like a go-cart and it soaks up bumpy pavement much better with some quality dampers like the Konis I have installed that only takes a few moments to set from racing to smooth before you go driving. In stock form, the body roll is there so you get the feeling of speed without actually going fast. I guess we will call it personal preference. I do guarantee that with equal tires I will outpace any stock Miata and feel less stress doing it. Now that extra HP I’m asking for would be great with a club edition and some actual stiffer springs.
Not at all. Pretty sure they showed the wrx crank hp. Plenty of other dyno runs online show 210-220 wheel hp on the wrx/wrx tr (same engine and trans either way) wrx can't even beat a fwd Elantra N off the line and I've beat plenty with an elantra N. But I couldn't beat a gr corolla for shit. Only time I was able to win against one was at the drag strip with radials.
@@ViaticalGenie4Elantra N is underated from the factory and is 100 lbs lighter than the lightest WRX trim. Its no surprise its quicker. Then again, you have to factor in price difference. I got my 23' base WRX for $28,500 OTD while the EN would realistically be around 35-37K OTD (state dependant)
@alamsas2 yes that does. I'm pretty sure these guys are biased. The whole time they were acting like subarus are impressive. They're horrible. I've owned a few and the only time I enjoyed them was in the snow. Track days were garbage. Upgraded brakes and coilovers helped but I'd rather drive a truck around a track.
@@ViaticalGenie4 Elantra N could be a better track car, just hope it's not your daily, because the dealer service sucks so bad, you won't get it back for weeks. They never offer a rental either.
Great work! Have a set of Tuxmat, work great in the Rustbelt. On the side not: I am surprised SG hasn't reviewed Alfa Romeo Stelvio (quick review of Guilia was done 6-7 years ago). To me it seems like a car/SUV SG always talks about. Affordable, practical, fun. A used low mileage is in high 20s - lows 30s. A great looking vehicle that is not perfect but has a personality and is fun to drive. Reliability is not an issue at all.
Awesome video, as always. I especially like that I have driven these cars and know people who own them, and they are within reach. It's fun to see "exotics" tested but really appreciate the more affordable cars being tested as well.
Thank you for pointing out that $40K+ is "a lot of money". I get tired of hearing reviewers talking about this kind of money like it's trivial. I'll have to check the specs to see what the lower trim levels of the WRX lose, in terms of "go fast" goodies. I'm just glad that they are still putting some fun cars out there. Nice job on the reviews!
I have a 2021 WRX and just about all the points about the VB are the reason I won't be trading in for a VB. The character of the FA20 is similar to the 1.6 in the GR, peaky boost and stronger torque hit makes it more aggressive at corner exit without having to be in higher RPM. Other than the brakes, every other issue is a cost that is incurred no matter what. I've already rebuilt all the shifter components, new billet short throw shift plate, solid bushings and shift stops, slightly stiffer suspension components. With a slightly better intercooler and a very mild tune the VA WRX is incredibly competent and I spent a fraction of the cost of a TR. Also I'll take the older infotainment in the previous gen to the horrid system Subaru is using in everything now.
@@PsychoCPU Yeah but the depreciation curve is steepest within the first 3-5 years. Especially when you consider the tacked on costs comprised of taxes and fees. If you would like to swap cars relatively often it may make more sense to lease if you can get a low money factor. You won’t get the full brunt of taxes and you’ll know exactly how much depreciation you’ll be paying for up front.
TR doesnt make sense at its price. Luckily, most dealers are selling below MSRP so that helps. WRXs only makes sense in lower trims imo. My base infotainment has literally never gave me issues but I admit the VA interior layout is more cohesive
Just swapped out my Michelin 4s’s for a set of Bridgestone Re003s. Cannot believe how good they are! Grip is incredible, it feels sharper and it’s also quieter than the Michelins.
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Savagegeese is now what Car & Driver used to be, back when Car & Driver was a good rag that did independent testing and excellent writing. Well done, gents, very well done.
My dad subscribed to both Car & and Driver and Road & Track since I was a kid in the 80s. It didn’t take long for me to figure out that everything in them was advertising.
I've read Car & Driver since the 80's. They are not as good as you make it out.
I should have been more specific. I was referring to C&D in the 60s and 70s, when nearly every road test ended with a wrecked car, a drunken dinner, or an angry manufacturer’s rep. And most of the writing was top shelf.
@@Sashazur Was that a TuxMat shot? I don't know, I'm asking. Generally, the car mags are pushing what's new. The new one wins the comparo and then loses out to the "regular cast" for 10Best. I could write the script.
...Back in my day Jack would keep his homosexuality to himself 😢
Came for the car comparo, stayed for the TuxMat interlude
I saw this comment and was like okay whatever. But oh my god😭
Truly the best sponsorship spot I've ever seen.
When Frank Sinatra comes back from the dead to drop a single about TuxMats, it’s serious
TuxMats, yay, but now I gotta go to Arby’s for lunch.
One of the few channels where I don't skip the ad
Subaru should offer a carbon fiber vape pen holder.
Haha, Subaru got the vape bros, Mustang got the crowd killer bros, Dodge Charger and Challenger got the takeover, robber and thieves bros!!!!!
Subaru should come with a rainbow flag and an aarp card
HAHAHAHA
And carbon fibre oil drip tray.
Would be pointless here in Aus. Vapes are banned here.
I realy hope TuxMats realizes how valuable your advertising exposure is. Your guy's are genius.
Please tell them to release a manual version for the wrx. Their 2022+ wrx mats interfere with the clutch massively, it’s really disappointing. Had to return mine and go with weathertechs.
@@dewjustin all of their mats interfere with the clutch. they say it only bothers some, but it was too distracting for me. thankfully their return policy is great.
@@dewjustin I have a '22 WRX 6mt, and I love my tuxmats! Weathertech is garbage in comparison.
@@steve8803 have fun with the squeaking and squishing of the mat every time you clutch in bud, what a nightmare.
@@dewjustinfunny I had a similar problem with my 2023 civic sport 6MT. The mats came with a bunch of plastic+Velcro clips that I used to better secure the mat, and I got it so the clutch pedal didn't rub at all. I might have gotten lucky but yeah, had to fiddle with the driver side mat a bit to get it how I wanted. It's been installed for several months now, no issues with rubbing.
I ended up purchasing a WRX recently and even at the premium trim I don't know what car you can get an awd, turbo, 6 speed for under $35k. I paid $32.5k out the door for mine two months ago. I had my eye on a GR Corolla for a few months but the dealers wanted more than I was willing to pay. I am really happy with my WRX but I think they both seem like great cars overall.
It's an absolute steal. Have a 23 premium. Paid around 34.5k, but They weren't offering the deals a year ago that they are today. Absolutely love the car at 10k miles. Had a mishimoto catch can on it for 7k miles, but noticed oil consumption in the colder months. Took it off and the consumption went away. Definitely not worth the trouble if you live anywhere where it gets below freezing. Have heard better things about the IAG AOS, but am just going to leave it stock.
I still have my 04 WRX wagon, coming up on 21 years and 160k miles. Stage 2 tune and still lots of fun. Put winter tires on and she is a blast in snow. Have not had a payment in 17 years. What a great car. Yeas interior sucks compared to now a days. My daily is a 16BRZ.
Same man. I got a 23' base WRX for 28.5 OTD and it blows away anything in its class in terms of value for the dollar. The GRC looks awesome but its almost 10K more than my car and I dont think its worth that
Mazda 3?
@@ragebait988 Mazda 3 with AWD isn't available in 6 speed, at least according to their builder. That spec also starts at 37.5.
I own a 2022 Limited WRX with the 6-speed manual. As a car enthusiast who’s gotten used to modifying, tracking, selling, rinse-and-repeating, I find it extremely difficult finding something to replace this pedestrian rally car with. The car I really wanted initially (Type R) has a massive price delta (even at MSRP), and the GR Corolla just didn’t do it for me when I sat in one.
Aside from the road noise on the highway, the interior is pretty nice (Limited model helps a bit) and nothing comes close for value-for-dollar as a performance/practicality blend vehicle. The driver controls are all intuitive, and although I absolutely HATE the infotainment screen, it plays music better than any of my old Japanese tin cans.
All in all, it’s a great buy for most folks. I’ve owned and driven quite a few cars for my age, so I may have different expectations and demands from a do-it-all type of car. I still think I’d be happier in a Type R, but I also find it difficult throwing the additional 20k-or-so after taxes to make the switch. The BRZ is also another compelling option, albeit much smaller (less “do-it-all” for potentially more smiles per mile).
Thanks for reading my monologue. 😅 Love what the geese put out, as always. 🪿
Enjoy it, I have a 2023 RS3 with APR catback
This platform was never rallied by Subaru so technically its not a "rally" platform. Does have the heritage though where the Toyota doesn't. Though Toyota did Rally the Celica in the 80's and the Yaris of recent years, still not the same. The Corolla Hatch is also one of the ugliest cars on the road.
@@eppyzToyota ran a rally prepped version of the E110 Corolla for Group A in the late 90s. As well as the early 80s RWD Corollas ran in group A and N by drivers like Per Eklund.
dude your monologue inspired me
@@eppyz "The Corolla hatch is also one of the ugliest cars on the road." I don't want to know what you think the best looking car on the road is, then, because it's probably a Nissan Juke or a Buick Encore.
Since I installed TuxMats in my vehicle, my T levels have increased by 50%. Thanks Mark!
That's a lotta beef and cheddar.
It's not that much tbh
That’s what he said.
That’s why everything in America is getting bigger.
@@Anhedonis one v8 sports car in 2024..
That cheese looks horrendous.
Subaru with their whole "Hatchbacks don't sell so we won't make a hatchback WRX" is complete and utter bullshit. Every single car they sell other than the BRZ and Legacy (which is being discontinued this year) is a hatchback. Subaru needs to give the people what they want. The Impreza RS body with the WRX drivetrain.
Flat out facts
I daily drive a 2006 STi, absolutely would finance a new RS with WRX guts! Been years without a car payment but I'd love them to do a proper RS, they would sell vs the "wrx"
On top of that, they brought the wrx sportswagon to mexico this month but not the US
EXACTLY. If hatches/wagons suck so much then how the hell is the Crosstrek/Outback one of the best selling models for YEARS now? They're honestly delusional and lost the spark. Arguably it all went downhill after 2008 and post 2013/14 was the real nail in the coffin IMO.
I'm glad it's not a hatchback
I wanted a GR. Like, I really WANTED that car. I saved up $20k to plop down a significant amount on it, thinking I'd find a Circuit Edition for $50k or so and could whittle that down to $30k, something more digestible. But good lord, the dealers here want $55-60k for those cars, and even then it's a mad race to find one. They'd be sold while still in transit. I could find a loaded WRX Premium for $31k here. The difference is absolutely not worth paying almost twice the amount of money for, especially since the GRs are having engine issues now, overheating LSDs, and Toyota is being super wishy-washy about their warranties.
Much better off spending 35K-40K on a C7 corvette
@@lows6427 Maybe but not if you need a 4 door daily
This is more or less exactly what Top Gear back in the 2000's said about the WRX vs the Evo, saying exactly what you're saying about the WRX about the WRX, and exactly what you're saying about the GR Corolla about the Evo
20 years later and the WRX still exists. It has a good formula.
To this day I can remember Clarkson summary. The Evo is better in every performative way but on the drive home. He finds himself more drawn to the subaru. Best single sentence summary now almost what? 20 years old?
yeah but the Evo is still running with no issues after 20 yrs and the Subaru is on its 3rd motor so yeah.@@ZackNakazora1
Well, with mods the Subaru will be better. They tuned a WRX to same HP as GR and it smoked the GR. Could be a little bit of driver.
@@In.da.pot.that.some_wap both are ugly though can't fix that so easily🙄
The WRX engine has way more room to add more power and its way more useable. The GR Corolla valve springs start to fail around 325HP and the differential goes into limp mode too easily. The WRX can get to 380HP with very few mods, and it doesn't have any engine or differential issues.
OMFG!?! Skip the ad?? Nah let him cook!!
I had a 16 wrx that i bought new and owned for over 6 years, it was the best car I've ever owned. Had it stage 2 bolt ons with an off the shelf tune, while it wasn't the fastest thing ( couldn't ever take any Infiniti g35/g37 or nissan maxima) it was definately plenty to get you into trouble. Tire setup were pilot sports 4s in the summer and it felt like it was on rails, i never reached the grip limit, and x-ice in the midwest winters and the thing was an absolute tank. After 6 years of ownership it only depreciated $16,000, only mechanical problem i had was the throw out bearing in the clutch fork sticking, had to have 2 clutch replacements under 30k mi. Even though i had been driving manuals for over 10 years. As for practicality one Thanksgiving i placed 4 8' tables and 20 folding chairs in it. The car did everything well, it had personality, it turned into a living thing, the wrx is a truely special car, i genuinely miss it.
Thanks Mark and Jack and team for the awesome content.
You bring a tear to me eye. Well said....it really is a very special car.
How the fuck was it slower than a maxima? They’re not even fast, my brother has one. Lol
A '16 stage 2 wrx with bolt ons would put bus lengths on the cars you mentioned.... My fbo is making 420whp, and that's only because I'm trying to save the trans and clutch...
Had a 2017 premium and lemon lawed it due to the throw out bearing, every cold start would cause the car to squel when pressing and depressing the clutch. Such a shame as I loved the damn car.
@@ColeWorldNoSandwichI have a 2019 and it's on its third throwout bearing. Total crap. Damn I want a GRC so badly.
O'Neil rally school up in NH just bought a new WRX and has been posting videos of them tearing up courses. It looks absurdly capable straight out of the box. Funnnn.
yup, holds the fastest time of everything they've tested by 3 seconds.
@@Natedoc808almost makes the screeching from the "hard core" subie boys seem needless lol subaru knows what they are doing. Much to our jargon
@@ZackNakazora1 never understood the screeching. I love my new WRX, and still love my 02 big eye wagon, but very different machines and loved for different reasons
@@ZackNakazora1most of the screeching is about the exterior, because it looks gross as hell
@@Natedoc808 they haven't really tested anything else capable to rally. Seems like they mostly choose things that would be terrible at rallying, and try them through the course. Which is more entertaining in my opinion
Whatever TuxMats paid for that ad, it wasn’t enough.
I can't wait to pick up my VB this year. This just confirms I can still have a fun, affordable car that the wife and kids can hop into.
Dad of 3 checking in here - we love our 24 TR. fits the entire family if needed, my bike in the trunk with seats back etc. You won’t be disappointed
@sasquachjl1228 thanks for the heads up and glad to hear you're enjoying it.
@@gp.5989Just got my premium for 31k a few days ago. They had 2 24s and 2 23s. Went with the 23 just because of the incentive, can’t beat 1.9 apr and 31k
the ad alone should be emmy nominated for best acting and cinematography 😭😭
This is a comparison I had in my head for a practical daily for my BRZ. Awesome timing! Omg the Tuxmat placement rocks!
My GR Corolla is a great daily for my turbo FRS. Highly recommend it
I daily my frs lolll
@@de5pa1r34 I daily the BRZ and love it. But now I live in the mountains and have a 35 mile commute.
@@de5pa1r34 kinda miss dailying the FRS, but I see clients now and I can't be driving a loud and smelly car 😂
And please do know that we appreciate and value the quality you bring and the time you invest on this.
4:50
The green house, there’s so much more glass. The visibility is incredible, it feels like an older car.
Yeah, that really kicks me in the feels. One thing I miss about older cars is amount of light and space given to occupants. Modern cars, by a combination of safety features like side curtain airbags, side crash structures, are inherently darker spaces by design. Modern car designers make this worse by generally picking a dark interior palette. Net result is feeling like you’re sitting in a tiny cave.
Yes well said I agree. Especially the back seats.
The big windows is definitely something that the Subaru designers got right! I'm really hoping we see a general move in the industry towards larger windows.
@@bradcomis1066you won't, high belt lines and low rooflines will make windows seem smaller. Thick pillars are safety bonuses and full curtain airbags beef them up further.
@@Hawk7886 Sad, all the safety nannies got their way and drivers have less fun for it
@@mikeydude750 yeah those nannies that hate seeing their loved ones killed in accidents, weird. People with families tend to have their car purchases influenced primarily by safety ratings, and the tests that develop the ratings are constantly getting harder. It wouldn't be such a huge problem if cars were reasonably sized, but there are so many massive trucks and SUVs running around the old style sedan needs to be a tank to survive a collision.
Respect brother, never seen actual stock stereo audio testing and Dyno testing AND! non pro vs pro driver track testing all in one performance car review! I've watched thousands of car reviews, as a mechanic these things interest me very much(performance machines of all kinds have pretty much been my life for 30yrs) and this is the most comprehensive and complete review I've ever seen! Props guys SUBSCRIBED!
Mark's product placements are simply best in the industry. Turning something I would normally skip into a funny intermission. Keep up the good stuff.
Can't believe Subaru has never offered the WRX in green .
Ima be wrapping mine green soon lol
@@MrRumcup That's pretty cool, never offered in the US.
Green has usually been reserved for more intelligent car owners.
@@MrRumcup in the USA we got the 1998 2.5RS (WRX body kit with 2.5L ~160hp naturally aspirated engine) in Acadia Green. They are the unicorns, the rarest of all 2.5RS by an order of magnitude.
(Our first WRX showed up as the 2002 model year).
@@mediocreman2 orrrr because most shades of green look hideous on cars. oh the irony with your comment lol
The geese taking flight as Mark reprised the Jimmy Page psychodelic sunglasses by the lake scene from The Song Remains the Same movie was just brutally clever.
ZOSO
This is a true cinematic masterpiece
Just wanted to mention that Bridgestone makes the best rubber on market.
@@KubuśpuchatekTVN No, that's Michelin's crown for sure.
@@EvoraGT430 The worst brand for motorcycles. I recommend michelin only to polish people.
First day on the internet?
Got a laugh out of Mark having to stop himself from saying “a more luxurious experience” when comparing interiors
bought a 22 vb base. dyno’d at 253whp then did an intake and 93oct OTS tune and made 306. every dyno is different but the percentage of gain was wild to see. intake noises paired with an axleback make it an amazing daily. just hit 44k miles and i love it
8:45 correction here, the WRX is 50:50 split with a viscous coupling with the manual gearbox. The automatic has a slightly more rear-bias split. The old CVT had a 45/55 split, but they may changed it a bit. It's still rear bias.
Was that for the VB? I remember the VAs being 45/55 for the MT and 40/60 for the CVT.
Funny how that rear bias works when tested 24:50
60/40 cvt
45/55 cvt with rear bias. However the GT has VTD variable torque distribution. So it can send more to the rear , more than 55%
Yaris GRMN would smoke all of these... You guys need to see what Rally drivers have been doing with the 2024 Yaris, they have been pulling off some really CRAZY times and even setting some new world record times for a lot of stages... It's crazy how that little shitbox performs in WRC!
31 minutes of not comparing… nice.
Seriously nice reviews for both of these souped up imports.
Still having a blast with my GRC. Everything functions great, I love the engine, surprisingly good handling, decent stick, and perfect size for my needs.
The WRX hatch didn't sell well?! It was over 50% of WRX sales, and now 100% of Impreza sales
It's not on an Impreza platform
Isn’t the Impreza only available as a hatchback?
I have a Type R and my co worker just bought a circuit GR Corolla, it’s such a beautiful car in person Japanese style, reliability and fun!
That Tuxmat commercial was pure gold.
I ordered two sets of tux mats after watching. One set for my GRC. One set for wife to use as a diaper changing mat. . .Happy Mother’s Day!
Best mats on the market…….
Quite the difference from the Beef N Cheddar's Mark was wolfing down. 1st time I've heard of Tux Mats because WeatherTechs were always my go to.
OMG. Only Savagegeese does an embedded commercial even better than the program.
Without question, the best infomercial I've ever experienced for any brand. You made me cry. That was incredible!
I like that you had professional driver test the cars and give his thoughts. That was the best part of the video.
I'd really like to see a video comparing the GR Corolla and the GR Yaris! If that's something you can make happen I'd be so stoked!
I love the the small hatchback formula. My first car was a 1988 Honda CRX si and 2nd car a 1993 Civic hatchback vx. And my next daily will be the 2024 GR Corolla Circuit.
Your branded digital content Tuxmat ad was legitimately so well produced I didn't skip. Congrats on expanding the business tastefully. Appreciate ya
I've test driven both the new wrx (limited) and GR. As you can see in the video, there was only a 3 second lap time difference. The GR was superior but the WRX still competed well. Their drag and trap times are very close too. The GR front looks like a base model corolla and the interior seemed cheaper. The WRX sits lower and actually has better interior materials.
Like the video mentioned, the WRX has better seats (I sat only the LTD). The WRX has more room inside while the GR feels a little cramped. I also like the visibility on the WRX. While the GR feels raw and racy, I felt the ride was too rough for daily driving especially in a city with a lot of potholes. The WRX was more comfortable. In the past, people complained the WRX was too immature. The WRX is now the mature car and there are still complaints that they miss the rawness of the old models. I ended up not buying either of these cars but still enjoyed test driving.
If you plan to race stock on a track like autocross, the GR is the way to go. But anything else, like daily driving, space, seats, interior, etc, the WRX is superior. I terms of mods, the WRX has the higher ceiling. There's already a national known tuner company in Houston that is making the WRX a 10 second car for under 6k. There have been issues with GR mods including the rear dif overheating and AWD system also overheating (you can google it for more details). If I had to choose, the WRX would be my overall choice.
I actually took a gamble on the potenza race before any reviews came out and I love them. (2022 Veloster N)
Great comparison. I really appreciate how you guys focused on what's most important for cars, which is performance and comfort. So many other "youtubers" *ahem car salesmen* drone on and on about small insignificants such as the infotainment, LED lights, how nice the dashboard feels. How many people stroke their dashboards on a daily basis or really care what technology produces their turn signals? You guys do mention those things but in such a non-intrusive way, just the way it should be.
One thing that surprised me is how little power the GR Corolla made. On paper, it should blow the WRX away with 300hp but on the dyno it proved otherwise. Very interesting. Makes me wonder what the Civic type R would make on the same dyno.
Well it is faster to 60 by .5 to a full second based on testing. Also faster in the 1/4 mile by .5 a second. It’s mostly down to weight and power delivery.
Great video! Excellent tuxmat ad placement!
This reminds me of the Evo vs STi comparison of the 2003-2006 timeframe where one was more brutish, and one more edgy.
I keep hearing ppl compare the GRC to the STi hatch, but the hatch is really where the comparison stops. It delivers powers more like the EVO and I love it!
Having owned both an 05 STi and and 06 EVO 9 I traded the STi for the EVO and one was more a hatchet and the other more a scalpel in the way it delivered power and handling.
The musical was transcending 🤌
Gotta love a cover of Supermode's Tell Me Why!
The GRC is still sold at markup because many Toyota dealerships are awful. With that in mind, the WRX is the better buy. Toyota…fix your dealer network, please.
Depends on where you buy. I got zero markup.
You can get a GR Corolla for MSRP here in New Orleans.
@@cajunotaku3256How long is the wait?
@@ytj22 they had two on the lot and one in the showroom back in February for MSRP.
That was just when it debut in 2023. Now you can easily find one for msrp. I did.
These boys and redline reviews I find the best at reviews, straight to the point no fussing around, and straight to the point, honest opinion. If you want some entertainment then throttle house but these boys are number one followed by redline. Excellent video once again, well done
So the corrrola claims 300bhp and the wrx claims 271 bhp. The dyno says differently.
That’s the engine hp, dynos test how much is actually being delivered to the wheels
@RiptideOnTop I'm pretty sure he knows that therefore he said bhp, what he's trying to convey is Toyota is either over inflating their numbers or Subaru is underrating theirs, something ain't adding up.
Dyno graphs are available online and they confirm the manufacturer claimed power figures for both to be accurate.
Yaris GRMN would smoke all of these... You guys need to see what Rally drivers have been doing with the 2024 Yaris, they have been pulling off some really CRAZY times and even setting some new world record times for a lot of stages... It's crazy how that little shitbox performs in WRC!
The GR would be a great daily, but they seem to have a problem of burning down on the side of a highway, and Toyota doesn't seem interested in figuring out why, or warranty them because they went over 85 mph in the computer data. They resolve this issue it is a great value
If you look at the potential when you tune, the wrx blows everything out of the water. They made a brillant engine capable of excess of 600 horses. Just with stage 1, i believe you get up to almost 300 hp.
DO you know if you can safely raise the RPM to 7000rpm? 6000 is way too freaking low for me
Just wanted to thank you guys for the awesome videos. Keep up the amazing work!
Have never driven either, but know several men who owned WRX and modified them. They all moved on to the a Honda Civic STI or R whatever you call it. I'd go with the GR Corolla just because of Toyota build quality and long term reliability.
It only took Subaru 20 years to figure out proper tuning. Great review as usual
nah, they are made lean to save fuel. but the engines run a risk of overheating and breaking down prematurely. cold air intakes make it worse.
Thank you TuxMat! You've reunited we with my estranged father.
That was the first time I haven’t skipped an in-video advert. Nicely done
Excellent comparison. Subaru missed an opportunity here, not putting the STI trans/diffs in, and not running a track pad.
I chose the WRX: I got it when I wanted it, at invoice, with no haggling. And here's the kicker for me: I wanted great visibility, comfortable for 4 adults, AND capability. I can tune out the chassis later if I choose to race, or swap in an STI transmission. I can't make the car bigger, or less cramped. And that's what drove me away from the GRC to the WRX.
This is probably one of the best production video I've seen. I mean, the Hagerty videos with Jason Cammisa are astonishing but review wise, you guys are the best out there.
You guys have quickly become one of my favorite TH-cam pages! Appreciate all you do!
The Tuxmat portion was brilliant, lol!
Got some tuxmats for my 02 S2000 thanks to yall. Sadly, there are zero solutions to replace the OEM carpet.
I own a VB and have driven a GR on track and on the road. My take: if it's a track car GR all day. if it's your daily, the WRX is unquestionably the better choice
Someone nominate this distinguished, esteemed gentlemen for a Grammy, please
Only SG can make embedded sponsor plugs as entertaining as the rest of the video. Brilliant!
TuxMats are officially the DBrand from the car world! Every channel has a funny skit for them!
god damn that green corolla looks amazing
IIRC, it's a wrap.
@@billiam247 it still looks good what’s your point
@@Toyota4Life never said it didn't look good. If someone didn't know that's not a factory color they'd be very disappointed if they were ready to stroll into their local Toyota dealership looking for a green GR Corolla.
What's your point, jagoff?
Keep going you two 😂
About the only positive it seems to these guys
About a month ago you dish out the Aprils Fools thing... and now we have this Tux mat ad.
Excellent work. Appreciate the length you go to for these bits.
Thanks for this comparison match up. I always check your reviews before purchasing because you guys are no BS straight shooters. Luckily for us you add humor especially for advertising. The Tuxmats was truly a gem with the song! Thanks Savagegeese!
We traded our '18 Civic SI with 82k miles for a '23 base WRX and we paid 29k and got 16k for the Civic. I absolutely love the WRX, the fa24f is extremely smooth, it's a blast to launch, great visibility, spacious enough for the family and it handles very well. The MPG isn't anywhere as good as the Civic SI, but otherwise we are very happy.
Just got my ‘24 Limited. I’m a pretty new manual driver, how do you launch it?
@g78912 I would recommend starting at 3k RPM, getting used to slipping the clutch while feeding the gas, and then gradually going up by 500 RPM. The hardest I have launched my car was 5k RPM, and the redline comes up really fast. You can do 6k launches, but it will eventually damage your clutch and drive train. Good luck 👍!
This video has incredible production quality. I loved your old videos but these new videos are next level. Big props to you guys.
"Hatchbacks don't sell well" is from Subaru's experience from YEARS back. Times have drastically changed, where nowadays, sedans don't sell well, while performance hatchbacks (Honda CTR, Golf-R, GR Corolla) sell like hotcakes. Subaru screwed up badly by introducing the new WRX as a sedan.
That Tuxmat commercial was Old Spice levels of hilarious
Arby's marketing team needs to give you a call.
Watching one of the your videos for the first in a long time and coming across this TuxMat and Arby's commercial is hilarious.
Absolutely love my GR. The shifter feel is amazing. Like it better than my 2020 911 manual 🔥
Finally, the video we needed. TR is still just a perf package. It needed a better tune, because the engine is so under-tuned it's ridiculous. And I would agree with that initial statement, the Corolla GR is a real hot hatch, where the WRX is a slightly sportified sedan. I own a VB WRX, but have owned a lot of hot hatches in England and the USA.. so the GR is just natural territory for me in what I see them achieving. Long story short VB is warm sedan, whilst GR is a hot hatch.
In this comparison, it all comes down to which car has the TuxMats.
That shot at 4:20 was pretty amazing….despite the satire….those geese flying in front of the goose….amazing
"two pounds of beef and cheddar"
Well my day is made
I freaking love my GRC. It's my first new car. The only car I've ever had payments on. I can afford it. A financial adviser would probably tell me to sell it. But I love it. It doesn't have armrests. I can't fit a water bottle anywhere. The glove box doesn't lock. But it's a freaking awd manual hatchback. I can rip the handbrake and lock the rear tires. The engine revs. I have to remind myself to be quiet driving home late at night and not idle the car because I don't want my neighbors to hate me. The car just grips. I have yet to reach the limit of grip on a public road in the dry. It just grips the road and accelerates out of corners. Haven't overheated the diff pounding back roads. The visibility sucks. Your seating position is like a school bus. But the sound of the blow off valve just makes me happy.
It has max 12 lb boost, but after 2 years, I can tell you that except in 1rst gear, it rarely boosts over about 9 lbs. It sucks when pulling in 3rd/4th/5th because it never maxes out the power. I would get a tune to fix that, but what's the point? Just trade it in for a BMW or something else already properly tuned.
I'll watch an SUV review from these guys because they're that good. But this comparison is right up my alley so I was surprised that the tuxmat ad was even better than the comparison 👏
So it’s hard to want either of these. I’m glad I have an MX-5. I just want another 50hp.
50 hp without more tires, suspension and break tuning will just lead to spoiled balance on such a fine car as mx5 is…
@@David_Journey out of the box the MX-5 needs help. It was dancing around on the highway with a poor stock alignment and the body roll was comical. I’ve already put a new set of springs, lowered it a couple inches, added adjustable dampers on it, and changed the alignment to a tighter response. It does really beg for just a bit more mid-range torque. The brakes are great after some different pads and fluid. No big break kit is needed unless you track it. Tires on a car like this are already very good. Perhaps going an inch wider is all you really need. People supercharge the engine all the time and don’t have to make major modifications. I just think it just needs about 230hp and it would be in the sweet spot any more and it’s overpowered.
@@AmericanDuck that body roll is welcome on real world back roads with potholes and imperfection. It is a perfect daily driver
@@David_Journey yes I already know how it drove stock. I own the car. I live in San Diego and it’s full of canyon back roads and sketchy surfaces. I daily my car and do runs with my Miata club. So it lives a full life. I’m telling you now that in stock form it needs some minor adjustments to make it better. That body roll is scary in some corners and the shocks are way too soft. You can pitch the car into oversteer very easily on a double S curve. The car is under sprung. If you don’t drive on very curvy roads and drive on well maintained roads like at less than 50% then stock is a peach, except on the highway. Stock alignment provides an unsteady amount of play in the wheel and it tends to feel a bit darty above 60mph. Especially concrete freeway. If you drive with any kind of spirit, then you need it more focused. It only took about $2k installed to make it drive so much better and there is zero body roll. It’s like a go-cart and it soaks up bumpy pavement much better with some quality dampers like the Konis I have installed that only takes a few moments to set from racing to smooth before you go driving. In stock form, the body roll is there so you get the feeling of speed without actually going fast. I guess we will call it personal preference. I do guarantee that with equal tires I will outpace any stock Miata and feel less stress doing it. Now that extra HP I’m asking for would be great with a club edition and some actual stiffer springs.
Driving a GR Corolla to Björk is just what I needed to see.
Considering the dyno numbers, Subaru is basically marketing the whp for the WRX?? That's interesting.
Not at all. Pretty sure they showed the wrx crank hp. Plenty of other dyno runs online show 210-220 wheel hp on the wrx/wrx tr (same engine and trans either way) wrx can't even beat a fwd Elantra N off the line and I've beat plenty with an elantra N. But I couldn't beat a gr corolla for shit. Only time I was able to win against one was at the drag strip with radials.
@@ViaticalGenie4 How come the GRC's was much lower then? With it being 300 hp on paper the 262 made sense to the wheel.
@@ViaticalGenie4Elantra N is underated from the factory and is 100 lbs lighter than the lightest WRX trim. Its no surprise its quicker. Then again, you have to factor in price difference. I got my 23' base WRX for $28,500 OTD while the EN would realistically be around 35-37K OTD (state dependant)
@alamsas2 yes that does. I'm pretty sure these guys are biased. The whole time they were acting like subarus are impressive. They're horrible. I've owned a few and the only time I enjoyed them was in the snow. Track days were garbage. Upgraded brakes and coilovers helped but I'd rather drive a truck around a track.
@@ViaticalGenie4 Elantra N could be a better track car, just hope it's not your daily, because the dealer service sucks so bad, you won't get it back for weeks. They never offer a rental either.
Thank you for providing some of the best automotive content on a platform where I can watch it for free. Props
That tux mats promo is the first time in my life I've ever thrown up from a youtube video. Impressive. Truly breathtaking...
I love my 2022 wrx. Great video. I suggest test driving both of them. Heads up seeing a VB in person is much different than pictures or videos
Great work! Have a set of Tuxmat, work great in the Rustbelt. On the side not: I am surprised SG hasn't reviewed Alfa Romeo Stelvio (quick review of Guilia was done 6-7 years ago). To me it seems like a car/SUV SG always talks about. Affordable, practical, fun. A used low mileage is in high 20s - lows 30s. A great looking vehicle that is not perfect but has a personality and is fun to drive. Reliability is not an issue at all.
That brand has no resouces here at least in midwest. So they never have cars sadly. Otherwise we would do it.
Awesome video, as always. I especially like that I have driven these cars and know people who own them, and they are within reach. It's fun to see "exotics" tested but really appreciate the more affordable cars being tested as well.
The savagegeese leader board is very impressive 👏
Thank you for pointing out that $40K+ is "a lot of money". I get tired of hearing reviewers talking about this kind of money like it's trivial. I'll have to check the specs to see what the lower trim levels of the WRX lose, in terms of "go fast" goodies. I'm just glad that they are still putting some fun cars out there. Nice job on the reviews!
I have a 2021 WRX and just about all the points about the VB are the reason I won't be trading in for a VB. The character of the FA20 is similar to the 1.6 in the GR, peaky boost and stronger torque hit makes it more aggressive at corner exit without having to be in higher RPM. Other than the brakes, every other issue is a cost that is incurred no matter what. I've already rebuilt all the shifter components, new billet short throw shift plate, solid bushings and shift stops, slightly stiffer suspension components. With a slightly better intercooler and a very mild tune the VA WRX is incredibly competent and I spent a fraction of the cost of a TR. Also I'll take the older infotainment in the previous gen to the horrid system Subaru is using in everything now.
Why would you trade in a late MY VA for a VB anyway? Your car is only 3 years old.
@@enmass90 you keep max trade in value if you trade in while miles are still low and it's still relatively new.
@@PsychoCPU Yeah but the depreciation curve is steepest within the first 3-5 years. Especially when you consider the tacked on costs comprised of taxes and fees.
If you would like to swap cars relatively often it may make more sense to lease if you can get a low money factor. You won’t get the full brunt of taxes and you’ll know exactly how much depreciation you’ll be paying for up front.
TR doesnt make sense at its price. Luckily, most dealers are selling below MSRP so that helps. WRXs only makes sense in lower trims imo. My base infotainment has literally never gave me issues but I admit the VA interior layout is more cohesive
Seriously…that Tuxxmats ad was awesome and I will buy from them because of it. Done.
TR is too expensive for the stock performance. You'd be better off buying a base and upgrading it if you don't want a hatch
Agreed. The vb has quite a bit of headroom to grow from
The bottom line is Toyota dealerships ripping off customers = WRX BUY. Wait til next gen GR and hopefully Toyota dealerships stop the nonsense.
Honestly, that tuxmat ad was an A+ transition
Great review, first one I see with an audio testing inside the car
That Tuxmat ad was awesome! Love this channel.
Just swapped out my Michelin 4s’s for a set of Bridgestone Re003s. Cannot believe how good they are! Grip is incredible, it feels sharper and it’s also quieter than the Michelins.
That Tuxmat segment was truly an immersive experience!