It's the damnedest thing. Every time I'm trying to S rank Valley of the Dolls, my game glitches. It turns my beanbag shotgun into an SA58, but only when I'm arresting Voll....
For S rank in Ready or Not, it's not just that you can't kill anyone. You can't have ANY casualties. So if an enemy is shooting at you and kills another enemy or civilian, no S rank for you. I love the beanbag shotgun, but end up restarting about 5% of my matches for killing someone.
RoN is missing still the SWAT4 Behaviour of Suspects. They had different behaviours and accuracy depending on their skill level and would comply easier. A Car robber that gets caught would behave differant to a secret service agent. The would yell things like: "i am not dying for that". There was a mission where a botched bank robbery ended in a retirement home and the robbers had no clue on how to use the guns, squatting down and shooting like rambo. Also the time a suspect is stunned was determined on distance to a grenade, protections against it, armour class and if they are on drugs. So the Beanbag was more or less effective and not needed all the time. It was possible to get a good score without having to resort to LL Weapons. There is not enough depth now as there was in SWAT 4. Swat 3 was even more impressive in the way subject behaved.
The actual reason the beanbag shotgun is the best weapon to get S rank with is, it's a shotgun. And anytime you get to use a shotgun is always a good time.
Hey there! Comp shooter here. Was at a range once to rent some guns, guy was using beanbag rounds (not allowed) and when we left same guy was in the parking lot. We gave him 15 bucks, he gave us 5 rounds of beanbag. We go home to our home range to test them, and we used a double barrel. It works a little strange, but seems about the same as a standard pump-action.
@yellowsaurus4895 depends how you set it up. I personally mod the game myself so it doesn't detect my mods since they don't go in the mod folder and instead mod the game itself. It's a messy way to do it because reverting involves having backups but it keeps the score and I don't abuse it because we'll that would be boring. I always found having that score save was a nice feature and I shouldn't be punished for playing the game more realistically
I used to have AI team carry the beanbag shotgun, but too many times (for me) happened that they killed the suspect on close range shooting. NIce video mate! Love your content, are you going to make a tier list for rifles anytime soon??
give the ai the vks heavy armor and gas and give yourself light or heavy depending on your pref beanbag shotty and gasses and wedges then you can s every map in the game in less than 25 minutes
I would like to point out that the only non-lethal in RoN that has a coded 100% compliance rate is the taser. You need to have these for some suspects, especially the bomb vest guys on Neon Tomb, they can have resistance to both beanbag and CS making them never surrender to either.
There was a run where it was just me and all 4 AI spamming a suicide bomber for 5 straight minutes with pepper ball. Eventually we got him to surrender, and it was pretty funny.
The red lady in the cult level refused to surrender even under pepper spray, cs gas, bashes, and multiple tases for at least a full minute. A bean bag then knocked her to the floor and she then surrendered.
@@FriendOxygen625 Reading comprehension my friend. The American school system has failed you. I did not say it works 100% of the time. I said it is the only non lethal that is coded with 100% compliance. So when it works, it stops them.
One thing I find frustrating is that the SWAT ai tries to shoot through walls and other forms of cover with less lethal weapons. With the pepperball guns, especially the one with 12 shot capacity, it gets them killed a LOT! They'll spot a suspect, move behind cover while magdumping the wall and get themselves wallbanged in the process, killed while reloading, or use their pistol to potentially kill your S rating. The ai needs some fine tuning for less lethal options. It's funny if they have no mask and try to shoot through a wall with pepperballs and start choking on their own rounds.
I very much agree. It's unnecessarily restrictive gameplay wise and creates this " Orange Shotty S rank meta " crap I've been seeing all over YT RON gameplay channels.
I think that is actually the point. A lot of people always expect the police to non-lethally takedown the criminals and save the day like some god damn superhero, hence S-rank for being flawless miracle police. Though for some cosmetics unlocks as they requires S-rank, they probably should reduce the requirement to A+ and also extra achievement for A+.
@@thegrayseed2792 100% agree with all but one thing. The flowery tourist shirt should remain as an item that requires S ranking valley of the dolls lol!
Hotline Miami soundtracks usually go along well with situations like these, lol. Amazing video, as usual! And I agree this game has a weird logic on keeping armed suspects alive just to keep higher ranks (and unlockable stuff + every evidence item in the locker room).
I will point out that even aiming for the lower torso with the beanbags seems to produce inconsistent results with several AI enemies. Been working with a friend to S rank Greased Palms, and we’ve had several instances of hitting enemies 2-3 times within melee range of some shooters, and all we’re rewarded with is a full auto blast to the face. They need to make sure that beanbags *consistently* stagger enemies, putting emphasis on needing more if the situation requires it.
Yep, you have lethal cover just in case. I forgot what state this was but there was a guy who ate like 10 beanbags or so and still kept his knife in his hand. I think the pain resistance from drugs can play a huge role in whether or not they're effective. But I will say it's annoying in game when they end up taking the hit and keep fighting though. Guess luck has more to do with it.
I think the ranking system needs re-doing so you can achieve S rank whilst using lethal. There’s been too many times where I’ve been shooting non/less lethal at suspects, with no effect, who are going full auto, killing me or my team mates. You should be able to switch to lethal and neutralise a suspect who is trying to kill you, and still achieve S rank. In the current state, it feels like the game punishes you for using lethal force. Which is insane considering the cracked John wick suspect AI that we have to deal with.
The enemy: Fully equipped ex-Navy Seal, SAS, GIGN with performance enhancing drugs. Your weapon: 100$ airsoft gun from Walmart and pepper shaker from your mom's kitchen.
Oh absolutely the game does not respect the player going for S rank for how unrealistically react in speed and accuracy. At best, that should be some of the rarest suspects with very clear and intense training to react and shoot that fast. Not some streamer's gangoons helping run a crypto farm. It really feels like how cracked the AI is at all times is at odds with the messaging of "Stop the killing, even by your own hand". Much less when I do my absolute damndest to avoid killing suspects by only using single fire to disable someone with a 5.56 rifle. To try shooting their hand and shouting in hopes their mind is overcome with fear and pain that they just surrender. To actually live another day. Please do yourself a favor, guy called SkebbZ put a rebalance mod on Nexus Mods. Makes it viable to do LTL and I can attest to doing Valley of Dolls as a one-person element at S rank with it on.
@@AnteaK Make the AI more lax and I'd agree with the sentiment. Your asking for perfection against AI that reacts near instantly, with high accuracy, and with high rate-of-fire weapons. Seriously I do think the S-rank should be based around nobody dies. Because its not a Milsim.
I mainly used the beanbag shotgun to achieve S rank on every map. To me, one of the most difficult maps was Valley of the Dolls. There's just so much glass and windows. I really think they should make the beanbag capable of shattering glass. That would help a _lot._ I ended up using a silenced 5-7 to just shoot out most windows preemptively in order for my pepperball squad to be able to actually shoot the enemy. Greased Palms and Relapse also gave me a lot of trouble. But getting that sweet achievement for S ranking all the maps felt *damn* good, I gotta say. Also the beanbag shotung to me is sooo much more fun to use, compared to the pepperball weaponry. It's still got that sweet pump-action oomph, sans the involuntary amputations. Great fucking game. I'm really glad, they're not gonna stop working on it anytime soon. Great video, thank you so much 🙂
Majority of the time I use the beanbag or one of the pump shotties (gotta love the Winchester 1897 replacement mod) alongside the .357. It's incredibly satisfying, even managed to get S rank whilst being the only one on our team using less lethal!
I JUST ran a mission with the beanbag and was freaking out wondering how I killed someone with a beanbag. What you said reminded me that there was a BIG difference between NON-LETHAL and LESS LETHAL.
1:15, funny you say that, me and a friend were playing the game the other night on the "Sins of the father" level, I chose a MCX and he chose a TPL pepper ball gun. So were half-way through the level-checking corners and all that-When a guy full sprint with an assault rifle starts running and gunning my buddy; so as expected he shoots the guy in the face with the gun and the guy weirdly enough drops instantly like he was shot in the face with an automatic, so we walk over and the guy is dead on the ground. We were so confused on how he killed a guy with a pepper ball gun, guess those are the quirks of the game sometime.
nice work! I agree, less recoil would be better and before 1.0, intercaptated suspects would still give s rank, so i find it silly that they changed that. For VIP suspects, i can imagine non/less lethal means but active shooter/terrorist, it just looks silly here. me, i mostly use it firstly for the unlockable evidence and...moral
When I am with the AI Buddys on the hunt for the sweet S rank, i use a pepperball gun or beanbag and a lot of CS grenades. 2 AIs with pepperballs and 2 with beanbags. And NO ammo for pistols...
In the SWAT show, I've seen a shotgun that shoots taser rounds (I think?) a few times. It's Hollywood, so I can't say how realistic or practical it is, but it could work in RoN.
Taser shotgun rounds were trialled for law enforcement as a real thing. The reason they haven’t been adopted is ultimately the cost it would have brung.
I had a glitch trying to S rank, where the AI would at random pull out their pistol and murder someone. I took away all the pistol ammo for my element and they just keep bringing it somehow. So Id have a perfect run, just to look over and see one of my officers execute someone. It was at complete random too! They would be good for a few missions and then suddenly go sicko mode
I winged a lucky 40ish yard headshot with the beanbag shotgun....which was both incredibly impressive and immensely annoying because it was the last suspect in an otherwise clean S rank run.
Great video, please make a ranking video on AR's next, or like I believe it's called tactical equipment like the shield. Great job can't wait to see your next video.
He was talking about in-game, the taser is 100% non-lethal and the only non-lethat/LTL to have a 100% compliance. Some suspects, especially the bomb vest guys in Neon Tomb have resistance to both Beanbags and CS gas and will not surrender unless you taser them. If you take into account real life, some people are allergic to CS gas and will die from inhaling it, so even it is lethal in some cases.
I've fired HV star non-lethal rounds out of an over-under. Over-under's, aka double barrels have quick follow up shots buts two shots is a poor decision if your life depends on it. Also, their kick is so small you really don't notice it. They are effective to *35 yards* but in reality their accuracy is so bad you wouldn't take the shot past 25 yards.
the funny thing is the 3 guys in the forest house all wear gas mask, but tear gaz grenade still works, I had trouble dealing with them non lethal until I learn that trick
I don't really mind the game expecting you to not kill anyone to get the highest rank, I just think it's kind of bullshit that all my officers quit or have to go to therapy after 2 missions if I don't try to save everyone.
Honest, to god. As someone who tested out being shot by a beanbag shotgun at the torso. Its a miracle that the suspects getting shot by it doesn't fall down at the pain cause fuck. The pain doesn't go away for days.
They should REALLY make some options for us virtual cops who prefer more "drastic" solutions to earn Ranks. Arent three headshots in a row a nice feat? Even Unreal tournament have it. Another thing i like to see are double-jump. Also some ammo and powerups spread around would be nice And.. while im on it, some monsters, or even aliens as enemies would be golden. One get bored only terminating humans. Oh one last thing. Character should move WAY faster. As it is now it is almost impossible strafe away from bullets
Okay this explains why I sometimes find dead suspects on my S rank grinds. Unfortunate that I won't be able to compensate for my shit shot placement and nerves with firerate but I really hate when it's not my fault for failing
@@trustworthydan No the reason was either crossfire, enemy fire, or (probably) my AI doming with beanbags, I have always been using pepperballs in my less-lethal loadout for spam and irritant. I already admitted to not being very good and implied I would change how I do non-lethal runs, so I kinda fail to see how I'm not taking responsibility
I'm still waiting of the video about assault rifles to know which one to use. (to be fair I'm just having a blast using the P90 and I don't want to use anything else)
The way i play to take the S with Beanbag or Peppergun is getting alot of flashgrenades when i run out of them is when i truly panic and yes i killed some with the Beanbag, but the pepper is not consistent and sometimes they run away and find cover to keep shooting. Nvm no lethal runs are truly a horror game.
Beanbags still have two more flaws in RoN from my experience: They can't break windows, but they can crack skulls and destroy fire extinguishers. This is an EXTREMELY important thing on some maps (Valley of the Dolls, The Hospital map, etc) If a suspect wears a helmet - they will still get killed from a headshot. Take Mindjot security for example, they all wear helmets but still die from a single angled shot in the protected area. The same goes for gas masks.
well tbf, the concussive force of something solid SLAMMING into your head, regardless if its that object or the energy transfering through the helmet to your head, is enormous. Your head and neck are still being rocketed back from the impact of the bag. so while a helmet probs does actually help. it still has a chance to drop you.
@@arctic4299 My problem with this is not that it kills suspects when shot in the head overall, but the fact that beanbags can't break glass while they kill suspects that wear helmets, not even incapacitate.
I hit a perp with 2 JHP from the pistol and he was still standing and writhing in pain with the weapon in hand so I gave him a 3rd shot which dropped him and the game penalized me for it 😆 Unauthorized use of force it said. I'm like WTF
beanbag shots to the head ragdolls enemies, but they stay alive if you didn't damage them earlier. At least before 1.0 released. Not sure now because I haven't used it. Makes it the best weapon for non-lethal because you don't need to wait for compliance, you can just cuff them
1:17 In real life you can kill someone’s with a taser. there have been incidents where suspects covered in flammable liquids or flammable vapors were set aflame by tasers
I think beanbag shotguns should be a type of equipment rather than a primary weapon, same with rhe pepper gun. I get that they exist and are used but thinking of the majority of the missions in RoN, its just not realistic that an Officer would take one rather than a proper weapon.
I was a little sad to learn how little are less-lethal and non-lethal options used by law enforcement. It's really a sad reality. I mean imagine if all police officers could wield weapons that were non-lethal but just as effective. Criminology studies have been showing that criminals only care about chances of getting caught _alive_ *and* if they face consequences. Death penalty for stealing -> more stealing. Death penalty for stealing but officers just let you go because they know you'll get the death penalty and don't want to do the paperwork -> habitual stealing by everyone as a way of life, criminals laughing while they're getting arrested. 1 day of jailtime for stealing but there is a 100% chance you get caught and have to give back what you stole -> only complete psychopaths attempt stealing. Do crimes but die before getting caught -> psychopaths don't care.
so the issue is a lot of the time in real life less-lethal just doesnt work and if there is multiple cops on scene at least one is carrying/holding some kind of less-lethal if its a beanbag shotgun or 40mm but if that suspect raises a gun at a civ or officer they aren't gonna hope that the less-lethal works they are gonna do what ever they know will work and that's lethal. in a perfect world there wouldn't be crime but less-lethal would always work and you wouldn't need to be as worried but CS gas/Pepperballs/pepper spray doesnt work on everyone, tasers dont work if you have thick clothes or they just dont attach. beanbags works if the person isnt on drugs. and officers cant just aim at less-lethal spots with their firearm cause the less-lethal spots are often smaller and thinner making a larger chance of missing and possible hitting something/someone beyond the target
@@abominablesnowman646 Yes, exactly! I thought about this a lot since. I am dumbfounded and sad I can't think of a single even compromise solution. It just sucks all around. Nothing but better crime policies and making sure people have means + addressing extreme inequality in close proximity
@@MenkoDany The issue isn't that they can't think of a solution, it's that anything NON-LETHAL won't stop a guy from harming a civ he is pointing a weapon at 100% of the time. Cops can't exactly care if the guy with a handgun ends up dead, if the other option is a random civ, or another officer ending up dead when that taser fails to make contact, or a beanbag shotgun round doesn't flinch them.
Doesn't really get used irl anyway. I read somewhere that the cost per round was about 150 USD. The juice wasn't worth the squeeze for an unnecessarily bulky taser. The current pistol format of tasers is far more practical.
@@civilianuseonly True. I was once believe that giving them at least 1 magazine for the handgun for their safety sake. Until, they started going gung-ho as soon as they finished mag dump their primary weapons.
The games expectations are just the expectations the media and the judicial system has for the police in brazil lmao... You call call Ready or Not "the brazilian experience". (If you want to make it a challenge, equip the Beretta with no mods, no armor, no gadgets and 1 squad mate at max & try to get an S rank. If you fail to do so you will be put on unapayed leave and have a 50% chance of getting your life ruined.)
0:57 uhmmmm no i’ve killed people with the pepper ball gun before albeit funny at the moment, very annoying when it happened again at the end of my s tier attempt of that stupid hospital map
what is the point of S rank? its stupid and doesn't make sense. what law enforcement agency would roll into a hospital or night club being shot up by terrorists with only a couple guys armed with bean bag shotguns? one of the many reasons RoN is completely lacking in realism
@@civilianuseonly strange... I still have those text lines even after the 1.0 Was hoping you could enlighten me on how to remove it. But hey, really cool video regardless. Keep up the great work!❤️
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It's the damnedest thing. Every time I'm trying to S rank Valley of the Dolls, my game glitches. It turns my beanbag shotgun into an SA58, but only when I'm arresting Voll....
Weird, I seem to get the same glitch
After slogging through hours of trying to get Valley S rank with my duo, we came back afterwards with an mp7 and the 1301 and left no witnesses
@@FriendOxygen625Based approach to the mansion
Yeah there is also this werid glitch where everyone involved suddenly has their face explode... werid...
thats weird, my beanbag shotgun keeps emptying itself into his groin. every remaining round. *shrug* wierd
For S rank in Ready or Not, it's not just that you can't kill anyone. You can't have ANY casualties. So if an enemy is shooting at you and kills another enemy or civilian, no S rank for you.
I love the beanbag shotgun, but end up restarting about 5% of my matches for killing someone.
Also you can incapacitate all suspects and still get S rank
Edit: only before 1.0. After the update, you can't do it anymore
The beanbag neck breaker annoys the hell out of me
didnt they remove that in the new update?@@Jayalen
@@chiefkeefgaming2005 I don't think so.
@@Jayalen You are incorrect. Any form of dead/incap is only 5 points, as compared to an arrest, which is 35.
RoN is missing still the SWAT4 Behaviour of Suspects. They had different behaviours and accuracy depending on their skill level and would comply easier. A Car robber that gets caught would behave differant to a secret service agent. The would yell things like: "i am not dying for that". There was a mission where a botched bank robbery ended in a retirement home and the robbers had no clue on how to use the guns, squatting down and shooting like rambo.
Also the time a suspect is stunned was determined on distance to a grenade, protections against it, armour class and if they are on drugs. So the Beanbag was more or less effective and not needed all the time. It was possible to get a good score without having to resort to LL Weapons. There is not enough depth now as there was in SWAT 4. Swat 3 was even more impressive in the way subject behaved.
In lore, most criminals have some form of firearms training. Any security guards or body guards are ex military or ex law enforcement.
@@jeremy5602 No shot the kids robbing the gas station or the meth fiends or the kids with the bitcoin farm have "firearms training" come on now.
@@jeremy5602 firearms training wont give u wallhack and 100ms reaction time .Its just inhumane
Suspect reaction times in RoN too fast, also S4 suspects retreated more.
classic case of modern games, visuals are amazing but have the depth of a bottle of water
The actual reason the beanbag shotgun is the best weapon to get S rank with is, it's a shotgun. And anytime you get to use a shotgun is always a good time.
Except it's not using 12 gauge
@@Jayalen You misspelled buckshot.
Hey there! Comp shooter here. Was at a range once to rent some guns, guy was using beanbag rounds (not allowed) and when we left same guy was in the parking lot. We gave him 15 bucks, he gave us 5 rounds of beanbag. We go home to our home range to test them, and we used a double barrel. It works a little strange, but seems about the same as a standard pump-action.
I remember when you used to be able to get s rank with lethal weapons too. I miss that
There's a mod for it somewhere
@@ConReesebut it wont save your score because the games knows you have a mod enabled, correct?
@yellowsaurus4895 depends how you set it up. I personally mod the game myself so it doesn't detect my mods since they don't go in the mod folder and instead mod the game itself. It's a messy way to do it because reverting involves having backups but it keeps the score and I don't abuse it because we'll that would be boring. I always found having that score save was a nice feature and I shouldn't be punished for playing the game more realistically
I also remember when you couldn't get an S rank if any officer in the squad was wounded even slightly ...
I do. If the suspect was injured, you could still get an S rank.
I used to have AI team carry the beanbag shotgun, but too many times (for me) happened that they killed the suspect on close range shooting. NIce video mate! Love your content, are you going to make a tier list for rifles anytime soon??
They might have aimed for the head. This is a "less" lethal weapon so if its aimed to head it can 1 shot almost everytime.
give the ai the vks heavy armor and gas and give yourself light or heavy depending on your pref beanbag shotty and gasses and wedges then you can s every map in the game in less than 25 minutes
Thanks! Coming soon
Or they switch to pistol 😅
It's normally me headshotting people with the branbag rather than the ai lol
I would like to point out that the only non-lethal in RoN that has a coded 100% compliance rate is the taser. You need to have these for some suspects, especially the bomb vest guys on Neon Tomb, they can have resistance to both beanbag and CS making them never surrender to either.
There was a run where it was just me and all 4 AI spamming a suicide bomber for 5 straight minutes with pepper ball. Eventually we got him to surrender, and it was pretty funny.
The red lady in the cult level refused to surrender even under pepper spray, cs gas, bashes, and multiple tases for at least a full minute.
A bean bag then knocked her to the floor and she then surrendered.
Just wish I could shield and taser since it operates as a secondary
LOL what? The taser fails all the fucking time.
@@FriendOxygen625 Reading comprehension my friend. The American school system has failed you. I did not say it works 100% of the time. I said it is the only non lethal that is coded with 100% compliance. So when it works, it stops them.
Super annoying that S ranks have to be done this way. I just dont find non lethal fun.
One thing I find frustrating is that the SWAT ai tries to shoot through walls and other forms of cover with less lethal weapons. With the pepperball guns, especially the one with 12 shot capacity, it gets them killed a LOT! They'll spot a suspect, move behind cover while magdumping the wall and get themselves wallbanged in the process, killed while reloading, or use their pistol to potentially kill your S rating. The ai needs some fine tuning for less lethal options. It's funny if they have no mask and try to shoot through a wall with pepperballs and start choking on their own rounds.
@@CoralTheMihn The AI are immune to CS Gas and flashbangs, even their own. Equip them with ballistic masks and be GG.
I very much agree. It's unnecessarily restrictive gameplay wise and creates this " Orange Shotty S rank meta " crap I've been seeing all over YT RON gameplay channels.
I think that is actually the point.
A lot of people always expect the police to non-lethally takedown the criminals and save the day like some god damn superhero, hence S-rank for being flawless miracle police.
Though for some cosmetics unlocks as they requires S-rank, they probably should reduce the requirement to A+ and also extra achievement for A+.
@@thegrayseed2792 100% agree with all but one thing. The flowery tourist shirt should remain as an item that requires S ranking valley of the dolls lol!
Beanbag Shotgun + Flashbangs + Stingers + Tazer = Pacifist SWAT
Riot team SWAT!
All the satisfaction from a pump action without the mess.
Hotline Miami soundtracks usually go along well with situations like these, lol. Amazing video, as usual! And I agree this game has a weird logic on keeping armed suspects alive just to keep higher ranks (and unlockable stuff + every evidence item in the locker room).
I will point out that even aiming for the lower torso with the beanbags seems to produce inconsistent results with several AI enemies.
Been working with a friend to S rank Greased Palms, and we’ve had several instances of hitting enemies 2-3 times within melee range of some shooters, and all we’re rewarded with is a full auto blast to the face.
They need to make sure that beanbags *consistently* stagger enemies, putting emphasis on needing more if the situation requires it.
Well to be fair real bean bag doesn't work sometime, that is why officers always have a firearms nearby.
Yep, you have lethal cover just in case. I forgot what state this was but there was a guy who ate like 10 beanbags or so and still kept his knife in his hand. I think the pain resistance from drugs can play a huge role in whether or not they're effective.
But I will say it's annoying in game when they end up taking the hit and keep fighting though. Guess luck has more to do with it.
@@pongsatonrattanapriyanuch7331exactly, that's why current S rank conditions are idiotic. Babysitting a bunch of armed terrorists makes zero sense...
I wanna say that you got fucked by hit reg over the beanbag. A beanbag hit should always stun
@@Leo-ym5xnagreed, that condition should only apply for civs and hvt
I think the ranking system needs re-doing so you can achieve S rank whilst using lethal.
There’s been too many times where I’ve been shooting non/less lethal at suspects, with no effect, who are going full auto, killing me or my team mates.
You should be able to switch to lethal and neutralise a suspect who is trying to kill you, and still achieve S rank.
In the current state, it feels like the game punishes you for using lethal force. Which is insane considering the cracked John wick suspect AI that we have to deal with.
The enemy: Fully equipped ex-Navy Seal, SAS, GIGN with performance enhancing drugs.
Your weapon: 100$ airsoft gun from Walmart and pepper shaker from your mom's kitchen.
Stop the killing, Stop the dying. S rank should be that hard to achieve.
@@AnteaKStop the wallhacking, Stop the aimbotting.
Oh absolutely the game does not respect the player going for S rank for how unrealistically react in speed and accuracy. At best, that should be some of the rarest suspects with very clear and intense training to react and shoot that fast. Not some streamer's gangoons helping run a crypto farm.
It really feels like how cracked the AI is at all times is at odds with the messaging of "Stop the killing, even by your own hand". Much less when I do my absolute damndest to avoid killing suspects by only using single fire to disable someone with a 5.56 rifle. To try shooting their hand and shouting in hopes their mind is overcome with fear and pain that they just surrender. To actually live another day.
Please do yourself a favor, guy called SkebbZ put a rebalance mod on Nexus Mods. Makes it viable to do LTL and I can attest to doing Valley of Dolls as a one-person element at S rank with it on.
@@AnteaK Make the AI more lax and I'd agree with the sentiment. Your asking for perfection against AI that reacts near instantly, with high accuracy, and with high rate-of-fire weapons.
Seriously I do think the S-rank should be based around nobody dies. Because its not a Milsim.
I mainly used the beanbag shotgun to achieve S rank on every map. To me, one of the most difficult maps was Valley of the Dolls. There's just so much glass and windows. I really think they should make the beanbag capable of shattering glass. That would help a _lot._ I ended up using a silenced 5-7 to just shoot out most windows preemptively in order for my pepperball squad to be able to actually shoot the enemy. Greased Palms and Relapse also gave me a lot of trouble. But getting that sweet achievement for S ranking all the maps felt *damn* good, I gotta say. Also the beanbag shotung to me is sooo much more fun to use, compared to the pepperball weaponry. It's still got that sweet pump-action oomph, sans the involuntary amputations. Great fucking game. I'm really glad, they're not gonna stop working on it anytime soon. Great video, thank you so much 🙂
just bash the glass or use a pistol
You can also fire bean bags out of inertia operated semi-auto shotgun
INERTIA DRIFT
Majority of the time I use the beanbag or one of the pump shotties (gotta love the Winchester 1897 replacement mod) alongside the .357. It's incredibly satisfying, even managed to get S rank whilst being the only one on our team using less lethal!
I JUST ran a mission with the beanbag and was freaking out wondering how I killed someone with a beanbag. What you said reminded me that there was a BIG difference between NON-LETHAL and LESS LETHAL.
1:15, funny you say that, me and a friend were playing the game the other night on the "Sins of the father" level, I chose a MCX and he chose a TPL pepper ball gun. So were half-way through the level-checking corners and all that-When a guy full sprint with an assault rifle starts running and gunning my buddy; so as expected he shoots the guy in the face with the gun and the guy weirdly enough drops instantly like he was shot in the face with an automatic, so we walk over and the guy is dead on the ground. We were so confused on how he killed a guy with a pepper ball gun, guess those are the quirks of the game sometime.
Hopefully that's a bug - can imagine that getting very annoying on S rank attempts
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nice work! I agree, less recoil would be better and before 1.0, intercaptated suspects would still give s rank, so i find it silly that they changed that. For VIP suspects, i can imagine non/less lethal means but active shooter/terrorist, it just looks silly here. me, i mostly use it firstly for the unlockable evidence and...moral
Its currently 2 am and Im lovin' the shotgun noises
I like to use the pepper ball in smaller maps because there is a aoe when you shoot so you can get people to surrender around a corner
When I am with the AI Buddys on the hunt for the sweet S rank, i use a pepperball gun or beanbag and a lot of CS grenades. 2 AIs with pepperballs and 2 with beanbags.
And NO ammo for pistols...
CS is great for controlling large areas.
switch the pistol to JHP. I often find that helps.
In the SWAT show, I've seen a shotgun that shoots taser rounds (I think?) a few times. It's Hollywood, so I can't say how realistic or practical it is, but it could work in RoN.
Taser shotgun rounds were trialled for law enforcement as a real thing. The reason they haven’t been adopted is ultimately the cost it would have brung.
Sounds like the Taser XREP I think
It was a taser shotgun
@@TheTber123 Thanks for replying! I found a video about it so I'll check that out.
@@chinganeer2337 Also there were some issues with the ammo they couldn't seem to work out IIRC.
I love non lethal runs, idk its just feels more rewarding with the extra challenge
This Shotgun was my go to for s ranks run. I got the all maps on S after many tries.
Ah yes. The greatest part of any run, Drip or Not.
Tranquilizer dart mosin nagan when ?
"Foolish boy, take this" BAM
I'd use it.
Metal Gear Solid: Sake Eater? xD
i wasnt expecting the hotline miami music to come up at 6:40
Excellent analysis. Almost no recoil is apparent in a beanbag shotgun.
Integral lights are so sexy. 870MCS, MP5, simply chef kiss
luckily with a recent hotfix they patched swat team from killing npc's with non lethal.
0:53 there’s actually one or two pepperball rifles, they’re pretty fun to use as well
It’s the only LESS LETHAL. Pepperball guns have really minimal chances of killing, and they can’t in this game, making them Non Lethal
I had a glitch trying to S rank, where the AI would at random pull out their pistol and murder someone. I took away all the pistol ammo for my element and they just keep bringing it somehow. So Id have a perfect run, just to look over and see one of my officers execute someone. It was at complete random too! They would be good for a few missions and then suddenly go sicko mode
That arms dealer house arrest mission is the easiest one to get S rank, there are only 4 of them and all are poorly armed except for one guy with SMG.
Just uh, watch where you shoot
Kinda ironic they're arms dealer.
I winged a lucky 40ish yard headshot with the beanbag shotgun....which was both incredibly impressive and immensely annoying because it was the last suspect in an otherwise clean S rank run.
good point about the recoil. they should lower it. :)
Great video, please make a ranking video on AR's next, or like I believe it's called tactical equipment like the shield. Great job can't wait to see your next video.
Hotline mismi music goes hard
The hotline miami music convinced me
Good video 👍 Your conclusion there reminds me of the way Ahoy closes out his videos lol
Technically a taser also counts as less lethal as there’s a non-zero chance that you mess up their heart or something with the shock
He was talking about in-game, the taser is 100% non-lethal and the only non-lethat/LTL to have a 100% compliance. Some suspects, especially the bomb vest guys in Neon Tomb have resistance to both Beanbags and CS gas and will not surrender unless you taser them. If you take into account real life, some people are allergic to CS gas and will die from inhaling it, so even it is lethal in some cases.
I've fired HV star non-lethal rounds out of an over-under. Over-under's, aka double barrels have quick follow up shots buts two shots is a poor decision if your life depends on it. Also, their kick is so small you really don't notice it. They are effective to *35 yards* but in reality their accuracy is so bad you wouldn't take the shot past 25 yards.
the funny thing is the 3 guys in the forest house all wear gas mask, but tear gaz grenade still works, I had trouble dealing with them non lethal until I learn that trick
Only worked on Gerard for me, had to use stingers on the others.
I don't really mind the game expecting you to not kill anyone to get the highest rank, I just think it's kind of bullshit that all my officers quit or have to go to therapy after 2 missions if I don't try to save everyone.
Honest, to god. As someone who tested out being shot by a beanbag shotgun at the torso. Its a miracle that the suspects getting shot by it doesn't fall down at the pain cause fuck. The pain doesn't go away for days.
the "adrenaline" probs is boosting them stats lol
They should REALLY make some options for us virtual cops who prefer more "drastic" solutions to earn Ranks. Arent three headshots in a row a nice feat? Even Unreal tournament have it.
Another thing i like to see are double-jump.
Also some ammo and powerups spread around would be nice
And.. while im on it, some monsters, or even aliens as enemies would be golden. One get bored only terminating humans.
Oh one last thing. Character should move WAY faster. As it is now it is almost impossible strafe away from bullets
Okay this explains why I sometimes find dead suspects on my S rank grinds. Unfortunate that I won't be able to compensate for my shit shot placement and nerves with firerate but I really hate when it's not my fault for failing
Sounds like it's your fault for failing though. Start by taking responsibility, then improvement will follow.
@@trustworthydan No the reason was either crossfire, enemy fire, or (probably) my AI doming with beanbags, I have always been using pepperballs in my less-lethal loadout for spam and irritant. I already admitted to not being very good and implied I would change how I do non-lethal runs, so I kinda fail to see how I'm not taking responsibility
I control the beanbag shotgun, ai get the pepperballs… they blind them and im insurance to make sure the enemy surrenders
the game forcing s rank to be non-lethal makes me question the point of even adding lethal weapons
I'm still waiting of the video about assault rifles to know which one to use. (to be fair I'm just having a blast using the P90 and I don't want to use anything else)
well the video is out now :) Lol
S ranked valley of the doll solo with that bad boy today.
Also lots of CS gas. A lot. Of. Cs. Gas.
Need a pepperball pistol so using shields with the AI is easier
The way i play to take the S with Beanbag or Peppergun is getting alot of flashgrenades when i run out of them is when i truly panic and yes i killed some with the Beanbag, but the pepper is not consistent and sometimes they run away and find cover to keep shooting. Nvm no lethal runs are truly a horror game.
I don't care about reaching S rank, game unrealistically thinks you could achieve S rank. It's just hard for the sake of being hard.
Easy S rank = Optiwand peaking in corner. Beanbag shotgun will not save you from headshot.
With the current AI definitely
Optiwand my beloved
Beanbags still have two more flaws in RoN from my experience:
They can't break windows, but they can crack skulls and destroy fire extinguishers. This is an EXTREMELY important thing on some maps (Valley of the Dolls, The Hospital map, etc)
If a suspect wears a helmet - they will still get killed from a headshot. Take Mindjot security for example, they all wear helmets but still die from a single angled shot in the protected area. The same goes for gas masks.
well tbf, the concussive force of something solid SLAMMING into your head, regardless if its that object or the energy transfering through the helmet to your head, is enormous.
Your head and neck are still being rocketed back from the impact of the bag. so while a helmet probs does actually help. it still has a chance to drop you.
@@arctic4299 My problem with this is not that it kills suspects when shot in the head overall, but the fact that beanbags can't break glass while they kill suspects that wear helmets, not even incapacitate.
defo has the lowered AI mod on. most of these encounters i'd have been dead before i went round the corner :')
every other rank: normal swat officer
s rank: BATMAN
I hit a perp with 2 JHP from the pistol and he was still standing and writhing in pain with the weapon in hand so I gave him a 3rd shot which dropped him and the game penalized me for it 😆 Unauthorized use of force it said. I'm like WTF
funny thing about bean bag shotgun is headshot rate is higher for no reason
Nah i don't mind, the purpose of me playing this game is to experience different weapons given and how to cleanly kill them
Pepper spray taser flashbang CS meta
Hotline Miami outro music was >>>>
I miss my Paintball gun. TAC-700 Where are you?? 😂
Missed the days when pepperballs are still lethal
Honestly it's kind of dumb that suspects got stunned by a fucking bean bags but not live rounds to the limbs.
In the hospital lvl currently with pepper ball guns, keep getting wacked. Gonns try this shottie
A fellow redneckfledermaus enjoyer, nice
Not beanbag but Rubber buckshot in my Beretta over under Double Barrel 12ga... Has a Lot less recoil that normal 00buckshot
Interesting, so they do work
@@civilianuseonly i have not tryed them on anything living but i bet they leave a mark
the pepper spray pre-1.0: 🗿
beanbag shots to the head ragdolls enemies, but they stay alive if you didn't damage them earlier. At least before 1.0 released. Not sure now because I haven't used it.
Makes it the best weapon for non-lethal because you don't need to wait for compliance, you can just cuff them
1:17 In real life you can kill someone’s with a taser. there have been incidents where suspects covered in flammable liquids or flammable vapors were set aflame by tasers
For S rank in RoN, install no mercy mod and bash suspects.
Rank best AR and best current maps please
Guess I better stick to the pepperball guns... I kinda trained myself to always go for the head.
Oh shit just watched the shotgun tier video- Good luck it seems lol
I think beanbag shotguns should be a type of equipment rather than a primary weapon, same with rhe pepper gun.
I get that they exist and are used but thinking of the majority of the missions in RoN, its just not realistic that an Officer would take one rather than a proper weapon.
I was a little sad to learn how little are less-lethal and non-lethal options used by law enforcement. It's really a sad reality. I mean imagine if all police officers could wield weapons that were non-lethal but just as effective. Criminology studies have been showing that criminals only care about chances of getting caught _alive_ *and* if they face consequences. Death penalty for stealing -> more stealing. Death penalty for stealing but officers just let you go because they know you'll get the death penalty and don't want to do the paperwork -> habitual stealing by everyone as a way of life, criminals laughing while they're getting arrested. 1 day of jailtime for stealing but there is a 100% chance you get caught and have to give back what you stole -> only complete psychopaths attempt stealing. Do crimes but die before getting caught -> psychopaths don't care.
so the issue is a lot of the time in real life less-lethal just doesnt work and if there is multiple cops on scene at least one is carrying/holding some kind of less-lethal if its a beanbag shotgun or 40mm but if that suspect raises a gun at a civ or officer they aren't gonna hope that the less-lethal works they are gonna do what ever they know will work and that's lethal. in a perfect world there wouldn't be crime but less-lethal would always work and you wouldn't need to be as worried but CS gas/Pepperballs/pepper spray doesnt work on everyone, tasers dont work if you have thick clothes or they just dont attach. beanbags works if the person isnt on drugs. and officers cant just aim at less-lethal spots with their firearm cause the less-lethal spots are often smaller and thinner making a larger chance of missing and possible hitting something/someone beyond the target
@@abominablesnowman646 Yes, exactly! I thought about this a lot since. I am dumbfounded and sad I can't think of a single even compromise solution. It just sucks all around. Nothing but better crime policies and making sure people have means + addressing extreme inequality in close proximity
@@MenkoDany The issue isn't that they can't think of a solution, it's that anything NON-LETHAL won't stop a guy from harming a civ he is pointing a weapon at 100% of the time. Cops can't exactly care if the guy with a handgun ends up dead, if the other option is a random civ, or another officer ending up dead when that taser fails to make contact, or a beanbag shotgun round doesn't flinch them.
Honestly I’m impressed the game didn’t include the taser shotgun.
Doesn't really get used irl anyway. I read somewhere that the cost per round was about 150 USD. The juice wasn't worth the squeeze for an unnecessarily bulky taser. The current pistol format of tasers is far more practical.
@@CoralTheMihn In all fairness neither does some of the in-game arms.
We have similar music taste i suggest you should look into katana zero ost 😉
The only SS rank weapon in RoN : Beanbag Shotgun
Awesome video
Thanks!
Technically, the Stingers are LTL, just saying.
doesnt matter what gun u use if u walk around a corner and get insta headshots
lol I remember that day and that body cam at 1:50 mark
really *really* nice vid
For some reason tear gas works on the folks with gasmasks
Do you still allow them to have handguns ammo if you equipped your team with a shield?
Not if I'm going for S rank
@@civilianuseonly True. I was once believe that giving them at least 1 magazine for the handgun for their safety sake. Until, they started going gung-ho as soon as they finished mag dump their primary weapons.
What do you equip your team with when you're using beanbags?
Pepperball.
Pepperball and gas grenades
I've shot rubber shotgun rounds irl and that shit does not move the gun
My ai team managed to kill a civ in a crossfire using a beanbag shotgun. What are the chances?
When the civilians squat at perfect headshot height
We need rubber bullets in a later update
The games expectations are just the expectations the media and the judicial system has for the police in brazil lmao...
You call call Ready or Not "the brazilian experience".
(If you want to make it a challenge, equip the Beretta with no mods, no armor, no gadgets and 1 squad mate at max & try to get an S rank. If you fail to do so you will be put on unapayed leave and have a 50% chance of getting your life ruined.)
I actually killed many with beanbag shotgun lol
0:57 uhmmmm no i’ve killed people with the pepper ball gun before
albeit funny at the moment, very annoying when it happened again at the end of my s tier attempt of that stupid hospital map
my dude, 0:57, did you forget about pepper spray weapons?
Is that a specific mod used at 6:55? I hate the default mirror gun camera D: Id love to change it to that if possible.
It's the default one. I have no mods installed other than cinematic camera (not related to mirror gun)
what is the point of S rank? its stupid and doesn't make sense. what law enforcement agency would roll into a hospital or night club being shot up by terrorists with only a couple guys armed with bean bag shotguns? one of the many reasons RoN is completely lacking in realism
Hey quick question; how did you get rid of the version text on the top right hand corner?
From what I remember, the 1.0 version doesn't have it. Otherwise, F3 to remove all hud
@@civilianuseonly strange... I still have those text lines even after the 1.0
Was hoping you could enlighten me on how to remove it. But hey, really cool video regardless. Keep up the great work!❤️
@@msaeedazizi Theres a mod to remove it on nexus mods and there might be a setting for it in game (not sure on that one tho)