Psychiatrist analyzes surviving roommate's behavior following Idaho killings | Morning in America
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- Dr. Daniel Bober, a psychiatrist and former mental health policy fellow in the U.S. Senate, joined NewsNation to weigh in on the release of the probable cause affidavit and what the surviving roommate heard and saw the night four University of Idaho students were killed.
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Either she could have had shell shock, or she just did not realize the severity of the situation.
Then what was she scared about?
@@June-tb4vi The surprise of seeing someone unknown in the house would be scary, but when he walked out without showing any signs of agressession, she wouldn't automatically think "he's a killer". She didn't know anyone was dead. She found out the next morning.
Yes, exactly. She was EITHER in shock or thought nothing of it. It can't be both.
@@satlva2908 I disagree she could have had legitimate feelings of real fear and was in shock by what she saw but tried to talk herself out of the bad feeling bc let’s be honest no one’s first thought would be that their roommates were all just murdered by someone. Denial and possibly alcohol could have played a role In her behavior.. I just think the ppl attacking her are absolutely disgusting bc Survivors guilt is a VERY real thing and I’m sure she regrets not being aware of the severity of the whole situation. These ppl were like family, she lived with them. I’m sure she is beating herself up enough without having hundreds if not thousands of strangers pointing the finger at her and blaming her for the deaths of these kids. I can’t believe how grown people will virtually harass survivors or family members of crime victims. We need to call out that behavior every time we see it.
It doesn’t say that she saw a man with blood on his hand or his body. It’s likely that she was transfixed by his face. Mask covering his nose and mouth. That doesn’t sound like a baclava. Hence, I don’t think she had any indication that anyone, least of all, FOUR of her housemates were slaughtered. She may had bad bad vibes about this person but not comprehending why. Like an intuition. Don’t be too hard on this young lady. I can imagine she will have to go through therapy for many years to come.
Suspicious as hell.
I hope DM is ok and getting the help she needs. Not only is she probably suffering from severe survivors guilt but she also is grieving the loss of some of her best friends. Sending her positive and healing vibes❤️.
She's more OK that the friends she didn't help, that's for sure!
@@francesco245how TF could she help them?! He stabbed FOUR people? GTFOH
@@brandiil8559 If she called 911 immediately though ambulance might have got there in time to save somebody that was bleeding out
Good question she had enough sense to lock her door...skeptical to me..jmo
@@jasonroberts6080 absolutely not, they died very quick if not immediate deaths. You can not blame this kid for not calling at 4am. Maybe her phone wasn't in the room, did you think of that? People were in and out of that house constantly. I'm sure she wasn't thinking that there was a kill3r in her house and that 4 people are just brutally attacked.
You honestly have no idea how you will handle a traumatic situation until you go through it. This poor girl is going through a nightmare right now and needs a lot of love, along with everyone affected by this tragedy
Exactly
I think the family of the victims (the real ones) are getting through a much greater nightmare; and maybe their son or daughter could've been saved had help arrived sooner.
She needs therapy, counselling for quite a long time. I hope she gets it right away.
@@francesco245 exactly!!
You dont call your friends first before the LE or and ambulance!
I've been through the "freeze" stage of this. Was crossing a street and saw a car coming toward me and my body literally WOULD NOT MOVE. The car literally hit me while I stood there and watched. If I had taken TWO STEPS, it would have missed me. I was screaming in my head to move, but my body would not move. They are not kidding that things just SHUT DOWN and there is nothing you can do about it, even though your thoughts are screaming DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. I was baffled at my own response at the time, but I can completely understood how Dylan just stood there frozen. This kid just shut down or reasoned away what she heard, because that's what people do when they can't make sense of things. My heart goes out to DM...she is probably wracked by horrible guilt over her actions, but the reality is what she is did is quite normal for the situation she was in.
Same
You didn’t not move for hours and hours… and hours
@@burr2566it’s a good thing shock effects everyone the exact same way otherwise you might sound like a dumbass instead of the expert that you are…
@@burr2566 she wasn't frozen for hours, but like OP said, after the initial freeze up you attempt to rationalize things you might have over thought. It's common for people to come and go in the house, so it might be easy for her to deny that guy was truly a threat and not some guy who was friends with the other roommates. They're 20 year olds known for partying, they're likely just naive and not thinking with clarity and the hindsight we all have now about the situation.
That's a 5 second state of shock. This was an 8 hour state of shock.
I love how everyone knows exactly what they'd do and has all the details of the incident that aren't public and how absolutely amazing they would be in this and any other circumstance. People are so nasty and judgemental and never waste an opportunity to point out that they would always do the exact right thing.
The ego is one helluva drug
yeah. so easy to say 'what you would have done' from a bird's eye view.
Are you judging my judgement hypocrite 🤔
or theyve been shot at and faced death so yeah a lot of fuckers dont know but freezing is not impossible but its the most rare, flight is common even in the military for first time trauma
@@Heseesyou 🫢😎👏🏼
1. SOMEONES in the house
2. Friend crying
3. “Don’t worry I’m going to help you”
4. Sees a person in a mask that she doesn’t recognize
So MANY signs to call someone RIGHT AWAY..
IT
DOES
NOT
MAKE
SENSE
I agree but everyone says we're victim shaming but I don't see it that way , also calling friends first to come over before police, they are extremely lucky they didn't contaminate the murder scene
I mean people were in and out all the time. People cry sometimes it isn't that unusual
@@Sunmoon-gj9gy yep.. I was yelled at a few times for questioning the roommates.. I’m sorry but it just doesn’t make sense.. why call friends? A bloody massacre and you call friends before cops?
@@clarkness77 but seeing a man in a mask that you don’t recognize (her words) isn’t unusual?? 2+2=4
They’re grown women, not children, yes they’re young, and of course things like this don’t normally happen and I can understand maybe waiting a few minutes to make sure the STRANGER that obviously scared you, is gone to then call cops.. BUT HOURS later?
It doesn’t make sense
There must have been a lot of blood…I guess it could have been just in the upstairs rooms and she couldn’t see it on his person but 8 hours!
I pray for the surviving roommates. I cannot fathom what they are going through.
Do we need to know that?
I thought "prayer" was supposed to be a personal and solitary activity...
@@francesco245 Does someone saying that they send "positive and healing vibes", tick you off as much as someone saying they'll pray?
Remember that this was a "party house", so she wouldn't have any reason to believe it wasn't somebody the victims knew and what was going on was "normal" for these people.
@@carrier7399 it was a party house so that means brain wont go in a defensive mode? You really have no idea what your talking about.
@@carrier7399 Then why was she in a "frozen shock phase"? Also, why did she lock her door if she wasn't afraid?
Agree 💯% with this psychiatrist. We shouldn’t judge the surviving roommate for not calling the police sooner. I’m certain the surviving roommates are traumatized from this horrific tragedy, be kind
She didn’t know anything happened
@@jennapitts8373 then what was she scared about??
@@June-tb4vi a person she saw, what else?
I'm going to say that this roommate encounter with the perp along with the eight hour delay in calling the cops is a big problem for the state. Otherwise, with all the surveillance cameras, cell phone pings around the house on other days, no cell phone pings from the perp's phone at all during the time of the crime, knife sheath conveniently left at the scene with DNA...it is all so pat. But just when you think you have a detailed, minute by minute account, you have this huge strangeness of Mortenson's account. And contrary to what we have heard for seven weeks -- that the house was almost soundproof between the murder scene and the downstairs rooms -- Mortenson is quoting actual fragments of conversation, presumably words of the killer. And she opened the door three times to see what was going on, the third time seeing the killer in full killer costume and was scared frozen as he walked by her. So having lost interest in these events, she goes back to bed and sleeps until near noon. I mean it really makes no sense, not that I have any dark theory about anyone but Kohberger being involved. But as a juror, when a very tight and pat account of the crime is presented to me all wrapped up with a bow, but there is this really, really strange business right in the middle, my confidence that I really know all about what happened is shaken.
Three chances to call the police and she goes to sleep for six hours. 😐
I work in psychiatry and if you have two psychiatrists in a room you'll get three opinions. No way did DM freeze for 8 hours. An hour or two maybe but then it would be 911. She may have collapsed if she was intoxicated & high on pills or weed but if she didn't...Why wait 8 hours? It doesn't add up to me.
It doesn't have to add up to you - or us right now
I've worked in psychiatry for 20 years and I can totally see this happening. Poor girl was beyond traumatized
Im sure there is a lot more information we don't know yet. Remember the police keep things secret in order to protect the integrity of the case
If she was high or drunk, do you think that she would have been able to give so much detail?
Well that's just your opinion, man LOL
I passed out from fear once. I looked out the window and a man was looking in at me, I woke up the next morning to screaming. My memory was foggy like a dream but I've carried the weight of this since I was 14-15yrs old.
I hope he didn't hurt you how scary omg 😭 😳 😫 😢
One thing people have to keep in mind is the possibility of false memories. Going through a traumatic situation like this can make the brain do crazy things. She likely did see him as she was able to accurately describe him, but the other parts about hearing crying and such could be false memories after realizing what happened. She could have looked back on the night trying to rationalize why she didn’t call sooner. Survivors guilt can play a huge role in these false memories. For example in the moment she heard a floorboard creak, but looking back on that memory with the knowledge of what happened the creak is now her roommate crying.
I just commented the same. I totally agree with you.
Maybe she didn't realize the gravity what happened ..
@@deannekliene2673 that’s also a possibility. I’m just trying to give a reason as to why she wouldn’t call if she was petrified with shock and fear. People really need to give this girl a break. The survivors guilt alone would make some people have to be in a psychiatric hospital, but to have the internet and random people dissecting your every move saying you did the wrong thing is even worse. No one knows how they will truly react in this situation. For her sake and the other roommate I hope the bastard confesses and saves her and the families from having to relive this trauma during a trial.
@ Megan Boyd Interesting theory.
@@deannekliene2673 oh come on, stfu
I'm sorry but 8hrs and calling others after being afraid of an unknown masked man. I'm not buying the "in shock" explanation.
I’m so glad this was mentioned. When I was SA’d I guilted myself for not yelling. It’s because I was in shock and couldn’t even move my eyes
she went to bed and slept for 8hrs. You dont do that with cortisol and I was r@ped. I know what is like to freeze. This was not that.
What is SA’d? Whatever it is it doesn’t sound good since you were in shock.
I understand not calling the police when you’re frozen, but she called friends the next day rather than 911. But even this isn’t clear and will eventually come out during the trial.
@@beckybarnes8875they never said she went to sleep, where did you get that information from?
@@Melmelbasa stands for sexual assault
For more than six hours? Give me a break!
Plus, this girl was NOT being assaulted!
Nobody touched her!
The affidavit never stated that D.M. heard screams, or any kind of fighting. It stated that she heard what sounded like Kaylee playing with her dog, Kaylee saying “someone is here,” Xana crying & a male saying “it’s ok I’m going to help you.” There were constantly people going in & out of this house, parties, friends/boyfriends over, etc. Xana had just got DoorDash delivered, so D.M. knew Xana & Ethan were up & making noise. It’s normal for people in college relationships to be emotional or cry, especially if they were out late drinking. When she saw a figure leaving, I don’t think her first thought would be that they just murdered 4 of my roommates. She probably thought something was off or weird so she went back in her room & locked the door. Not because she thought they were murdered but because a man was in her house that she didn’t know. Men can be predatory & as a woman you have to be cautious of that. This is all just speculation though. None of us know all the details & even if we did, we wouldn’t know how we would personally react in this situation. I’m sure she is going through enough right now with losing her friends & wondering how she could have done things differently. Not to mention people victim blaming her all over social media. We have to remember she didn’t commit these horrible acts, Bryan did. He should be held responsible, not someone who didn’t even know what was truly going on.
I’m not sure how you know Bryan did it. All evidence at this point is circumstantial including the dna. The only exception is this very bizarre eyewitness account from this roommate, that is direct evidence. Personally, her story sounds like bullshit to me. I won’t be surprised if she is involved. Let’s see what information comes out in the trial, and hope Justice prevails.
@k m 😳
@@Seashellsbytheseashore21 Read the affidavit, if you're capable. Only a moron would think he's innocent. DNA on a knife sheath left next to one of the girls he stabbed to death is not circumstantial. It's a slam dunk for this case. You sound like an incel, btw.
You know damn well she was involved. The whole “poor girl froze” story is bull. 8 hours later she calls friends to come over and see her work?
@@mtio2807 lol seek help
Fact is, these were all still kids with the outside appearance of an adult. These students were in the transformation phase to become adults. But when faced with unfamiliar situations, it's very easy for a 20yr old to freeze up or act irrational. And also, lets not forget that some of the first responders were faced with a mental struggle after witnessing the scene. I can only imagine what hell they must've walked into. RIP to these victims!!!
I really like the term "provisional adult" for humans aged 18-24 since our brains are grown by ~25 yrs old.
Kids,???
but we have tons of stories of 4 year okds calling 911 for their parents.
Oh, now they're kids, OK...
A few days ago, we were being told "they're adults!"
I live in a college town, and I've been in some crappy roommate situations before. I once had some bad next-door neighbors (wanna-be gangbangers) in my apartment building that were constantly partying and fighting and keeping me awake all night. Complaining doesn't do you any good and calling the cops can make you a target of their revenge. You really want to move but you're stuck where you are for the time being. Having to put up with crap like that all the time, when the shit goes down you just roll your eyes, put the pillow over your head and hope it's over soon so you can finally get some sleep, just another night.
Every single weekend they would throw parties and every single weekend it would end in fights and the cops were called. One night someone got thrown off the balcony onto a car below. After one particularly debauched night (with cops showing up as usual) I learned the next day that a neighbor had come over to complain about the noise and one of the partygoers followed him back to his place and laid a tire iron across his head, nearly killing him and causing permanent deafness in one ear, there was blood everywhere. I didn't find out about it until 10 hours later. This is what it took for the landlord to finally evict them because all other complaints fell on deaf ears.
As hard as it is, we have to really consider the fact that we don’t have all the facts as to what happened after she locked her self in her room. Maybe she had left her cell phone in her bathroom and that’s why she couldn’t call the police. Maybe she was in literal shock. Maybe she only heard what was listed in that affidavit & bc there were no screams or reason to believe he did anything other then try to rob the place, she hid. Speculation is only going to cause this girl more pain and I wish we could all just leave her alone.
well said. finally you nailed it. we dont have the details. please online sleuths stop the speculations. its no good for anyone
She could have thought it was a guy that one of the girls brought home.She heard the person say "I will take care of you" could have had her believe the roommate knew this stranger.Another reason could have been; she was drinking and smoking earlier and wasn't really all there.
She texted people the next morning to check with her. She had her phone.
And maybe seeing a strange man in the house at 4 am wasn’t unusual. Maybe she was just shocked in the moment and just locked her door and went to bed. The house was basically a mini-dorm where other occupants might have late night visitors, and they can easily startle someone who’s not expecting to see someone in the dark.
Right but she then left her room. And went downstairs . So she wasn't so scared to not leave her room.
I'm curious if she did see something horrific? And that specific moment in time is lost to her. Too many details that she does recount, according to the arrest affidavit. It's not unheard of to have a mental block . Our brains will block out things to protect us.
We will know more in time.
If you look into the Elizabeth Smart case her sister was also frozen for hours. We have no idea how we’d be. It’s dumb to judge them when we don’t know.
Her sister was like 10 ...
Are comparing a 9-year-old Mary Katherine Smart to a 20-year-old that heard a whole lot of commotion?
Arrest affidavit Latah County Page 4 Exhibit (A) statement of Brett Payne
“At approximately 4:17 AM a security camera located at 11 12 king Rd, a residence immediately to the northwest of 1122 king Rd, picked up distorted audio of what sounded like voices or whimper followed by a loud thud. A dog can also be heard barking numerous times starting at 4:17 AM. The security camera is less than 50 feet from the West wall of Kermode’s bedroom”
There is a reason why the distance and the time of these recordings are mentioned. These statements are sandwiched in between DM's statements. I'm astonished nobody including all the experts and the media are not reading between the lines.
The commotion in the house at times mentioned was so loud, even with all the windows and doors closed it was picked up almost 50 feet away by a small microphone. DM was already alerted and was opening her bedroom door to investigate prior to these sounds being recorded.
I agree. The amount of fear a person may experience is difficult for most folk to imagine if they have never been in the same circumstances.
@@traveleye8180 thank you!! People just want to make excuses for this girl!!
@@traveleye8180 the response is the same regardless of age. It's a physiological reaction and not a voluntary choice.
Why would you NOT call 911 right after seeing a masked man in your home? Instead you go to sleep and then call your friends the next day to come see the remains, before even thinking of calling 911. I don't buy this as a "trauma response"! Kohberger is creepy, but the roomates seem just as creepy, if not, involved.
Frozen in fear but able to sleep for 8 hours, calling friends before police. Her story leaves too much blank space.
Exactly
You know nothing. The police know the full story, and they cleared her early on. We will learn more at the trial, no doubt.
for me as well?why did the killer not attack her if he had just killed 4 other people/I am not criticizing the surviving room mate but it just does not add up.
She saw the criminal face in mask, she close the door and get back to sleep..?? In the moment she closed the door the perpetrator it could heard the door noise while she closed.. it could have been killed her as well but non she was the lucky one to be alive and instead of the police she called her friends first... seems very suspicious her story..
What if she passed out and it was the other roommate who found her and called to report the unconscious person?
I was sexually assaulted in 2013 in a hotel stairwell. I came around the wall, set to go down another flight of stairs and was met with a man in a ski mask. He was at the the bottom of those stairs and I couldn't move. I felt a cold heat start at the top of my head, flow over my face, leaving my ears feeling hot... it spread quickly through my whole body.
I told my legs to move. I told myself to run. Fear paralyzed me! I felt like I was there for an eternity, but camera footage would later show the whole thing took 6 minutes.
Everyone responds the way they respond! You have no idea how you will respond if you are in a similar situation.
Im sorry to hear about this. Did they catch him?
Not everyone agrees with this. Some rapists believe you had sex with them just laying there scared out of your mind too scared to fight or move. And then told everyone I had sex with them back and was pegged the Virgin slut.
My father tried to kill me... and although people do behave differently in life or death situations, this isn't a fight/freeze/fight response from her. SHE WAITED 8 HOURS TO CALL 911, NOT 5 min or even 1 hour.
Nobody tried to kill her. She had no real reason to believe anyone was dead. A man who only walks out of a house full of girls isn't really something worth dialing 911 over.
@@AFloridaSonshe heard loud crying, a dog barking, someone yelled “someone’s in here”, she walked out and saw a man in all black. She should’ve at the MINIMUM checked on her friends. You can also hear loud bangs from the outside security camera (also in the affidavit)
@@AFloridaSon also this dude was in like full robber gear he had a Balaclava on. The fact that she didn’t call the cops drives me nuts.
Because you’ve endured trauma you should know to have some sympathy and compassion for survivors. Don’t be like this.
@@AFloridaSon She heard crying, the dog barking, saw a strange man in black with a mask on. She also heard Kaylee or Maddie saying “someone’s here” and heard him say he was there to help. She had it in her to open her door three times to check and see what was going on. So this just doesn’t make sense not to call 911. I don’t think she had bad intentions, just odd.
But she supposedly didn’t know the other roommates were dead right? How is she in such a state of shock for so long unless she knew what was happening? That just seems extremely strange to me and I’m guessing many more people think the same…
I find it strange but maybe she was high/drunk. She's extremely lucky he left her alive.
Exactly!
Either she knew there was something wrong and should've helped (a discreet phone call or even sending a text was still OK if she was too afraid to get out of her room), or she didn't know something was amiss and had therefore no reason to be afraid in the first place.
Something doesn't add up!
Exactly. If she didn't know what happened why would she be paralyzed with fear?
I just want to say that I’m also a psychologist. I’m not sure how it could last that long. If it was one more survivor, she could have also told the other girl or the other girl could have potentially noticed something wrong with her. It seems like it would have been impossible to go back to sleep. These are just thoughts. I also wonder why wouldn’t she try to free herself.
If this happened on the second floor, wasn’t her room on the 1sr floor? How could she look out of her room if it was on the 1st floor? I might be missing something though.
@@shuntubbs2682 she was on second.
She is a very young girl. She probably didn’t believe what she was seeing or why it just didn’t make sense to her I am sure. Bless her she is so fortunate she locked her door and probably saved her other roommate.
Oh, now they're "young girls".
Funny how many were telling us these students were adults even a few days ago...
Not a child. Lots of weird ideas here - people wanting adults to be viewed as children. So unsettling.
what other roomate. are you saying bethany was in there with her?
She is not a Young "girl" she was in college ...
@@pinkierural and just where the F was bethany? why'd she sleep til noon? or did she even wake up at all? wasn't the report that dylan left the house at noon, scared, with her phone. then apparently passed out outside. a passerby saw that and came over and called 911 on her phone to report an unconscious person. where the F was bethany still, during all of this? nobody even seems to mention her at all, just that she survived.
Maybe yelling, crying, or random people in the house wasn't too unusual, but you'd think she'd at least text or call her roommates to ask what is going on and if everything was ok
I'm trying to understand, which I never will, but I agree with what you are saying. However, if we assume DM maybe left her phone in another room hence she couldn't call. But, she called people over to the house around noon. So she had her phone?
@@elle7899 none of these kids leave their phones for 1 second
If it wasn't usual, then what would be the reason for her being in "shock" either she thought nothing of it or was soooooo terrified that she was in shock. Not both
@elle7899 I think the excuse she's using for not calling 911 is being too "shocked," which doesn't make any sense unless she saw or heard more than what's in the Probable Cause Affidavit and anything enough to make someone so "shocked" is enought to be calling 911 for
Yeah that’s what I’m wondering too, if it were normal sounds, why look out the door 3 times.
I have SEVERE panic disorder and can see maybe her being so scared and panicked that she was too terrified to even find out if anything was wrong, so she stayed in her room frozen with fear and just hoping and praying that she would eventually hear them wake up and start making noise around the house and the later it got, the more she realized that something was wrong FOR SURE.
They lived in a party house, there was no way of her knowing that a random guy in the house it wasn’t just somebody coming over to hang out with one of her friends. She didn’t see blood, she didn’t see a knife, she just saw a stranger walking through her house and heard some weird noises and just decided to blow it off till the AM.
I totally agree...this is what I do in crazy stressful situations ☹️
So what exactly was the sight of man with covid mask fill her with so much fear? If she says she didn’t see the bodies until the next day then wtf was it that filled her with so much panic to leave her in this paralyzed state where she can’t even call police but she can call her friends over to chit chat.
And fatigue could occur. She could drift off to sleep.
@@jilpok1074 exactly. What about seeing a man LEAVING your house, would scare you into a “frozen state” of shock for 8 hours? Doesn’t add up even if you have an anxiety disorder.
We had an intruder in our house once. I was the only person who saw the man because he opened the door to my room and I was awake but still in bed. My first thought was, “who was that, I know it wasn’t anyone I know.” And my second thought was, “ I’m not going out into the hallway until I know it’s safe and that person is gone.” I didn’t scream, I didn’t call for help, I wasn’t thinking about what might be happening with anyone else in the house. I stayed silent and I stayed put. The surviving roommate had a completely understandable reaction. You don’t know what you would do unless it happens to you.
ok so everyone for themselves....
As a grown man, no. And if I had kids, no. Maybe the world needs more men who can handle guns, just maybe.
but you are suggesting that your own action was 'completely understandable'. it wasn't. your family could have been getting murdered, all while you chose to remain sitting in your room, aware of the danger. THAT'S a terrible reaction, and one that a person should seek help with, to overcome. THAT type of reaction is not a survival reaction.
@@pinkierural haha, riiiiiiiight? I think not! I'd seek help 4 my roomies as soon as safe!
That’s a fine point of view but if 4 household members are getting stabbed to death there’s no doubt you will hear that. She was dazed, disoriented, shook, stunned, drunk or whatever excuses you continue to make.. unless she has a deaf card of proof then she heard it all.
I feel so much for the roommates, they are in the eye of the storm. Everyone is now scrutinizing every word spoken by a victim who is probably still shocked and traumatized, will have to revive every single thing when the trial comes and will be pointed by his defense. That’s a lot to take in!! I hope they both get help and protection.
Edit: I’m reading the replies to my comment and tbh I’m hoping as this case progresses LE breaks down her testimony and actually verifies if this is what happened or if it’s bs. As far as I know she hasn’t been charged for anything YET. I do understand how stupid and weird it sounds not calling 911 if you are freaking out about a stranger is in the house. But we don’t know if she was drunk/high or both either.
She's not a victim.
You know damn well she was involved. The whole “poor girl froze” story is bull. 8 hours later she calls friends to come over and see her work?
@@francesco245 why are you writing a message then using another account to reply to yourself you freak 🤣🤣🤣
If you see a man in a mask in black clothing who you don't know and heard crying coming from your house mate room would you just go back in your room and lock the door without checking to see if everyone else is OK after hearing crying and dog barking and a man in a mask and just go back to bed. Coz I know I wouldn't I would be straight on the phone to 911 saying there is a man in my house with a mask but she didn't do that until 12 noon the next day so if you ask me that's very suspicious
8 hrs to call 911 nobody can answer that Question
It's called "we sell here, and don't want to call police" .. and that's why those roommates didn't call police even after Rigor Mortis set in (they were OBVIOUSLY long Dead and bloody when that 911 call was made).
Drugs, yep. I agree and they called the friends to get drugs out before cops were called.
@@beckybarnes8875
I'm sorry were they a fucking cartel lmao? Why would she need other people to remove drugs from the sorority house? Stop acting like they had bricks upon bricks to remove before calling police. You sound like an idiot lol. If there were 'drugs'.. a baggy of weed or some pills can be disposed of quickly in the toilet.. without the help of mulitple other people. You literally sound ridiculous rn
Seems logical. That's why they called friends first.
I’m not assuming anything but this right here makes the most sense . One girl had defensive wounds - I would think that she had to scream or something . I mean their were 2 survivors in different part of the house from what I know. Yet the police didn’t get called till hours later . It’s either drug related , or it could be possible they were involved. They only heard this from one survivor- we don’t know much about the other
Also the police are the one’s to discover the dead bodies . Which seems odd to me that it spanned out like that
I can’t even imagine how DM is feeling. I’m sure survivors guilt and many other emotions that will effect her for the rest of her life.
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She's probably in that brain freeze she had on the night while her friends were getting butchered and she just went back to sleep......for 8 hours
I mean, not doing anything for 8 hours does make her negligent. She could have saved someone’s life. At least 1 was still alive and bleeding to death..
@@bobbye4731 Yep! Exactly.
Oh, you're gonna make me cry...! Not.
How would she know there’s someone there to kill them tho? People come and go from that house all the time.
I do find it weird she didn’t call 911 for 7/8 hours after seeing a weird guy in her house tho. But I wasn’t in her position so how can I judge fully on her actions.
Freezing is one thing…not being too worried bc it’s a party house..ok…WHY call friends to come see the bodies before the police?!? WHAT??? I just can not comprehend….
How did she hear actual conversations but not any screams?
Because there weren't any screams.
@@joralemonvirgincreche But how is that possible?
I think its weird the roomie didnt do more. Its also weird that she's being viewed with the knowledge of knowing what happened, not in the moment. So, she sees an anomaly, and then goes back and locks the door, and does nothing. Had she known what occurred, the fight, flight or freeze would be applicable. But, shes being givin the benefit cuz its known what happened.
It would be more plausible to me, that the call wasnt made for 8 hours had she NOT seen anything. But the fact she saw something, and still reacted that way, is suspicious to me.
not just an anomaly the perp walked by her.. then she was so scared that she went to sleep..
The question becomes she and the other survivor may also be suspects as fucked up as it seems, killing 4 fully awake people is hard unless the killer was familiar with their patterns and the layout of the house and even then getting the drop on each person in such a short space of time would be hard and Bryan Kohberger could definitely be the killer (how his DNA got in the house is a huge question).
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@@sergio9669 The surviving roommates are NOT suspects. The police made that clear in the early days of this investigation. Bryan Kohberger IS the killer, and that was made obvious in the affidavit that was released yesterday. If you're not willing to read it, then you have no business commenting. Only one of the roommates was fully awake (Xana). It's not hard for a psychotic male of his height and strength to kill 4 drunk and/or sleeping college kids, three of them small females. He had been stalking them on at least TWELVE occasions, watching the house at night at various points for months before the murder, as his cell phone records and cameras show. There is no question how his DNA got in the house. It was found on the button snap of a knife sheath that was left on the bed next to the body of one of the girls he stabbed to death. You know NOTHING about this case.
Ok. You freeze when you see an intruder in your house. But you don’t call the cops or check on your roommates… for hours!?
In my experience, my reactions have been different depending on different factors. I’m a person that doesn’t fall asleep easy, I’m an anxious sleeper that’s easy to wake, and I can just get by on less sleep than a lot of people. I had a neighbor that would fight with his gf all the time. One morning I’m woken up by hearing her straining to say “I can’t breath.” I rolled out of bed landing like catwoman, run next door and beat on it, tell him I’m going to call police if he doesn’t open the door right now and let me see her (I do not personally know these people.) He doesn’t, I call 911 and he goes to jail. I get a summons for court but it was settled or dropped before that. I should say, I live alone. I go into the kitchen and walk past my door and see the handle turn and realize someone is trying to come in. I don’t call 911. I grab a weapon and position myself to see the door all night and just stare until I can speak to the property manager this next morning. I don’t even hallucinate things because of little sleep but I questioned myself all night and if calling 911 was an over reaction. I said all of that so people judging this girl knows, it happens to other people and if it’s never happened to you then you don’t know what you would or wouldn’t do. I’ve always thought I knew how I’d react but every time I’ve went through fight or flight, I’ve rarely responded the way I would have guessed. And if something else was going on with her, I think law enforcement has really stepped up and done an amazing job up to this point and I’m theorizing just like a lot of others but we’re just going to have to trust that they’ll get to the truth of everything. 🫶🏻
Well said…and she probably thought in the moment she was overreacting even though it scared her. But was most likely it’s nothing and to get some sleep and all will be good in the morning. Especially if the run in with the cops was for noise complaints on them. If I called the cops every time I felt uncomfortable they would hate me because so far 100% of the time it was absolutely nothing.
@@forrealforreal7203 I don’t understand the Brady Bunch reference here?
You are a brave and good person.
We are just the same! I am a very VERY anxious sleeper. I have two tiny babies, I hear everything while I’m asleep EVERYTHING. I can hear the first small sound my kids make as their waking up in their room and it’ll wake me up. I also had a situation with my door, I didn’t see it but I heard the knob twist slightly all the way from my room. My brain has the sound my knob makes memorized so I knew it was the front door. It was about 7am and I jumped out of bed quietly. Before heading to the door I quickly initiated an extra security measure on my kids door that I’ve had in place for a situation just like this one. (in my head I didn’t know if someone was trying to get in so I was acting on worst case scenario) As I approached the door I saw a figure through my eclipse curtain. The curtain allows enough vision for me to see outside but if you’re outside looking in the curtain is pitch black. In complete shock I froze, I clenched my fist out of frustration and because I was losing feeling in my legs. My nails broke some skin and the pain pulled me out of my frozen state. Quickly I grabbed my phone and a medium sized knife, we have a firearm but I was too scared to go back into my room for it because I thought if I stopped looking at the door it would open. After 2 failed attempts because of shaky hands I managed to call the police. What came next shaped the rest of my life. The door sounded like it exploded. I think he tried taking the door out with his body. I screamed bloody murder. My kids woke up crying, at this point I’m just trying to protect my babies. I assured my babies through the door that everything was okay and that I loved them. My daughter 3, understood bc she saw the barricade in place(we had practice drills prior) my son 1, was freaking out but thank my stars my daughter quickly calmed and took him into their hidy hole in the closet. Without going into any distressing details he made it in the house and remained in the house for 4 minute 48 seconds before the police came. My kids were untouched and completely safe. I didn’t hide with my kids because then he would’ve found their door and taken it down. I served as a distraction💔. I fought as best as I could, it almost felt like a dream because I couldn’t feel my hits landing on him.
Some people including myself aren’t brave, strong or well collected under stress. I always knew that about myself, I grew up with abusive parents. If you feel you may freeze have a plan in place. Like a hidey hole 🕳️ or a reinforced door. I’m even preparing a secret safe room in my house so we ALL have somewhere safe and inaccessible from the bad guy. You don’t have to be brave or strong just prepared and smart.
i'm very much like you. i have extreme insomnia and hardly sleep. it doesn't affect me at all, because i've always been that way. i also have crazy hearing, like nutso. it could very well be my hearing that prevents me from sleeping, as i hear everything, everywhere. vehicles outside, people walking down the street, the softest sound in the house, everything.
*Either she knew there was something wrong and should've helped (a discreet phone call or sending a text was still OK), or she didn't know something was amiss and therefore had no reasons to be afraid in the first place.*
*Something doesn't add up!*
Thank you for asking unpopular questions. Things don't add up and I appreciate your respectful push back
Agreed. There's an internet lynch mob that is ready to hang based just on an affidavit of probable cause. None of this has been cross-examined on a witness stand yet. Frankly, D.M.'s statements and actions, while possibly true, lend questions to whether her story was changed to fit the man arrested. I'm hoping the prosecution is holding onto a couple of cards that will make the case a slam dunk but, for now, I'm a little underwhelmed.
@@orangehoof An affidavit that isnt fully classified, a lot of it has been redacted. It's almost like People have this fantasy in their head that they want to be right... it's weird behavior.
and we need to have patience till all the details are in. waiting for the court case.
@@orangehoof You're right ... And 99.998% doesn't look good to a jury because there's still reasonable doubt even with the DNA 🤦♂️
I remember college. I remember party houses. A lot of stuff goes down in party houses, and the last thing you think of is a quadruple murder happening in your place.
Just look at what happened to Christine Blasey Ford. Except she couldn't really remember.
Honestly it’s a party house. It probably wasn’t that weird to see a strange man leaving her roommates room doing the walk of shame.
Hopefully, this tragic case will persuade other young people to live lives that do not attract the wrong kind of attention, and to take personal safety seriously. Partying may be the norm at colleges, but the main point of attending is to gain an education. I would be horrified to if my little grand-daughter became oblvious to her safety, or so trusting as to think it impossible for her to come to harm. We live in a dangerous world, not everyone is as they at first appear, we all need to be careful.
@@Rockoblocko He had to be covered in blood.....
@@Rockoblocko with a mask and knife
why could DM not text her roommates to see if they were ok, during those 8 hours before she called friends before calling police ?
why didnt she text each time she opened the door ? she knew something was up
The police had already come out there so many times about noise complaints and they sternly told them next time it would be a citation. I wonder if she was afraid about the police coming out again to the house over another "disruption." Especially since she was so unsure about what the disruption might have been. Someone also mentioned she might have thought the killer was actually the DoorDash delivery guy who had just come. Who knows? We all just know it couldn't have been malicious on her part.
I'm glad you picked up on the previous police complaint. The one the policeman was talking to was one of the victims.
Well said! I agree 💯
But, she heard crying
I don't know but I feel like something's wrong with that you see this man & you hear your friend's crying and you hear someone saying I'm going to help you and then she sees this man walking towards her she freezes goes into the room and locks the door wait hours before she calls the cops it just seems fishy like something's not right..
I disagree. Everything she heard or saw that we currently know about can be explained away as something else. There is really no reason why "murder" would have ever entered her mind. Maybe she had a bad feeling in her gut, but a lot of people explain those away and ignore gut instincts, especially when they're that young. I think it's important to realize that we don't know anything about the circumstances or her movements that night so we shouldn't jump to judgement.
Didn’t you watch the video? That’s literally what this is explaining..
we dont have all the details it will come with the court case. we need patience. it will all come out. theres lots of twists and turns to theis case. he did long planning before he commited to this.
You are seeing this in hindsight. You don't know what tone these things were said in. If she said "someone was here" maybe she/they thought they were just a roommates friend or aquantinene & they came over uninvited and just startled them. Crying is nothing abnormal, people cry for many reasons: breakup, fight, etc. Unless someone yelled help or screamed loudly, many people could try to & rationalize what happened. This is a small town in Idaho, not Chicago or New York. Those kids aren't thinking "killer in the house".
@darlingdeb7010 so if it can all be explained away, then why was she in shock?
I can’t help but wonder how she didn’t see blood on him , I mean stabbing 4 people and having nothing on you seems impossible .
Greek life is party life. She could have possibly been under the influence of substances and passed out or failed to comprehend the severity of the situation because of it. The affidavit is redacted. We don’t know the full extent of her response yet ❤
She can hear crying and someone saying someone is in the house but not the killings? Also why didn't she call the other roommates to see if they are okay. I think something is fishy
They lived in a college party house. People were in and out of that house all the time, day and night, Hearing “someone is here” was not out of the ordinary. Neither was crying, especially knowing people had just come home drunk. Everyone is looking back at her experience knowing the murders happened. She had no real reason to think realistically a gruesome stabbing just happened.
What about Bethany Funke though? Dylan (D.M.) wasn't the only survivor. I want to know what BF told the police.
Yes, strange how no statement from her in the affidavit
Me too
She was on the ground floor. I'm guessing she slept through it all. Probably was woken up by D.M. calling or texting her.
@@jasonroberts6080 Why would there be a "statement" from her in the affidavit if she slept through it? She wasn't a witness.
@@joralemonvirgincreche Well her initials are brought up in the affidavit so I was just wondering is that OK
CALL ME WHAT YOU WANT BUT ITS VERY SKETCHY. AND EVEN THEN IF SHE IN “SHOCK “ WHEN YOU MAKE THE FIRST CALL WHY CALL OTHER PEOPLE AND NOT THE POLICE
I commend this survivor and I pray for her healing 🙏❤️. Yes, I know traumatized shock from a homicidal event. Yes my therapist was involved. Yes I didn’t call the cops snd yes I wasn’t able to rationalize normally. Yes it happens.
@@designdestinyonline god bless you !
My mom died on my arms from heart attack... I never truly recover from that loss. Trauma is horrible, life sentence. 💔 I pray ppl find peace.
so sorry for your lost
There is no justification for her not calling the police.
Yes or even text 911. If medics had come, maybe someone may have even survived this horror.
I commend this survivor and I pray for her healing 🙏❤️. Yes, I know traumatized shock from a homicidal event. Yes my therapist was involved. Yes I didn’t call the cops snd yes I wasn’t able to rationalize normally. Yes it happens.
Yeah right 🤥
Hoping for your healing. I know the human mind can work in mysterious ways. Take care of yourself!
It is not the same thing. She went back to bed and went to sleep.
But how can she go back to sleep for 8 hours? How can someone be afraid and in a “frozen shock phase” but then go back to sleep as if nothing happened? She had to have moved about inside of the house during that 8-hour window. She didn’t go to the bathroom or anything?
Maybe she was drunk or on drugs or (most likely) she has a psychotic break. All I know is, it's not our place to make assumptions ❤️
If he had already committed the murders, wouldn’t he have been covered in blood when he walked by?
Bingo!!! If she saw bushy eyebrows she probably would have seen the blood too, hence the frozen in fear.
No. She DID NOT think it was a friend of their roommates. The affidavit literally says she stood there and froze in fear when she saw the killer.
And also never mind the fact that he was probably covered in blood and dripping blood
If some guys wife turns up dead & the husband claimed he may have seen an intruder but decided to go back to sleep, the police & prosecutor would be looking at this very differently.
True that! However what leads me to believe DM is innocent is because LE has so much evidence pointing at BK. The young girl may not have done what someone older would have done or someone a little more aware of her surroundings.. but often times people don’t know what to do during situations. It’s just sad because the defense is going to discredit her.
Exactly!!!
Even if they find a knife with another guy's DNA next to her body? Also a strange car circling and parking at their house in the middle of the night? Interesting...
Btw I know the angle you were going for ( poor men ) but most spouses are actually killed by their beloved husbands or wives ( if it's a case of domestic problems I mean ).
@@TreeofLife_111 she was highly drunk we know that. it takes couple of hours for the alcohol to leave it can stay for a while. she heard stuff and didnt comprehend it well. alcohol can do that and she probably froze as well or was too tired to stay up and by the time she woke up and realized what happened she was so many hours away.
@@susivarga7303 I just watched a 48 hours episode where the son finds mom injured, they live on a farm, and dad tried to drive his wife to hospital & they later used that against him & he is sitting in prison right now. In the Idaho case luckily they had evidence pretty early pointing at a specific person otherwise her story would be very suspect.
Let's spare a kind thought for her. She must have been frozen with fear. The poor girl.
Haha!!
Agree.. ppl come to conclusions so fast and I want to know how these behave if they were in that situation 🙄
I commend this survivor and I pray for her healing 🙏❤️. Yes, I know traumatized shock from a homicidal event. Yes my therapist was involved. Yes I didn’t call the cops snd yes I wasn’t able to rationalize normally. Yes it happens.
Frozen with fear for 8 hours? She would've also heard the car leave, how you can sleep after that is beyond me
My heart ❤️ goes out to her. Peace ✌️ and love to her. I’m glad that monster 👿 didn’t get her too. So sad 😞.
He didn't answer why Bryan Kohberger walked past a witness who could possibly identify him. Makes no sense at all.
I lived in a 5 bedroom party house people were in and out at all hours. Randoms walked into my room constantly. Your mind doesn’t go to quadruple murder. You’re almost too trusting. It’s weird.
Note to self if I'm being killed don't expect D.M. to help. Check.
I’m upset waiting for 8 hours is crazy to me. Some of your friends could have still been alive potentially they could have caught the killer sooner.
We to find out if DM used her phone in any capacity while locked in the room a whole 8 hours!
Then she managed to go to sleep and do nothing........Almost noon the next day before anyone reacted.
See masked man outside your bedroom after hearing scuffle and crying at 4am. Stand "frozen in shock", then turn around, lock door. Go to sleep for 8 hours. Call friends at NOON to come over... Then call 911. RIGHT.
What a great roommate, what a great friend, what a great person.
Facts! Sounds like a load of bull 💩. This psychiatrist don’t want to hurt feelings
Stop. Do you honestly think this roommate just didn't care about her friends? That she just couldn't be bothered to call the police? Come on. There has to be an explanation and it could be something very simple. Maybe she left her cell phone in the living room and was too afraid to go back out there to get it.
@@JenniferFitzgeraldLaw YES
Also, he did come back to the freaking house. If he had come back inside, she could have been an additional victim. I think he didn't see her and thought he killed everyone already. That was why when he went back he knew cops wouldn't be there because he killed everyone that lived there and maybe it wouldn't be reported for days. Who knows. It's not Dylan's fault that BRYAN went in and killed everyone she lived with! It's HIS fault. Not hers
@@nikkibarrowclough7562 No he knew others were in the house , because she yelled up to them to quiet down also.
If I was a drunk college kid, I would have done exactly the same. From the beginning of this case, the fact that the 911 call wasn't released and the details behind who made the call, the timing, etc - that lead me to believe that the surviving roommates had some major clues about the situation. Then the investigation only came up with - Be on the lookout for this car.....It was obvious that they were zeroing in on the suspect, but still no release of the 911 call. I was not surprised at all when they caught him in PA, a student from the neighboring college town. The killer was extremely stupid, to say the least.
there was really no reason to release the 911 call, as it was hardly even relevant to the murders.
Yea I thogojt the same too, the less they give you the more they probably know. People are just dumb and impatient.
*Something doesn't add up in the story of this roommate, and in the excuses people try to find her. Either she knew something was wrong and should've either checked on her roommates or at least dialled for help, or she thought nothing was wrong and it that case, why was she afraid? She can't have it both ways!*
Exactly and for people who think that she was afraid to call 911 cause she would make noise you can just dial the phone and leave it and not say anything and they have to show up anyway
@@jasonroberts6080 Or you can text someone and ask them to dial 911
You know damn well she was involved. The whole “poor girl froze” story is bull. 8 hours later she calls friends to come over and see her work?
There are many explanations. Her phone may have been in another room, and she was too terrified to leave. Maybe she fell asleep, thinking nothing had actually happened since she hadn't heard any more noises and had seen the man leave. She was probably still a bit drunk from going out earlier, too. I've noticed it's mostly males criticizing her. These same males seem to want to doubt Kohberger's guilt despite the clear evidence. Some murderous psycho male invaded her home and you're blaming her. Classic.
I do feel for her! But she watched him walk out the door! She could have run behind him after he left locked the door & dialed 911. She heard crying! Was he carrying a knife when she saw him? She could have waited a little while then checked her roommates! By phone or walked into Xana’s room seeing how now we think they were on the same floor!
Maybe I’m off but is it possible the roomate could have gone back to sleep once she locked herself in her room and thought that she had dreamed it all? That might explain why someone wasn’t called until later in the day?…
She'll probably use that as an alibi
To those who question DM not calling 911 sooner.
A. She didn't know a murder had taken place. B. She heard some noises that she would have no way of knowing was a murder. Moans cries and thumps aren't uncommon in college apartments. She locked her door because that's probably her habit if a stranger was there?
C. Have you met a 20 year old living away from home for thefirsttime? She woke to a silent house and called friends to help her. My 28-year-old daughter had smoke coming from the outlet in her apartment, and called her mom for advice, not 911
Give the girl a break!
You would think she would have called or text Maddie as it was her crying or talking and then the killer before walking past her. If they share a house together but not close or rarely speak to the now victims then that could make sense. Either way DM must have turned religious knowing she could have been killed without knowing at the time, the extent of the situation.
She was probably beyond afraid
@@ebonyfigueroa072587 and beyond drunk and her phone may have been in the bathroom or another place in the house
You hit the nail on the head 👏🏼
So why was she in a state of shock if she thought it was nothing?? Either she thought nothing of it or was so terrified she went into shock. It can't be both.
Didn't she call her friends? She called her friends to come over, and still another several hours after that the police were called. That's unacceptable. What an awful position to put your friends in! Calling them over to see that.
Maybe they had drugs in the house and she wanted her friends to come over and get the drugs out first... College party house so it makes sense.
Maybe the other roommate called their friends?
They’re guilty. Mark my words these girls are involved in the murder.
I am on the skeptic train here. Because the initial reports said that DM and BF were asleep in the first floor bedroom when the murders were committed. But the information in the affidavit doesn’t fit DM’s story. And what happened to BF? Was she sleeping the whole time too?
That's what I thought. I thought they called friends because they thought the roommates were "passed out." Not sure how one could conclude that if they hadn't even gone to check on their roommates.
For anyone wondering why she didn't call 911. She saw him leaving the house through the sliding glass door so she assumed that he was now gone and out of the house at the time she had no idea he was a killer. And for anyone wondering why the killer didn't kill DM. Its because the killer probably didn't see her. She saw him but he didn't see her
she saw his eyebrows? how did he not see her? the guy has peripheral vision...even if she saw his profile?It doesn't add up
@Josh Seba, but truly take a moment and visualize this. It’s 4 am and a weird man walks through your house after a concerning degree of commotion. He scares you to the point where you are frozen in fear… you have roommates in the home that you believe said “someone is here” and “it’s okay, I’m going to help you”…you were concerned enough to open your door 3 separate times…what do you do when that figure walks past you so close you can see his bushy eyebrows and out of the house?
sorry, but that excuse still doesn't add up. you say she didn't call 911 because she saw the intruder leave. and we know that she saw him leave. ok, that can make sense. but she is then saying she froze and she locked herself in her room for several more hours, out of fear. it can't be both. i don't think either makes sense even. if you are scared, you call 911, or you try to escape. she has a window. and if she had no reason to call 911, because she watched the guy leave the house, and didn't even know that anything bad had happened, then why lock yourself in your room. and why would you watch someone leave your home through the patio door, and they left it open, in the winter, and you didn't then go close it.
HE HAD A MASK on.... That is NOT Normal....
She said he saw her... they came face to face... that is how she knew he had "Bushy Eyebrows"
Let's hear about DMs phone activity before/after the murders??? What was her activity on the phone 4am-12pm?? 1am-4am?
My heart and prayers go out to all those affected. Survivor guilt is hell. Be kind and respectful of this young woman. 💔❤️🙏
..........8 hours, just went back.to sleep...
@@TribalThief She was probably half drunk and half asleep, enough with the blames
@jon davis she may have spent those 8 hours hiding in her room and afraid to come out or she may have passed out due to the sudden drop in cortisol in her body. She is a victim too and her whole life is turned upside down. Leave the poor girl alone. She didn't ask for this to happen and her calling 911 sooner would not have changed the outcome.
@@Sassypantsinpink When did she change her story?
@@TribalThief exactly.. Im sure the victims parents are LESS than thrilled.
The roommate's reaction is beyond me!
Mind blowing isn't it !!! This case was weird to begin with I'm happy they caught the murder but knowing that one of the victims lives could had been saved makes me angry I don't think someone that is so scared could just go to sleep never checking on roomates or dialing 911 why her friends bled out
@@latonya9414 dont speak on something you dont know
@@14isoldenough I can speak when I want to speak this is America it's called Freedom of Speech.. I'm sure I'm not the only one thinking DM is weird
@@14isoldenough only speaking about what was released and spoken in court so I think I will and can speak on this matter DM may could have saved a life
She could have called 911 and said nothing.
She could have possibly saved lives had she called 911. Im not buying this bs of being too scared or frozen to call. She can live with that the rest of her life. I honestly think she should be looked at as being involved.
I'm going to guess that her and the other survivor were texting and dismissed it as the other's having someone over. I don't think he saw her in the shadow of her door.
DM could have been locked in her room to begin with, and when she saw him she may have been shocked, like startled but then blew it off as someone, maybe a friend of the other roommates, and didn’t think anything happened. I am sure there is a explanation for this that is more innocent then everyone is thinking. I really feel for both the girls, they without a doubt not only are suffering severe sadness and PTSD over this but survivors guilt also. These poor kids have been through enough and definitely don’t need people accusing her of things or what not. Nobody knows how they would react in a situation like she was in unless they were there to know anyway. And I think she was suspicious because she did keep opening her door to check things out, but the rest will be known soon enough
I’m sorry but if the sounds coming from the murders were loud enough to be picked up by the neighbor’s security camera, there’s no chance in hell she thought everything’s fine.
@@zx1906 I concur. The security camera at 50' away going thru an exterior wall vs. inside and about 30' away.
@@zx1906 I agree 💯, actually said this on another post
@@zx1906 Has it occurred to you she may have been scared out of her skin and didn't know what to do? Has it occurred to you she may have been in denial? If you cannot say anything encouraging, just hold your peace. You were not there, you did not live it.
If she was in denial of what she saw,then how was she froze in fear? Supposedly she didn't think anything was wrong, so she wouldn't of had fear. She didn't know to be afraid. There is a reason BK didn't kill her. She was in on it. That is why BK asked if anyone else has been arrested. He was talking about her. The roommate that gave him hours to get cleaned up and get away.
That is kinda what I think also. We will find out in the future what the real deal is
Agreed. She was in on it in some way. Why would BK leave a witness? She called her friends instead of 911. She couldn't have been that frozen in fear. She saw a masked man in the home....an intruder. Call 911, not your friends. Jump out a window from your bedroom and run for help. Do something! Don't wait 8 hours.... for what!?!? Doesn't add up.
Faint, Freeze, Flight , or Fight. I faint!
Thank you, I've been stunned at the viciousness of the comments about this vulnerable young woman, who is also a victim. I'm so glad to hear a PROFESSIONAL explaining her behavior. She's been so vilified. Yet, she's also a victim. Why is this news anchor vilifying her? Reserve your scorn for the killer.
Those roommates know more than they’re letting on. Way too many inconsistencies. First they claimed they slept through the whole thing, now it’s “I saw Bryan Kohberger,” up close enough that I saw his bushy eyebrows…so why didn’t Bryan kill them then? Why bypass the two who claimed they were asleep during the murders, on the first floor, to kill the other 4?? Especially if they were close enough that one roommate could determine he had bushy eyebrows…if they were that close, they made eye contact…why would he risk leaving 2 people alive who could pin him at the scene??
What about the roommates going to sleep despite admitting they were scared and knew an intruder was in the house, wearing a ski mask…when months before it was “we didn’t wake up til 11 am…we slept through the whole thing…we had no clue!?” Like sorry, who tf is going to bed while they know an intruder is in the house. Not to mention they say they heard Xana crying…yet you miraculously fell asleep in the next 5 minutes when she was stabbed to death!? Y’all are delusional if you believe these white girl lies.
They're not delusional lol they have just a very low IQ
But surely she thought that she was in danger and would have called the police if only to protect herself .
The first truly sensible remark in the comments! @ Cheryl Moss
Glad somebody finally got a real psychologist to talk about this. That girl is going to need some serious therapy. I bet she feels a lot of guilt but she didn't do this, he did
Exactly
No one is accusing her of the crime. They’re accusing her of bad judgement in not calling for help until the following day at noon. 9 hours later.
@@mmarie1131 she didn't know there was a crime... How can she report one?
All this judgement of a young lady who was confused at 420am in a house that had mucking about and food deliverys going, is very unfair.
She went to sleep.. 8;hours later when she woke up, she discovered the worst thing imaginable.
It's shameful to read these comments from people who seem to think she should have behaved they would have, 2 months later with all the facts
Shameful.
@@mvubu6823 she didn’t have to know there was a crime to file a report of a suspicious looking person being in the home at 4am and cries from her roommates being heard. Many 13 year olds are capable of better judgement. Like I said, remind me to never have her babysit my children. She lacks good judgment and critical thinking skills.
@@mmarie1131 exactly or she could have at least called or FaceTime her roommates to check on them
This certainly doesn't bode well for Dylan. She should have called 911 ASAP. I've heard all the excuses, reasoning, etc... I just don't get it. Is she this desensitized? Dylan's behavior that night is concerning.
anyone can freeze mentally when they're confronted with the unexpected or unbelievibl. I was once asked by a motel house maid to help her in a locked guests room. The room had been lock with a chain for three days and she couldn't get in to clean. My first thought was she's not there or she'd have moved the towels to shower. Having small hands, I easly slid the chain lock aside from the outside. Sure enough, the girl was dead on the floor. I was so sick with flu and fever at the time, I told her to call the police and immediatlly laid down on that girls bed and went to sleep before police arrived. We just don't know what we'd do in unusual circumstances.
A loved one had a medical emergency. I froze and couldn't even remember the 911 on my phone. Thankfully, I did get it together and obtain help
Then you went to sleep? People do freeze up from fear the unknown true but why did this guy scare her that bad that night? Did she see a knife. Just seeing a masked man wouldn't scare a person enough to freeze up for so long you wouldn't think.
I couldn't unlock my phone to call 911! 😒 I was just so confused! And it wasn't even this bad. She must feel terrible, but it's not her fault.
Don't hang around you too long sheesh☠️
A friend died in my apartment in the late 70s. I was so shook I was unable to call 911. I tried but I couldn't get my fingers to push the correct buttons. So I went out on the balcony and screamed for help. Thankfully, someone heard me and called 911.
The issue is not the freezing up… it’s the freezing up being used as an excuse as to why she didn’t call 911 sooner!!
It was 8 HOURS after the commotion in the house that was loud enough to be picked up by the neighbor’s security camera audio!!!
If you see this message DM, then please know it is not your fault. I pray for you and I can’t imagine what you’re going through.
I commend this survivor and I pray for her healing 🙏❤️. Yes, I know traumatized shock from a homicidal event. Yes my therapist was involved. Yes I didn’t call the cops snd yes I wasn’t able to rationalize normally. Yes it happens.
Just went back to sleep for 8 hours? Please explain the stupidity
I hope one day she needs help and no one comes to her aid. Like how she did with her friends. Being "shocked" is such an excuse.
@@TribalThief exactly....it makes no sense.....there is no way I would go to sleep
Her public statement about the victims was uh....
This wasn't a home, it was basically a doss house, rooms within a building where although everyone knew each other they weren't all best friends. They were like ships passing in the night. Maybe she was used to people traipsing through the place all day long and didn't connect what she saw with murder. Either way she has no responsibility for anything that happened and people need to lay off her.
I agree. I believe D.M. acted the way she did because she wasn't particularly close to the other roommates. You don't even have to dislike your roommates to mind your own business: if you're not particularly close to them, you won't worry too much about them and you'll avoid getting involved in unpleasant situations for the sake of self-preservation.
My roommate told me that if someone was in a dire situation that needed CPR that he wouldn't do it because "you have to keep going once you start and it could take 45 minutes to get relieved and if they break a bone or die you could be held liable" so some people just can't be arsed to help. It's a sad cruel world.
(...I'd consider getting a new roommate...)
@@sdrizaI agree ……… imagine “Nope not helping you , you can just die” HEH??
Most places have a Good Samaritan law that protect people who give aid to the best of their ability, even if that doesn't save the person's life or health. In fact, just about every state has such a law.
@@sdriza EXACTLY. In any case, do not marry this guy.
I believe DM (the roommate) although she was scared and locked herself in her room, I think she went in her room and fell asleep, not knowing this masked man clad in black had stabbed her roommates and Ethan to death.
I get asking this question, I had a hard time understanding it too. I have also heard her phone was in another room charging. I believe she didn't know Kaylee, Maddie, Xana and Ethan had just been murdered by this guy. So I think it makes sense she fell asleep, and thus 911 wasn't called until 7-8 hours later. I would admonish everyone to withhold judgment on DM, she is a victim too, a victim who survived!! Please put yourselves in her shoes, and hold space for her, and withhold judgment. She will likely be a key witness, if not THE key witness in this case!!
Why is that she didn't have any outlets in her room?
maybe the sleeping was a trauma response, almost or actual narcolepsy, which is a stress respose.
Yeah, because when I'm scared, I also just fall asleep.
Why would she have a trama response IF she diddnt know what had happened to her roommates!?
This is the most white people shit I've ever heard.
I would expect better judgement out of someone her age. My teenager would know to call 911 if she saw a masked man and her cries in the house at 4am. Sorry not sorry
Exactly
THANK YOU!!! Nobody, absolutely nobody can say they would have done this or that.. That is horrible to have gone Through something Like that. I hope she does not have any guilt whatsoever I hope she gets all the Help and support she needs.. I think that's something we can all agree on
Except you. You know
Maybe you can't but I can. Even during a carjacking, I chose to drive into a ditch with the carjacker since I figured he was going to kill me anyway. And yes, I already knew if it ever happened, that would be the choice I would make, so absolutely yes, there are people who know what they would or would not do in certain situations. There are many females who have been murdered but left evidence of putting up a fight and some who did not put up a fight. There are no right or wrong answers, but people need to stop saying what some would absolutely would or would not do.
@@olgagiles5773 literally not the same
Doesn’t matter why she didn’t call for help now, she’s the one that will have to deal with that trauma for life wishing she would’ve done something differently
It does matter, it leaves a feeling of if she is an accomplice and you can be sure bks lawyer will use this as part of his defense.
@@Seashellsbytheseashore21 What? You think his attorney is going to say, "my client DID do it but he also had the help of the roommate despite the fact that we have zero evidence that the 2 ever knew each other or interacted aside from seeing each other once in the pitch dark for literally 2 seconds?" How does that help the case? It still means that he did it.
If you believe that BK is the killer, then you have to trust the PD's opinion that she wasn't involved. I'm not even going to address the endless reasons why it's clear she wasn't involved. It's obvious to rational people. The only ones who think she's involved are the same people who pointed fingers at at least 8 other people so far. That's a heck of a losing streak.
@@randomtees the lawyer will use dylan's actions, or more like LACK of actions, as cause for reasonable doubt. if they don't have much better dna evidence, and are relying on her as a witness, it won't be good.
Any chance he may have had an intimate relationship with the one he let live?
I've disassociated before for at least 2-3 hours at a time but 7-8 hours seems to be a stretch
Tired & maybe intoxicated.. Fell asleep. Did not her cell phone with her apparently
why isnt the media interviewing the roommates??
I would love to hear more from this Doctor, he sure makes a lot of sense!
If she had done something sooner like call the cops some of her friends might have survived... it certainly sounds like that!
most say it was already too late. I bet she thinks of that too. I sure wouldn't want to be in her shoes
Thank you so very much for the expert explanation. This unfortunate young lady will probably suffer from survivor's guilt and condemning her is only making it worse.
She suffering so bad she went out getting tattooed the victims initials on her she should feel guilty knowing she may had saved a life I can only imagine what these parents are feeling right now that their child may have been saved DM has shocked these victims families but doubt she feels guilty all DM is thinking is she survived
We would expect a 15 or 16 year old girl who was babysitting to have the maturity and ability to call police if she saw an intruder in the house . There’s more to this story . It can’t be drunk or high because she was aware and awake to noises , she got up 3 times and she locked her door
Back in my college days I was awakened one night by what I thought was the sound of my door opening and closing. Then I thought I heard my roomy being raped. I was so scared, I couldn't move, I couldn't call out. I wanted to scream for help but I couldn't make a noise. The next thing I knew I woke up. I had fallen asleep in my terror state. I was so relieved to see my roomy up and OK and I told her what had happened. She was hurt that I hadn't come to her aid or at least cried for help. I couldn't explain it to her. We always think we're going to act the brave person, but when something happens we don't really know how we will respond.
Another female testimonial stating how it's ok to be a victim. People died due to the negligence and lack of concern for another roomates. Just because you have no integrity and are a full grown coward didn't mean majority of the world is. Roommates are a accessory to murder
Why did she not call 911 immediately, she could have saved someone.
I commend this survivor and I pray for her healing 🙏❤️. Yes, I know traumatized shock from a homicidal event. Yes my therapist was involved. Yes I didn’t call the cops snd yes I wasn’t able to rationalize normally. Yes it happens.
Many psychiatrist have been a mental patient at one time themselves.
Psychiatrist has science, you do not.