M.2 drives are relevant for an Engineering / Design Workstation, this motherboard is ideal for that use. In a Workstation we used to have one or more RAID arrays nowadays you can use NVMe drives instead for Boot/Applications, Scratch/Output, and Data/Source. This is useful for Engineering Simulations and 3D Design workflows, the same applies to Multi-GPU for Compute usage. Again, this board is perfect for that. Thanks for such great content! I also like the videos you made for Gamers Nexus.
VFIO enthusiasts prefer X570 as it has better segregated iommu groups whereas B550 sucks at it due to the half baked default ACS implementation by asmedia.
The thing with M2 slots is cost per capacity is just going to keep dropping and modern SSDs have really good lifespans. And NVME (albeit PCI 3.0) is priced very similar and sometimes cheaper than SATA 2.5" So having a load of slots gives you the possibility of buying a 500GB/1TB drive now, then getting a 1TB/2TB even later, then a 2TB/4TB drive even later. You can buy the best value drive at the right moment and not worry about having to replace it later.
Something that I love of this improved lineup is finally, they moved the battery far from under the pcix16 armored slot. It was annoying. However, for who want to pay less but have one of those, the Gigabyte GA-X570S Aorus Pro AX it's around 20% less expensive and give everything most users need. It's called " PRO" but it's more likely an improved version of the Ultra. Still, good mobo and thanks to share.
@@Raivo_K For me it does. I don't want it to be under a place where I have to put 2 and half slots of gpu. I already experienced a completely frozen pc and take out the battery, was the only thing that did help. So absolutely yes, I like more to have the battery where my hands can reach it easily.
Just ordered the X570S Aorus Pro and 5900x. Turns out my 4790k doesn't cut it for BF 2042. Hopefully I get revision 1.0 and not the mediatek revision 1.1.
@@Raivo_K I'd say MAYBE if you're someone who does extensive overclocking (especially memory OC.) Sometimes I've had several attempts to Clear CMOS do nothing where removing the CMOS battery for a few minutes ended up working. Pretty niche but to each their own -- everyone has different product preferences.
I just love the memory OC commentary we get in almost every video. BZ, if you get bored, try ECC DIMMS. 8 ranks of DJR runs at 3800 on Ryzen, until ECC is enabled, then it's 3733 with ~7 attempts to train on boot lol.
Even if it sounds contrary: Would be very curious what would be possible with ECC UDIMMs if someone really knowledgeable tunes them. Bumping up the DDR4 frequency with loose auto timings is quite easy but as soon as you touch the timings it gets hairy pretty quickly.
I did memory overclock a threadripper server I built up to 3600 IRRC not to OC but to force it to throw errors in both memtest and Windows. I wasn’t able to make it unstable. Not that it didn’t report any errors but it was rock solid. I let go after that. Windows never crashed etc. It had total of 16 ranks. There were no 2 rank 32 gig sticks like there is now. I would have used those and they are both in 2666 and 3200 MT/s variants. Wow. I kind of wanna build a Ryzen 5700G with 128G RAM.
@@KaziQTR Tested a 4750G with 2 x 32 GB Micron DDR4-3200 ECC UDIMMs on a Gigabyte B550 Vision D, went up to DDR4-4000 with loose auto timings. Note that if you want ECC enabled with APUs you have to get the “PRO” SKUs like the 5750G, for example.
@@abavariannormiepleb9470 I have the 4350G Pro paired with 2 x 8G ECC. Thanks for the heads up. I think regular 5700G will also be ok but no reason to risk it. Regular Ryzen desktop CPUs such as 5800X have no problem enabling ECC AFAIK.
@@abavariannormiepleb9470 Just FYI, I paired a 5800X, ASUS X570 Pro and ECC UDIMMs last week without problems. Except for it didn't boot at first cuz of old BIOS :D. With BIOS update it was able to recognize the CPU. Beware the motherboard gets stuck at RAM phase even though it's the CPU that it can't recognize. I used a 3000 CPU to boot and then BIOS update.
You should really do the ASUS proart creator x570 and ROG Crosshair extreme 8 x570 refreshes…. I’ve been sitting on the ability to get you 61.5 MP shots of these things for a couple months now, I’d love for people to hear your take on these boards. Let me know if you’re interested. And keep up the good work ☝️😎
@@jeremymoon9088 I’ve been using this motherboard model since late 2021. The first three available UEFI versions had been rough, no issues in the present with AGESA 1207.
It is a great board, but they decided to make it Rocket Science to remove all the frilly stuff to swap-out the WiFi module for 6E or 7. Is there some hidden lesson plan for learning what to do for that? in order to successfully swap it out. Yopurs look radically different from this one, at the same price. Three M.2 slots on the (Rev. 1.2) board. If installing three NVMe lose SATA 4 & 5, so stuck a 2TB SATA M.2 SSD in. An xtra x1 slot on it also. Which (Rev. 1.?) is this one? the 1.2 still has the Dual BIOS, with two single pole-double throw switches. And do not see what you are talking about with your older rev.. Using the Clear CMOS button on the rear is a chore compared to just shorting the twin pins by thr front panel header.. It REQUIRES the power supply unplugged, and once it did not reset anything after thirty seconds, so at least a minu8te holding i9t there, so I bought an external switch for the one using the motherboard jumpers outside the case. Yours looks way different. Thankn
When I was in school a bit more than a decade ago the dual BIOS was a standout feature because it mitigates the risk of corruption. So when he asked why even bother with dual BIOS I was like duh! But then I thought about it and can't remember when was the last time I heard about someone corrupting their motherboard BIOS
2000 was when i last recall it happen to someone i knew at the time, was a gb board as well lol Stupid duel bios caused me grief with out of date back-up refusing to post with my 5900x on a x570 pro wi-fi after a lock-up when trying to save and exit from smartfan page, which seems flaky on f34, fine saving anywhere else.
I currently run a Gigabyte X77X-UD3H, a mother board from 2013-ish, which has dual-bios. I remember the bios corrupting a few times when I was trying to OC my i5 3570k a few years ago. I also remember earlier versions of Windows 10 would always corrupt the bios when ever I ran a startup repair. (Yes, my computer is almost 10 years old, and I'm planning on upgrading soon.)
PCIe 4.0 M.2 slots get my juices flowing! Since my Taichi is being RMA'd for a faulty chipset, I ordered one of these instead. Thanks for the feedback on it!
6:54 pics or it didn't happen. that data is being put out whether it is captured or not. and yes capturing it in software might mean a hair (a hair) of cpu usage, but those sensors are outputting the data at all times, your software is only capturing what is already there. so show or go.
Hi I really enjoy your motherboards reviews and how much you know about them, I know you like B550's but if you want to choose from new X570s motherboards which one you would like better Gigabyte X570s Aorus Master or MSI MPG x570s Carbon Max
More PCIe - Absolutely! If a user wants M.2/NVMe they can plug in an adaptor card which would theoretically give the card better cooling via airflow and it makes installation so much easier.
Yup, I even did put my SN850 on a PCie adapter card rather than in one of my X570 Aorus Pro M2 slots, as it went as high as 80C under load... down to 60ish now!
@@pascaldifolco4611 I didn't get a temperature drop quite that low in My X570 HERO but the temperature drop was significant enough to merit an adapter card for this reason among others. There is also the given consideration that some cards will include the option of adding more than one drive, be it SATA, M.2, or NVMe. I suppose it is a matter of preference. Some people value having options.
Installing any PCI-e expansion card in a gaming PC is undesirable as it will nesasarily disrupt airflow to the GPU when mounted in a standard configuration.
I'm about to build a system with this board and was pondering the same because I'd need to get another 8 pin cable mod braided cable to do it...from everything I've read and seen, it is not needed unless you're going to do some extreme overclocking.
@@GSP-76 one single 8 pin cpu cable delivers almost 400w. There is no way you get to that without LN2 so, one cable is completely fine. Just remember the old AM3+, All of the just have one cpu 8 pin header. And FX keep the OC record over 8GHz all core with those motherboards.
I barely understood the RAM slot part. But does that mean it's not recommended if say I have the X570S Aorus Master and a 5900X and need 64GB RAM, but the only RAM kits available to me are two of those 2x16 Kingston Fury 3200 kits? We're at a drought of reasonably priced/available RAM kits here.
I agree with the need for manual Dual BIOS so hard. I made the unfortunate mistake of getting a Z390 Ultra instead of a Master, and while most of the board is great the dual bios is absolutely infurating to use. It's great for some things but I really wish there were a dumb physical switch.
I know you said you dont cover audio.. BUT .. since you have the board I am assuming you used it.... HOW DO YOU GET THE audio to work.... I have been to 2 different repair shops... I myself do repairs... have dealt with one of the online TH-cam repair folks that was doing an install of this board but no-one seems to be able to get the audio on mine to work
Haven't had any problems with dual bios on x570 am. In fact it has even saved me after corrupting the bios once. Was able to restore the corrupt bios to working.
3rd m.2 is shared with the PCIe x4 slot, I don't think there are any limitations on the rest of the m.2 slots. I have this board and already use 2 NVMe drives and have plans to get another one later on. Also can confirm, could never get the safe boot to work which really annoyed me.
@@xLeelix I mean safe boot, boots the system with all overclocks turned off I'm pretty sure so you don't have to reset CMOs everytime you dial in an unstabvle OC.
It's in the manual, LoL. M2-3 and M2-4 cause you either to give up PCIe slot #3 or Sata 5+6, or both if you run NVMe M2 in both slots. Only the CPU-M2 and the 1. Chipset-M2 have no strings attached. Safe Boot, how many times should it fail booting before the Safe Boot kicks in. On Asus it's like 6 unsuccessful auto-retries before it starts in Safe Mode..and that can take a LONG time. Gigabyte I havent tested the boards I build that much, need to wait for mine to arrive and find out. Clearing CMOS is faster in that regard than waiting for 6 boot errors. Wasted hours there ;)
@@bitmaster6542 When it comes to safe boot I'm talking specifically about the button, that shit just plain never works. I know about the auto kick it, I've let it happen on this board already when messing with MemOC, and yeah it ended up being faster just clearing CMOs when it was unstable instead, also easy because the BIOs profiles save over CMOs resets. Also forgot about the whole stealing Sata ports, I don't use Sata at all anymore so I kinda ignore that.
Have you had any issues with the USB disconnecting under high CPU load? I was able to reproduce this with Prime95 on small FFTs and games. In additional the i225-V rev 1 NIC also disconnects very frequently. I've updated the BIOS, installed the latest chipset and NIC drivers, etc. It seems like either a defunct board or a hardware flaw in the design. I would appreciate your feedback since you are very in depth in the hardware tracing side. Cheers.
@xsillycarnifex Oh wow! Didn't think that was possible with amd. Thinking of getting a 5700x for an upgrade to a 9700K but I guess I better wait for am5 prices to drop.
I am using a Ryzen 7 2700X what would you think about that build. I'm having a problem with that POWER BUTTON on the MOTHERBOARD. I have to push it each time I turn the PC back On.
Just got this for $230 with free shipping from New Egg. Figured if I'm going to keep my 5800X3D for a while, I might as well put it in the best mobo I can afford.
Yeah I haven't pushed my patriot blackout DR 4x32 harder than 3600mhz in the x570s master yet. It's at capacity. Fwiw it's using 2gb hynix m-die mjr ic modules (H5ANAG8NMJR-VKC).
To make sure: to disable automatic dual bios on the two button non-S original Master, should I put the first switch on single bios, then if the pc fails to boot, I switch the second button to the other bios? I’ve had it so far on dual bios, which is automatic, right? I’ve had a couple boot failures when it switched back and forth between the two bios’s, eventually settling on one. Is this the automatic behavior and BZ is saying I should be doing this manually? The manual doesn’t go into much depth on this. Any help welcome, thx.
it's not clear to me if 4x8 (single rank sticks) or 2x16 (dual rank sticks) is more performant on this motherboard? this would be for a competitive gaming application- any insight would be much appreciated. I'm guessing I can look at the official qualified vendors memory support list to answer my own question with regard to best memory configuration for this board?
I built my new PC for ripping dvd/bluerays, gaming, and video editing. Could I expect my 5800x to go to 4.9ghz ...and (4x8GB) 3600 cl-16 ram to go to 3800 cl-14? I got this board on sale for $317 before xmas. The 4 m.2 ssd, the audio (I'm an audiophile), wifi 6, and power solution (I'm an overclocker), it all just made sense. Especially when considering I will have it in service in my family for at least ten years.
Hey , My Gigabyte X570S Aorus Master died last week (still in warrenty) , The shop and importer say there is no stock of the MB. The store offers me X570S AERO G or X570 AORUS MASTER as a replacement .. or 70% cash of what i pay ..what should i take?
I got one now with I do believe to be a corrupt bios error code 54 to 4d and hangs on 4d with dram light on, sent in to gigabyte rma the said they reprogrammed/ replaced bios chipset and then tested and sent it back, recived it Saturday and tested it Monday and still same error 4d hanging and dram light...
3:28 i can see where you are coming from but slow down and think about it. this is a consumer board, how many pcie devices do you have in your current primary build? how many do you expect the common gamer to have? this thing is over-provisioned if anything.
Buildzoid was probably being hyperbolic, but do people actually mash delete to get into the BIOS? Try just holding it. Only time I've seen that not work on recent hardware was with a keyboard that had its delete key multiplexed by a function key.
So i have the x570 non S..usb 3.2 is nice if your using one of the blazingly fast 2022 flagships Samsung tab S8 models it comes with double usb 3.2 cord Use with DEX
This does seem overpriced, I guess if you fill all the PCIe lanes $50 doesn't matter that much. One question: Does the 'S' chipset use less power than the vanilla x570? Those tiny fans are worse than coil whine. I'm looking forward to part 2 where you cover the PCIe/ M.2 config*.😉 *Can split the x16 lanes to x8+x8 or x8+x4+x4. So 3x M.2 drives direct to the CPU if it's the same setup as the previous Aorus Master.
@@Silverhks That original X570 chipset was rated at 15W TDP. I think this is the Revision 2. If not, how is it possible to cool the chipset passively since all Intel Ultrabooks with 15W CPU must have a fan.
I have the first version of X570 Aorus Master, it does have a fan on the chipset, but I don't hear it at all when it is running. The only advantage of X570 over B550 is the 2nd PCIe slot can take PCIe 4.0 SSD . You can do RAID 0 to get insane IOPS . Upcoming Microsoft DirectStorage which is already in XBox consoles promises better fps with faster storage.
I like the 4 m.2 slots since goind cross riser can be aa bit weird for a raid 5, but theres litterally 4 20110 m.2s out there so why not jsut have the shorter slots and keep an 4 slot? asus did it and now gigabyte is copying asus
I bought this mb a week ago and with the Asus strix 3080ti and have been experience coil whining suspect that it’s coming from the mb , is it just a faulty set or should I be switching to another brand of motherboard? It’s my first time buying a gigabyte/Aorus product. Also my PSU is a 1000w seasonic gold. Thanks, any help is greatly appreciated! 😊
From what Ive read the Asus Strix gpus are known for coil whine. I haven’t heard of a mb having coil whine, so I would guess it’s the Strix - but I’m no expert.
@@cgsather3309 You may be right, brought it to the store for check and they said it's the gpu, i heard on yt and reddit that MB can have coil whine in their VRM too
@@LYJManchesterUnited yes, I have since learned that the mb can have coil whine too. Fortunately, my Master doesn’t, in fact I never even hear the chipset fan. It’s been a great board so far.
The automatic dual bios lets the board update both bioses in one go via q-flash plus. This does not work if the auto-switching is turned off (at least on my Z490 master).
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking True for most overclockers. But they can deal with this anyway. The unexperienced user going high-end is a different story. And I myself have the same bios version for both but have one stable daily overclock and one where I experiment.
@@ole7736 I'm pretty sure the autoswitching is bad for either of the cases you presented. Like if a noob user turns on xmp and tries tuning some settings and they dont work and they get flipped over to the other bios, they're not going to realize and are going to have a headache trying to figure out what happened. In your case autoswitching is also a hindrance since you really want to manually control if you're tuning your experimental settings or not, you don't want to sketch out your daily settings.
@@Raivo_K Why downgrade? Master has more nvme slots, also has usb 2x2. Xtreme has no usb 2x2. Xtreme used to be good when it was the only fanless option, but now it's overpriced and the only advantage is that it has 8 PCB layers which makes no difference anyway
@@AndresReviews It has one more M.2 slot. The same can be achieved on the Xtreme with a PCIe card. USB 3.2 requires compatiible devices and thus far there are not too many of those. Besides one of the original revsions brought the TB header to the Xtreme and TB is still faster than USB 3.2 anyway. Xtreme has overbuilt cooling because it's passve and Dual-NIC and Dual-BIOS. Both things the X570S version lacks. I mean if you already have the Xtreme it makes no sense to downgrade to the Master. Buying new i would argue the old Master is actually better. I doubt anyone is buying Xtreme these days tho. For that kind of money the EVGA X570 Dark is miles better.
@@Raivo_K well, you actually convinced me. The only problem is that my Xtreme is v1.2 and this older revision lacks Active OC Tuner. I own one Xtreme 1.0 for over a year and a half with 3950X and don't plan to change it. But I need a second PC and alredy bought 5950X + Xtreme 1.2, which are still brand new and unopened. I bought them before X570S was released. So now I thought it was not a good idea, trying to sell the Xtreme which is brand new but I believe finding a buyer won't be easy. In any way even if I decided to stay with Xtreme I still would like to have the one ver.2.0 wchich has the Active OC Tuner. But if I sell my current Xtreme it will be a hard decision to buy a new Xtreme 2.0 instead of just new Master. Dual-NIC is great, but practically useless for me since I use one gigabit connection. Same goes for dual bios, never been used by me. 8 layers of PCB is interesting though, but since I use 4 sticks of dual rank ram the CPU controller can't handle the OC anyway so 8 layers won't help it either
@@AndresReviews Have you tried 5950X on your Xtreme that currently runs 3950X? OC Tuner should be 5000 series dependant not a motherboard feature. It should show up in the BIOS once you pop in 5950X.
DONT BUY THAT GARBAGE. I have that PIECE OF SHIT. The worst combination is Gigabyte X570 Master with 3959X. Everything happens on this computer. Freeze, crash, stop working, switch off.
For Windows 11 I enable fTPM on my x570 aorus master and get debug code 9E from AA/AO. This pisses me off that now I have to look at 9E code to run Win11.
I have the same motherboard. 9E is not an error code, it's a "Regular Boot" code. It simply alerts you that fTPM is enabled. It's not as pretty as A0, but there's nothing wrong with it. The error code ranges are 50-5F and D0-D1, as stated in the motherboard manual, page 93.
@@Lurker-dk8jk yeah I know it's not an error code. It's an ugly ftpm status code. I have a 7inch lcd screen (displays temps and shit) inside my case that's right next to the debug code so I look at it all the time. So annoying.
@@mckayver1306 On the same UEFI/BIOS page as "AMD CPU fTPM" you will find an option for "Onboard Debug Port LED". Set this to "Off" (why would anybody need a debug code after system start?) >>> Problem solved. Your welcome.
5:25 Holy crap, so THAT's why I have to clear CMOS with bad settings and memory overclock fail retry barely ever works? I held off watching this video because I just really didn't care about this board, but now I'm glad I watched it because I had not run into this information anywhere else. I actually permanently moved my cases reset button to CLR_CMOS because I got so fed up with watching it fail over and over when I'm OC'ing memory. Personally AGESA hasn't sabotaged my memory overclock thus far, in fact it's been the opposite, and I've been able to tighten things up a bit on more recent AGESA versions. But I have encountered other people who have had their memory OC wrecked from updates, but it's been a while since I've seen it happen.
"From 5 years ago, what do you mean, its old?" I still use a galaxy s5 (released in 2014) it is a phone it plays MP3 files, a phone can't do anything better than my computer expect play mp3s on a battery and be small the only thing i have with a USB-C plug on it is a MSI B550I board and that is just a ram OC toy
Thank you for the very informative explanation of the board. You would sound even better if you leave out the sarcasm ("if you can read the manual.. it has words in it"). Best regards from Germany
I recently bought this board and it's the same-old GigaByte garbage. With everything else identical, the X570s Master required 1.450VDIMM just to POST 3600MHz CL16 XMP (was completely unstable under stress test, though). Meanwhile the same CPU and DIMMs can run 3600MHz CL14 @ 1.400VDIMM on my cheap $150 MSI board without breakin a sweat. I can *NOT* recommend any X570(s) products from GigaByte.
M.2 drives are relevant for an Engineering / Design Workstation, this motherboard is ideal for that use. In a Workstation we used to have one or more RAID arrays nowadays you can use NVMe drives instead for Boot/Applications, Scratch/Output, and Data/Source. This is useful for Engineering Simulations and 3D Design workflows, the same applies to Multi-GPU for Compute usage. Again, this board is perfect for that. Thanks for such great content! I also like the videos you made for Gamers Nexus.
VFIO enthusiasts prefer X570 as it has better segregated iommu groups whereas B550 sucks at it due to the half baked default ACS implementation by asmedia.
Yeah, X570 can split off almost everything into its own IOMMU group, which is insanely nice.
Planning to do a VFIO system and went x570 for that reason
The thing with M2 slots is cost per capacity is just going to keep dropping and modern SSDs have really good lifespans.
And NVME (albeit PCI 3.0) is priced very similar and sometimes cheaper than SATA 2.5"
So having a load of slots gives you the possibility of buying a 500GB/1TB drive now, then getting a 1TB/2TB even later, then a 2TB/4TB drive even later.
You can buy the best value drive at the right moment and not worry about having to replace it later.
Thanks for all the informative reviews. I've learned so much from watching these vids
Something that I love of this improved lineup is finally, they moved the battery far from under the pcix16 armored slot. It was annoying. However, for who want to pay less but have one of those, the Gigabyte GA-X570S Aorus Pro AX it's around 20% less expensive and give everything most users need. It's called " PRO" but it's more likely an improved version of the Ultra. Still, good mobo and thanks to share.
Does the battery placement really matter when the board has clear cmos button?
@@Raivo_K For me it does. I don't want it to be under a place where I have to put 2 and half slots of gpu. I already experienced a completely frozen pc and take out the battery, was the only thing that did help. So absolutely yes, I like more to have the battery where my hands can reach it easily.
Just ordered the X570S Aorus Pro and 5900x. Turns out my 4790k doesn't cut it for BF 2042. Hopefully I get revision 1.0 and not the mediatek revision 1.1.
@@Raivo_K I'd say MAYBE if you're someone who does extensive overclocking (especially memory OC.) Sometimes I've had several attempts to Clear CMOS do nothing where removing the CMOS battery for a few minutes ended up working.
Pretty niche but to each their own -- everyone has different product preferences.
@@Raivo_K the classic way to reset bios. turn off the computer, turn off the power, remove the bios battery, close the jumper
12:40 Actually the funny thing is most server GPUs uses the same CPU 8 pin connector because it delivers more current with less physical cables.
I just love the memory OC commentary we get in almost every video. BZ, if you get bored, try ECC DIMMS. 8 ranks of DJR runs at 3800 on Ryzen, until ECC is enabled, then it's 3733 with ~7 attempts to train on boot lol.
Even if it sounds contrary: Would be very curious what would be possible with ECC UDIMMs if someone really knowledgeable tunes them. Bumping up the DDR4 frequency with loose auto timings is quite easy but as soon as you touch the timings it gets hairy pretty quickly.
I did memory overclock a threadripper server I built up to 3600 IRRC not to OC but to force it to throw errors in both memtest and Windows. I wasn’t able to make it unstable. Not that it didn’t report any errors but it was rock solid. I let go after that. Windows never crashed etc. It had total of 16 ranks. There were no 2 rank 32 gig sticks like there is now. I would have used those and they are both in 2666 and 3200 MT/s variants. Wow. I kind of wanna build a Ryzen 5700G with 128G RAM.
@@KaziQTR
Tested a 4750G with 2 x 32 GB Micron DDR4-3200 ECC UDIMMs on a Gigabyte B550 Vision D, went up to DDR4-4000 with loose auto timings. Note that if you want ECC enabled with APUs you have to get the “PRO” SKUs like the 5750G, for example.
@@abavariannormiepleb9470 I have the 4350G Pro paired with 2 x 8G ECC. Thanks for the heads up. I think regular 5700G will also be ok but no reason to risk it. Regular Ryzen desktop CPUs such as 5800X have no problem enabling ECC AFAIK.
@@abavariannormiepleb9470 Just FYI, I paired a 5800X, ASUS X570 Pro and ECC UDIMMs last week without problems. Except for it didn't boot at first cuz of old BIOS :D. With BIOS update it was able to recognize the CPU. Beware the motherboard gets stuck at RAM phase even though it's the CPU that it can't recognize. I used a 3000 CPU to boot and then BIOS update.
You should really do the ASUS proart creator x570 and ROG Crosshair extreme 8 x570 refreshes…. I’ve been sitting on the ability to get you 61.5 MP shots of these things for a couple months now, I’d love for people to hear your take on these boards. Let me know if you’re interested. And keep up the good work ☝️😎
You did see J2C vids about these isn't it ? 😉
Would be very interested in an analysis of the ASUS ProArt X570-CREATOR - seems to be the best X570 motherboard onboard IO-wise.
Still waiting… i mean even the b550 proart would be a good review 🤦🏻♂️
Yea, I don't think its coming....
@@jeremymoon9088 I’ve been using this motherboard model since late 2021. The first three available UEFI versions had been rough, no issues in the present with AGESA 1207.
It is a great board, but they decided to make it Rocket Science to remove all the frilly stuff to swap-out the WiFi module for 6E or 7. Is there some hidden lesson plan for learning what to do for that?
in order to successfully swap it out.
Yopurs look radically different from this one, at the same price.
Three M.2 slots on the (Rev. 1.2) board.
If installing three NVMe lose SATA 4 & 5, so stuck a 2TB SATA M.2 SSD in.
An xtra x1 slot on it also.
Which (Rev. 1.?) is this one?
the 1.2 still has the Dual BIOS, with two single pole-double throw switches. And do not see what you are talking about with your older rev..
Using the Clear CMOS button on the rear is a chore compared to just shorting the twin pins by thr front panel header..
It REQUIRES the power supply unplugged, and once it did not reset anything after thirty seconds, so at least a minu8te holding i9t there, so I bought an external switch for the one using the motherboard jumpers outside the case.
Yours looks way different.
Thankn
This board replaced 3 failed Xtreme's, dual bios didn't save them.
Master has been solid since 👌
When I was in school a bit more than a decade ago the dual BIOS was a standout feature because it mitigates the risk of corruption. So when he asked why even bother with dual BIOS I was like duh! But then I thought about it and can't remember when was the last time I heard about someone corrupting their motherboard BIOS
Have done this. Dual bios saved the day
2000 was when i last recall it happen to someone i knew at the time, was a gb board as well lol Stupid duel bios caused me grief with out of date back-up refusing to post with my 5900x on a x570 pro wi-fi after a lock-up when trying to save and exit from smartfan page, which seems flaky on f34, fine saving anywhere else.
I currently run a Gigabyte X77X-UD3H, a mother board from 2013-ish, which has dual-bios. I remember the bios corrupting a few times when I was trying to OC my i5 3570k a few years ago. I also remember earlier versions of Windows 10 would always corrupt the bios when ever I ran a startup repair.
(Yes, my computer is almost 10 years old, and I'm planning on upgrading soon.)
also thank you for this super informative video- I haven't built a computer in years so I'm getting back up to speed on whats what in 2021! :)
"From 5 years ago, what do you mean, its old?"
*me fixing my 15 year old car*
What do you mean its old?
Why doesn't buildzoid running old af stuff next to his top of the line memory kits, gpus and cpus doesn't surprise me lmao
"It has words in it. You should read them sometimes."
*dies*
I love your ranting. I don't even have a pc. I just come here, for the rants.
Ah, Yes... Salty Buildzoid doing a PCB-Breakdown. So much entertainment
When you have the chance can you also do a review of the evga x570 dark?
PCIe 4.0 M.2 slots get my juices flowing! Since my Taichi is being RMA'd for a faulty chipset, I ordered one of these instead. Thanks for the feedback on it!
6:54 pics or it didn't happen. that data is being put out whether it is captured or not. and yes capturing it in software might mean a hair (a hair) of cpu usage, but those sensors are outputting the data at all times, your software is only capturing what is already there. so show or go.
Hi I really enjoy your motherboards reviews and how much you know about them, I know you like B550's but if you want to choose from new X570s motherboards which one you would like better Gigabyte X570s Aorus Master or MSI MPG x570s Carbon Max
thanks for the video! Is it better than b550 unify-x for memory oc on Samsung b-die dual rank 2x16?
More PCIe - Absolutely! If a user wants M.2/NVMe they can plug in an adaptor card which would theoretically give the card better cooling via airflow and it makes installation so much easier.
Yup, I even did put my SN850 on a PCie adapter card rather than in one of my X570 Aorus Pro M2 slots, as it went as high as 80C under load... down to 60ish now!
@@pascaldifolco4611 I didn't get a temperature drop quite that low in My X570 HERO but the temperature drop was significant enough to merit an adapter card for this reason among others. There is also the given consideration that some cards will include the option of adding more than one drive, be it SATA, M.2, or NVMe. I suppose it is a matter of preference. Some people value having options.
Installing any PCI-e expansion card in a gaming PC is undesirable as it will nesasarily disrupt airflow to the GPU when mounted in a standard configuration.
@@zig131 Well, a standard configuration isn't what you want for a gaming rig anyway :)
I understand you don’t need two 8pin connectors for the CPU, but is there a downside to having them both plugged in?
I'm about to build a system with this board and was pondering the same because I'd need to get another 8 pin cable mod braided cable to do it...from everything I've read and seen, it is not needed unless you're going to do some extreme overclocking.
@@GSP-76 one single 8 pin cpu cable delivers almost 400w. There is no way you get to that without LN2 so, one cable is completely fine.
Just remember the old AM3+, All of the just have one cpu 8 pin header. And FX keep the OC record over 8GHz all core with those motherboards.
@@SiliconPower74 Yeah it's not needed..I was just thinking "it's there I should probably plug it in" lol..
Why do you like USB ports so much? I usually use like 3 or 4 max. Would way rather have more SATA tbh.
I use 9. I would rather have plenty than not enough.
thinking about getting this board today so here i am to listen to the pro! lol
I barely understood the RAM slot part. But does that mean it's not recommended if say I have the X570S Aorus Master and a 5900X and need 64GB RAM, but the only RAM kits available to me are two of those 2x16 Kingston Fury 3200 kits? We're at a drought of reasonably priced/available RAM kits here.
I agree with the need for manual Dual BIOS so hard. I made the unfortunate mistake of getting a Z390 Ultra instead of a Master, and while most of the board is great the dual bios is absolutely infurating to use. It's great for some things but I really wish there were a dumb physical switch.
If you have 3950x, Dont buy this mobo. the wrost combation. i regretted
@@ejer. What issues did you see? I have a 3950x and am considering this board. Would love to hear your input on this.
Wow, someone peed in Buildzoid's cheerios - "Go read the manual, I don't care" :O
Hi was just wondering if you knew whether the x570 master rev 1.2 had the updated daisy chain topology that the x570s has? Thanks
I know you said you dont cover audio.. BUT .. since you have the board I am assuming you used it.... HOW DO YOU GET THE audio to work.... I have been to 2 different repair shops... I myself do repairs... have dealt with one of the online TH-cam repair folks that was doing an install of this board but no-one seems to be able to get the audio on mine to work
Haven't had any problems with dual bios on x570 am. In fact it has even saved me after corrupting the bios once. Was able to restore the corrupt bios to working.
I just bought this board on a great deal for $225 new... looking forward to putting it into action.
where did you buy it? I'm looking to get one as well but saw it around 340
3rd m.2 is shared with the PCIe x4 slot, I don't think there are any limitations on the rest of the m.2 slots. I have this board and already use 2 NVMe drives and have plans to get another one later on. Also can confirm, could never get the safe boot to work which really annoyed me.
@@xLeelix I mean safe boot, boots the system with all overclocks turned off I'm pretty sure so you don't have to reset CMOs everytime you dial in an unstabvle OC.
It's in the manual, LoL. M2-3 and M2-4 cause you either to give up PCIe slot #3 or Sata 5+6, or both if you run NVMe M2 in both slots. Only the CPU-M2 and the 1. Chipset-M2 have no strings attached. Safe Boot, how many times should it fail booting before the Safe Boot kicks in. On Asus it's like 6 unsuccessful auto-retries before it starts in Safe Mode..and that can take a LONG time. Gigabyte I havent tested the boards I build that much, need to wait for mine to arrive and find out. Clearing CMOS is faster in that regard than waiting for 6 boot errors. Wasted hours there ;)
@@bitmaster6542 When it comes to safe boot I'm talking specifically about the button, that shit just plain never works. I know about the auto kick it, I've let it happen on this board already when messing with MemOC, and yeah it ended up being faster just clearing CMOs when it was unstable instead, also easy because the BIOs profiles save over CMOs resets. Also forgot about the whole stealing Sata ports, I don't use Sata at all anymore so I kinda ignore that.
Just got it and I'm soooo EXCITED 😁😁😁😁😁
Guys, is anyone aware if monoblock which is designed for regular Master gonna be compatible with this one?
1:55 already enjoying this, I'll go ahead and use the x4 lane coming from the cpu directly, beyond that, I really see no purpose of those anyway.
Have you had any issues with the USB disconnecting under high CPU load? I was able to reproduce this with Prime95 on small FFTs and games. In additional the i225-V rev 1 NIC also disconnects very frequently. I've updated the BIOS, installed the latest chipset and NIC drivers, etc. It seems like either a defunct board or a hardware flaw in the design. I would appreciate your feedback since you are very in depth in the hardware tracing side. Cheers.
Did you manage to fix it or find a solution? I have this board sitting but never used it.
@@Luci_S I actually had the CPU die a couple weeks after this post. so it might have been a bad CPU all along.
@@xsillycarnifex what?!! What cpu was this? How did it die?!
@@Luci_S No idea, it was only a few weeks out of the box. It was a 5800X, and entire chip didn't die, but I had a failing core on core 6.
@xsillycarnifex
Oh wow! Didn't think that was possible with amd. Thinking of getting a 5700x for an upgrade to a 9700K but I guess I better wait for am5 prices to drop.
How do you feel about upgrading to this board from an older X570 like the Taichi?
I am using a Ryzen 7 2700X what would you think about that build. I'm having a problem with that POWER BUTTON on the MOTHERBOARD. I have to push it each time I turn the PC back On.
Just got this for $230 with free shipping from New Egg. Figured if I'm going to keep my 5800X3D for a while, I might as well put it in the best mobo I can afford.
Would this be worth it if I already have an x570 aorus pro?
Why do I love Bullzoid vids when I can't understand half of what he's talking about ? 🤣
Hey buildzoid doesn't the crosshair 7 hero have safe boot?
Yeah I haven't pushed my patriot blackout DR 4x32 harder than 3600mhz in the x570s master yet. It's at capacity. Fwiw it's using 2gb hynix m-die mjr ic modules (H5ANAG8NMJR-VKC).
To make sure: to disable automatic dual bios on the two button non-S original Master, should I put the first switch on single bios, then if the pc fails to boot, I switch the second button to the other bios? I’ve had it so far on dual bios, which is automatic, right? I’ve had a couple boot failures when it switched back and forth between the two bios’s, eventually settling on one. Is this the automatic behavior and BZ is saying I should be doing this manually? The manual doesn’t go into much depth on this. Any help welcome, thx.
it's not clear to me if 4x8 (single rank sticks) or 2x16 (dual rank sticks) is more performant on this motherboard? this would be for a competitive gaming application- any insight would be much appreciated. I'm guessing I can look at the official qualified vendors memory support list to answer my own question with regard to best memory configuration for this board?
I built my new PC for ripping dvd/bluerays, gaming, and video editing. Could I expect my 5800x to go to 4.9ghz ...and (4x8GB) 3600 cl-16 ram to go to 3800 cl-14?
I got this board on sale for $317 before xmas. The 4 m.2 ssd, the audio (I'm an audiophile), wifi 6, and power solution (I'm an overclocker), it all just made sense. Especially when considering I will have it in service in my family for at least ten years.
and yes they can use a safe boot mode but they just not going to yet as they need to mike this first
any chance of reviewing X570s Dark in the future?
Hey , My Gigabyte X570S Aorus Master died last week (still in warrenty) , The shop and importer say there is no stock of the MB. The store offers me X570S AERO G or X570 AORUS MASTER as a replacement .. or 70% cash of what i pay ..what should i take?
I hope you took X570 AORUS MASTER as a replacement because of its components, same as AORUS EXTREME have
I got one now with I do believe to be a corrupt bios error code 54 to 4d and hangs on 4d with dram light on, sent in to gigabyte rma the said they reprogrammed/ replaced bios chipset and then tested and sent it back, recived it Saturday and tested it Monday and still same error 4d hanging and dram light...
ASrock use on my Mohterboard IKEA.. and include a X470 manuel ty.
ahh and a mouspat for the x470 now the quest is: is this a X570 mohterboard or not..
The snark is strong with this one :D
3:28 i can see where you are coming from but slow down and think about it. this is a consumer board, how many pcie devices do you have in your current primary build? how many do you expect the common gamer to have? this thing is over-provisioned if anything.
Buildzoid was probably being hyperbolic, but do people actually mash delete to get into the BIOS? Try just holding it. Only time I've seen that not work on recent hardware was with a keyboard that had its delete key multiplexed by a function key.
Not aware of this. Thanks. If it works I won't Mash it.
Are you serious. 21 years of using a computer and I learnt this today
Angry Buildzoid is a concise Buildzoid. Stay Angry! 😈
Why does your back panel keep changing?
So i have the x570 non S..usb 3.2 is nice if your using one of the blazingly fast 2022 flagships Samsung tab S8 models it comes with double usb 3.2 cord Use with DEX
WHICH USB PORTS CONNECT DIRECTLY TO CPU CANT FIND IT IN THE MANUAL AND SPECS???
why am i even watching, I can go read the manual..
No fan on Chipset ? Could this thing get really hot with out it?
Would like to see a test between with or without.
@Brandon Dennis you try to oc or any stress test?
@Brandon Dennis that is really impressive,I think I will get this one instead of X570 Aorus Xtreme
@@swizzler8053 Would like to see a comparison test with heavy I/O across the chipset, too.
What motherboard would be a perfect match for my 5900x ?
Definitely didn't expect another X570 PCB breakdown.. Although I guess it's an X570s but still lol.
The 'S' stands for Superman, I'm sure. X570 Superman Edition.
@@MrPunkassfuck S stands for silent as in there’s no chipset fan.
this or the asus crosshair viii hero or dark viiihero?
This does seem overpriced, I guess if you fill all the PCIe lanes $50 doesn't matter that much.
One question: Does the 'S' chipset use less power than the vanilla x570? Those tiny fans are worse than coil whine.
I'm looking forward to part 2 where you cover the PCIe/ M.2 config*.😉
*Can split the x16 lanes to x8+x8 or x8+x4+x4. So 3x M.2 drives direct to the CPU if it's the same setup as the previous Aorus Master.
the bottom X4 goes to the chipset it has no relation to the CPU lanes.
It has been confirmed elsewhere that the "S" uses the same chipset as the older x570
Same price as the original X570 Master.
@@Silverhks That original X570 chipset was rated at 15W TDP. I think this is the Revision 2. If not, how is it possible to cool the chipset passively since all Intel Ultrabooks with 15W CPU must have a fan.
I have the first version of X570 Aorus Master, it does have a fan on the chipset, but I don't hear it at all when it is running. The only advantage of X570 over B550 is the 2nd PCIe slot can take PCIe 4.0 SSD . You can do RAID 0 to get insane IOPS . Upcoming Microsoft DirectStorage which is already in XBox consoles promises better fps with faster storage.
title: buildzoid PMS motherboard review
james was here
Been running the X570 Aorus Master for year and half or so now with a 3950X. Been great. The Dual BIOS is a pain for sure.
Is there any point getting the S version over the older non-S version?
Mine is on the way :D
I like the 4 m.2 slots since goind cross riser can be aa bit weird for a raid 5, but theres litterally 4 20110 m.2s out there so why not jsut have the shorter slots and keep an 4 slot? asus did it and now gigabyte is copying asus
Only a single BIOS means no way would I buy this.
ok
I bought this mb a week ago and with the Asus strix 3080ti and have been experience coil whining suspect that it’s coming from the mb , is it just a faulty set or should I be switching to another brand of motherboard? It’s my first time buying a gigabyte/Aorus product. Also my PSU is a 1000w seasonic gold. Thanks, any help is greatly appreciated! 😊
From what Ive read the Asus Strix gpus are known for coil whine. I haven’t heard of a mb having coil whine, so I would guess it’s the Strix - but I’m no expert.
@@cgsather3309 You may be right, brought it to the store for check and they said it's the gpu, i heard on yt and reddit that MB can have coil whine in their VRM too
@@LYJManchesterUnited yes, I have since learned that the mb can have coil whine too. Fortunately, my Master doesn’t, in fact I never even hear the chipset fan. It’s been a great board so far.
i have a hard requirement of min 3 pcie x8 slots and am desperately trying not to spend x599 money - looks like im gonna have to keep looking
Have a look at MSI MEG X570S ACE MAX.
@@stbufraba thanks for this! will have to keep my ear to the ground for this board :)
A lot of audio interfaces use USB-C
The automatic dual bios lets the board update both bioses in one go via q-flash plus. This does not work if the auto-switching is turned off (at least on my Z490 master).
the whole point of dual BIOS is that you can have different BIOS versions on the same board.
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking True for most overclockers. But they can deal with this anyway. The unexperienced user going high-end is a different story. And I myself have the same bios version for both but have one stable daily overclock and one where I experiment.
@@ole7736 I'm pretty sure the autoswitching is bad for either of the cases you presented. Like if a noob user turns on xmp and tries tuning some settings and they dont work and they get flipped over to the other bios, they're not going to realize and are going to have a headache trying to figure out what happened. In your case autoswitching is also a hindrance since you really want to manually control if you're tuning your experimental settings or not, you don't want to sketch out your daily settings.
@@katherinesilens2994 I merely said that you can flash both in one go with this setting.
All my z390 boards have dual bios switch, what's wrong with you modern engineer.
VITAL VIDEO! , own two Xtremes 1.0 and 1.2, looking to upgrade to X570S and sell those Xtremes
Why. It's a downgrade.
@@Raivo_K Why downgrade? Master has more nvme slots, also has usb 2x2. Xtreme has no usb 2x2. Xtreme used to be good when it was the only fanless option, but now it's overpriced and the only advantage is that it has 8 PCB layers which makes no difference anyway
@@AndresReviews It has one more M.2 slot. The same can be achieved on the Xtreme with a PCIe card. USB 3.2 requires compatiible devices and thus far there are not too many of those. Besides one of the original revsions brought the TB header to the Xtreme and TB is still faster than USB 3.2 anyway.
Xtreme has overbuilt cooling because it's passve and Dual-NIC and Dual-BIOS. Both things the X570S version lacks. I mean if you already have the Xtreme it makes no sense to downgrade to the Master. Buying new i would argue the old Master is actually better. I doubt anyone is buying Xtreme these days tho. For that kind of money the EVGA X570 Dark is miles better.
@@Raivo_K well, you actually convinced me. The only problem is that my Xtreme is v1.2 and this older revision lacks Active OC Tuner. I own one Xtreme 1.0 for over a year and a half with 3950X and don't plan to change it. But I need a second PC and alredy bought 5950X + Xtreme 1.2, which are still brand new and unopened. I bought them before X570S was released. So now I thought it was not a good idea, trying to sell the Xtreme which is brand new but I believe finding a buyer won't be easy. In any way even if I decided to stay with Xtreme I still would like to have the one ver.2.0 wchich has the Active OC Tuner. But if I sell my current Xtreme it will be a hard decision to buy a new Xtreme 2.0 instead of just new Master. Dual-NIC is great, but practically useless for me since I use one gigabit connection. Same goes for dual bios, never been used by me. 8 layers of PCB is interesting though, but since I use 4 sticks of dual rank ram the CPU controller can't handle the OC anyway so 8 layers won't help it either
@@AndresReviews Have you tried 5950X on your Xtreme that currently runs 3950X? OC Tuner should be 5000 series dependant not a motherboard feature. It should show up in the BIOS once you pop in 5950X.
DONT BUY THAT GARBAGE. I have that PIECE OF SHIT. The worst combination is Gigabyte X570 Master with 3959X. Everything happens on this computer. Freeze, crash, stop working, switch off.
This needed dual bios and dual nic
X570 Dark?
Wny do you do through specificatiojs of a MOBO if you don't care about half of the stuff. I do care about my time...
Damn BZ going after the normies in this one. Love to see it
Why do you hate M.2s?
I don't hate them. I just don't use them.
9:01 oddly enough the dual bios allows for mistakes from dummies. and you don't seem to get that.
9:21 you do have a switch. you have already shown the TWO switches.
10:35 with you there. their implementation SUCKS
For Windows 11 I enable fTPM on my x570 aorus master and get debug code 9E from AA/AO. This pisses me off that now I have to look at 9E code to run Win11.
I have the same motherboard. 9E is not an error code, it's a "Regular Boot" code. It simply alerts you that fTPM is enabled. It's not as pretty as A0, but there's nothing wrong with it.
The error code ranges are 50-5F and D0-D1, as stated in the motherboard manual, page 93.
@@Lurker-dk8jk yeah I know it's not an error code. It's an ugly ftpm status code. I have a 7inch lcd screen (displays temps and shit) inside my case that's right next to the debug code so I look at it all the time. So annoying.
@@mckayver1306 First World Problem.
@@stbufraba hell yeah, I work hard for the money to pay for that high end piece of art.
@@mckayver1306 On the same UEFI/BIOS page as "AMD CPU fTPM" you will find an option for "Onboard Debug Port LED". Set this to "Off" (why would anybody need a debug code after system start?) >>> Problem solved. Your welcome.
5:25 Holy crap, so THAT's why I have to clear CMOS with bad settings and memory overclock fail retry barely ever works? I held off watching this video because I just really didn't care about this board, but now I'm glad I watched it because I had not run into this information anywhere else. I actually permanently moved my cases reset button to CLR_CMOS because I got so fed up with watching it fail over and over when I'm OC'ing memory.
Personally AGESA hasn't sabotaged my memory overclock thus far, in fact it's been the opposite, and I've been able to tighten things up a bit on more recent AGESA versions. But I have encountered other people who have had their memory OC wrecked from updates, but it's been a while since I've seen it happen.
2:04 the difference between pros and people who know what they are doing. a pro reads the fucking manual.
"From 5 years ago, what do you mean, its old?"
I still use a galaxy s5 (released in 2014) it is a phone it plays MP3 files, a phone can't do anything better than my computer expect play mp3s on a battery and be small
the only thing i have with a USB-C plug on it is a MSI B550I board and that is just a ram OC toy
Thank you for the very informative explanation of the board. You would sound even better if you leave out the sarcasm ("if you can read the manual.. it has words in it"). Best regards from Germany
Buildzoid: "Go read a manual, I don't care."
Me: Tf you think I'm watching your video for!?
I recently bought this board and it's the same-old GigaByte garbage. With everything else identical, the X570s Master required 1.450VDIMM just to POST 3600MHz CL16 XMP (was completely unstable under stress test, though). Meanwhile the same CPU and DIMMs can run 3600MHz CL14 @ 1.400VDIMM on my cheap $150 MSI board without breakin a sweat.
I can *NOT* recommend any X570(s) products from GigaByte.
mike == milk
3.2 usb is good.
but mainboard makers now that people are getting dumber so they have to make it so easy that a 2 year old can do it
Bad Chia mining board.
Buildzoid and I ARE best friends :)
Expand your vocabulary and stop using word like.