Does anyone care if it's actually an hour long? The longer the video just means theres more interesting things to talk about the item, hence, a better overview. Which is what I personally love.
@@wewillrockyou1986 yea, i watch on 1.5 for the first 5 minutes to get used to it then go to 2x speed because he talks kinda slow but it isnt a problem cuz of fast forward feature 👌. more stuff is always better
if i spend like 250€+ on a motherboard i would really wanna know everything about it and i think bz knows whats important so i really appreciate that long walkthroughs
Has to reshoot his videos because they're too long. Spends the first 90 seconds complaining about having to reshoot the videos because they're too long.
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking well i think that anyone watching your videos would be willing to sit through three hours of your unscripted rambling about basically anything concerning PC tech :) if you think your vids are bit too long just put footnotes like those GN does so people can skip parts they arent interested in, id say that should be easier than reshooting hours upon hours of footage
@@dragmahk I'm more likely to click the longer videos but I'm the minority. Still who subs to this channel or gamers Nexus if you don't want the nitty gritty details.
It's weird Asus shifted the Bios USB port to where it is now. On my Crosshair Hero VII they actually separated it and put it next to the clear CMOS and BIOS flash buttons which to me was a great move and made plugging in my USB stick with my various BIOS versions simple to do without having to fumble around looking for the right port amongst a sea of exactly identical ports when I have my machine sat say close to a wall.
considering you'd only be bios flashbacking before putting a new CPU in, they probably assume your computer isn't just sitting up next to a wall. for regular bios updates you can use any port, that's just for doing it no CPU installed.
@Actually Hardcore Overclocking Hey buildzoid i asked Linus to send you some high res. pic. of that salvage X79 board and got about 700 likes - if you get/got those it would be really cool if you could do a pcb breakdown. If you didnt get/got any you could maby even ask them to send them to you - would be reallly f*ing cool.
Yes buildzoid pls, that mystery mobo was fun, although he's said in the past that sometimes you just can't find out where a vrm components come from, especially with sketchy Chinese mobos lol
Considering that I have recently built and played with 3 higher end x79 boards (which I paid for the same as the new chinese ones cost), I would be interested.
I absolutely love these videos. It's like...not only was I already interested in this product and looking for a knowledgeable breakdown of the components, I just got a fairly detailed lesson in engineering and computing. I find that amazing. Thank you for making them (SERIOUSLY) and please keep doing them the way that you do. Like others have stated, we can easily skip around any length of a video.
Love these videos, they will help make mobo's better by keeping the manufacturer's on their toes. Can just see the R&D department's meetings "we need to build a board that buildzoid will at least say is okay."
I think midnight and snowflake have been holding Buildzoid captive in the basement of the GN lab making VRM vids, lol. Sounds like a viewer saved BZ from the cats with these cool pics, lol.
Well, that rambly, just-pure-knowledge from someone who's passionate about his craft is the reason why most of us are here, I could listen to you talk about kicking puppies and I would still be hooked.
well if you already have CH7 its kinda wasteful to "upgrade" to CH8 that basically does the same thing and costs way more ... unless you intend to push some extreme memory overclocks i would just stick with what you already have ...
@@delta9k fair enough, im just tired of people that were indoctrinated by intel to swap mobo each cpu upgrade... a lot of guys are asking about x570 hero while owning x470 one looking for simple replacement "upgrade". If you are building new system i would still consider if x570 is actually worth it for you, im actually still on fence right now what my mobo will be and CH7 at its current price point is about the best bang for buck high end mobo for zens right now
@@veritas6936 and what exactly is "sub par" on this board ? and before you say VRM, Buildzoid calculated heat generation on Master to be at 22w at 200A while on this board it ended up being 20W ... while shutting of unneeded phases and moving the efficiency curve up by doing so ending up at 19W ... so why exactly would LESS efficient VRM of Master be better than one on this board ? Both VRMS are gross OVERKILL for what is needed ... other than VRM the features are basically identical ...
This board looks promising, I actually wasn’t too excited about Asus but now they are back on the table. I already picked all the parts for my new pc build except the mobo, Im waiting some of your reviews and general x570 overview Love your content 👍
i agree even a very little airflow helps a ton: i got a 670 watercooled and the vrm just gets hit by a little breeze coming in the grid on the back of the case (i run negative pressure, fight me) and the difference is 30C LESS with the case panel installed: 80C with no airflow, 50C with light breeze.
negative pressure is awesome if you don't care about dust. i ran an s340 a couple years ago, 280mm rad in the front , noctua 140 in the top and noctua 120 in the rear. temps were amazing with that config cause both (aircooled) GPU and radiator got fresh room temperature air.
Really appreciate the effort to make the video shorter and more concise, even if it doesn't always works when the thing is just that interesting to talk about lol
I spent the past week looking up X470 motherboards and watching videos on this channel. I was initially going to buy the ASUS X470 prime and I watched the buildzoid video about it which changed my mind. My budget is a little bit tight (I can't really save more so don't go telling me buy an X570 / b550 or Ryzen 3000 cpu) so I settled for the MSI X470 GAMING PLUS because I saw Buildzoid say that its a decen't board. I hope I didn't make a mistake because I've literally looked at a sh*t ton of videos about various boards. I'm changing over to AMD after being with Intel for the past 12 years and I have been using Asus motherboards with 17 years.
@@FellTheSky I was considering an X370 board at first then looked at X470. Its going to be a learning curve for me with Ryzen because it looks like its a bit tricky to over clock. Also I'm not really looking to over click the ram. I thing 3200MHz ram should be good.
@@FellTheSky also I will upgrade to a 3700X but that won't be right away. I'm hoping the price drops to around €300 or less in about six months to a year.
Says a lot about ASUS and Giga as companies - one black ball's you, while the other completely revamps their electrical design strategies and voluntarily sends you shots of their latest full lineup without even asking if you wanted them. Giga really is winning me over with their latest [public] decisions; still gonna wait for the release and reviews of everything, and enough time for the public to mess around with them(a month or two probably)
I'm not convinced whether Gigabyte is aiming the right direction sustainably... While all my ROG Mainboards have given me a great time compared to some issues I've had with mid-range boards - also ASUS TUF, MSI etc. I'm quite done with ASUS ROG/STRIX GFX-Cards but Mainboards are another cup of tea I guess.. 🤔🤗😜
You have a new subscriber Sir! Thanks a ton for providing an excellent technical review! I just bought this board without WIFI. Crazy price gouging on that model, but I just don't need the WIFI. I do plenty of R&D with VMs for IT studies, & some gaming. I got it because I have my second Strix B450-F going in for RMA and figured the Crosshair VIII Hero was the best AMD board ASUS makes, without many unneeded features. I want the durability, diagnostic features, all the USB 10Gbps, and PCIe 4, which should future-proof my build for the next 5 years or more. I'd likely only use the overclocking features whenever a Ryzen 5 3600 gets a bit dated. I've had very bad luck with ASUS boards in the last 10 years and hoping I can finally get a board that'll last. They have great features that I actually use, compared to the competition. At least their heat-sinks have some surface area. Also, one thing I didn't understand was if I need to use the extra 4 pin power connector when using a fan over the CPU. =)
This is the board I'm likely to get. I currently have an 1800x in a CH6H, and plan on going with either the 12c or _maybe_ the 16c. The 16c would need to have a significant clock speed advantage, and if it's coming down to binning, I think we're going to have a 1700x vs 1800x thing where they hit the same clocks but this time with a few fewer cores.
On my Crosshair VI Hero, the CLR CMOS button on the back also acts the same as that safe boot button. I was memory overclocking, went too far, couldn't get back into the BIOS. So went to CLR CMOS, and to my surprise, the BIOS saved ALL my settings!!! So good!
Really looking forward to seeing a follow up on memory topology. And which one of the three X570 MB's is better (msi ace, GB Master and Rog crosshair viii hero) Thanx so much for a grate video.
If Asus wants to get the best transient response they should look at the ISL69138 and ISL99227-B's with ISL6617A's Intersils (RENESAS) website sure has some strong claims. This is what they say. "The ISL69138 uses the Renesas proprietary digital, linear, synthetic, current modulation scheme to achieve (the industry’s best combination of transient response and ease of tuning) while addressing the challenges of powering the latest generation of Intel microprocessors. Device configuration and monitoring are accomplished using the intuitive PowerNavigator™ software. Diode emulation and automatic phase add/drop features allow the user to extract maximum efficiency from the converter regardless of load conditions"
I'm awaiting the motherboard company who uses the marketing gimmick of having a 3 8 pin connectors for the CPU. because we all know we need 24 pins of power for CPU.
All of these X570 mobos with chipset fans or heat pipes reminded me of nvidia nForce era and certainly, the early Crosshair motherboards come to my mind.
Hi...can you do a final summary of the X570 boards once the release is done...which will be best for say: Hi-end gaming, overclocking on water and then extreme overclocking (not that I would do it...but for those that do?) Would be really good to have a summary of all say Asus, Gigabyte, MSI and eVGA vendors boards?
I actually appreciate listening to / watching your videos because there are hours of actual information in there, instead of marketing. Don't be afraid of running long, just do it! Maybe try to structure it better with editing if you can invest the time. Whoever listens to you past 15-20 minutes will likely still listen at 2 hours 20. I know I do. Keep up the good work!
Eeh not sure I'm buying that. But That retry button is sick that Asus does. and I wish every OC focused board had it. If my DARK mobos did I would be in heaven.
Question about the 4 pin plus 8 pin power connector. My brother has a gigabyte x470 gaming k7 and he would always leave the 4 pin unconnected. So we notice the board only last 1 month before it stops working. So on his 5th replacement he decided to plug up both and haven't had a problem ever since. He has a ryzen 1700x. Does the one on gigabyte have to be both plugged up?
no, none of them require the 4 pin being connected.. so either he's hooking up something wrong, using the wrong 8 pin or something is wrong with the psu but you should not have to use the 4 pin.
@@sirmonkey1985 the gigabtye board does. We changed the cpu and tried 3 different power supplies. I called customer support they sent my case to a higher up in the company and gigabyte told us to plug it up. Ever since he plug it up he hasn't had any problems. The board has been running fine for 6+ months compared to only lasting 1 month.
I'd like to see more in-depth between the Hero and the Formula. As a watercooler, sounds like the Formula, at the rumored price, is bonkers, and as the Man said, is totally unnecessary. And the Hero with a mono block would be overkill and save a couple hundred bucks. I'll stay tuned in.
Going to tell you why the vrm is mapped like that.. it's because they created a new waterblock that covered everything..the Asus built waterblock has many probes putting everything together makes probes efficient
He says in the video he has no other images and that it was a fan that sent him this specific board. After launch he is buying some Asus boards including the DTX Impact, I am most looking forward to that one as well, just sadly got to be patient :/
Hi guys! Does anyone know whether I should go with the Crosshair VIII Hero or the Aorus Master? I know I cant go wrong with any. Thanks a bunch in advance!
I don't feel like it is huge upgrade from my Crosshair VII... gonna stay at X470 & R9 3900X with water cooling. And that fan... it's a huge con. And yeah, PCi-E 4.0 is not a pro for me, since I'm not gonna buy overpriced ssds. :p Probably 3900X & C7H will stay til mid-DDR5 era.
@@SULFURIOUS controller AND motherboard layout and build quality ... and the frequency is just ONE part of the memory OC, voltage and TIMINGS are the other and you might be able to hit 3733 on any board but at what voltage and at what timings is what will make or break the x470 vs x570 question for me.
@@Asghaad im not concerned about anything except CPU controller which blocks me as far. There wont be any difference between x570 and x470 top boards since its mostly same design and layout. The bottleneck is zen and zen+ poor controller capability. Currently max is 3533@14Cl, all settings manual.
How many SATA slots and m.2 slots can be populated simultaneously? When watching your other videos you said you think two of the SATA ports will be disabled when using the M.2 slots. After reading the manual thoroughly I do not see any asterisks or notes explaining that any SATA ports will be disabled when using M.2. With older boards like the Z97X, for example, when using an M.2 Slot would disable a SATA port it would have an Asterisk and would explain this and which ports would be disabled when using M.2. Do they not include notes or asterisks in the manuals explaining when using m.2 will disable SATA ports anymore? Or perhaps does this mean that all 8 SATA ports and both M.2 can be populated Simultaneously?
I am considering the newer version of this board the Dark Hero one because I prefer a better made board and from a feature set it ticks all the boxes. I will just run a stock 5600X on air but I assume it will be solid enough to keep my system as quiet as possible
I notice the chokes don't really get coverage on mobo breakdowns. The mobo manufacturers love to quote that they're alloy chokes, or rated for a certain number of amps, but I can't really tell what they do or how they affect the VRM quality. (I've tried to read up on what they actually do, but I can't really find good info that's also comprehensible to a layman such as myself.) If these are at all important, I'd love to hear about them on future breakdowns.
It's a year later, and the prices are better... So I managed to snag a crosshair VIII formula... And from what I'm looking at the VRM here, I don't really need to run water through that water block. Still going to anyway, but it's nice to know it's not needed
if power stages are at 80c, water cooling surely will take heat from the case off, being that water absorbs the heat. Not saying that its necessary but still, if you have loop, why not put vrm to it too
"why not put VRM on water too" ... maybe because its useless and maybe because it cost a crapton of money to have that block on the VRM that is doing NOTHING there ... well aside of increasing the volume of coolant you need, introducing more points of failure for leakage and increase pressure drop of your loop ... if i decide to go with x570 i will be expecting EKWB to make chipset block for most higher end boards THEN that might actually be something to invest the money in to get rid of that annoying fan, but for VRM overspecced like this its IDIOTIC to waste money and effort watercooling it ...
@@Asghaad "maybe because its useless and maybe because it cost a crapton of money to have that block on the VRM that is doing NOTHING there " Do you design motherboards as living, cause you seem to know what makes the price of the ASUS top mobo? How much water block cost to ASUS when its most likely designed and maybe manufactured by EKWB for free or close for whom its massive marketing opportunity? Price is very close to Gigabyte top mobo which dont have water block. Water block or not, their top model wouldnt be cheaper than Gigabytes anyway because it would immediately make people think its not as "premium" than Gigabyte. Its personal choice at enthusiast building level to have water cooling system, air cooled, loud, quiet, or run shit military style passive 90c.
@@gizmoriderfulye8007 you are joking right ? for free ? waterblocks are low volume product made one at a time by cnc machining ... they are EXPENSIVE AS HELL ... Its not some cast shit made by thousands in some chinese factory ... its takes time, manpower and seriously expensive machinery (unless you want it made on manual machines which brings the increase in cost in manually done labor ...) ffs you can clearly see the price of that block in the board prices ... ROg Hero VIII comes at $360 while the Formula is at $700 ... the ONLY difference between those boards is that waterblock meaning it will cost you $360 ... which is about the price one would expect for custom waterblock sold through two margin increases as EK wants its cut and ASUS marks the product up also ... you obviously do not know anything about watercooling so let me put it in terms you will understand. ordinary waterblock for the GPU, which is simple single chamber block of copper machined into shape with plastic cover, will cost you +-$160 ... the waterblock on the VRM has to be split into two parts which is much harder to machine so basically treat it as TWO blocks ... voila here you go your "basically for free" $340 Waterblock ... which does NOTHING a good passive heatsink couldnt do on VRM that will at best run at 20% of maximum theoretical capacity ... its waste of money ... hell you will be paying a cost of the whole motherboard extra for thing that is nothing but a "bling factor" and a bragging right but doesnt affect performance one iota ...
Am looking to buy this motherboard, 3 things i wanna clear out are: 1) As you mentioned that higher RAM speed with above 32 GB might not be recommended, if am right, would it be still good to have a 32 GB higher speed and later maxed out? 2) This motherboard doesn't have HDMI or VGA port to connect monitor, so how to connect dual monitors, as i want to use 2 monitors? Graphic card i think, 1 monitor can be connected? 3) Is liquid cooler really required or the Stock Cooler fan which comes with AMD Ryzen 7 3700X is enough? ... OR how about a Noctua NH-D15 CPU cooler?
One of the (biggest) justification for the massive price hike on the x570 as opposed to x470 or x370 is that. the x570 needs a higher quality pcb 8+ layers because of pcie 4.0. I personally think its nothing but money grab, nevertheless, can you verify that this board is actually 8+ layers? There's nothing new here that the CH7 doesn't have. I'm still trying to figure out the justification for the massive price hike.
I've not yet heard of any X570 board with more than 8 layers. Most are 6 layers and use lower loss PCB materials than past boards. This one should be an 8
Ummm ASUS' Crosshair VII PBO overxlocking feature is the best feature it has. Your complaints about ASUS seems like it comes from a place of ignorance of its CH7 board. I do love Buildzoid still. He replied so please check his response.
Hey, question about the unnecessary 4-pin power connector.. I'm not _exactly_ sure how the different power stages on this motherboard are mapped out, from the actual CPU to the 4-pin and 8-pin connectors, but I can only assume that without out the extra 4-pin connected, it's possible some some power stages might be underutilized, or not used at all. If that's the case, the whole vrm system would be better off with the extra 4-pin as it would generate slightly less heat, and distribute it across all vrm ic's.
Love the videos, and love the indept coverage. Also, I hit 300w on my 2700X@4.35GHz on water, sure a 3950X couldnt overwhelm a single 8 pin on water alone?
If Asus is pricing this the same as Aorus Master and MSI Ace, I would not be buying this one. No because of VRM, but on other QOL features alone. Actually hoping new Aorus UEFI turns out good and useful as you hinted at in another video
main reason i got this was all them usb ports 17+ 2 type c in total i got ports for days 4 on my monitor 2 plus a type c on my case 11 plus a type c on the MB do i need that many no do i want that many yes
Does anyone care if it's actually an hour long? The longer the video just means theres more interesting things to talk about the item, hence, a better overview. Which is what I personally love.
I find BZ (like myself) talks relatively slowly, 2x speed cuts down on the video length a lot and is still perfectly understandable...
@@wewillrockyou1986 yea, i watch on 1.5 for the first 5 minutes to get used to it then go to 2x speed because he talks kinda slow but it isnt a problem cuz of fast forward feature 👌. more stuff is always better
if i spend like 250€+ on a motherboard i would really wanna know everything about it and i think bz knows whats important so i really appreciate that long walkthroughs
@@wewillrockyou1986 Absolutely agree. With speed options, it definitely makes longer videos more palatable for people, as you said.
Has to reshoot his videos because they're too long. Spends the first 90 seconds complaining about having to reshoot the videos because they're too long.
see for this take I gave up
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking well i think that anyone watching your videos would be willing to sit through three hours of your unscripted rambling about basically anything concerning PC tech :)
if you think your vids are bit too long just put footnotes like those GN does so people can skip parts they arent interested in, id say that should be easier than reshooting hours upon hours of footage
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking I appreciate the videos. Aside from actual performance metrics your motherboard overviews are the best there is.
@Tutorialzz Daily GN... as in Gamers Nexus...
damm you don't have to reshoot, just put some time stamps, we like those.
timestamp good.
It's more about people being less likely to click and watch a video that exceeds the hour mark, everything below is gucci. Idk people are weird.
@@dragmahk I'm more likely to click the longer videos but I'm the minority. Still who subs to this channel or gamers Nexus if you don't want the nitty gritty details.
Or just don't repeat the same stuff 3-4 times and move on :)
Btw, I care about what you don't like in Asus BIOS. you have good insights on these kind of things.
World needs a video series called "what Buildzoid doesn't like in "Manufacturer-name* BIOS".
Where did he talk about that?
OrcbloodTech from 2:14 - 2:42
@ I needed the Hero due to more USB slots in the back (flightsimming). In regards of overclocking, I dont know. The Hero is a very good card though...
Hopefully there will be another PCB Breakdown with a greater Impact
I see what you did there ;)
But it will be a smaller impact :)
It's weird Asus shifted the Bios USB port to where it is now. On my Crosshair Hero VII they actually separated it and put it next to the clear CMOS and BIOS flash buttons which to me was a great move and made plugging in my USB stick with my various BIOS versions simple to do without having to fumble around looking for the right port amongst a sea of exactly identical ports when I have my machine sat say close to a wall.
considering you'd only be bios flashbacking before putting a new CPU in, they probably assume your computer isn't just sitting up next to a wall.
for regular bios updates you can use any port, that's just for doing it no CPU installed.
Waiting for the ASUS ROG Strix X570 "E & F" Gaming boards analysis.
Gr8 work BTW !
Verdict 6 months later = Get the TUF Gaming Plus. Same VRM's for half the price.
@@tonkatoytruck True for F, E has a better VRM but not as good as Hero
Buildzoid speaks for an hour...I listen for an hour
Tis the way the world works
I listen for an hour too
@Actually Hardcore Overclocking
Hey buildzoid i asked Linus to send you some high res. pic. of that salvage X79 board and got about 700 likes - if you get/got those it would be really cool if you could do a pcb breakdown.
If you didnt get/got any you could maby even ask them to send them to you - would be reallly f*ing cool.
Yes buildzoid pls, that mystery mobo was fun, although he's said in the past that sometimes you just can't find out where a vrm components come from, especially with sketchy Chinese mobos lol
The way YT cropped you comment, it said: "- would be reallly f*ing read more" ... I was thoroughly confused.
@@vaffens lol :D
Considering that I have recently built and played with 3 higher end x79 boards (which I paid for the same as the new chinese ones cost), I would be interested.
Dude--dont stop and reshoot: time stamp and get it all out.
Solves the problem for tl:dw people and the people that want the full in depth reviews.
I absolutely love these videos. It's like...not only was I already interested in this product and looking for a knowledgeable breakdown of the components, I just got a fairly detailed lesson in engineering and computing. I find that amazing.
Thank you for making them (SERIOUSLY) and please keep doing them the way that you do. Like others have stated, we can easily skip around any length of a video.
Love these videos, they will help make mobo's better by keeping the manufacturer's on their toes. Can just see the R&D department's meetings "we need to build a board that buildzoid will at least say is okay."
Asus can't say you're hating on them. I bought my X370 Strix based on your review of it.
Love your videos man. Its amazing the knowledge u have on motherboards. I learn alot from your channel.
Finally! I've already started to worry about your well being 😌
I think midnight and snowflake have been holding Buildzoid captive in the basement of the GN lab making VRM vids, lol. Sounds like a viewer saved BZ from the cats with these cool pics, lol.
@@Zarcondeegrissom Lets be real here, Midnight and snowflake are the real Joe and Steve, they are their puppet masters xD
43:35 loved the subtle "doge meme" reference haha.
"such benefit, much lifespan increase"
You got to check that douche attention seeker one at 46:05 😂
Awesome in-depth review. When I'm looking to splash $400+ on a component, you won't find me complaining that your breakdown is too long :D
Wakes up -> picks up phone -> plz a new buildzoid video to help me start my day well -> my day is complete
Well, that rambly, just-pure-knowledge from someone who's passionate about his craft is the reason why most of us are here, I could listen to you talk about kicking puppies and I would still be hooked.
Thank you Buildzoid for again another informative video. Great job man, keep the good work up
I have the attention span to watch a 2hr long rambling of buildzoid.
Thanks BZ - this is the board I am most interested in for x570. My C7H has been a champ on x470.
well if you already have CH7 its kinda wasteful to "upgrade" to CH8 that basically does the same thing and costs way more ... unless you intend to push some extreme memory overclocks i would just stick with what you already have ...
@@Asghaad Not if your looking at building an additional system around the x570 platform...
@@delta9k fair enough, im just tired of people that were indoctrinated by intel to swap mobo each cpu upgrade... a lot of guys are asking about x570 hero while owning x470 one looking for simple replacement "upgrade". If you are building new system i would still consider if x570 is actually worth it for you, im actually still on fence right now what my mobo will be and CH7 at its current price point is about the best bang for buck high end mobo for zens right now
Na you want the master, this board is sub par for its price, another corner cutter from asus.
@@veritas6936 and what exactly is "sub par" on this board ?
and before you say VRM, Buildzoid calculated heat generation on Master to be at 22w at 200A while on this board it ended up being 20W ... while shutting of unneeded phases and moving the efficiency curve up by doing so ending up at 19W ...
so why exactly would LESS efficient VRM of Master be better than one on this board ?
Both VRMS are gross OVERKILL for what is needed ...
other than VRM the features are basically identical ...
I wanted to go to bed, and then BZ uploads something.
Just first take it. We don't watch this for how short your video is.
The only channel im watching for a deep review of mainboards.
This board looks promising, I actually wasn’t too excited about Asus but now they are back on the table.
I already picked all the parts for my new pc build except the mobo, Im waiting some of your reviews and general x570 overview
Love your content 👍
And so it begins.
i agree even a very little airflow helps a ton: i got a 670 watercooled and the vrm just gets hit by a little breeze coming in the grid on the back of the case (i run negative pressure, fight me) and the difference is 30C LESS with the case panel installed: 80C with no airflow, 50C with light breeze.
negative pressure is awesome if you don't care about dust. i ran an s340 a couple years ago, 280mm rad in the front , noctua 140 in the top and noctua 120 in the rear. temps were amazing with that config cause both (aircooled) GPU and radiator got fresh room temperature air.
Really appreciate the effort to make the video shorter and more concise, even if it doesn't always works when the thing is just that interesting to talk about lol
I spent the past week looking up X470 motherboards and watching videos on this channel. I was initially going to buy the ASUS X470 prime and I watched the buildzoid video about it which changed my mind. My budget is a little bit tight (I can't really save more so don't go telling me buy an X570 / b550 or Ryzen 3000 cpu) so I settled for the MSI X470 GAMING PLUS because I saw Buildzoid say that its a decen't board. I hope I didn't make a mistake because I've literally looked at a sh*t ton of videos about various boards. I'm changing over to AMD after being with Intel for the past 12 years and I have been using Asus motherboards with 17 years.
Well my cpus were i5 760> 2500k> 3770k>6700k. Now i bought a Crosshair VI Hero at 110 us$, and im waiting to buy a 3600
@@FellTheSky where did you get that board at that price. I couldn't find any of the am4 cross hair boards under €175
@@Steve30x its a local sale. I was doubting because of possible ram overclocking issues on x370, but at that price i'll take my chances.
@@FellTheSky I was considering an X370 board at first then looked at X470. Its going to be a learning curve for me with Ryzen because it looks like its a bit tricky to over clock. Also I'm not really looking to over click the ram. I thing 3200MHz ram should be good.
@@FellTheSky also I will upgrade to a 3700X but that won't be right away. I'm hoping the price drops to around €300 or less in about six months to a year.
lol “your settings aren’t wrong, just keep mashing the button” 🤣
I have to learn to be a talker like you, the best youtubers usually talk a lot, but talk about stuff that are interesting
Crosshair Hero 7 owner, waiting for Ryzen 3000.
Whats the issue with PBO on this board??
Buildzoid: hey Asus why haven't you discovered magical powerstages?
Asus: soz
@46:54 -- *ASUS Workstation WS Z-390* motherboard was favorably mentioned once 46:54
purchased this board over the Aorus Master as I needed the extra +2 SATA ports.. good looking board, excellent performance
Says a lot about ASUS and Giga as companies - one black ball's you, while the other completely revamps their electrical design strategies and voluntarily sends you shots of their latest full lineup without even asking if you wanted them.
Giga really is winning me over with their latest [public] decisions; still gonna wait for the release and reviews of everything, and enough time for the public to mess around with them(a month or two probably)
I'm not convinced whether Gigabyte is aiming the right direction sustainably... While all my ROG Mainboards have given me a great time compared to some issues I've had with mid-range boards - also ASUS TUF, MSI etc.
I'm quite done with ASUS ROG/STRIX GFX-Cards but Mainboards are another cup of tea I guess.. 🤔🤗😜
Gud luck by sorting your BIOS Adjustments
IT'S HERE
27:20 My mom when i try to explain her why I do something differently.
You have a new subscriber Sir! Thanks a ton for providing an excellent technical review! I just bought this board without WIFI. Crazy price gouging on that model, but I just don't need the WIFI. I do plenty of R&D with VMs for IT studies, & some gaming. I got it because I have my second Strix B450-F going in for RMA and figured the Crosshair VIII Hero was the best AMD board ASUS makes, without many unneeded features.
I want the durability, diagnostic features, all the USB 10Gbps, and PCIe 4, which should future-proof my build for the next 5 years or more. I'd likely only use the overclocking features whenever a Ryzen 5 3600 gets a bit dated. I've had very bad luck with ASUS boards in the last 10 years and hoping I can finally get a board that'll last. They have great features that I actually use, compared to the competition. At least their heat-sinks have some surface area.
Also, one thing I didn't understand was if I need to use the extra 4 pin power connector when using a fan over the CPU. =)
listening to you for an hour is great. learning a lot of things. :)
but Buildzoid... do I need to plug in the 4 pin?????
Zefram0911 I am crying 😂😂😂😂😂😂
This is the board I'm likely to get. I currently have an 1800x in a CH6H, and plan on going with either the 12c or _maybe_ the 16c. The 16c would need to have a significant clock speed advantage, and if it's coming down to binning, I think we're going to have a 1700x vs 1800x thing where they hit the same clocks but this time with a few fewer cores.
Yes, I have been waiting for this one😁😁
me too :)
Same here, my potential upgrade from the Crosshair Hero VI
On my Crosshair VI Hero, the CLR CMOS button on the back also acts the same as that safe boot button. I was memory overclocking, went too far, couldn't get back into the BIOS. So went to CLR CMOS, and to my surprise, the BIOS saved ALL my settings!!! So good!
Really looking forward to seeing a follow up on memory topology.
And which one of the three X570 MB's is better (msi ace, GB Master and Rog crosshair viii hero)
Thanx so much for a grate video.
Hero VIII FTW
@@MikailStoner just bought one. It’s now at ASUS.
🌎 ‘s 🥇 vrm breakdown of this mobo 😮
If Asus wants to get the best transient response they should look at the ISL69138 and ISL99227-B's with ISL6617A's
Intersils (RENESAS) website sure has some strong claims. This is what they say.
"The ISL69138 uses the Renesas proprietary digital, linear, synthetic, current modulation scheme to achieve (the industry’s best combination of transient response and ease of tuning) while addressing the challenges of powering the latest generation of Intel microprocessors. Device configuration and monitoring are accomplished using the intuitive PowerNavigator™ software. Diode emulation and automatic phase add/drop features allow the user to extract maximum efficiency from the converter regardless of load conditions"
IR has basically the same claims about their ATA functions on their controllers.
>Covers up SN on the mobo
>Leaves fingerprints on the IO shield
The Formula and Hero name are just fancy names for "Watercooling" and "Aircooling". It is the Crosshair 8 Motherboard in different Versions.
Those are not the only differences between the hero and formula though
Thank you for another great motherboard Breakdown.
Came here because I looked up what to do with the power connectors, and your vid showed up. Glad I didn't ask, haha..
I'm awaiting the motherboard company who uses the marketing gimmick of having a 3 8 pin connectors for the CPU. because we all know we need 24 pins of power for CPU.
X399 and x499 already have them
just give us 24+24, it's needed for 𝒐 𝒗 𝒆 𝒓 𝒄 𝒍 𝒐 𝒄 𝒌 𝒊 𝒏 𝒈
Buildzoid please help me and my small smooth brain. Is this VRM, or the VRM on the MSI Unify better?
Legend says that you can turn off the sound and understand what he wants to say just by looking at his mouse movements and the scribbles.
All of these X570 mobos with chipset fans or heat pipes reminded me of nvidia nForce era and certainly, the early Crosshair motherboards come to my mind.
Hi...can you do a final summary of the X570 boards once the release is done...which will be best for say: Hi-end gaming, overclocking on water and then extreme overclocking (not that I would do it...but for those that do?) Would be really good to have a summary of all say Asus, Gigabyte, MSI and eVGA vendors boards?
I actually appreciate listening to / watching your videos because there are hours of actual information in there, instead of marketing. Don't be afraid of running long, just do it! Maybe try to structure it better with editing if you can invest the time. Whoever listens to you past 15-20 minutes will likely still listen at 2 hours 20. I know I do. Keep up the good work!
You are the man with the details. Damm just subbed. Thumbs up.
Asus claimed to have some secret sauce for memory overclocking. Interested to see what it is
Eeh not sure I'm buying that. But That retry button is sick that Asus does. and I wish every OC focused board had it. If my DARK mobos did I would be in heaven.
Question about the 4 pin plus 8 pin power connector. My brother has a gigabyte x470 gaming k7 and he would always leave the 4 pin unconnected. So we notice the board only last 1 month before it stops working. So on his 5th replacement he decided to plug up both and haven't had a problem ever since. He has a ryzen 1700x. Does the one on gigabyte have to be both plugged up?
no, none of them require the 4 pin being connected.. so either he's hooking up something wrong, using the wrong 8 pin or something is wrong with the psu but you should not have to use the 4 pin.
@@sirmonkey1985 the gigabtye board does. We changed the cpu and tried 3 different power supplies. I called customer support they sent my case to a higher up in the company and gigabyte told us to plug it up. Ever since he plug it up he hasn't had any problems. The board has been running fine for 6+ months compared to only lasting 1 month.
one of the top x570
Yay! He switched GIMP to single window mode!
I wish you had discussed the M.2 & SATA slots and what combination can be used simultaneously ?
I'd like to see more in-depth between the Hero and the Formula. As a watercooler, sounds like the Formula, at the rumored price, is bonkers, and as the Man said, is totally unnecessary. And the Hero with a mono block would be overkill and save a couple hundred bucks. I'll stay tuned in.
You and GN sunk the z390 XI hero
Asus bring Asus.
Ignore them, keep pushing dude!
Part of the reason I watch your videos is because I get info Google can't give me. Or at least not easily
Going to tell you why the vrm is mapped like that.. it's because they created a new waterblock that covered everything..the Asus built waterblock has many probes putting everything together makes probes efficient
Come on bruh, give us the Crosshair VIII Impact breakdown we are all waiting on...!
He says in the video he has no other images and that it was a fan that sent him this specific board. After launch he is buying some Asus boards including the DTX Impact, I am most looking forward to that one as well, just sadly got to be patient :/
Hi guys! Does anyone know whether I should go with the Crosshair VIII Hero or the Aorus Master? I know I cant go wrong with any. Thanks a bunch in advance!
Same here. Can't pick. I like the direct phases on Master and the extra M.2 but I like the full USB ports on the Hero.
Hey buildzoid. Will the board work without the extra 4pin :)
I don't feel like it is huge upgrade from my Crosshair VII... gonna stay at X470 & R9 3900X with water cooling.
And that fan... it's a huge con.
And yeah, PCi-E 4.0 is not a pro for me, since I'm not gonna buy overpriced ssds. :p Probably 3900X & C7H will stay til mid-DDR5 era.
question here is if you can hit 3733 MHz and good timings on RAM on x470 board or if x570 will do it better
@@Asghaad this depends on your CPU controller. Ive got bday ram so any zen2 will allow me to hit that sweet spot.
@@SULFURIOUS controller AND motherboard layout and build quality ... and the frequency is just ONE part of the memory OC, voltage and TIMINGS are the other and you might be able to hit 3733 on any board but at what voltage and at what timings is what will make or break the x470 vs x570 question for me.
@@Asghaad im not concerned about anything except CPU controller which blocks me as far. There wont be any difference between x570 and x470 top boards since its mostly same design and layout. The bottleneck is zen and zen+ poor controller capability. Currently max is 3533@14Cl, all settings manual.
Now I can buy the Formula with a clear conscience knowing that Asus did actually quite well with this design!
REALLY? lol Na you'd take the master, this board is sub par for its price, another corner cutter from asus as is the formula imo.
@@veritas6936 I'm watercooling my pc so that waterblock will be quite handy because I didn't see a single monoblock for x570 boards.
You are the Master of the PCB breakdowns, that's it ;)
How many SATA slots and m.2 slots can be populated simultaneously? When watching your other videos you said you think two of the SATA ports will be disabled when using the M.2 slots. After reading the manual thoroughly I do not see any asterisks or notes explaining that any SATA ports will be disabled when using M.2. With older boards like the Z97X, for example, when using an M.2 Slot would disable a SATA port it would have an Asterisk and would explain this and which ports would be disabled when using M.2. Do they not include notes or asterisks in the manuals explaining when using m.2 will disable SATA ports anymore? Or perhaps does this mean that all 8 SATA ports and both M.2 can be populated Simultaneously?
Finally!
I am considering the newer version of this board the Dark Hero one because I prefer a better made board and from a feature set it ticks all the boxes. I will just run a stock 5600X on air but I assume it will be solid enough to keep my system as quiet as possible
I notice the chokes don't really get coverage on mobo breakdowns. The mobo manufacturers love to quote that they're alloy chokes, or rated for a certain number of amps, but I can't really tell what they do or how they affect the VRM quality. (I've tried to read up on what they actually do, but I can't really find good info that's also comprehensible to a layman such as myself.) If these are at all important, I'd love to hear about them on future breakdowns.
I have one with the 3900x.
It's a year later, and the prices are better... So I managed to snag a crosshair VIII formula... And from what I'm looking at the VRM here, I don't really need to run water through that water block.
Still going to anyway, but it's nice to know it's not needed
wow... the 4 pin is ok... i woke up with pain in my neck...
We are subbed for ur long mobo videos 🤠
if power stages are at 80c, water cooling surely will take heat from the case off, being that water absorbs the heat. Not saying that its necessary but still, if you have loop, why not put vrm to it too
sure the watercooling will make them run cooler but it's not like the power stages care much if they are at 80C or 30C.
"why not put VRM on water too" ... maybe because its useless and maybe because it cost a crapton of money to have that block on the VRM that is doing NOTHING there ... well aside of increasing the volume of coolant you need, introducing more points of failure for leakage and increase pressure drop of your loop ...
if i decide to go with x570 i will be expecting EKWB to make chipset block for most higher end boards THEN that might actually be something to invest the money in to get rid of that annoying fan, but for VRM overspecced like this its IDIOTIC to waste money and effort watercooling it ...
@@Asghaad if you do put waterblock, you still need airflow over vrm ( which cpu block does not provide)
@@Asghaad "maybe because its useless and maybe because it cost a crapton of money to have that block on the VRM that is doing NOTHING there " Do you design motherboards as living, cause you seem to know what makes the price of the ASUS top mobo? How much water block cost to ASUS when its most likely designed and maybe manufactured by EKWB for free or close for whom its massive marketing opportunity? Price is very close to Gigabyte top mobo which dont have water block. Water block or not, their top model wouldnt be cheaper than Gigabytes anyway because it would immediately make people think its not as "premium" than Gigabyte. Its personal choice at enthusiast building level to have water cooling system, air cooled, loud, quiet, or run shit military style passive 90c.
@@gizmoriderfulye8007 you are joking right ?
for free ?
waterblocks are low volume product made one at a time by cnc machining ... they are EXPENSIVE AS HELL ...
Its not some cast shit made by thousands in some chinese factory ... its takes time, manpower and seriously expensive machinery (unless you want it made on manual machines which brings the increase in cost in manually done labor ...)
ffs you can clearly see the price of that block in the board prices ... ROg Hero VIII comes at $360 while the Formula is at $700 ... the ONLY difference between those boards is that waterblock meaning it will cost you $360 ... which is about the price one would expect for custom waterblock sold through two margin increases as EK wants its cut and ASUS marks the product up also ...
you obviously do not know anything about watercooling so let me put it in terms you will understand. ordinary waterblock for the GPU, which is simple single chamber block of copper machined into shape with plastic cover, will cost you +-$160 ... the waterblock on the VRM has to be split into two parts which is much harder to machine so basically treat it as TWO blocks ... voila here you go your "basically for free" $340 Waterblock ...
which does NOTHING a good passive heatsink couldnt do on VRM that will at best run at 20% of maximum theoretical capacity ...
its waste of money ... hell you will be paying a cost of the whole motherboard extra for thing that is nothing but a "bling factor" and a bragging right but doesnt affect performance one iota ...
Am looking to buy this motherboard, 3 things i wanna clear out are:
1) As you mentioned that higher RAM speed with above 32 GB might not be recommended, if am right, would it be still good to have a 32 GB higher speed and later maxed out?
2) This motherboard doesn't have HDMI or VGA port to connect monitor, so how to connect dual monitors, as i want to use 2 monitors? Graphic card i think, 1 monitor can be connected?
3) Is liquid cooler really required or the Stock Cooler fan which comes with AMD Ryzen 7 3700X is enough? ... OR how about a Noctua NH-D15 CPU cooler?
One of the (biggest) justification for the massive price hike on the x570 as opposed to x470 or x370 is that. the x570 needs a higher quality pcb 8+ layers because of pcie 4.0. I personally think its nothing but money grab, nevertheless, can you verify that this board is actually 8+ layers? There's nothing new here that the CH7 doesn't have. I'm still trying to figure out the justification for the massive price hike.
I've not yet heard of any X570 board with more than 8 layers. Most are 6 layers and use lower loss PCB materials than past boards. This one should be an 8
We'd be fine with 1 hour long videos. don't worry so much. We like hearing your thoughts.
Ummm ASUS' Crosshair VII PBO overxlocking feature is the best feature it has. Your complaints about ASUS seems like it comes from a place of ignorance of its CH7 board.
I do love Buildzoid still.
He replied so please check his response.
I have a C7H. The way ASUS handles PBO is by far the worst of all the X470 boards I've tried.
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking Then please elaborate. What are you talking about? Is it the Performance Enhancer Levels 3 and 4?
Hey, question about the unnecessary 4-pin power connector.. I'm not _exactly_ sure how the different power stages on this motherboard are mapped out, from the actual CPU to the 4-pin and 8-pin connectors, but I can only assume that without out the extra 4-pin connected, it's possible some some power stages might be underutilized, or not used at all. If that's the case, the whole vrm system would be better off with the extra 4-pin as it would generate slightly less heat, and distribute it across all vrm ic's.
Sweet video :D I def watch if after work.
under 50 mins too.
Can u tell me what is the 9 pin header behind audio and chas fan header. What is it used for looks like usb 2.0 header but it isn't
47 mins! Wooo!
45:06 TL;DW;
thx
The longer the better aka more info ...so Thanks in advance
This can play crysis without a cpu, ram or gpu trust.
"I can even tolarate Gigabyte's meth" well well well
Love the videos, and love the indept coverage. Also, I hit 300w on my 2700X@4.35GHz on water, sure a 3950X couldnt overwhelm a single 8 pin on water alone?
Yeah, guess you're onto something there while Zen2 in 7nm consumes significantly less power - at least so they say... 🤓
@@bjornpaulsen3015 his chip is a unicorn to hit 4.35 without catching fire, probably at 1.4+ volts
@@Tallnerdyguy Damn, and while it was over 1.4v, not that much. 4.4GHz made me pucker a little though, lol.
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If Asus is pricing this the same as Aorus Master and MSI Ace, I would not be buying this one. No because of VRM, but on other QOL features alone. Actually hoping new Aorus UEFI turns out good and useful as you hinted at in another video
but but dat VRM on the master. just think about all the CPUs you can fry with it and still not damage it.
main reason i got this was all them usb ports 17+ 2 type c in total
i got ports for days
4 on my monitor
2 plus a type c on my case
11 plus a type c on the MB
do i need that many no
do i want that many yes
Real question is... This VS Aorus Master? $10 price difference
Crosshair. Aorus RGB Fusion is ass