LUMIX S5IIX Codec & Blackmagic Raw Comparison | Interiors
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ต.ค. 2024
- Comparing the best internal codec (400Mbps) vs the best ProRes that can be written to SSD (1.6Gbps) vs shooting Blackmagic RAW (BRAW) via a Blackmagic Video Assist 12G. Will have to do another one comparing an exterior scene and something with some more movement happening in frame.
BRAW looks way better than the two others.
I think so too. Still, I'm pretty happy with how the ProRes looks after some contrast corrections.
Thanks for comparison, Ive got the s5iix with nvme 2tb drive . I really want to avoid an added monitor just to get braw but it does look smoother and more natural. I wish we could just shoot braw internally. I guess Ill stick to opengate and prores for now and sit on the fence though. cheers
Yeah lugging around the external monitor can be a pain, especially for travel. I hate viewing on the small screen but carrying around that extra weight and rigging gets annoying quickly
Most cinematographers are use to rigging their cameras and using a monitor or viewfinder. If you truly need RAW video, a monitor usually comes with the territory anyway
I would say Braw looks the best even at 12:1. The ProRes looks like it has a gamma shift making it more contrasty and also the files sizes are HUGE. Why didnt you test the LONG GOP? I guess it would look identical to the ALL-I? From what I see that Braw is worth it if you can do it but otherwise the ALL-I / Long Gop are great for convenience.
Agreed. In this case I didn’t expect the L-GOP to look any different and also the all-I was new in the mark II so focused on that
When combining the image you should put the text below to easy define which is which
It’s a good point, I realized after posting it that I probably should have included at least the codec name.
please the title of the music 😍
It's "Wish I'd Never Met You" by Chuck Reed. I found it on MUSICBED.
Top comparison 👌😉
Thanks! 👍
Thank you so much for this comparison. I’ve been struggling with getting good skin tones in V-log 10-bit 422 with my S5IIX, they usually come out a little too splotchy in my experience. In BRAW, those skin tones look great. I’ve got the Blackmagic Video Assist, I just tend to take baby steps towards trying new things. This is push I needed to start recording in BRAW
Glad it was helpful! And yeah the 12-bit color is so nice. I used to shoot only with a Blackmagic P4K, so coming to a mirrorless camera brought tons of convenience, but the downside is the 10-bit color.
@@brandonrude which video assist would you guys recommend? 5 or 7 inch? I already have the Lumix XLR hot shoe accessory but because of it I need to use a specific top handle
@@roastme2079 I have the 5 inch and it’s great and a good size for taking with on a trip, but I often do wish I had the 7-inch, especially if I’m doing manual focus
@@brandonrude the 7" also has the two XLR ports. Are these usable and better than the Lumix XLR hot shoe adapter?
@@roastme2079 haven’t had the opportunity to try out the hot shoe adapter yet but I hear good things. Tbh I’ve only used little 3.5mm shotgun mics so far with mine.
definitely seems to more information in the shadows in BM raw imo
Agreed
I put the iso on automatic. he doesn't go over 6 thousand. what am I doing wrong? I know that the camera's maximum iso is 51 thousand.
Not sure, I’ve never tested that. I think auto iso will only go as high as it needs to, so if your f stop and shutter speed are open enough for exposure it won’t go any higher. Have you tried setting it manually?
looks like highlight roll off is smoother on BRAW, but its hard to say as the exposure and contrast all look different probably due to flatter profile. Skintone looks better too
Agreed on all counts. The 12-bit color in BRAW definitely comes into play with the skin tones I think.
@@brandonrude Since ive tried the BRAW on the s5, the HIGHLIGHT ROLL OFF is definitely better from any angles!
@@Filmsimulation That's def been my experience too
I slightly prefer the BRAW!
Same here! I think the color depth really comes through.
the ALL-I codec looks the best or very similar to Braw in these examples on my 16" MacBook Pro screen
It’s pretty solid
🤯 - Why is that guy walking around just holding that monitor attached to the camera? “Because we’re shooting B-Raw.” So you have someone whose only job is holding that monitor instead of shooting internal codecs? Is B-Raw worth it? “Without question.” (Thank you so much for sharing this comparison. I had no idea there was such a big difference. The B-Raw has so much more depth and texture. At first I thought you were shooting with two different cameras since the difference is so significant. In defense of the internal codecs it may not be realistic for anyone to expect them to compete with the recording power of a dedicated external recorder. But there is a convenience factor foregone, and significant benefits to be gained by pivoting to the BMD video assist. B-Raw shows just how amazing the Panasonic sensor is if someone wants to go the extra mile to achieve maximum image quality. The difference is 🤯 for me. Wow! Thank you very much for sharing this!) 👍😊
Well said! The internal codecs are great but the combination of that sensor and the BRAW color is something special.
prores is really ugly in the shadow of the face.... braw and all intra I would say in thiis order!"
There's an explanation for ProRes over-contrasty look on V-Log.. please read my other comment.
It definitely has more contrast out of camera but it’s also more flexible in the grade. I intentionally didn’t do any corrections here for the test but might in a future video.
it doesnt seems colour wise in the shadows for me mainly @@davidmultimedia2024
@@davidmultimedia2024 dude just saw your other comment. I don’t think your comment you mentioned about vlog in ProRes posted, I didn’t see it and def didn’t delete it
@@davidmultimedia2024 no worries! I know some people are like that.
BRAW looks amazing - just like the Blackmagic Pocket Cinema cams!
I’ve been super pleased with this combo. Planning to do a side by side of this setup with the Pocket 6K soon.
That would be great!@@brandonrude
@@brandonrudeYessss,
Can you make a video on all the lenses you use? I’m think of upgrading from my 20-60 to the sigma 28-70
Right now I only have the LUMIX S 35MM and 50MM f/1.8 for L mount, so i don’t really have much to compare. I guess I also have a Helios 44-2 which I can adapt, so that may be cool to look at new vs vintage.
Thankd for the video! A less discussed drawback of using external braw is that you loose all in camera lens corrections. Distortion seems pretty visible from your braw footage. Thats why Im not sure about investing in lumix lens..how is your experience in this regard?
It’s definitely noticeable but not in a way that bothers me. It also decreases as you stop down below f4, which is probably more relevant for photos than video for most people.
@@brandonrude thank you very Much!!
Hey brandon.. I am intruiged. Does the panasonic S5ii if I use manual focus deliver any more quality than your older S5? Did you sell the pocket 4k?
It does with the new, higher bitrate codecs. Shooting internally with the new 400Mbps ALL-I codec vs the original with the 200Mbps Long-GOP gives much nicer results to my eye.
not a lot of difference , i think internat grade is not pulled up and down enough as much as braw,prores WB is too greeny and braw too bluey
I think I probably should have done a third comparison with the grade and color correction.
Hi brandon, just wanted to know what SSD you're using to record the codecs? Thanks!
Hey man, I use the Samsung T5. So far it’s been super reliable and I haven’t had any issues. I picked up a T7 recently too but I haven’t tried recording to it yet.
The shadows and clean image for BRAW is noticeably superior here...ProRes here very un flattering on the skin. Depending on what you are shooting, but these results show how BRAW shines on human subjects for a softer gradient in shadow detail, highlight rolloff, etc.
Agreed. I might have to do a follow up though and do some clip-level corrections. I think the ProRes looks a lot better after tweaking the contrast and saturation. Still not as good as BRAW, but it’s a real nice option to have.
I’m sorry, call me what you want but I can barely notice any difference between them all (they all look great). I know BM officianados extoll the virtues of their cameras but for me it’s all about the ergonomics and usability and the Lumix S5iiX blows all the BM’s out of the water.
Yeah at the end of the day it all comes down to the situation your shooting and your workflow. I love the BM image but if I’m traveling or moving around a lot I tend to pack the LUMIX by default
The difference is noticeable when color grading specially. There is no blocking, the noise is more organic, recovering highlights or correcting WB in a non destructive way... I have a Pocket 4K as my main camera, and the S5IIX mainly for things that requiere a small camera (social events, dance videos where I don't want to carry a heavy setup, just a light gimbal and the camera, and rely on AF), but I've got a Blackmagic Video Assist for the S5IIX to match exactly the color depth and flexibility of my Pocket 4K whenever is necessary: multicam, heavy color grading, different angles on music videos or fashion films... It opens up a lot of possibilities for me.
@@adrinaik93 well said
I’m using sigma fp right now, and looking to buy another L mount cam to compliment it. Apple ProRes on ssd looks really great. Great work, thank you
Thanks! I’ve actually been thinking of picking up the Sigma fp!
Hey I'm looking to get a 12g to supplement my S5iix as an alternative to the cinema cam. Any chance you still have this equipment and could do a comparison in a bit more of a scene where raw would be more beneficial in post (higher contrast scene... maybe shooting into a backlit subject... golden hour backlit by the sun maybe with the sun peaking through at moment?).
I’ve actually intended to make such a video for a while now. Going to make it happen over my holiday break so stay tuned!
@@brandonrude thank you! The cinema camera braw stomps on the s5iix in a backlit scenario. Hoping I can resolve that by just adding braw to the s5iix (otherwise I’m having a hard time moving away from cinema camera due to the image quality)
Eagerly awaiting this :):)... if you have neat NR and can throw in some NR demos even better... lol I know asking for a lot but the footage out of the BM full frame is defective at 3200 ISO (confirmed by cined) so i think a lot of us are looking to the s5iix with braw.@@brandonrude
Nice comparison! Really straightforward. 👏
Glad you liked it!
Love your videos Brandon. I'm looking to buy a camera to shoot videos on and am strongly considering the S5 iiX with a BlackMagic Assist. I was considering the new full frame Blackmagic cinema cam, but I think the Lumix shooting in BRAW seems like a good option due to it's AF and IS systems. Are there any considerations I need to make when purchasing the video assist, or will it function the same as it would without but film in BRAW? I'm thinking in terms of problems with any lenses used (like anamorphic) or any cropping or anything? Thanks so much, and please keep the great videos coming.
Thanks man. I really want the new BMCC but I can’t really justify the purchase. Depending on the kind of stuff you plan on shooting, the AF and IS are really nice to have. In terms of different lenses, one advantage the VA gives is more anamorphic desqueeze options. The BM cameras can only display 1.33x and 2x, but the VA can also do 1.5x and 1.8x. One thing to consider is if you always want to use an external monitor or not to get the BRAW. Real talk I think either is a great option and will give beautiful images.
@@brandonrude Cheers for getting back to me man. That's good to know. I think I should probably just get the camera with some Lumix lenses at first, then work my way up to the VA + anamorphic lenses, despite the temptation to dive right in. I've previously shot with the Sony A7 sii, which I loved for the low light. It does seem that the Sony cams are starting to date though. Excited to try this one out. Cheers again for your help
can i know what rec conversion luts do u use
No LUTs actually, I use Resolve Color Management. In the past I've used Butterys and Phantom LUTs but for the past year or so I've been working exclusively in a color managed workflow.
Is 6k h265 an option on the s5iix?
Pretty sure it is, there’s a ton of codec and resolution options
lmao that ending
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Which codec do you prefer?
BRAW and then ProRes. The internal codec looks great too though.
why 12:1?
Just to save hard drive space. Probably could/should have gone higher for this test but I left it on my default of 12:1 and didn't think to change it.
@@brandonrude Or… alternatively, perhaps the 12:1 shows that BRAW crushes even in 12:1, illustrating that BRAW is just that powerful. 😊👍
@@cobymarcum1442 that too!