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Do you really Need the BlackMagic Video Assist 12g for Lumix S5/S5II/S1? BRAW Full Frame Download
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ก.ค. 2023
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Hi guys, in today's video I'll talk about the 5" Blackmagic video assist 12g. A great monitor that I love to use with my Panasonic Lumix S1 & S5, but also with cinema cameras that I often rent like the RED Komodo. Next to be a fantastic super bright monitor, with all the inputs and outputs I need, this is also a solid external recorder that let me film in BRAW or Apple ProRes HQ.
- Positive Aspects of the BMD VA 5" = Small, Lightweight, Well Built, Bright Monitor (2500 Nits), 12g SDI IN-OUT, HDMI IN-OUT, 2 Battery Slots, SD and SSD Recording, BRAW & ProRes HQ Recording Options.
- Negative Aspects of the BMD VA 5" = Lack of Audio Inputs (get the 7" if you need them), Digital Sharpening with Lumix S Cameras (not present on Fujifilm Cameras).
If you would like to test some BRAW footage, in this link you can download the clips. Please don't forget to like and subscribe, it's a nice way to say thank you!
Google Drive Link: In the Community Tab Section (available if you're subscribed to the channel)
512gb V60 SD Card that works for 24fps 5.9k BRAW 8:1 (Tested) = geni.us/gubej
Affiliate Amazon Link of the VA 12g: geni.us/JIz9v
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![Blackmagic Cinema Camera 6K vs Panasonic Lumix S5ii [Including BRAW]](/img/n.gif)
With the S5II(x) Panasonic finally fixed their external RAW output.
Each chroma channel gets delivered separately and without debayering which results in tons of texture, resolution and the addition of highlight recovery.
The result is at least twice as good as before and outperforms the internal output in every single discipline finally :)
Thanks for the feedback Dennis! I hope Panasonic will fix this problem on the first generation of Lumix S. I would love to be able to use BRAW more often
@@LucaBono.Studio If it's not a hardware issue, it should be possible easily.
I was quite shocked (positively) when I first tested out BRAW on the S5IIX. It is mindblowingly good. Even the grain looks many times nicer.
@@DennisSchmitz How is it compare to the pros hq?
@@DennisSchmitz Fingers crossed for the update, I also think it's possible to do it. For some commercial projects I've filmed in BRAW with the Pocket 6K, and I know how pretty the footage can be...that's why I was a bit disappointed when I start to play with the Lumix S and the VA 12g 😅
@@LucaBono.Studio Yea, the Pocket 6K looks almost as good as the S5IIx with BRAW :D
Man. you are my hero as a panasonic user, you helped me a lot specially that I just shifted from canon to panasonic and I got the very undervalued S1. I'm glad I did. Thank you very much!!!!
Glad I could help!
I also just switched from Canon to Panasonic! 🤓 Switched from an older Canon 5d mkii to the Lumix s5iix.
Enjoy your life my brothers! 🔥👍
CHRIS*STARR ✌️🤓❤️
@@alazaruz Wow that's a very huge leap! I came from apsc Canon m6 mark II then to S1 which is a autofocus downgrade but just for now a B cam I will also get the S5IIX like you cheers man!!!!
Thank you so much Luca! The footage is much appreciated. I am hoping that Blackmagic will soon release an updated version of the 12G HDR external recorders, with a more 'modern' look (slightly slimmer, with smaller bezels), USB C port shifted to the side, and ideally a CFExpress Type B slot. I love the idea of working with BRAW, but the recorders seem a bit cumbersome at present.
Also thanks for your insights of RAW versus the internal. I have the S1 and have been wondering about the advantages of getting the external recorder since some time now
You're welcome mate! Yeah, a newer version of the VA will be nice and hopefully they'll add an audio input for the 5" too! Cheers!
@@LucaBono.Studio Oh yes. That would be fantastic. Hopefully it will arrive soon :)
Same observations.
but nothing has been released so we're doomed
@@mousbleu They did announce the 6K Cinema Camera with L mount, SSD recording (which was there earlier too) and CFExpress Type B, it is a good indicator that these features could trickle down to next gen VA, whenever that comes out :)
Thank you for the video and the sample footage! I downloaded and tried to grade them. I agree, they look artificially "sharpened" for some reason(and I think that's what you referred to as digital looking). There are quite a bit of moire and aliasing happening. I wonder if that was caused by some weird upscaling/downscaling during the BRAW interpreting/recording process. I have never seen those issues with my bmpcc4k or 6k pro.
You're welcome! Yeah, there's not much we can do about the digital sharpening...panasonic or bm did something wrong here
I should get my VA in few days, I am looking forward to test with my S5ii
It would be nice if you write a feedback about your experience, it will be helpful for all of us ✌🏻
Hi. Great video! Does the HDMI and SDI OUT work as a loop out during recording and if so does it cross convert between HDMI and SDI?
Luca, thanks for your video. Please, I have a question for you: I was surprised to see the video assist displaying 5.9k video, as far as I know it only records up to 4k DCI. How does this work? Thanks
It records in 5.9k 16:9 in full frame. 4k DCI in S-35 crop ✌🏻
@@LucaBono.StudioSame as black magic 6k it seems
i'd love a new Video Assist with a SSD caddy like the Atomos, and USB power delivery. So a cheap powerbank could power both the recorder and the S5 through usb PD.
That would be nice, I agree!
Google Drive Link: In the Community Tab Section (available if you're subscribed to the channel)
Nice video! I would like to hear you zalk about the delay as this is the biggest problem with these cameras.
Also, I'm wondering about the digital look of the braw. With my testing, picture wise, there isntwo big reasons why using braw. 1. Denoising in camera is brutal. Dark colors get destroyed by it. 2. Look at the hue channel or key a color (sp hue+sat, not a luminance value) and conpare. In camera has huge squares. Braw has so much more detail. Important when colorgrading or greenkey shoots. Somehow not a single youtube review mentions this. This is the difference between 4:2:2 or 4:2:0 (in 6k) and 4:4:4 of braw
Thanks Oliver! I did speak about the HDMI delay in the last video about Lumix S cameras. Yeah, I agree with you about the better quality of BRAW. Cheers!
Nice vid. I designed a product called LCDVF BM5 a few years back to make up for all the shorfalls and to add some nice convenience features.
Sounds great! I never heard about it...what's that?
Great video! Can you also make a video qhere you show all the different types of resolution that Braw has with the S1? I would love to now how it react with the 4:3 Braw option (like rolling shutter, colors, noise ext.), because I really love the 4:3 option, it has a super fast sensor readout, i hope it's still there in Braw!
Thanks! I'll upload some sample clips on drive in 4:3 nex month, so you can test the quality yourself ✌🏻
Thanks for making this video and proving sample footage! 👏👏👏
Thank you for making this great video, and sharing those files samples.
You're welcome!
I can't see the sharing files¿?¿?!. Where is the link?
I am actually thinking of getting this one now after seeing your review Luca - I tend to use the Atomos Ninja V but your review highlighted some stuff I think would benefit my workflow,
Yeah the VA 12g is a better monitor than the Atomos Ninja V, imho. Maybe try it first ;)
From an insider i heard that it is possible to activate internal BRAW recording on the S5iix, but for legal reasons panasonic locked it out.
I've no idea about...maybe someone of the Panasonic people can say something about it
Yeah it should have been possible for them to put a cfexpress card slot on the camera too...
thanks so much for the downloads!
Sharpening can be fixed by turning it down in camera.
Hdmi latency issue can be fixed by turning of audio over hdmi.
Hdmi signal should not have any processing at all Panasonic must fix this!
None of them can be fixed. But Panasonic should definitely fix the debayer of BRAW
sadly none can be fixed..thats the luxury of shooting on lumix s..lol
@@LucaBono.Studioi thought the BRAW is controlled by the video assist? How can Panasonic fix it? I thought this sharpening was occurring in the bmpcc 6k as well?
Panasonic fixed this problem with the new S5II/X, so they should release a FW update for the first generation of Lumix S cameras.
@@LucaBono.Studio I think we wont see anymore updates for the 1st lumix S..they are already considered old as they are working on the new ones...its been a while we did nt get any update outside of lens and the new s5ii+ ..I just feel sad for these people who used their hard earned money for s1r..they barely got any updates :S
Luca thanks for this video hope all is well. When it comes to Panasonic the Panasonic S1H and Panasonic S5 Mark ii X have both Caught my eye alongside the Panasonic gh5s
Thanks! Yeah, these cameras are sweet
Great video Luca. Keep it up!
Thanks!
thank you for putting samples for download .it's hard to find .
You're welcome and thanks for watching!
Ciao Luca, ottima recensione come sempre!
Il monitor registratore in questione quando settato per registrazioni braw 4K 25p croppa?
Grazie mille!
Grazie Marco! Si, croppa in s35. Se vuoi I'll full frame devi filmare in ProRes o 5.9k BRAW
Hello, thanks for the great video! I have the S5 II X and shoot in 5.8 K prores. Does that work with this monitor?
You're welcome! I don't know, sorry. I never used that camera. Cheers!
The S5IIx and Video Assist combo is interesting, but the latency coming out of the camera is just awful, plus the fact that the Video Assist uses external SSDs for recording which adds more bulk to the rig-at least with the Ninja V there’s a tightly integrated SSD. I would rather film direct to SSD on the S5IIx, adjust the exposure and white balance more carefully, and grade the V-log. To film BRAW I already have Blackmagic cameras in my kit.
Yeah, if you have the S5IIx you'll be good without an external monitor/recorder...just use AF lenses and external ProRes ✌🏻
I have an s5iix. I just got a VA, and film in V log for grading via 1TB SSD.
There's a company I use called KONDOR BLUE that worked with LUMIX & created an internal SSD HANDLE.
No extra bulk, much cleaner setup.
It's awesome!
CHRIS*STARR ✌️🤓❤️
@@alazaruz Except when you’re on a gimbal and don’t want all that extra weight up high. I prefer to clamp a Sabrent Rocket Nano SSD to the side of my cage. Takes up much less space when I don’t want a handle. And when I do want a handle, it’s easy enough to add one. I think my solution costs a fair bit less as well. Just the same, I agree that Kondor Blue makes some good kit, and the integrated handle is kinda slick, but for my use it seems like a constraint to have my storage dependent on the handle.
@@waveland does it work with the new sabrent nano v2 1tb or 2tb?
@@alazaruzWhy shoot pro res instead of braw
Hi Luca. I'm highly interested in the ghosting images you are talking about. Can you tell us more on this. You say that the internal processing (that the clean output does not expose in recent upgrades) + LongGOP can cause these ghosting situations with motion. Did you see if All Intra or Prores (which is all intra) could partially solve thi issue? BTW thanks for your videos. Always very informative and short enough.
Hi Rudi! If you film in Prores is less visible, but it's still there by a small amount. The ghosting will completely go away if you film in RAW.
Keep in mind that I see this problem of ghosting in all the consumer cameras, except for the FX6 (with the denoiser turned off)
@@LucaBono.StudioS1h also have option to turn noise reduction from 0 to - 1 and this reduce hosting.
Hi. And where are the samples?
Hi Luca, thank you so much for samples. It's gold!!! Castle show up dramatic aliasing - what I was scared for. Sunset showed no restore of highlight (but seems they fixed it for 5siiX now). But all your footage from "s1". Is Assist same good with 5s??? It seems that with s5 with low bitrate it will be more dramatic difference with BRAW. But some folks say that s5 have noise reduction backed in to BRAW and result not so sweet... Any notice?
You're welcome! The S5 has some more noise than the S1/S1H, especially on the second circuit of the gain. At the end of the day, you can live with that...it's not a big difference
How timely I was just Looking at this monitor! I’ve liked the video before watching it!
Legend! Thanks mate! 🤙🏻
Hey I downloaded the footage and graded it thanks. But I really don't see a much difference that would make me want to shoot Raw? The DR seems the same the as Internal. Would be the reason I need the VA. I'm just trying to figure out why I would want to invest into VA if I can't really see a difference?
You'll have better noise pattern in the shadows, higher bit depth and better motion with BRAW. Is up to you if these aspects are important for your eyes....for me, personally, they're important for some projects
@@LucaBono.Studio I appreciate you more then you know! These are very important for me! Also not much is said about sound online? Does it capture sounds or should I opt for 7inch version for with mini XLR
It records up to 16 audio channels. The 7" inch is a better buy because of the 24bit preamp and 2 mini xlr ports
Heyy, I'm very grateful to you, for your videos (was watching even before buying s5iix week ago), now thinking of buying recorder, do you know whether it adds aditional exposure latitude/dynamic range comparing to internal v-log in all-i/prores hq?
You're welcome! Honestly I've no idea...I never touched the Lumix S5II or S5IIx
How do you deal with the HDMI Lag??? I love my Panasonic S1 and S5 cameras, but sometimes I have to resort to manual focus. And the HDMI lag scares me if using an external monitor to help focus :(
I use the screen of the camera as much as I can and I keep the monitor zoomed in, to check critical focus only (with Lumix S cameras). It's not the best solution, I know...
@@LucaBono.Studio Thank you for the suggestion.
7" is huge though, so if you need some portability it is better to go with 5" I think... (I have 7" variant)
I'm very happy with the 5" version. I normally use 7" on set with the crew. Cheers!
great video Luca
Thank you Frank!
Hello, you mentioned the free test footage in the description but in the description there is no link!
Hi, the link is in the community tab page of youtube
thank u for provided footages. anyway mpoire on castle is preety obvvious!
Yes, the moire is pretty strong in s35
thank you. very useful. subscribed
Thanks for the support 🙏🏻
Nice video. Can you output the 6k raw from the s5 to it?
Thanks! Yes, you can film in 5.9k up to 30fps. Cheers!
Great video man, thanks 👍 🤓✌️
Glad you enjoyed it
What's the difference between the 5" and 7" aside from the size? Does the 7" provide more functionality?
Don't think so, but they have their differnt g versions for both sizes
On the 7" you have the mini XLR input and you can record on both SD cards at the same time.
Weight. 7” will make your rig heavier.
The lag on the S5 is a huge bummer tho ;(
Can u give us a tutorial on how to connect the monitor to our s5iix camera? I am struggling
What difficulties are you encountering?
@@LucaBono.Studio my monitor isn’t connecting to the camera, when I try to turn on the HDMI Raw Data output it won’t allow it. It says This item cannot be set in the current mode
System Frequency 24.00Hz CINEMA). I don’t know what that means
Yeah, you are right. I just checked on the S5IIx, that I recently got. You can't film in BRAW at 24hz with this camera, you should switch to NTSC or PAL :\
The most annoying part of the video assist is that it's marketed as being HDR, it's right on the front of the freaking display, yet when recording in BRAW you can't get any HDR preview. That part to me is absolutely wild. Yet some blackmagic cameras have HDR up to PQ 1000 nits on the in camera display LUT options, and the cheaper Atomos devices all allow for HDR real time viewing. The marketing vs real world workflow on that is just absolutely unforgivable.
Whats funny too is it works amazingly well with HLG on the panasonics. There you can get an HDR preview perfectly, even better than any alternative. Its just too bad they dont do a better job with raw to HDR viewing.
Good to know, thanks! I didn't notice this problem
@@LucaBono.Studio Its not a problem if you arent planning on exporting in HDR, so youre likely totally fine. But for the few of us into HDR...its a saddening thing.
Sorry if this is not the right place to ask you.... But, Have you tried AFC on S5II with MC21 or other adapters with ef lens with the latest firmware 2.0? PdAF-AFC is still fully functional?
Hi! I don't know...I never touched the Lumix S5II/X
The Blackmagic video assist can record 5.8k/6k 12bit braw from S1H or GFX100II ?
From the S1H, yes you can. I'm not sure about the gfx
Thanks for the footage link
Are you saying the with the latest firmware and NR set to low the S1 has visible ghosting with the internal codec? I know both the S1 and S1H had horrendous looking noise reduction originally but I thought it was taken care of after later firmware.
I see that ghosting on the S1 amd S5...many people don't see it. At the end of the day, unless you're filming commercials or films, the internal codec is good enough.
So is the footage from the S1 or the S5ii?
Are these compatible with lumix g9?
Does this allow for timecode jam?
So you physically need the BlackMagic Video Assist 12g to actually record BRAW on this camera?
You cannot record BRAW without BVA12 to a external SSD? and if not on S5II is that also the same for the DC-S5IIx ?
Hi! I've the old Lumix S5, but it's the same for all the cameras....you need the BMVA 12g to be able to record in BRAW, or you can buy a BMD Cinema Camera. Cheers!
Bro amazing man.. how did you expose for BRAW ??
Thanks! I've exposed for the middle gray
How did you connect the monitor to to view on resolve i coulndt get it to show when i did this method
Change the settings inside DaVinci
Hi! Ive downloaded your test footage, thanks for sharing! Have you seen I strange sort of "colored banding" on the castle? It is very clear to see specially on the second "tower" from left to right... any idea what it might be? Thanks
Yes, I have. It's Moiré caused by the absence of the OLPF + the bad debayered rgb information of BRAW
@@LucaBono.Studio is there a way to avoid that? I’m considering the combo S5iix + BMD video assist and this kind of artefacts scares me … any suggestions? Thanks!
With the S5IIx you shouldn't have this problem ✌🏻
@@LucaBono.Studio Thanks!
My S1H has not got anywhere near the HDMI lag on my Ninja V
Also when you record in ProRes RAW?
Does it matter which black magic monitor I have?
You need the 12g version of the monitor. Cheers!
Is it possible to record open gate 3:2 externally (BRAW)?
Thanks
Not with the Lumix S cameras. With fujifilm xh2s you can. Cheers!
Theres still no highlight recovery in braw for S1?
Nope!
Oh my God, what's up with that crazy latency? 1:40 - With that it seems as it is impossible to focus pull with that setup. Did it received an update? Nice vid, thanks for sharing the information Luca!
Yeah, it's wild. It might be the hdmi cable, but I've tried every single cable from amazon (8K 2.1 HDMI) and I'm getting sort of the same latency when I film in BRAW. If you don't record in BRAW the latency is less. Cheers!
Can you record open gate externally
Yes, you can do it with some cameras. For example you can't do it with the Lumix S cameras, but you can do it with Fujifilm cameras.
@@LucaBono.StudioMan Panasonic pisses me off sometimes
Does still crop in 4k60fps?
Yes, it does
@@LucaBono.Studio oh well i guesd i have to live with that crop no matter what lol, thank you for responding
So its useless to use braw on the og s5?
No, it's not useless...if you can live with the digital sharpening, there are a tons of advantages while using the VA 12g
@@LucaBono.Studio Is the digital sharpening really that bad that you cant use it on a professional work space? people are saying its muddy, the texture is bad. I dont really know now :'(
There's the sample footage that you can download. Then you can check yourself if it's tolerable or not. IMHO it's fine for videography projects and small commercials
Quick Answer: No you dont not need a Black Magic Monitor to film on a S5 II X.
Why? 😂
Probably not 😅