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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 มิ.ย. 2024
- Attention Panasonic Lumix S5ii & S5iix Owners.
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00:00 - Start
00:19 - Which Looks Better?
02:24 - Steps To Get BRAW
04:04 - Test 1
04:40 - Test 2
05:13 - Test 3
06:05 - Test 4
06:40 - Test 5
07:20 - Test 6
07:49 - Test 7 - แนวปฏิบัติและการใช้ชีวิต
![Blackmagic Cinema Camera 6K vs Panasonic Lumix S5ii [Including BRAW]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/iuzKtL8p5M8/mqdefault.jpg)
![Blackmagic Cinema Camera 6K vs Panasonic Lumix S5ii [Including BRAW]](/img/tr.png)
Please drop a comment down below if you'd like me to do any additional tests or explore specific topics in greater detail. I'll be sure to create a follow-up video accordingly.
Studio is not really a good environment to see the difference between the internal codec and BRAW. If you shoot an outdoor scene with a lot of details, the difference is huge. The internal codec is sometimes 'making up colors.' On trees with green leaves and brown bark, everything is just green. With BRAW, everything is as it's supposed to be and much sharper.
Noted, going to be running much more testing so will keep this in mind, thanks.
There is no difference in actual sharpness in terms of detail. BRAW usually adds a little bit of sharpening. And in terms of general image quality, the difference is minimal if at all. However if you're doing massive shifts in colour balance and exposure, you'll see a notable difference.
Late reply but this isn't true, BRAW is 4:4:4 so no color subsampling, it also completely skips the noise reduction which is usually heavy in chroma channels, destroying fine color detail. BRAW this time on the S5ii/X isn't sharpened. It's a night and day difference compared to the internal codecs, including ProRes 5.8K, simply because the camera is currently heavy with the processing, let's see if we can get them to dial it back.
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@@alihammad6318 colour subsampling doesn't lead to loss of visible detail but reduces colour fidelity and might cause banding or false colour when a heavy grade is applied. And the internal NR can be turned all the way down to a point where it's pretty much non existent as you have control over it.
@@Wildridefilms visible detail is a spectrum, loss of color resolution can smooth over bumps and texture like on skin and hair and other finely detailed items. But with a good enough 4:2:2 codec it's not an issue. Issue is, the processing before it gets to the codec.
Internal NR wise it can absolutely be turned down, but at the moment it's pretty heavy handed on the S5iix and leads to legitimate loss of fine detail. I'm working on a detailed comparison to show Panasonic and hopefully get them to fix it.
I'm looking "under the hood" with Neat Video and there's noticeable chroma blurring/smearing even in the best 5.8K prores codec. But even the highest compression BRAW 12:1 which has file sizes slightly bigger than internal all-intra retains more color information as it's unprocessed.
Finally, someone that covers a software upgraded S5ii and even shows how it works! I was really on the fence about getting it for my S5ii. This definitely makes the decision a lot easier.
Glad I could help!
6:30 the red in shadows on the Pocket 6K comes from the missing IR cut filter. If you add one these cameras will be much closer.
totally agree, easy fix. just wanted to shoot the cameras as they come out the box to keep it as fair as possible.
I'm looking to buy a touch monitor for the S5iix - I see you brought the BM-Video Assist 7 - I'm looking for something to mount while shooting. Great vids and learning a lot. So cheers!
I can’t wait for my Full Frame 6k to come through. I have been using an S5IIx to get a feel for open gate filming. I’ve learned a lot but prefer to have the option of internal BRAW, especially for gimbal work. The Video Assist is a bulky pain to rig up with the Lumix-especially since I only happen to have the 7” version. Beyond that I’m glad you spent some time pointing out how much easier it is to correct problems using BRAW. In the real world, mistakes happen, light changes, settings get overlooked while under pressure, and BRAW makes it much easier (and faster, time is money!) to adjust problem footage and get all the clips matched up. Users need to hear this more often instead of the outdated line I hear a lot, “well _____ shot in 8-bit and did just fine.” Maybe so, but they probably struggled for hours to fix color and exposure problems, that with BRAW, can be corrected in moments.
Could not agree more, people always have this impression that you only need raw for "big budget" productions, when its the smaller, faster paced stuff, where mistakes will get made. where raw really saves the day.
Great video, I'd love to see the s5iix with its proresHQ output to ssd, compared to the BRAW. Is it really worth messing around with raw and LUTS if proresHQ is so good? Is the time and effort and cost of the video assist 12G really worth it when proresHQ offers so much quality out of the box. (Just get the white balance and focus right in camera)
You are the first person that has done a very detailed video comparing S5IIX braw vs bmpcc6k braw. I would love to have more video comparisons outdoors to see how the ibis affects the performance or if it does not add more value.
Thanks for the comment. Great idea I'm going to work on a follow-up video with more tests and will add in some IBIS tests 🙌
Unreal content. Such an underrated camera and it's why I'm switching from the BMPCC 6K. Any advice on setups? Looking to use the kondor blue top handle ssd holder with a falcam cage to have the flexibility in the quick release system. How do you record externally? and would a rotation of three Panasonic batteries work for a day shoot or go V-mount?
compared to a Pocket 6K, you'll be using a lot less power, that's one of the great things if you want to rig up and last days use a v mount. if not any old 3/4 batteries of Amazon will get you through a day keeping things light and small. I got myself the 7" BM video assist for external rec as it has 2 SD card slots and gives you 2 XLRs (I used in this video for the mic BTW) but if you don't need them I'd definitely get the 5" model as it is smaller and seems more balanced size wise. not used one but I like the look of the Kondor blue top handle, will probably get one in sometime soon.
@@OBP_thanks, can't wait to see how that turns out. Looking at the SmallRig non black mamba as it has two cold shoes on top but will wait for your review. Any chance of knowing what sd card and settings you recorded BRAW? Just wondering how far can you push the BMVA? Could you get 256gb/512gb 4k60fps at 8:1 compression on yours? Just know blackmagic are notorious for certain cards to not work or be recommended.
First time I saw your video I had to get used to your accent and now this is becoming one of my favs channel. Great content!
I heard about the HDMI latency on the S5ii, did it occur to you while making this video? Is there any fix?
The HDMI lag is present if you're looking for it. But when shooting it goes away pretty fast. I also heard about an issue where the audio drifts off sync but I could not get that one to happen (although I was using the XLR input on the BM recorder for my mic). Thanks for the comment 🙏
Should test how far you can push the grading.
Very nice information video.
Hey bud, I'm thinking of making the switch to Blackmagic but I was wondering how if you used After Effects, Photoshop/ Lightroom. If so, do you still use them or how did you transistion away when switching to Resolve?
Great vid as always btw!
for me, moving over in terms of editing was pretty easy as resolve is just as good if not better than anything from Adobe. I pay for Lightroom & Photoshop subscription from Adobe as it's the cheapest option and I really love Photoshop. After-effect is a tricky one, I have never really gotten my head around fusion, I'm getting better and friends keep telling me that if you really take the time to learn it, it's a very powerful tool but its a massive learning curve from after effect.
I think we have to use IR cut filters with all of the pocket models. It’s hard to judge any comparison with using one.
Great video, the Black Magic cameras both look more natural but if they weren’t side by side the Panasonic S Series cams are very good, you just have to work harder to get the look you want.
At least for me with my S1 and Pocket 4k. At 8:17 the User and Pocket 6k just have more of a green cast.
Yeh totally, with the use of OLPF filter & IR cut would defo help, but I just wanted to shoot the cameras as they are out of the box to keep thing fair.
I think it would make more sense to see what are the actual differences in highlights and shadows and etc.
Nice tests ! What's your codec settings on the S5ii ?
Was using the .MOV 4K 422. 🙌
The image between bmraw in Lumix and the intern bmraw in Blackmagic itself is quite similar. I don't see any differences
I have a pair of questions about stabilization
Is the IBIS good enough to use manual vintage lenses handheld when walking?
Can the S5IIX store gyro data to stabilize in gyroflow in post?
Stabilization doesn't get any better than S5ii, with all 3 options turned up to max it truly is crazy what results you can get. Although it feels a little robotic sometimes. I like to have 1 or 2 of the settings on and the result can be amazing. And for the post-gyro data, I am not aware that this is possible.
@@OBP_ thank you! 🙏
Hey man. Appreciate your test. Did a video regarding BRaw on the GH6 myself on my channel.
But just a quick tip. You might want to redo the test regarding white balancing. As I’ve also explained on my channel, white balancing using the temperature/tint is probably the least effective way for someone to correct a white balance error because it actually balance the image but instead adds more colors on the opposite end, when in reality you want to take away colors and add others.
I personally found using the offset color wheel with “printer lights” checked on from the color tab at the top, to be the most effective way for white balancing correcting and I have gotten much closer to what the BRaw and other Raw footage’s actually would give.
Hope that helps
Makes sense. I use this way when grading my projects normally. It's just not as effective to demonstrate on camera. Will keep it in mind for future tests. Thanks for the comment.
For those not familiar, the BRAW comparison in test 6 at about 7:28 might have more IR pollution in the Pocket and URSA. I am pretty sure the pocket and URSA don't have strong IR filters built in. I am guessing the S5ii has one built in.
Yeah, correct. An OLPF & IR Cut filter would improve the BMs a lot.
Where the heck did you go to find the upgrade to unlock prores? I can't find it anywhere. Thanks!
Don't know where you are based, but I am in the UK and got it from Wex Photo Video
Looking at the Video Assist product page and the list of BRAW supported cameras I'm surprised at how few there are, only 1 Canon and no Sony. I'm sure there's reasons for this but I wonder if it means the supported cameras have the various BRAW codecs built in or if the footage gets encoded to BRAW on the Video Assist. I mean, is it only a business arrangement that means you need to buy a Video Assist in order to record BRAW? If the camera has the codecs built in, you should be able to record it to an external SSD, right? I'm not a pro videographer like you, by the way, just curious about the tech.
yeah right, I have also been down this line of thought. think the whole compressed RAW files is patented by RED the camera manufacture. so I believe, Blackmagic with Braw, Apple with Pro Res Raw, all have to pay RED to use the concept. This is why Lumix charge for the upgrade or charge more for the S5iix with it already installed. this mite have changed but its how it used to be. I also herd Blackmagic CEO grant say in an interview that wants Braw is every camera and would offer it to anyone wanting it. so maybe its just a money / brand politics issues
I can't remember where I read it, but I seem to remember that the camera manufacturer has to provide the details of the RAW output of their particular camera(s) to Blackmagic. Blackmagic will then program their Video Assists to encode that RAW format into BRAW. I'm not sure what other business arrangements might be required.
Hi. I have the panasonic S5 II X and thinking about buying the monitor. But can is use it as ONLY a monitor? I have a SSD connected to the panasonic on USB C. That one i want to use to record the video material.
Yes it's fantastic as just a monitor, and also you can plug in an SSD to the monitor and capture BRAW to the SSD if needed.
@@OBP_ Thank you so much for your answer.
Brother, you’re a hero! Great content as usual 🙌🏽
Thanks as always man, appreciate that!
Wonder why the s5ii braw compared to 6k pro and ursa looks so washed out? interesting. I guess the different white balance on each camera. I recently got the assist 5 12g for s5iix and digging the ease of use in davinci. I may pickup a full frame 6k BM just because its L mount but not sure yet. Thanks for the comparison
Maybe a different lens or the EF-Adapter wasn't great (happened to me lol)
whenever I shoot with the Lumix in camera test (internal and BRAW it seems) when converted to 709 in resolve it always has a little less contrast. This is something I have noticed over time, it's a super easy fix, but I don't like to go messing with anything as it can make the test unfair that way, i just leave stuff as is out of camera.
I wish there was an option to pay a license and have it recorded internally rather than buying extra bulky screen for Braw.
can you do BRAW slow motion with the S5IIX ?
Yes, 4.1k 50/60FPS.
Can you change the ISO in post like with the BMPCC’s?
Not when using the Video Assist. That feature is only available on Blackmagic cameras that record Braw internally.
you can change exposure what is identical to ISO.
As mentioned already, no ISO change. but all the ISO change dose is move the exposure slider, so its all the same thing.
At 7:21 it looks like both Black Magic Cameras have IR pollution in the blacks on your shirt. The S5ii looks more accurate.
does anyone know how to change settings to shoot open gate on video for lumix s5iix?
im confused on that!
Under your resolution options. Go all the way to the top (or left if you are on the quick menu) should say 6k or 5.9K that's open gate. A way to tell is, where all your info lays around your display (iso, aperture, white balance) if this shows black behind the text you are not in open gate. If there is a video showing under the text information you are in open gate. 🙌
@@OBP_ THANK YOU!!! 🙏🏻
is this camera better then the xh2s for video
Great question. That might have to be a video by itself.
BRAW?? I haven't Seen ""BRAW?? In The Model Name anywhere Of The Panasonic Lumix S5II ??
What is That?
Thanks
Just sold my Lumix S5ii. The moire on both stills and movies was really bad.
I can't point out why, but I don't like the stills coming from the S5II, maybe because of the details rendering or something else. I just like the S5 more.
The volume on your videos are very low. I have to crank up the volume on my system to hear what you're saying.
Other than that...great content!
Noted. Thanks for the feedback.
You can use ACES to adjust WB in post on non RAW footage to get similar results to what you see with BRAW. BRAW is after all not actually RAW.
Interesting, sounds cool. Will investigate for sure. Thanks, man.
Hurt me. But my 5” was $830!!! Not cheap at all!! Love my BRAW
I hear you, although compared to monitors from small HD and Atomos. It's a pretty decent price all said and done.
color are much better like that roll off, more color bit, skin more natural look