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Do you live in Alabama?! I just bought my first fox like 4 days ago. Took me 3 years to find the one I wanted. Unfortunately I know 0 history on it but under the hood was the cleanest and most stock that I could find. She is idling rough and drops rpms at about 3k. Been working on it for 2 days using your vids to try and figure it out. I need your help haha I wonder we live close to each other lol. I would love to send you some pics of the car.
Congratulations on your new fox! Sorry you’re having some issues with it.. I know that sucks after just buying it. I wish I could take on subscribers cars but unfortunately I don’t have to the time with a full time job and all the projects going on around the house. Feel free to post further details of how the car is running and any info you can and I’ll pin your comment at the top of the video. I’ll do my best to help as will others on the channel!
@@BREW2LFOXBODY haha I absolutely understand. I have 4 kids that keep me crazy busy with sports. I retired from the military a few years ago so I have plenty of time in the mornings at least lol. I plan to do most of it myself but some things are a bit out of my league. Just a small world I suppose because I have a feeling you live pretty close to me haha. But yeah I will try and give a more in depth of what it is doing. Wish you could see the engine bay I think you would be surprised because I was blown away at how good of condition it was.
Only visible mods the car has is an intake and a sve duel fan radiator. Under the hood is extremely clean and well kept. From the looks of it was a smog car. It fires up every turn of the key. I have replaced the distributor,wires,plugs,oil and oil filter. It had an oil leak from the oil level sensor because the sensor was broke off so I plugged it for now. It does have a small leak from the passenger side valve cover gasket but only when hot. (Gonna break the message into parts.)
I have already done the timing and when I got the car it was at 20 degrees timing. I backed it back down to 14/15 degrees with 93 octane. May try 10 or 12 degrees tomorrow. Prior to doing the idle reset I was able to get it to idle fine last night but I had to go way in with the idle screw and had it idling great at 800 to 900 rpms after reving to make sure the idle was set. Then drove it and drove the best so far but when I got to the gas station the idle jumped up to like 1400. Then this morning I did the factory idle reset and I had to back my idle screw way back down because the tps was at 1.35+. I was only able to move the tps enough to drop it like .10 to .15. Then i fired it up after hooking the iac and letting the computer do its thing it seemed to be working and idling perfectly at about 650 to 700. Then I drove it and it was the worse since I have had it. Ill go into detail of what its doing when I drive it next.
So when I first test drove it, it felt strong but it would cut off on me at stop signs. Also when about 50% to 75% throttle the RPMs would just drop off about 500 to 1k at about 3k RPMs and then jump right back up and keep going up. Sudden hard drop of RPMs. The car was definitely bucking in 1st and 2nd so im assuming there is a vacuum leak some where that I will search for tomorrow. Last night when I got the car to idle at 800 to 900 rpms with the IAC unplugged and drove it, it felt great and it didnt drop rpms on the way to the store. Once there the idle shot up to the 1400 and then went back to dropping rpms hard again. After the idle reset today and I drove it, it started driving real bad bucking again and dropping rpms multiple times through each gear at 75% throttle and some times even when just cruising and not gaining speed. I drove it to my kids practice to let the comp learn and when I got there it cut off and was having a hard time start back up. So I unplugged the IAC to at least get it to idle a bit better and to see if it would help with the rpm drops on the way home but it didnt.
I run a stock Explorer engine with the basic ON3 kit. I’ve had zero issues with it going on 3 years now. At 11lbs, it made 555hp to the wheels! Best bang for the buck ever created imo. 👍
thats sounds like a steal
What supporting mods ? Cam, heads, fuel pump etc?
with the stock cast pistons?
@@aaronespinoza1630 stock cam, gt40 heads, explorer intake. Holley EFI, AEM WMI, Aeromotive 340 in tank pump, -8 lines and Aeromotive rails.
@@alertgasper stock bottom end, I think they’re hypereutectic
Turbo is the way to go! My son took his supercharger off of his ‘99 Lightning and put a 76mm turbo on it. I told him he was nuts! Crazy even. I….was wrong! That truck pulled like a freight train all the way thru the traps still making boost and gaining speed. TURBO!!!
BREW2L we can't thank you enough for all the best advice and content , favorite channel hands down. I look forward for more on all your coming projects
Thanks a lot for this video. I've been watching your channel for a while now. I'm on the edge of getting one of these kits for my stock motor 86 GT. I'm glad you do a lot with speed density too - we always here "you gotta convert to mass air."
Thanks for the video, I’ve been trying to make my mind up for 3-4 years on what the hell im actually going to do with my fox when I finish college, the answer looks clear to me now 🙌
I have a 89 coupe with a 347 stroker sportsman block. Did the on3 76mm with pro-m efi coil over plug kit as well. 80lb injectors with mass air blow through. These kits are amazing for the money. You did a good job Brew2l.
Awesome video that car just keeps getting better !
Gotta love running through the gears into the sunset!!!! Great vid!! And oh yeah GO DAWGS!!!!!!! Sic em woof woof woof!!! 😎!
Thanks for the vid brew2l. Im going to my local shop to have mines installed very soon. And this video is very helpful
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Sounds like some great tips on install, excellent point on not needing much to get the one going as far as supporting mods. Supercharger will be cool on the RetroFox
Don't have on3 or terminator x but I do have custom billet ceramic bearing 78/60 with mspnp2. Working the build have a ways to-go. Brew2L excellent content . Keep up the good work!
I'm always amazed when I hear it climb through the full RPM band. The tone of the exhaust doesn't really change and it climbs through the RPM'S so quick.
Because of you I have warmed up to turbos. Specially the on3 kit. I can't believe it's been 2 years
Man time flown by, well such a great topic. For you it think you chose the correct type of boost, especially
with the Holley terminator X system you have now. The Calypso has come a long way in 2 years.
Love this channel .
I am such a tight budget right now that H/C/I is even out of reach. Still enjoying the heck out of my stock 89 LX. She lives!
wow time flies when you get older you have had that turbo for 2 years I started watching when I had idle issues first video was one of the base idle reset helped but ended up being a vacuum leak behind the brake booster had to take it to a shop and I hated it because I pride myself in fixing things myself and not just cars. They had a hard time figuring it out said they were getting ready to give up and found the problem at the last minute.
I actually watched the install videos recently. I am trying to decide whether to go twin turbos. decided I should probably start back at square 1, gut everything, and repaint it.
your vids are a gift that keeps on giving. I'll probably end up watching them all again.
Thank you 🙏
Only downside to a single is that one side of the motor will run hotter than the other
That joker is still amazing! I would definitely do a turbo build, cause turbos attend to give you a little more power over supercharging. It would be cool to see that joker with a 2 step. I want to see that joker shoot flames out the tailpipe. That's me!
ON3 is when I started watching you. What you do for a living was a big question that's kinda died off. Im starting to think you're a car sales manager. The more you say I'm gonna be honest with you, the less I want to believe you, lol. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Love watching the videos my vote leave the retro alone, make another one lol I’m down for whatever but would love to watch another build
i’ve been looking at these for my sn95, been saving for a little
I'm glad I found your page I'm from Alabama myself. I've never really been a ford hater but I am a gm guy side note though I am a dodge hater lol! I decided a few year's ago I would buy a stang and not immediately Ls swap it if I found one I like and is in my budget no fox body's or new edge cars I've always liked how the 05-10 cars looked but haven't had much experience with the 3 valve motors I know more about 2 valves and Windsor stuff, I've had two turbo Ls mustangs the first was a ragged out 87 fox body and a new edge i built for my exwife she thought she wanted to race but lost interest lol that was actually a pretty nice car I did every thing right so I wouldn't be so worried with her driving it. But I have had my 2000 z28 since 2014 its went from stock to bolt ons cam etc to a stock style suspension with lots of bmr and midwest chassis parts turbo small tire car with a nice th400 with a brake and a strange bolt in 12 bolt rear end swap in 2016 it ran 6.10-30's back then with a cam only sbe ls1 witrodshon3 single turbo kit with a 76mm on3 turbo but the on3 kit stayed on the car about 6 months it was constantly cracking it was nothing but problems it would boost creep like crazy we had to add another gate it was a mess lol so in 2017 I ponyed up and bought a Huron speed single t6 kit and it was worth every penny way more efficient made more power with Less boost I had a s480 on it then and it ended up going a 5.89 at 113mph I think I do know it went a best of 5.89 before the ls1 kicked the rods that's when I went to holey efi with and started getting faster and faster learning how to tune and how to go fast with sbe stuff until halfway thru 2019 I finally got the race weight down to 3180 and finally built myself a Ls based 402 and a bigger turbo garret gt5591 and got it down in the 5.40s consistently then swapped it over to methanol and a power glide a badass ptc converter specced by dusty bradford with a gear change and really started throwing the boost to it and ill say this its been faster than a 5.20 130+mph its a n/t car it also definitely lost the street from Street strip car lol. But I've been wanting to put a nice street car together so I bought a family friends 08 sonic blue mustang gt one owner with less than 80,000 miles on its a 9 out of 10 inside and out and that little 3 valve was quicker than I thought it would be even with the automatic I actually enjoy driving the car even though its bone stock now I'm wanting go see how fast a stock 3v can go at 3400 pounds and still be A street car I've heard that most of the mustang kits from on3 work like ther supposed to maybe the f body kit was just defective or something lol. But my tuner has a complete kit minus the turbo and waste gate. But I got a billet wheel t6 s475 with a 1.15 A.R and 60mm vs racing 60mm gate I'm gonna pick it up next week and start gathering up parts some injectors a regulator and good fuel pump that will feed it all the corn it can handle im gonna throw some cams in it but decided that shit cost way more than I want to spend lol so its just gettin some PAC valve springs in it I'm not gonna rev kit past. 6500rpm. But im sorry its definitely getting a Ls setup with a large turbo and th400 lol when the 3 valve dies but it will stay a clean comfortable street car that's the whole reason I bought it i just miss having a quick street car
Brother you do you! Sounds like you know exactly what you want👌 no hate here. Power is power 🔥
I have a hellion turbo kit with a old 76mil Turbonetics turbo that has the gold back plate still going and yes I totally agree with you I was running a quarter horse on my 95 Mustang then I decided to get the Terminator X with a set off 1050x injector dynamic and what a difference.
I have the Holley Terminator X going in and the on3 kit also over the next few weeks!
Now that was a bad ass video. My turbo car comes back from the Dino tomorrow I think. Now I really can’t wait
Thanks! Good luck brother!! 🤞
Dang,I can't believe it's been 2 years! Time flies when you're having fun. It's held up outstanding for the bang for the buck vs horse power gains. It's all the supporting mods that eat up the funds,lol. And I'm highly impressed with the Holly terminator x computer system. I think I'm going to purchase the Holly system x in stay naturally aspirated for the time being. I think the car will run like it's supposed to with an upgraded not outdated computer system!👈💯🔥
the calypso has definitely come a long way!
I’m running the on3 kit with the terminator x also I absolutely love it . There’s nothing like boost lol
That car sounds so damn good!!
I am goin with a CSU blowthru carb with a novi 2000 built. I have had turbo, nos, n just super charger. My last 347 was just a na motor. But I'm goin to be building a 408 this time with a blow thru carb. Im not sure if I am goin to go with E85 right now cause where I live is no gas stations with E85 n your right 2 exact motors isnt gonna run the same. I love turbo cause it's free hp in like the super charger, but every one I kn is running either EFI n turbo or Carb with turbo. Nice video thanks.
ON3Performance really changed the game about 10-12 years ago when they came out. Vendors hated them because there prices were so cheap. You can get a full turbo kit under 3k. Keep in mind back then every ones turbo kits were complete were $5,000-6,000 for a complete kit and sometimes even more with Hellion.
Vendors were bashing ON3 , a lot of forums didn't even like them talking about ON3 because they were taking over the turbo kit market and these other vendors would be sponsored on their forums. The truth is these kits made it so that not only the people with a ton of money could boost there cars. There are some horror stories with the ON3 set up but that was years and years ago and every company has that issue from time to time. They changed the game and made everyone's cost come way down. No one can compete with a company that offers a full kit for half the cost of there's.
About 10 years ago when me and my friends put one on his , it was 100% stock with a catback exhaust and made 372hp and 432tq on a mustang dyno on #9 psi. Car was a ton of fun, later on we added a hci to it and tuned it ourself with a Pimp ECU. (we had zero tuning experience) and really should have brought it to a tuner but the car still went 11.6 in the 1/4 with a 10.0 AFR (10.0 is as low as the gauge would read) so who knows how rich it really was haha.
Awesome vid. I’m looking at 0n3 kit for my 5.4 4v Fairmont.
You should check out Torqstorm superchargers for the retro fox. I got one for the 351w I'm building to put in my 86 fox body.
I'm loving my ProCharged 93 SVT Cobra mustang
The Calypso Sounds Good On That Boost!!!
Very helpful man lots of good info I'm going with an almost identical setup on my 94 cobra with a fresh stock shortblock but the top end is close to yours. I'm running the terminator x, my question is why was the speed density easier to tune?
Appreciate your option on on3 turbos I'm on the fence on deciding a set of twins🤔
You’re going to get a bunch of you this video 50k plus. Opinion on this was right on time
I'm loving my ON3.
Been a while since I been by, the People's Fox has turned into a Beast.
I agree, something about a Fox with a Supercharger that seems so right.
But $ wise, Turbo seems to be the answer.
Turbo has a higher ceiling on power and doesn’t have the parasitic power loss associated with a supercharger as well.
I had to send my passenger side off to a head shop. To have the header recut and flange flattened. I kept going threw gasket like crazy.
Hell Yeah!!!
2 years and only 450 miles of course it's going to last with 450 miles on it.
Ya I want a review of on3 kit with 20,000 miles on it
@@user-pf6wl4hv5jI’m sure he beats on it all of the miles it sees
Glad to hear it is holding up well! How many miles do you think are on it?
Looks like it’s running pretty hard!
Thanks allot! I found your first video searching on3 then went looking hoping to find a follow up.
What’s your opinion on the included blowoff valve and waste gate? Do you know anything about the 67mm turbo they offer as an upgrade?
I’m thinking about this for my stock 302 with a terminator x and coil on plug.
I switched from ms2 to terminator x car idles like it’s factory with a decent size cam this winter I’m gonna install the turbo kit on it hopefully I can get 9s but will settle for a 10sec pass
Nice clean install. Doesn't seem as cramped as other cars eg f-bodys.
I know a guy who owns a mustang shop back home (Dayton 5.0 performance) the owner Mike Reyes all he does is Speed density on 90% of his builds of foxes
a .060 over block is very stiff--most low deck Windsors won't go more than .040 over, and usually they are the ones ready to crack at 500+bhp as a result. Also, at $3,000 (then I assume you have to pay a tuner to get fuel and ignition systems not to fry a piston), that's stroker territory. which may allow you to use 91-93 octane pump gas, but you'll still want heads, intake and cam to feed it, and that's going to add to the bill (assuming you're comparing a turbo setup to a stock E7 package or an Explorer GT40P that got forged pistons swapped in). But if you can find the fuel to feed it, the turbo can be easily cranked up in boost while the stroker setup will need more cam and head, which can cause streetability issues.
I wanted power adder but as a daily driver like my car will be I decided to stay N/A 331 for now
i used all the piping hot side and cold and used precision and tial components
I’d like to see you run it down the track I guesstimate a low 12. If you had slicks maybe high 11’s. That would be a sweet video run it on street tire then slicks.. I believe you would upset some coyotes for sure... you think you could beat 50tussin in the 1/8 him driving his fairmont haha it’s a ripper in the 1/8th.
Boost For the Win 🏎💨
Comedic makes a MLS header gasket for the Foxbody 302 and 351w. These should be blow proof.
Great tips thanks, why speed density and do you turbo lag ?
I've got megasquirt and I am having idle issues all the time! Even with the auto tune! Stock ECU car idles mint,with the megasquirt its hard!
That's why he got away from said company,he couldnt get support to fix issues...
Love the channel and the car. My sn95 has a fried second gear so it’s just sitting there. Fucking 1600 bucks I don’t wanna drop. Have you had any problems w it running hot?
Lol that was great, pick up the phone!☎️
Which one is easier and takes less time to install? Supercharger or turbocharger kit
Superchargers are way way harder on an engine. The amount of added stress and abuse to the snout of the crank pulley just to spin the blower hard enough to make the boost you want tends to snap cranks.
Plus, blowers cost a bunch of power to make it on the bigger end. I’ve heard huge Centri blowers to make 30+ pounds would require 3-500 horse to spin it that damn hard.
Turbos being exhaust driven is like free power after the purchase. Doesn’t Robb power to make power.
Nitrous is definitely cheap to initially get into, but it’s the gift that never ever quits costing. Bottles ALWAYS go empty. And in Canada, they Hella pricey to fill.
Just my $.02….
I agree with your points on the supercharger, and will add one more. the stock 302 firing order fires both front cylinders at once, and that will cause stress at the front of the engine block. now if you're running a supercharger and you tighten down that belt...you've added more stress on the front of the crankshaft, and we know Ford changed the weight of the flywheel due to modifications to the reciprocating assembly in the 1980's.
"but wait" you say, "the 5.0 HO doesn't use the 302 ignition timing, it uses the 351W firing order". True, but if you buy a cheap cam to put into your 302 and it has a 1960's era grind to it, what firing order is it using? if it's the old 302...now you see why the old guys who hotrodded Foxes in the 1980's and got double digit boost off a paxton hairdryer might have run into block issues....
Would love to see the red fox with a supercharger👍🏻
Hey brew, and everyone on here. So my 90lx got flooded with the heavy rain we had a few weeks back. Motor was half submerged, no water In intake piping. Ecu is done. Wires are now all dried up and I changed the oil. Distributor looks fine and dry. Getting a new a9l soon. BUT the car was PARKED. Was not driven thru the water or on. Just flooded while it was parked. Any suggestions to inspect? You think the motor is all good?
On3 looks like the way to go!
You need one 😎👌
@@BREW2LFOXBODY I really do!
I really wanted the ON3 kit but they said it would take up to a year to get it. Mines a 95 5.0 I'm guessing thats why it was going to take so long. I went ahead and got a vortech v3 because it was only going to be a 3 month wait. I'm really happy with it and I'm running 10lbs of boost on a stock bottom end
Why did they say that?
Bro how has it been going i have a sn95 i was going to get nitrous but I’m looking for something more safer on my care . I have stock block as well . Did you run into any issues ?
You could have tunes it just fine with the Megasquirt, it just takes time to learn the system. Great freedback on the On3. Stock engine you REALLY need to re-gap rings.
Yes but like he said, the TermX system is far superior
Do you think HCI+fuel system are enough supporting mods for an On3 with a low boost tune (5-6psi)? Should the rings be re gapped even on a safe tune?
@@ryleyfernandes_1565it's a good idea for safety, but if your engine has high miles on it, its already expanded the ring gap for you. of course, no one knows for sure "how much is enough" until they pull the engine apart...but it's how some folks who "bolted on and gone" got away with it.
in the end, a job is only "cheap" if you do it once.
how much money you think it would be for the turbo kit and everything else needed to get a carbureted engine running!? Total cost to have on3 boost!?
Question if the money is not an issue would you do a pro charger or stick with turbo
I’m going turbo on the next car
how responsive is the turbo, I’m thinking about buying this for my 78 ford f150 I’m 302 swapping I tow with it every once and awhile and want the extra power
What Intake are you running? I have an Explorer intake and it just feels like it need more air. Car has stock block, AFR heads, 60lb injectors.
Can we get a rerace between you and Cody with the 11' Coyote Car?
Well, you talked me into it 😅
When do you start to feel the boost with the 70mm im looking for a turbi but don't want something that takes a long time to spool
What transmission do you run behind it? I have a stock T5 with a heavy duty clutch and aftermarket quadrant.
Old school Kenny bell blower?
Hey what header package did u go with? Looks like stainless steel? And did u wrap them?
Been waiting since March for my terminator x! I’m about to give up!
Damn….. 👀
Yup same here and just do the ProM kit that will only take 3 weeks
@@williamlane6374 well I had a shop order it for me. Was trying to help them out and support. I’ll give it until December and see what happens. Last I heard on a forum they had over 800 back orders. I chose the terminator x because of the new harness and self tuning capabilities.
@@BREW2LFOXBODY you have any inside info that you may know of? Pretty frustrating love the car.
This kit still running good? Any problems yet ?I want to throw this kit on my 95 but everyone is telling me negative things about it. The price is way better then buying a new vortech set up
Do u think the 351w kit would work with a 408w and is the 80 the 1700cc injectors
How did you route the ac in one video it went over turbo and this video goes under did you have to extend it
switch that turbo out for a precision 6870 with a 1.45 a/r It will spool faster and produce more power with less boost.
This car deserves some hood struts
Should i get this with stock block / 347 stroker 94 mustang ? Is it safe to run 10 psi
I’m not a fan of turbo cars too much trouble..I salute you
I hope I can get a response out of you so I can figure out a way to send you a picture of how my setup is ran it's a little different basically the same setup I would take the turbo on3 kit the charger because more power faster but there are some questions I have
Did you buy the bare bones on 3 kit? I noticed they have a lot of add-on options
Any idea on how many miles you’ve put on in these 2 years??
Hey folks did you change pistons etc? Forged bottom end? I've just rebuilt my 302 and never really thought of boost.
I don’t change the pistons unless I’m rebuilding the engine. I use whatever came in the engine.
@@BREW2LFOXBODY yeah nice bud I went back to bare block 306 now fresh pistons,build gt40p heads, balanced etc. I did go back to carby though so but different
Were you able to keep the cruise control with the terminator X?
How do you I tune for on3 with a stock computer. Any tricks or just send it?
would you recommend doing head studs while everything is apart?
Yes
Did you use the on3 80lb injectors with the terminator?
What kind of horsepower numbers should you look at if you go the supercharger route?
350-400 ish depends on how much boost you throw at it.
@@BREW2LFOXBODY gonna be pulling the trigger in the next few months on a fox and id like to add some pep to it without doing a hole coyote swap. Plus i love the sound of the 5.0 roller motors. Thanks for the help, and keep kicking azz with your channel man 👍🏼
What static compression ratio works, do you have a problem with knock?
I’m actually not 100% on compression with the new engine probably around 9:1 with no knock
I like the sound of true dual exhaust so super charger or nitrous for me I know you can run twin turbos but I still prefer the sound of super charger or nitrous better really to be honest I like the sound of a nasty na car with big cam and high revving better than anything just aren't very street able
Bro, the grass is always greener on the other side. I think that's why I hear you talking about superchargers recently.
I have a Vortech and I'm thinking about an On3 for one of my other cars 😁
A centrifugal can't match the low end Tq and ease of HP that a turbo can give you. It's a matter of dialing up the boost. I'm on my 2nd pulley, thinking about my 3rd one trying to dial in my desired hp numbers.
I know it….. lol
@@BREW2LFOXBODY you drove Papa T's car and got that belt driven itch. I could see it in your reaction when you did those couple videos on his car. They're very fun on the street because the power is so linear.
@@BREW2LFOXBODY hey side note on your throttle body. You mention how Papa Ts car is alive, and super responsive to throttle inputs, and your new 90mm feels heavy in the throttle. Hate to say it, but it's probably because the 90mm throttle body isn't setup right. Don't know what the fix would be, but that's where I'm putting my money. Possibly the spring tension? Try oiling it?
I had a 75mm professional products throttle body that actually had the perfect response. The car felt so quick and alive. After the tubular GT40 it whistled like crazy, so I changed to an Accufab.
If your Calypso still feels slow to respond or heavy pedalled, I'd look into the throttle body as an issue.
Huh? A centrifugal is ALWAYS going to make lower and quicker torque than a turbo. ALWAYS.