Stock Block 302 Dyno….. yes stock block 5.0 Ford engine. Not a Coyote
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- Stock Block 302…. How much horsepower can be made? How fast can it go? Joey, currently holds the fastest nitrous pass that we know of, 5.11 at 133mph. Now he wants to try to get the boosted record! This is all new combination, making the first dyno pulls! Let’s see how it goes.
If you need dyno time in the Raleigh area, hit Josh Kinzey up at UnderGround garage.
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12 years ago a put down 631 through a t5 on a mustang dyno. Car was a stock 302 88 foxbody with performer heads and a t trim
Current foxbody has a ysi and dart 347 with afr 220 heads. Bob kurgan tuned it. Put down 900 through the aod we built. Car has ran 8.82 at 158
Full weight 88 gt with AC and all power options interior
That's got to be some what true the numbers seem to add up to me.
I’d love to know what that T5 had , my procharged 347 EATS t5s , and it’s only making 470hp (wheel)and 420(wheel) tq
@Dairiel_Vlogs haha it was bone stock. The trick with a t5 is use a dual friction clutch and nothing more aggressive
Stock block 302’s will live longer with over 500whp with a turbo set up! Unlike a supercharger set up. Supercharger set ups pull on the crank causing vibrations all day long making easier for the blocks to crack…seen and read about a couple turbo set ups living at 700whp reliably on stock block 302’s
I'm a chevy man but I LOVE foxbodies
I'm loving mine, I fully built my stock no. Matching block into a 331 stroker in my 88 mustang, quick as he'll, you can't stay into the throttle or you'll wreck it's that simple
Nice little small block Ford!🤩🤩💪💪
Finally! About time Joey came back out with the new setup! Didn’t know he was changing the car color. I like the green
The green looks amazing got to love the 302 old school engine
Impressive for stock block. I'm building a 347 with a stock block right now. I was thinking about keeping it around 12 psi.
Hey I also have a 347 on a stock block was looking into boosting how much were u able to put
So glad to see Joey still kicking ass!!! I absolutely love these videos with him and his SBE 302s! Thank you John!
Badass! I ran a stock block well north of 500 wheel for many years on a stock block with girdle, pony down turbo setup. Never blew. Car has a dart block now. There’s not much to those two bolt blocks, but can hold some power.
Nice combo..have a TTrim on my stock block with a stud girdle, track heat heads, stock rods, pistons, and cam making almost 500 to the wheels on 10lbs of boost. 10lbs with 4" discharge into 70 to 90mm accufab race throttlebody on pump gas. One day ill convert to e85 or race gas and see what it will do, but its been a 13yr reliable combo, so don't want to kill it, but will probably sell it, and start new with a notch and dart block, etc...
Awesome setup getting it done for whats there
I thought Tony and Tess set a stock block/ bottom end record of some sort recently.
I think you're right I think they went 4.77 or something like that
Nice car. Time will tell how fast and how reliable. Good luck guys.
The heads make me laugh. , surprised there isn't a set of tfs on there.
Great video! 🔥 Love seeing what these filled stock blocks can do. My old 355 “010” block cracked naturally aspirated 🤷
I personally have built a couple handfulls of late model 302s that are still living on 1k turbo and supercharged its alot of work poor the block halfway and cut the mains for a 4 bolt main even though the cap webbing in block dont have much its the caps bouncing that kills them i have never seen a 302 that is cracked without very bad galling under 234 mains wit 2 bolt i have taken apelart multiple builds for refresh on my 4 bolt conversions with no evidence of caps bouncing all it takes is a real tight tune
Ford designed the low deck Windsor to be light enough for a Falcon and began at 221 cid (the tall deck had more beef). which is why many 289/302's don't want to bore over more than .040 inches. but some "casting mistake" blocks will go .060 over. also, the original firing order set the front cylinders off at the same time, so if you use an older grind of camshaft, plus the different crankshaft weight found in the fuel injected Fox 302's, and then crank down a blower belt on that front crank snout...
Sounded phenomenal
Ah alcohol, brings tears to the eyes
Just remembered there was a 302 turbo car that went 8.00s back in the 90s
Sick car brother. I like it a lot.
Very nice!! 8.2 deck 4 life!! 😁
I’ve been watching a good while now and one thing I know is that you know how to work the bug out and get those turbos to do what they need to do. I meant to stop and talk to you in Darlington the other weekend but it was just too much going on
Goals brother!!
Oh, the block is filled with magic mud 🤔
I have been making 570hp at the flywheel with my stock block 302 for 3 years. It is not filled but I also had it internally balanced when it was built and I dont rev it past 6700. They survive if you aren't a dumbass trying to spin the 50oz weight 7500rpm
Not to be bashing the Ford platform, but I had a 02 Camaro w/a 403" LS2, and it was making 567hp at the tires, more than my dad's solid roller BBC! Just a mild, hydraulic roller nitrous camshaft, decent heads... nothing special, no fill, aluminum block that's 100lbs lighter than its twin iron block! My new turbo setup, which is a iron 408, Dart Pro1 225's, best valve trane you can get, with a FIS 91/102 turbo. Should make some steam for a streetcar with a/c still! I was steered away from doing a half fill, so I could get more strength, but still run water through the block... 570 is nothing to be ashamed of though, what's the car run..? My 02 went 10.30's on motor, 8.50's on a non-progressed 200 shot! It still made flatline power at 7500rpm, which is where we stopped w/stock lifters! I'm sure your car is about 7-800lbs lighter too!lol
@@joshwynn1836😂😂😂 you GM guys 😂😂😂 How about y'all just meet up and race...
Pro 5.0 😎
GET IN THAT CAR AND SHOW HIM HOW TO MAKE A PULL JOHN ...
im messing with a sbf also, i have watch those videos of joey with the nitrous combo i few times.... taking notes.
Aint SBE when its full of concrete.
LS guys do it all day long!
IT'S JUST THE RIGHT THING TO DO
Dont know who recommended that turbo or if he already had it, but that is way to large for his combination.
Especially the hot side..
Awesome car man!!! 💪 I love watching Joey's cars at uglykidracing. Hauling ass with 302s .
Love this..but why no tfs heads or afrs.!?
That turbo seems way overkill for that combo
Glory numbers for marketing purposes.
Man that's a lot of boost on a really nice and big turbo for just 7xx hp. I made that on a 5.3 with a 80mm VS turbo at 22psi.
Boost is just a measure of restriction, that turbo is barely into its efficiency zone if I had to guess and the motor just cant move the air. The pulls are also shortened, which I'm sure with more RPM it would pick up power.
lmao apples and oranges comparing a sbf 302 to a LS 5.3, pull that 5.3 and put in a 305 sbc and see if you'd like what that 305 does with 22psi and a VS 80. 🤣
@@StrongForceRacing it wouldn't make more power with more rpm if the motor can't flow the air already
@edmundnlemadim8480 ya I hear ya, why do people put good money into these old low flow motors?
@@FredAllenBurgeFun? There's nothing low flow about them if you really throw money at it. Cubic $$$ >>>> Cubic Inches.
Wrong. You can run 800 plus hp on an old school block. Harmonics are the issue with the blocks splitting. Balance and the right girdle will solve that issue. David Vizard has proven this myth wrong numerous times. So quit being apart of the lies and spreading false information.
How much concrete in the block tho?
I presume the block has been filled for strengthening?
Glad he is still “disproving” that false internet 500hp your block will split myth……John i think you need a fresh air pipe coming from outside, you are breathing the same thing that engine is taking in too lol
It's not a 80s or 90s block
First, a single engine won't disprove that one is gambling beyond 500rwhp & over 6.5k RPM. Second, this is an early block with thicker webbing than the HO blocks that earned their reputation.
@@chrisarnold769 1st off He can make it happen with a 89 or even 99 302 block. The 79 block is what he had laying around in the shop, as are all the parts on this build. I have 13 302HO roller blocks on hand and will personally deliver one too Joe if & when hes ready too show all you Internet racers how its done.
@@chrisarnold769 I turn my Stock stroke 302HO engines 7800rpm no problem, it's the 50oz Crankshaft that breaks, not the "so called weak roller blocks". Even with a hi dollar race balancer & good flex plate it is just too much weight slinging around, I can speak from experience
@@stockblock302OG What is it that you take issue with, exactly?
Broke my stock block at 365 hp with a straight drive.
those intake welds are a little rough lol but otherwise badass
This turbo is almost as big as the engine.
I got a 89 notch with stock block pro charged 347 and tko 500 makin 870 at the tire
25 psi of boost is as you know 2.72 MAP.
715 whp / 2.72 MAP = 263 whp from the theoretical NA engine.
This is so low I suspect something must be wrong somewhere as the Edelbrock Performer RPM kit is advertised as 367 hp. :)
Yeah that looks like a big turbo and a lot of boost for how little power it made. Also the guy lifted every pull as soon as the power came in
The motor was built for boost not a n/a motor... the cam in the motor makes it lose power n/a
Crank HP vs rwhp.....
What up bro
Is that a coil conversion? I didn’t notice the distributor?
Yes, it runs a coil near plug set up. Similar to an LS. The Holley EFI controls the coils.
Well dang I rev my diesel fork truck higher than that!...
Thank god it’s not a 🐺
If stout stock parts is important to you don't overlook the 351/400m engines.
I think big chief runs the same heads on the crow
Except it's a Pontiac
Only thing that is the same is the name Edelbrock.
Needs to lower the rear
You do any actual dyno pulls? Or just let it come onto boost and lift as soon as the gate opens over and over again?
That is the pull... lol. It's fast
@@travisy7861 true, the 1500rwhp cars I tune that take 6 seconds to do a proper pull must be slow…
Did yall run the DSS main stud girdle or a different brand stud girdle?
Well me being FORD TO THE CORE stock block is two bolt mains so he's a TRULY STOCK BLOCK 302 lol the SVO blocks are also considered stock block and the center 3 main caps are four bolt mains and they'll hold a bit more. Beautiful car. But your venturing in to dangerous territory, you'll split that block fellas lol trust m busted a few 8.2 and 9.5 stock blocks lol
Yeah, nobody calls an SVO block a “stock block”. Maybe the same people that refer to Explorer intakes as “GT40” intakes.
@carportshenanigans5918 an explorer intake takes the same gaskets as the cobra and gt40 so it essentially is a gt40 that looks different on the outside.
Chambers size is the difference on the gt40 vs gt40p and also the spark plug placement
@@midnight347they do not flow the same. Better than a stock 5.0 intake sure, but it is still not on the same as the others. Many of the GT40 lower style intakes used the same gasket but that is where the similarities ended. Which works best still comes down to combination, something most never got right even back in the late 90s early 2000s. For instance, GT40 lower and a box upper intake and everything else stock or the biggest mistakes many made, seeing guys through on a 75mm TB with no other engine modifications and couldn’t figure out why the car went slower.
Seems that some of the internet foxbody "experts" commenting on the 1979-1993 5.0 blocks require a history lesson. There was no 302/5.0 option in 1980 or 1981. A 2 barrel 255v8 was the only v8 option. Go look it up
Correct 79 had a 302 option than came the sad 255..
Who said there was? I guess I missed all of these comments.
What fuel if this on? Idk if they mentioned it or not
methanol
Factory stock block alot of people say stock block if it's bored it's not stock it's a factory ford block
Boring it isn't gonna make it hold power better if anything it'll hold less power theorically.
U only bore a block to c to clean up the cylinders anyway a 347 is not a stock block maybe a factory block
@@jerryburks2755lol it’s still a stock block, if anything a weaker stock block, due to the notches to clear the crank and rods. All the fucking nitpicking is ridiculous.
Do you do any remote tuning, and are you familiar with Link Ecu ?
I’ve never heard of that
Yall are stopping the runs before the converter couples
😂😂😂 I figured
How is he not breaking the block
By being conservative on the tune. And the early blocks have more meat in the main cap area of the block. Plus the Boss 302 crank.
The current stock block, stock bottom end record holder told me that the main thing is keep them from detonating, they'll live well past 500hp.
I’m excited to see what it runs, I currently have the stock shortblock record with the graymare 5.42@126
And there is little things to make them live
@@avboysgrandpahollywood Yeah Tony, you're the one who told me that, lol
That is an old wives tale. Yes they may be a little fragile but that tale is b/s. Unless you detonate the thing the whole way with lousy oil pressure. Where an engine will fail and often well before.
UKR
no radiator?
It’s the advantage of running Alcohol, no radiator or intercooler required.
Methanol fuel drag cars doesnt require radiators.the fuel itself keep the engine cool
@@ronseth1225 dirt cars like modified, late model, etc doesn’t require a radiator either. As I said the advantage of running A/M as a fuel. Just better have a big fuel pump/ fuel system if you make a lot of power especially in a drag racing application. Not that you don’t know this, but I figured since you added to what I did, I’d add a little more lol.
I got a dark block. You it will hold 20 pounds of booss
Id love to have a clean lil notch like that! Good lookin car, but id put my LS setup in it, if he's interested in putting his setup in a 4th gen Camaro..? I'm down to do some trading!lol
It’s a Ford thing 😂
A stock bottom end doesn’t come stock with a killer chop sorry
Stock bottom end means stock block and stuff some people say short block which is pistons rods block crank etc. Being cammed has nothing to do with it being or not being a stock bottom end.
Lets clarify, a 302 is not something that came in fox bodys. Its the 5.0 ho rollor blocks that are weak, and the old 302 blocks are quite strong, mexican 302 blocks are even stronger. And inb4 the (but a 5.0 ho is a 302) yes.. in Displacement only the blocks are different.
302s did come in a fox platform in 78 with Faremonts and in 79 mustangs. Which became a HO or 5.0 302 (351w firing order) in the mid 80s.
The 302 was available in EVERY year of the Fox Body Mustang from 79-93. They were 2bbl carb engines until 83 which was the first year for a Holley 4bbl, but they always had 302's.
Never would think joe would be a turbo man
The heads, crank, rods and pistons interchange they aren't that different
No different than calling mid 80s sbc with roller lifters and one piece rear main a 5.7 rather a 350 same same 💩 different pile 😂
Is it Cemented?
Man if he had a Mexican block probably make more. Forgot what the Mexican blocks were in. They had alittle bit different material In them. I think higher iron content don’t remember
Hmmmmm
Need to check mine!!!
@@jasonhastings5538 back in the 90’s the only really blocks used were Mexican blocks or A4 blocks. The boss blocks with the 4 bolt main caps were too expensive same as the other ago blocks.
@@jbuckshot01 i have afew 302ho engines!! I need to look into this!!
@@jasonhastings5538 I don’t remember what the casting number is for the Mexican block. Of course nowadays there is a list of nice blocks and I heard tue Mexican and A4’s can’t be worth a good amount to the older guys out there
The Roller block is one that's known for splitting older ones are OK mexican 302 mostly came in trucks production 69 to 75 most more common in 71 to 74 I think... ours came out of a 72 f100 ranger
lol electric help
This is deceiving. Thats not a block from a 80s or 90s mustang
So? 80s and 90s mustangs weren't the only vehicles that got 302s lol. It's still a stock block.
@@midnight347right 302 are 302 doesn’t matter which year
😂😂😂😂😂 sure spin up the drum so it will be easier to make "horsepower" that's the hole point of trying to measure horsepower is work over time so you can bullshit all you want but those are not accurate readings
😂😂😂 LMAO at the bench racers in here 😂😂😂 but but but it only makes 5xx horsepower 😂😂😂 WAAAAY to ignorant to understand all of the variables going on right here 😂😂😂
They said it traps alot of mph it's likely making way more
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Somethings wrong. I know its a stock block and all but with 26ibs of boost it only makeing 5 something. Smh sheesh got a long way ti go
Last one was 615 i think, RPM heads do not flow all that good (if stock ports) so at the wheels its not that bad but it will make more loaded longer like on the track
Last one was 715hp, and they will make 800hp once they clean it up more, or very close to it.
@@JR-Rollin should be 1000hp no problem smh
Dyno numbers don't matter. It made over 700 rwhp later in video. It traps alot of mph and likely makes alot more power this is why dyno numbers don't matter.
@Jojo-ix8tg dyno numbers don't matter and how should it be 1000 easy? Because coyotes do that with modern tech and dohc and alot more rpm? It traps at the track as if it makes far more that is what matters not dyno numbers.