I have said it before and I will say it again. There is only one true 'God' on Earth. And that God is Money. Money can buy you out of any crime. Money can buy you anything you might need or want. Even the mainstream religions bow down to money.
Yes. If those who started gamergate had the same understanding as Zaric, they woud've realized social media wouldn't move the likes of IGN and others. I'm thinking the best choice would be establishing + funding an independent, ethically driven journal that would have enough money to hire full time writers, reviewers, editors, etc.
It's not what I would pick. 😛 It implies "Our paper is a scandal!" or gatekeeping, neither of which is good for the outlet. GamerGate came from Watergate, named after the Watergate complex. What is next to the Watergate complex? Georgetown! Therefore, the outlet shall be called Gametown! 😂
There was an editorial in Electronic Gaming Monthly from 2006. Dan Hsu, the editor in chief, called out games journalism as a whole for bowing down to publishers who threatened to pull ads from their magazines in retaliation for less than perfect reviews. It was already a problem back then, and it's only gone downhill as print dies and revenue for journalism goes down. As you said, it's folly to believe a Twitter hashtag would do anything to reverse that trend.
Perhaps benefit of such twitter # is promoting public awareness of the problem, so that average consumer would be aware of present bias and not falsely assume media in question were honest operators. Just because you or Zhakaron might have been aware of the problem for all that tame it should not be assumed average consumer was, so anything that increases familiarity with the problem by said poorly informed consumer would be net benefit.
ZoneofA That would have never work with the #. It to easy for someone to twist the message around and make the people doing the # into the bad guys. Normal people won't dig into the BS to find the truth. Gamergate was never going to work
I never considered Gaming Journalism anything more than glorified advertising. The thing that surprised me about Gamergate is that there were enough people taking it seriously to warrant a movement against it. If you remove the "corruption" form gaming journalism you will have almost nothing left.
There is a problem with your thinking, people go to those publications (any product publication like cars, computers etc.) for good information. If they do not get it, they will stop buying it, then who is going to buy your mag or patronise your web site? GamerGate was successful, after forcing the loss of millions of dollars in revenue and some jobs, the publishers made concessions and implemented reforms. Above all, they now understand who is paying the bills, the customer.
Marty Robinson It didn't work, it just causes damage to both sides. More of the mainstream will remember Gamergate as cyberbullies and the change is just damage control, the companies are still doing the same shit but act like they care. Also, cars, computers, and etc have the same problems as the video game does (the cars dealer are more mess up)
Little late here but I just found your channel and wanted to say you deserve way more views. I was a big fan of TB, respected him a lot, and one of the first things I thought watching your vids was it reminded me of the kinds of subjects he used to tackle. Glad we still have people like you to carry on his legacy and what he stood for. RIP TotalBiscuit
Oh well I guess I better be more cautious with gaming journalism I mean gamers know them and see them as a joke but and the end of the day you're right I'm looking at these in my own perspective and not in anothers one.
I don't think that the core message of #GamerGate was "drowned out" by any organic process or the majority of the people using the hashtag. It was "drowned out" by dishonest journalists writing hitpiece articles and blatantly lying to label the movement a "hate group." Kind of like the case of the journalist who got caught posting a racist post on Reddit, then turning around and writing a story about the very post he himself wrote.
The hashtag may not be used very much anymore, but it still served two purposes in the end: One was making the worst of the journo offenders, the outspoken libelous types who write for Polygon/Mary Sue/Kotaku/etc., were listed within the GamesJournoPros mailing list, or who have been caught making backroom deals and lying about products they cover, I.E. Nathan Grayson and Ben Kutchera among others, or people in general as we saw with TB when he died, watch their backs because more of us were catching on to what they were doing and were becoming more willing to speak out and expose them. (Hell, Razorfist was covering bad/corrupt journalists and websites long before GamerGate emerged.) Second was it helped spark a movement to get alternatives, both in terms of personas and websites, to these major sites up and running and supported. NicheGamer, ChristCenteredGaming, OneAngryGamer, OpRainfall, DeepFreeze and RedValueGaming come to mind for me with the latter, DeepFreeze especially since it catalogs the known offenses game journos and websites have made before and after GamerGate started. That said, I don't think GamerGate went far enough with removing certain names from the industry pool. The GamesJournoPros list was proof enough there was a lot of lying being agreed upon behind closed doors and between websites. Remember the "Gamers don't have to be your audience. Gamers are dead" article surge back in 2014? I do. Not long after that was when William Usher, the guy who runs OneAngryGamer, exposed the GJP list and showed how overbearing and yet influential some like Kutchera were being with pushing lies behind the scenes and between websites. One such example being Ben was pressuring The Escapist to shut down GamerGate discussion, I.E. promoting censorship. Guess what Polygon and these other major sites who know they're being watched like to do now? Censor discussions and pull out GamerGate as a boogyman because they won't, much less can't, accept their lies being challenged. That's how you know GamerGate had an impact.
POSTAL 2 is a very offensive game that has around 5.5 ratings in most of the game review websites (including IGN), despite having overwhelmingly positive reviews from its players. This game is the perfect example of what "game journalism" does to small companies and their games that don't align to their "moral standards". Also, this game was created in 2003 before the whole SJW bullshit and it's still a cult classic, people still haven't changed their minds about it. The whole "game journalism" industry is a big pile of bullshit, when you need reviews get them from the actual players (and even then with a grain of salt), or watch a gameplay video and make up your own mind. Also, fuck IGN
A cult classic, is kind of appropriate, because it has a zealous following for dumb reasons. Postal 2 is a sadism similator and doesn't have anything really worthy of praise, the sandbox elements are extremely limited, compared to the likes of GTa, it has no narrative elements, is basically just running round in circles killing dumb a.i. It's not deserving of praise, especially not in comparison to games the like Witcher 3 and praising it just because it's offensive is pretentious. It only exists to satisfy a narcissistic side of the generation, that are obsessed with offensive material. But something being offensive for the sake of it, with no real context, is just trying too hard imo.
Sword DCUO WOW! I bet your one of those people who won’t touch a game that doesn’t meet your “expert” standards for “fun” gameplay. Or maybe it was just too offensive for you. Did you even beat the game? Don’t criticize other people for loving a great game that has brilliant satirical commentary, and unique game mechanics you can’t find in any other game ever. So don’t spread your bullshit lies about Postal 2! Nobody listen to this tasteless normie.
@@Top-Lip This is a very shit armchair psychologist take. Consider the time that Postal 2 came out and how different it was to everything else, what it said about the cultural climate in America at the time. It's really easy to look back on a janky early 2000s game and make dumb claims like it being a sadist simulator if you weren't actually alive at the time to play it.
You're so right. I think that's why many of us long for the early days. Gaming was loved and shared by gamers, it was special when a new game came out. Now all you see is shooters with different skins..
Zaric - your long form discussion content about the industry as a whole in a macro sense AND very specific cases within say TES communities in a micro sense is why I sub to you. Your honesty and ability to get through the bullshit is your strongest attribute! Haven't finished watching the video, I just got excited that I had another opportunity to hear this kind of content from you. Thanks
Games Journalism goes beyond reviews. At the moment it seems like Game Journo sites tend to "report" a lot about the going-on in the games industry. And this is where bias can do more harm. Any review can be dismissed as unreliable or opinionated, but "objective" articles that report on events, like the current ArenaNet controversy, are easier to take at face value. And for people who don't have the time or interest to research everything for themselves, they'll just trust that the self-appointed experts of the gaming sphere are giving an accurate picture. Solving this is tough because it's basically the same problem that any online publication can fall victim to. Defamatory and incorrect articles pop up from time to time, and for people who aren't well versed in the topic beforehand, they might seem as reliable as any other article on that website. See: Fader's ridiculous article about Anthony Fantano. Yellow Journalism, of course, is as old as journalism itself. And it's still something that society struggles with. It seems like now, the internet has made things even worse, at least in the short term.
The gaming "press" tends to be very detached from the actual gaming populace. This strain came to a head with the infamous "Gamers are Dead" articles, when they basically denounced gamers as a whole. In response, Gamergate really took off. Before then, it had basically just been another Gamespot/Gerstmann style controversy. More than ethics or social justice, that's what Gamergate was really about. Gamers feeling disillusioned and wronged by the enthusiast press that was supposed to represent them and their hobby. People seized the opportunity to make use of this outrage, and tried to direct it to different ends. Lots of gamers just wanted the gaming media to get better or fuck off. Lots of anti-SJW and/or right-wing people wanted to fight against online progressives. And there was plenty of overlap.
Frankly, for a long time I haven't seen people fighting to change journalism, but to expose How bad It is. And that seems an accomplished goal. How many people have more Trust in people like you these days than "professional journalists". The gatekeepers lost most of their Power.
This video illustrates, in a nutshell, why I really appreciate your channel, You tell it like it is, without pandering, always remaining objective and factual.
Oh, trust me, I do know that ;) It's actually something I debated quite heavily during my time in academia; I always argued that everyone has their biases, and as such, no data, document or source of any kind can ever be fully taken at face value. I suppose, what I meant is that in a world where polarisation has, in many respects, become the norm, yours is a voice of sanity. Sure, you certainly have your biases, but... you're rational, and that counts for a lot, considering how rare this has become. Or, at least, as you note, it's increasingly rare for rational voices to not be drowned out by the lunatic fringe on all sides of the spectrum.. whether that be gaming, politics, or, anything else.
I usually just watch a few select TH-camrs to get my gaming related news. Channels I've watched a few videos of and checked the facts first before coming to the conclusion that that person is safe.
Four years later, #GamerGate's mere presence is enough to strike fear into some games journalists and drive many others insane. For that reason alone, it can drive games journalism to a richly deserved death.
blkmge Bullshit. No one was ever afraid of Gamergate. It was used to scam money from useful idiots who bought into the "poor defenseless wamyn" narrative.
Yes but it also got a huge list of previously unknown pedos and serial rapists exposed, one guy even turned out to be a murderer. So both sides have a few victories under their belts, only thing about Anita that you can give to her credit is that despite being exposed for being a huckster she still managed to get retards to throw money at her. For someone who cracks on constantly about gender roles and stereotypes she does dress very stereotypically feminine. Wise woman once said "when a woman is exploited by a man that's sexist, when a woman exploits herself that's just good business"
Yeah, I figured that was about how it happened. Somehow or other, I completely missed Gamergate when everyone was talking about it, but it was always weird to me how radically different each side's version of the story was.
Zaric Zhakaron I think he means in the way of a bunch of idiots who like to spout out a bunch of politically correct nonsense a just have you get flooded by a bunch of people we ignore and try not to think about. Or he thinks that a bunch of SJW's, keyboard warriors, and white knights will actually be able to threaten you with harm or your channel mass, yet totally unfounded, copyright strikes/reports on your videos.
I was a writer in a game magazine back then in Bulgaria and we didn`t get any game, and absolutely no one told us what to write about any game. And the magazine itself was almost 80 pages and every issue was sold out. But we got into situation when even when we sold every magazine we cannot afford the printing price. I got a look of some western magazines - pfff, its full of soulless adds in a form of articles, its good way to discover games but you shouldn`t trust a word from there.
Hm. Well, I was a games reviewer for TechRaptor for a couple years, and every single score I gave a game was my own rating. I was never once directed, or even suggested, to give any game any particular score.
Love you man, there are very few people on TH-cam or the Internet for that matter that I care to watch videos no matter the length all the way through. You make excellent points my dude.
People care so much about the degeneracy that's in their games yet they don't realize that it originally manifested in the outside world through social change and has spread throughout all forms of entertainment, marketing and jurisdiction.
True it has been sullied from the beginning, but why defend it by saying it's always been corrupt and call the GG movement naive. Also the memes and trolling session really hit the nail on the head of the media reactionary behavior. Also why didn't you go into detail over Quinn depression quest and The 5 guy's scandal, to long or not enough knowledge on the matter? Also I thank you for being respectful to TotalBiscuit.
As much as she'd claim the opposite, Zoe Quinn was only the straw that broke the camel's back and was not the focus of GG The only reason people ever kept talking about her was that she kept doing shady shit and going out of her way to involve herself in it
I never payed much attention to games magazines and web sites. Honestly it wasn't until I found Totalbiscuit and Jesse Cox that I bothered to consume any gaming content beyond the games themselves. Then again, I only ever played RPG's and MMO's. So most of my gaming info was from gaming forums before the TH-cam explosion. TB's reviews and news content was the only coverage beyond release dates I've ever really paid attention to, but that was because he seemed to be brutally honest, damning the consequences :P
I like the Trump part. That was brutally honest and i love every sec of it. Angry Joe should watch this video because he as no idea what gamer gate is.
Anon ymus I’m guessing they were probably money hungry puppies looking to take advantage of the everyday dog treat to fund their suspicious activities 0.o.
That took me by surprise. Really. Let me say first and foremost that i'm what people would call a SJW, i'm an anarcho-communist, a supporter of feminism, a supporter of LGBT rights and in general a supporter of minorities. When i first found Zaric i was very skeptical about his content because while i liked some of the stuff he said i had this strong idea that he probably was a conservative and GamersGate supporter (that is, in all the terrible ideas of what a GamerGate supporter is). However i knew that this idea was based more on preconceived notions of how most of those supporters are and on some elements of the community than on Zaric himself, so i stuck on following him, even thought i mostly avoided participating on his streams and stuff like that. Now i can see that while i don't agree with him on everything he is a reasonable guy. I do think GamersGate is unsalvagable as it stands and that those people that really want to strive for ethics on game journalism should do everything they can to oppose those conservative positions. By now they are better off restarting under a new name. The other problem is that politically we got to a turning point in history. We got to the point where minorities and their allies can't tolerate the oppression they suffer anymore and the oppressors and their allies can't tolerate the minorities wanting their rights anymore. I believe that everything is in a way or another political but we live in a time where there is no space for one side to tolerate the other and it's more and more obvious how impossible it is to tackle a issue like Ethics in Gaming Journalism without getting into bigger issues as well. Now i find important to point out that this duality we have nowdays, and which i notice specially in the US (maybe because of the two-party system) is not real. There is infighting on the right (ancaps vs classic conservatives vs neoliberals and etc) and on the left (anarchists vs communists vs social democrats and etc). There is even infighting between the Democrats and the Republicans, which are both right-wing parties (Yep, as much as people on both sides of the struggle would like the opposite there is nothing Left-wing about Hillary or Obama). The Democrats are historically the Banker's party and the Republicans are historically the Industrialist (specially Arms industrialist) party. About TotalBiscuit, i didn't know the guy, didn't follow his channel (not out of any political position but because i never felt the need to watch his videos) and i do think it's weird to talk about someone that can't defend themselves anymore. I lost my father to cancer and know it's tough, really tough. That being said i think it's hard to look at GamersGate without seeing the harassment done because of it and that in a way by supporting it even after that you at the very least turning a blind eye for what is happening. This is why i think it's really important for people that actually want ethics in game journalism to strongly position themselves against harassment and the co-opting of their cause and that by this point they are better off ditching the GamersGate name. Now... I know most people that will not read this because it's too long and some will probably only read a small part of it before deciding i just be purged or something like that. Summarizing everything, i enjoyed the video and it surprised me in a pleasant way. While i disagree with some points i find it surprising how he could cover the issue while showing both sides. I also find the economical perspective he has on it extremely important. It's essential to have this economic vision of the issue because while individuals might be motivated by ideology companies are only motivated by profit. It's a common theme on several Zaric videos because of how important it is and how little attention some people pay to it. Heck, it was extremely naive of that Andromeda dev to think TotalBiscuit was more at fault for the game's failure than EA and their approach to game development. It shows how easy it is for companies to co-opt important political issues for profit or even just to keep devs from blaming the company and looking at their own rights.
ChaoticTabris That's a lot of effort for a youtube comment. People who are willing to listen to those whose political position they oppose or suspect they might oppose are good people in my book. I wanted to comment on what you said about the dynamic between oppressors and oppressed coming to a crisis point (at the start of your third paragraph). I wish you were right. I wish I could live to see times of fundamental change. But I believe one must be very careful when identifying such times. Any generations believes to be most important and in a way they all are. But do you really think the tensions now are more important and more fundamental than the societal changes of the late sixties and early seventies? Tens of Millions uses of a hashtag seem impressive but are they really comparable to say the March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom? Where hundreds of thousands of black people actually physically demonstrated for their rights in a time where Jim Crow laws were real: in a time where interracial marriage was banned in many states. What we see today is alot of flaunting of social virtuousness without people being in real danger. Companies use racial and social tension as marketing tools (Starbucks just as one example). It all seems very clean and safe and commercialized. It feels good to imagine that this time something is going to change. But ever since Marx analyzed the revolutionary dynamics of human history people thought this. "Now it's time! This time it is going to be a revolution!" And then it is not and becomes authoritarian Socialism and never moves on and it sucks. Also I believe that the oppressed class today should not be identified by their minority-status or their ethnicity but by their social status. There are a lot more Asian migrant workers than graphic designers in the world. Doesn't make the minority of graphic designers oppressed. I think you know this of course. But the interchangeable use of "oppressed" and "minority" irks me.
To me this is all a huge and long process and we don't really know when it's going to happen in the end. I don't believe my generation is more important than the ones that came before. I prefer to think we are a continuation of what came before. I also don't believe any form of revolution will happen in the near future, as i believe this is also a long process. I also understand that if a big change for the better in our society ever happens it's probably going to create something that is going to be different than communism or anarchism. I also don't believe that every numerical minority is oppressed. An expression i've heard before is "political minority" which means that a specific group is underrepresented or has less rights than another. Different times bring different issues to the forefront. The question of transgender rights, as an example, is one that was present from the start of the modern LGBT movement going back to the it's inception during the Stonewall Riots back 1969 (Heck, it was a trans woman that thrown the first brick) but was not really brought to the forefront until the early 2000s. I don't think i or any political activist is going to say that the what black people suffer today can compare to what they suffered during the Jim Crow Laws in the US or slavery, but the road for a racism free society is still very long and there is still a lot to be done, black people still die every day both in america and here due to police violence and other hate crimes and racial minorities in general don't stand on the same grounds as white man do. To put it simple, i don't see myself or my generation as the most important one and i see political activism as a continuous work. I believe that by engaging on it i'm taking part on this process of trying to create a better world for the next generations. Something that i feel really expresses this view is a quote from Argentine director Fernando Birri. When asked what utility Utopia had. Birri asnwered: "The Utopia is at the horizon. I know full-well i'll never reach it. That if i take ten steps towards it, it will move away ten steps. The more I search, the more she will move away because it's flees the more i get walk closer to it. So what is Utopia for? It's for that, so i keep walking".
This is why I don't believe the hype and ask other gamers about new games before I buy them, you can't trust a magazine or website who depends on ads for the the same thing they review obviously
23:30 The main difference between your wife & a woman who is a journalist. Is that you are not your wife & whilst threats of any kind are not in keeping with the legality or the spirit of free speech. An innocent, who is not putting their views out there, does not court such a reaction. Some worthy context. According to the CDC about 3% of the population has some form of antisocial personality disorder, with a third of them being actual psychopaths. Any any significantly large group, there is a probability of 1, that at least some members of the groups will be sociopathic.
I knew big industrial gamedev was unfixably corrupt and was content about it. Money is easy to track and adjust against. But discovering that small indies weren't any better and arguably were even worse in some aspects felt like real back stub.
100% agreed As always the rich and powerful get called out and are able to pit the poor and stupid against each other. They just sit back and laugh. Lmao
I remember Alahna Pearce made a video talking about her life working at ign and specifically made a point to say "I never witnessed any sort of corruption or shady practices". Oh, honey... the entire idea of the company is corrupt.
This is already long before gamergate pops it's rear ugly head. Just look up Jeff Gerstmann, Dan Hsu and Robert Florence they worked in the system until the system screwed them over.
The supposed origins of gamergate always confused me because I always thought that games journalism was thinly veiled advertisements and everyone already knew that. I mean hell, Nintendo power wasn't even thinly veiled. But all the other magazines were totally advertiser owned. Turns out some people didn't and some other people used them to attack women they didn't like. A lot of people like to think that games journalists inject their personal politics, but that doesn't make any sense. It's more along the lines of their job's owner's politics or to create controversy. Then the trolls took gamergate and turned it into a movement to make gamers look like oversensitive manchildren who feel threatened by women in gaming (attacking female developers to the point where it's hard to get them to do interviews even to this day.), and love censoring companies (Beamdog's expansion for baldur's gate being censored due to gamergate trolls going after them.) You talk about meaningless awards and I think of a somewhat recent WoW video from Taliesin and Evitel where they ranked healers coming into BFA. Spoiler: every class won best at something. It still hyped me up a bit to play Disc in BFA. I knew we'd come around to totalbiscuit. I saw the recent article. It's such a load of shit. Totalbiscuit as far as I can remember never joined in with the trolls. Granted he was a jerk sometimes, but I agreed with him on many different things, I just didn't agree with him on gamergate, I thought the whole thing was a shitshow to be avoided as much as possible. He seemed to agree with the non-harassment side, while never engaging in harassment, and I don't remember him ever really harassing anyone. People throwing him under the bus now, even after he died, are disgusting. Though staying out of it might not have helped. I mean ask Liana Kerzner how well staying neutral went. No really. Apparently Gamergate, like everything else on the internet these days is a "you're either with us or against us" thing.
Zaric Zhakaron yes. Occasionally I forget that there's an entire generation of gamers that came around after the ps2 was released even. What is common knowledge to someone gaming through the 90s wouldn't be for them.
I think it was when games journalism said gamers are sexist and other shit that fan the flames of GG. Putting identity politics into game reviews, not defending gamers, being high and mighty.
To be clear, I'm not supporting 'Elsagate', because placing both words hold no sense for me. Just call it something else. That's like exclaiming Churchill's massacres as genocides or as a mere Holocaust. They're not the same thing.
You had one side that wanted to keep games untouched by people's political opinions You had another side that wanted Whamen not to have big jiggly tiddies And you had another side who wanted men to stop harrassing women in Video Games.... Well I mean we have games where men run around shirtless with a body that every man would dream of And let's be real if you're on the internet of any sort, you're bound to be harrassed by someone. For any reason I might add and it most likely doesn't matter what gender you are or where you came from. ^ anyone can be an ass to anyone in the online world
The moral of the story is to always remember that there are no women in video games thus said women cannot logically have been harassed. Also can we please make it culturally unacceptable for anyone to walk around without a shirt? I'd rather not see that stuff when I'm at the beach.
The side that "wanted men to stop harassing women" isn't even remotely accurate, they just wanted to put women on a pedestal so that they could get more control over the industry. Anita Sarkeesian being a prime example.
I know this is unrelated to the video, but I have a TES lore question. Is it plausible for magic to leave any visible markings (whether they be temporary or permanent) on a caster's hand? It's pretty open-ended; from all I know, there's nothing of the sort mentioned in the lore, but I wanted to get your opinion before I put it in a quest mod.
You claim not to be a very good person, but, at least on this video, you come across as reasonable and somewhat decent. You show empathy for people being harassed, at least to some degree, and is perfectly able to criticise bigotry...
morally correct gaming journalism is not possible, it's most likely true... but, we actually had fair opinion-ism here on youtube prior to 2010~ or so, before companies started hiring youtubers in mass quantities. what can i say... nowadays, basically, any gaming-oriented youtuber who's playing/reviewing only newly released games = new low for humanity.
Unfortunately, groups & movements have been tainted time & time again, regardless of how good the intentions may have been. I may get shit for this, but an example of this would be Black Lives Matter.
Wanna solve media corruption? Pretend they dont exist the less notoriaty and attention they get the less income they get games or any kind of media want 1 thing and revenue that's it
Oof..almost forgot about GG, but the internet never forgets. P.S: Zaric. This is what happens when you dont upload for a time, I backlog your old gamergate videos lolololol
I've been anti-Gamergate for a long time and I generally consider myself to be on the social justice side of things when it comes to most political discussions and debate. I didn't agree with everything you said but this video was a very nuanced and balanced take and you showed me a perspective on the issue that I hadn't taken into account before. On a sidenote, RIP TotalBiscuit. His co-optional podcast helped me through tough times on many occasions.
+zariczhakaron You said once that totalbiscuit was a boring man, but now you’re saying you like his content? P.S: I’m not trying to attack u I’m just wondering.
Ok, so Zack, oh wise, if ethically dubious and misanthropic one; gamer gate started out as push back against sleazy Gaming magazines, which has been going on forever. When did it trasnmorgpha into feminist upset over unnaturally sized pixel boobies as a slippery slope to Harvey Wienstien's casting couch verse men children who don't live in their mother's basement upset women were daring play to something as sacredly Alpha Male manly as computer games? That had to be the most comically disturbing part of the whole thing. Or was that all gaslighting from the Gaming Magazines to change the topic from them?
Good memes never die. A good meme is more than just something absurd that is funny in the moment, it's a self-encompassing expression of a complex idea, which you can use to convey an idea with fewer words, similarly to idioms. New meme chasing culture is stupid, memes have always existed, they just weren't called that before.
I respect your honesty. One man's harassment is another man's criticism. GamerGate was full of game journalists or other popular figures throwing out accusations, blame, hitpieces, etc., then crying foul of "harassment" when people responded to them. The most famous example is, of course, Anita Sarkeesian (Scamkeesian, as I call her, since she's a professional scam artist). She viciously attacked video games with grossly dishonest propaganda, and any attempt to correct her was seen as harassment. She denied that any women would disagree with her, and focused almost exclusively on her male detractors to push a narrative of "misogyny." Her wildly successful Kickstarter was never even half finished.
@@RealMarcFoxx in what way is anita sarkeesian a scam artist? she made a fundraising campaign to create a certain amount of videos about women in games. She made more videos than the amount she promised. I've never seen anyone substantiate the scam accusation, and it just makes it seem like you think it's a scam because the videos are about something you dislike.
I was one of those naive people who thought gamergate could accomplish something. But it became a cancerous environment and a meme and it felt like the origin point was drowned out by all the arm flailing on both sides. There were still people who tried to keep it focused and actually did some good, but the damage was done.
Ok so here is the thing that still bothers me after all of this: most people who i would consider gamers know that games journalism is fake and holds as much weight as trumps tweets. So how does it still exist? Who is the audience if a good chunk of your intended audience knows you're a fraud and therefore doesnt give you the time of day
Joe Alexander why would a war profiteer or russian oligarchs care about games journalism? My point is that the people who care enough to look up a review of a game know not to look at gaming journalism. At least to me, that fact makes the industry seem pointless.
So, let me get this straight. Money runs the world and people suck?
Yes.
I have said it before and I will say it again. There is only one true 'God' on Earth. And that God is Money.
Money can buy you out of any crime.
Money can buy you anything you might need or want.
Even the mainstream religions bow down to money.
Yes. If those who started gamergate had the same understanding as Zaric, they woud've realized social media wouldn't move the likes of IGN and others. I'm thinking the best choice would be establishing + funding an independent, ethically driven journal that would have enough money to hire full time writers, reviewers, editors, etc.
GlobalistPotato - I'd be amused if it was called GamerGate. 😆
It's not what I would pick. 😛 It implies "Our paper is a scandal!" or gatekeeping, neither of which is good for the outlet. GamerGate came from Watergate, named after the Watergate complex. What is next to the Watergate complex? Georgetown! Therefore, the outlet shall be called Gametown! 😂
Evil laugh = 7/10
Needs more dr evil
That bit at the end about dishing it out and taking it...was that a nod to the Guild Wars 2 firing I detect? If so, good on you.
There was an editorial in Electronic Gaming Monthly from 2006. Dan Hsu, the editor in chief, called out games journalism as a whole for bowing down to publishers who threatened to pull ads from their magazines in retaliation for less than perfect reviews. It was already a problem back then, and it's only gone downhill as print dies and revenue for journalism goes down. As you said, it's folly to believe a Twitter hashtag would do anything to reverse that trend.
Perhaps benefit of such twitter # is promoting public awareness of the problem, so that average consumer would be aware of present bias and not falsely assume media in question were honest operators.
Just because you or Zhakaron might have been aware of the problem for all that tame it should not be assumed average consumer was, so anything that increases familiarity with the problem by said poorly informed consumer would be net benefit.
ZoneofA That would have never work with the #. It to easy for someone to twist the message around and make the people doing the # into the bad guys. Normal people won't dig into the BS to find the truth. Gamergate was never going to work
I never considered Gaming Journalism anything more than glorified advertising. The thing that surprised me about Gamergate is that there were enough people taking it seriously to warrant a movement against it.
If you remove the "corruption" form gaming journalism you will have almost nothing left.
There is a problem with your thinking, people go to those publications (any product publication like cars, computers etc.) for good information. If they do not get it, they will stop buying it, then who is going to buy your mag or patronise your web site? GamerGate was successful, after forcing the loss of millions of dollars in revenue and some jobs, the publishers made concessions and implemented reforms. Above all, they now understand who is paying the bills, the customer.
Marty Robinson It didn't work, it just causes damage to both sides. More of the mainstream will remember Gamergate as cyberbullies and the change is just damage control, the companies are still doing the same shit but act like they care. Also, cars, computers, and etc have the same problems as the video game does (the cars dealer are more mess up)
Little late here but I just found your channel and wanted to say you deserve way more views. I was a big fan of TB, respected him a lot, and one of the first things I thought watching your vids was it reminded me of the kinds of subjects he used to tackle. Glad we still have people like you to carry on his legacy and what he stood for. RIP TotalBiscuit
Gaming Journalism they think their the might of the gaming industry even though almost no one takes them seriously their a joke at best
Oh well I guess I better be more cautious with gaming journalism I mean gamers know them and see them as a joke but and the end of the day you're right I'm looking at these in my own perspective and not in anothers one.
Zaric Zhakaron i know this doesn't have to do with the video but what do you the Tesaeci look like asians or like snake people
Bryan Manuel - 'And the end of the day'?
mayuko gw2 - *to
I don't think that the core message of #GamerGate was "drowned out" by any organic process or the majority of the people using the hashtag. It was "drowned out" by dishonest journalists writing hitpiece articles and blatantly lying to label the movement a "hate group." Kind of like the case of the journalist who got caught posting a racist post on Reddit, then turning around and writing a story about the very post he himself wrote.
The hashtag may not be used very much anymore, but it still served two purposes in the end:
One was making the worst of the journo offenders, the outspoken libelous types who write for Polygon/Mary Sue/Kotaku/etc., were listed within the GamesJournoPros mailing list, or who have been caught making backroom deals and lying about products they cover, I.E. Nathan Grayson and Ben Kutchera among others, or people in general as we saw with TB when he died, watch their backs because more of us were catching on to what they were doing and were becoming more willing to speak out and expose them. (Hell, Razorfist was covering bad/corrupt journalists and websites long before GamerGate emerged.)
Second was it helped spark a movement to get alternatives, both in terms of personas and websites, to these major sites up and running and supported. NicheGamer, ChristCenteredGaming, OneAngryGamer, OpRainfall, DeepFreeze and RedValueGaming come to mind for me with the latter, DeepFreeze especially since it catalogs the known offenses game journos and websites have made before and after GamerGate started.
That said, I don't think GamerGate went far enough with removing certain names from the industry pool. The GamesJournoPros list was proof enough there was a lot of lying being agreed upon behind closed doors and between websites. Remember the "Gamers don't have to be your audience. Gamers are dead" article surge back in 2014? I do. Not long after that was when William Usher, the guy who runs OneAngryGamer, exposed the GJP list and showed how overbearing and yet influential some like Kutchera were being with pushing lies behind the scenes and between websites. One such example being Ben was pressuring The Escapist to shut down GamerGate discussion, I.E. promoting censorship.
Guess what Polygon and these other major sites who know they're being watched like to do now? Censor discussions and pull out GamerGate as a boogyman because they won't, much less can't, accept their lies being challenged. That's how you know GamerGate had an impact.
"Trump is a hilarious pool of memes."
It's funny because it's true.
POSTAL 2 is a very offensive game that has around 5.5 ratings in most of the game review websites (including IGN), despite having overwhelmingly positive reviews from its players. This game is the perfect example of what "game journalism" does to small companies and their games that don't align to their "moral standards". Also, this game was created in 2003 before the whole SJW bullshit and it's still a cult classic, people still haven't changed their minds about it.
The whole "game journalism" industry is a big pile of bullshit, when you need reviews get them from the actual players (and even then with a grain of salt), or watch a gameplay video and make up your own mind.
Also, fuck IGN
clean carp I rate this comment a 9/10
A cult classic, is kind of appropriate, because it has a zealous following for dumb reasons. Postal 2 is a sadism similator and doesn't have anything really worthy of praise, the sandbox elements are extremely limited, compared to the likes of GTa, it has no narrative elements, is basically just running round in circles killing dumb a.i. It's not deserving of praise, especially not in comparison to games the like Witcher 3 and praising it just because it's offensive is pretentious.
It only exists to satisfy a narcissistic side of the generation, that are obsessed with offensive material. But something being offensive for the sake of it, with no real context, is just trying too hard imo.
Sword DCUO WOW! I bet your one of those people who won’t touch a game that doesn’t meet your “expert” standards for “fun” gameplay. Or maybe it was just too offensive for you. Did you even beat the game? Don’t criticize other people for loving a great game that has brilliant satirical commentary, and unique game mechanics you can’t find in any other game ever. So don’t spread your bullshit lies about Postal 2! Nobody listen to this tasteless normie.
@@Top-Lip This is a very shit armchair psychologist take. Consider the time that Postal 2 came out and how different it was to everything else, what it said about the cultural climate in America at the time. It's really easy to look back on a janky early 2000s game and make dumb claims like it being a sadist simulator if you weren't actually alive at the time to play it.
@@Top-Lip this dude really out there comparing Witcher 3 to Postal 2
The only way for GG to have even worked is if GG supporters had started actual reviewing websites.
It did.
@@indan no
You're so right. I think that's why many of us long for the early days. Gaming was loved and shared by gamers, it was special when a new game came out. Now all you see is shooters with different skins..
Zaric - your long form discussion content about the industry as a whole in a macro sense AND very specific cases within say TES communities in a micro sense is why I sub to you. Your honesty and ability to get through the bullshit is your strongest attribute! Haven't finished watching the video, I just got excited that I had another opportunity to hear this kind of content from you. Thanks
Games Journalism goes beyond reviews. At the moment it seems like Game Journo sites tend to "report" a lot about the going-on in the games industry. And this is where bias can do more harm. Any review can be dismissed as unreliable or opinionated, but "objective" articles that report on events, like the current ArenaNet controversy, are easier to take at face value. And for people who don't have the time or interest to research everything for themselves, they'll just trust that the self-appointed experts of the gaming sphere are giving an accurate picture.
Solving this is tough because it's basically the same problem that any online publication can fall victim to. Defamatory and incorrect articles pop up from time to time, and for people who aren't well versed in the topic beforehand, they might seem as reliable as any other article on that website. See: Fader's ridiculous article about Anthony Fantano.
Yellow Journalism, of course, is as old as journalism itself. And it's still something that society struggles with. It seems like now, the internet has made things even worse, at least in the short term.
The gaming "press" tends to be very detached from the actual gaming populace. This strain came to a head with the infamous "Gamers are Dead" articles, when they basically denounced gamers as a whole. In response, Gamergate really took off. Before then, it had basically just been another Gamespot/Gerstmann style controversy.
More than ethics or social justice, that's what Gamergate was really about. Gamers feeling disillusioned and wronged by the enthusiast press that was supposed to represent them and their hobby.
People seized the opportunity to make use of this outrage, and tried to direct it to different ends. Lots of gamers just wanted the gaming media to get better or fuck off. Lots of anti-SJW and/or right-wing people wanted to fight against online progressives. And there was plenty of overlap.
Frankly, for a long time I haven't seen people fighting to change journalism, but to expose How bad It is. And that seems an accomplished goal. How many people have more Trust in people like you these days than "professional journalists". The gatekeepers lost most of their Power.
This video illustrates, in a nutshell, why I really appreciate your channel, You tell it like it is, without pandering, always remaining objective and factual.
Oh, trust me, I do know that ;) It's actually something I debated quite heavily during my time in academia; I always argued that everyone has their biases, and as such, no data, document or source of any kind can ever be fully taken at face value.
I suppose, what I meant is that in a world where polarisation has, in many respects, become the norm, yours is a voice of sanity. Sure, you certainly have your biases, but... you're rational, and that counts for a lot, considering how rare this has become. Or, at least, as you note, it's increasingly rare for rational voices to not be drowned out by the lunatic fringe on all sides of the spectrum.. whether that be gaming, politics, or, anything else.
I usually just watch a few select TH-camrs to get my gaming related news. Channels I've watched a few videos of and checked the facts first before coming to the conclusion that that person is safe.
Four years later, #GamerGate's mere presence is enough to strike fear into some games journalists and drive many others insane. For that reason alone, it can drive games journalism to a richly deserved death.
Totalbiscuit?
blkmge Bullshit. No one was ever afraid of Gamergate. It was used to scam money from useful idiots who bought into the "poor defenseless wamyn" narrative.
Yes but it also got a huge list of previously unknown pedos and serial rapists exposed, one guy even turned out to be a murderer. So both sides have a few victories under their belts, only thing about Anita that you can give to her credit is that despite being exposed for being a huckster she still managed to get retards to throw money at her. For someone who cracks on constantly about gender roles and stereotypes she does dress very stereotypically feminine.
Wise woman once said "when a woman is exploited by a man that's sexist, when a woman exploits herself that's just good business"
Yeah, I figured that was about how it happened. Somehow or other, I completely missed Gamergate when everyone was talking about it, but it was always weird to me how radically different each side's version of the story was.
Scoring video games always bothered me. What's the point of using 10 point system when you never give below 5?
Oh be careful; people will tell you that using the word "tribalism" is racist and will immediately shut you down :V
Ooga booga
Not really
TrIbAlIsM...
They can try...
Zaric Zhakaron I think he means in the way of a bunch of idiots who like to spout out a bunch of politically correct nonsense a just have you get flooded by a bunch of people we ignore and try not to think about. Or he thinks that a bunch of SJW's, keyboard warriors, and white knights will actually be able to threaten you with harm or your channel mass, yet totally unfounded, copyright strikes/reports on your videos.
I was a writer in a game magazine back then in Bulgaria and we didn`t get any game, and absolutely no one told us what to write about any game. And the magazine itself was almost 80 pages and every issue was sold out. But we got into situation when even when we sold every magazine we cannot afford the printing price. I got a look of some western magazines - pfff, its full of soulless adds in a form of articles, its good way to discover games but you shouldn`t trust a word from there.
Gaming journalism does not exist. It is a misnomer. There is nothing "journalistic" about it. They are just advertisers.
I think that you should make more videos on different topics like this one! As a person who missed out on the drama, it is quite entertaining.
Hm. Well, I was a games reviewer for TechRaptor for a couple years, and every single score I gave a game was my own rating. I was never once directed, or even suggested, to give any game any particular score.
A video on gamergate?
I'm going to need more coffee before watching, since it's too early to have a magic cup of mystery.
Love you man, there are very few people on TH-cam or the Internet for that matter that I care to watch videos no matter the length all the way through. You make excellent points my dude.
People care so much about the degeneracy that's in their games yet they don't realize that it originally manifested in the outside world through social change and has spread throughout all forms of entertainment, marketing and jurisdiction.
True it has been sullied from the beginning, but why defend it by saying it's always been corrupt and call the GG movement naive. Also the memes and trolling session really hit the nail on the head of the media reactionary behavior. Also why didn't you go into detail over Quinn depression quest and The 5 guy's scandal, to long or not enough knowledge on the matter? Also I thank you for being respectful to TotalBiscuit.
As much as she'd claim the opposite, Zoe Quinn was only the straw that broke the camel's back and was not the focus of GG
The only reason people ever kept talking about her was that she kept doing shady shit and going out of her way to involve herself in it
I never payed much attention to games magazines and web sites. Honestly it wasn't until I found Totalbiscuit and Jesse Cox that I bothered to consume any gaming content beyond the games themselves. Then again, I only ever played RPG's and MMO's. So most of my gaming info was from gaming forums before the TH-cam explosion.
TB's reviews and news content was the only coverage beyond release dates I've ever really paid attention to, but that was because he seemed to be brutally honest, damning the consequences :P
I like the Trump part. That was brutally honest and i love every sec of it.
Angry Joe should watch this video because he as no idea what gamer gate is.
Games media: the shit-show that’s stunk from day 1.
Also c’mon Zarric you’re not bad :)
You don't know he drowned puppies in water with his bare hands?
Anon ymus I’m guessing they were probably money hungry puppies looking to take advantage of the everyday dog treat to fund their suspicious activities 0.o.
That took me by surprise. Really.
Let me say first and foremost that i'm what people would call a SJW, i'm an anarcho-communist, a supporter of feminism, a supporter of LGBT rights and in general a supporter of minorities. When i first found Zaric i was very skeptical about his content because while i liked some of the stuff he said i had this strong idea that he probably was a conservative and GamersGate supporter (that is, in all the terrible ideas of what a GamerGate supporter is). However i knew that this idea was based more on preconceived notions of how most of those supporters are and on some elements of the community than on Zaric himself, so i stuck on following him, even thought i mostly avoided participating on his streams and stuff like that.
Now i can see that while i don't agree with him on everything he is a reasonable guy. I do think GamersGate is unsalvagable as it stands and that those people that really want to strive for ethics on game journalism should do everything they can to oppose those conservative positions. By now they are better off restarting under a new name.
The other problem is that politically we got to a turning point in history. We got to the point where minorities and their allies can't tolerate the oppression they suffer anymore and the oppressors and their allies can't tolerate the minorities wanting their rights anymore. I believe that everything is in a way or another political but we live in a time where there is no space for one side to tolerate the other and it's more and more obvious how impossible it is to tackle a issue like Ethics in Gaming Journalism without getting into bigger issues as well. Now i find important to point out that this duality we have nowdays, and which i notice specially in the US (maybe because of the two-party system) is not real. There is infighting on the right (ancaps vs classic conservatives vs neoliberals and etc) and on the left (anarchists vs communists vs social democrats and etc). There is even infighting between the Democrats and the Republicans, which are both right-wing parties (Yep, as much as people on both sides of the struggle would like the opposite there is nothing Left-wing about Hillary or Obama). The Democrats are historically the Banker's party and the Republicans are historically the Industrialist (specially Arms industrialist) party.
About TotalBiscuit, i didn't know the guy, didn't follow his channel (not out of any political position but because i never felt the need to watch his videos) and i do think it's weird to talk about someone that can't defend themselves anymore. I lost my father to cancer and know it's tough, really tough. That being said i think it's hard to look at GamersGate without seeing the harassment done because of it and that in a way by supporting it even after that you at the very least turning a blind eye for what is happening. This is why i think it's really important for people that actually want ethics in game journalism to strongly position themselves against harassment and the co-opting of their cause and that by this point they are better off ditching the GamersGate name.
Now... I know most people that will not read this because it's too long and some will probably only read a small part of it before deciding i just be purged or something like that. Summarizing everything, i enjoyed the video and it surprised me in a pleasant way. While i disagree with some points i find it surprising how he could cover the issue while showing both sides. I also find the economical perspective he has on it extremely important. It's essential to have this economic vision of the issue because while individuals might be motivated by ideology companies are only motivated by profit. It's a common theme on several Zaric videos because of how important it is and how little attention some people pay to it. Heck, it was extremely naive of that Andromeda dev to think TotalBiscuit was more at fault for the game's failure than EA and their approach to game development. It shows how easy it is for companies to co-opt important political issues for profit or even just to keep devs from blaming the company and looking at their own rights.
What's your opinion on technocracy ?
ChaoticTabris That's a lot of effort for a youtube comment. People who are willing to listen to those whose political position they oppose or suspect they might oppose are good people in my book.
I wanted to comment on what you said about the dynamic between oppressors and oppressed coming to a crisis point (at the start of your third paragraph). I wish you were right. I wish I could live to see times of fundamental change. But I believe one must be very careful when identifying such times. Any generations believes to be most important and in a way they all are. But do you really think the tensions now are more important and more fundamental than the societal changes of the late sixties and early seventies? Tens of Millions uses of a hashtag seem impressive but are they really comparable to say the March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom? Where hundreds of thousands of black people actually physically demonstrated for their rights in a time where Jim Crow laws were real: in a time where interracial marriage was banned in many states.
What we see today is alot of flaunting of social virtuousness without people being in real danger. Companies use racial and social tension as marketing tools (Starbucks just as one example). It all seems very clean and safe and commercialized.
It feels good to imagine that this time something is going to change. But ever since Marx analyzed the revolutionary dynamics of human history people thought this. "Now it's time! This time it is going to be a revolution!" And then it is not and becomes authoritarian Socialism and never moves on and it sucks.
Also I believe that the oppressed class today should not be identified by their minority-status or their ethnicity but by their social status. There are a lot more Asian migrant workers than graphic designers in the world. Doesn't make the minority of graphic designers oppressed. I think you know this of course. But the interchangeable use of "oppressed" and "minority" irks me.
To me this is all a huge and long process and we don't really know when it's going to happen in the end. I don't believe my generation is more important than the ones that came before. I prefer to think we are a continuation of what came before. I also don't believe any form of revolution will happen in the near future, as i believe this is also a long process. I also understand that if a big change for the better in our society ever happens it's probably going to create something that is going to be different than communism or anarchism.
I also don't believe that every numerical minority is oppressed. An expression i've heard before is "political minority" which means that a specific group is underrepresented or has less rights than another.
Different times bring different issues to the forefront. The question of transgender rights, as an example, is one that was present from the start of the modern LGBT movement going back to the it's inception during the Stonewall Riots back 1969 (Heck, it was a trans woman that thrown the first brick) but was not really brought to the forefront until the early 2000s. I don't think i or any political activist is going to say that the what black people suffer today can compare to what they suffered during the Jim Crow Laws in the US or slavery, but the road for a racism free society is still very long and there is still a lot to be done, black people still die every day both in america and here due to police violence and other hate crimes and racial minorities in general don't stand on the same grounds as white man do.
To put it simple, i don't see myself or my generation as the most important one and i see political activism as a continuous work. I believe that by engaging on it i'm taking part on this process of trying to create a better world for the next generations.
Something that i feel really expresses this view is a quote from Argentine director Fernando Birri. When asked what utility Utopia had. Birri asnwered: "The Utopia is at the horizon. I know full-well i'll never reach it. That if i take ten steps towards it, it will move away ten steps. The more I search, the more she will move away because it's flees the more i get walk closer to it. So what is Utopia for? It's for that, so i keep walking".
@@Zhakaron you swapped the "b" and "g" lol, doesn't roll off the tongue as well
This is why I don't believe the hype and ask other gamers about new games before I buy them, you can't trust a magazine or website who depends on ads for the the same thing they review obviously
"Games are not art" ~IGN 2016
Actual quote from their review on one of the fire emblems.
23:30
The main difference between your wife & a woman who is a journalist. Is that you are not your wife & whilst threats of any kind are not in keeping with the legality or the spirit of free speech. An innocent, who is not putting their views out there, does not court such a reaction.
Some worthy context. According to the CDC about 3% of the population has some form of antisocial personality disorder, with a third of them being actual psychopaths. Any any significantly large group, there is a probability of 1, that at least some members of the groups will be sociopathic.
I knew big industrial gamedev was unfixably corrupt and was content about it. Money is easy to track and adjust against.
But discovering that small indies weren't any better and arguably were even worse in some aspects felt like real back stub.
100% agreed
As always the rich and powerful get called out and are able to pit the poor and stupid against each other.
They just sit back and laugh. Lmao
#GamerGate
#ArenaNetPride
#FuckAnita
#FuckThatFormerArenaNetDev
U forgot #DepressionQuestSucked
Lucky Clover I already do my man. And Bioware. And Activision.
#Anitadidnothingwrong
Talking about GamerGate without mentioning Nathan Grayson is like talking about the ocean without mentioning the beach.
I remember Alahna Pearce made a video talking about her life working at ign and specifically made a point to say "I never witnessed any sort of corruption or shady practices". Oh, honey... the entire idea of the company is corrupt.
0:04 Hey, its not Mark Twen, but Attorney Roger Branigin who quoted "I never argue with a man who buys ink by the barrel"
This is already long before gamergate pops it's rear ugly head. Just look up Jeff Gerstmann, Dan Hsu and Robert Florence they worked in the system until the system screwed them over.
The supposed origins of gamergate always confused me because I always thought that games journalism was thinly veiled advertisements and everyone already knew that. I mean hell, Nintendo power wasn't even thinly veiled. But all the other magazines were totally advertiser owned. Turns out some people didn't and some other people used them to attack women they didn't like. A lot of people like to think that games journalists inject their personal politics, but that doesn't make any sense. It's more along the lines of their job's owner's politics or to create controversy. Then the trolls took gamergate and turned it into a movement to make gamers look like oversensitive manchildren who feel threatened by women in gaming (attacking female developers to the point where it's hard to get them to do interviews even to this day.), and love censoring companies (Beamdog's expansion for baldur's gate being censored due to gamergate trolls going after them.)
You talk about meaningless awards and I think of a somewhat recent WoW video from Taliesin and Evitel where they ranked healers coming into BFA. Spoiler: every class won best at something. It still hyped me up a bit to play Disc in BFA.
I knew we'd come around to totalbiscuit. I saw the recent article. It's such a load of shit. Totalbiscuit as far as I can remember never joined in with the trolls. Granted he was a jerk sometimes, but I agreed with him on many different things, I just didn't agree with him on gamergate, I thought the whole thing was a shitshow to be avoided as much as possible. He seemed to agree with the non-harassment side, while never engaging in harassment, and I don't remember him ever really harassing anyone. People throwing him under the bus now, even after he died, are disgusting.
Though staying out of it might not have helped. I mean ask Liana Kerzner how well staying neutral went. No really. Apparently Gamergate, like everything else on the internet these days is a "you're either with us or against us" thing.
Zaric Zhakaron yes. Occasionally I forget that there's an entire generation of gamers that came around after the ps2 was released even. What is common knowledge to someone gaming through the 90s wouldn't be for them.
"...they can't be allowed to attack..." So basically what you're saying is, journalism is pro-censorship for anything against them?
I think it was when games journalism said gamers are sexist and other shit that fan the flames of GG. Putting identity politics into game reviews, not defending gamers, being high and mighty.
The interwebs is like Elsa and Anna: they just need to talk. But that's never gonna happen, because no one likes being wrong.
GumgumDookuin Kinda like a Shakespeare play, eh?
Like Elsagate?
Zaric Zhakaron Are you part of Project MK Ultra too? What's your beef with Elsagate, sico?
To be clear, I'm not supporting 'Elsagate', because placing both words hold no sense for me. Just call it something else.
That's like exclaiming Churchill's massacres as genocides or as a mere Holocaust. They're not the same thing.
You had one side that wanted to keep games untouched by people's political opinions
You had another side that wanted Whamen not to have big jiggly tiddies
And you had another side who wanted men to stop harrassing women in Video Games....
Well I mean we have games where men run around shirtless with a body that every man would dream of
And let's be real if you're on the internet of any sort, you're bound to be harrassed by someone. For any reason I might add and it most likely doesn't matter what gender you are or where you came from.
^ anyone can be an ass to anyone in the online world
The moral of the story is to always remember that there are no women in video games thus said women cannot logically have been harassed.
Also can we please make it culturally unacceptable for anyone to walk around without a shirt? I'd rather not see that stuff when I'm at the beach.
The side that "wanted men to stop harassing women" isn't even remotely accurate, they just wanted to put women on a pedestal so that they could get more control over the industry. Anita Sarkeesian being a prime example.
TehEpicViking, Darken De la Espada, ThatFalloutGod - Exactly.
As someone who came after gamergate and has never really understood it, I found your explanation of it extremely helpful. Thank you.
I know this is unrelated to the video, but I have a TES lore question. Is it plausible for magic to leave any visible markings (whether they be temporary or permanent) on a caster's hand? It's pretty open-ended; from all I know, there's nothing of the sort mentioned in the lore, but I wanted to get your opinion before I put it in a quest mod.
I don’t comment but want to support so here we are ☝🏼
the sacrificial goat thing reminds me of ign's review of double dragon neon
You claim not to be a very good person, but, at least on this video, you come across as reasonable and somewhat decent. You show empathy for people being harassed, at least to some degree, and is perfectly able to criticise bigotry...
here before the possible ensuing shitstorm
When Zaric is disgusted, offended, etc, you know it's bad
I can not belive gamergame is still alive.
It's not. Just the worst of both sides like to prop up it's corpse for bonus points every now and then.
Zaric you are one of most pragmatic people I know .
Please don't change XD
P.S. KCD....oh boy .It's gonna be good .
"I make liquid vanish from tiny cups"
who needs gaming journalist or any kind of journalist in this age anyway.They can not form of your opinion like they used to do anymore.
#NotYourShield I remember this as well.
I don't think its ok to harass devs who have no control over the price of the they produce
morally correct gaming journalism is not possible, it's most likely true... but, we actually had fair opinion-ism here on youtube prior to 2010~ or so, before companies started hiring youtubers in mass quantities. what can i say... nowadays, basically, any gaming-oriented youtuber who's playing/reviewing only newly released games = new low for humanity.
Wish we had more like you brother. God bless
I swear I hear the Phobos Anomaly theme in the background of this video.
Aaaah, Magazines with cheat codes,... Those were the days...
Pretty behind on stuff like this but I thought gamergate was about political correctness in gaming?
The politics are something the media pushes quite a lot, so the topics happened to intersect fairly often
Lazypackmule ya I can see that
Gg was about fear informátion betwen costumer end média no lias no gander bs end some things more
Unfortunately, groups & movements have been tainted time & time again, regardless of how good the intentions may have been. I may get shit for this, but an example of this would be Black Lives Matter.
Maybe you should have a top hats and monocles episode about this, if you still do the series.
Pretty much all points in this video aligns with what I've heard from people who used to work for IGN.
PS. Your selection of cups confuses me.
We need to fix the culture. It's the only way..........
Hey .. Piper looks pretty good in a leotard.
Damn good 0.o lololol
That laugh at the end made my day lol
hey Zaric, what's your mod list for fallout 4?
I haven't seen that troll face in 300 years
Question; does she take the death threats seriously or does she milk it for what its worth? I suppose it depends on who were are talking about.
Yeah, I knew the answer, they themselves know the answer. Its everyone else that doesnt.
Gamer Gate? Pfft, only Driv3r Gate matters.
Stey Like thed
Driv3r Gate is to gaming scandals what "There are no forests" is to conspiracy theories.
That laughter at the end
I hope Zaric has a long and fulfilling life.
Am I harassing correctly?
Something about this reminds me of Batman.
Oh boy, this comment section is gonna be great!
Hold on, lemme get my popcorn...
Wanna solve media corruption? Pretend they dont exist the less notoriaty and attention they get the less income they get games or any kind of media want 1 thing and revenue that's it
The Triggering has BEGAN!!!
Oof..almost forgot about GG, but the internet never forgets.
P.S:
Zaric. This is what happens when you dont upload for a time, I backlog your old gamergate videos lolololol
7:12😆 I love this laugh.
at least we have ComicsGate.
And it's already fallen apart
I've been anti-Gamergate for a long time and I generally consider myself to be on the social justice side of things when it comes to most political discussions and debate. I didn't agree with everything you said but this video was a very nuanced and balanced take and you showed me a perspective on the issue that I hadn't taken into account before.
On a sidenote, RIP TotalBiscuit. His co-optional podcast helped me through tough times on many occasions.
Check out the website Deep Freeze. It may change your mind. It has a list of every breach of ethics from the major journalists.
@@DoctorEviloply mind that the person you replied to never said game journalism is ethical
+zariczhakaron You said once that totalbiscuit was a boring man, but now you’re saying you like his content?
P.S: I’m not trying to attack u I’m just wondering.
Someone poked the Zaric dragon ;)
So, like automotive journalism.
Love your videos as always.
No echo effect when saying "Gamer Gate". WORST. VIDEO. EVER.
Ok, so Zack, oh wise, if ethically dubious and misanthropic one; gamer gate started out as push back against sleazy Gaming magazines, which has been going on forever. When did it trasnmorgpha into feminist upset over unnaturally sized pixel boobies as a slippery slope to Harvey Wienstien's casting couch verse men children who don't live in their mother's basement upset women were daring play to something as sacredly Alpha Male manly as computer games? That had to be the most comically disturbing part of the whole thing. Or was that all gaslighting from the Gaming Magazines to change the topic from them?
Rest in piace #totalBiscut
Respects..
Troll face in 2018 why?
Cesar Zamudio Gamergate is an outdated topic anyways, so
ahhh yes, the current year meme, i remember my first time saying it to zaric on stream, gl
Good memes never die. A good meme is more than just something absurd that is funny in the moment, it's a self-encompassing expression of a complex idea, which you can use to convey an idea with fewer words, similarly to idioms. New meme chasing culture is stupid, memes have always existed, they just weren't called that before.
cesar zamudio look at this meme lord that i just found
"The internet is filled with harassers. Random people who want to say nasty things to you." "Trump is a buffoon!"
I respect your honesty. One man's harassment is another man's criticism. GamerGate was full of game journalists or other popular figures throwing out accusations, blame, hitpieces, etc., then crying foul of "harassment" when people responded to them. The most famous example is, of course, Anita Sarkeesian (Scamkeesian, as I call her, since she's a professional scam artist). She viciously attacked video games with grossly dishonest propaganda, and any attempt to correct her was seen as harassment. She denied that any women would disagree with her, and focused almost exclusively on her male detractors to push a narrative of "misogyny." Her wildly successful Kickstarter was never even half finished.
@@RealMarcFoxx in what way is anita sarkeesian a scam artist? she made a fundraising campaign to create a certain amount of videos about women in games. She made more videos than the amount she promised. I've never seen anyone substantiate the scam accusation, and it just makes it seem like you think it's a scam because the videos are about something you dislike.
@@nachfullbarertrank5230 She never finished her series. She did less than half.
Very logical thoughts
I was one of those naive people who thought gamergate could accomplish something. But it became a cancerous environment and a meme and it felt like the origin point was drowned out by all the arm flailing on both sides. There were still people who tried to keep it focused and actually did some good, but the damage was done.
Huh, well this was interesting and informative.
Cool.
Game has gameplay; 7/10 -- IGN
Drunk Zaric bestest Zaric
Ok so here is the thing that still bothers me after all of this: most people who i would consider gamers know that games journalism is fake and holds as much weight as trumps tweets. So how does it still exist? Who is the audience if a good chunk of your intended audience knows you're a fraud and therefore doesnt give you the time of day
Joe Alexander why would a war profiteer or russian oligarchs care about games journalism? My point is that the people who care enough to look up a review of a game know not to look at gaming journalism. At least to me, that fact makes the industry seem pointless.