This is NOT a Review of the Sovol SV08
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Yes this was a one take, unscripted handheld video with minimal editing. But i wanted to talk more about this.
ALso, i forgot to mention in this video, the entire top component of the printer frame was shipped incorrectly assembled and i had to rebuild it the right way on stream for assembly
Its a 600$ machine, it shouldnt need to be mucked about with for it to function properly out of the box. Also, in regards to the injection molded parts, there all single component parts, so if a bit is mis aligned, you cant really fix it, the whole assembly needs to be replaced. and no, most voron mods and parts are not compatible since the extrusions are a different style
You realize they release the files so you can print your own, right? I mean, I know you are a Bambi fanboy, but you could at least do ten seconds of research before spouting nonsense. Cheers.
What's a Bambi fanboy?
@@Jstthts Can you link me the files for the sv08 then?
Also, the parts are designed with injection molding in mind, NOT FDM and i guarantee there will be issues if trying to "just print a replacement part"
Also, bambi fanboy? LOLWUT
ALSO ALSO
You shouldnt have to replace components out of the box on a brand new 600$ printer
this at 600$ ... Troodon 2.0 Pro is wicked good value, as is K1 Max.
👍You’re absolutely right, Nero3D, and this is exactly why we valued getting your professional opinion on the machine before launch. We are working to resolve these issues, most of them software and profiles, but also the hardware issues you pointed out, well before customers get the final versions in their hands. Thank you for your honest feedback, as it helps us put out the best product for our end users.❤
This is a good comment, although you say the hardware and software issues will be fixed well before customers receive them so with these going on sale next thursday, how is that going to happen? What is the lead time on the first batch once sales are live next week?
can you please add UBL to your firmware klipper?
please make it as silent as possible
Plz make a sovol sv08 mini based on the voron 0, i will literally buy both of them
=)
My take lines up with yours. This idea that pre-ordering a printer, being the beta testers, fixing the issues and then praising the company has to stop. Finish them before selling or even advertising.
Update to add to this from Nero talking in Discord. THERE IS NO BEARING SHIMS. Also that crooked pin was actually just a pin that was literally too short to even attach on the bottom and top
@sovol you better fix this prior to shipping the first batch out..
The 3d printer "race to the bottom" usually means that you'll get the bottom of quality. The real focus should be put into the "race to the middle". Something in between a Bambu Carbon X1and an Ender 3.
The only problem with that is not everyone can afford that. There should be an appliance equivalent to phones: no matter how much you have there should be at least something for you
You wont get the middle from China. Its not a race to the bottom, its a tactic to drive out all competition.
@@nigelbassett3791That's what the new Ender V3 printers are for. Or hell, even the Qidi Q1 Pro. It's $470 even after their "early bird price" countdown expired yesterday. Those printers are a middle ground. This thing is just a disappointment riding on the Voron reputation as a sales tactic.
Unfortunately I think BBL already has that locked down with the P1 series
Unfortunately I think BBL already has that locked down with the P1 series
I mean, yeah - it's a manufactured machine, so some of your criticism is valid. However, tinkering to solve small problems on this machine can't be compared to spending 3x as much money and 50 hours building a voron. In that regard, this machine seems absolutely brilliant for what it is. Okay, so yours had a faulty bearing stack. Ask for a replacement, replace it, and done?
But then how do you get views if you just do the logical thing and use the warranty to get replacements for problem parts?
I appreciate your efforts to keep us informed of issues like this. I know for myself, I'm still interested. For the price point, I'm happy to work on it.
This contrasts very interestingly with NextLayer's video - in that he acknowledges some of the same weak points but he's coming at the printer as a pre-production sample being sent out for feedback, much like you've described the Magneto-X. So it's intriguing that the communication was different for you.
I do think leaving off the panels was a good idea. Bambu did their enclosed ABS-and-hotter printer first and then offered a discounted machine aimed at PLA/PETG, and I feel like the perception of that was super negative. For the first - what was it, a year? - anyway, the period when only the X1 and X1C existed, so many people were whinging about how many hoops one had to jump through to print PLA on the machines (that were, of course, never intended to be PLA workhorses). And then when the P1S was put out for those users, everyone whinged about how it was "just an unfinished X1." In this case, Sovol is being upfront: here's the printer, it's set up for PLA and PETG like most of you use, if you *want* to print with ABS you can make your own side panels or we'll sell you some for an extra bill.
Also, I *really* think that any printer shipped today needs to have an all-in-one nozzle and throat. While I can see the value in wishing for a standard to emerge for that, I also am well aware there isn't one yet, and so everyone is going to try their own path. Personally I fell E3D ought to just drop the cost of liscencing the Revo down to a bare minimum and try and push to have that become the new standard, but that's not actually my decision to make. In any case, the whole "screw together three different parts that are all made from different metals and hope that it's tight enough to not leak all over the place" V6 style hotends are horrible and dead tech and need to go away toute de suite.
So I disagree with you that those two traits are bad things and "not finished." The software issues, though... that's not so good.
I mentioned on NextLayer's video that I was disappointed that a company selling 3d printers wasn't using 3d printing to produce plastic parts (and at the same time help push large-scale additive manufacturing), and your issue with the bearing stack makes this doubly so. If you're able to get in contact with another review/user/whomever, I'm very curious as to how wide-spread that issue is.
Anyway, really cool to hear the perspective of someone who's thoroughly versed in Vorons!
If your gonna sent a printer, thats basically trying to copy a voron, to someone who runs a youtube channel thats features a lot of 3dp content, and who is also on the voron team itself, im gonna judge it like a voron
and it comes up lacking in pretty much every field. There are some nice points, the way they did the firmware is ok, and the servicability is good too. BUT
its not a voron
The resemblance is just cosmetic, no parts are compatible, the frame and extrusions are different profiles, it is its own thing, other than being a flying gantry corexy, it has nothing in common.
As for the panels, vorons are basically known AS ABS printers, thats what there designed to do, and for how much Sovol has plastered the name VORON on their maketeing and even box for the printer, it doesn even COME with a ABS/ASA profile included, just pla. and now, anyone who wants panels needs to pay for them, (and pay for seperate shipping) for a couple bucks worth of acrylic sheets with holes in em to enclose this.
I disagree about nozzles and throat all needing to be one piece, the system has worked fine on quality machines for ages and combining all of the parts is just wasteful every time you need to replace it
@@user-zx4vq4uk9c For a very, very long time 3d printing has only been accessible to people who knew how to *build* a 3d printer. One of the biggest parts of this was the nozzle system. I spent nearly as much on replacement hotends for my Ender-5 as I did on the printer itself because getting all that crap properly butted together is REALLY REALLY HARD.
I'm glad for you that you've managed to get good at a really hard thing, but pretending it isn't really hard just because you've learnt to do it is a disservice to both yourself and everyone who *hasn't* mastered it.
Making 3D printers available to the masses means eliminating pain points, and the V6 style nozzle is a massive pain point. I bought an X1C specifically because of the all-in-one nozzle design, and while I'm happily upgrading to a Revo to improve the nozzle swap and cross-platform capability, the system is orders of magnitude more reliable and I will never, ever, ever, buy a printer with a multipart nozzle ever again.
So now the only question left - and neither of us have data on this, of course, so this part is, I admit, all just opinion and speculation - the question is, are more potential cutomers like you, or are they like me? E3D, Prusa, Bambu, and now Sovol seem to think more people would rather have the single part nozzle.
@@CanuckCreator I don't disagree with anything here, I just think that from Sovol's perspective, as they try to sell this printer to people who have heard of Vorons but aren't actually interested in *building* a Voron, making the default printer optimised for PLA and making the ABS capacity an "upgrade" is better marketing than making the default printer optimised for ABS and making PLA a "downgrade."
@@CanuckCreator there is the option to buy the printer with enclosure included. also I heard they work on an open source ams enraged rabbit kind of multi material. That would benefit the community in my opinion. Then again your comment was 2 weeks ago, dont know if that was known already. I agree though that they should have kept the printer a little longer in the oven and prepared for release.
Finally a reviewer that's not afraid to speak! Seems like every other video on this printer is: 1-great printer 2- half price voron 3- here is my affiliate link...
Thank you for not reviewing this printer.
This video was such a breath of fresh air. Thanks for the no bullshit attitude, honesty and candour!
Thanks I really appreciate your review
Thanks for the video, it was pretty much what I wanted to know.
when will they stop being so busy with having to be first on the market with their new products. in the end, it is our money that contributes to their existence. no customers no business , that's it.
again it depends on groups and people to have to make mod improvements and more to make things work properly. no names are mentioned, it is more or less all manufacturers.
I'm looking forward to the day I can buy a machine that they really put sweat and tears into to deliver a good product and not just go after people's wallets and delicate souls who just can't stand for something new and sparkling. You are as always honest and straight to the point and tell it like it is. 👍
Been done. It's called Prusa 😁
@@rukidding7588 Prusa is outdated garbage with unpolished/incomplete firmwares. I'll give you a break by not talking about price tag.......
@@cybergnetwork588 you're entitled to you opinion. I disagree. My MK4 has worked flawlessly, and the firmware is so good I'm not even tempted to convert it to Klipper. I haven't seen any other printer that can make a full bed 1 layer print with no issues.
I'll give you a break and not talk about the plural of firmware.
Is there not an opensource design for load-cells ALS? Or is it incompatible with klipper? All the inductive or touch based sensors will always have leveling issues and offset calibration and I'm really confused why I haven't seen a voron kit/knock-off with a load-cell based automatic leveling system
Great video, felt the exact same way about my SK1, decent hardware base but terrible software and QA with endless troubleshooting.
These points are good to bring up because these are the exact same issues first buyers will encounter, sure they can always fix it down the road but currently thats not the state of things.
The issue about the bare sheet metal and the wire run reminds me of how the SV06 Plus (and regular?) had nonexistent strain relief for the bed heater cable
I will say I have a late model of the sv06+ and I have nothing to complain about with it besides typical bedslinger issues. They fixed up the strain relief for whatever batch I got mine from. It seems like they take a little bit of a spacex style approach to printers. Make something good enough, get feedback, fix it later. Is it a perfect model? Eh... No. Is it working? Maybe if they make that sv08 better and more solid out of the box
this is an honest review that i appreciate!!
And this is why i like your printer "not reviews" honest and no nonsense. Saves me the time and money.
So did they send you a pre production unit or a production unit? I missed the stream
It's supposed to be a production machine.
I’ll be interested to see what Sovol says in response to these issues, I really hope they either have a plan to remediate most of these issues, especially the bearing issues
I have a SV06 plus. The PSU was jamming FM-radios in a 10 m radius until I replaced it. There seemed to be no electrical filtering in place. Also, no power factor correction (which must be installed by European law). It also jammed its own control board with the PSU, which therefore randomly malfunctioned (crashes, freezes, random z-offset which buried the nozzle in the bed, wrong temperatures (unless -400 C sounds right to you)) ... Some time later the power switch melted. Oh, and the “temperature-controlled fan” was a full-on joke in the PSU; it is directly connected to +24 V. Maybe they meant something like “off when molten”.
The bearings were shipped prefilled with gravel (okay, not gravel, just ungreased, so disassemble it was). The cooling fan for the mainboard only runs if the part cooling fan is on. Better not print something without cooling.
I'm interested in their response to the above video as well.
@@39XenonD that’s very interesting, maybe that explains all my issues with my SV06 Plus. It stopped being able to correct for the bed warp after the first few prints
@gamingwithsparton This was also an issue, a new PSU fixed it. The switching noise messes with the mainboard / screen which will lead to random behavior.
@@39XenonD Strange. I wonder if that was related to the issue I saw with my SV06's. I have 2 SV06 and 5 SV06 Plus on racks adjacent to each other, and when I converted all of them to klipper, none of the SBCs would manage to stay connected to the MCU as soon as any significant power draw started. I reached out to Sovol for help and after trying the basics like new cables, I ended up 'fixing' the issue by installing ferrite cores on the USB cable. Maybe I'll throw a spare Meanwell on one and see what happens.
@@39XenonD maybe it’s time to revisit my SV06 then, thanks for bringing awareness to this issue!
Was debating getting the other 90% Voron, the formbot Troodon 2.0 Pro, I will be curious to see what Sovol dose with pricing to make this worth the added flaws.
i hope Sovol fix this if not i just hope the Community gets behind this and just make this awesome and a affordable Voron clone ill come back in a year and see how its doing :D
Same, the printer has potential, It does quite a bit "right" it just isnt quite done and isnt ready for review. Hope they sort it out.
@@CanuckCreator Agreed, on paper this one looked good but Ill wait till V2 and see if they fix anything.
@@CanuckCreator in the Sovol Facebook group they posted that they sent you a beta machine, not a final product.
@@robhall5622 Is that from SOVOL themselves, or just some random dude with no proof?
Cus im looking at my entire email history with SOVOL and nowhere in the communications did they say they were sending me a beta machine, or pre-production or anything else of the sort
"Hey, our new printer comes out on X date, do you want to test and review it"
-Sure, send it over, ill do an unboxing livestream and maybe a review afterwards
"ok, heres the tracking number
So ya, no clue what buddy on the SOVOL facebook group is yappin about
@@CanuckCreator ah no, apologies I thought it was a Sovol staffer who commented but it's another creator, someone called Roar Ree. No idea how they know what you were or werent told.
Wow! Very good analysis! Subscribed!
What is the quality of the heated bed, is it straight or curved because the material was skimped on again?
Can i use the 2.4 stealthburner on this printer if i can ill buy this and mod it with the e3d hotend
Its open source, make your own modification and post it for folks, or wait until someone else does! Anythings possible
That misaligned pin is the only real issue i see. But that's a big issue. Klipper side things can all be changed and i think for the price point that's OK. But the physical hardware needs to be 100%.
The pin in this pre-production unit turned out to be too short. Since it is very easily servicable, he just replaced the pin with a correct size one, a 2 minute fix. No drama.
With the Sovol SV06 plus it was a bit like this as well, there the connector of the bed wasn't designed properly. They did fix it fast however and my pre-ordered SV06 plus came with the fix. So hopefully this happens again now. It did create a lot of uncertainty under early buyers though.
So yeah, why don't a lot of companies ship really finished products to reviewers?
I liked the SV06 series tbh, it did its job well for a cheap entry level machine.
Don't forget to mention the dry bearings. Mine sounded (never powered it on though) like they filled the bearings with gravel when they were moved. Great out-of-the-box experience to first disassemble and grease the printer before doing anything else. Was this fixed later? Mine came with some kind of strain relief on the bed but also Atacama-level dry bearings. Oh, and at least my PSU was a full-on joke.
This. They seem to be able to fix stuff and produce in a very fast manner. So i suppose we can have faith.
so if i want no hustle 3d printer for arround 600/700 Eur, Bambu P1S is still the king ?
atm, its a solid option at that pricepoint
Size is a bit limiting for some though
I would say the K1C also is king, especially when wanting an enclosed printer. It was on sale these days for like 560 €. Not the 399 € of that K1 some months back.
In Germany the P1S sells for at least 749 € plus 8 € shipping. So this still is a good deal more expensive of that 600 € pricemark.
200 € more for the same basic functions is something to consider.
@@hassosigbjoernson5738 ordered SV08 yesterday for 444 EUR as super early bidder, should come in month and a half .... could have ordered it with extra nozzle set. will see then how it goes. Hoping to see more polished firmware in that time :)
Great "Not" Review of this machine. Was so close to bypassing a Voron Build and moments like this these make me realize a Voron is a MUST. No shortcut to a Perfect Printer. We have to Make the Printer we want to print with. We will never get the full "Everything I wanted" Printer Without going Voron. Honest and Informative.
Was the mainsail update code actually removed or were the update stuff just not setup in the mainsail configuration?
Most likely just not setup in the moonraker.cfg file
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Lol I can't wait you to review the futur phrozen arco. I prepare the popcorn
I WILL get one just to fiddle with it until I get decent prints. And I hope to get it for the cheapest price to donate the difference to VORON Team. Thanks for what you guys do and HAVE done for this community and industry.
Don't be too mad about the quality of this machine. It's too cheap to be as good as a 2.4. simple. Take it for what it is.
Thanks for your opinions and insights regarding Sovol Marketing. I actually thought exactly that when I saw all the ads.
Sad. I really want to like this. Might still get it depending on Sovols response.
Thank you a lot! I have seen plenty videos these days. It seems you are the only honest "non reviewer".
I totally agree with you: please stop selling unfinished products. Till people accept unfinished crap, nothing will change.
Stop buying it. Pretty easy😜
"Companies should stop relying on users" I said this about the jamming issues with the Bambu AMS and how there is not permanent fix, just user mods, on the Bambu Lab subreddit and got excoriated..... Thanks for the validation!.
Issue is, we are all to blame. The demand for lower and lower prices forces companies to do things on the cheap and, I suspect, things they would rather not do, but have no choice.
@@rukidding7588 fair point, for the longest time all I could afford was cheap printers, never could afford prusa printer. Then when I could afford it I went with bamboo
@rukidding7588 Voron, Ratrig, HevORT, VZbot, and even Prusa users proof otherwise. The low quality, low cost machines are a choice by the manufacturers. It's the only way they know to compete and differentiate. Hence why Sovol just cloned a V2.4 instead of innovated.
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Very well said Nero, well underlined feedback to this printer
Nice, thanks for the realtalk, refreshing in light of most CCs just shilling for the product without going in depth. Saved me some money there!
did they change it to a pressure sensor instead of a inductive now ? the new one says pressure sensor
Appreciate your objective honesty on it!
At least they didn't put the spool holder on the freaking back, probably by way of not really having a back to mount it to. That's been driving me completely insane lately. It's like companies want it to look pretty in an influencer's studio but don't care about the actual user experience.
That og spool holder is only needed for the first prints, isn't it?! Because you can print your own since this is a 3D printer!? You can print one with bearings or simply use a dry box. I don't see why a simple plastic part would be anything noticeable on a 3d printer.
Just make your own! That's in core what 3d printing is all about, isn't it!?
@hassosigbjoernson5738 Of course you cam, and we wind up doing it. The enclosed ones usually have filament feeding setups specifically designed for filament coming in at weird angles in the back though. You can design/print an alternative that will work with it, but it winds up being klugey, which wouldn't be needed if the design wasn't dumb and difficult to use in the first time.
Nice “first look”!
Half assed as they’re rushing to get something out to minimise lost market share.
They could have waited 2 months and made way more though
I don't want a 3D printers to be my hobby. I want a 3D printer as a tool to work on my actual imterests, but this just solidifies the fact that I really just need to build a Voron (or similar) and deal with the time commitment.
A commercial printer that satisfies my requirements just doesn't exist so far as I can tell, at least until you get above a $5000 price point (which I absolutely can't justify).
I'm limping along with the printers I have, and that's how it'll stay until companies put more effort into a reliable, large-format, printer that can handle CF PC without basically modding it into a whole new printer.
Trying to pick a no-major-compromise printer to buy these last two weeks has had me literally wanting to bang my head into a wall. I don't have the time to build a Voron and I can hardly find any real info about the newest Troodon 2.0 Pro. I guess at this point I'm just gonna get the P1S which is almost a year old at this point..
My belt on my SV06+ is starting to get chewed up too
Had the same problem, some fiddling with the idler pulley might get it into a semi-stable position where it won’t scrape on the side of the idler. Move the printhead and see if the belt is slightly twisting on the roller during a change in direction. Fiddle until it doesn't twist any more. For me, moving the threaded screw that attaches the pulley some fraction of a mm inside the boring hole did the trick.
Also, do you experience crashes, freezes, wrong temperature readings or erratic behavior while setting z-offset sometimes? Just curious since I definitely had problems which were fixed with an upgraded PSU.
I have several Sovol printers and i Agree they need to polish this new printer before selling it am new to Klipper but been building kits for 3 years now and i saw all the issues you mentioned.
I expected this Machine to run like My Adventurer M5, but I can see from several videos the Flash Forge M5 is a much better buy.
I got an SV06 from Sovol when it came out Fall 2022 since it was a decent looking clone of an open source prusa i3 and I was a little frustrated spending a good amount of time getting start up g code working while getting numbers in prusa slicer dialed in for it. Since it was a prusa clone, it should of had a prusa slicer config file already done but nope. I sold that printer to a friend with the configs I made then I got the sv06+ since it was larger but once again, I had to dial in the print numbers and start up gcode over the span of 10-15 different things being sliced and printed.
Now after seeing this video of the rushed sv08 is, its tempting to spend my $$ on the Bambu Lab A1 with AMS since i know that will have dialed in configs and the printer will have better self testing/calibration features.
I have always treated sovol’s as kit printers because of the price. Had some issues with my SV06plus and customer support sent replacement parts, also created QoL mods, and made my own orcaslicer profiles for the community.
I help out a ton with the Sovol community for most issues from sv06 through sv07 and was suppose to be in sv08 beta test group but didn’t remind them until they ran out of test units. Was hoping their beta testers actually caught all these issues especially the half bake macros but from this, it appears that is not the case.
I guess only good thing is the first batch of units will be heavily discounted like normal and they will have to ship out a bunch of replacement parts, never ending cycle.
The paying customers are the beta testers. Terrible practice that the community keeps apologizing for because of a few currency units.
Got anylink for the sv06+ orca profile that you made? Thanks!
@@TomsRepairshis profiles are on printables. I believe he uses 3d print demon macros to make it written
wonder if you would consider a how to video setting up the sv06 plus with print demon and your profiles?
The thing that potentially interests me with this printer is if we can do away with all that proprietary bullshit and mod it with open source Voron components. How you can call something “open source” when you’re fitting custom and proprietary components doesn’t fly with me.
This is why you should do 3D printer reviews. Only a handful of creators are not fanboys or paid advertisers for the printer manufacturers. I almost spent my hard-earned money on this printer. Thanks
I also don't understand the injection molded parts. For the hotend cover, meh.. Ok. But the others? Even with few generation before, like my Ender5 those parts are cnc machined parts. Is it really about cutting budget, or is it about weight? Injection molding are't cheap neither. So i am a bit confused here.
"Is it really about cutting budget, or is it about weight?" ... Both.
"Injection molding are't cheap neither." ... it is with the right amount of parts.
Just look at Bambu Lab: they used their custom frame in like 4 printers. The only reason: costs.
thank you for being honest about this machine. the only video i had seen is from a fella i see as a shill in the community. his clear goal is to grow a platform and his video's vagueness on price was strange
Nice review 🙂
Are you relaying this information to Sovol so issues can be addressed ?
Yep, email with all the details from the stream+more was sent over to my contact
@@CanuckCreator outstanding Thank you. I plan on getting one. Not a big enough content creator yet to get sent one lol ..one day
but it is still looking good, for its price point, will this printer be actually amazing in few months after launch when community really digs in ?
Although they shouldn’t have to, if the community rallies around it you could indeed have a pretty good printer I think. Make ABS STL files as an option to replace/modify injection molded parts, fix the broken things in klipper (and maybe add a pi), and honestly maybe just mount a stealthburner on the thing and you have a half decent V2.4 alternative. That said, there are Voron BOM in a box kits that are probably similarly priced and won’t have these problems. If this thing goes on sale later on in the 350-450 price range it could be pretty great. At $500+ it has to compete with the P1P and P1S and I’m not sure it worth this unless you NEED the print volume.
Great catch on the pin in the rear bearing stack! I wholeheartedly agree with you when you say that it needs many things to be corrected.
I think it depends who you are... I gotta say if I had the space, for 600 bucks this would be a cool starting point to upgrade from. If you have a single DIY bone in your body, this thing seems like a good value.
and for just a bit more you can source a budget voron kit that wont have the issues trying to modify a proprietary system to "work" has
Would love to have you recommend a budget Voron kit.
The Phrozen Arco has a single Z motor for the Gantry.
This product has the unfinished manufacturing quality.
Creality is Creality.
Would appreciate some guidance for affordable parts that could let me build a decent 2.4
@@SKPhoto816 Last I checked on pricing Siboor had the cheapest reputable kit and the quality seemed good. I haven't built one but a kit is just a starting point anyways, you're going to mod it, because ultimately you don't just build a Voron, you build YOUR Voron.
@@SKPhoto816 MagicPhoenix sells a 2.4r2 350 kit for 699$ with shipping to the US being 80 $, they seem to be the most loved cheap Vorons.
@@aberryman06 - I have a Siboor V0.2 and I'm very happy with it. But you ain't buying a Siboor V2.4 350 for less than double what this SV08 is selling for. And then you've got a box of parts, not a 1 hour assembly. Which is fine by me. But this SV08 was gonna be the printer for people that couldn't or didn't want to scratch build a 2.4 or couldn't afford a real Voron 2.4 kit.
The QIDI Q1 Pro is in the same shape. Bed crash issues on print cancel/restart, hotend heat break clog issues, runout sensor issues, probe thermal issues, runout sensor not getting enabled after a reboot, etc. Customer support is fine, but only being able to use the printer because customer support is responsive is...not good.
Thank you for honest feedback, was watching your stream and god laughed when Z pillars didn't align with top.
Great review 😂
There's no "we're in the future" when it comes to this kind of products. All these Chinese manufacturers expect their users to be testers too, because they do very little to no testing themselves. I'm 100% convinced that they know about the issues, but they don't care too much, because they released everything open source, expecting the community to fix the issues (and they will very likely fix them eventually). It's our fault because we buy products like this and thus we allow this situation to carry on. Then again, we buy products like this since we don't really have options that are not insanely expensive for no good reason or don't expect you to be a tech guru and build the printer yourself pixel by pixel. I really don't see this situation changing anytime soon.
I hear what you’re saying, but I’ve made way less that cost more, work amazingly so I still think I’m going to get one.
Thanks for being critical, we need that.
That being said, i will most likely buy this, despite just acquiring Troodon 2,0 Pro, and being REALLY frustfrated with it -- but that's a PEBKAC type of issue, as a Voron it's stupid easy, but as i expected more pleasant out of box experience tbh.
that being said THIS IS PREPRODUCTION unit.
What's going on with your Troodon? Asking because I've been thinking about getting one and I'm very interested to know why you're frustrated.
Maybe this is the tinkerer in me but couldn't someone (Sovol or someone in the community) design a printable grommet for the wires? I know you're opening up the power supply which has capacitors and mains voltage so some people would be wary of messing with it but I think those could be installed from the factory on units that haven't shipped yet.
I'm glad someone is calling out these companies for releasing these printers half baked and rushed. And like you said, most reviews are list some specs, do a print or two and tell you to go buy it, faults and all.
Thanks for making this video. Its getting really annoying seeing a new printer come out constantly and they all have similar issues, arent tested, miss key features, or have some Achilles heel. How hard is it to mount the pin and bearing stack with two points of contact for example? Is it that much more expensive? The motion system of a 3d printer is ummmm well probably the most important thing to get right?... Come on companies.
Yeah that's pretty damning and honestly what I expected after my experience with the SV06. You've got to roll up your sleeves to get it working the way you want. That's fine for a sub $200 printer, but for $600+ F that. I have huge list of think i'd rather spend that amount of money that wouldn't require me to put a ton of effort in.
good points, but i am seasick now!
Is first layer even an issue any more?
I'm looking forward to one of these printer manufacturers selling a printer with Klipper installed but with no config file. No one can complain about not rubbing the silicone pad to clean the nozzle when no gcode macros are included out of the box.
It seems insane that a company would make a printer like this without panels and choose not to include some easy system for attaching panels.
It actually has the setup for panels out of the box, pre-tapped holes all.
Just nope, panels at a later date (for an extra sale+shipping costs)
Thanks for the revi... er... PSA.
No worries Jhonathan from The Next layer will be with Sovol 😂😂 this is a remarkable printer , a budget printer 😂😂
One slight correction on the voron homing procedure. First difference is that a stock voron uses a z endstop for homing, the sv08 uses a virtual endstop, the probe. Second, the z endstop does nothing, its useless without plugins. Probe results override z endstop values, so lets say your z endstop says you are at negative 10, the printer would move up to 0 + initial layer height to start printing. Meanwhile according to your probe the bed is right here at negative 10, so you start printing at negative 10. This is why the stock start gcode didn't call or create mesh. Just a home, qgl, rehome z, start print, so you always start at the same height regardless of z offset values. Unfortunately this was only true if you used a same thickness build plate, as you never measured the build plate. A proper use for the z endstop only came with automatic z offset plugins. Unfortunately these plugins force you to use the endstop as endstop and not a offset switch, i personally would prefer to use the probe for homing, better when the bed/gantry is severely tilted after maintenance
You dont need plugins to use both a Z switch for the nozzle for z offset and a probe for meshing and QGL
That can be done in a normal klipper printer.cfg file and has been the norm with the voron v2 series for half a decade
@@CanuckCreator it doesn't adjust the z offset. Probe values have a higher priority than z endstop values. Lets say your z endstop is calibrated and 0 is actual 0. Your probe trigger drifts 1mm (exaggerated of course) when switching from pla to abs. You do your normal homing and leveling (home all, qgl/z tilt, home z again) and afterwards a bed mesh. On abs your probe results match your z endstop results, no issues there. But then you print pla, your trigger distance increases on your probe due to the lower ambient temperatures, your first layer now prints in air. You can even home z another time after the bed mesh, it will still print in air. The probe trigger points are still at z=1, homing doesn't change that. If it wouldn't be that case, wouldn't that render the z offset plugins useless? Also where would the endstop based value be applied on the mesh? I personally haven't seen anything of that in the klipper docs.
@@kilianlindlbauer8277 Heres a stock voron v2 profile with a z switch for offset if you wanna take a look at it yourself github.com/VoronDesign/Voron-2/blob/Voron2.4/firmware/klipper_configurations/Octopus/Voron2_Octopus_Config.cfg
@@CanuckCreator yep, no automatic z offset shenanigans. No bed mesh, so the endstop is what counts. Nozzle height will always be the same, given you build plate has the same thickness. But as said, dramatically changes when using a bed mesh. Sure, you could probe one, test print, save probe z offset and reprobe and store the mesh and use the saved one and your z height will also be the same regardless of what distance between probe trigger and nozzle you have, but as soon as you need a new mesh, or even probe at a different temperature, you have to redo your probe z offset by hand. The sovol should calculate the z probe offset automatically, but since it uses a inductive probe, you still probably need to adjust it when you use a different build plate.
I wish I could buy just the mechanical parts and frame and build mine
You can, it's called a Voron kit.
Thanks for this quick summary of initial findings. This is very valuable. Otherwise we'll be stuck with just youtube salesmen pushing unfinished products to the masses.
the bambu's have same belt problem, but can't u adjust it on this printer?
I love your sincerity and cleary!!! Go Nero3D go!!!
I'm not seeing where they claimed an endorsement by voron. But I'm only looking at their web site.
That metal plate should be Earthed IMHO
We are past Ender 3 clone times, we are now in the age of half-baked Voron clones 🤗 Third as good as a real Voron for half the price, heck, they don't even use shims between bearings 🤣🤣 For those who are thinking about this as first printer, please don't. Just get "middle of the line" Voron kit from vendor if price is an issue (yes it will be little bit pricey), but you will have real Voron with panels... And if you can't print ABS, there is PIF and the quality is beyond amazing
It feels like they want to sell you a cheap "incomplete" machine so they can sell you all the upgrades later. Like home video games, they take a loss on the console and then make all their money on the games.
Between Sovol's claims of donating, and using the Voron name in their marketing, just not getting good feelings about this one. It's them yet again just copying someone else's work.
pretty much china 101
"It's them yet again just copying someone else's work." ... which is the basic idea of Rep Rap! That's in essence what DIY 3d printing is all about.
And it's the same thing, all the other do as well! Take Bambu Lab: they copied Voron, Klipper, Prusa in many ways without giving anything back, not even acknowledge the work of Klipper or the Voron team. Within days they were called out with their Bambu Studio and admitted they took the best of PrusaSlicer.
But this SV08 in contrast to a BL X1 is quiet affordable (which contributes to accessibility). It's repairable, mod-able, reproduceable... For me that are very good steps in the right direction. Of course you can get better machines for more money. That has always been the case.
But after BL has woken up some competitors ... it's a very good sign more and more "Voron like" machines come out.
6 years ago you could get a well working Prusa for like 1000 bucks or an "i3 clone" like an Ender 3, i3 mega or similar for 250 - 350 bucks. It's good to have both options.
And since you cannot just buy a Voron, unpack it and start printing ... those open Klipper machines like K1, K2, SV08, Ender V3, SV07 and more are a really good base line for people starting with this hobby and not wanting "just a printer to print". Those still can buy Bambu Lab or even Prusa.
@@hassosigbjoernson5738 honestly i used to also just want a plug and play printer, but i made the big step to instead buy a voron 2.4 R2.
sure, it took me like a week to assemble and additional costs for tools, but this thing, once built, is literally "flip on and print" without any fails so far that weren't caused by user settings.
this thing hasn't been a headache at all and seeing my cousin with his ender 3, i merely showed him my results and the fact i print at nearly 6 times his speeds, he's also now looking into voron.
surely the price tag for a kit sucks initially, but worth every penny IMO while buying a "plug and play" printer, you often spend more money on modding it to get results like a voron or replacing parts because extremely warped bed or crappy extruder or bent lead screws etc.
It's open source. It's not copying if it's open. Jesus Christ people.
At least Sovol KEEPS their stuff open-source. I got no issues whatsoever and I'm excited to see it's final version. No idea if it'll be any good or worth it, but you definitely can't knock them for creating an open source design FROM an open source design.
Bambu Labs meanwhile takes open source stuff and then makes it proprietary, and gives nothing back.
I knew this was coming. Lol
Thanks, a really good and detailed "not a review" :) This saves me from buying... it was very tempting due to the price.
Just wait, I am sure some issues will be addressed and there will be "Pro" or "Plus" version.
Let’s not forget the sv05. Not corexy, however never really fixed the hotend/extruder issues and it faded away like the ender 7 did. Sadly the ender 6 had a lot of potential but was no love in the long run.
The sv05 was just an ender 5 clone, and creality making the 6 and 7 arent really relevant to sovol
@@user-zx4vq4uk9c I respectfully disagree. The sv05 was not an exact clone. The hotend was completely Sovol and not like the ender 5 pro. Also Sovol improved some areas where the ender 5 fell a little short. Sovol and Creality are Pretty close BFFs with most of Sovols printers until the SV06/7 being made mainly from Creality parts. Even the SV04 was a Creality main board for idex. The ender 6 and 7 were just another example of a company that had a product and left it behind. Nero was correct in stating that the days of “we will do 85% of the work and the user community will fix what we didn’t” is very true. As I said I want the SV08 to succeed, however if what Nero received was a production unit. No thanks right now anyways.
it would help if you put your camera on stand or something, watching the shaky cam it was making me sea sick.
yeah, the halfbaked printers are frustrating. The only sovol I tend to recommend at the moment is the SV06.
Sometimes you get what you pay for. Cheap will often be cheap.
Well, it also has it's problems. Mine for example ist not capable of a perfect first layer and believe me I tried everything. So currently my SV06 is only good for smaller parts.
@@KarlLoncarek Never said it was perfect. certainly better than this pile of junk. It's also solidly in the cheap territory, so mileage may vary.
The Arco is half-baked too, and the K2 is in a dubious state given Creality's history of hardware issues...
It's really surprising that these companies are having such issues with design and prototyping when the solutions are already out there, and they have so much previous experience.
It's like they just don't understand what it means to make a consumer product.
The technology is changing, and their customers are no longer interested in dozens of hours of tinkering to troubleshoot issues and ensure the reliability of $1K machines.
Its cus they dont, many of these companies engineers/designers just work for the companies and are not actually involved the the hobby, its "just a job" and i need to make the thing and ship it.
@@CanuckCreator, I am a self employed mechanical engineer. I have done design work on ship engines and steering machines. Air turbines. Furniture. Patent engines etc. etc. These are not my hobbies, and it's just a job. And my job is to perform as well as I can and make sure the products is as good as possible. I have never met an engineer that doesn't feel a responsibility to make the best, safest and long lasting product as possible. The engineers are not at fault. It is the company management that set unrealistic deadlines and decide to take a chance and ship an unfinished product.
Watching the stream & hearing the price for the first time had me suspicious, its too cheap for what its supposed to be. Will juat have to watch if anything positive happens with it
ill pay shipping Ayyy!
To be fair, You should have advised viewers at the start, that you are a Member of the Voron Team.
Just so your bias doesn't show through (which sadly it did)
Bias or experienced point of reference? I don't see bias here, he clearly wanted to like it but the issues are the issues, you can't bias your way into out of the box hardware failures and unfinished software.
I think all the reviews on this machine are heavily influenced by what the measuring stick is. Such as, how does it stack up to a standard voron? Vs, how does it stack up to a standard voron when taking into consideration the price and time spent to build said voron? Thinking about it from those 2 ways yields 2 very different reviews, as is being seen by all the reviews currently out. Personally, I think the voron purists are missing the mark
Thanks for the not a review 😊
Is this your first pre production test experience. They are never the final release condition. It's great to share the concerns, and if time and materials are available will be implemented. And even money bet a bearing seized causing the non perpendicular bearing stack when the bearing shaft wore into the bracket. Fwiw
Nope, and usually when it is its clearly called out in communications
Which for the SV08, there was nothing in any our communications that would have led me to believe it was anything other than the "final product"
"It doesn't use any of those" 10 seconds later it uses both lol bruh
please timestamp the moment in the video where it uses the Z endstop switch (the silver loadcell thing behind the bed)
A shame to see some of these problems on a promising machine. The wait continues...
10:48 Seems like Bambulab Effect is starting tu build up. Even though I am very against Bambulab stealing your information, those guy made it right.
I dont get how a company basing their commercial printer design on a succesful open source project forgets to properly implement half of the details the open source project has already figured out.
The klipper macros for things like the nozzle probe really arent magic and there are plenty of open source ones out there that they could have just used as is. The inability to go that last step to make a well usable product after investing significant amount of engineering into the hardware and things like injection molds is mind boggling.
it does make a plastic boat