The Clone Wars Have Begun! Sovol SV08 Voron Clone First Look!
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- What I really think about the Sovol SV08 Voron Clone 3D Printer!
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Came for the Sovol, stayed for the Firefly t-shirt!
Heck ya! Shiney!
Let's just hope that this Clone War doesn't end with the declaration of an empire.
Hahaha 🤣
I ordered mine. All the people crying about being a voron clone need to grow up. This company is giving back to voron, unlike ldo and the plethora of other resellers out there who want 2k Australian dollars for kits. I bought this for under 800 aud.
Love the dichromatic and trichromatic filaments. Once refined with better profiles this looks promising. Thank you for doing a great job as usual an i look forward to your full review.
Thanks for the video Jim.
At 13:47 you were actually showing the donate page for klipper, not Voron. (Though supporting klipper is also a nice thing 😄)
Sovol had actually made some donation to the VoronDesign team days before SV08 is launched.
Personally I wouldn't call it a "clone", but I guess that's more of a subjective understanding of the word.
The core mechanism is the same, but they took mass production into consideration and redesigned every part for injection molding and using custom extrusions.
Anyways, have a nice time at RMRRF!
Belongs to them cloners beyond the outer rim!
Thank you! Lol I definitely put the wrong page in that shot!
Thank you for an honest first look. Lost all faith in Nero since he keeps slagging this machine that never ever claimed to be a 2.4, but he keeps pushing that. The 08 is exactly what I thought it would be, a super solid foundation that can be tweaked to be amazing! Keep up the great work.
I feel his video was fair and the follow up with the very short pin for a bearing stack was valid. While 2.4 inspired and built for mass production, people who do not know any better will say it’s a 2.4 just like the ender 5 people think it’s a corexy. They even mention the Voron inspired however there are many mods for the 2.4 that will not work on this due to the custom extrusions. The sv08 like the Troodon 2.0 have their place.m for those that don’t want to built a kit. Nero’s biggest grip was firmware and slicer material profiles.
@trugbilddrachen I'm sure when it ships, they will include profiles or they will be created by the community. I always build my own profiles. It's not much work. If I built a voron I'm still building my own profiles. I think his review was a little too bias.
@@leetpg while I am the same, you can’t say that for the majority of those buying this. Given that they ship early May in the US the units provided for reviews should have had the profiles ready. What did they use when they tested in house? The z calibration even mentioned in this video was “coming soon” i also feel based on the live stream and the box, they are banking on the Voron name and similarity to a 2.4. Even this video mentions being a clone. I am all in for Sovol, how we we should relay on the community to fix the basics of the printers functionality. This is not the 199 ender 3 anymore.
@trugbilddrachen I think he said it best when he said it's half baked. I wouldn't say half baked though I'd say it's 90 to 95 percent there. To finalise profiles won't take much work. Maybe the review rigs they sent out they only expected simple pla prints. Again, they shouldn't do this when asking for a review. It's like designing a torch that has 3 brightness modes and sending it out for review and the other two modes aren't ready for use yet. Annoying, but software work like that can be ironed out relatively quickly.
It's a tricky situation. I feel everything gets compared to a bambu when really this shouldn't be. I know it's a mass produced machine but it's root core is literally the epitome of a tinkerers dream. I had a big build to make my own voron but I've got 2 kids under 3 years old, work two jobs and struggle to find time to scratch my ass. I couldn't commit to a 40 plus hour build with the space I have at home. This will allow me to have the volume, core xy, a known platform and still tinker.
His issue with the bearing too looks fixable. I also don't think it will take long for someone to cnc the plastic parts out of allow as a future upgrade.
I always say, if you don't want to tweak, modify or tinker then buy a bambu.
Did you order a sv08? I did and want wait to get it. I was going to order the enclosure but for the price I think I can build one for under $20.
Love the dual extrusion filament by polymaker. Did a lot of stuff with the shadow red. My wallet is printed out of it lol That aside, it seems the most common issue I've seen across various reviews had been layer shifting. I wonder if the belts aren't tensioned properly out of the box
Does the Klipper SBC have some kind of fast boot mode because I'm usually annoyed at the idea of having to wait 3 minutes until my printer can do "anything" 🤭
Haha Good question!
the red-black filament is awesome
I can’t find max temp specs for the bed nor the 2 hotend choices on their page.
Care to share any light on that?
Never mind. Sovol3d have the machine specs, technical drawings and manual on their Github. Max temp for the bed is 100 and 300 for the hotend.
this might be the large format printer for me, i was going to pickup a neptune 4 plus or max but now im thinking this is more bang for my buck
What is the quality of the heat bed, is it straight or is it warped?
Definitely warped just like every other printer
@@Nick0utd00rs With my bamboo I am a maximum of 0.05mm warped over the entire surface and I would need 300mm in this direction for certain tasks
I like the shadow red, I will have to order some and find a project to print.
Wonder what the parts cooling fans are specifically. I bought a SV07+ a few months ago and later found out about its parts cooling deficiency. Designed a dual-5015 fan holder to ride on the extruder, learned how to tweak the profiles in Orca, and now it's working pretty well. Basically, to print PLA at ever faster speeds you need ever better cooling, and not just for the microscopic area that you're printing.
Sorry I know your not sponsored right but can you tell me where to find that black and red filament you used for the clone helmet? Ive been looking on line for one like it but I cant find it
It's Polymaker Shadow Red! us.polymaker.com/products/polyterra-dual-pla?aff=370
I currently have a Sovol V6 Plus with Klipper upgrade. Im seriously thinking this is my next printer. and all I have seen was about half of the video .
you have your orange storm set up yet?
Yes! Video coming soon!
Solvol and Quido Pro are the ones I am going back and forth on.
I have the Q1 Pro and absolutely love it. Not one single failed print
Wait, so the sovol sv08 is going to have multi colour printing?
yes ... with a collaboration with Co-print and their new products ( it was a kickstarter end of 2023 )
@@cryoglobe okay, cool thank-you! Any idea on release date?
@@mitchhowden5860 no date so far ... except an official communications saying they would do a partnership with Co-print with their latest product ( that was on kickstarter end of 2023 )
Okay, so that Shadow Red filament is magnificent. Also, I definitely don't care for yet another proprietary nozzle...that alone will keep me from ever buying this printer unless the community manages to adapt an existing and widely available nozzle, as was the case for putting standard Volcano nozzles on the SV06 Plus.
Aside from that, this printer certainly will be plagued by inconsistent build quality (see also: Nero3D's SV08) and should have had a few more months of development before release, but deserves praise for likely being able to do to the Voron 2.4 what the SV06 and SV06 Plus did to the Prusa i3: making a good printer design more accessible to hobbyists from a wider variety of skill levels and income levels.
I'm very interested in this printer. Please reprint that helmet at 100% and show us!
But I'd also like to see you do something at the other end of she spectrum like a WH40K or WW2 tank but at moderate speed for quality to see how it can print that type of thing. I'd be very keen to see one printed with a 0.2 nozzle and a 0.1 or even 0.05 layer height.
Great video as always, What I have been hearing from you and other reviewers solid construction but the print not so impressive. Not sure this is going to equal a Bambu Labs printer anytime soon but it is affordable.
Future firmwares? They never update firmware. Still no update to my SV 06 Plus
Great review! Looks like it needs a little bit of help to get across the finish line 👍
Jim, one of the best reviews on the SV08. Glad you had a helper with the build.
Their commercial was the add for this video hahahahah
Ordered one yesterday, hoping it's better than my K1 Max so I can finally take a baseball bat to it like I've been dreaming of for over a year...
Givin me Claudio Sanchez vibes.
Tempted to send back my k2 max thats arriving today and get thia instead 😂
I have always liked Sovol, I had several sv01's and have a few sv07's now. The number one complaint with almost all of these Chinese 3d printer companies is the firmware, it never really gets polished, have to rely on others to release a stable, good working firmware, I am guessing it may be the same with this one. I wish you would have created that new profile yourself and did some test prints so we know for certain if it is a profile issue or a firmware problem.
I don't think you'll see that with this because it's running full Klipper. I wish I had more time to produce this video, I'll keep everybody updated with profiles!
That wasn't the case with merlin stuff?
The thing is with Klipper you'll have full control over the firmware. It might not be the best out of the box but you'll be able to make any changes you want to it
I agree. Both Nero and this review show the firmware still needs some polishing to get the basic functionality promised. I will use the mcu fan for example. Most if not all haven’t of these mfgs figured out klipper to only turn on the mcu fan when the board is working such as heating up. Qidi, Creality and this unit. While I appreciate the community in improving, you should have basic functionality esp less than 3 weeks away from shipping. These units are boxed and are waiting delivery at the warehouse at least in the US. Users will have to update their machines right out of the box.As I mentioned in another post where are the profiles? I would have assumed they were testing other filaments than pla in house. As the extruder is similar as the sv06 , I wonder if the profiles could be used.
This was an affordable large format core xy with vanilla ish klipper (remember they did turn off updating by default). I want this to succeed, but the mentality of “it’s ok, the community will fix it” when it should function out of the basic as promised is an old way of thinking. It’s not the ender 3/pro.
Got one at 1200 today, it was $449 with free shipping
How/where ? for me it's 550$ today, and it was 550$ yesterday as well
@lucwal67 all I know is I hit add to cart right at 1201EST and was in the first 500 units for $499. When I checked out, it took off an additional 10% discount too - so , $449.
That helmet kinda looks like a paint can exploded near it LOL. Also yes the manufactures need to start with their own profiles and make sure they are sane in 90% of cases. Including the panda food printers
The plural of axis is axes. Yes, it seems odd but that is it what it is. 😉😁
Lmao, Fakespot started screaming the moment I opened up sovol3d.
"ax ees"
I like the printer but I think I love that shirt....
You know what? I have never printed in "vase mode" in the 4+ years I have been printing with my now 5 different printers and 4 different brand printers...
10k? jeezzzzzzz
That is just a place holder price. It'll launch in 13 minutes.
@@MakerViking I paid $449. The 10k was a place holder.
@@downsyndromebear Yeah, it was just a place holder. I also got $449 in the cart, due to the $50 auto coupon they forgot about the first few minutes. I didn't buy it though, since I really don't have the money for it, even though I was very tempted.
I didnt have the money either and still bought it.. i am weak 😅
Looks like all manufacturers race now tricky lower prices but how many millions customers will pay just for single replacement hotends
I know something is better than nothing, but $2 feels like a slap in the face. I can only imagine that someone spent countless hours designing, sourcing the parts, testing, etc., to come up with a completed product, and a company comes over, mass produce your finished design, and gives you a super small amount as recognition, it doesn't feel right. Maybe the Voron team should patent the design and license it for companies while keeping it free for hobbyist so the Voron spirit stays alive. Thanks for the first-look video Jim!
That’s the nature of Open Source. You are giving away your product for free without any expectations of a return.
@@eriklundqvist4221exactly. They took an open source project, added their own value and kept it open source. I don't see any issues whatsoever.
@@eriklundqvist4221and on top of that, they donated to the original project, which they DON'T have to do. People need to stop bitc...ng about dumb stuff
first reviewer on the 08 that has not taken a hammer and smacked it over and over or dropped it on the floor, all before printing. Will be a great printer with updates and a little tuning.
$2 contribution is wild
Can’t think of a single company that has donated anything and Sovol already passed 3k today. Might be low but their margins aren’t very high, hopefully it starts a trend to peer pressure companies to support more.
Seems the bar these days is that a printer needs to be better or cheaper than a Bambu. This is neither, so hard to justify. Like it not not, the BBLs are that disruptive.
I disagree with you. A Bambu Lab P1P is $600 plus shipping. It's an open frame, it's a smaller build area, it's not open source (that's an issue or disadvantage for some), if you want full functionality you need to go through their server, that's a NO NO for a lot of people. The SV08 is larger by a good margin, it's open source, it's fully functional in your network without exposure to the Internet, it's upgradeable since it's open source, uses Klipper with all its advantages. It's lacking a multi material system but to some that's not a deal breaker. All in all it's better than the P1P in a lot of ways while lacking in just one area, the multicolor system. In my case it would be a better fit than the P1P for my specific needs. I don't care about multi color printing that much since I do mainly functional prints
is this a voice over?:p
Lol nope!
@@TheEdgeofTech your mouth did not move the same way the audio was... :d
@@user-ob5ss8xk1b hahaha You know about what time in the video? I have to check this out LOL
Price is $549 as of 4-18-2024 at noon.
I got mine for $450, but I literally ordered it the second it came out
@@lobodavaro3035 I converted the footprint and realized my table is too small for a 24x26 inch printer!!😒😬
Nice review, but I don't like how sovol is talking about voron and stuff. Obviously it is inspired by voron, but as an owner of a voron, I do not think that SVO8 is something to compare to a tuned 2.4
Oooof rumors of a $469 or under price is a pipe dream I see…starting at $549 but after the enclosure you’re up to $700. Not too far off from the price of the upcoming K2 I would wager….I see on the website it doesn’t say any info on stuff like dimensions and specs of the hot end or camera resolution…I see they sell a camera (720p) for the SV08 is that a replacement or an upgrade?? Do you know what the resolution on the included webcam is?
First 1500 units sold were "Early Bird" priced at $499 and wasn't difficult to get, like they'd still "only" sold a little over 1k units one hour after the sale started. It also combined with a store coupon that I think Sovol had forgotten about. 😅 So at least the very first buyers actually got it for $449! 😊
filament holder looks really flimsy
It's more of a "wannabe" Troodon 2.0 Pro in the "more plastic wasn't possible" version...
Interesting comment. I haven't seen that printer, but why do you say that?
@@TheEdgeofTech Troodon 2.0 Pro is a Voron 2.4 clone. To me, the structure of the SV08 looks more like the Troodon than a Voron clone. Unfortunately with far too many plastic parts (the Troodon hardly has any plastic) with all the disadvantages that this brings with it. The Troodon also comes with a stealth burner, touchscreen, housing and costs a little more (if you want to upgrade the SV08 to the same thing). The SV08 is new and I hope it finds its way and its community! If not, there are alternatives!
;)
Sovol started with a 1,000$ donation to the project, was processed a week ago....and current plan is to quarterly do the per unit donations
"40 hours of voron would take" this is a punch line for every paid promotion it seems like, building V2 from kit is hardly 15 hours of overall involvement if you have to put heat inserts by yourself.
What are you? A Browncoat?
should be more than 2$
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Can’t answer the question cause I think helmets are lame.
You can tell the difference between reviewers who are independent and those who will say anything to keep companies happy...
This is the latter..
Nice printers with hideous plastic design...
You are a good salesman. Not as good as the one from Israel, though. Why can't companies rely on honest user reviews, but hire youtube influencers...
Extrusion problems, the profiles are not good, it needs people to fix it and deal it properly because the manufacturer didn't do it.
I wonder how SOVOL can be sure that those printers don't have extrusion problems, VFA, wobbling, cooling issues when they didn't even bother to make proper slicer profiles and test the products they sell. So what happens if someone buys one now and 3 months later it becomes evident that it ain't a "profile issue" but it is the whole printer that has the wrong combinations of motors, belts, drivers and maybe cooling?
This sh*** has to stop, they get paid with good money the should provided finished products.
Said the same old things as the other Sovol salesmen and their stream. The 3D printer space has been totally bought by shady companies selling unfinished products, backed by kickstarters and tested by customers...
Interesting comment. Why am I a Sovol Salesman? Didn't I say what needs to be fixed in my opinion? It's true that many of us get early printers and they are still being dialed in, but that happens with EVERY COMPANY! Even the Orange one sends printers out to the masses that are not "finished". This wasn't a Kickstarter and as with any open source 3D Printer, there is always tinkering and dialing in. Is there anything you liked about the video? What would you have done differently?
@@TheEdgeofTech I woudl have liked to seen the shadow red helmet printed full size, thats the only thing i woud have liked done differently, very cool and it didnt look so bad from here. The filaments i use were very sensitive to nozzle temperature, if they didnt get their certain degrees they'd print funny. Even some just printed funny no matter how much i tried to dial them in, i thought it was the printer until i changed filament and got a perfect print, so its the filament thats usually the most variable in the equation, and that you have to tune for. E-steps etc, why they all look great if you use their model and their test filament, its already dialed in, until you use your own filament on a your own model you realize you have to dial it in, so not bad.
At least it has a price tag to match and is open source. Anyone with experience can tune the printer profiles in 30 minutes. Even with my work X1C I still had to put a while into tuning profiles, that thing hates circles with any overhang. Not to mention all the first batch issues with prusa XL at that price range. No printer is 100%, but I would expect more at higher prices and expect less at lower prices.
Did you come here to look for someone bashing the printer? Are you salty that it's not a bad rig for the asking price?
Bambu fanboy detected
Execute order 66. This definitely isn't on par with the Voron
Once the SV08 has "matured" a bit, what would you rather have if you have the space for it: This $599 SV08, or a $699 Bambu Lab P1P? That's the sort of comparison that makes at least _some_ sense.
Comparing _any_ $599 pre-built 3D printer vs a $1200 Voron kit that takes 30-40 hours to build is a bit meaningless. ( Not counting $900 cheapo kits as they may somewhat defeat the purpose of a Voron in the first place).