We can say we can use force dolby vison on apple tv and have more highlights that on hdr native like on amazon prime video force it or you recommend to use the native signal
@ 6:08 i see freesync is showing the proper Hz instead of 5:5. Is this something an LG GX/CX owner can look forward to with the 120fps Dolby Vision 4k software update coming to us soon? Honestly I love my GX so much but there has only ever been one thing I don’t like about it and it is that problem right there. I want to know the true value instead of trying to do maths with ratios on a number that is jumping around like a gymnast who has a case of the twisties. Edit: Spelling like a librarian with a case of the squinties
Great comparison video! To all Xbox gamers who play on the One X, I realised yesterday that in 4K mode the One X has awful animation lag, this means every movement such as jumping and melee has input lag despite my equipment has no lag problem. Playing on 1080p one the One X is more ideal for multiplayer!
Vincent, apparently Battlefield 1 supports Dolby Vision natively, same as the PC version of Mass Effect Andromeda. Would be nice if you could test and compare those at some point.
@@Lead_Foot What are you talking about? It's only the TV/Monitor that has to supoort it not the PC/Graphics card. If you have a TV with Dolby Vision all you need are games that support it such as Battlefield V to work on PC.
I have noticed even in movies that Dolby Vision has a slightly lower APL than HDR10. I think that's just the way it is. Sacrifice some total brightness to get a hair of highlight detail back.
so cant you just decrease some brightness on HDR10 for the same thing? would like to see someone eyeball it to similar brightness, and see differences in overall color gamut then
For me with the Hisense dual cell its the complete opposite. DV has a significant improvement in APL and has better tone mapping. HDR10 does have more clipping for highlights. Colors are superior also on DV. With my OLED and Sony LCD I rarely saw a noticeable difference in most TV or movies between the two. Mainly just a little more saturation and occasionally a little step up in clarity
Despite the fact that dolby vision is nice. Did you all knew that Halo 3 had real HDR lighting? That's why the effects looked darn good that time. Sad that there was no Oled and 4K at the time.
You’re right. I totally agree with you. Once I bought my LG OLED CX 55 that I always use an HDR10 for gaming, and I recently decided to try a Dolby vision for gaming, and I felt there is something wrong. Yes I can see some slight details to Dolby vision, but the picture it’s darker in a strange way since most games out there they don’t have a native Dolby vision, and when you use a Dolby vision to Xbox series X games that which means the signal has been converted from HDR10 to Dolby vision. The matter of fact I was much enjoying to play games on HDR10 since it’s more colorful, and more brighter, that even if you miss some slight details of the picture for HDR10 due to the brightness that it doesn’t matter since you’re playing a native HDR10 video games, and that’s also applying for watching a movies in HDR format. So I suggest you guys stick to HDR format until the new video games launch a native Dolby vision to see the different in between.
Hey Vincent, I’ve always been a huge fan of your content and please keep the LG / Xbox Series X clips coming!! Just as a quick note here- I’m not sure if you know this, but there are actually a few titles on the Xbox Series X that actually do support Dolby Vision HDR, such as: Gears 5, Halo: The Master Chief Collection and Borderlands 3. Perhaps you can use one of these games in your next Dolby Vision vs HDR10 comparison. I mostly play The Master Chief Collection anyway, so I’ve lucked out big time in this category. The game plays amazing on my LG ZX in Dolby Vision, 120hz, 8K upscaling, with Freesync enabled… Only thing that I was crushed to admit, is that RGB (4:4:4 chroma sampling) does not function with these settings because the Xbox Series X isn’t capable of sending out more than 40 gbps… This was a crushing blow for me, because I’ve only recently even figured out how to get 4:4:4 chroma sampling to even work in my set up through the tutorials in your videos, and it was awesome. I miss the greater specular highlights from 4:4:4, but I’d have to say that Dolby Vision at 120hz with Freesync is worth the trade off, at least on the Master Chief Collection where the game actually supports Dolby Vision.
Dan - recently got a Series X and I'm an LGCX owner. I know that 4:4:4 chroma is enabled by changing the input tag to PC mode, are you saying it doesn't work at all because of the 40gbps limit on Xbox? Or is it because you have AMD freesync enabled? I'm wondering what the best way to play the Master Chief Collection would be, any insight would be greatly appreciated.
@@anomalyLG Maybe I haven’t messed around with it enough- I just left it on 8-bit 4:2:2 chroma after the 120hz Dolby Vision update throttled me back from 10-bit 4:4:4 chroma. It kinda sucks a little bit going backwards like that after having gotten used to 4:4:4, but I guess I assumed I had no other option and thus I really haven’t tried much to fix it. I also turned back on BT.2020 and then turned my reds down a little bit to try and help… It looks better in the MCC to me- but the reds are still kinda washed out in Madden 22. UPDATE: So it appears to be either Dolby Vision 120hz at 4:2:2 or nothing… Freesync doesn’t make an impact- the only way to get 4:4:4 chroma back is to disable Dolby Vision. I can’t even get the tv to work on 4:4:4 with Dolby Vision at 60hz anymore… Even when I put the tv back over into V1 of Dolby Vision and launched it at 60hz it is still 8-Bit at 4:2:2 chroma now… Kinda sucks I can’t seem to go back to 4:4:4 unless I completely disable Dolby Vision. So for my money, you have to play games in Dolby Vision at 120hz instead of regular HDR at 10-but 4:4:4 chroma… Let me know if you can figure it out, but for me this is the best I’ve got. It’s Dolby or nothing - and I’m going with Dolby Vision.
Thanks for the comparison. Oh my C7, Dolby Vision was a huge upgrade for me because of how dim the regular HDR game mode is on the tv. It's enough to hold off on upgrading for another year or two
HDR is great but the fact that you need to adjust it in order for it to display properly makes it a loss for most people, then each game has its own setup and they are generally horrible
That's why they are releasing hdmi 2.1a this year, comes with a new feature called Source-Based Tone Mapping (SBTM). "SBTM is an improvement on HDR technology that lets your video source (PC, game console, etc) handle HDR tone-mapping for your TV or monitor. SBTM ends the need for manual HDR calibration. It should also improve video quality and reduce glitches on screens showing both HDR and SDR content simultaneously-something that’s fairly common in video editing and livestreaming."
@CoolhandLukeSkywalkr wow... this sounds incredible. So how does this work for older tvs that don't have hdmi 2.1a? My gpu, TV, cables are all just 2.1 so does that mean I need all new tv,gpu,TV, to take advantage of this? It seems like something that shouldn't need a bandwidth increase. Will a firmware achieve this?
@@randybobandy9828 Yeah, for hdmi 2.1a to work, everything in your chain of devices must have hdmi 2.1a also: "It’s expected that most source devices and displays sold in the last few years will be firmware updatable to support HDMI 2.1a, but we have no way of knowing exactly which companies and which products will do so. There’s no guarantee that just because your TV is physically capable of working with HDMI 2.1a, your manufacturer will choose to issue an update." - Digital Trends
Ikr. Ive tried hdr abd dolby both but they both make my picture look washed out and the colour faded. Even after changing the specific game hdr settings. I just default to my settings for the tv.
The reason people say the Dolby Vision looks much better is probably the placebo effect, the same reason people will claim expensive wines or high resolution audio is much better, but they won't be able to tell the difference in double blind tests. Most enthusiasts will know not to leave the game mode with color temperature at 0
Very true I have a old 2011 plasma and I can't tell the difference to my lg c1 It is all just marketing and we are the lemmings that lap it all up and spend spend spend . In the 90s no one bought a new TV or VCR you just kept the one you had untill it broke. I still think my 1997 Sony Trinitron looks great. 4k Dolby vision hdr10 are all just minor improvements. We have seen nothing like black and white to colour
@@johnphillips7562 depends... to gaming, the input lag is much better than any old TV. Picture quality really depends on you exigency. I have a Plasma and a NanoCell. Plasma picture quality is way ahead, but for gaming, the low input lag from the 2020 TV is just great. Thinking that way, oled is the combination of 2 great things. Good for movies and games. But nothing is like black and white to rgb anymore.
@@MisterRhul Yea I do enjoy the low latency and 120hz gaming. But to be honest for movies I never watch the plasma and think oh I wish I was watching the oled. I didn have a Q90a but returned it for the c1 Led has no contrast or depth.
Dolby vision can be a game changer! The real difference is in "dynamic" HDR. In theory, every scene can have different settings. I'm not sure if games can make use of that? But imagine Dolby Vision build directly into the engine with different settings for each environment, dynamically calculated, in a cave HDR is different then in the field with grass and different again in a building with windows, i think, this could be amazing and truly "next gen" Could someone find out if epic for example is working on that already? If not, Im the first one thinking about it and want royalty for it :D
Fantastic video, Vincent. This content is much appreciated from the OLED/Xbox community. It seems like Dolby Vision games (and indeed the official DV game HDR support) will at least come out this year with Halo Infinite being natively built for it. It will be great to see the difference here.
@@xxxshinomorixxx You don't need it? Bro, I got myself a CX with the Series X launch and the display is actually perfect. You can fire up whatever crappy stuff you have and it will still look amazing.
Thanks for this helpful video. I think I just made my decision on which 8K TV (been doing a ton of comparing between 8K TVs for the future) I would like to get, it was between the LG QNED99 and the Samsung QN900a (Dolby Vision vs. HDR 10+) and also the LG without VRR vs. the QN900a with VRR (which I think is more important to me since I have a High End PC hooked up to the TV with a NVIDIA GPU that I really need G-Sync Compatibility for reducing tearing) so it came down to the HDR settings at this point. I also have the Xbox Series X and PS5 hooked up to the same TV In this case, my room is a brighter room and I have complained about the Sunlight coming in making the TV I am currently viewing too hard to see during the daytime so the Samsung TV in this case with its superior brightness settings would be a better fit in my case. While it will be a bit of a loss without the Dolby Vision on the Series X, the HDR10+ is just fine in my case (I want to upgrade from a TCL 4k HDR TV, has just "basic" HDR from 2017 and not alot of other features besides a game mode option for input lag). So getting the Samsung QN900a will help take advantage of the new consoles and my PC when I get the next GPU upgrade from my 20 Series NVIDIA GPU. I was leaning towards the LG, but based on the room I am in, the Samsung beats this out.
Microsoft should get rid of the global HDR toggle on Xbox and give us a per game setting. Games with poor HDR are better in SDR. Then of the good ones, some are better in HDR10 and others in DV, yet we have to constantly swap these setting around and it's hard to remember what you use for which game.
I think another reason why some people prefer Dolby Vision over HDR is that the TV allows higher ABL and overdrives the panel more while in DV mode. I own an older 2017 model and I can vouch that on my TV lots of conent that hits ABL hard in SDR or HDR mode actually doesn't do that in Dolby Vision mode. I suspect LG is overdriving the panel in DV mode slightly to be able to get Dolby logo on their boxes... :)
On my B9 there is a definite difference between HDR10 (game user preset with HGIG) and Dolby Vision (cinema user preset) when using the same baseline settings for both (50 brightness, OLED light 100, contrast 100, colour 50, warm 2 and all extra processing off) which favours Dolby Vision by having slightly punchier and more pleasing image. Overall it just seems to make the lighting in-game a little more cohesive and natural. Maybe with professional calibration the difference might not be so apparent but using the same settings for both modes does yield a slightly different image. Are the gamma values slightly different between the two modes? One thing I did notice is that even judging by eye I needed to adjust the red tint in CMS to +10 because the reds appeared quite pink/magenta compared to HDR10. Once I'd done that I really do prefer Dolby Vision to HDR10 personally. It also seems to look better with games that utilise Auto HDR. Just a shame I can't have 120hz at the same time but as the majority of games run at 60hz then I tend to leave the console set to 60hz with DV most of the time and only switch to 120hz HDR if I play a game that I use it on (Rocket League for example). The only thing I don't like about Dolby Vision is how bright the Xbox guide is compared to HDR10.
After trying HDR HGIG alternating back and forth with DV , I find HGIG slightly brighter however there is something about DV that really cooks and has made my decision final to opt for DV , some games tested FH4/5 , Trails fusion , Wreckfest , is it that the peak brightness highlights are popping more maybe , tested on LG C1
I did several tests on my 55-inch LG OLED C2 and my Xbox Series X and several games. In Dolby Vision, peak brightness increases from 800 to 1000 nits compared to HDR. Theoretically this would be good because it has a brighter screen, but the dynamic tone mapping in some games is disrupted, unlike with HDR and HGiG enabled. In HDR, HGiG enhances areas containing lighting by up to 800 nits. So much so that you must notice when switching from HGiG to dynamic tone mapping that in HGiG it gets darker, but that's not it, the image is really dark, and HGiG has the function of highlighting the illuminated areas, so much so that in darker areas clear, HGiG makes the screen brighter, if you switch to mapping it tends to stay the same or get darker. In DV, it is as if dynamic mapping was enabled at all times but trying to correct the HGiG brightnesses, but in darker areas it acts in a way that the shadows are lighter than they should be. I was playing Resident Evil 4 remake with DV and in a part of the castle, where there should be black shadows, they were reddish. For some reason DV doesn't work 100% perfectly with games as it should. So it's better to use HDR for a more accurate image.
Please, Vicent, redo the comparison video with the new games that are on the market, even knowing that, after 1 year, not so many games with native DV came out.
I don't understand how games can have Dolby Vision? I thought the idea was that in movies / TV series, you can control the image scene by scene to produce an image as intended by the director. But in games, every scene depends on user input and is gonna be different for each person and played differently. I don't get it, can someone please explain?
Honestly Dolby vision seemed to drop brightness everywhere but not in a bad way. It seemed to tone down brightness that wasn't needed or too much and Dolby vision because of this had amazing highlights. I definitely preferred Dolby vision when i had it. Hoping to see it return soon in a finished way and not just testing
I’ve been playing with DV active since the update and haven’t noticed a difference in performance so will be sticking with this. Can’t wait to see how Halo Infinite performs!
Hey Vincent did you know that the Alpha Rings of the Xbox Insider Program now offer 2 toggles for Dolby Vision. One is says “Allow Dolby Vision” and the other “Allow Dolby Vision Games”.
@@johnphillips7562 are you sure your TV supports Dolby Vision? And other detail is if you’re using the 120fps mode very very few TV can activate DV plus 120. Try using 60fps and check if DV works.
@@spacedovahkiin1364 Nothing works it is impossible. I have no idea how people are doing it. I have tried 60fps forcing off HDR through the Xbox and flight sim dirt 5 just default to HDR . Vincent is doing it On my television it is a 48 inch lg c1
i still don't buy that warm 50 is neutral white. i put a white field on my tv, then i configured my phone's screen to show visually the same white on its screen. then i took a photo of the TV displaying the white field with the pro mode camera so what i saw in the phone's screen matches real life. then i asked photoshop what it thinks of the whites. right in the middle of the pink tint of the screen, which is where i focus my calibration, it read the RGB values of RED 212, Green 210, Blue 215. Slightly blueish pink, but pretty damn close to neutral white. with color temperature set to ZERO. the edges of the screen (48" oled used as monitor) look very cyanish (R 165, G 182, B 189) but it's the middle that matters most, and on warm 50 it looks yellow af. i know my "tools" are rough, but the reading matches with my perception. to me, warm 3 with a little bit of green boost on high point is the most neutral tone. it's easy to say a sunset scene looks better and more impactful on warm colors. they do too on my amber sunglasses. in contrast, a scene of a blue sky over a blue ocean water will look green. idk there must be something i'm missing for warm 50 to be considered neural. it looks extremely yellow. maybe the edges that are clearly cyanish on these settings might look proper white with the middle looking extra pink, idk. all i know is i hate this pink tint thing. i wish i could make the whole screen the same color temperature instead of having to hide it with very dark dark themes.
Do you really advice to game on new OLED TV's? I saw an RTINGS burn in test, and the results are really "burnt". My 55 C1 is delivering and I'm really confused about what to do with it..
Just avoid prolonged static elements on the screen as much as you can & it should be okay. That however never guarantees something won't burn in. That's just how it's going to be with OLED.
Hi. First of all I love your videos. Keep on good work. I’ve got an question. My LG BX recent update eliminated possibility to play in 120 hz in hdr..why?
The differences are not drastic. It's very subtle differences only keen perfectionist eyes really notice or care. I've tried explaining what dolby vision is to multiple people and every time I feel like I'm wasting my breath once I finish tell them. No one cares. And even if they did the difference is minimal. Dolby vision is better. But I do enjoy a higher APL
I found it odd that LG made its default settings so cold out of the box for both Game mode and HDR10. It was the first thing that struck me about the TV. I can't imagine how many people never know to make the picture warmer in order to get better colors and just live with the very cold image, or change it over to Cinema mode for gaming (and losing some input response in the process).
I’ve owned an LG for five years and that’s my biggest complaint, I’m always having to adjust the color because as recent testing exposed, LG’s colored gradiation isn’t very good. This alone has pushed me towards Sony because it seems to be more accurate out of the box. I have an adjustment exhaustion, LOL
@@senseisprotege3632 well it's not too bad once you know where to go to adjust it, but also odd that they are adjusted in two different ways depending on the picture setting (the slider W50-C50 method, and the Temperature Cool/Warm1/Warm2 setting).
@@pogtuber5146 Exactly & well said. I also found that odd as they seem to work against each other. Also, spent the time setting all the color numbers to the calibration provided online. The source material dictates everything, so that surely adds to it as we've had more options now than any time in human history. My hope is that XR processor by Sony eliminates most of those gradient issues between sources.
@@senseisprotege3632 I never set the individual color numbers are that's going too far into it and I'm not having any problem with those numbers I Don't think, except with maybe red which seems more saturated than other colors in some games. I suppose I would have to go into some kind of setup/display website or program in order to calibrate very specifically
@@pogtuber5146 I believe it was numbers provided by Cnet. Their post calibration numbers. Warm1. But tint also to R1. Then they had a bunch of individual positive and negative values for each color in the color management settings. Which isn't available in Game Mode, only Cinema & ISO Expert modes. HD movies look insanely good after I applied the values. It was mainly gaming and SD content that suffered.
@@yeoldeknight3285 you guys are all clueless 🙄. you have to sign up for the insider program the Xbox to test out dolby vision i don't understand why are soo many people confused over this.
@@pedro_ferreirinha because you have to sign up for the insider program on the Xbox to test out dolby vision why are soo many people confused 😕 over this?
When DV gaming is officially released to public will you do another recommended settings video for series x and LG CX/C1 oleds, I think there will be a lot of discussion about chroma with DV, 40gbps limitation and PC mode and so on, and how it works, as PC mode we select for 444 full chroma, yet with DV gaming coming and 40gbps hardware limitation on series x and LG oleds, will not reach this??
On my 4 year old XE93, 1500nits and Dolby Vision capable, Dolby Vision to me is a clear improvement in not only highlight detail, but the colours certainly are deeper, less oversaturated and more realistic.
Dolby Vision looks way better to me. It makes the games seem way more immersive..colors and lighting/shadows are ridiculous. I’m part of the Xbox insider program and when Dolby Vision was gone for a second , I immediately noticed the difference ! HDR colors seems to be flat compared to Dolby. Now If you have Dolby Vision and Atmos on a LG C1 you’re golden ! 👌🏾👌🏾
Yeah because Dolby Vision always selects wide colour gamut (native panel colour) HDR is more of a correct image imo, as good as i like Dolby Vision for 4K movies via my ub820 Panasonic player. I dont think when this gets fully implemented on Series X i would select it for gaming, iam not a fan of wide colour on, yeah it looks nice for showing off the screen for 10 mins. But i like natural colour far better, then again i dont like having Oled Light or Contrast at full, on my 65” C8 its too bright imo. (Just purchased a 48” C1 for gaming in bedroom, £899 just had to be done👍)
Thanks Vincent. Really aprecciate this video. As far as i know , Halo Infinite will support Dolby Vision natively. I hope you make a video for it when it releases.
My C1 keeps saying "HDR" instead of "Dolby Vision" for Picture Mode. The software is up to date and my Xbox has all the green checks in 4k details. And I'm running Dolby Vision capable games. Idky the C1 won't switch to Dolby Vision. Any advice?
Hi, i watched your reviews but you don't seem to put some sort of top 10 of your recommended TVs. You said Panasonic had to compromise quality for the HDMI 2.1, which is the best right now that you can buy for picture quality only? Without HDMI 2.1 even? I don't care about that for watching Blu Ray or TV, since TVs don't even broadcast at 120hz here or anywhere even. I use something else for gaming. Just my main TV. Thank you.
Can you please go over some key settings that should be changed on the A80J (SDR, HDR, DV, gaming)? You do a lot of video of LG C1 settings but nothing on the A80J which is next closest tv a lot of us own. Thanks!
So what did you calibrate the tv and xbox with before doing these tests, was it with hgig or dynamic toning on in the hdr xbox app ? as they will give you both completely different results ?
If there is no decisive quality difference between the two systems, the question is which system will dominate economically the market, which one will have the most game and movie titles. In that case a TV not having the winning system implemented will lose market shares and customers should be aware of the tendency. It looks like Dolby Vision is winning (so don’t buy Samsung) but maybe I am wrong and Vincent could clarify this point?
Everyone should be aware that the omaze competition is not valid to people in the UK and dozens of their counties in their small print. Anyway, interesting video comparison!
So I actually have a decent amount of posterization and gradient banding on my CX using BOTH Dolby Vision gaming and HDR10 gaming, in game mode, at 60Hz *and* 120Hz (note: still no DV gaming @ 120Hz on CX, but 60Hz accepts it). It’s marginally better than on my Q90R and TCLR625 sets. Plus it doesn’t seem to make a difference whether it’s HDR gaming on my Xbox One X or my Xbox Series X. I notice it - the banding - on pretty much every game. Halo MCC, Jedi Fallen Order, Mass Effect Legendary Edition, etc. I didn’t see or hear much by way of reviews that the CX had gradient issues with game mode. I don’t notice it on 4K playback of movies or TV from high-quality streaming. It’s just game mode. Any explanations? Fixes?
HDR is not supposed to bring a slight improvement, It is supposed to be huge. We are at the prehistoric era of this tech but nothing is moving forward since a couple of years 🦖
Because tv’s have not caught up to decent overall HDR standards. Top of the line tv’s have good HDR, but about 70% of HDR displays do not have a wide color gamut nor the backlighting dimming technology to properly showcase HDR. It’s kinda sad. I waited a couple years more than I wanted to save money for the a good display, but it was worth the wait (LG CX)
@@camcooolback4115 I depends if your TV supports DV at 120Hz..if only at 60hz I wouldn't bother at least until games start to officially support it like Halo Infinite
Mr Walker I am on an older model and I heards it improves the HDR bigly for some reason. Well it’s fun to be a beta tester. And it makes my fallout 4 look so much brighter I love it
Isnt dolby vision on games only out for preview members as of now? I have a TV that supports vision and I don't see any options to turn it on in place of hdr10
I love your videos..i have an issue... I'm using lg c2 and i have both Xbox series S and X and none of The options you're showing are available to me.. Everything is grayed out.. I've tried unchecking the HDR 10 and Dolby vision just to see if it would change...i can't use any of these.. When my lg menu is open, they show up for a moment when i launch the game.. Then they go grey again... Any ideas or suggestions? Thank you 🙏
I’ve noticed since this update, with Dolby vision you can now enable true motion? Is this worth turning on to make gaming on the XBSX even smoother and further reduce judder, or should I keep it turned off? I don’t think we previously had this option when in game mode using HDR10, so is this a good option? Anyone?
I'm by no means an expert, but to my eyes it looks alot smoother with Dolby vision and the true motion, especially on 30 Frames per second games since now it feels like 60 frames
So Dolby vision is best when set on 60 Hz. It's intriguing that Dolby vision doesn't use the full bandwidth like in hdr10. The chroma subsampling is also different from RGB
Hey Vincent, I'm still confused since your spider man hdr review. Is full rgb always better than 422 for hdr? Or was this brightness issue only on spider man a bug? What do yo recommend for people who dont have hdmi 2.1?
Great comparison. But still for me 50qn90a is much better for hdr gaming, everything just pops. OLED is way better for multiplayer shooters like modern warfare etc.
I don’t understand how you can get the VRR information displayed correctly and on my screen it just says “5 HZ” (cx). I thought updates would solve this, but not yet…
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We can say we can use force dolby vison on apple tv and have more highlights that on hdr native like on amazon prime video force it or you recommend to use the native signal
@ 6:08 i see freesync is showing the proper Hz instead of 5:5. Is this something an LG GX/CX owner can look forward to with the 120fps Dolby Vision 4k software update coming to us soon?
Honestly I love my GX so much but there has only ever been one thing I don’t like about it and it is that problem right there. I want to know the true value instead of trying to do maths with ratios on a number that is jumping around like a gymnast who has a case of the twisties.
Edit: Spelling like a librarian with a case of the squinties
will you upload a video for series x settings?
Great comparison video!
To all Xbox gamers who play on the One X, I realised yesterday that in 4K mode the One X has awful animation lag, this means every movement such as jumping and melee has input lag despite my equipment has no lag problem.
Playing on 1080p one the One X is more ideal for multiplayer!
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Vincent is a Legend and truly deserves more exposure, thank you for your thorough reviews and deep dives into calibration and settings for us.
He doesn't want any more exposure because then he'll have to use both hands to cover his "media remote".
*DING!*
Vincent is my name and thank you
This is Vincent's low key flex of having 2 Xboxes.
The best of the best. Who wouldnt with a working brain
Not really, I had 3 xbsx and 8 ps5s
@@samarryll512 😂🤦♂️
@@ArtVandelayOfficial well I'm serious, sold two xbsx and all the ps5s, even my personal, it isn't as hard as people claim
@@samarryll512 so you're a scalper ?
Vincent, apparently Battlefield 1 supports Dolby Vision natively, same as the PC version of Mass Effect Andromeda. Would be nice if you could test and compare those at some point.
The only pcs that support dolby vision are some laptops where the oem paid for the license.
@@Lead_Foot What are you talking about? It's only the TV/Monitor that has to supoort it not the PC/Graphics card. If you have a TV with Dolby Vision all you need are games that support it such as Battlefield V to work on PC.
@@theblackswordsman9951 for media DV doesn't work unless it is those oem pcs and you use the windows 10 app, I dont know about those games though
Andromeda doesn’t support dolby vision it’s broken and they will not fix a game they no longer support
Pretty sure DV in bf1 was/ is broken.
This is one of the best channels on TH-cam.
For sure !!
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Yes
I have noticed even in movies that Dolby Vision has a slightly lower APL than HDR10. I think that's just the way it is. Sacrifice some total brightness to get a hair of highlight detail back.
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The OLED TVs are way too dark and on top of that shows extreme black. Does not work for me.
@@bobbycooke6159 Not the Sony A90J which does 1000-1300 nits
so cant you just decrease some brightness on HDR10 for the same thing? would like to see someone eyeball it to similar brightness, and see differences in overall color gamut then
For me with the Hisense dual cell its the complete opposite. DV has a significant improvement in APL and has better tone mapping. HDR10 does have more clipping for highlights. Colors are superior also on DV. With my OLED and Sony LCD I rarely saw a noticeable difference in most TV or movies between the two. Mainly just a little more saturation and occasionally a little step up in clarity
I will be interested to see a comparison when we actually start to get native Dolby Vision games.
Mass Effect Andromeda have it on PC, not sure if in console.
@@brewmonger666 Xbox SX has it
Despite the fact that dolby vision is nice.
Did you all knew that Halo 3 had real HDR lighting?
That's why the effects looked darn good that time.
Sad that there was no Oled and 4K at the time.
Battlefield One on PC supports Dolby Vision as well as Mass Effect Andromeda.
Gears of War 5 is also Dolby Vision
You’re right.
I totally agree with you.
Once I bought my LG OLED CX 55 that I always use an HDR10 for gaming, and I recently decided to try a Dolby vision for gaming, and I felt there is something wrong. Yes I can see some slight details to Dolby vision, but the picture it’s darker in a strange way since most games out there they don’t have a native Dolby vision, and when you use a Dolby vision to Xbox series X games that which means the signal has been converted from HDR10 to Dolby vision.
The matter of fact I was much enjoying to play games on HDR10 since it’s more colorful, and more brighter, that even if you miss some slight details of the picture for HDR10 due to the brightness that it doesn’t matter since you’re playing a native HDR10 video games, and that’s also applying for watching a movies in HDR format. So I suggest you guys stick to HDR format until the new video games launch a native Dolby vision to see the different in between.
I'm just starting my research but let me tell you. I appreciate this comment of yours. It def if very informative and goes a long way
@@XxLaMaravish13xX HDR10 for gaming is now the King until the new incomings games launch a native Dolby Vision for gaming.
Hey Vincent, I’ve always been a huge fan of your content and please keep the LG / Xbox Series X clips coming!! Just as a quick note here- I’m not sure if you know this, but there are actually a few titles on the Xbox Series X that actually do support Dolby Vision HDR, such as: Gears 5, Halo: The Master Chief Collection and Borderlands 3. Perhaps you can use one of these games in your next Dolby Vision vs HDR10 comparison. I mostly play The Master Chief Collection anyway, so I’ve lucked out big time in this category. The game plays amazing on my LG ZX in Dolby Vision, 120hz, 8K upscaling, with Freesync enabled… Only thing that I was crushed to admit, is that RGB (4:4:4 chroma sampling) does not function with these settings because the Xbox Series X isn’t capable of sending out more than 40 gbps… This was a crushing blow for me, because I’ve only recently even figured out how to get 4:4:4 chroma sampling to even work in my set up through the tutorials in your videos, and it was awesome. I miss the greater specular highlights from 4:4:4, but I’d have to say that Dolby Vision at 120hz with Freesync is worth the trade off, at least on the Master Chief Collection where the game actually supports Dolby Vision.
Dan - recently got a Series X and I'm an LGCX owner. I know that 4:4:4 chroma is enabled by changing the input tag to PC mode, are you saying it doesn't work at all because of the 40gbps limit on Xbox? Or is it because you have AMD freesync enabled? I'm wondering what the best way to play the Master Chief Collection would be, any insight would be greatly appreciated.
@@anomalyLG Maybe I haven’t messed around with it enough- I just left it on 8-bit 4:2:2 chroma after the 120hz Dolby Vision update throttled me back from 10-bit 4:4:4 chroma. It kinda sucks a little bit going backwards like that after having gotten used to 4:4:4, but I guess I assumed I had no other option and thus I really haven’t tried much to fix it. I also turned back on BT.2020 and then turned my reds down a little bit to try and help… It looks better in the MCC to me- but the reds are still kinda washed out in Madden 22.
UPDATE: So it appears to be either Dolby Vision 120hz at 4:2:2 or nothing… Freesync doesn’t make an impact- the only way to get 4:4:4 chroma back is to disable Dolby Vision. I can’t even get the tv to work on 4:4:4 with Dolby Vision at 60hz anymore… Even when I put the tv back over into V1 of Dolby Vision and launched it at 60hz it is still 8-Bit at 4:2:2 chroma now… Kinda sucks I can’t seem to go back to 4:4:4 unless I completely disable Dolby Vision. So for my money, you have to play games in Dolby Vision at 120hz instead of regular HDR at 10-but 4:4:4 chroma… Let me know if you can figure it out, but for me this is the best I’ve got. It’s Dolby or nothing - and I’m going with Dolby Vision.
@@danbanasik2212 I will try to play the MCC in 120hz Dolby Vision on the PC mode and let you know if it keeps 444 chroma. Thanks for the response!
I just noticed the same when playing cold war in dolby vision compared to HDR
Very cool to see how much support both LG and you, Vincent, have shown the CX series. Thanks for the info on this update.
Thanks for the comparison. Oh my C7, Dolby Vision was a huge upgrade for me because of how dim the regular HDR game mode is on the tv. It's enough to hold off on upgrading for another year or two
HDR is great but the fact that you need to adjust it in order for it to display properly makes it a loss for most people, then each game has its own setup and they are generally horrible
That's why they are releasing hdmi 2.1a this year, comes with a new feature called Source-Based Tone Mapping (SBTM). "SBTM is an improvement on HDR technology that lets your video source (PC, game console, etc) handle HDR tone-mapping for your TV or monitor. SBTM ends the need for manual HDR calibration. It should also improve video quality and reduce glitches on screens showing both HDR and SDR content simultaneously-something that’s fairly common in video editing and livestreaming."
@CoolhandLukeSkywalkr wow... this sounds incredible. So how does this work for older tvs that don't have hdmi 2.1a? My gpu, TV, cables are all just 2.1 so does that mean I need all new tv,gpu,TV, to take advantage of this? It seems like something that shouldn't need a bandwidth increase. Will a firmware achieve this?
@@randybobandy9828 Yeah, for hdmi 2.1a to work, everything in your chain of devices must have hdmi 2.1a also: "It’s expected that most source devices and displays sold in the last few years will be firmware updatable to support HDMI 2.1a, but we have no way of knowing exactly which companies and which products will do so. There’s no guarantee that just because your TV is physically capable of working with HDMI 2.1a, your manufacturer will choose to issue an update." - Digital Trends
That's why PlayStation 5 has auto tone mapping when used with a Sony Bravia XR TV.
Ikr. Ive tried hdr abd dolby both but they both make my picture look washed out and the colour faded. Even after changing the specific game hdr settings. I just default to my settings for the tv.
Thanks again Vince 🙏 Definitely do the native comparison when you can! I'll be there within minutes.
Excellent video Vincent. I personally prefer HDR at 120Hz. I only use Dolby Vision when games don't have an in-game calibration tool.
How to activate it?
Do the test again and try Gears 5. They updated their game to support Dolby vision.
The reason people say the Dolby Vision looks much better is probably the placebo effect, the same reason people will claim expensive wines or high resolution audio is much better, but they won't be able to tell the difference in double blind tests. Most enthusiasts will know not to leave the game mode with color temperature at 0
Agreed
Very true I have a old 2011 plasma and I can't tell the difference to my lg c1
It is all just marketing and we are the lemmings that lap it all up and spend spend spend .
In the 90s no one bought a new TV or VCR you just kept the one you had untill it broke.
I still think my 1997 Sony Trinitron looks great.
4k Dolby vision hdr10 are all just minor improvements.
We have seen nothing like black and white to colour
@@johnphillips7562 depends... to gaming, the input lag is much better than any old TV. Picture quality really depends on you exigency. I have a Plasma and a NanoCell. Plasma picture quality is way ahead, but for gaming, the low input lag from the 2020 TV is just great. Thinking that way, oled is the combination of 2 great things. Good for movies and games. But nothing is like black and white to rgb anymore.
@@MisterRhul
Yea I do enjoy the low latency and 120hz gaming.
But to be honest for movies I never watch the plasma and think oh I wish I was watching the oled.
I didn have a Q90a but returned it for the c1
Led has no contrast or depth.
@@johnphillips7562 now that is just bullshit.🤣🤣🤣
Dolby vision can be a game changer! The real difference is in "dynamic" HDR. In theory, every scene can have different settings. I'm not sure if games can make use of that? But imagine Dolby Vision build directly into the engine with different settings for each environment, dynamically calculated, in a cave HDR is different then in the field with grass and different again in a building with windows, i think, this could be amazing and truly "next gen" Could someone find out if epic for example is working on that already? If not, Im the first one thinking about it and want royalty for it :D
Fantastic video, Vincent. This content is much appreciated from the OLED/Xbox community. It seems like Dolby Vision games (and indeed the official DV game HDR support) will at least come out this year with Halo Infinite being natively built for it. It will be great to see the difference here.
Already wanted a C1 to play Halo at 120Hz, why are telling me this and making me by a C1 when i don't really need it?
@@xxxshinomorixxx You don't need it? Bro, I got myself a CX with the Series X launch and the display is actually perfect. You can fire up whatever crappy stuff you have and it will still look amazing.
Rest In Peace to our hope for good DV support in halo
@@TheShifty360 Yeah... hopefully things will get worked out.
@@TheShifty360 I belive over time they will get to this, but not a priority right now. Have Dolby vision disabled as Halo is my mai game right now
Vincent proceeds to buy a third Xbox and calls it... Series XXX...
Thanks for this helpful video. I think I just made my decision on which 8K TV (been doing a ton of comparing between 8K TVs for the future) I would like to get, it was between the LG QNED99 and the Samsung QN900a (Dolby Vision vs. HDR 10+) and also the LG without VRR vs. the QN900a with VRR (which I think is more important to me since I have a High End PC hooked up to the TV with a NVIDIA GPU that I really need G-Sync Compatibility for reducing tearing) so it came down to the HDR settings at this point. I also have the Xbox Series X and PS5 hooked up to the same TV In this case, my room is a brighter room and I have complained about the Sunlight coming in making the TV I am currently viewing too hard to see during the daytime so the Samsung TV in this case with its superior brightness settings would be a better fit in my case. While it will be a bit of a loss without the Dolby Vision on the Series X, the HDR10+ is just fine in my case (I want to upgrade from a TCL 4k HDR TV, has just "basic" HDR from 2017 and not alot of other features besides a game mode option for input lag). So getting the Samsung QN900a will help take advantage of the new consoles and my PC when I get the next GPU upgrade from my 20 Series NVIDIA GPU. I was leaning towards the LG, but based on the room I am in, the Samsung beats this out.
Have to test Halo Infinite in december, first game to have native DV.
great video!
Microsoft should get rid of the global HDR toggle on Xbox and give us a per game setting. Games with poor HDR are better in SDR. Then of the good ones, some are better in HDR10 and others in DV, yet we have to constantly swap these setting around and it's hard to remember what you use for which game.
Can you share the updated recommendations for LGCX settings? Thank you!
I think another reason why some people prefer Dolby Vision over HDR is that the TV allows higher ABL and overdrives the panel more while in DV mode. I own an older 2017 model and I can vouch that on my TV lots of conent that hits ABL hard in SDR or HDR mode actually doesn't do that in Dolby Vision mode. I suspect LG is overdriving the panel in DV mode slightly to be able to get Dolby logo on their boxes... :)
Has another comparison been done 2 years later ?
Great comparison video! I would love more of this in the future
On my B9 there is a definite difference between HDR10 (game user preset with HGIG) and Dolby Vision (cinema user preset) when using the same baseline settings for both (50 brightness, OLED light 100, contrast 100, colour 50, warm 2 and all extra processing off) which favours Dolby Vision by having slightly punchier and more pleasing image. Overall it just seems to make the lighting in-game a little more cohesive and natural. Maybe with professional calibration the difference might not be so apparent but using the same settings for both modes does yield a slightly different image. Are the gamma values slightly different between the two modes?
One thing I did notice is that even judging by eye I needed to adjust the red tint in CMS to +10 because the reds appeared quite pink/magenta compared to HDR10. Once I'd done that I really do prefer Dolby Vision to HDR10 personally. It also seems to look better with games that utilise Auto HDR. Just a shame I can't have 120hz at the same time but as the majority of games run at 60hz then I tend to leave the console set to 60hz with DV most of the time and only switch to 120hz HDR if I play a game that I use it on (Rocket League for example).
The only thing I don't like about Dolby Vision is how bright the Xbox guide is compared to HDR10.
After trying HDR HGIG alternating back and forth with DV , I find HGIG slightly brighter however there is something about DV that really cooks and has made my decision final to opt for DV , some games tested FH4/5 , Trails fusion , Wreckfest , is it that the peak brightness highlights are popping more maybe , tested on LG C1
I did several tests on my 55-inch LG OLED C2 and my Xbox Series X and several games.
In Dolby Vision, peak brightness increases from 800 to 1000 nits compared to HDR.
Theoretically this would be good because it has a brighter screen, but the dynamic tone mapping in some games is disrupted, unlike with HDR and HGiG enabled.
In HDR, HGiG enhances areas containing lighting by up to 800 nits. So much so that you must notice when switching from HGiG to dynamic tone mapping that in HGiG it gets darker, but that's not it, the image is really dark, and HGiG has the function of highlighting the illuminated areas, so much so that in darker areas clear, HGiG makes the screen brighter, if you switch to mapping it tends to stay the same or get darker.
In DV, it is as if dynamic mapping was enabled at all times but trying to correct the HGiG brightnesses, but in darker areas it acts in a way that the shadows are lighter than they should be.
I was playing Resident Evil 4 remake with DV and in a part of the castle, where there should be black shadows, they were reddish.
For some reason DV doesn't work 100% perfectly with games as it should. So it's better to use HDR for a more accurate image.
LG ADD DOLBY VISION 120 hz to the C9, ya know the tv that can actually handle the full bandwidth.
I wish they would too but it might not be able to handle the processing -- I bet it could though.
Please, Vicent, redo the comparison video with the new games that are on the market, even knowing that, after 1 year, not so many games with native DV came out.
I don't understand how games can have Dolby Vision? I thought the idea was that in movies / TV series, you can control the image scene by scene to produce an image as intended by the director. But in games, every scene depends on user input and is gonna be different for each person and played differently. I don't get it, can someone please explain?
Honestly Dolby vision seemed to drop brightness everywhere but not in a bad way. It seemed to tone down brightness that wasn't needed or too much and Dolby vision because of this had amazing highlights.
I definitely preferred Dolby vision when i had it. Hoping to see it return soon in a finished way and not just testing
I’ve been playing with DV active since the update and haven’t noticed a difference in performance so will be sticking with this. Can’t wait to see how Halo Infinite performs!
I was curious about performance also people make it seem like the response or lag is way worse but I just got the firmware I'll try today
@@LonghornsLegend performance feels just as good for me as when I had HDR10/HGiG enabled
@M P Change your TV picture settings to medium.
Hey Vincent did you know that the Alpha Rings of the Xbox Insider Program now offer 2 toggles for Dolby Vision. One is says “Allow Dolby Vision” and the other “Allow Dolby Vision Games”.
Could you tell me how to allow Dolby vision gaming
@@johnphillips7562 inside TV & display options go to video modes I believe. It’s where you can toggle autoHDR and the other stuff.
@@spacedovahkiin1364
Thanks tried all that everything on it always defaults to hdr
@@johnphillips7562 are you sure your TV supports Dolby Vision? And other detail is if you’re using the 120fps mode very very few TV can activate DV plus 120. Try using 60fps and check if DV works.
@@spacedovahkiin1364
Nothing works it is impossible.
I have no idea how people are doing it.
I have tried 60fps forcing off HDR through the Xbox and flight sim dirt 5 just default to HDR .
Vincent is doing it
On my television it is a 48 inch lg c1
None of those setting matter the Dolby vision is dynamic while hdr10 is static that means brightness on Dolby vision will change
Yes...please do new updated video. Thanks
i still don't buy that warm 50 is neutral white.
i put a white field on my tv, then i configured my phone's screen to show visually the same white on its screen.
then i took a photo of the TV displaying the white field with the pro mode camera so what i saw in the phone's screen matches real life.
then i asked photoshop what it thinks of the whites.
right in the middle of the pink tint of the screen, which is where i focus my calibration, it read the RGB values of RED 212, Green 210, Blue 215. Slightly blueish pink, but pretty damn close to neutral white. with color temperature set to ZERO. the edges of the screen (48" oled used as monitor) look very cyanish (R 165, G 182, B 189) but it's the middle that matters most, and on warm 50 it looks yellow af.
i know my "tools" are rough, but the reading matches with my perception. to me, warm 3 with a little bit of green boost on high point is the most neutral tone. it's easy to say a sunset scene looks better and more impactful on warm colors. they do too on my amber sunglasses. in contrast, a scene of a blue sky over a blue ocean water will look green.
idk there must be something i'm missing for warm 50 to be considered neural. it looks extremely yellow. maybe the edges that are clearly cyanish on these settings might look proper white with the middle looking extra pink, idk. all i know is i hate this pink tint thing. i wish i could make the whole screen the same color temperature instead of having to hide it with very dark dark themes.
thx for the tipp regarding HDR10 at the end of the video
Excellent comparision and world class content as always !
So wait… if the series x can only has a 10 bit chipset… then why is there an option at all for 12 bit?
I'd love to see you doing a similar side by side comparison of the Sony 124-UB vs Binatone Starvision both running Atari 2600 or Mattel Intellivision.
Ok
Do you really advice to game on new OLED TV's?
I saw an RTINGS burn in test, and the results are really "burnt".
My 55 C1 is delivering and I'm really confused about what to do with it..
Just avoid prolonged static elements on the screen as much as you can & it should be okay. That however never guarantees something won't burn in. That's just how it's going to be with OLED.
I love your videos. Keep up the great work!!!
I disabled Dolby Vision Gaming on my XBOX Series X and the pic looks stunning!
It will look even better if you disable hdr and hdr10 and use dolby vision only
I’m not that tech savvy I go by looks and found Dolby Vision adds a yellowish hue to the image which looks nice in some games and less so in others.
It really sucks that Dolby Vision cuts to 422 at 120hz, in order to play Flight Sim with VRR you need 120hz enabled.
They have a list now for games that are optimized for Dolby Vision
Where can one find this list at?
@@E_Rice It was a Xbox site but the took it down idky
Looking forward to your comparison video when Halo Infinite comes out with its native Dolby Vision support.
Hi. First of all I love your videos. Keep on good work. I’ve got an question. My LG BX recent update eliminated possibility to play in 120 hz in hdr..why?
i cant tell a difference between HDR and dolby vision.
The differences are not drastic. It's very subtle differences only keen perfectionist eyes really notice or care. I've tried explaining what dolby vision is to multiple people and every time I feel like I'm wasting my breath once I finish tell them. No one cares. And even if they did the difference is minimal. Dolby vision is better. But I do enjoy a higher APL
I found it odd that LG made its default settings so cold out of the box for both Game mode and HDR10. It was the first thing that struck me about the TV. I can't imagine how many people never know to make the picture warmer in order to get better colors and just live with the very cold image, or change it over to Cinema mode for gaming (and losing some input response in the process).
I’ve owned an LG for five years and that’s my biggest complaint, I’m always having to adjust the color because as recent testing exposed, LG’s colored gradiation isn’t very good. This alone has pushed me towards Sony because it seems to be more accurate out of the box. I have an adjustment exhaustion, LOL
@@senseisprotege3632 well it's not too bad once you know where to go to adjust it, but also odd that they are adjusted in two different ways depending on the picture setting (the slider W50-C50 method, and the Temperature Cool/Warm1/Warm2 setting).
@@pogtuber5146 Exactly & well said. I also found that odd as they seem to work against each other. Also, spent the time setting all the color numbers to the calibration provided online. The source material dictates everything, so that surely adds to it as we've had more options now than any time in human history. My hope is that XR processor by Sony eliminates most of those gradient issues between sources.
@@senseisprotege3632 I never set the individual color numbers are that's going too far into it and I'm not having any problem with those numbers I Don't think, except with maybe red which seems more saturated than other colors in some games. I suppose I would have to go into some kind of setup/display website or program in order to calibrate very specifically
@@pogtuber5146 I believe it was numbers provided by Cnet. Their post calibration numbers. Warm1. But tint also to R1. Then they had a bunch of individual positive and negative values for each color in the color management settings. Which isn't available in Game Mode, only Cinema & ISO Expert modes. HD movies look insanely good after I applied the values. It was mainly gaming and SD content that suffered.
Vincent!! Show us how to switch between HDR and Dolby vision!
I dont get dolby vision to work. Probably some wrong settings in either the xbox or lg c1. Someone help us please?
@@yeoldeknight3285 i also cant get DV on my new C1
@@yeoldeknight3285 you guys are all clueless 🙄. you have to sign up for the insider program the Xbox to test out dolby vision i don't understand why are soo many people confused over this.
@@pedro_ferreirinha because you have to sign up for the insider program on the Xbox to test out dolby vision why are soo many people confused 😕 over this?
When DV gaming is officially released to public will you do another recommended settings video for series x and LG CX/C1 oleds, I think there will be a lot of discussion about chroma with DV, 40gbps limitation and PC mode and so on, and how it works, as PC mode we select for 444 full chroma, yet with DV gaming coming and 40gbps hardware limitation on series x and LG oleds, will not reach this??
On my 4 year old XE93, 1500nits and Dolby Vision capable, Dolby Vision to me is a clear improvement in not only highlight detail, but the colours certainly are deeper, less oversaturated and more realistic.
Dolby Vision looks way better to me. It makes the games seem way more immersive..colors and lighting/shadows are ridiculous. I’m part of the Xbox insider program and when Dolby Vision was gone for a second , I immediately noticed the difference ! HDR colors seems to be flat compared to Dolby. Now If you have Dolby Vision and Atmos on a LG C1 you’re golden ! 👌🏾👌🏾
Yeah because Dolby Vision always selects wide colour gamut (native panel colour) HDR is more of a correct image imo, as good as i like Dolby Vision for 4K movies via my ub820 Panasonic player.
I dont think when this gets fully implemented on Series X i would select it for gaming, iam not a fan of wide colour on, yeah it looks nice for showing off the screen for 10 mins. But i like natural colour far better, then again i dont like having Oled Light or Contrast at full, on my 65” C8 its too bright imo.
(Just purchased a 48” C1 for gaming in bedroom, £899 just had to be done👍)
Agreed
curious if you have a reference guide on the calibrated settings of your TV for us who cannot afford buying expensive calibration tools?
Do you leave in game HDR sliders at default when using Dolby vision?
Great as ever Vincent, thank you!
I’m sure no one will see this but my question is, if I turn on Dolby Vision on my Xbox Series X, does it still do HDR for games that don’t support DV?
can you do one on watching movies? which is better?
Love this and would love an update later on! Any and all things to help me get the best picture out of my series x and lg tv! Thanks again!
Lg cx finally got the update for Dolby vision ! In eastern time zone USA baby. Bummed it’s not also for 4k/120
Thanks Vincent. Really aprecciate this video. As far as i know , Halo Infinite will support Dolby Vision natively. I hope you make a video for it when it releases.
I have noticed a big diffrence in Ac Odysee with the last patch
Dolby Vision looks there sooo goood 😬😬😬
I'd take hdr10 444 over DV 420 every day
fo fo fo.
I really don’t know what ppl are talking about. Hdr 10 looks better in nearly everything he compared. 🤔
My C1 keeps saying "HDR" instead of "Dolby Vision" for Picture Mode. The software is up to date and my Xbox has all the green checks in 4k details. And I'm running Dolby Vision capable games. Idky the C1 won't switch to Dolby Vision. Any advice?
Hi, i watched your reviews but you don't seem to put some sort of top 10 of your recommended TVs. You said Panasonic had to compromise quality for the HDMI 2.1, which is the best right now that you can buy for picture quality only? Without HDMI 2.1 even? I don't care about that for watching Blu Ray or TV, since TVs don't even broadcast at 120hz here or anywhere even. I use something else for gaming. Just my main TV. Thank you.
Can you please go over some key settings that should be changed on the A80J (SDR, HDR, DV, gaming)? You do a lot of video of LG C1 settings but nothing on the A80J which is next closest tv a lot of us own. Thanks!
Dolby makes the contrast less blinding. I enjoy
So what did you calibrate the tv and xbox with before doing these tests, was it with hgig or dynamic toning on in the hdr xbox app ? as they will give you both completely different results ?
Great video. U can test battlefield 1 and mass effect andromeda on pc. Those games have dolby vision and hdr 10 support
Gears 5 has native dolby vision support
Practically identical, the only difference is that dolby vision is slightly darker
Bigger difference in movies than gaming.
If there is no decisive quality difference between the two systems, the question is which system will dominate economically the market, which one will have the most game and movie titles. In that case a TV not having the winning system implemented will lose market shares and customers should be aware of the tendency.
It looks like Dolby Vision is winning (so don’t buy Samsung) but maybe I am wrong and Vincent could clarify this point?
2 lg c1's and 2 xbox series x ❤️😎
So basically if the game can do hgig you would use hdr10 and if it doesnt then use DV?
Everyone should be aware that the omaze competition is not valid to people in the UK and dozens of their counties in their small print. Anyway, interesting video comparison!
So I actually have a decent amount of posterization and gradient banding on my CX using BOTH Dolby Vision gaming and HDR10 gaming, in game mode, at 60Hz *and* 120Hz (note: still no DV gaming @ 120Hz on CX, but 60Hz accepts it). It’s marginally better than on my Q90R and TCLR625 sets. Plus it doesn’t seem to make a difference whether it’s HDR gaming on my Xbox One X or my Xbox Series X. I notice it - the banding - on pretty much every game. Halo MCC, Jedi Fallen Order, Mass Effect Legendary Edition, etc. I didn’t see or hear much by way of reviews that the CX had gradient issues with game mode. I don’t notice it on 4K playback of movies or TV from high-quality streaming. It’s just game mode. Any explanations? Fixes?
It's the tv , nothing to do with Dolby vision or hdr10 , lg oled have heavy banding
HDR is not supposed to bring a slight improvement, It is supposed to be huge. We are at the prehistoric era of this tech but nothing is moving forward since a couple of years 🦖
Because tv’s have not caught up to decent overall HDR standards. Top of the line tv’s have good HDR, but about 70% of HDR displays do not have a wide color gamut nor the backlighting dimming technology to properly showcase HDR.
It’s kinda sad. I waited a couple years more than I wanted to save money for the a good display, but it was worth the wait (LG CX)
How do you have all the options in the advance menu available? mine are all greyed out, even with OLED care disabled.
Have to say this, thx for pointing out the Lg 8b & 12b bug.
I heard there is no tv outputting 12 bit color depth….
Does anyone know if the 120hz posterization problem has been fixed in 2022?
Yep pointless comparison with no games on XBSX supporting Dolby Vision dynamic meta-data yet..its just a simple conversion atm
I should use it though if I can right ?
@@camcooolback4115 I depends if your TV supports DV at 120Hz..if only at 60hz I wouldn't bother at least until games start to officially support it like Halo Infinite
Mr Walker I am on an older model and I heards it improves the HDR bigly for some reason. Well it’s fun to be a beta tester. And it makes my fallout 4 look so much brighter I love it
Mr Walker and is this dynamic Meta data real Dolby Vision going to be crazy Epic on Halo infinite ?
@@camcooolback4115 well atm it's like comparing Auto HDR on PS5/XBSX with games designed with HDR in mind from the onset
I read somewhere that you can’t do 444 chroma with Dolby vision, is that accurate?
Yes it will change to compressed 8bit 4:2:2
The posterization seems disappointing. That's probably more noticable generally than slightly better highlights.
How to try to distinguish the two modes via video compression generated by youtube?????????????????
Isnt dolby vision on games only out for preview members as of now? I have a TV that supports vision and I don't see any options to turn it on in place of hdr10
Gta supports dolby vision.
Great content, as always.
I love your videos..i have an issue... I'm using lg c2 and i have both Xbox series S and X and none of The options you're showing are available to me.. Everything is grayed out.. I've tried unchecking the HDR 10 and Dolby vision just to see if it would change...i can't use any of these.. When my lg menu is open, they show up for a moment when i launch the game.. Then they go grey again... Any ideas or suggestions? Thank you 🙏
Really enjoyed this video
I think I like HDR10 a bit better. Both look awesome though!
I’ve noticed since this update, with Dolby vision you can now enable true motion? Is this worth turning on to make gaming on the XBSX even smoother and further reduce judder, or should I keep it turned off? I don’t think we previously had this option when in game mode using HDR10, so is this a good option? Anyone?
I'm by no means an expert, but to my eyes it looks alot smoother with Dolby vision and the true motion, especially on 30 Frames per second games since now it feels like 60 frames
So Dolby vision is best when set on 60 Hz. It's intriguing that Dolby vision doesn't use the full bandwidth like in hdr10. The chroma subsampling is also different from RGB
Great video Vincent
Hey Vincent,
I'm still confused since your spider man hdr review.
Is full rgb always better than 422 for hdr? Or was this brightness issue only on spider man a bug?
What do yo recommend for people who dont have hdmi 2.1?
Full RGB is uncompressed chroma(colour signal) so it is of course the best.
@@xm3405 that wasn't my question;)
Great comparison. But still for me 50qn90a is much better for hdr gaming, everything just pops. OLED is way better for multiplayer shooters like modern warfare etc.
Sacrificing 60hz for slightly improved specular highlight detail? That’s a tough trade off.
I don’t understand how you can get the VRR information displayed correctly and on my screen it just says “5 HZ” (cx). I thought updates would solve this, but not yet…