We can say we can use force dolby vison on apple tv and have more highlights that on hdr native like on amazon prime video force it or you recommend to use the native signal
@ 6:08 i see freesync is showing the proper Hz instead of 5:5. Is this something an LG GX/CX owner can look forward to with the 120fps Dolby Vision 4k software update coming to us soon? Honestly I love my GX so much but there has only ever been one thing I don’t like about it and it is that problem right there. I want to know the true value instead of trying to do maths with ratios on a number that is jumping around like a gymnast who has a case of the twisties. Edit: Spelling like a librarian with a case of the squinties
Great comparison video! To all Xbox gamers who play on the One X, I realised yesterday that in 4K mode the One X has awful animation lag, this means every movement such as jumping and melee has input lag despite my equipment has no lag problem. Playing on 1080p one the One X is more ideal for multiplayer!
Thanks very much for taking the time to do this analysis that no one else can to your level. Please do revisit it when native DV games are released. Hopefully the picture output is triggered per title instead of an always on option - something like the Apple TV match content option.
I have noticed even in movies that Dolby Vision has a slightly lower APL than HDR10. I think that's just the way it is. Sacrifice some total brightness to get a hair of highlight detail back.
so cant you just decrease some brightness on HDR10 for the same thing? would like to see someone eyeball it to similar brightness, and see differences in overall color gamut then
For me with the Hisense dual cell its the complete opposite. DV has a significant improvement in APL and has better tone mapping. HDR10 does have more clipping for highlights. Colors are superior also on DV. With my OLED and Sony LCD I rarely saw a noticeable difference in most TV or movies between the two. Mainly just a little more saturation and occasionally a little step up in clarity
HDR is great but the fact that you need to adjust it in order for it to display properly makes it a loss for most people, then each game has its own setup and they are generally horrible
That's why they are releasing hdmi 2.1a this year, comes with a new feature called Source-Based Tone Mapping (SBTM). "SBTM is an improvement on HDR technology that lets your video source (PC, game console, etc) handle HDR tone-mapping for your TV or monitor. SBTM ends the need for manual HDR calibration. It should also improve video quality and reduce glitches on screens showing both HDR and SDR content simultaneously-something that’s fairly common in video editing and livestreaming."
@CoolhandLukeSkywalkr wow... this sounds incredible. So how does this work for older tvs that don't have hdmi 2.1a? My gpu, TV, cables are all just 2.1 so does that mean I need all new tv,gpu,TV, to take advantage of this? It seems like something that shouldn't need a bandwidth increase. Will a firmware achieve this?
@@randybobandy9828 Yeah, for hdmi 2.1a to work, everything in your chain of devices must have hdmi 2.1a also: "It’s expected that most source devices and displays sold in the last few years will be firmware updatable to support HDMI 2.1a, but we have no way of knowing exactly which companies and which products will do so. There’s no guarantee that just because your TV is physically capable of working with HDMI 2.1a, your manufacturer will choose to issue an update." - Digital Trends
Ikr. Ive tried hdr abd dolby both but they both make my picture look washed out and the colour faded. Even after changing the specific game hdr settings. I just default to my settings for the tv.
Despite the fact that dolby vision is nice. Did you all knew that Halo 3 had real HDR lighting? That's why the effects looked darn good that time. Sad that there was no Oled and 4K at the time.
You’re right. I totally agree with you. Once I bought my LG OLED CX 55 that I always use an HDR10 for gaming, and I recently decided to try a Dolby vision for gaming, and I felt there is something wrong. Yes I can see some slight details to Dolby vision, but the picture it’s darker in a strange way since most games out there they don’t have a native Dolby vision, and when you use a Dolby vision to Xbox series X games that which means the signal has been converted from HDR10 to Dolby vision. The matter of fact I was much enjoying to play games on HDR10 since it’s more colorful, and more brighter, that even if you miss some slight details of the picture for HDR10 due to the brightness that it doesn’t matter since you’re playing a native HDR10 video games, and that’s also applying for watching a movies in HDR format. So I suggest you guys stick to HDR format until the new video games launch a native Dolby vision to see the different in between.
Vincent, apparently Battlefield 1 supports Dolby Vision natively, same as the PC version of Mass Effect Andromeda. Would be nice if you could test and compare those at some point.
@@Lead_Foot What are you talking about? It's only the TV/Monitor that has to supoort it not the PC/Graphics card. If you have a TV with Dolby Vision all you need are games that support it such as Battlefield V to work on PC.
Thanks for the comparison. Oh my C7, Dolby Vision was a huge upgrade for me because of how dim the regular HDR game mode is on the tv. It's enough to hold off on upgrading for another year or two
Thanks for the great video. I was trying to figure which was the best. Sounds like dolby vision has a slight advantage especially for those of us who aren't professional calibrator.
Hey Vincent, I’ve always been a huge fan of your content and please keep the LG / Xbox Series X clips coming!! Just as a quick note here- I’m not sure if you know this, but there are actually a few titles on the Xbox Series X that actually do support Dolby Vision HDR, such as: Gears 5, Halo: The Master Chief Collection and Borderlands 3. Perhaps you can use one of these games in your next Dolby Vision vs HDR10 comparison. I mostly play The Master Chief Collection anyway, so I’ve lucked out big time in this category. The game plays amazing on my LG ZX in Dolby Vision, 120hz, 8K upscaling, with Freesync enabled… Only thing that I was crushed to admit, is that RGB (4:4:4 chroma sampling) does not function with these settings because the Xbox Series X isn’t capable of sending out more than 40 gbps… This was a crushing blow for me, because I’ve only recently even figured out how to get 4:4:4 chroma sampling to even work in my set up through the tutorials in your videos, and it was awesome. I miss the greater specular highlights from 4:4:4, but I’d have to say that Dolby Vision at 120hz with Freesync is worth the trade off, at least on the Master Chief Collection where the game actually supports Dolby Vision.
Dan - recently got a Series X and I'm an LGCX owner. I know that 4:4:4 chroma is enabled by changing the input tag to PC mode, are you saying it doesn't work at all because of the 40gbps limit on Xbox? Or is it because you have AMD freesync enabled? I'm wondering what the best way to play the Master Chief Collection would be, any insight would be greatly appreciated.
@@anomalyLG Maybe I haven’t messed around with it enough- I just left it on 8-bit 4:2:2 chroma after the 120hz Dolby Vision update throttled me back from 10-bit 4:4:4 chroma. It kinda sucks a little bit going backwards like that after having gotten used to 4:4:4, but I guess I assumed I had no other option and thus I really haven’t tried much to fix it. I also turned back on BT.2020 and then turned my reds down a little bit to try and help… It looks better in the MCC to me- but the reds are still kinda washed out in Madden 22. UPDATE: So it appears to be either Dolby Vision 120hz at 4:2:2 or nothing… Freesync doesn’t make an impact- the only way to get 4:4:4 chroma back is to disable Dolby Vision. I can’t even get the tv to work on 4:4:4 with Dolby Vision at 60hz anymore… Even when I put the tv back over into V1 of Dolby Vision and launched it at 60hz it is still 8-Bit at 4:2:2 chroma now… Kinda sucks I can’t seem to go back to 4:4:4 unless I completely disable Dolby Vision. So for my money, you have to play games in Dolby Vision at 120hz instead of regular HDR at 10-but 4:4:4 chroma… Let me know if you can figure it out, but for me this is the best I’ve got. It’s Dolby or nothing - and I’m going with Dolby Vision.
Just wanted to say thank you for so many videos I've watched and because of your input and opinions reviews and the like, I decided the 55" LG C1 OLED tv was a perfect fit for my needs with gaming. And it's... Beautiful. This was such a hard decision to make. But I'm satisfied with this purchase. Thanks you!
Dolby vision can be a game changer! The real difference is in "dynamic" HDR. In theory, every scene can have different settings. I'm not sure if games can make use of that? But imagine Dolby Vision build directly into the engine with different settings for each environment, dynamically calculated, in a cave HDR is different then in the field with grass and different again in a building with windows, i think, this could be amazing and truly "next gen" Could someone find out if epic for example is working on that already? If not, Im the first one thinking about it and want royalty for it :D
The reason people say the Dolby Vision looks much better is probably the placebo effect, the same reason people will claim expensive wines or high resolution audio is much better, but they won't be able to tell the difference in double blind tests. Most enthusiasts will know not to leave the game mode with color temperature at 0
Very true I have a old 2011 plasma and I can't tell the difference to my lg c1 It is all just marketing and we are the lemmings that lap it all up and spend spend spend . In the 90s no one bought a new TV or VCR you just kept the one you had untill it broke. I still think my 1997 Sony Trinitron looks great. 4k Dolby vision hdr10 are all just minor improvements. We have seen nothing like black and white to colour
@@johnphillips7562 depends... to gaming, the input lag is much better than any old TV. Picture quality really depends on you exigency. I have a Plasma and a NanoCell. Plasma picture quality is way ahead, but for gaming, the low input lag from the 2020 TV is just great. Thinking that way, oled is the combination of 2 great things. Good for movies and games. But nothing is like black and white to rgb anymore.
@@MisterRhul Yea I do enjoy the low latency and 120hz gaming. But to be honest for movies I never watch the plasma and think oh I wish I was watching the oled. I didn have a Q90a but returned it for the c1 Led has no contrast or depth.
Fantastic video, Vincent. This content is much appreciated from the OLED/Xbox community. It seems like Dolby Vision games (and indeed the official DV game HDR support) will at least come out this year with Halo Infinite being natively built for it. It will be great to see the difference here.
@@xxxshinomorixxx You don't need it? Bro, I got myself a CX with the Series X launch and the display is actually perfect. You can fire up whatever crappy stuff you have and it will still look amazing.
The dolby vision looks more saturated. But to be fair, when i’m blasting through forza at 300km/h i’m not gonna go “oooooh that specular highlight detail is a tad better”. As long as it looks good, has good shadow detail specifically, and feels smooth i’m good. For movies it’s a different story though
Well i'd rather it keep as much detail as possible. Tbh it is a tad noticable, especially the example of the plane's details at the side being completely blown out. Probably more so in person too than through a compressed YT vid. And if you can keep the detail without losing significant APL then why not.
Honestly Dolby vision seemed to drop brightness everywhere but not in a bad way. It seemed to tone down brightness that wasn't needed or too much and Dolby vision because of this had amazing highlights. I definitely preferred Dolby vision when i had it. Hoping to see it return soon in a finished way and not just testing
Thanks for this helpful video. I think I just made my decision on which 8K TV (been doing a ton of comparing between 8K TVs for the future) I would like to get, it was between the LG QNED99 and the Samsung QN900a (Dolby Vision vs. HDR 10+) and also the LG without VRR vs. the QN900a with VRR (which I think is more important to me since I have a High End PC hooked up to the TV with a NVIDIA GPU that I really need G-Sync Compatibility for reducing tearing) so it came down to the HDR settings at this point. I also have the Xbox Series X and PS5 hooked up to the same TV In this case, my room is a brighter room and I have complained about the Sunlight coming in making the TV I am currently viewing too hard to see during the daytime so the Samsung TV in this case with its superior brightness settings would be a better fit in my case. While it will be a bit of a loss without the Dolby Vision on the Series X, the HDR10+ is just fine in my case (I want to upgrade from a TCL 4k HDR TV, has just "basic" HDR from 2017 and not alot of other features besides a game mode option for input lag). So getting the Samsung QN900a will help take advantage of the new consoles and my PC when I get the next GPU upgrade from my 20 Series NVIDIA GPU. I was leaning towards the LG, but based on the room I am in, the Samsung beats this out.
Microsoft should get rid of the global HDR toggle on Xbox and give us a per game setting. Games with poor HDR are better in SDR. Then of the good ones, some are better in HDR10 and others in DV, yet we have to constantly swap these setting around and it's hard to remember what you use for which game.
Recently discovered your videos after wanting an LG oled tv. Your videos are absolutely the best, most informative and helpful I've seen. Keep it up. Loving my 65" LG c1 and Xbox series x!
I've noticed Dolby vision gaming makes the screen and picture much darker. It wasn't doing that yesterday so maybe the app is having trouble but when Dolby vision kicks on the screen and picture darken significantly
I notice it too. In terms of graphics, it’s really not much of a difference even though many say DV is better graphically. I’d rather have a brighter screen lol.
I think another reason why some people prefer Dolby Vision over HDR is that the TV allows higher ABL and overdrives the panel more while in DV mode. I own an older 2017 model and I can vouch that on my TV lots of conent that hits ABL hard in SDR or HDR mode actually doesn't do that in Dolby Vision mode. I suspect LG is overdriving the panel in DV mode slightly to be able to get Dolby logo on their boxes... :)
On my B9 there is a definite difference between HDR10 (game user preset with HGIG) and Dolby Vision (cinema user preset) when using the same baseline settings for both (50 brightness, OLED light 100, contrast 100, colour 50, warm 2 and all extra processing off) which favours Dolby Vision by having slightly punchier and more pleasing image. Overall it just seems to make the lighting in-game a little more cohesive and natural. Maybe with professional calibration the difference might not be so apparent but using the same settings for both modes does yield a slightly different image. Are the gamma values slightly different between the two modes? One thing I did notice is that even judging by eye I needed to adjust the red tint in CMS to +10 because the reds appeared quite pink/magenta compared to HDR10. Once I'd done that I really do prefer Dolby Vision to HDR10 personally. It also seems to look better with games that utilise Auto HDR. Just a shame I can't have 120hz at the same time but as the majority of games run at 60hz then I tend to leave the console set to 60hz with DV most of the time and only switch to 120hz HDR if I play a game that I use it on (Rocket League for example). The only thing I don't like about Dolby Vision is how bright the Xbox guide is compared to HDR10.
I came here because I'm playing Resident Evil 4 Remake on an Xbox Series X and a 55" LG OLED C2. Playing with Dolby Vision gaming, I noticed that there is no dynamic tone mapping control on the TV's options screen, that is, it is automatic. Therefore, I realized that many test the DV vs HDR features but never in games with dark scenes. Then I realized playing RE4 that in DV Gaming in Resident Evil 4 in dark scenes (other games also in dark scenes), the mapping DV's automatic dynamic tone boosts brightness to a disastrous extent where it appears as if there is a bluish haze on the screen. Switching to HDR and with the HGiG feature turned on, the black tones are as deep as they should be on OLED and the scene is much nicer, because in general it is less bright than in DV. I wish there was a test of this kind of comparison.
After a huge search on the internet trying to find out which is the best way, I didn't come to any conclusion. Some said to disable DV, as games that offer native support for this mode are rare. So I decided to put into practice and test both modes on my LG C2. I noticed that the DV is really clearer and with clearer highlights in some games. And I fell for the bullshit of testing in the DEMO of RE4 Remake. I noticed exactly what you said: DV Mode cleared dark parts of the game that should not be clear. M$ should enable DV Mode only in games with native DV.
@@BR4DOKYBrazil Glad you noticed that too. It seems that in Gears 5 this problem also happens with Dolby Vision. I agree that it should have an Xbox select mode so it only turns on DV when the game is compatible. A feature that has but doesn't work properly...
@@dougramos88 When M$ announced this new feature, I was very excited, since I'm an image/HDR enthusiast. But, in practice, I'm seeing that it doesn't work as it should or as M$ imagined. It's funny that you mention Gears 5. In my research, Gears 5 has native DV and was not supposed to have the same problem as the RE4 Remake. I'm going to test Gears 5 too. Really, games that have HDR settings within the game itself, DV does not work very well.
After trying HDR HGIG alternating back and forth with DV , I find HGIG slightly brighter however there is something about DV that really cooks and has made my decision final to opt for DV , some games tested FH4/5 , Trails fusion , Wreckfest , is it that the peak brightness highlights are popping more maybe , tested on LG C1
I believe another benefit of using Dolby Vision for gaming is how it works on the older LG OLED models. I have both a C7 and a CX. To my knowledge the C7 did not handle HDR signals correctly and it’s version of dynamic tone mapping was a must to use. However in game modes that dynamic tone mapping could not be enabled. This led to HDR games looking less than desired. Using DV on the Xbox seems to fix all of that for gaming on the C7. I think LG fixed the way their TVs handled HDR starting with the C8 but for anyone with a C7 try using DV on the Xbox.
OMFG THIS IS THE COMMENT I WAS LOOKING FOR !! I have the OLED C7 ! And XSX I thought Dolby Vision made it look way better then HDR, made it brighter and darker at the same time! But I wasn’t sure! I totally thought that it would make the older models better! I thought HDR gaming was Dark but Dolby Vision is so bright and Dark too !!
I did several tests on my 55-inch LG OLED C2 and my Xbox Series X and several games. In Dolby Vision, peak brightness increases from 800 to 1000 nits compared to HDR. Theoretically this would be good because it has a brighter screen, but the dynamic tone mapping in some games is disrupted, unlike with HDR and HGiG enabled. In HDR, HGiG enhances areas containing lighting by up to 800 nits. So much so that you must notice when switching from HGiG to dynamic tone mapping that in HGiG it gets darker, but that's not it, the image is really dark, and HGiG has the function of highlighting the illuminated areas, so much so that in darker areas clear, HGiG makes the screen brighter, if you switch to mapping it tends to stay the same or get darker. In DV, it is as if dynamic mapping was enabled at all times but trying to correct the HGiG brightnesses, but in darker areas it acts in a way that the shadows are lighter than they should be. I was playing Resident Evil 4 remake with DV and in a part of the castle, where there should be black shadows, they were reddish. For some reason DV doesn't work 100% perfectly with games as it should. So it's better to use HDR for a more accurate image.
On my 4 year old XE93, 1500nits and Dolby Vision capable, Dolby Vision to me is a clear improvement in not only highlight detail, but the colours certainly are deeper, less oversaturated and more realistic.
I’ve been playing with DV active since the update and haven’t noticed a difference in performance so will be sticking with this. Can’t wait to see how Halo Infinite performs!
Vincent, I'm impressed with your incredible knowledge!!! Great video! If you have the time please recommend a good video on your thoughts about Dolby Vision content on Netflix and Disney+, I have been not impressed at all and at times I have been forced to turn down the quality at to avoid the Dolby Vision as the screen is keeps diming and the backlight is stuck at 50 out of 100 (Too bright at night, to dim during the day) and it's annoying that the backlight keeps changing with the scenes. From my understanding lots of the content is not native and just been 'automatically converted'. I got a cheaper 800 dollar 4k Dolby Vision QLED Kogan TV as that's all I can afford. Thank you for not passing any judgment for being a poor man brother :)
Hi. First of all I love your videos. Keep on good work. I’ve got an question. My LG BX recent update eliminated possibility to play in 120 hz in hdr..why?
Dolby Vision looks way better to me. It makes the games seem way more immersive..colors and lighting/shadows are ridiculous. I’m part of the Xbox insider program and when Dolby Vision was gone for a second , I immediately noticed the difference ! HDR colors seems to be flat compared to Dolby. Now If you have Dolby Vision and Atmos on a LG C1 you’re golden ! 👌🏾👌🏾
Yeah because Dolby Vision always selects wide colour gamut (native panel colour) HDR is more of a correct image imo, as good as i like Dolby Vision for 4K movies via my ub820 Panasonic player. I dont think when this gets fully implemented on Series X i would select it for gaming, iam not a fan of wide colour on, yeah it looks nice for showing off the screen for 10 mins. But i like natural colour far better, then again i dont like having Oled Light or Contrast at full, on my 65” C8 its too bright imo. (Just purchased a 48” C1 for gaming in bedroom, £899 just had to be done👍)
Hey Vincent did you know that the Alpha Rings of the Xbox Insider Program now offer 2 toggles for Dolby Vision. One is says “Allow Dolby Vision” and the other “Allow Dolby Vision Games”.
@@johnphillips7562 are you sure your TV supports Dolby Vision? And other detail is if you’re using the 120fps mode very very few TV can activate DV plus 120. Try using 60fps and check if DV works.
@@spacedovahkiin1364 Nothing works it is impossible. I have no idea how people are doing it. I have tried 60fps forcing off HDR through the Xbox and flight sim dirt 5 just default to HDR . Vincent is doing it On my television it is a 48 inch lg c1
@@Dreadpirateflappy You ponies are full of shit lmao. Gamepass is the Netflix of gaming around the world. And it money profit is something sony never would reach.
I found it odd that LG made its default settings so cold out of the box for both Game mode and HDR10. It was the first thing that struck me about the TV. I can't imagine how many people never know to make the picture warmer in order to get better colors and just live with the very cold image, or change it over to Cinema mode for gaming (and losing some input response in the process).
I’ve owned an LG for five years and that’s my biggest complaint, I’m always having to adjust the color because as recent testing exposed, LG’s colored gradiation isn’t very good. This alone has pushed me towards Sony because it seems to be more accurate out of the box. I have an adjustment exhaustion, LOL
@@senseisprotege3632 well it's not too bad once you know where to go to adjust it, but also odd that they are adjusted in two different ways depending on the picture setting (the slider W50-C50 method, and the Temperature Cool/Warm1/Warm2 setting).
@@pogtuber5146 Exactly & well said. I also found that odd as they seem to work against each other. Also, spent the time setting all the color numbers to the calibration provided online. The source material dictates everything, so that surely adds to it as we've had more options now than any time in human history. My hope is that XR processor by Sony eliminates most of those gradient issues between sources.
@@senseisprotege3632 I never set the individual color numbers are that's going too far into it and I'm not having any problem with those numbers I Don't think, except with maybe red which seems more saturated than other colors in some games. I suppose I would have to go into some kind of setup/display website or program in order to calibrate very specifically
@@pogtuber5146 I believe it was numbers provided by Cnet. Their post calibration numbers. Warm1. But tint also to R1. Then they had a bunch of individual positive and negative values for each color in the color management settings. Which isn't available in Game Mode, only Cinema & ISO Expert modes. HD movies look insanely good after I applied the values. It was mainly gaming and SD content that suffered.
Another great demo vincent credit to you mate for taking the time to do this must take a lot of hard work to get it right i have the c1 myself and will take note of these settings i couldnt help but mention though in the past ive noticed with the blu ray app which its self needs updating so badly by the way this past week or so ive noticed its so laggy and not smooth at all am a sucker for playing blu ray dvds on the series x and when i go to put the xbox in pc mode most of the normal picture settings are greyed out and you cant change them so whats best to do on that part ?
Really dont understand why guides always like these warm temperature colors with everything having an yellow tone, to me it seems like it washes all the other colors. I guess it is to simulate an movie that plays on the theaters but i always liked the more clean image from my home TVs, and games dont have anything to do with theaters so why recommend this to games as well?
I really don’t like the yellow looking filter either. It’s like I’ve got night mode engaged when playing a game. White doesn’t look white and has a sepia color to it. Playing a racing game makes it very obvious just looking at the speedometer.
It's something you get used to after a few days/weeks. When you get used to it, and then change back to "normal" or "cool" (or however your TV terms it) it looks off. Warm is used because it matches natural daylight most accurately. The reason behind the yellowish-white is due to the RGB pixels on most TVs, but modern TVs have introduced different ways to go about it so the whites appear white. That said, it's not perceptibly always like that, especially in HDR. The thing that needs to be done is, if you want the most accurate image, change it to that, and live with it for a few weeks. The most recent thing I had to get used to was turning the backlight on my LCD down for SDR titles as I always wanted parity between SDR and HDR for TV settings, and having backlight low seemed too dim even in my near-pitch-black room environment, but now I'm so used to it that trying high backlight settings hurts my eyes. Calibrated settings for TVs are the same for games and films/shows. It should be noted though, you use what looks best to you, that's what's most important, although, at that point, videos like this are useless.
Do you really advice to game on new OLED TV's? I saw an RTINGS burn in test, and the results are really "burnt". My 55 C1 is delivering and I'm really confused about what to do with it..
Just avoid prolonged static elements on the screen as much as you can & it should be okay. That however never guarantees something won't burn in. That's just how it's going to be with OLED.
Dolby vision is in a completely different league from hdr10. Think you meant to compare it to hdr10+ which it still loses out to but the differences are barely noticeable
@@rolan5948 maybe I did mean to compare it to HDR10 plus. I can be wrong at times I'm learning new things every day. Hope you wasn't trying to criticize me my friend?
I don't understand how games can have Dolby Vision? I thought the idea was that in movies / TV series, you can control the image scene by scene to produce an image as intended by the director. But in games, every scene depends on user input and is gonna be different for each person and played differently. I don't get it, can someone please explain?
So what did you calibrate the tv and xbox with before doing these tests, was it with hgig or dynamic toning on in the hdr xbox app ? as they will give you both completely different results ?
i still don't buy that warm 50 is neutral white. i put a white field on my tv, then i configured my phone's screen to show visually the same white on its screen. then i took a photo of the TV displaying the white field with the pro mode camera so what i saw in the phone's screen matches real life. then i asked photoshop what it thinks of the whites. right in the middle of the pink tint of the screen, which is where i focus my calibration, it read the RGB values of RED 212, Green 210, Blue 215. Slightly blueish pink, but pretty damn close to neutral white. with color temperature set to ZERO. the edges of the screen (48" oled used as monitor) look very cyanish (R 165, G 182, B 189) but it's the middle that matters most, and on warm 50 it looks yellow af. i know my "tools" are rough, but the reading matches with my perception. to me, warm 3 with a little bit of green boost on high point is the most neutral tone. it's easy to say a sunset scene looks better and more impactful on warm colors. they do too on my amber sunglasses. in contrast, a scene of a blue sky over a blue ocean water will look green. idk there must be something i'm missing for warm 50 to be considered neural. it looks extremely yellow. maybe the edges that are clearly cyanish on these settings might look proper white with the middle looking extra pink, idk. all i know is i hate this pink tint thing. i wish i could make the whole screen the same color temperature instead of having to hide it with very dark dark themes.
Since most games do not have native DV support I don't think it's much better at the moment. It's sort of just faking it and creating dynamic metadata out of an HDR10 stream. At least it's not any big difference. I suspect it will be when it's properly mastered and done for gaming. Heck, many games that claim to do HDR doesn't even really do proper HDR10. Just increase saturation and light. I've heard of examples like that. Basically no more than cranking the brightness in SDR and raising color. DV for movies and shows it has an impact. In gaming, it's yet to come. At least IMO.
Thanks for the video. Should PC mode be enabled always for any game from an Xbox Series X to an LG G1 then to achieve 444 chroma? Is there any downside when using pc mode for gaming? Thanks!
No downside for gaming. Only downside is if you stream movies and watch blurays. So if you don’t for sure use PC mode. Full chroma and less banding in 4K/120 mode.
@@christiansoneson5631 Thanks a lot, this raises another question, I have my PC plugged to the G1 just for watching movies, no games at all with the PC. Should I avoid the use of PC mode in the TV HDMI from the PC as I will only use it to watch movies?
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We can say we can use force dolby vison on apple tv and have more highlights that on hdr native like on amazon prime video force it or you recommend to use the native signal
@ 6:08 i see freesync is showing the proper Hz instead of 5:5. Is this something an LG GX/CX owner can look forward to with the 120fps Dolby Vision 4k software update coming to us soon?
Honestly I love my GX so much but there has only ever been one thing I don’t like about it and it is that problem right there. I want to know the true value instead of trying to do maths with ratios on a number that is jumping around like a gymnast who has a case of the twisties.
Edit: Spelling like a librarian with a case of the squinties
will you upload a video for series x settings?
Great comparison video!
To all Xbox gamers who play on the One X, I realised yesterday that in 4K mode the One X has awful animation lag, this means every movement such as jumping and melee has input lag despite my equipment has no lag problem.
Playing on 1080p one the One X is more ideal for multiplayer!
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This is one of the best channels on TH-cam.
For sure !!
What is the difference betwenn YCBCR 4.2.2 8b 4LB and YCBCR 4.2.2 8b TM????🙏🙏🙏
Yes
This is Vincent's low key flex of having 2 Xboxes.
The best of the best. Who wouldnt with a working brain
Not really, I had 3 xbsx and 8 ps5s
@@samarryll512 😂🤦♂️
@@ArtVandelayOfficial well I'm serious, sold two xbsx and all the ps5s, even my personal, it isn't as hard as people claim
@@samarryll512 so you're a scalper ?
Vincent is a Legend and truly deserves more exposure, thank you for your thorough reviews and deep dives into calibration and settings for us.
He doesn't want any more exposure because then he'll have to use both hands to cover his "media remote".
*DING!*
Vincent is my name and thank you
Thanks very much for taking the time to do this analysis that no one else can to your level. Please do revisit it when native DV games are released. Hopefully the picture output is triggered per title instead of an always on option - something like the Apple TV match content option.
I have noticed even in movies that Dolby Vision has a slightly lower APL than HDR10. I think that's just the way it is. Sacrifice some total brightness to get a hair of highlight detail back.
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The OLED TVs are way too dark and on top of that shows extreme black. Does not work for me.
@@bobbycooke6159 Not the Sony A90J which does 1000-1300 nits
so cant you just decrease some brightness on HDR10 for the same thing? would like to see someone eyeball it to similar brightness, and see differences in overall color gamut then
For me with the Hisense dual cell its the complete opposite. DV has a significant improvement in APL and has better tone mapping. HDR10 does have more clipping for highlights. Colors are superior also on DV. With my OLED and Sony LCD I rarely saw a noticeable difference in most TV or movies between the two. Mainly just a little more saturation and occasionally a little step up in clarity
HDR is great but the fact that you need to adjust it in order for it to display properly makes it a loss for most people, then each game has its own setup and they are generally horrible
That's why they are releasing hdmi 2.1a this year, comes with a new feature called Source-Based Tone Mapping (SBTM). "SBTM is an improvement on HDR technology that lets your video source (PC, game console, etc) handle HDR tone-mapping for your TV or monitor. SBTM ends the need for manual HDR calibration. It should also improve video quality and reduce glitches on screens showing both HDR and SDR content simultaneously-something that’s fairly common in video editing and livestreaming."
@CoolhandLukeSkywalkr wow... this sounds incredible. So how does this work for older tvs that don't have hdmi 2.1a? My gpu, TV, cables are all just 2.1 so does that mean I need all new tv,gpu,TV, to take advantage of this? It seems like something that shouldn't need a bandwidth increase. Will a firmware achieve this?
@@randybobandy9828 Yeah, for hdmi 2.1a to work, everything in your chain of devices must have hdmi 2.1a also: "It’s expected that most source devices and displays sold in the last few years will be firmware updatable to support HDMI 2.1a, but we have no way of knowing exactly which companies and which products will do so. There’s no guarantee that just because your TV is physically capable of working with HDMI 2.1a, your manufacturer will choose to issue an update." - Digital Trends
That's why PlayStation 5 has auto tone mapping when used with a Sony Bravia XR TV.
Ikr. Ive tried hdr abd dolby both but they both make my picture look washed out and the colour faded. Even after changing the specific game hdr settings. I just default to my settings for the tv.
I will be interested to see a comparison when we actually start to get native Dolby Vision games.
Mass Effect Andromeda have it on PC, not sure if in console.
@@brewmonger666 Xbox SX has it
Despite the fact that dolby vision is nice.
Did you all knew that Halo 3 had real HDR lighting?
That's why the effects looked darn good that time.
Sad that there was no Oled and 4K at the time.
Battlefield One on PC supports Dolby Vision as well as Mass Effect Andromeda.
Gears of War 5 is also Dolby Vision
You’re right.
I totally agree with you.
Once I bought my LG OLED CX 55 that I always use an HDR10 for gaming, and I recently decided to try a Dolby vision for gaming, and I felt there is something wrong. Yes I can see some slight details to Dolby vision, but the picture it’s darker in a strange way since most games out there they don’t have a native Dolby vision, and when you use a Dolby vision to Xbox series X games that which means the signal has been converted from HDR10 to Dolby vision.
The matter of fact I was much enjoying to play games on HDR10 since it’s more colorful, and more brighter, that even if you miss some slight details of the picture for HDR10 due to the brightness that it doesn’t matter since you’re playing a native HDR10 video games, and that’s also applying for watching a movies in HDR format. So I suggest you guys stick to HDR format until the new video games launch a native Dolby vision to see the different in between.
I'm just starting my research but let me tell you. I appreciate this comment of yours. It def if very informative and goes a long way
@@XxLaMaravish13xX HDR10 for gaming is now the King until the new incomings games launch a native Dolby Vision for gaming.
I great recap, very informative thank you!
Yes, you have to do another test when the games are developed with DV support.
Vincent, apparently Battlefield 1 supports Dolby Vision natively, same as the PC version of Mass Effect Andromeda. Would be nice if you could test and compare those at some point.
The only pcs that support dolby vision are some laptops where the oem paid for the license.
@@Lead_Foot What are you talking about? It's only the TV/Monitor that has to supoort it not the PC/Graphics card. If you have a TV with Dolby Vision all you need are games that support it such as Battlefield V to work on PC.
@@theblackswordsman9951 for media DV doesn't work unless it is those oem pcs and you use the windows 10 app, I dont know about those games though
Andromeda doesn’t support dolby vision it’s broken and they will not fix a game they no longer support
Pretty sure DV in bf1 was/ is broken.
Thanks for the comparison. Oh my C7, Dolby Vision was a huge upgrade for me because of how dim the regular HDR game mode is on the tv. It's enough to hold off on upgrading for another year or two
Very cool to see how much support both LG and you, Vincent, have shown the CX series. Thanks for the info on this update.
Thanks for the great video. I was trying to figure which was the best. Sounds like dolby vision has a slight advantage especially for those of us who aren't professional calibrator.
Hey Vincent, I’ve always been a huge fan of your content and please keep the LG / Xbox Series X clips coming!! Just as a quick note here- I’m not sure if you know this, but there are actually a few titles on the Xbox Series X that actually do support Dolby Vision HDR, such as: Gears 5, Halo: The Master Chief Collection and Borderlands 3. Perhaps you can use one of these games in your next Dolby Vision vs HDR10 comparison. I mostly play The Master Chief Collection anyway, so I’ve lucked out big time in this category. The game plays amazing on my LG ZX in Dolby Vision, 120hz, 8K upscaling, with Freesync enabled… Only thing that I was crushed to admit, is that RGB (4:4:4 chroma sampling) does not function with these settings because the Xbox Series X isn’t capable of sending out more than 40 gbps… This was a crushing blow for me, because I’ve only recently even figured out how to get 4:4:4 chroma sampling to even work in my set up through the tutorials in your videos, and it was awesome. I miss the greater specular highlights from 4:4:4, but I’d have to say that Dolby Vision at 120hz with Freesync is worth the trade off, at least on the Master Chief Collection where the game actually supports Dolby Vision.
Dan - recently got a Series X and I'm an LGCX owner. I know that 4:4:4 chroma is enabled by changing the input tag to PC mode, are you saying it doesn't work at all because of the 40gbps limit on Xbox? Or is it because you have AMD freesync enabled? I'm wondering what the best way to play the Master Chief Collection would be, any insight would be greatly appreciated.
@@anomalyLG Maybe I haven’t messed around with it enough- I just left it on 8-bit 4:2:2 chroma after the 120hz Dolby Vision update throttled me back from 10-bit 4:4:4 chroma. It kinda sucks a little bit going backwards like that after having gotten used to 4:4:4, but I guess I assumed I had no other option and thus I really haven’t tried much to fix it. I also turned back on BT.2020 and then turned my reds down a little bit to try and help… It looks better in the MCC to me- but the reds are still kinda washed out in Madden 22.
UPDATE: So it appears to be either Dolby Vision 120hz at 4:2:2 or nothing… Freesync doesn’t make an impact- the only way to get 4:4:4 chroma back is to disable Dolby Vision. I can’t even get the tv to work on 4:4:4 with Dolby Vision at 60hz anymore… Even when I put the tv back over into V1 of Dolby Vision and launched it at 60hz it is still 8-Bit at 4:2:2 chroma now… Kinda sucks I can’t seem to go back to 4:4:4 unless I completely disable Dolby Vision. So for my money, you have to play games in Dolby Vision at 120hz instead of regular HDR at 10-but 4:4:4 chroma… Let me know if you can figure it out, but for me this is the best I’ve got. It’s Dolby or nothing - and I’m going with Dolby Vision.
@@danbanasik2212 I will try to play the MCC in 120hz Dolby Vision on the PC mode and let you know if it keeps 444 chroma. Thanks for the response!
I just noticed the same when playing cold war in dolby vision compared to HDR
Excellent video Vincent. I personally prefer HDR at 120Hz. I only use Dolby Vision when games don't have an in-game calibration tool.
How to activate it?
Just wanted to say thank you for so many videos I've watched and because of your input and opinions reviews and the like, I decided the 55" LG C1 OLED tv was a perfect fit for my needs with gaming. And it's... Beautiful. This was such a hard decision to make. But I'm satisfied with this purchase. Thanks you!
My exact model too! Love it
Thanks again Vince 🙏 Definitely do the native comparison when you can! I'll be there within minutes.
Dolby vision can be a game changer! The real difference is in "dynamic" HDR. In theory, every scene can have different settings. I'm not sure if games can make use of that? But imagine Dolby Vision build directly into the engine with different settings for each environment, dynamically calculated, in a cave HDR is different then in the field with grass and different again in a building with windows, i think, this could be amazing and truly "next gen" Could someone find out if epic for example is working on that already? If not, Im the first one thinking about it and want royalty for it :D
The reason people say the Dolby Vision looks much better is probably the placebo effect, the same reason people will claim expensive wines or high resolution audio is much better, but they won't be able to tell the difference in double blind tests. Most enthusiasts will know not to leave the game mode with color temperature at 0
Agreed
Very true I have a old 2011 plasma and I can't tell the difference to my lg c1
It is all just marketing and we are the lemmings that lap it all up and spend spend spend .
In the 90s no one bought a new TV or VCR you just kept the one you had untill it broke.
I still think my 1997 Sony Trinitron looks great.
4k Dolby vision hdr10 are all just minor improvements.
We have seen nothing like black and white to colour
@@johnphillips7562 depends... to gaming, the input lag is much better than any old TV. Picture quality really depends on you exigency. I have a Plasma and a NanoCell. Plasma picture quality is way ahead, but for gaming, the low input lag from the 2020 TV is just great. Thinking that way, oled is the combination of 2 great things. Good for movies and games. But nothing is like black and white to rgb anymore.
@@MisterRhul
Yea I do enjoy the low latency and 120hz gaming.
But to be honest for movies I never watch the plasma and think oh I wish I was watching the oled.
I didn have a Q90a but returned it for the c1
Led has no contrast or depth.
@@johnphillips7562 now that is just bullshit.🤣🤣🤣
Awesome clip, thanks Vincent! I’m a LG OLED and Series X owner so these are my favorite types of clips to watch on TH-cam
So cringe🤢🤮🤧
@@KyleViewing Simpstation fan much?
Fantastic and thorough deep dive into how these consoles play with today’s high def television. Thank you Mr. Vincent for the quality content.
Fantastic video, Vincent. This content is much appreciated from the OLED/Xbox community. It seems like Dolby Vision games (and indeed the official DV game HDR support) will at least come out this year with Halo Infinite being natively built for it. It will be great to see the difference here.
Already wanted a C1 to play Halo at 120Hz, why are telling me this and making me by a C1 when i don't really need it?
@@xxxshinomorixxx You don't need it? Bro, I got myself a CX with the Series X launch and the display is actually perfect. You can fire up whatever crappy stuff you have and it will still look amazing.
Rest In Peace to our hope for good DV support in halo
@@TheShifty360 Yeah... hopefully things will get worked out.
@@TheShifty360 I belive over time they will get to this, but not a priority right now. Have Dolby vision disabled as Halo is my mai game right now
Vincent proceeds to buy a third Xbox and calls it... Series XXX...
The dolby vision looks more saturated. But to be fair, when i’m blasting through forza at 300km/h i’m not gonna go “oooooh that specular highlight detail is a tad better”. As long as it looks good, has good shadow detail specifically, and feels smooth i’m good. For movies it’s a different story though
Well i'd rather it keep as much detail as possible. Tbh it is a tad noticable, especially the example of the plane's details at the side being completely blown out. Probably more so in person too than through a compressed YT vid. And if you can keep the detail without losing significant APL then why not.
@@theblackswordsman9951 but in my opinion posterization is way worse than a tiny bit overblown highlights
Do the test again and try Gears 5. They updated their game to support Dolby vision.
Would love to see this guy compare the best CRT monitors/displays against the latest OLEDs.
Let the crt bullshit die on digital foundry thanks.
Honestly Dolby vision seemed to drop brightness everywhere but not in a bad way. It seemed to tone down brightness that wasn't needed or too much and Dolby vision because of this had amazing highlights.
I definitely preferred Dolby vision when i had it. Hoping to see it return soon in a finished way and not just testing
Have to test Halo Infinite in december, first game to have native DV.
great video!
Thanks for this helpful video. I think I just made my decision on which 8K TV (been doing a ton of comparing between 8K TVs for the future) I would like to get, it was between the LG QNED99 and the Samsung QN900a (Dolby Vision vs. HDR 10+) and also the LG without VRR vs. the QN900a with VRR (which I think is more important to me since I have a High End PC hooked up to the TV with a NVIDIA GPU that I really need G-Sync Compatibility for reducing tearing) so it came down to the HDR settings at this point. I also have the Xbox Series X and PS5 hooked up to the same TV In this case, my room is a brighter room and I have complained about the Sunlight coming in making the TV I am currently viewing too hard to see during the daytime so the Samsung TV in this case with its superior brightness settings would be a better fit in my case. While it will be a bit of a loss without the Dolby Vision on the Series X, the HDR10+ is just fine in my case (I want to upgrade from a TCL 4k HDR TV, has just "basic" HDR from 2017 and not alot of other features besides a game mode option for input lag). So getting the Samsung QN900a will help take advantage of the new consoles and my PC when I get the next GPU upgrade from my 20 Series NVIDIA GPU. I was leaning towards the LG, but based on the room I am in, the Samsung beats this out.
One of the best channels on TH-cam thank you guys ✌️
Can't believe Vincent & Vincent bought an extra Xbox when it's so hard for normal people to get just one.
It hard at all.I got one and it’s awesome
Microsoft should get rid of the global HDR toggle on Xbox and give us a per game setting. Games with poor HDR are better in SDR. Then of the good ones, some are better in HDR10 and others in DV, yet we have to constantly swap these setting around and it's hard to remember what you use for which game.
Recently discovered your videos after wanting an LG oled tv. Your videos are absolutely the best, most informative and helpful I've seen. Keep it up. Loving my 65" LG c1 and Xbox series x!
I've noticed Dolby vision gaming makes the screen and picture much darker. It wasn't doing that yesterday so maybe the app is having trouble but when Dolby vision kicks on the screen and picture darken significantly
I notice it too. In terms of graphics, it’s really not much of a difference even though many say DV is better graphically. I’d rather have a brighter screen lol.
Turn off hdr and just leave dolby vision on, you gonna see the difference
Turn off hdr and hdr10 and just have dolby vision on, trust me you wont go back
I think another reason why some people prefer Dolby Vision over HDR is that the TV allows higher ABL and overdrives the panel more while in DV mode. I own an older 2017 model and I can vouch that on my TV lots of conent that hits ABL hard in SDR or HDR mode actually doesn't do that in Dolby Vision mode. I suspect LG is overdriving the panel in DV mode slightly to be able to get Dolby logo on their boxes... :)
On my B9 there is a definite difference between HDR10 (game user preset with HGIG) and Dolby Vision (cinema user preset) when using the same baseline settings for both (50 brightness, OLED light 100, contrast 100, colour 50, warm 2 and all extra processing off) which favours Dolby Vision by having slightly punchier and more pleasing image. Overall it just seems to make the lighting in-game a little more cohesive and natural. Maybe with professional calibration the difference might not be so apparent but using the same settings for both modes does yield a slightly different image. Are the gamma values slightly different between the two modes?
One thing I did notice is that even judging by eye I needed to adjust the red tint in CMS to +10 because the reds appeared quite pink/magenta compared to HDR10. Once I'd done that I really do prefer Dolby Vision to HDR10 personally. It also seems to look better with games that utilise Auto HDR. Just a shame I can't have 120hz at the same time but as the majority of games run at 60hz then I tend to leave the console set to 60hz with DV most of the time and only switch to 120hz HDR if I play a game that I use it on (Rocket League for example).
The only thing I don't like about Dolby Vision is how bright the Xbox guide is compared to HDR10.
Can you share the updated recommendations for LGCX settings? Thank you!
We are so lucky to have you Vincent!
Great comparison video! I would love more of this in the future
I came here because I'm playing Resident Evil 4 Remake on an Xbox Series X and a 55" LG OLED C2. Playing with Dolby Vision gaming, I noticed that there is no dynamic tone mapping control on the TV's options screen, that is, it is automatic. Therefore, I realized that many test the DV vs HDR features but never in games with dark scenes. Then I realized playing RE4 that in DV Gaming in Resident Evil 4 in dark scenes (other games also in dark scenes), the mapping DV's automatic dynamic tone boosts brightness to a disastrous extent where it appears as if there is a bluish haze on the screen.
Switching to HDR and with the HGiG feature turned on, the black tones are as deep as they should be on OLED and the scene is much nicer, because in general it is less bright than in DV. I wish there was a test of this kind of comparison.
After a huge search on the internet trying to find out which is the best way, I didn't come to any conclusion. Some said to disable DV, as games that offer native support for this mode are rare. So I decided to put into practice and test both modes on my LG C2. I noticed that the DV is really clearer and with clearer highlights in some games. And I fell for the bullshit of testing in the DEMO of RE4 Remake. I noticed exactly what you said: DV Mode cleared dark parts of the game that should not be clear. M$ should enable DV Mode only in games with native DV.
@@BR4DOKYBrazil Glad you noticed that too. It seems that in Gears 5 this problem also happens with Dolby Vision. I agree that it should have an Xbox select mode so it only turns on DV when the game is compatible. A feature that has but doesn't work properly...
@@dougramos88
When M$ announced this new feature, I was very excited, since I'm an image/HDR enthusiast. But, in practice, I'm seeing that it doesn't work as it should or as M$ imagined. It's funny that you mention Gears 5. In my research, Gears 5 has native DV and was not supposed to have the same problem as the RE4 Remake. I'm going to test Gears 5 too. Really, games that have HDR settings within the game itself, DV does not work very well.
@@dougramos88
Are you Brazilian?
@@BR4DOKYBrazil yes
I always use DV but only because I like to see the DV logo pop up when I start a game..
LG ADD DOLBY VISION 120 hz to the C9, ya know the tv that can actually handle the full bandwidth.
I wish they would too but it might not be able to handle the processing -- I bet it could though.
You are legendary and the more comparisons the better!
After trying HDR HGIG alternating back and forth with DV , I find HGIG slightly brighter however there is something about DV that really cooks and has made my decision final to opt for DV , some games tested FH4/5 , Trails fusion , Wreckfest , is it that the peak brightness highlights are popping more maybe , tested on LG C1
I believe another benefit of using Dolby Vision for gaming is how it works on the older LG OLED models. I have both a C7 and a CX. To my knowledge the C7 did not handle HDR signals correctly and it’s version of dynamic tone mapping was a must to use. However in game modes that dynamic tone mapping could not be enabled. This led to HDR games looking less than desired. Using DV on the Xbox seems to fix all of that for gaming on the C7. I think LG fixed the way their TVs handled HDR starting with the C8 but for anyone with a C7 try using DV on the Xbox.
OMFG THIS IS THE COMMENT I WAS LOOKING FOR !! I have the OLED C7 ! And XSX I thought Dolby Vision made it look way better then HDR, made it brighter and darker at the same time! But I wasn’t sure! I totally thought that it would make the older models better! I thought HDR gaming was Dark but Dolby Vision is so bright and Dark too !!
thx for the tipp regarding HDR10 at the end of the video
The guy looks like technology. As soon as I seen him I knew he was legit
Excellent comparision and world class content as always !
Great video but I'm still waiting for LG to give CX the update. Any word on when that will be?
@Ryan Simmons Oh wow.. I had no idea this was a thing. Got a link? TY.
@Ryan Simmons which also fucks many other settings up and can't be switched back.
Great comparison, I've had to turn VRR off on my CX because on flight simulator the flickering is terrible when flying at night!
Disable Live Plus option for the flickering
Another amazing video! So there are two Vincents?
I'd be interested in that comparison with a native Dolby Vision game whenever we get one
I did several tests on my 55-inch LG OLED C2 and my Xbox Series X and several games.
In Dolby Vision, peak brightness increases from 800 to 1000 nits compared to HDR.
Theoretically this would be good because it has a brighter screen, but the dynamic tone mapping in some games is disrupted, unlike with HDR and HGiG enabled.
In HDR, HGiG enhances areas containing lighting by up to 800 nits. So much so that you must notice when switching from HGiG to dynamic tone mapping that in HGiG it gets darker, but that's not it, the image is really dark, and HGiG has the function of highlighting the illuminated areas, so much so that in darker areas clear, HGiG makes the screen brighter, if you switch to mapping it tends to stay the same or get darker.
In DV, it is as if dynamic mapping was enabled at all times but trying to correct the HGiG brightnesses, but in darker areas it acts in a way that the shadows are lighter than they should be.
I was playing Resident Evil 4 remake with DV and in a part of the castle, where there should be black shadows, they were reddish.
For some reason DV doesn't work 100% perfectly with games as it should. So it's better to use HDR for a more accurate image.
On my 4 year old XE93, 1500nits and Dolby Vision capable, Dolby Vision to me is a clear improvement in not only highlight detail, but the colours certainly are deeper, less oversaturated and more realistic.
I just feel like my C9 and XSX were made for each other !! Very happy with the experience
I just feel like my C1 77 and ps5 were made for each other very nice.
I love your videos. Keep up the great work!!!
I’ve been playing with DV active since the update and haven’t noticed a difference in performance so will be sticking with this. Can’t wait to see how Halo Infinite performs!
I was curious about performance also people make it seem like the response or lag is way worse but I just got the firmware I'll try today
@@LonghornsLegend performance feels just as good for me as when I had HDR10/HGiG enabled
@M P Change your TV picture settings to medium.
I disabled Dolby Vision Gaming on my XBOX Series X and the pic looks stunning!
It will look even better if you disable hdr and hdr10 and use dolby vision only
Vincent, I'm impressed with your incredible knowledge!!! Great video!
If you have the time please recommend a good video on your thoughts about Dolby Vision content on Netflix and Disney+, I have been not impressed at all and at times I have been forced to turn down the quality at to avoid the Dolby Vision as the screen is keeps diming and the backlight is stuck at 50 out of 100 (Too bright at night, to dim during the day) and it's annoying that the backlight keeps changing with the scenes. From my understanding lots of the content is not native and just been 'automatically converted'. I got a cheaper 800 dollar 4k Dolby Vision QLED Kogan TV as that's all I can afford. Thank you for not passing any judgment for being a poor man brother :)
Hi. First of all I love your videos. Keep on good work. I’ve got an question. My LG BX recent update eliminated possibility to play in 120 hz in hdr..why?
Dolby Vision looks way better to me. It makes the games seem way more immersive..colors and lighting/shadows are ridiculous. I’m part of the Xbox insider program and when Dolby Vision was gone for a second , I immediately noticed the difference ! HDR colors seems to be flat compared to Dolby. Now If you have Dolby Vision and Atmos on a LG C1 you’re golden ! 👌🏾👌🏾
Yeah because Dolby Vision always selects wide colour gamut (native panel colour) HDR is more of a correct image imo, as good as i like Dolby Vision for 4K movies via my ub820 Panasonic player.
I dont think when this gets fully implemented on Series X i would select it for gaming, iam not a fan of wide colour on, yeah it looks nice for showing off the screen for 10 mins. But i like natural colour far better, then again i dont like having Oled Light or Contrast at full, on my 65” C8 its too bright imo.
(Just purchased a 48” C1 for gaming in bedroom, £899 just had to be done👍)
Agreed
I'd love to see you doing a similar side by side comparison of the Sony 124-UB vs Binatone Starvision both running Atari 2600 or Mattel Intellivision.
Ok
Hey Vincent did you know that the Alpha Rings of the Xbox Insider Program now offer 2 toggles for Dolby Vision. One is says “Allow Dolby Vision” and the other “Allow Dolby Vision Games”.
Could you tell me how to allow Dolby vision gaming
@@johnphillips7562 inside TV & display options go to video modes I believe. It’s where you can toggle autoHDR and the other stuff.
@@spacedovahkiin1364
Thanks tried all that everything on it always defaults to hdr
@@johnphillips7562 are you sure your TV supports Dolby Vision? And other detail is if you’re using the 120fps mode very very few TV can activate DV plus 120. Try using 60fps and check if DV works.
@@spacedovahkiin1364
Nothing works it is impossible.
I have no idea how people are doing it.
I have tried 60fps forcing off HDR through the Xbox and flight sim dirt 5 just default to HDR .
Vincent is doing it
On my television it is a 48 inch lg c1
Thank you for making this test, I buy LG Oled and trying making best settings for gaming, still don't know what is better HDR 10+ or Dolby Vision.
Xbox has been on fire. Love the content they have and Gamepass ofcourse.
Gamepass is trash! Ridiculous price for a rental service that rotates their game very month.
@@YoYo-uh3xj rofl
dumpster fire... Game pass is literally the only thing it has going for it, and it's better on PC.
Xbox has no actual exclusive content.
@@Dreadpirateflappy You ponies are full of shit lmao. Gamepass is the Netflix of gaming around the world. And it money profit is something sony never would reach.
Great as ever Vincent, thank you!
I found it odd that LG made its default settings so cold out of the box for both Game mode and HDR10. It was the first thing that struck me about the TV. I can't imagine how many people never know to make the picture warmer in order to get better colors and just live with the very cold image, or change it over to Cinema mode for gaming (and losing some input response in the process).
I’ve owned an LG for five years and that’s my biggest complaint, I’m always having to adjust the color because as recent testing exposed, LG’s colored gradiation isn’t very good. This alone has pushed me towards Sony because it seems to be more accurate out of the box. I have an adjustment exhaustion, LOL
@@senseisprotege3632 well it's not too bad once you know where to go to adjust it, but also odd that they are adjusted in two different ways depending on the picture setting (the slider W50-C50 method, and the Temperature Cool/Warm1/Warm2 setting).
@@pogtuber5146 Exactly & well said. I also found that odd as they seem to work against each other. Also, spent the time setting all the color numbers to the calibration provided online. The source material dictates everything, so that surely adds to it as we've had more options now than any time in human history. My hope is that XR processor by Sony eliminates most of those gradient issues between sources.
@@senseisprotege3632 I never set the individual color numbers are that's going too far into it and I'm not having any problem with those numbers I Don't think, except with maybe red which seems more saturated than other colors in some games. I suppose I would have to go into some kind of setup/display website or program in order to calibrate very specifically
@@pogtuber5146 I believe it was numbers provided by Cnet. Their post calibration numbers. Warm1. But tint also to R1. Then they had a bunch of individual positive and negative values for each color in the color management settings. Which isn't available in Game Mode, only Cinema & ISO Expert modes. HD movies look insanely good after I applied the values. It was mainly gaming and SD content that suffered.
Nobody gonna talk about the ''HDR ZONE'' in the licence plate's of the cars? Ok im first then.
Another great demo vincent credit to you mate for taking the time to do this must take a lot of hard work to get it right i have the c1 myself and will take note of these settings i couldnt help but mention though in the past ive noticed with the blu ray app which its self needs updating so badly by the way this past week or so ive noticed its so laggy and not smooth at all am a sucker for playing blu ray dvds on the series x and when i go to put the xbox in pc mode most of the normal picture settings are greyed out and you cant change them so whats best to do on that part ?
It really sucks that Dolby Vision cuts to 422 at 120hz, in order to play Flight Sim with VRR you need 120hz enabled.
Really dont understand why guides always like these warm temperature colors with everything having an yellow tone, to me it seems like it washes all the other colors. I guess it is to simulate an movie that plays on the theaters but i always liked the more clean image from my home TVs, and games dont have anything to do with theaters so why recommend this to games as well?
I really don’t like the yellow looking filter either. It’s like I’ve got night mode engaged when playing a game. White doesn’t look white and has a sepia color to it. Playing a racing game makes it very obvious just looking at the speedometer.
It's something you get used to after a few days/weeks. When you get used to it, and then change back to "normal" or "cool" (or however your TV terms it) it looks off. Warm is used because it matches natural daylight most accurately. The reason behind the yellowish-white is due to the RGB pixels on most TVs, but modern TVs have introduced different ways to go about it so the whites appear white.
That said, it's not perceptibly always like that, especially in HDR. The thing that needs to be done is, if you want the most accurate image, change it to that, and live with it for a few weeks. The most recent thing I had to get used to was turning the backlight on my LCD down for SDR titles as I always wanted parity between SDR and HDR for TV settings, and having backlight low seemed too dim even in my near-pitch-black room environment, but now I'm so used to it that trying high backlight settings hurts my eyes.
Calibrated settings for TVs are the same for games and films/shows. It should be noted though, you use what looks best to you, that's what's most important, although, at that point, videos like this are useless.
Do you really advice to game on new OLED TV's?
I saw an RTINGS burn in test, and the results are really "burnt".
My 55 C1 is delivering and I'm really confused about what to do with it..
Just avoid prolonged static elements on the screen as much as you can & it should be okay. That however never guarantees something won't burn in. That's just how it's going to be with OLED.
Thanks Vincent. Love these Xbox videos.
You are the only two men team LUCKY enough to buy two Xbox Series X. ;)
Dolby vision is a great technology but HDR10 is no slouch either especially on OLED TVs.
Dolby vision is in a completely different league from hdr10. Think you meant to compare it to hdr10+ which it still loses out to but the differences are barely noticeable
@@rolan5948 maybe I did mean to compare it to HDR10 plus. I can be wrong at times I'm learning new things every day. Hope you wasn't trying to criticize me my friend?
can you do one on watching movies? which is better?
I don't understand how games can have Dolby Vision? I thought the idea was that in movies / TV series, you can control the image scene by scene to produce an image as intended by the director. But in games, every scene depends on user input and is gonna be different for each person and played differently. I don't get it, can someone please explain?
Is there any chance that the 4K/120 posterization issue has been fixed with the final, non-beta rollout of DV on Xbox?
Great video Vincent
Looking forward to your comparison video when Halo Infinite comes out with its native Dolby Vision support.
Has another comparison been done 2 years later ?
Yes another compare with native DV would be assume! thanks Jay
So what did you calibrate the tv and xbox with before doing these tests, was it with hgig or dynamic toning on in the hdr xbox app ? as they will give you both completely different results ?
The video we all wanted but didn’t deserve
Thank you for another great comparison
Love this and would love an update later on! Any and all things to help me get the best picture out of my series x and lg tv! Thanks again!
They have a list now for games that are optimized for Dolby Vision
Where can one find this list at?
@@E_Rice It was a Xbox site but the took it down idky
Just what I needed, more specular highlight detail retention.... but don't we all?
Practically identical, the only difference is that dolby vision is slightly darker
Bigger difference in movies than gaming.
i still don't buy that warm 50 is neutral white.
i put a white field on my tv, then i configured my phone's screen to show visually the same white on its screen.
then i took a photo of the TV displaying the white field with the pro mode camera so what i saw in the phone's screen matches real life.
then i asked photoshop what it thinks of the whites.
right in the middle of the pink tint of the screen, which is where i focus my calibration, it read the RGB values of RED 212, Green 210, Blue 215. Slightly blueish pink, but pretty damn close to neutral white. with color temperature set to ZERO. the edges of the screen (48" oled used as monitor) look very cyanish (R 165, G 182, B 189) but it's the middle that matters most, and on warm 50 it looks yellow af.
i know my "tools" are rough, but the reading matches with my perception. to me, warm 3 with a little bit of green boost on high point is the most neutral tone. it's easy to say a sunset scene looks better and more impactful on warm colors. they do too on my amber sunglasses. in contrast, a scene of a blue sky over a blue ocean water will look green.
idk there must be something i'm missing for warm 50 to be considered neural. it looks extremely yellow. maybe the edges that are clearly cyanish on these settings might look proper white with the middle looking extra pink, idk. all i know is i hate this pink tint thing. i wish i could make the whole screen the same color temperature instead of having to hide it with very dark dark themes.
Do you leave in game HDR sliders at default when using Dolby vision?
Asked the support and they say it will be 100% for everyone this year. Kinda a shame, was really looking forward this feature this summer
Since most games do not have native DV support I don't think it's much better at the moment. It's sort of just faking it and creating dynamic metadata out of an HDR10 stream.
At least it's not any big difference. I suspect it will be when it's properly mastered and done for gaming.
Heck, many games that claim to do HDR doesn't even really do proper HDR10. Just increase saturation and light. I've heard of examples like that. Basically no more than cranking the brightness in SDR and raising color.
DV for movies and shows it has an impact. In gaming, it's yet to come. At least IMO.
Yes...please do new updated video. Thanks
Great content, as always.
Where and how can I calibrate my TV to be like yours?
Excellent video’! Thank you
Really enjoyed this video
Thanks for the video. Should PC mode be enabled always for any game from an Xbox Series X to an LG G1 then to achieve 444 chroma? Is there any downside when using pc mode for gaming? Thanks!
No downside for gaming. Only downside is if you stream movies and watch blurays. So if you don’t for sure use PC mode. Full chroma and less banding in 4K/120 mode.
@@christiansoneson5631 Thanks a lot, this raises another question, I have my PC plugged to the G1 just for watching movies, no games at all with the PC. Should I avoid the use of PC mode in the TV HDMI from the PC as I will only use it to watch movies?