HDR 10+ vs Dolby Vision: Uncovering the truth
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 พ.ค. 2022
- HDR 10+ is the alternative and DIRECT COMPETITOR to DOLBY VISION....But how does it measure up against the KING of DYNAMIC TONE MAPPING?? Find out in this video!!
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My Man 👊🏽😉👊🏽, Absolutely Awesome content as Always. I’m so impressed with the information you give out. Thank You 😊.
No problem bro! Thank you!!
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i have Samsung QN95B it has HDR10+ hope for the best
Dolby Vision fans always brag about the dynamic mapping information contained in its files, but the reality is that this is like a pre-made dish, the behavior of its brightness information software scaling leads to the TV's processing algorithms can not intervene in accordance with the actual limitations of the display device can not be customized to play, while HDR10 + video data to the device through the device's internal processing brightness scaling can be better used to play the level of the display device's capabilities.The display device's capability can be better utilized. The specific performance, you can see on youtube some TVs that support HDR10+ and Dolby Vision at the same time playing the same movie with different standard comparison, it can also prove my point above.
Good anaolsys about hdr 10+ and dolbyvision,thanq
Thank you!
I did not think there were any 12 bit TV`s, i thought they were 8 to 10 bit.
Firstly, there are no TV's that support 12-bit, nor any content. All Dolby Vision content is only 10-bit. Secondly, it is a symptom of a battle between Samsung and LG/Dolby. Appreciate that HDR10+ is royalty free, but this battle is currently not benefiting the consumer.
My Panasonic UB420 4k ultra player have HDR10+ without dolby vision. My projector don't even support dolby vision projector this days doesn't support dolby but support HDR10. Who needs dolby vision when there's HDR10?
Another great video and explanation. Here's something I recently tried with my new Samsung QN90A TV. I have always used Apple TV 4K to stream movies. HDR content looks great on everything. But I know Apple TV 4K doesn't support HDR10+ (their 2022 model coming out November 4 does though, and I've already ordered on!) so I can only get HDR10 through Apple TV 4K. I thought that maybe by using the native apps on my TV, I might be able to get HDR10+ as these are not going through the Apple TV 4K box but are streaming on my TV.
Not sure if this works as I have no way to verify it because my QN90A doesn't differentiate between HDR, HDR10 or HDR10+; it just displays the generic HDR icon when any HDR content is playing. But I tried watching the beach scene in LoTR House of the Dragon episode 7 (the one everyone is complaining about being too dark to see) and here is what I see on my TV:
1) Streaming through Apple TV 4K (HDR10) I can actually see details in the actors faces (it's still very dark because they chose to do it this way according to HBOMax) and most of the detail is watchable. In fact, when I originally watched it the night it came out, I didn't know there was a problem until I read about all the complaints in the news.
2) When I went back and rewatched the same scenes on my TV's native HBOMax app, so MAYBE I was getting it in HDR10+, it was so dark, I couldn't even tell there was anyone on the beach in the scene where "what's his name" is sneaking up on the "lovebirds". Watched the beach scenes multiple times and could not make out much of anything.
When I went back and watched it again via Apple TV 4K, it was still dark, but I could see their faces and details and could actually see what was going on.
So, my question is, with the native app, IF I was actually getting HDR10+, was the dynamic tone mapping actually darkening the dark scene making it almost too dark?
Thanks in advance for your advice/input.
It’s hard to say, manufactures employ HDR differently. Even amongst DV. Apple TV is pretty good with DV & LLDV so I’d lean more towards any issues in HDR probably lies in how it was mastered by the studio. If the source is bad, you’re gonna get bad HDR no matter what.
@@hatoraidcowboy Thank you! And thank you for the quick response. I am finding out as I go along that just about any HDR is better than none. Really makes the picture lifelike especially in dark scenes with candles or fireplace light...and sunrise/sunset scenes. Unbelievable how bright my QN90A can get during those kinds of scenes in HDR. I am absolutely in love with HDR content with a TV that can do HDR well. My family thinks I'm nuts for spending so much time just watching HDR demo videos here on TH-cam. 🤣
@@ericspear3610 😂 Yea us videophiles usually are misunderstood LOL My friends love coming over and watching movies on my system but they dont appreciate all the intricacies like I do. Glad you are enjoying your HDR content!
Guys I have the same issue with hdr10+ why it’s so dark????? I rather have regular hdr if it makes the movies so dark can’t even see details and enjoy it. Isn’t that the purpose of the +????? I have Samsung, LG and finally have 98” TCL with both hdr+ & DV and man I’m disappointed on the hdr10+ on the tcl … idk if it’s just the tv brand or like u said earlier….. Help!!! And yes my Samsung 85” qn90a same tv u have I noticed it doesn’t say hdr10+ when its playing but does supports it ..
@bucclao209 I think its more likely a setting on your tv and not HDR 10+ content. I dont have that issue.
to discover the truth a visual comparaison would have be great ;)
Thanks so much!
You’re welcome!
99% of people can't even tell the difference until they're told what they're watching. In my opinion Dolbyi Vision is not worth the hype when you have a high end display capable of tone mapping
Yea the only difference is the 10 bit HDR 10+ vs DV 12 bit. But you’re right how many people can actually tell a difference at that point?
@@hatoraidcowboy Aren't all the current panels 10 bit?
Well if a TV has the DV flag it’s supposed to support up to 12 bit bc DV can go up to 12 bit. So not sure how that works. Like not sure if most TV’s are natively 10 bit but can go up to 12 bit with some type of software/hardware manipulation….Like how a tv upscales to 4K or 8K.
I assume manufactures will support both, whether anyone can see a difference or not. No reason not to support HDR since it's open source. And they will support Dolby because...well, it's Dolby. :)
@@Mark-hb5zf Yea companies like Samsung only support HDR 10+ bc they dont want to pay royalties to Dolby. Plus Samsung is one of the inventors of HDR 10+.
I was looking at the Samsung S90C, I watch movies and TV shows and notice they are all dolby vision (disney+, vudu) so would this be a deal breaker or should I look at Sony/LG.
I would look at Sony or LG if you care about Dolby Vision
@@hatoraidcowboy does Dolby vision make a difference? if not I have come down to two options the Samsung S90c or Sony A80L
@dannyumana143 To me it does, but everybody is different. You should really try and go to a showroom to see for yourself side by side
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@dannyumana143 Thank you!
Merci d’expliquer pour les novices..👍✨🇫🇷
What explanation are you needing?
My tv supports both. So I’m the winner.
I get both whenever the content is optimized and available in either HDR10+ or Dolby Vision. I still prefer Dolby Vision 12 bit technology over HDR10+ 10 bit technology.
same here
What tv
Your TV will only be 10-bit
@@markholmes1158 The TV has a responder, and it shows Dolby Vision.
@@FirstSkyWalker if you check your TV spec, it will be 10-bit, as every proper HDR TV will be (I'm ignoring the 8-bit TV's that pretend to be HDR). That doesn't detract from HDR Or Dolby Vision (I'm a fan). Just saying not to get taken in by the numbers.
What about market shares?
Who wins Dolby Vision or HDR 10+? Samsung does only offer HDR 10+. IS Samsung the only brand which doesn’t offer Dolby Vision?
What is the dominant system on 4K Blu-Rays HDR, HDR10+ or Dolby Vision.
Before buying a TV today it would be nice where the future goes.
Well I think Dolby Vision is winning. I dont think its even close. There’s almost no support for HDR 10+ on physical disc or streaming. HDR 10 is required on 4K Blu Ray with the option to add Dolby Vision if they like. So If I was buying a tv today I would make sure it has DV. Anything else is a plus.
@@hatoraidcowboy
Thank you. I asked these questions many times and you are the first youtuber answering them.
@@jasc4364 No problem man! I’m glad to help as many people as possible with my limited knowledge LOL I try to reply to everyone that comments
@@hatoraidcowboy nope
I know this is an old video, but this isn't the whole truth. HDR10+ may be open source, but hardware manufacturers must pay a licensing fee to use the logo and have compatibility in their products. There are also Dolby Vision compliant projectors. Ironically, my tablet and phone are both HDR10+ capable, but Prime Video and Paramount+ won't display HDR over their android app (they will on android TV, but that's a different thing), so to this day I've mostly only seen Dolby Vision (which I do still believe looks superior), or I've had to **cough** obtain a couple of HDR10+ test videos just to see how they looked. While I don't really think they're THAT different, I still don't see this ending the way Samsung hopes it will.
Since Hollywood clearly supports Dolby Vision I see a major upset on the horizon. Samsung isn't number one in TVs for nothing. They know exactly what they're doing. It's just a matter of time before their investment pays off and since Hollywood is already under fire with investigations and lawsuits I'd say that investment might pay off sooner than you think.
I was looking at Samsung TV but after discovering they don’t support Dolby vision I may end up buying a Sony instead
@dannyumana143 Which model you looking at?
@@hatoraidcowboy s90c
Have to admit I didn't hear much of a contrast/comparison here. I perceived more of a sales pitch for hdr10+. 🤔🤷♂️
A sales pitch? 🤣 Why on earth would I be making a sales pitch? I guess you think the folks at HDR 10+ paid me to make this video?
Have Lg C1, and enjoying dolby vision, hdr 10+ & hdr content. The experience is on next level.
@Varun Mawar That’s great man! It seems the LG C1 is the tv to buy. Everybody loves it. Have you noticed a difference between Dolby Vision & HDR 10+?
@@hatoraidcowboy mate really liked your work. So much of in detail. Difference in Dolby Vision & HDR10+ , Depends on content to content. I watched venom let there be carnage in both format. Dolby vision gives better dark levels especially in dark scenes. Color seems vibrant. But in HDR 10+ gives smooth edges to picture & vibrant colours.
Interesting. It’s nice to have both options when the other is non existent on 4K Blu Rays.
Wait……,,,, yur lg C1 has HDR10+????????
@@varunmawaryur LG C1 supports hdr10+???
I don't like Dolby Vision.
Neat video!
I can definitely tell the difference between HDR 10+ and Dolby vision! If anyone can't it's because thier display is not calibrated or adjusted properly. All TV's shipped today have incorrect color accuracy and the white balance is shifted way too far towards blue.
Once it's adjusted properly then you can see the difference, Dolby vision will have better color and a very earthly tone while HDR 10+ will push the image towards more blue. My LG hu810p laser projector has HDR 10+ and I don't use it due to projectors even the expensive JVC laser projector can't perform well due to the low lumens and nits required.
In my opinion my LG in SDR mops the floor with HDR. My image is crystal clear 4k and colors pop out at you while maintaining the detail in dark scenes. My LG C1 OLED has Dolby vision and it's incredible! While I chose to watch movies on the projector we use the TV for shows. A few Dolby vision shows are Ozark and Stranger things and they look awesome in Dolby!! 😎👍🤘
@K Man Thanks for your input! Nice to know there is a difference. Some people may not be able to but I would love to do a side by side comparison.
Projectors have come a long way and I think now that many have HDR 10+ they will only get better. I really want to test the new Epson laser projectors.
dolby vision = overrated
@@johnnybravado7141
Depends on whether you are using and OLED or regular QLED lcd.
Also I would agree in regards to projectors, any type of HDR is not great on a projector.
@@kman9387
I just don't like this attitude that if something doesn't have Dolby Vision then it's no good. There are way better factors to consider for buying a TV and if not having Dolby Vision is the dealbreaker for these people not buying a TV then I have to say that the concept of smart shopping does not apply to them. Furthermore, if your TV isn't calibrated properly, then it doesn't matter whether you have OLED or QLED, or Samsung, LG, TCL, Hisense, or even Admiral TV. You will not get a good picture whether you're using Dolby Vision or HDR 10+. And from what I read, Dolby Vision seems to be more useful for low cost budget TVs with limited capabilities where as the high end TVs don't really need to make use of it but they would serve as icing on the cake for these TVs. So really the true impact of Dolby Vision and HDR 10+ truly lies with the quality of the TV itself. That includes both picture and build.
@@johnnybravado7141
Attitude??
From who??
And Dolby vision is not something to make crappy TV's look good. And most if not all TV's in 95%of homes are not calibrated.
Very strange your animosity towards Dolby vision 🤷
4k ultra disc doesn't even support dolby vision only supporting HDR or HDR10 I'm perfectly happy plus projector this days doesn't support dolby vision. JVC projector only supports HDR10 my projector. I don't care dolby.
HDR10+ doesn’t really compare to Dolby Vision, it’s a step up compared to generic HDR10, but Dolby Vision is just simply better at performance, no contest, and that’s not even getting into the fact that Samsung is the only TV brand in the world and Amazon Prime is the only streaming service in the world that support HDR10+, so if you get a Samsung TV, you lose a ton of performance compared to a TV that has Dolby Vision. In my opinion the only reason HDR10+ is still a thing is because Samsung can’t admit that they were wrong and they should’ve supported Dolby instead.
LOL That and it’s open source so there are no licensing fees….I do think HDR 10+ is beneficial for projectors since Dolby will not certify any projectors for DV. So it’s good that projectors can have some type of dynamic tone mapping even if it is not as good as DV. And if you have a device like the HD Fury Diva, you should be able to get pretty close.
@@hatoraidcowboy True, but with most streaming services and deviling ignoring HDR10+ for Dolby Vision, you’re really not going to get much mileage out of it unless you purely watch movies in HDR10 or find the very few movies that are released in HDR10+.
@@hatoraidcowboy Licensing Fees would definitely make it easier for maybe indie films that can’t afford the fees, but for most movies, which are made by large studios and released on platforms such as Netflix’s if they don’t have their own streaming service, Dolbys licensing fees are a penny in the bucket and it’s better to have the wide support net of Dolby Vision as Dolby is more of an “Established Name” in the industry and so on.
@@jaycorbin5361 Also true. But that’s where the HD Fury Diva comes in. Because the Diva will allow you to receive the incoming DV signal and just convert the format into an HDR 10+ signal so that your projector can process the meta data.
@@jaycorbin5361 Agreed. Dolby definitely has a monopoly on the industry. But also competition is always good because it forces the other companies from just running a muck and driving up prices without anyone to combat them. I agree there is very to little HDR 10+ content out in the wild, and that content that is there is Amazon only with some 4K Blu Rays starting to pop up. Funny enough, I still think HDR 10+ is more beneficial on projectors when paired with an HD Fury Diva than it is on an actual Samsung TV lol
HDR10+ is not free at all
It’s open sourced.
HELP!!! U say hdr10+ is better than hdr why is it so dark through out the whole movie???? I just bought 98 tcl tv new 2023 comes with hdr10+& Dolby Vision was excited to see what this hdr10+ & Dolby Vision to offer. I bought the new GT movie 🍿 and bunch of movies like flash also on prime video that shows Hdr10+ & so dark and dimmed thru the whole movie!!! Looks like the movie was shot in overcast even on bright day scenes.. HELP why is it like so dark don’t want to even watch it anymore on prime and any content on hdr10+..
Though Dolby vision is bright and great on the tv.. Is it just the tv??? Now I wish they just have regular HDR vs the 10+ cuz so dark can’t even see any details
HDR 10+ is better because it allows for more colors and HDR 10+ is dynamic tone mapping vs static tone mapping with HDR 10.
Now that I have had my TV for a while and have been watching movies and TV programs in HDR10+, I have found I enjoy watching them with my screen set to Adaptive Picture ON and Intelligent Mode ON. On my TV, this really brightens up the picture and looks to me more realistic than "Filmmaker Mode" which is just too dark. I understand from what I've read that "Filmmaker Mode" is how the Film creator wanted the movie to be presented but also that it was meant to be viewed in a "blacked out" or nearly "blacked out" room with little or no ambient light. Since I watch with ambient light and or lights turned on in the room, "Filmmaker Mode" is just too dark for me.
That being said, one of the shows we watch is Wheel of Time on Prime which shows up as HDR10+ on my TV and it is not too dark, but I still prefer Intelligent Mode and Adaptive Picture Mode ON but that's just me...
@@ericspear3610 can u help me maybe my tv is bad?? What settings?? I tried everything for 3 days still dark on hdr10+.. I check my other tv Samsung and lg is fine thought maybe something wrong
@@bucclao209 Unfortunately, I have no experience with TCL TVs, so I do not know what setting you have on them or which ones to try. If your other TVs are showing the same movie and not dark, then you may have to search the AV forums or TCL user groups to see if they have any ideas.
DV is better even when streaming. Lgc1 77 owner here. I need all my physical media to have DV going forward.
Please get rid of that intro music
dolby vision overrated and not the winner. HDR10+ 4 Life!
My tv supports both. So I’m the winner.
I get both whenever the content is optimized and available in either HDR10+ or Dolby Vision. I still prefer Dolby Vision 12 bit technology over HDR10+ 10 bit technology.
@@FirstSkyWalker you'll get even better results if your tv is calibrated. Then you'll really see which is better.
@@johnnybravado7141 Should the AppleTV be effective enough, or do I need to calibrate the tv settings separate?
Btw, inFuse is a beast. Especially combined with Plex and or Jellyfin.