I think this one has another flaw. Scare bear would no longer exist if scare bear stopped the future in which hank died. It’s a paradox. Scare bear comes from deans guilt. Scare bear saves dean from the guilt. Scare bear no longer exists.
Both theories function depending on what type of time travel is being used. If the timeline is stable (allowing for loops, everything that will happen has happened) then Hank can save his own life. Alternatively, if the timeline is branching (creating new timelines whenever you make a change) then Dean could go back and eliminate his own motivation to go back. If the timeline is dynamic (altering the past changes your own history) then neither is possible. The fact that we've seen Doc, Billy, and Pete appear out of a time machine and act weirdly implies that we're going to see them go back in time later. That implies a stable timeline.
I don't get why there is a time travel paradox. It's interesting philosophy but you would still exist if you went back in time and killed your grandpa, although that would change the future that was your present. But a paradox isn't what makes time travel impossible, time travel is impossible because everything in space is moving and orbiting bigger systems planets-sun-solarsystems- galaxies. If you could both map and plot out every orbiting body with a gravitational pull in the entire universe, then you can start the math to figure out where you starting at and where you will end.
I got one, though it isn't really about WHO Scare Bear is. Who he is is kind of irrelevant I think, but its who he "works" for. He is somebody in the employ of Dr. Killinger. After all If Dr. K helps set up bad guys, why wouldn't he recycle his plan for a Venture brothers feud. Hank was already having misgivings about his brother concerning his parental favoritism for a long time. And who wants to say that by Dr. K send his henchman to show Dean *directly himself* stabbing Hank in the back would basically be the turning point. Setting up the start of the Cain & Able story Dr. K always wanted with the Ventures. T.L.D.R: Scare Bears identity doesn't matter, but he works for Dr. Killinger to set up Hank into a start of darkness.
I think Dr. K actually wants to foster success and good things for the people he helps. He helps Doc become a Villain not because he wants there to be more villains, but simply because he believes Doc would be good at it. Its speaks volumes about Rusty's characters when he refuses the offer even though he'll finally be successful and move out of his father's shadow, simply because he doesn't want to be a bad guy.
My theory: It's the original Rusty Venture (or another Rusty clone), who was thought dead by Jonas. I have no reason why he appeared until now, unless he was on some other mission, he seems like he's been doing a bit of killing. I think he's a Rusty who went insane like the Dean Clone in Perchance to Dean who saw himself be replaced. Only instead of trying to kill the main Rusty, he's been on a vendetta against villains. We see the bear most menacing around villains. His introduction was menacing and sizing up Phantom Limb, Baron Underbheit and Professor Impossible. Next he was watching the villains at the party in It Happened on Night. Only around Hank was he actually somewhat nurturing and caring. As for this height, when the Monarch tried the mind assassination on Rusty, we saw the Rusty Superego could be quite large. In Bright Lights, Dean City, we saw a Rusty from an alternature universe who was also taller. And Jonas Sr. was very tall as well, so it's not impossible to imagine a version of Rusty with height. If he's watching the Ventures, he might have seen Dean and Sirena meet and flirt previously. His motive for bring Hank to Dean instead of a hospital might be to turn the brothers against each other to claim one of the brothers for his own son. We've seen that Hank really believes in the hero/villain lifestyle, and that he's surprisingly competent in fighting (as Wonder Boy, the Bat, and he passed the SPHYNX "training" Hunter gave him). It would make sense to try to recruit Hank in his vendetta. This would also explain why he hasn't talked, his voice would be immediately recognized.
Hank dying without Scare Bear doesn't prevent Scare Bear from being Hank from the future (not that I necessarily think that's who it is). For that to rule out Hank, you have to assume that Venture Brothers time travel doesn't allow for Stable Time Loops.
@@StewardofAutumn They've never shown evidence of ANY of the possible forms of time travel, so they're all equally possible. I would say, based on the way the show usually works, we'd probably have eventually seen the scene where Doc calls him Malcolm from Doc's point of view. So, I'd guess stable time, but that's pure speculation.
I would love a show or movie or book to do stable time loops and then have some guy fuck it up (but not realize it) and then the moment the possibility of his coming into existence was eliminated just have him fucking die horribly and painfully and quickly as every atom that made up his body is burned from existence. Everyone freaking out trying to help and then you hear "Hey guys what's going on?" and its a slightly different version of dead guy coming through the door, all the previously panicking jerks are sitting on the couch watching TV or something and they call him by a slightly different name. LIke if the character was named "Eric" the whole time they'll all say "Hey Derek." And that's what happened to Eric. END OF EPISODE OR ISSUE OR WHATEVER.
there are a lot of people Scare Bear could be - a hank or dean clone that was discarded or the original version of Hank and Dean - Dean from the future - the second Brock Samson from when they time travelled in a previous episode - Rusty who traveled back in time to save Hank - Brocks Brother - Hank and Deans mom - The original Rusty - Jonas Venture sr who was replaced by an evil clone of himself which is the one we saw for ourselves - an OSI member or an ex OSI member - one of the members from Jonas Venture sr team venture maybe one we have only seen once or twice or one we havent seen at all but those are just some theories i have heard myself
Teddy makes sense. He did befriend Hank in the loony bin for *super villains*` Time Traveling Dermott also could work and wouldn't be any more of a stretch than Dean.
@@InfernosReaper Teddy would be good except it seems he was in the loony bin during season 4, which was Scarebear's first appearance. But we don't actually know, maybe he got put there after the revenge society auditions.
I don't think this proves Dean is Scare Bear, but it's note worthy how dog Hitler, the embodiment of pure evil, warmed up to Dean, almost immediately. It's like he could sense the potential villainy inside of Dean. Not to mention that dog Hitler attacks Hank, who is probably as close as it gets to a pure soul, in this show. I was hoping this Cain and Abel dynamic was something the writers would explore in the 8th season, since it was vaguely foreshadowed by Dr. Killinger, but I guess the universe had other plans.
If anything, I think Scare Bear is Brock Sampson's time travel duplicate from "Escape from the House of Mummies pt II". In that episode the Venture Bros get into time travel shenanigans as a kind of secondary plot with a lot of gaps where the viewer doesn't see what's happening. One thing that is shown is there are two Brock Sampsons. It's never shown or explained what happened to the extra Brock. In fact, I believe the episode ends with a cliffhanger where Hank is freezing to death in the cold while one Brock holds him and the other guts Edgar Allen Poe as a reference to star wars. Likely the extra Brock is from a timeline where he failed to save Hank and Dean during the House of Mummies, so he travels back in time to rewrite events. The time travel rules of Venture Bros aren't established, so maybe instead of disappearing after changing events he just ended up stuck in an alternate timeline. He'd have no reason to go back to his original timeline with the brothers dead, so he stayed to help protect the boys when the Brock from the prime universe is not around to protect the Venture family he silent stalks them, protecting them. Both Brock Sampson and Scare Bear use a knife as their weapon of choice. Scare Bear silent, other than unnerving, heavy breathing and grunts similar to Brock in the earlier seasons before he became part of the family. Both would have knowledge if both Guild operations and the Venture family's security measures (Rusty probably uses the same password for his wifi as he does his top secret stuffs) which explains why he is able to get into both places and why the Revenge Society wouldn't have any paperwork on his villainous disguise. Brock keeps a collection of costumes from slain henchmen and is in the cannon of the show a dedicated cosplayer as shown by his Chewbacca costume.
Season 2 episode 4 the after credits of escape to the house of mummies. 2 time traveling Brocks are saving and keeping warm a dying hank WHILE both wearing bear pelts
one thing i have to wonder is why scare bear went to impossible plaza? was it to check up on dean or did he really want to join the revenge society. dean in the episode releases cody, but what if scare bear released the saffety locks sealing him so dean could unlock him later. maybe with the goal of screwing up the internship and saving doc venture too
I been a long time fan of VB. I’ve watched and listened to all commentary & more & books and read all the stuff they’ve written [Doc & Jackson] and I know I’m not them and I can’t say it with 100% certainty... BUT I feel like I can say with like at leaast 97% assuredness, that they wouldn’t make a plot around Time Travel... yes they’d like to throw in a little joke or references but I feel they’d never ever have their story suddenly involve time traveling. It would cheapen the entire ongoing plots & make everything redundant and MOOT.
Time Travel is weird in that there's many options. One option is that time is set in stone, and whatever a time traveler did in the past would lead to the inevitable future. So in a way, if this is how time travel works in the Venture Bros, it could very well be Hank where it's set in stone that Hank as Scare Bear goes back in time to help his younger self see what happened so as to have Hank go that route.
Of the two Venture Bros becoming a time traveling Scare Bear, I prefer Dean. That said, you can’t discount future Hank because if he didn’t save present Hank, Hank would die. That’s neglecting (in my opinion) the best version of time travel, a Time Loop. Where everything you do in the past already happened. Say in the near future Hank sees the Scare Bear costume on display and is like, “whoa, who’s that” Phantom Limb says, “no idea, he tried to stab me so I killed him, and kept the suit.” Hank asks to borrow it to scare Dean. Hank sneaks to Deans room and hears him crying about Sirena breaking his heart and Hank has a brilliant idea. Scaring Hank before he sleeps with Sirena. He travels back in time, and on the way he sees himself in the snow, but he thinks, “it’ll be fine the guy who rescues me will be by any minute...any minute...any minute...any-oh come on!” So he goes over to his younger self, younger Hank greets him and he realizes, “I’m the guy who saves me,” he goes through the motions and puts younger Hank right where he was put before.
To take a less "tinfoil" approach, I think Scare Bear is someone that want to break up the Venture Bros and lead Hank on a "villian" path. Dean becomes Rusty, Hank becomes Monarch, as a parallell. Whoever is scare bear needs a reason to do so. I say hes part of the guild or some other organization, who has the needs to know where Dean and Serina is. However, its very open and multiple theory works. Just think its a lot more simple than it being a disguise, and say its a new character that works. I really like the idea of it being Hank or Dean though. I always liked picturing Hank and/or Dean becoming Brock Samson size, instead of Rusty.
I feel like this is a plot point that wont be resolved by the movie due to lack of time. If I was to throw my hat in the ring, I’d say it’s killinger or a supernatural servant of killinger similar to the Oni. He showed up for the revenge society auditions despite not being on the forms, killinger later worked with the revenge society. Scare bear being/working for Kilinger would explain why he cares to help hank as well as know what dean was up to. Kilinger definitely has some level of future predicting abilities from his response to monarch and co entering the room while he fights the investors. This also explains why scare bear went to impossible industries. To check out the revenge society before helping them (similar to how it was revealed the general was either a servant or in similar position to Kilinger at the end of his second episode appearance). The general showed how dire Rusty’s business was, scare bear showed how dire the revenge society’s member options were. You could say “Kilinger is more direct with helping people” and he often is however he often acts more subtle or behind the scenes too. He showed Rusty that his current path would lead to villainy as well as used the oni to lead them.
@@newfoxclan7383 Ya, man! I've been a huge fan of this show since I first discovered it in 2004. First episode I saw was "Are you There God, it's me Dean". & have been hooked ever since! Seriously, awesome video, man!
Yall... its a hank clone they thought died just like the dean clone in the attic. This one took on a persona like THE BAT and uses a single knife like his hero Brock
I would have assumed that it was probably Triana Orpheus but who I really think it is is the master he's shown himself to be able to leave the closet and do things and he's the type of person that would take Hank under his wing and teach a magic
I feel like hank dying would have been a stretch because wouldn’t dr venture just make a clone of hank? Maybe Dean knew about hank being dead already but decided not to see that hank as HIS hank
But why would Dean travel far enough back in time to audition for The Revenge Society? Maybe that's how time travel works, you don't actually get to choose how far you go and being a bit villainous now himself, he wanted to chill with some villains while he waited for his chance to rescue Hank. Although that would risk revealing his identity to people who already know him, which is a risk I don't think he'd take. There's also the height but he could have something attached to his lets to make him seem taller so people would have a harder time figuring out that it's him. I don't personally think that Dean is Scare Bear but I still see it as plausible.
I was doing some thinking, and I have this semi-solid theory What if Scare Bear is Killinger? Think about it, he dressed up as Scarebear to mess with the revenge society, possibly checking up on how qualified they were 1-2 seasons later, Killinger has helped them become a full fledged squad, powers perfected and all He also helped Hank survive when he was buried in snow, once again helping someone on their path It somewhat makes sense
You should do another theory video about: Doc,The Monarch & Billy Quiz Boy are all brothers & Genetic Clones of Rusty’s Dad Billy Quiz Boy is actually the Genetic Twin of Doc they were clones at the same time but because of a defect in the cloning process Jonas Venture was going to toss the clone out well Billy’s Mom stepped up to say she would raise it as her own because she couldn’t handle seeing the Clone being disposed of. Jona’s Venture JR and Billy Quiz Boy Shared a Similar Mutation in cloning Process only Rusty Ate him & Malcom was cloned later on to give Blue Morpho a Son but Jona’s told Blue Morpho it was a genetic clone of himself not knowing it was a clone of Jona’s. Jona’s did this in the hopes that this clone would be the one that turned out to be the success in the cloning process but was another Failure because of lack of testosterone in the clones. Jona’s gave up on the cloning process for a bit to rework the Formula when he finally had the right idea he gave it another try this time having a Success in a lab he owned were he was instead of cloning in Tubes he was Genetically altering DNA of Gentics that he would then inject into the Wombs of Females after having some more failed attempts one finally took this women would give Birth too Two different Clones both of which that were monitored by Jona’s. after a quick guiding handing & the right influence he was able with the help of others to convince one of these Clones to Join the O.S.I. this one success the one clone that actually worked would turn out to be Brock Samson but the only reason Brock Worked is because it was a Mix of Two different DNA Structures this time instead of one those two DNA Structures Were Jona Venture and a Unknown Second Party who I believe was Dr.Quest. So Rusty,Malcom,Billy & Brock Samson are all Genetically Clones of Jonas & also All half brothers the only ones fully related are Rusty,Billy & Jona’s JR these were made using Jona’s Ventures DNA only were as the others were mix’s of DNA from other people & Jona’s needed the right Mix to make the perfect Clone but this clone didn’t have his brains hence why he partnered Rusty & Brock together these two became Jona’s biggest Project that is still ungoing with both them together hey have Jona’s brains and Body but when separated they are Weak without each other. That’s the real Venture bros theory and I haven’t seen people mention how the Doc and Billy could be brothers
While this sounds pretty awesome and crazy, I just think theres too many assumptions for me to get a good enough grasp to do your theory justice. Definitely would be crazy if this was revealed in the show though.
I always figured they were all half brothers. (Rusty, Malcolm and Billy). And that Malcolm and Billy are just love-children in that Jonas Sr. slept around a lot. That he just told Blue Morpho that he artificially inseminated his wife to help them have children, but that he actually slept with her. And Rusty is a clone because the original died because of all the "adventures" Jonas Sr. brought him on. (ala Hank and Dean). And Jonas Jr. was just what he appeared: an ingested twin (or whatever the term is). And Clone Rusty just happened to have Clone Jonas Jr. in him somehow. Don't know where Brock comes in (he had a brother that was never shown, mentioned in the episode where it shows where they all went to college, so that's another loose end) - but, that might explain why Hank looks more like a Brock than a Rusty. I don't know. So much is going on in this show it's crazy. I hope Jackson Publick and Doc Hammer get enough backing to have at least one more season to finish the story and answer all the remaining questions. Sign the petition on change.org to save the show.
I feel like he took him to get snacks instead of going straight there could mean he knew what time they were doing it so he purposely went so that when they arrived theyd make it in time
Not a bad theory! However, I'd say that because Hank was conscious enough to give directions, I'd say that stumbling upon a New York mystery character wouldn't be insane especially when he seems to be Stalking the Venture Tower which used to be owned by Mr. Impossible. So id say it's something possibly going to a disgruntled worker to Dr. Venture or Even malformed Rusty/Jonas Clone or even the Teddy guy.
At 3:46 now... please don't tell me you think it's Dean. Edit: Your theory also works if it's Hanks Gf. If it is Dean then why does he travel back so far to long before his mistake? Why does he bother with the revenge society interview since he's mostly just there to save Hank? Did he just wanna freak out the revenge society? That makes no sense. I think that scare bear being a venture sibling at all makes no sense really. I'd say it's akin to saying that it's a future Brock Samson because they both use knives.
Here's a theory from another commenter: "My guess? If the Future/Alternate Dean theory is right, I would think that he intentionally interfered in his past/alternate self's life in moments that would have otherwise led Dean towards becoming a supervillain. Remember that David Bowie said that Dean was the TRUE Sovereign before Dean passed the leadership back to Bowie. I bet ScareBear showed up at the tryouts to do two things. The first was to sneak in and scare the Revenge Society, while also showing off how Dean was incompetent. I bet he killed a villain who would have joined the Revenge Society and actually been helpful to them. It would explain why ScareBear showed up covered in blood and with a knife that had fresh blood on it. The second thing I bet he did was set things up so that past/alternate Dean "accidentally" released Cody, who was the power source for the entire building. That would ensure that Dean would bomb his internship and no longer work with the Revenge Society. ScareBear then shows up at the exact spot where Hank would have died otherwise. However, instead of taking him to get medical care (which would have been the appropriate response if the sole purpose was to save Hank), ScareBear instead took him to the dorm where Dean and Hank's girlfriend were having sex. This says that ScareBear's had TWO priorities: Save Hank, and force the reveal that Dean was having sex with his girlfriend. I doubt Dean would have easily handled the guilt of knowing Hank died looking for Serena when she was secretly having sex with Dean. I think ScareBear is from a future timeline where Hank died. In this timeline, Dean was still working for/with the Revenge Society (or even possibly the Guild), so when the guilt drove Dean insane he ended up taking his role as the Sovereign like Bowie had prophesied. However, he was still miserable so he decided to go back in time to try and prevent himself from becoming a villain." -The Runaway Script So you see, the Dean theory actually makes sense.
@@SergeantExtreme see....it still doesn't. At least to me. The logic in your/this person's statement could be accurate for Brock as well if he was sent by this theoretical future Dean. Since we can apparently come up with random hypothetical futures where characters turn evil. However let's look at the other facts here. If scare bear was out to scare the revenge society In such a way to make Dean look incompetent then that's fine. But how does he know that Dean is fired? How does he get them to the power source? Because if Dean was fired for doing so his job is done and scare bear leaves ...except he does leave and he is not seen again for some time until the art party. Which Dean nor Hank were at. Is he looking for a way to kill his father or learn some tricks off the villains there? I don't think so. He's skulking around and has to be at least semi well known to be invited to the party. If he is Dean then yes he would have the code....but why be there at a party he can gain nothing from then maybe seeing his dad naked. Next issue is the fact of guilt. Yes Dean is incredibly moral. He is also a coward and someone who guilt weighed super heavy on throughout the series....now let's get back to being a coward. Unless his hand is forced he never takes extreme actions or even raises a hand. The only occasion I can think of is with Dermot. Even then Dean hasn't become violent in a non violent manner for some time. If the guilt got to Dean I don't think it's in his character to go and kill people. And being a villian...he has got to kill people. Especially if his rating is a level ten. Like one would assume the leader of the league would have. That's like saying hey let's get professor dewgon to be the sovereign. Dean is not capable of the same level of violence around him. He's desensitized to it...but he's not capable of it. Which is probably why he let scare bear in....he's so used to it he doesn't care. Next we have the sovereign destiny....I think this remark was more aimed towards the fact venture was there at the founding of the guild and thus had a birthright just like phantom limb claimed to have. And Dean was less likely to take over the guild than that of Rusty. Also I'm not really trusting anything the sovereign says since....he's a liar and willing to do and say anything to stay on top. Honestly, combined with the fact he is opposed to violence, he is very unlikely to be scare bear or to become sovereign. Finally we have scare bears final appearance. Where he saves Hank. This is the only time where the theory could make sense because scare bear knows where Hank is and that Dean is sleeping with Hanks girl. Another theory that works is that scare bear is a stalker and has been following Dean and Hank for a while obsessed with them. He is at the party because he wants to be where they live. He is at the interview to see Dean. And he saves Hank because he was following him and already knew where Dean lived but not what he was doing. It's got about the same level of credibility. The problem with theories is that with the right information we can make anything fit. But I can't see scare bear being a venture for many reasons besides plot. (Height is different being a big one) I'd say scare bear is an unrelenting force. He doesn't need a motive to do what he does. And his reasoning could be as simple as I wanted to cause a rift in the venture family
HOLY CRAP! I HAVE A THEORY I HAVEN'T HEARD BEFORE! Scare Bear is future Dermott! Hank died from his head wound and Dermott blamed Dean for his death. Hank was not only his brother, but Dermott's only friend. He may also be mad at Rusty for letting Hank leave the compound, which is why scare bear keeps showing up at the compound. Ok so the villain interviews; I think Dermott planned to kill Dean but couldn't do it (they're brothers too after all) and decided to instead expose the affair. His big knife could simply be OSI issue which is why brock also has one similar. His OSI training is also why he is strong enough to carry Hank all over the city and covers enough to never be noticed despite being terrifying
I was thinking that too because Scare Bear is Dermott's level of edge. Not sure about the whole silent thing because Dermott loves to talk but I think he'd be capable of that in Season 6 (idk about the impossible industries thing, maybe he was trying to moonlight as a villain but froze up?). I still think it's a better theory than it being hank or dean. Hell it'd be more likely that it's Doc at this point
I think that it's a clone of Hank that was thought dead, but had actually survived unbeknownst to Rusty and Brock. He made his way back to the Compound, only to find that he and Dean had already been replaced by their father and (most hurtfully) by Brock. Seeing this, and being left all alone without his brother Dean, he would have retreated into himself and his most powerful fantasy, that of Batman. He would have gone mad and become a murderous vigilante and villain, developing skills that would have rivaled Brock Samson himself. His ultimate goals? Having a death match with Brock, and gaining vengeance on Brock and his dad by ruining their lives forever. It would be ironic, as instead of Batman, he'd be more of a Red Hood analogue. Hey, a guy can dream right?
3:05 That's just a bootstrap paradox mate. Think John Conner sending his father back in time to fuck his mother or Ash being in the Necronomicon in Evil Dead II. They actually make perfect sense if you buy into determinism. Primer touched on the notion perfectly and that's about as scientifically accurate as a story about time travel has ever been.
@@newfoxclan7383 personally I think it is Dean. The rest of your video made a good case for it and it makes the most thematic sense. It would explain why he was at i tower all those seasons ago and only really turned up again toward the end. The only problem with it would be that for that version of Dean to know he was going to cuckold his brother, he'd have to have taken a similar path to our Dean, enrolling in college. Which wouldn't have happened if he worked for the legion. But the bootstrap paradox definitely doesn't rule Hank out. He's just less likely now. Although I really was kinda looking forward for a tense scene of Hank screaming "who are you!" To an intimidating scare bare darkening his doorway. Only for him to remove his bear head to say in the goofiest Hank voice you can imagine. "Hi Hank, I'm Hank. Hank meet Hank." Or something along those lines. Haha
@@Cernunnnos The theory is that the in the "original" timeline Hank dies and Dean is driven by grief. The canon timeline has Scare Bear save Hank. Both timelines have Dean cuckolding his brother. The blizzard is the point where the timelines diverge.
dude, the fact that scare bear went to try out to join the evil side, to me, proves that it's Dermott. Only he would do the things scare bear did and then take the time out of his day to try and join a team
I still think it's Brown Widow, possibly taking the identity of the Scare Bear seen partying with the Andy Warhol Doom Squad. He knows who Hank is, knows where Dean's dormroom is at (this is even highlighted by Doc and Jackson with dry-erase board at 3:45) and the most substantial but grossest evidence, Scare Bear has a wet spot on the back of his costume that lines up perfectly with Brown Widow's/Jared's "organic webslinger."
He has a wet spot on the front, too, though. Near his stomach. So he could be that guy who pulls things out of different dimensions.😉 Just kidding, I know he's not the right build.
You know that Scarebear being from the future means it is probably a pop culture reference to Frank the mysterious guy in a rabbit costume in the 2001 film Donnie Darko
I don't think that's good logic to rule out Hank as Scare Bear. That's actually not a paradox. It resolves itself and actually avoids the paradox, IMO. Not at all impossible... depending on who you ask.
That doesn’t really make sense with Scare Bear being around since S4. Why would a time traveling Dean show up years earlier and do nothing else to try to intervene?
I like the Dean theory, but I still feel like Ben is worth talks since he has told Dean before how he is always watching and keeping tabs on them. Plus he would know all the venture codes also
Solid theory! I fuck with it heavily haha. Do you ever hop on the VB chat on adultswim? I'll pop in the disocrd sometime and we can discuss more theories!
The biggest problem that I see with this theory are actually the other appearances of scare bear. If SB is really dean from the future, coming to the past for the reasons listed in the video, why would he do things like just show up ant impossible industries, stand there creepily and then just do nothing.
@@newfoxclan7383 after you replied to me a spent a good hour or two researching the topic (I haven't really been keeping up with the show so correct me if anything sounds wrong), and i now believe it to either be Brock Samson or a clone of Brock. Firstly, we know based on what little we can see through SB's eye holes that he is a white man, due to skin tone, eye shape and the fact that the majority of male characters in the show have black eyes, while the female characters have colored eyes. some more clues to this could be the fact that SB uses a knife and the fact that we have seen Brock wear a bear costume before. Things like him showing up at the impossible industries building and other similar occurrences could have been part of a planned reveal later that Brock was infiltrating the guild. as for how he new where Hank was, after the clones were destroyed, it doesn't seen too out of the question the Rusty would have put some sort of tracking chip in the boys. this would also account for how he new where dean was, it is entirely likely that SB didn't even know that Hank's girlfriend was cheating, and he was just bringing him so Dean because he knew that he would be safe there, and the reason why he just showed Hank to Dean's door instaid of going in was because he new that dean would be curious and start investigating. I have a bunch more to this theory if you are interested in hearing it, but I didn't really want to type it all out in one long reply. Keep up the great videos.
@@fbisurveillancevan4249 Scarebear shows up to the join the Revenge Society which isn't part of the Guild (But could still be a OSI sting type of deal). I don't think Doc has trackers on the boys, I feel like theres way too many times he would have used them. It could be Brocks brother or even a clone, its so mysterious you never know.
@@newfoxclan7383 The boy's communicator watches include tracking devices. Hank was wearing his outside, Dean probably took his off during his... encounter with Serena, but it would still be somewhere in his room. We don't exactly see SB checking his own wrist for guidance however.
A self closing/fulfilling time-loop is not that unheard of trope in time-travel story-writing. I don’t think scarebear hank is off the table. Split-timelines theory is not really any less shakey than single timeline theories. It could go either way. Time travel as a purely hypothetical field of physics genuinely can function however the heck the authors using it want it to
While I agree, I feel like a show like Venture Bros is more likely to leave a less obvious time loop, but at the same time, they could have it be self closing and made some sort of gag about it. Honestly I love this show because whatever they do, they put care into it, and make it enjoyable.
Question, is the blood on scare bear in his first appearance Hank's blood? I think so which means any theory would also have to explain why scare bear would go back further in time after saving Hank. Your theory def has merit but the motive to visit Impossible Tower needs to be explained for any theory to be correct. Any ideas?
If its Hank, it could be because Dean works there at the time. If its Dean in the suit, it could be to see his old self, maybe at a time before he got all emo or something haha.
After Scarebear saving Hank, I thought he was some humanoid Abomination along the lines of Henry Killinger and the collectors, but I'm probably really off.
Hank COULD go back in time to save his own life. Its called "bootstrap paradox" or a stable timeloop. He DID survive, because his self saved him because he traveled back, etc. Its a circle. So what? There doesn't need to be a first timeline where he didnt go back.
Thanks for this amazing video it finally got a question felt solved but I have a question will you post more videos because they are good but sadly the show was canceled :(
Nah Rocket lives on Spider Skull island, he's mentioned in the hour long special and even comes back to Sally at the end of the episode your talking about in season 2.
This was my theory as well. Scarebear is Dean from the future/an alternate reality. But he's not there entirely to save Hank, though that is still one of the reasons he came back. He's there to kill the man that killed Brock (he has Brock's knife during the villain scouting), which is either Phantom Limb, Professor Richards, or Ünderbight. Only reason that he didn't do it in that moment was because he couldn't do it without exposing himself, leaving Hank to die in the cold.
Could it be Ben, the guy living with Helper II in the woods? Think about it, maybe he and Doc Sr ran a test with malcom when his dad was killed. Since he and Rusty are twins, raise one evil. Ben seems to be a key to a lot of thinks. He had a cloning tank in his house, and still follows and documents data...
Could be brocks parallel universe counterpart who came over when rusty tried to kill his parallel twin with a rock both show up in same 2 episode time line
I think that Scar bear is the second Brock from season 2 episode 4 escape from the house of mommies there’s two Brocks in episode and they were both seen wearing Bear skin and Time travel was a factor
Wasn't there a another Brock that that time traveled in that Dr. Venture took too damn long episode? (I'm not saying that he's could be scarebear; I just think he could be a candidate)
Even more than that, he has what looks like Brock's knife as he stands silently in front of the Revenge Society. He knows he can't kill who he's there for, even though he couldn't stop him from using the knowledge of the place's ins and outs, that he gained from his time working there, to confront the man who killed Brock (Baron Underbeight, Professor Impossible, or Phantom Limb), but bails because he knows (even if successful) his attempt could blow his cover, and revenge is secondary to killing Hank Regardless, ScareBear is either Dean from the future, or the alternate reality Doc fell in
Wait theres a hole in that hole for scare bear being hank, because what if hypothetically scare bear is hank from future because the scare bear from his time, Hank, saved him so the scare bear of our time does the same for our hank to continue the never emding hank saving past hank cycle. The dean theory works as well im just stating a possible hole in the hole you gave for hank.
Who saved him first because you have to think of a line if he makes it to the future that means hank already changed events and ultimately got himself killed it couldn’t be hank because someone else had to be there to make sure he got to the future it can’t be himself unless it’s time travel from the past
Scarebear stumbled upon Hank and helped him. He asked to go to his girlfriend so that's where scarebear took him. He probably asked to stop for snacks too
Its either dean or their mom I feel. If it was dean why would he go back to the revenge society? You could argue to prevent gargantua 2 from exploding, hence preventing the current canon timeline, but i could see their mom wanting to protect them if a previous timeline(minus scare bear). Resulted in one or eithers death.
Could be no doubt. I think it makes sense that it could be time travel mostly because of how Scare Bear seems to know a lot more than someone should. (Where Hank is in the Blizzard, How to find Dean and Serena)
My money is on Dermott. He's a friend of Hank's. Has a dislike for Dean. Has the build for the costume. He is taller than both Hank and Dean. Has some access to both Brock's training methods and an interest in martial arts, therefore more likely to carry a knife. May (or may not) have access to the Time Cabinet via the OSI. He is though a little too "talky" for Scare Bear, but the Hank lived/died paradox might have affected his personality.
Kano lived in New York right he only talked to Brock so he could be scare bear or the time travel theory it could be the other Brock from the house of mummies or the time travel Brock from when doc and Billy come out of glover cleavlands time machine on top of the weather modification machine
@@newfoxclan7383 he's got a thing for Serena I feel like they're setting that up and he doesn't like hank from the few times they've been around each other. So I thibk he tried to split them up
I like the Dean = Scarebear more anyways, and your take. Though... now I wonder if Sgt Hatred is Brock Samson's relative and they both are Ventures as well with the similarities with Hatred being the Dean and Brock being the Hank.
This is out there but could it be Batman moonlighting (daylighting? Can Batman moonlight?) as an anti hero like The Punisher to get around his no-killing rule? The symbol of Batman is still protected if it’s just Bruce Wayne in a bear suit blowing off steam after all. He would’ve known where Dean’s dorm was because he’s a genius detective and Hank would unknowingly get to meet his hero while to the bat he’s just saving one of the Venture kids from a blizzard because it’s the right thing to do lol. I know it’s not Batman but I want it to be Batman dammit.
Watch curse of the mummy2 episode and u see two Brock's wearing bear clothes. What if scare bear is the other Brock samson. Since they were time traveling and it ends with them still stuck in a different time
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It's obviously Dawn - the long lost Venture sister.
Would love to see another messed up Dean clone be an actual Dawn lol
No, Buffy....smh
How could she be so massive?
Steroids.
You're on to something. Thats the kind of shit they would pull off
I think this one has another flaw. Scare bear would no longer exist if scare bear stopped the future in which hank died. It’s a paradox. Scare bear comes from deans guilt. Scare bear saves dean from the guilt. Scare bear no longer exists.
Both theories function depending on what type of time travel is being used. If the timeline is stable (allowing for loops, everything that will happen has happened) then Hank can save his own life.
Alternatively, if the timeline is branching (creating new timelines whenever you make a change) then Dean could go back and eliminate his own motivation to go back.
If the timeline is dynamic (altering the past changes your own history) then neither is possible.
The fact that we've seen Doc, Billy, and Pete appear out of a time machine and act weirdly implies that we're going to see them go back in time later. That implies a stable timeline.
I don't get why there is a time travel paradox. It's interesting philosophy but you would still exist if you went back in time and killed your grandpa, although that would change the future that was your present. But a paradox isn't what makes time travel impossible, time travel is impossible because everything in space is moving and orbiting bigger systems planets-sun-solarsystems- galaxies. If you could both map and plot out every orbiting body with a gravitational pull in the entire universe, then you can start the math to figure out where you starting at and where you will end.
It's a cartoon.
Sorry, I couldn't resist a smartass response.
Wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff.
UNLESS, Scare Bear is now a time traveller with no home to go back to because the future he comes from is gone.
I got one, though it isn't really about WHO Scare Bear is. Who he is is kind of irrelevant I think, but its who he "works" for. He is somebody in the employ of Dr. Killinger. After all If Dr. K helps set up bad guys, why wouldn't he recycle his plan for a Venture brothers feud. Hank was already having misgivings about his brother concerning his parental favoritism for a long time. And who wants to say that by Dr. K send his henchman to show Dean *directly himself* stabbing Hank in the back would basically be the turning point. Setting up the start of the Cain & Able story Dr. K always wanted with the Ventures.
T.L.D.R: Scare Bears identity doesn't matter, but he works for Dr. Killinger to set up Hank into a start of darkness.
I think Dr. K actually wants to foster success and good things for the people he helps. He helps Doc become a Villain not because he wants there to be more villains, but simply because he believes Doc would be good at it. Its speaks volumes about Rusty's characters when he refuses the offer even though he'll finally be successful and move out of his father's shadow, simply because he doesn't want to be a bad guy.
My theory: It's the original Rusty Venture (or another Rusty clone), who was thought dead by Jonas. I have no reason why he appeared until now, unless he was on some other mission, he seems like he's been doing a bit of killing. I think he's a Rusty who went insane like the Dean Clone in Perchance to Dean who saw himself be replaced. Only instead of trying to kill the main Rusty, he's been on a vendetta against villains. We see the bear most menacing around villains. His introduction was menacing and sizing up Phantom Limb, Baron Underbheit and Professor Impossible. Next he was watching the villains at the party in It Happened on Night. Only around Hank was he actually somewhat nurturing and caring. As for this height, when the Monarch tried the mind assassination on Rusty, we saw the Rusty Superego could be quite large. In Bright Lights, Dean City, we saw a Rusty from an alternature universe who was also taller. And Jonas Sr. was very tall as well, so it's not impossible to imagine a version of Rusty with height. If he's watching the Ventures, he might have seen Dean and Sirena meet and flirt previously. His motive for bring Hank to Dean instead of a hospital might be to turn the brothers against each other to claim one of the brothers for his own son. We've seen that Hank really believes in the hero/villain lifestyle, and that he's surprisingly competent in fighting (as Wonder Boy, the Bat, and he passed the SPHYNX "training" Hunter gave him). It would make sense to try to recruit Hank in his vendetta. This would also explain why he hasn't talked, his voice would be immediately recognized.
I hope u keep making this series, especially since the date of the show is up in the air. This was really nice and u def Deserve more subs
I'll have a new video up soon. Its gonna be sweet.
The show got canceled
@@atomicpunch1990 There's a petition to sign on change.org to try to save the show.
@@atomicpunch1990 hbo max is trying to bring it back. Which is funny cause its only on hulu now
Scare bear is BROCK. From the present.
Scare Bear is Brock from the alternate timeline of the mystery of the Pharos, you see them both wearing bear hats.
Hank dying without Scare Bear doesn't prevent Scare Bear from being Hank from the future (not that I necessarily think that's who it is). For that to rule out Hank, you have to assume that Venture Brothers time travel doesn't allow for Stable Time Loops.
Bootstrap paradox for the win.
They never really shown stable timeloops or multiverse theory
@@StewardofAutumn They've never shown evidence of ANY of the possible forms of time travel, so they're all equally possible.
I would say, based on the way the show usually works, we'd probably have eventually seen the scene where Doc calls him Malcolm from Doc's point of view. So, I'd guess stable time, but that's pure speculation.
I was thinking the same thing. Like, that logic doesn't check out. But the show was cancelled, so we'll never learn the truth.
I would love a show or movie or book to do stable time loops and then have some guy fuck it up (but not realize it) and then the moment the possibility of his coming into existence was eliminated just have him fucking die horribly and painfully and quickly as every atom that made up his body is burned from existence.
Everyone freaking out trying to help and then you hear "Hey guys what's going on?" and its a slightly different version of dead guy coming through the door, all the previously panicking jerks are sitting on the couch watching TV or something and they call him by a slightly different name. LIke if the character was named "Eric" the whole time they'll all say "Hey Derek."
And that's what happened to Eric.
END OF EPISODE OR ISSUE OR WHATEVER.
there are a lot of people Scare Bear could be
- a hank or dean clone that was discarded or the original version of Hank and Dean
- Dean from the future
- the second Brock Samson from when they time travelled in a previous episode
- Rusty who traveled back in time to save Hank
- Brocks Brother
- Hank and Deans mom
- The original Rusty
- Jonas Venture sr who was replaced by an evil clone of himself which is the one we saw for ourselves
- an OSI member or an ex OSI member
- one of the members from Jonas Venture sr team venture maybe one we have only seen once or twice or one we havent seen at all
but those are just some theories i have heard myself
Don't forget the most obvious alternative of all, it could be a new character. Sick list, literally covers everything anyone could think of. True fan.
Teddy makes sense. He did befriend Hank in the loony bin for *super villains*`
Time Traveling Dermott also could work and wouldn't be any more of a stretch than Dean.
@@InfernosReaper Teddy would be good except it seems he was in the loony bin during season 4, which was Scarebear's first appearance. But we don't actually know, maybe he got put there after the revenge society auditions.
@@ivokintober358 it is a possibility. No one knows when or how he got locked up there or where he went after he escaped
Just a note, if you listen to the dvd commentaries, I think Doc and Jackson state that care bear is in this scene while its on the ninja restaurant
I don't think this proves Dean is Scare Bear, but it's note worthy how dog Hitler, the embodiment of pure evil, warmed up to Dean, almost immediately. It's like he could sense the potential villainy inside of Dean. Not to mention that dog Hitler attacks Hank, who is probably as close as it gets to a pure soul, in this show. I was hoping this Cain and Abel dynamic was something the writers would explore in the 8th season, since it was vaguely foreshadowed by Dr. Killinger, but I guess the universe had other plans.
If anything, I think Scare Bear is Brock Sampson's time travel duplicate from "Escape from the House of Mummies pt II". In that episode the Venture Bros get into time travel shenanigans as a kind of secondary plot with a lot of gaps where the viewer doesn't see what's happening. One thing that is shown is there are two Brock Sampsons. It's never shown or explained what happened to the extra Brock. In fact, I believe the episode ends with a cliffhanger where Hank is freezing to death in the cold while one Brock holds him and the other guts Edgar Allen Poe as a reference to star wars. Likely the extra Brock is from a timeline where he failed to save Hank and Dean during the House of Mummies, so he travels back in time to rewrite events. The time travel rules of Venture Bros aren't established, so maybe instead of disappearing after changing events he just ended up stuck in an alternate timeline. He'd have no reason to go back to his original timeline with the brothers dead, so he stayed to help protect the boys when the Brock from the prime universe is not around to protect the Venture family he silent stalks them, protecting them. Both Brock Sampson and Scare Bear use a knife as their weapon of choice. Scare Bear silent, other than unnerving, heavy breathing and grunts similar to Brock in the earlier seasons before he became part of the family. Both would have knowledge if both Guild operations and the Venture family's security measures (Rusty probably uses the same password for his wifi as he does his top secret stuffs) which explains why he is able to get into both places and why the Revenge Society wouldn't have any paperwork on his villainous disguise. Brock keeps a collection of costumes from slain henchmen and is in the cannon of the show a dedicated cosplayer as shown by his Chewbacca costume.
Dude...nice
I know this is an old comment, but - Scare Bear has brown eyes, Brock has blue eyes.
Season 2 episode 4 the after credits of escape to the house of mummies. 2 time traveling Brocks are saving and keeping warm a dying hank WHILE both wearing bear pelts
Bear pelts, not suits, though. Brock has blue eyes, Scare Bear has brown eyes.
"host movie nights"
oh no
It’d be cool if it was the messed up dean clone that got blown up somehow
one thing i have to wonder is why scare bear went to impossible plaza? was it to check up on dean or did he really want to join the revenge society. dean in the episode releases cody, but what if scare bear released the saffety locks sealing him so dean could unlock him later. maybe with the goal of screwing up the internship and saving doc venture too
I been a long time fan of VB. I’ve watched and listened to all commentary & more & books and read all the stuff they’ve written [Doc & Jackson] and I know I’m not them and I can’t say it with 100% certainty... BUT I feel like I can say with like at leaast 97% assuredness, that they wouldn’t make a plot around Time Travel... yes they’d like to throw in a little joke or references but I feel they’d never ever have their story suddenly involve time traveling. It would cheapen the entire ongoing plots & make everything redundant and MOOT.
Something, either big or small is going to tie in to that time machine at least. No way they just never bring it up again.
I think Scarebear is Dean from the future too who traveled back to save Hank and show him the truth.
It's gotta be Venturestein.
Watch it turns out to be the Bear guy from Gully Gultch
Time Travel is weird in that there's many options. One option is that time is set in stone, and whatever a time traveler did in the past would lead to the inevitable future. So in a way, if this is how time travel works in the Venture Bros, it could very well be Hank where it's set in stone that Hank as Scare Bear goes back in time to help his younger self see what happened so as to have Hank go that route.
Ah yes, a "stable time loop".
I still think it's a Bootstrap paradox with Hank always having been saved from the blizzard by his future self
Like the reverse of donny darko? Instead always being destined to die hes destined to live?
Of the two Venture Bros becoming a time traveling Scare Bear, I prefer Dean.
That said, you can’t discount future Hank because if he didn’t save present Hank, Hank would die. That’s neglecting (in my opinion) the best version of time travel, a Time Loop. Where everything you do in the past already happened.
Say in the near future Hank sees the Scare Bear costume on display and is like, “whoa, who’s that” Phantom Limb says, “no idea, he tried to stab me so I killed him, and kept the suit.” Hank asks to borrow it to scare Dean. Hank sneaks to Deans room and hears him crying about Sirena breaking his heart and Hank has a brilliant idea. Scaring Hank before he sleeps with Sirena. He travels back in time, and on the way he sees himself in the snow, but he thinks, “it’ll be fine the guy who rescues me will be by any minute...any minute...any minute...any-oh come on!” So he goes over to his younger self, younger Hank greets him and he realizes, “I’m the guy who saves me,” he goes through the motions and puts younger Hank right where he was put before.
MAN GOOD thing we’ll never get confirmation cause the show is cancelled😭😭😭😭
HBO might be the one to save it
We're getting a movie bud
@@The_Punisher That was from eight months ago. The movie was announced three months ago, bud.
To take a less "tinfoil" approach, I think Scare Bear is someone that want to break up the Venture Bros and lead Hank on a "villian" path. Dean becomes Rusty, Hank becomes Monarch, as a parallell. Whoever is scare bear needs a reason to do so. I say hes part of the guild or some other organization, who has the needs to know where Dean and Serina is. However, its very open and multiple theory works. Just think its a lot more simple than it being a disguise, and say its a new character that works.
I really like the idea of it being Hank or Dean though. I always liked picturing Hank and/or Dean becoming Brock Samson size, instead of Rusty.
I feel like this is a plot point that wont be resolved by the movie due to lack of time.
If I was to throw my hat in the ring, I’d say it’s killinger or a supernatural servant of killinger similar to the Oni. He showed up for the revenge society auditions despite not being on the forms, killinger later worked with the revenge society.
Scare bear being/working for Kilinger would explain why he cares to help hank as well as know what dean was up to. Kilinger definitely has some level of future predicting abilities from his response to monarch and co entering the room while he fights the investors. This also explains why scare bear went to impossible industries. To check out the revenge society before helping them (similar to how it was revealed the general was either a servant or in similar position to Kilinger at the end of his second episode appearance). The general showed how dire Rusty’s business was, scare bear showed how dire the revenge society’s member options were.
You could say “Kilinger is more direct with helping people” and he often is however he often acts more subtle or behind the scenes too. He showed Rusty that his current path would lead to villainy as well as used the oni to lead them.
Dude! Amazing theory about who Scare Bear is! Freakin awesome!
My mind is 💥
Thanks.
@@newfoxclan7383 Ya, man! I've been a huge fan of this show since I first discovered it in 2004. First episode I saw was "Are you There God, it's me Dean". & have been hooked ever since!
Seriously, awesome video, man!
@@maddhadder8324Yeah season 4 is kino.
Cool video. I'm hoping Season 8 will answer the identity of Scare Bear. Most likely there will be new questions after Season 8.
Ofc there will always be more questions to be answered!
#saveventurebros
Yall... its a hank clone they thought died just like the dean clone in the attic. This one took on a persona like THE BAT and uses a single knife like his hero Brock
I would have assumed that it was probably Triana Orpheus but who I really think it is is the master he's shown himself to be able to leave the closet and do things and he's the type of person that would take Hank under his wing and teach a magic
I also can't help but wonder if we're missing something "on the nose," and it's Teddy Talk-To-Me from "Momma's Boys."
It's an interesting theory, but by the time he first appears, Teddy would still be locked away and across the country
I feel like hank dying would have been a stretch because wouldn’t dr venture just make a clone of hank? Maybe Dean knew about hank being dead already but decided not to see that hank as HIS hank
But why would Dean travel far enough back in time to audition for The Revenge Society?
Maybe that's how time travel works, you don't actually get to choose how far you go and being a bit villainous now himself, he wanted to chill with some villains while he waited for his chance to rescue Hank. Although that would risk revealing his identity to people who already know him, which is a risk I don't think he'd take.
There's also the height but he could have something attached to his lets to make him seem taller so people would have a harder time figuring out that it's him.
I don't personally think that Dean is Scare Bear but I still see it as plausible.
I seem to remember Col. Gathers having a bear suit in his office in Season 4.
it could still be future hank its a time paradox I could see them doing that
I was doing some thinking, and I have this semi-solid theory
What if Scare Bear is Killinger?
Think about it, he dressed up as Scarebear to mess with the revenge society, possibly checking up on how qualified they were
1-2 seasons later, Killinger has helped them become a full fledged squad, powers perfected and all
He also helped Hank survive when he was buried in snow, once again helping someone on their path
It somewhat makes sense
That's just a simple bootstrap paradox, I don't think it disproves the theory.
Scare Bear is the Young Grover Cleveland. He has a time machine but it would damage the time stream if he were to say anything or show who he was.
How you gonna guess who he is if the show's creators haven't even decided yet.
You should do another theory video about: Doc,The Monarch & Billy Quiz Boy are all brothers & Genetic Clones of Rusty’s Dad Billy Quiz Boy is actually the Genetic Twin of Doc they were clones at the same time but because of a defect in the cloning process Jonas Venture was going to toss the clone out well Billy’s Mom stepped up to say she would raise it as her own because she couldn’t handle seeing the Clone being disposed of. Jona’s Venture JR and Billy Quiz Boy Shared a Similar Mutation in cloning Process only Rusty Ate him & Malcom was cloned later on to give Blue Morpho a Son but Jona’s told Blue Morpho it was a genetic clone of himself not knowing it was a clone of Jona’s. Jona’s did this in the hopes that this clone would be the one that turned out to be the success in the cloning process but was another Failure because of lack of testosterone in the clones. Jona’s gave up on the cloning process for a bit to rework the Formula when he finally had the right idea he gave it another try this time having a Success in a lab he owned were he was instead of cloning in Tubes he was Genetically altering DNA of Gentics that he would then inject into the Wombs of Females after having some more failed attempts one finally took this women would give Birth too Two different Clones both of which that were monitored by Jona’s. after a quick guiding handing & the right influence he was able with the help of others to convince one of these Clones to Join the O.S.I. this one success the one clone that actually worked would turn out to be Brock Samson but the only reason Brock Worked is because it was a Mix of Two different DNA Structures this time instead of one those two DNA Structures Were Jona Venture and a Unknown Second Party who I believe was Dr.Quest. So Rusty,Malcom,Billy & Brock Samson are all Genetically Clones of Jonas & also All half brothers the only ones fully related are Rusty,Billy & Jona’s JR these were made using Jona’s Ventures DNA only were as the others were mix’s of DNA from other people & Jona’s needed the right Mix to make the perfect Clone but this clone didn’t have his brains hence why he partnered Rusty & Brock together these two became Jona’s biggest Project that is still ungoing with both them together hey have Jona’s brains and Body but when separated they are Weak without each other. That’s the real Venture bros theory and I haven’t seen people mention how the Doc and Billy could be brothers
While this sounds pretty awesome and crazy, I just think theres too many assumptions for me to get a good enough grasp to do your theory justice. Definitely would be crazy if this was revealed in the show though.
i have always said that billy is another clone ! just too much set up !!
I always figured they were all half brothers. (Rusty, Malcolm and Billy). And that Malcolm and Billy are just love-children in that Jonas Sr. slept around a lot. That he just told Blue Morpho that he artificially inseminated his wife to help them have children, but that he actually slept with her. And Rusty is a clone because the original died because of all the "adventures" Jonas Sr. brought him on. (ala Hank and Dean). And Jonas Jr. was just what he appeared: an ingested twin (or whatever the term is). And Clone Rusty just happened to have Clone Jonas Jr. in him somehow.
Don't know where Brock comes in (he had a brother that was never shown, mentioned in the episode where it shows where they all went to college, so that's another loose end) - but, that might explain why Hank looks more like a Brock than a Rusty.
I don't know. So much is going on in this show it's crazy. I hope Jackson Publick and Doc Hammer get enough backing to have at least one more season to finish the story and answer all the remaining questions.
Sign the petition on change.org to save the show.
The audio mixing on this video is fantastic. Well done and great theory.
Thanks bro.
I feel like he took him to get snacks instead of going straight there could mean he knew what time they were doing it so he purposely went so that when they arrived theyd make it in time
Not a bad theory! However, I'd say that because Hank was conscious enough to give directions, I'd say that stumbling upon a New York mystery character wouldn't be insane especially when he seems to be Stalking the Venture Tower which used to be owned by Mr. Impossible. So id say it's something possibly going to a disgruntled worker to Dr. Venture or Even malformed Rusty/Jonas Clone or even the Teddy guy.
At 3:46 now... please don't tell me you think it's Dean.
Edit: Your theory also works if it's Hanks Gf. If it is Dean then why does he travel back so far to long before his mistake? Why does he bother with the revenge society interview since he's mostly just there to save Hank? Did he just wanna freak out the revenge society? That makes no sense. I think that scare bear being a venture sibling at all makes no sense really. I'd say it's akin to saying that it's a future Brock Samson because they both use knives.
Here's a theory from another commenter:
"My guess? If the Future/Alternate Dean theory is right, I would think that he intentionally interfered in his past/alternate self's life in moments that would have otherwise led Dean towards becoming a supervillain. Remember that David Bowie said that Dean was the TRUE Sovereign before Dean passed the leadership back to Bowie. I bet ScareBear showed up at the tryouts to do two things. The first was to sneak in and scare the Revenge Society, while also showing off how Dean was incompetent. I bet he killed a villain who would have joined the Revenge Society and actually been helpful to them. It would explain why ScareBear showed up covered in blood and with a knife that had fresh blood on it. The second thing I bet he did was set things up so that past/alternate Dean "accidentally" released Cody, who was the power source for the entire building. That would ensure that Dean would bomb his internship and no longer work with the Revenge Society.
ScareBear then shows up at the exact spot where Hank would have died otherwise. However, instead of taking him to get medical care (which would have been the appropriate response if the sole purpose was to save Hank), ScareBear instead took him to the dorm where Dean and Hank's girlfriend were having sex. This says that ScareBear's had TWO priorities: Save Hank, and force the reveal that Dean was having sex with his girlfriend. I doubt Dean would have easily handled the guilt of knowing Hank died looking for Serena when she was secretly having sex with Dean.
I think ScareBear is from a future timeline where Hank died. In this timeline, Dean was still working for/with the Revenge Society (or even possibly the Guild), so when the guilt drove Dean insane he ended up taking his role as the Sovereign like Bowie had prophesied. However, he was still miserable so he decided to go back in time to try and prevent himself from becoming a villain." -The Runaway Script
So you see, the Dean theory actually makes sense.
@@SergeantExtreme see....it still doesn't. At least to me. The logic in your/this person's statement could be accurate for Brock as well if he was sent by this theoretical future Dean. Since we can apparently come up with random hypothetical futures where characters turn evil. However let's look at the other facts here.
If scare bear was out to scare the revenge society In such a way to make Dean look incompetent then that's fine. But how does he know that Dean is fired? How does he get them to the power source? Because if Dean was fired for doing so his job is done and scare bear leaves ...except he does leave and he is not seen again for some time until the art party. Which Dean nor Hank were at. Is he looking for a way to kill his father or learn some tricks off the villains there? I don't think so. He's skulking around and has to be at least semi well known to be invited to the party. If he is Dean then yes he would have the code....but why be there at a party he can gain nothing from then maybe seeing his dad naked.
Next issue is the fact of guilt. Yes Dean is incredibly moral. He is also a coward and someone who guilt weighed super heavy on throughout the series....now let's get back to being a coward. Unless his hand is forced he never takes extreme actions or even raises a hand. The only occasion I can think of is with Dermot. Even then Dean hasn't become violent in a non violent manner for some time. If the guilt got to Dean I don't think it's in his character to go and kill people. And being a villian...he has got to kill people. Especially if his rating is a level ten. Like one would assume the leader of the league would have. That's like saying hey let's get professor dewgon to be the sovereign.
Dean is not capable of the same level of violence around him. He's desensitized to it...but he's not capable of it. Which is probably why he let scare bear in....he's so used to it he doesn't care.
Next we have the sovereign destiny....I think this remark was more aimed towards the fact venture was there at the founding of the guild and thus had a birthright just like phantom limb claimed to have. And Dean was less likely to take over the guild than that of Rusty. Also I'm not really trusting anything the sovereign says since....he's a liar and willing to do and say anything to stay on top. Honestly, combined with the fact he is opposed to violence, he is very unlikely to be scare bear or to become sovereign.
Finally we have scare bears final appearance. Where he saves Hank. This is the only time where the theory could make sense because scare bear knows where Hank is and that Dean is sleeping with Hanks girl. Another theory that works is that scare bear is a stalker and has been following Dean and Hank for a while obsessed with them. He is at the party because he wants to be where they live. He is at the interview to see Dean. And he saves Hank because he was following him and already knew where Dean lived but not what he was doing. It's got about the same level of credibility.
The problem with theories is that with the right information we can make anything fit. But I can't see scare bear being a venture for many reasons besides plot. (Height is different being a big one) I'd say scare bear is an unrelenting force. He doesn't need a motive to do what he does. And his reasoning could be as simple as I wanted to cause a rift in the venture family
HOLY CRAP! I HAVE A THEORY I HAVEN'T HEARD BEFORE! Scare Bear is future Dermott! Hank died from his head wound and Dermott blamed Dean for his death. Hank was not only his brother, but Dermott's only friend. He may also be mad at Rusty for letting Hank leave the compound, which is why scare bear keeps showing up at the compound. Ok so the villain interviews; I think Dermott planned to kill Dean but couldn't do it (they're brothers too after all) and decided to instead expose the affair. His big knife could simply be OSI issue which is why brock also has one similar. His OSI training is also why he is strong enough to carry Hank all over the city and covers enough to never be noticed despite being terrifying
I was thinking that too because Scare Bear is Dermott's level of edge. Not sure about the whole silent thing because Dermott loves to talk but I think he'd be capable of that in Season 6 (idk about the impossible industries thing, maybe he was trying to moonlight as a villain but froze up?). I still think it's a better theory than it being hank or dean. Hell it'd be more likely that it's Doc at this point
@@Cybird0099 it’s an interesting theory…
I think that it's a clone of Hank that was thought dead, but had actually survived unbeknownst to Rusty and Brock. He made his way back to the Compound, only to find that he and Dean had already been replaced by their father and (most hurtfully) by Brock. Seeing this, and being left all alone without his brother Dean, he would have retreated into himself and his most powerful fantasy, that of Batman. He would have gone mad and become a murderous vigilante and villain, developing skills that would have rivaled Brock Samson himself. His ultimate goals? Having a death match with Brock, and gaining vengeance on Brock and his dad by ruining their lives forever.
It would be ironic, as instead of Batman, he'd be more of a Red Hood analogue.
Hey, a guy can dream right?
Can't go back in time to save himself. Guessing you never watched Gargoyles
Have we seen Donnie darko?
I honestly thought it was the soverein, but like mute since he probably got shot in the throat or something when he was hit as a bird
3:05
That's just a bootstrap paradox mate.
Think John Conner sending his father back in time to fuck his mother or Ash being in the Necronomicon in Evil Dead II.
They actually make perfect sense if you buy into determinism. Primer touched on the notion perfectly and that's about as scientifically accurate as a story about time travel has ever been.
True. It could be a paradox type deal.
@@newfoxclan7383 personally I think it is Dean. The rest of your video made a good case for it and it makes the most thematic sense. It would explain why he was at i tower all those seasons ago and only really turned up again toward the end.
The only problem with it would be that for that version of Dean to know he was going to cuckold his brother, he'd have to have taken a similar path to our Dean, enrolling in college. Which wouldn't have happened if he worked for the legion.
But the bootstrap paradox definitely doesn't rule Hank out. He's just less likely now.
Although I really was kinda looking forward for a tense scene of Hank screaming "who are you!" To an intimidating scare bare darkening his doorway. Only for him to remove his bear head to say in the goofiest Hank voice you can imagine.
"Hi Hank, I'm Hank. Hank meet Hank."
Or something along those lines. Haha
@@Cernunnnos The theory is that the in the "original" timeline Hank dies and Dean is driven by grief. The canon timeline has Scare Bear save Hank. Both timelines have Dean cuckolding his brother. The blizzard is the point where the timelines diverge.
I feel like the best / most hilarious move the writers could make is to never explain it.
This dude took his love of the game naughty bear and made it into his real cartoon life
dude, the fact that scare bear went to try out to join the evil side, to me, proves that it's Dermott. Only he would do the things scare bear did and then take the time out of his day to try and join a team
Care Bear I'm pretty sure is the psych patient that Professor V was talking to a mention teddy bear Junction in the episode
I still think it's Brown Widow, possibly taking the identity of the Scare Bear seen partying with the Andy Warhol Doom Squad. He knows who Hank is, knows where Dean's dormroom is at (this is even highlighted by Doc and Jackson with dry-erase board at 3:45) and the most substantial but grossest evidence, Scare Bear has a wet spot on the back of his costume that lines up perfectly with Brown Widow's/Jared's "organic webslinger."
He has a wet spot on the front, too, though. Near his stomach. So he could be that guy who pulls things out of different dimensions.😉 Just kidding, I know he's not the right build.
I think time travel definitely has a strong possibility as he also seems like a Donny Darko reference.
My heart hurts for you homie. It will get saved! #savetheventurebros until then #remembertheCant
You know that Scarebear being from the future means it is probably a pop culture reference to Frank the mysterious guy in a rabbit costume in the 2001 film Donnie Darko
I don't think that's good logic to rule out Hank as Scare Bear. That's actually not a paradox. It resolves itself and actually avoids the paradox, IMO. Not at all impossible... depending on who you ask.
That doesn’t really make sense with Scare Bear being around since S4. Why would a time traveling Dean show up years earlier and do nothing else to try to intervene?
Its implied that if you believe this theory, he shows up to save hanks life, but probably does nothing else to avoid messing up the timelime.
@@newfoxclan7383 but why not just travel back to the point when he was needed?
@@RunnerX13 He did. The point he was needed was to save hank from freezing to death. As the theory goes anyways.
@@newfoxclan7383 you’re not understanding what I’m saying.
I like the Dean theory, but I still feel like Ben is worth talks since he has told Dean before how he is always watching and keeping tabs on them. Plus he would know all the venture codes also
Solid theory! I fuck with it heavily haha. Do you ever hop on the VB chat on adultswim? I'll pop in the disocrd sometime and we can discuss more theories!
Yo fr, I did not know there was a VB chat or discord anywhere, you gonna have to shoot me a invite or something. #Hero9763 on discord.
It's Sargent hatred.., comprare his size and he sees everything with the building cameras.
The biggest problem that I see with this theory are actually the other appearances of scare bear. If SB is really dean from the future, coming to the past for the reasons listed in the video, why would he do things like just show up ant impossible industries, stand there creepily and then just do nothing.
Perhaps he was doing more off screen we never saw. Or perhaps its not Dean, you got any ideas on who it could be?
@@newfoxclan7383 after you replied to me a spent a good hour or two researching the topic (I haven't really been keeping up with the show so correct me if anything sounds wrong), and i now believe it to either be Brock Samson or a clone of Brock. Firstly, we know based on what little we can see through SB's eye holes that he is a white man, due to skin tone, eye shape and the fact that the majority of male characters in the show have black eyes, while the female characters have colored eyes. some more clues to this could be the fact that SB uses a knife and the fact that we have seen Brock wear a bear costume before. Things like him showing up at the impossible industries building and other similar occurrences could have been part of a planned reveal later that Brock was infiltrating the guild. as for how he new where Hank was, after the clones were destroyed, it doesn't seen too out of the question the Rusty would have put some sort of tracking chip in the boys. this would also account for how he new where dean was, it is entirely likely that SB didn't even know that Hank's girlfriend was cheating, and he was just bringing him so Dean because he knew that he would be safe there, and the reason why he just showed Hank to Dean's door instaid of going in was because he new that dean would be curious and start investigating. I have a bunch more to this theory if you are interested in hearing it, but I didn't really want to type it all out in one long reply. Keep up the great videos.
@@fbisurveillancevan4249 Scarebear shows up to the join the Revenge Society which isn't part of the Guild (But could still be a OSI sting type of deal). I don't think Doc has trackers on the boys, I feel like theres way too many times he would have used them. It could be Brocks brother or even a clone, its so mysterious you never know.
@@newfoxclan7383 The boy's communicator watches include tracking devices. Hank was wearing his outside, Dean probably took his off during his... encounter with Serena, but it would still be somewhere in his room. We don't exactly see SB checking his own wrist for guidance however.
Im impressed he had "Everyone is someone in L.A" as his into song
Scare Bear is Rocko. Why else would he pick up Hank and take him to where Dean and Sarina were?
Maybe scarebear is hank from the future and he just was so injured from the blizzard that he can't talk
I think it's Hank and Dean's mom that has just been watching them from afar as long as they've been in New York
A self closing/fulfilling time-loop is not that unheard of trope in time-travel story-writing. I don’t think scarebear hank is off the table. Split-timelines theory is not really any less shakey than single timeline theories. It could go either way. Time travel as a purely hypothetical field of physics genuinely can function however the heck the authors using it want it to
While I agree, I feel like a show like Venture Bros is more likely to leave a less obvious time loop, but at the same time, they could have it be self closing and made some sort of gag about it. Honestly I love this show because whatever they do, they put care into it, and make it enjoyable.
Question, is the blood on scare bear in his first appearance Hank's blood? I think so which means any theory would also have to explain why scare bear would go back further in time after saving Hank. Your theory def has merit but the motive to visit Impossible Tower needs to be explained for any theory to be correct. Any ideas?
If its Hank, it could be because Dean works there at the time. If its Dean in the suit, it could be to see his old self, maybe at a time before he got all emo or something haha.
After Scarebear saving Hank, I thought he was some humanoid Abomination along the lines of Henry Killinger and the collectors, but I'm probably really off.
Hank COULD go back in time to save his own life. Its called "bootstrap paradox" or a stable timeloop. He DID survive, because his self saved him because he traveled back, etc. Its a circle. So what? There doesn't need to be a first timeline where he didnt go back.
Thanks for this amazing video it finally got a question felt solved but I have a question will you post more videos because they are good but sadly the show was canceled :(
Perhaps dermot
I suggest that it is rocket, the baby that wanders off into the park in season 2.
Nah Rocket lives on Spider Skull island, he's mentioned in the hour long special and even comes back to Sally at the end of the episode your talking about in season 2.
This was my theory as well. Scarebear is Dean from the future/an alternate reality.
But he's not there entirely to save Hank, though that is still one of the reasons he came back. He's there to kill the man that killed Brock (he has Brock's knife during the villain scouting), which is either Phantom Limb, Professor Richards, or Ünderbight. Only reason that he didn't do it in that moment was because he couldn't do it without exposing himself, leaving Hank to die in the cold.
What about henchman 24?
Could it be Ben, the guy living with Helper II in the woods? Think about it, maybe he and Doc Sr ran a test with malcom when his dad was killed. Since he and Rusty are twins, raise one evil. Ben seems to be a key to a lot of thinks. He had a cloning tank in his house, and still follows and documents data...
I for one, can't wait to see what they do with Ben.
Scare Bear is that delivery guy (or whoever he was, I forget the episode) who had "The Shining." 😁
Could be brocks parallel universe counterpart who came over when rusty tried to kill his parallel twin with a rock both show up in same 2 episode time line
I think that Scar bear is the second Brock from season 2 episode 4 escape from the house of mommies there’s two Brocks in episode and they were both seen wearing Bear skin and Time travel was a factor
Wasn't there a another Brock that
that time traveled in that Dr. Venture took too damn long episode?
(I'm not saying that he's could be scarebear; I just think he could be a
candidate)
Even more than that, he has what looks like Brock's knife as he stands silently in front of the Revenge Society. He knows he can't kill who he's there for, even though he couldn't stop him from using the knowledge of the place's ins and outs, that he gained from his time working there, to confront the man who killed Brock (Baron Underbeight, Professor Impossible, or Phantom Limb), but bails because he knows (even if successful) his attempt could blow his cover, and revenge is secondary to killing Hank
Regardless, ScareBear is either Dean from the future, or the alternate reality Doc fell in
but WHY would he audition for the revenge society then?
Is that like... a very specific overlycomplicated plan to save hank?
Wait theres a hole in that hole for scare bear being hank, because what if hypothetically scare bear is hank from future because the scare bear from his time, Hank, saved him so the scare bear of our time does the same for our hank to continue the never emding hank saving past hank cycle. The dean theory works as well im just stating a possible hole in the hole you gave for hank.
Who saved him first because you have to think of a line if he makes it to the future that means hank already changed events and ultimately got himself killed it couldn’t be hank because someone else had to be there to make sure he got to the future it can’t be himself unless it’s time travel from the past
Scarebear stumbled upon Hank and helped him. He asked to go to his girlfriend so that's where scarebear took him. He probably asked to stop for snacks too
Its either dean or their mom I feel. If it was dean why would he go back to the revenge society? You could argue to prevent gargantua 2 from exploding, hence preventing the current canon timeline, but i could see their mom wanting to protect them if a previous timeline(minus scare bear). Resulted in one or eithers death.
?Why would Hank or Dean want to try to join the Team phantom limb and Professor impossible were putting together?
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Great Video! Personally....I think Murderbear/Scare Bear is the REAL Dean Venture....the original one. No time travel required.
Could be no doubt. I think it makes sense that it could be time travel mostly because of how Scare Bear seems to know a lot more than someone should. (Where Hank is in the Blizzard, How to find Dean and Serena)
My money is on Dermott. He's a friend of Hank's. Has a dislike for Dean. Has the build for the costume. He is taller than both Hank and Dean. Has some access to both Brock's training methods and an interest in martial arts, therefore more likely to carry a knife. May (or may not) have access to the Time Cabinet via the OSI. He is though a little too "talky" for Scare Bear, but the Hank lived/died paradox might have affected his personality.
I airways thought this ended
Its got a movie coming out soon.
Kano lived in New York right he only talked to Brock so he could be scare bear or the time travel theory it could be the other Brock from the house of mummies or the time travel Brock from when doc and Billy come out of glover cleavlands time machine on top of the weather modification machine
Maybe the impossible building is when he first entered the timeline. That’s why no one knew how he got in.
Fun!
Hank's head wound hurts my soul.
I know...always hard fir me to watch that...
I thibk ita the Serenas dads bodyguard who looks at Serenas underwater and stuff.
Why do you think that?
@@newfoxclan7383 he's got a thing for Serena I feel like they're setting that up and he doesn't like hank from the few times they've been around each other. So I thibk he tried to split them up
Didnt they show who was under the mask? I remember seeing in in sesson 7.
I like the Dean = Scarebear more anyways, and your take. Though... now I wonder if Sgt Hatred is Brock Samson's relative and they both are Ventures as well with the similarities with Hatred being the Dean and Brock being the Hank.
This is out there but could it be Batman moonlighting (daylighting? Can Batman moonlight?) as an anti hero like The Punisher to get around his no-killing rule? The symbol of Batman is still protected if it’s just Bruce Wayne in a bear suit blowing off steam after all. He would’ve known where Dean’s dorm was because he’s a genius detective and Hank would unknowingly get to meet his hero while to the bat he’s just saving one of the Venture kids from a blizzard because it’s the right thing to do lol. I know it’s not Batman but I want it to be Batman dammit.
Watch curse of the mummy2 episode and u see two Brock's wearing bear clothes. What if scare bear is the other Brock samson. Since they were time traveling and it ends with them still stuck in a different time
Yeah and the episode in which they reveal that will be called "Return to the House of Mummies: Part 1" lmao
Thank you for the correction but it's clearly another Brock samson. Just like the problem light, I feel that episode holds a lot of secrets.