I dunno. It's not like this is a big public statement or a final showdown with a nemesis. It's "jobber" villain stuff. And its personal. Which is the point for Red Death, I think.
Normally, a villain monologing is considered an overdone trope. Guys like THIS, using it to further instill fear in the fallen, THAT is what makes the trope so worth having in the first place!!!
Usually what mskes the monologue trope annoying is it is used to give the hero time to escape. BlindRage was completly helpless so that wasn't a posibility here. Here, having the villan monologuing while the victim tries desperately to escape is actually terrifying. Shows how hopeless the situation is Red Death can take the time to get lost in talking with his back turned
@@user-pi3hd2bt3f And Red Death doesn't even care if he DOES escape, he's already made his point; Never fuck with an old veteran in a profession where you're likely to die young.
the most effective part about this monologue is Red Death's insistence that the death is designed to give them hope if they knew they were going to die, they could accept it and seem proud as they died, having a chance to accept it but with this death, they struggle in vain, and die terrified and desparate, which makes the victory more complete
It's even better, it denies the victim dignity, as you mention it encourages a struggle. However, it also punishes acceptance as the chance for escape means that acceptance implies defeat and weakness.
@@KenkadeLinden I'm sure it's incredibly easy to lift yourself up from a prone position while your arms, and legs are tied up. Even IF you manage to do that you have to find a way to hobble off the tracks without falling again. This is all while a train is barreling toward you, your mind isn't focusing since you are hearing a blaring horn, and the incoming train. Panic sets in and you start making mistakes. and even if you manage to stand up, or attempt to stand, the villain is probably sitting there watching you. So even if you make it off the tracks he'll probably throw you back on, or just shoot you regardless. This is a very no win situation.
The red death is legitimately a terrifying villain and the juxtaposition of his love for his family, professionalism and his ruthless bloodthirsty nature is brilliant.
@@bryarrogers8995 the thing about the venture Brothers however anytime I character does not die on screen they are practically guaranteed to come back later with some weird explanation as to how they survive their ordeal.
@@Funnyfly0 "Now, the gentleman villain had these old school time bombs, three sticks of dynamite wired to an alarm clock. And what was so poetic about that is that they ticked, you could _hear_ them, tick, tick, tick. Nowadays they're just digital, no sound, no peril."
"Not bad for an old man,huh?" That is the single most badass line in this entire scene,there's nothing more scary than an evil super villan that knows they've won and milks that victory for all it's worth
Now THAT is a good deconstruction and reconstruction of the stuff super villains do. We mock the idea of a super villains going into monologues, explaining things, giving their victims so many chances to escape. But here, Red Death demonstrates why it's SO CLASSY, SO STYLISH, and SO TERRIFYING. The explanation and the chance to escape only makes it more horrific when it fails and you realize how deadly the trap was.
i had to set up a challenge course for my JROTC camp in high school. I totally used a rope with a bucket of acid (water) over the head of a tied up flight commander. The rope was set over a candle and it would give the group about 5 minutes to do their challenge before the rope burned and the commander got drenched. I was really impressed by just how perfectly it worked. The main problem was that 5 minutes was not enough time to do the challenge; they all failed. lol
*LESSON'S NOT OVER, SONNY!* The fact that the mounting light on Red Death's cape and hood kept building is proof positive of true dedication to the craft of animation~
I miss villains like this. Now a days they just suck; like the Diamonds from Seven Universe just disappointing all around. Imagine if Steven had to fight red skull there how would that go for him?!
Your right there're just trying to make their civilization thrive; they're just like Ben 10's Incursions their not villains their just misunderstood conquers who have killed off countless other civilizations for resources and more or less for fun.
Okay, that is an evil empire, the second you said doing it for fun, that makes an evil empire. The diamonds are conquerers, but they don’t do it for fun, they do it for their own progress, but maybe the people who created the diamonds meant it for them to be something else, but they don’t do it for blood shedding
You know something? As a villain in general, Red Death works. His costume works, his weapon works, his gimmick, his aesthetic, his personality, that horse thing he rides, it all comes together. He could be a villain in any of the major comics out there, though he probably works best here, in this show.
@@idfrigginkman wait for real? You mean this dude lives in the same universe as Brock Sampson? IDK whether the idea of their confrontation excites or scares me...
Now that I think of it. He’s right. If there’s no escape, the hero is prepared to die. But if you give them hope, they don’t come to peace with it. Sun tzu said not to pressure an enemy too hard, leave one route to escape
When an enemy fights to the death, they become more dangerous. Give them a route to rout, and they will flee, doing you no harm in their (mostly futile) attempt to escape.
@@korbacwystan9333 pretty sure it's a morale thing, if there is no hope you might as well go down fighting, but if there is hope survival instinct will tell you to run for the hills, even if it's a shitty decision
The fact that your comment is located right below aother comment talking about heroes being heroes and villains being villains, true evil and moral greyness and your profile picture is that of a character who is supposed to be the representation of everything good of humanity fighting off a villain who is supposed to be everything opposite to that (even though it isn't very well in the actual show) is just *PERFECT!*
@@mekingtiger9095 sorry, but i don't think she is supposed to be that. she regularly talks about her own shortcomings, as do her teammates and even foes. People being falliable and trying despite it is a recurring things in the series. Sorry, that's just a bit of a personal hang up. hope i'm not being a bother
I've never seen this show before but this speech is stunning. I was honestly on edge the whole time. I guess the "ticking" really does make the difference!
Don't know what's worse. Being able to see and hear your death coming, or being blind but have ultra-sensitive hearing that tells you your death is coming from a mile away.
This scene, but it's daredevil abducted and left in the middle of a reclusive millionaire's Death Valley estate, where they've set up 5 miles of 3 parallel traintracks, some steel cable, and one functional steam locomotive, its whistle blowing once every 30 seconds, its engine starting up. Enjoy, Lawyer!
id say the former- because over time your mind will calm down alittle and you will gain some sanity and better judgement. Having time to contemplate death ruins the fear of it. ... I promise I dont have personal experience with this sort of thing, just logical.
I always enjoy a villain who’s in it for the thrill, shits and giggles of chaos, no overly done poetic justice (while a good character quality is overplayed as hell)
@mohamed zayan This makes me think of another quote: "You think you know someone. You travel with them, talk with them, relate to them... and then you watch them apologize to a *corpse."* "I'm sorry old friend. You forgot who I am. You forgot _what_ I am. And _you forgot what I can_ *do."*
@mohamed zayan I wish I could remember the title. It was from a webcomic that unfortunately got canceled about a decade ago. The story had themes of the Fae Court and the Veil. The protagonists were a woman who accidentally trapped herself and another guy into a bargain for giving him medical aid. In exchange, he had to tell her "What is going on.", except he has no idea why people are trying to kill him, so he can't fulfill his bargain. The guy in question had the ability to find _anything,_ provided he knew enough about what he was looking for. One thing he could find was _a way to kill you._ No matter who you were or how powerful you were. Actually _acting_ upon that knowledge was another matter, however. This quote happened when she pissed off a werewolf, it attacked her, and he strangled the werewolf with a nearby civilian's silver pocket-watch. "Silver! Where did you-" "I FOUND it."
MY favorite part about the scene is when he leaves and it zooms out of the shot and even we are left to wonder... "Did that guy make it out, was the train on the other track?"
And better yet, it ultimately doesn’t matter. The whole point on Red Death’s part was to send a message to the Peril Partnership that the Guild wasn’t afraid of them, and he set it up so as to get his point across regardless of what happened, either by (if Blind Rage survives) making it so that Blind Rage has to report back to the Peril Partnership about the incident, or (if Blind Rage dies) letting news of Blind Rage’s death inevitably reach the Peril Partnership one way or another.
He has an excellent point. The ticking of a bomb clock could psychologically destroy an enemy. You not only defeat them psychically you get in their heads and defeat them mentally. it's a complete victory. It also sends a message to their allies that if they mess with you not only will you kill them you will toy with them first while implying that they are not even a threat to you just an annoyance that will be handled.
During the later phases of the battle of Stalingrad the Soviets played the sound of a ticking clock over loudspeakers for the encircled Germans. A voice would occasionally break in to announce “Every seven seconds a German soldier dies in Russia. Stalingrad, mass grave."
There is this Alfred Hitchcock short movie about a guy who ends up tied in a basement and there is this bomb which is hooked to a eletric timmer (You know those things you plug you other eletric devices in) and just before the bomb explodes there is a p ower failure. Later he is found by police but he went insane from the near death experience. I forgot the name of this short. It was one of many short movies on a DVD.
@@BlueGrimgrin False. This was in a movie and later some idiots wrote books and included it in them. Can't believe people read books written by authors so stupid they think what they see in Hollywood is real. The reality is that Russia didn't have guns or ammo much less speakers.
This is why I love villains like “Red Death”, because he has experience. He knows what to do and how to do it, he’s not over confident like multiple other villains. He knows how to physically and mentally take out his enemies, by taking their greatest strength and turning it into their greatest weakness. He can also torture you with it in a way that makes you very uncomfortable and very vulnerable. Like what he is doing with “Blind Rage” right now, he knows that “Blind rage” can hear which track the train is on because he knows that his other senses are hyped (namely his hearing). He is also taunting him when he does the “Ticking” noise. This is why not only do I like this villain, but I also respect the hell out of him, and this goes out to all those other villains like him, the ones who know how to physically and mentally take out their enemies weather they are other heroes or fellow villains.
Also because Blind rage is well Blind, red death adding "it could be on another track" just adds to the fear, he can't tell whether he'll live or die, and even if he was not blind, but facing the other way, he still couldn't tell cause of the light
They personified that in the discworld character of Cohen the barbarian. Him and his mates are in their late 80s early 90s and they are still kicking ass
I think it's so horrifically badass because he's talking about true malevolence. He's talking about causing suffering and distress _for its own sake._ He's not talking about getting a hero out of the way because they're causing a problem for crime business. He's not killing because it's instinct like a wild animal might have. No. He _wants_ to revel in the suffering for what it is on its own. That's genuine evil, and sometimes it's worth demonstrating in a story despite it often being considered "boring."
I don't think genuine evil is boring, I think it's often mishandled. A character like that can certainly be interesting, look at certain versions of the Joker, but they have to have a certain presentation and joy in what they do. Not alternating from blank faced to generic manic laughter. Edit: I should mention this video is an example of it being done right!
@@baileyface54 I'd almost argue that some iterations of the Joker _do_ have motivations beyond just "cause suffering." Dark Knight's Joker seemed like he was out to prove a point, and Joker 2019's Joker seemed almost like the feral animal archetype. But yeah, I agree that it's not an inherently boring thing to have a "genuine evil" character. Just always lazily done.
@@Woodside235 Oh I absolutely agree some versions of Joker are more complex in motivation, why I made the point to say "certain versions" in my original comment. Complete tangent, but one version I thought interesting suggested that rather than being insane, he might be dealing with some type of "Super Sanity" meaning he's taking in and fully processing everything and can't shut it off or filter it. That hyper awareness overloads him to the point he can't handle it, and he copes by mirroring others. This would suggest that his belief that he can't exist without batman is closer to literal than it sounds. People are mutable and changeable, complex and contradictory...but Batman is a rock. Joker sees something that never moves in the waters of chaos and in mirroring it, he can finally form a personality. And when that personality starts to shift, he just looks at his bat shaped rock in the waters, mirrors, and realigns back into the Joker. Sure that personality maybe a Manic clown with 0 regard for human life, sure that personality may be one of chaos and whim....but it's closer to someone than he was before. Would also explain why he doesn't want to know Batman's true identity. Batman is a rock he can hold a mirror up to and trust it to be consistent enough for Joker to have a face....maybe the man underneath isn't so solid though. Maybe the man underneath is just water and smoke just like everyone else. Of course that's just one version. Just a random thought, sorry. Grats to anyone who actually read that lol
@@baileyface54 I totally agree. I would also like to add, that I think part of the reason Suicide Squad's Joker failed to be an appreciated version of the clown was, apart from his laughable looks, his lack of the type of malevolence most Jokers possess. He was living the life of a mafia boss, spending time in clubs, drinking expensive booze and enjoying impulsive pleasure, having his goons attend to his every need and be afraid of him. He was living in a power fantasy. But that is not the truest and most horrifying type of evil. I would argue it is the most pathetic, predictable, and pathological type of evil. The truest form of malevolence is, just like you said, the desire to inflict more suffering on others, just for the sake of it, just for the sake of hatred and resentment. Just for the laughs. And this evil exists, and it is able to bring absolute hell on Earth. You don't need to look further than 20th-century atrocities. A century that harbored many different hells, such as Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union.
Remember when you looked upon the Schadenfreude villain, with his silly moustache, impractical clothes, plans that never seem to work, and tendency towards distracting grandiloquence, and wondered just why anyone would go to those lengths? Love for the craft.
I like that Red Death not only made an old school cliche work, but make me realize, why and how it's so terrifying. I'm not the only one, who thought about that this method is so cartoonish at this point and it just became a comedic cliche, but now I shitting my pants over that method of killing
This video actually made my mind drift back to a very distant memory I have of when I was like, 8 years old, and had a whole-ass breakdown over the thought of how scary it would be to get tied to train tracks. I haven’t thought about this cliche in that way in a long time, and it felt weird to be reminded of it.
Being able t feel the ground slowly rumbling more and more the sound of the train getting louder and louder, being tied down and desperately trying to escape. The one good part is that, well, at the very least it’ll be quick.
There was an achievement in Red Dead Redemption for hogtying someone and leaving them on train tracks to get run over. While waiting for a train to come run over a nun I had captured, it really kinda set in that "Damn....this is a pretty fucked up way to go", but I wanted that achievement, so I got over it pretty quickly.
Red Death, by far my favorite villain of the entire show, Monarch became less of a villain and more his own character, sort of a hero, this guy, is just a straight up bad guy, and he LOVES being a bad guy. And there’s nothing more entertaining then a villain who enjoys his job.
Monarch being a villain and his own character doesn't make him less of a villain, he still definitely is, and my favorite of the series. But we all agree that Red Death is amazing and awesome.
Monarch is more like Starscream. He's still a villain, he just does his own thing to the point where he makes an ass out of himself, yet still manages to be cunning and resourceful when it comes down to it
What's most fascinating is that he can differentiate between work and his home life. He's a great dad, he wants good for his family, but when it's time for work...
Red Death may love his job, but to him, it’s just a job. He’ll terrorize anyone the Guild tells him to and love every bit of it, then he’ll leave the schtick while he goes home to his wife and daughter. The Monarch is different, this is his life, his passion. While he loves the villain lifestyle, he can’t just arch anybody like Red Death. He only cares about true hate. I think he just likes to arch people who are awful, regardless of their label as “hero” or villain, hence why he loves hating Dr. Venture, he had great chemistry with Captain Sunshine, and he enjoyed going after villains as Blue Morpho.
Never seen the Venture Bros before, but this scene is excellent, it shows how terrorific a completely evil villain is when is not being written to look like a loser.
The funniest part? The villain is a really nice guy and total professional. He's a family man outside of business. He only acts as a villain one night a year.
I will regularly trip over things Venture Bros references at random throughout the years without even realizing they were references at the time, this show's writing was top notch. Like last year I tripped over what the weird guy running in the sewer was from. This show was made from top to bottom by total nerds and it's glorious.
I think something that goes unsaid here is the idea that, due to that ticking, that time for despair, it isn't just the victim it tortures- it's their allies. There was time. You could've saved them but didn't. They were left in despair while you didn't even know they were there. /that's/ the impact of a deathtrap like this.
It’s never made clear whether or not Blind Rage survives, but the best part about this scene is that it ultimately doesn’t matter, because either way Red Death has already accomplished what he had set out to do. If BR escapes, he would have to report back to the Peril Partnership about what happened, thus delivering the exact message that RD wanted to deliver. And if BR dies, RD will still have gotten his point across to the PP the moment they learn of BR’s death.
Clancy Brown's performance as Red Death is freaking amazing. I mean he's always amazing but I haven't enjoyed hearing him voice a character this much in a while.
I thought I recognized his voice. I've never seen the animated series outside of stumbling across this very video, but I recognized the guttural tone when he growled "Lesson's not over, sonny!"
I love how out of all the details of the old days of villainy he misses the ticking. It's that kind of little appreciation a character can have that makes them feel human.
This really is villainy at its finest. The best bad guys can take the most tired of routines and give them new meaning, and this scene is a perfect example of that.
The reason being is because a complex villain is good for driving a theme about what are morals. A simple villain is an embodiment of a force of nature, and is good because it drives an inherent conflict.
@@steeledminer616 Not really, a simple evil villain can challenge the concept of morals if done right. For example the idea that all life has some value in itself is beautifully challenged by someone who dismisses any value of live by their actions.
@@DundG Oh sure, but what I mean is a complicated villain makes the area more gray. It no longer becomes an "Is A or B right?" and moreso becomes "What aspects would make A or B right?" This could be Handsome Jack, for example; Wants to rid the world of bandits. In most circumstance this would be a good goal, however it's a case where the means now are brought into question. Where a simple villain, meanwhile, provides the immediate contrast between to parts of the spectrum. This is stuff such as Joker, who embodies Chaos, and wants nothing more than to cause it, contrasted by Batman who embodies order. Which option comes down to what type of narrative you're trying to drive; Is it a question about the means? The end-goal? The role of a hero?
Now that I think about it, I think he is talking about Snidely Whiplash from the old show Dudley Do-Right. I have seen the show on a retro channel and Snidely is just the perfect example.
Now Sympathetic villains are the apparent High tier villains but there's something about villains who are evil for the sake of it that's truly classic. Villains who do evil because it is: The Joker(despite whatever tragic backstory they may attach), the Red Skull, Darksied, Unicron, and to name a few.
Yeah I think sympathetic villains are good CHARACTERS but as villains they just don’t fit the mold. If a guys is enjoyable because you give them empathy and love for their actions they aren’t good villains they’re good characters, a good VILLAIN is the guy you love for his lack of empathy and care yet are still, the ones that are evil for the sake of being evil are genuine villains.
That's why so many of the classic Disney villains are so beloved and remembered. I can appreciate a good sympathetic villain, but it's tricky to do those WELL and still make them actually be a villain. It's way too easy to do them wrong and when movies aren't interested in making good stories/art, but just doing what's popular to follow the money, then we get tried of the archetype.
You know there is something else that makes this so much more chilling: We're used to seeing this scene where the hero either escapes or comes to the rescue. However, villains keep doing it regardless, which suggests that it works. What if the times the hero succeeds and the villain fails, aka the times we see it on screen, are the abnormalities, because that hero just happened to be sufficiently skilled/prepared/lucky, and we just never see the dozens if not hundreds of times it worked. I'm going to compare this to GI Joe's Cobra for a moment. Cobra looks like a clown-run organization that always loses. Yet Cobra has managed to engage in large scale human trafficking more than once, manage to operate a maintain a known business front the Joes can't get shut down, seemingly manage to raise capital above and beyond that, attracted some people that are highly skilled and competent in their fields, and needs a dedicated task force just to hinder and spoil SOME of their activities (suggesting that the Joes/similar task forces and occasionally some oddly skilled/lucky civilians are the only ones capable enough to even challenge the organization). You take a step back from what you see on screen and assume you only see the times the heroes win, and not when they fail, or the villain is fighting someone else, things get fucking terrifying fast.
I am reminded of Order of the Stick, where Tarquin discusses what all evil empires have in common: That they exist, have existed for a long time and are incredibly powerful UNTIL the hero comes in and ruins everything. As he later says, paraphrased, yeah the last ten minutes sucked but he got to have fun AND got to live in the lap of luxury and enjoyment until his defeat.
Or the hero's death wasn't the intention. The intention could be simply to mess with the victim, to bring them to the brink of death over and over again until they're too messed up psychologically to be a threat. It could also be for bragging rights in the villain community. Yeah, the villain could have simply put a bullet in Batman's brain in the 1960s show, but where's the show in that? Where's the "honor"? That's what a common crook would do. A real villain would make a show out of it. The point isn't to kill the hero, but to show off to other villains, to get their respect and make a few of them envious of your vision and resources.
Very well said. I never really took the time to think about it from this perspective, but now I can put that to any villainous organization as well. Down right terrifying really.
..... Brilliant. Twisted, intimidating, and a true master of his craft. We should never forget the old school acts of heroics and villainy. Especially if we want to create comic book heroes and villains.
Gotta admire a villain who takes the time and effort to do a deep-dive into the nuances of villainy. How to set up a satisfying kill, why it's so effective, the intangible effects it all has on the condemned party, and even the silver lining (to the villain) should the hero find a way to escape. Not everyone puts so much love into the betterment of their own craft.
I guess what makes the victim's death so sweet is their expression of terror and dread when they're tied to the tracks and see a train coming at them. When they find or are told that there's a chance of escaping, their expression turns to a hopeful one, a glimpse of a smile on their faces. They nudge and struggle for a bit, feeling the ropes loose and loose. Finally! They could escape and survive this. All they had to do is keep doing this then they're free. Then the sound of the train's honk gets their attention and they realize the train is close. The expression of hope, turns into fear, terror, dread, and despair as they struggle, scream, and cry, trying to call out to anyone for help but no one answers. So all they can do is close their eyes, or scream their last. Nightmarish and horrifying experience to be ever put in. And I can see why most "Gentlemen" Villains, or Classy types love that trope despite it being overdone. The tension, the peril, the panic, then the expressions on their faces. Villains love seeing their victims expressions of fear, terror, and etc because it's both sweet and delicious. Huh...
Uhm....please, it's always the same mistake that almost all villains do when they tries to destroy their enemies, please! They HAVE to STAY in front of them and watching die to see they are completing their mission which is destroying them. If you don't do that, they run away from you, the villain one! XD
What's funny is that Red Death actually gets things done. He actually ends up getting people killed according to plan instead of either by accident or sheer idiocy unlike other villains on The Venture Bros.
Even when killing is not apart of the plan, remember when they infiltrated Dummy Corp and Dr. Mrs. The Monarch asked him how long they had until the OSI agents work back up?
a lot of poorly done villains will just talk shit, present some ideology that the heroes oppose and prove wrong, and get nothing done. 99% of the time, villains tend to be complete and total jobbers. a hurdle for the hero to overcome. and i dont think hurdles are very menacing. and its something to be stated about the "new school" villains, who try to be complex and present an ideology, it doesnt create the same level of ABSOLUTE MENACE that an old school villain does.
The Monarch is good, but isn't dedicated to killing. He just wants to annoy Dr Venture. If he actually kill is arch, he would be left aimless, with no goal . End up losing his wife, and even Gary, and do drugs, because he has accomplished his life goal.
This is why Batman works as a hero and Superman doesn't. Batman doesn't always swing in and save the day, sometimes the villians win and leave corpses in thier wake.
@@mikevignola4213 That's again missing the whole point of why classic heroes and villains worked. The classic heroes were there to inspire hope and the idea of goodness, to make things right in dark times. That was the whole point of Superman. The heroes that aren't "goody two shoes" or are "realistic" seem just as pathetic as these "complex villains with a point". Both seem merely as an edgy teenager's wet dream.
Red death is simply amazing. A good husband and father at home while a terrifying and brutal supervillain. Clancy brown is the perfect voice for such a amazing villain. I like his skull face and his grim reaper motif with that robe and scythe
That’s real villainy. Sure the new stuff is much more efficient but it lacks soul and style, trapping someone in a room with a toxin bomb might be super effective and efficient but it lacks the style and character of tying them up with some good old fashioned rope and leaving them with 3 sticks of dynamite and an alarm clock attached to the bundle as it ticks
I guess this would only work in movies where super-heroes don't exist Because if a super hero does exist you can't do this normal stuff, they would either instantly break the rope/chain or they would survive the train/dynamite.
@@bbittercoffee assuming your not using the normal.stuff to lure in the hero FOR the BIG STUFF hehehehe they bust in hearing the ticking Bomb and set off the mines hahahaha
@@bbittercoffee not necessarily; sure, some heroes have powers that'll get them out, but a lot don't. aside from that, not everyone is a superhero, and tying a hostage to a train track is just as poetic.
@@aldar8240 Idk about you, I'm not into comic book stuff and don't really know many other heroes aside from the DC and MCU ones, but like, all of them have some sort of way to break free from basically any simple trap, some have a background in freeing themselves from tricky situations (black widow), others have super technology at their disposal(tony stark, falcon), and others just have super strength/a way of changing their bodies enough to get out of these situations (spider-man, ant-man, hulk), if they don't have any of these, then they are just super smart and just make shit up on the spot while remaining calm (which is what kills you in these traps) And tying a normal person is what I meant, a normal person is the only way this trap doesn't become meaningless. Now, if you wish to enlighten me on these super-heroes that are too weak/too-dumb (no better way to put it, really) to not be able to break free, then I'm all ears.
@@bbittercoffee admittedly, there are a *lot* of heroes who have the central power of "strong", but there are plenty of cases where a character can't get out, usually to do with weaknesses. For instance, Iron Man or Falcon could easily be train-tracked to death IF you can separate them from their tech. Along the same lines, a lot of heroes just don't have escape artist powers, like telepaths without mind control, precognitives, and power copiers. These powers aren't weak or useless, but if the villain puts a bit of work in to get around their powerset they can be beaten all the same.
The few seconds before this part are just awesome too. Blind Rage still talking shit to Red Death thinking he can't do anything about it and Red Death just floors him with one punch.
Maybe when Spectre was goading Batman into killing Joe Chill probably to make him go down the path of becoming a Punisher-like vigilante (or given that is DC someone like Adrian Chase who goes by the very unsubtle name of Vigilante); this is more brutal though.
its nice to see the venture brothers writers not yet again stroking themselves off making of fun "cliche's" and for once embrace the reason why it became formulaic, because do it right, and it gives you chills just as much as any work of Shakespeare.
Exactly! Certain things become Tropes not because many use them, they become Tropes because THEY WORK (if used properly), that is why many people keep using those Tropes.
I see your point and agree, but I’ve definitely _never_ gotten chills from anything Shakespeare. Though perhaps I haven’t seen it in the right context or delivered by the right team. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@ViperliciousOG To each their own, Shakespeare was just an example, the main point was anything that has drama and delivered with a sense of passion, that can be anything from the works of Plato, to even Hollywood types like Zack Snyder, its about working what has always worked because its good and you have some degree of talent to tap into what still makes it good instead of like I quoted before, spending way to much time taking the piss out of cliché's which the Venture Bro's writers did way to much
I think why Blind Rage tried so desperately to escape was he knew the train was on his track, he knew where Dr Girlfriend was and how much wine was in her glass. Blind Rage knew he was done for and he could only pray it would be quick and painless end for him.
Possibly. Blind Rage would also have a chance of faking helplessness, and twisting his body sideways to lie under the train as it passes at the last moment too. But after that level of humiliation by The Red Death? He might be so broken that he retires from hero-ing and is never seen again.
@ true, imagine giving an “old geezer” like Red Death so much crap only to be beat down with one hit then having him tie you to a train track like an old timey damsel in distress, your coworkers will NEVER let you live it down
I think that's inherently the problem now, and why more super movies have started re-embracing their "silly" side. We've had so many deconstructions and curveballs, that the best curve is a straight line. Embracing why these things were tropes to be deconstructed in the first place.
And then everyone will start doing the classic villain and it'll become stale again, leading people to start deconstructing again to make it fresh once more, which'll then be done to death once more.
The best part that really sells this as well as many scenes like it is the initial boredom. They’re comparing the current state of things while lamenting what was lost, it feels like they’re trying to relive the moment but won’t get their hopes up. But then something shows up that lets them know what they lament is still alive and suddenly they’re jubilant. That momentary salvation from boredom lets people know they truly enjoy what they do. And it’s what always sells a villain and their motivation.
While the Monarch succeeds as a villain with his true honest despising of Doc, The Red Death, however, succeeds at loving to be a villain. Red doesn't arch for the hate of the enemy, he kills for the fun of the game.
Fun fact: The "Bad man ties somebody innocent to the railroad tracks" trope actually predates the medium of film itself. The trope was actually started in theater. In fact, "A race for a life," (one earliest film versions of that scene) was meant to parody it being such a common plot device in theater.
For such a simple speech, this villain monologue ranks far and above 90% of the usual drivel villains spew in more recent shows and films. Like I don't know how to explain it but just the sheer MENACE this guy gives off in this scene is amazing.
I swear I don't understand why anyone would fuck with a guy who: 1. calls himself Red Death. 2. Looks (and sounds) like he could melt steel by glaring at it, and 3. Whose motivation for being a villain, aside from providing a stable life for his family apparently; is simply how much he enjoys killing! Blind Rage brought this on himself. Seriously dude; know your target! Red Death pulls off the villain monologue without it being goofy in a satire designed to deconstruct all the tropes behind the hero/villain world! Its a short list of people who can pull that off!
@@itarH Yes he is blind; but he's basically Daredevil. As a result he can tell exactly how huge Red Death is. Even if he couldn't; look up Red Death's encounter with The Monarch, Red Death is a legend in the evil industry. You only mess with someone like him if you're certain you can kill him before he kills you, and Blind Rage had no chance of that. Any smart upstart would realize that. Even The Monarch wouldn't do so once he realized how dangerous Red Death was just after talking with him for a few minutes.
Classic Xanatos Gambit, where both outcomes are a victory for the same party. If he dies, Red Death gets the thrill of killing someone in a classy way and has one less headache to worry about. If he survives, Red Death's message reaches the Peril Partnership, likely making them more hesitant in getting in the Guild's way again. Either way, Red Death wins.
Red Death's message is delivered no matter what, actually. Blind Rage survives? Cool, he can relay the message personally. Blind Rage dies? They know who killed him. And they know why.
Apparently it's “Tighten”. I mean, Megamind probably meant “Titan” when he gave him the name, but Tighten eye-lasered “Tighten” into the cityscape. I say the superhero/villain is the one whose version of their name is authoritative. Plus, c'mon, it's awesome and hilarious.
@@atimholt that’s legit everything that was in mind. Megamind meant Titan, but Eugene was a dumbass and thought he meant “tight”. I think he even spelled it like that when carving up the city.
For a single game, yes. Crash 2 was the only game Clancy's Cortex actually sounded menacing. Every performance afterwards, he sounds either tired or disinterested.
@@AgentHooligan Interestingly, in the About Time game, he's actually tired. He's come to the realization that he's always going to lose to Crash. At the very beginning of the game, he's outright given up on trying to escape the end of time, because he doesn't see the point. He turns around somewhat in order to try and prevent Crash from being created in the first place via time travel, but he's actually an ally for a big portion of the game because he's decided to side with Crash against N. Tropy after a minor breakdown when he loses again.
Yup, and some thought he was too scary. So they made him a tired, disinterested buffoon instead. Not to take away from Lex Lang, if you want cartoony evil, his voice and delivery are perfect.
Red naked skeleton dude talks about how classy it is to tie someone to train tracks or how he misses the good old times when dynamite bombs ticked... *Why the hell is it so terrifying?!*
@@DGneoseeker1 Yes he is. Its just designed to look like human muscles. We haven't ever actually seen him without a shirt on so we don't know if he lacks skin on his entire body, or if its just discolored to look like muscles, or what.
@@barbatosmcmurderton4209, well, I mean his daughter's arms and legs are both red as well, so I'd say it's reasonable to assume that his whole body looks the same as his head
Because suspense is where real drama happens. Someone who is completely composed amidst that drama is terrifying. Someone who is not only composed but devious and relishing it is downright chilling.
The thing I love about this scene is how at 1:05 you can see the lights from between the tracks illuminating one by one as the train advances, like seconds on a clock. Such a powerful, subtle image.
I think his last real big arch was Professor Cadmium. RD got to the point he hated him so much it was starting to effect his marriage, so he killed Cadmium and became more devoted to his family.
Even though it's highly unlikely that Blind Rage escaped; I like that they still kind of leave the suspense by showing the train going past but not confirming whether or not he was hit. And chances are, if he did survive; he's not going to fuck with Red Death or the rest of the guild of calamitous intent ever again, he's just going to put down the costume, drift off into obscurity and finish law school.
The only thing greater than this moment was the fact that he threw away his "final arch," to do it, lol Now, bare in mind, The Guild knows everything about it's own people. Every new guild council member was given one last joy ride as a villain, tailored to there specific history (one last shot arching a hero they arched their whole career, or just something tailored specifically for them to enjoy). Red Death *didn't even open it,* because _this_ was what he wanted to do the most, lol
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The fact this is technically his last kill as an active villian before joining the council seems like a pretty iconic way of ending ones career.
I dunno. It's not like this is a big public statement or a final showdown with a nemesis.
It's "jobber" villain stuff. And its personal. Which is the point for Red Death, I think.
he showed these kids how it's done, and now he's telling them how it is _going_ to be done from now on
Lesson learned: We all laugh at the hoary old _"helplessly tied to railroad"_ cliche until we're the ones tied to the railroad.
Lex luthor having a monologue about tying someone to a train track, while telling his entire plan
and a couple hundred tons of unstoppable mass it looking to deliver you a nice big bumper sandwich.
Yeah, it is a horrifying way to die.
Normally, a villain monologing is considered an overdone trope. Guys like THIS, using it to further instill fear in the fallen, THAT is what makes the trope so worth having in the first place!!!
Also he's monalouging when he's in complete control
Usually what mskes the monologue trope annoying is it is used to give the hero time to escape. BlindRage was completly helpless so that wasn't a posibility here.
Here, having the villan monologuing while the victim tries desperately to escape is actually terrifying. Shows how hopeless the situation is Red Death can take the time to get lost in talking with his back turned
Tropes aren't inherently bad it's just how you use them. You use the too clumsly then you'll just be boring and generic
@@user-pi3hd2bt3f And Red Death doesn't even care if he DOES escape, he's already made his point; Never fuck with an old veteran in a profession where you're likely to die young.
@@NoahSpraguevarious anime are guilty of that.
Thing about those old timey villains being seen as silly or childish is that they would always fail
not this time
Gotta admire his ability to make p’s and b’s without lips.
His evilness allow him to do that
Skeletor taught him well
I really wanted to like this, but it’s at 666 already and I can’t break that up
I was about to make a comment about his lips too but meeh u did it first XD
Who else tried to do this while spreading their lips.
The elloquence of Lex Luthor and the brutality of the Kurgan. An excellent combination.
Brent catherman and the physique of Zim
With a Red Skull coat of paint to add that little bow on top
Julian David Hoffer and the colouring of Mr Crab!
@@Maxibon2007 damn it you beat me to the mr krabs reference!
@@Maxibon2007 even sounds like him at 0:28.
the most effective part about this monologue is Red Death's insistence that the death is designed to give them hope
if they knew they were going to die, they could accept it and seem proud as they died, having a chance to accept it
but with this death, they struggle in vain, and die terrified and desparate, which makes the victory more complete
Well said
It's even better, it denies the victim dignity, as you mention it encourages a struggle.
However, it also punishes acceptance as the chance for escape means that acceptance implies defeat and weakness.
A taste more succulent and sweet than the ripest fruit, Red death has class.
ye but my mans didnt try to stand lmao
@@KenkadeLinden I'm sure it's incredibly easy to lift yourself up from a prone position while your arms, and legs are tied up. Even IF you manage to do that you have to find a way to hobble off the tracks without falling again. This is all while a train is barreling toward you, your mind isn't focusing since you are hearing a blaring horn, and the incoming train. Panic sets in and you start making mistakes.
and even if you manage to stand up, or attempt to stand, the villain is probably sitting there watching you. So even if you make it off the tracks he'll probably throw you back on, or just shoot you regardless.
This is a very no win situation.
The red death is legitimately a terrifying villain and the juxtaposition of his love for his family, professionalism and his ruthless bloodthirsty nature is brilliant.
My favourite line is "ooo brownies"
'Professionals have standards'
-TF2 Sniper
Fun fact Red Death was the one who came up with the saying “love what you do and you’ll never work a day in your life”
They found the perfect voice actor for him...."lesson's not over, sunny."
Funny to think he also voiced Mr. Krabs. Clancy Brown is one helluva guy.
@@calebturner405 And Lex Luthor too, another classic villain
And Hades in God Of War 3 and beyond. You can hear the Hades in his voice when he says "LESSON NOT OVER, SONNY."
And hank from detroit become human. AND has been in a ton of movies and shows, this man is a gem of a actor
He’s in starship troopers aswell gang!
Worst part about this for Blind Rage? With those heightened senses of his, he knows EXACTLY which track the train is on AND how far away it is.
Except with how loud it is it could’ve ended up Disorienting him making him unable to know what side of the track he’s on
@@garganrose they hit him? Because I think we would have been getting like a swishing sound if it did
@@bryarrogers8995 If a train hits you there won't be a sound, I think they were going for how muted that death was
@@bryarrogers8995 the thing about the venture Brothers however anytime I character does not die on screen they are practically guaranteed to come back later with some weird explanation as to how they survive their ordeal.
@@garganrose I mean, skullface here literally gave them an out, "the train was on the other track"
"It's simple, inexpensive, personal and deadly"
"But! It gives you a little hope, maybe you'll escape."
"LESSON'S! NOT! OVER! SUNNY!!!"
@@Funnyfly0 "Now, the gentleman villain had these old school time bombs, three sticks of dynamite wired to an alarm clock. And what was so poetic about that is that they ticked, you could _hear_ them, tick, tick, tick. Nowadays they're just digital, no sound, no peril."
@@shadowstrider8295 Oh, ohoho! Do you hear that? *THERE'S* the ticking!
@@B11-n8v The train is coming! Is it on this track? Tick, tick, tick...
"Not bad for an old man,huh?"
That is the single most badass line in this entire scene,there's nothing more scary than an evil super villan that knows they've won and milks that victory for all it's worth
“Fear a old man in a profession where men die young”
@@mysteryjunkie9808 I've heard that somewhere before.
@@drysoup3017 It's a commonly used quote coined by a veteran marine, Kevin Lacz, iirc.
@@Sassaparilla thanks
Makes me wonder, would've Red Death been more mercifull had Blind Rage not been so arrogant and disrespectful to him?
Now THAT is a good deconstruction and reconstruction of the stuff super villains do. We mock the idea of a super villains going into monologues, explaining things, giving their victims so many chances to escape. But here, Red Death demonstrates why it's SO CLASSY, SO STYLISH, and SO TERRIFYING. The explanation and the chance to escape only makes it more horrific when it fails and you realize how deadly the trap was.
Hope is the worst thing you can give to someone trapped in a truly hopeless situation
i had to set up a challenge course for my JROTC camp in high school. I totally used a rope with a bucket of acid (water) over the head of a tied up flight commander. The rope was set over a candle and it would give the group about 5 minutes to do their challenge before the rope burned and the commander got drenched. I was really impressed by just how perfectly it worked.
The main problem was that 5 minutes was not enough time to do the challenge; they all failed. lol
The Venture Brothers.
Currently on Hulu.
Sadly the show got cancelled last month.
Enjoy, but don't fall in love with it.
@@SpaceMissile That sounds like a great trap.
Take your 1,000th like
All I see is a guy who loves his job, nothing wrong with that.
Loves his job, loves his family, loves his life.
Well he did say he’s the GENTLEMAN Villain.
Until you tackled someone like him by chance in the wrong place at the wrong time.
No phone In sight, just two men living in the moment
@Terry Bishop I must need help then 😁
Simple, inexpensive personal and deadly
God damn Clancy Brown is a hell of a villain.
Reminds me of when he blew Grodd out of an airlock
Luthor: Goodbye Grodd. It could have gone the other way.
Grodd: It really could have, couldn't it?
Luthor: No, but why speak ill of the dead?
Clancy Brown is the only Lex Luthor.
didn't he voice the baron in jak 2
@@justinpoulson Yes, Baron Praxis. Good times.
Dude! I didnt realize this was Luthor speaking! XD
*LESSON'S NOT OVER, SONNY!*
The fact that the mounting light on Red Death's cape and hood kept building is proof positive of true dedication to the craft of animation~
Now that's what I call a supervillain. Classy, evil, disciplined, and enjoys the little details that makes being a supervillain so enjoyable.
I miss villains like this. Now a days they just suck; like the Diamonds from Seven Universe just disappointing all around. Imagine if Steven had to fight red skull there how would that go for him?!
For one thing, they aren’t villains, more or less just trying to make their civilization thriving
Your right there're just trying to make their civilization thrive; they're just like Ben 10's Incursions their not villains their just misunderstood conquers who have killed off countless other civilizations for resources and more or less for fun.
Okay, that is an evil empire, the second you said doing it for fun, that makes an evil empire. The diamonds are conquerers, but they don’t do it for fun, they do it for their own progress, but maybe the people who created the diamonds meant it for them to be something else, but they don’t do it for blood shedding
We'll find out in future eps if whether or not.
You know something? As a villain in general, Red Death works. His costume works, his weapon works, his gimmick, his aesthetic, his personality, that horse thing he rides, it all comes together. He could be a villain in any of the major comics out there, though he probably works best here, in this show.
Imagine him talking to dead pool
@@kydronoc8437 Death'd probably hate dp ngl
What show is this?
@@hebercluff1665 it's called Venture Bros.
@@idfrigginkman wait for real? You mean this dude lives in the same universe as Brock Sampson? IDK whether the idea of their confrontation excites or scares me...
Now that I think of it. He’s right. If there’s no escape, the hero is prepared to die. But if you give them hope, they don’t come to peace with it. Sun tzu said not to pressure an enemy too hard, leave one route to escape
When an enemy fights to the death, they become more dangerous. Give them a route to rout, and they will flee, doing you no harm in their (mostly futile) attempt to escape.
@@korbacwystan9333 pretty sure it's a morale thing, if there is no hope you might as well go down fighting, but if there is hope survival instinct will tell you to run for the hills, even if it's a shitty decision
When your enemy turns to flee build them a silver bridge
Damn that’s cool
Except in Sun Tzu's case, I don't think he was planning to psychotically murder his opponents.
Red Death is an ardent believer of “anticipation of death is worse than death itself.”
"If not, eh. Sorry."
Narrator voice: He wasn't actually sorry.
with red death it could be either way, really
@@danielwilson8604 yeah I was about to say it wouldn't surprise me if he genuinely meant it, maybe would get a Ouija board to say sorry to his ghist
The fact that your comment is located right below aother comment talking about heroes being heroes and villains being villains, true evil and moral greyness and your profile picture is that of a character who is supposed to be the representation of everything good of humanity fighting off a villain who is supposed to be everything opposite to that (even though it isn't very well in the actual show) is just *PERFECT!*
Stanley wasn’t actually sorry for the events that had just occurred.
@@mekingtiger9095 sorry, but i don't think she is supposed to be that. she regularly talks about her own shortcomings, as do her teammates and even foes. People being falliable and trying despite it is a recurring things in the series.
Sorry, that's just a bit of a personal hang up.
hope i'm not being a bother
I've never seen this show before but this speech is stunning. I was honestly on edge the whole time. I guess the "ticking" really does make the difference!
Venture Brother is so good ya'll
The show starts out pretty goofy and embracing it then it gradually starts to get pretty dark as the seasons go by.
“The terror is not the sound of the gun, but waiting until it goes off.”-Alfred Hitchcock, paraphrased.
Also helps the voice actor for lex luthor is delivering them. The man knows the finer points of villiany
@@MetaMdad I knew that voice sounded familiar.
Don't know what's worse. Being able to see and hear your death coming, or being blind but have ultra-sensitive hearing that tells you your death is coming from a mile away.
This scene, but it's daredevil abducted and left in the middle of a reclusive millionaire's Death Valley estate, where they've set up 5 miles of 3 parallel traintracks, some steel cable, and one functional steam locomotive, its whistle blowing once every 30 seconds, its engine starting up.
Enjoy, Lawyer!
id say the former- because over time your mind will calm down alittle and you will gain some sanity and better judgement. Having time to contemplate death ruins the fear of it.
... I promise I dont have personal experience with this sort of thing, just logical.
@@ProjectNetoku logic is lost when stress and fear are filling you. This is from talking with suicidal friends
I always enjoy a villain who’s in it for the thrill, shits and giggles of chaos, no overly done poetic justice (while a good character quality is overplayed as hell)
"And if you don't [escape]? Eh... Sorry."
Blind Rage was either going to give the message, or he was going to BE the message.
@mohamed zayan "it's not personal, just business"
@mohamed zayan This makes me think of another quote:
"You think you know someone. You travel with them, talk with them, relate to them... and then you watch them apologize to a *corpse."*
"I'm sorry old friend. You forgot who I am. You forgot _what_ I am. And _you forgot what I can_ *do."*
@mohamed zayan I wish I could remember the title. It was from a webcomic that unfortunately got canceled about a decade ago.
The story had themes of the Fae Court and the Veil. The protagonists were a woman who accidentally trapped herself and another guy into a bargain for giving him medical aid. In exchange, he had to tell her "What is going on.", except he has no idea why people are trying to kill him, so he can't fulfill his bargain.
The guy in question had the ability to find _anything,_ provided he knew enough about what he was looking for.
One thing he could find was _a way to kill you._ No matter who you were or how powerful you were. Actually _acting_ upon that knowledge was another matter, however.
This quote happened when she pissed off a werewolf, it attacked her, and he strangled the werewolf with a nearby civilian's silver pocket-watch.
"Silver! Where did you-"
"I FOUND it."
@mohamed zayan Wait holy crap I just remembered!
"Finders Keepers"
www.finderskeepers.gcgstudios.com/
MY favorite part about the scene is when he leaves and it zooms out of the shot and even we are left to wonder...
"Did that guy make it out, was the train on the other track?"
I like to imagine he was killed and that Red Death KNEW what track the train would be on.
@@nelsonchereta816 I agree. I mean, _this is _*_Red Death_*_ we're talking about here._
I mean, are you not aware of right-of-way rules?
And better yet, it ultimately doesn’t matter. The whole point on Red Death’s part was to send a message to the Peril Partnership that the Guild wasn’t afraid of them, and he set it up so as to get his point across regardless of what happened, either by (if Blind Rage survives) making it so that Blind Rage has to report back to the Peril Partnership about the incident, or (if Blind Rage dies) letting news of Blind Rage’s death inevitably reach the Peril Partnership one way or another.
@@LittleMissRequiem That's what makes him the best villain :) it's not just effective, but brilliant.
He has an excellent point. The ticking of a bomb clock could psychologically destroy an enemy. You not only defeat them psychically you get in their heads and defeat them mentally. it's a complete victory. It also sends a message to their allies that if they mess with you not only will you kill them you will toy with them first while implying that they are not even a threat to you just an annoyance that will be handled.
just like a cat playing with it's prey
During the later phases of the battle of Stalingrad the Soviets played the sound of a ticking clock over loudspeakers for the encircled Germans. A voice would occasionally break in to announce “Every seven seconds a German soldier dies in Russia. Stalingrad, mass grave."
There is this Alfred Hitchcock short movie about a guy who ends up tied in a basement and there is this bomb which is hooked to a eletric timmer (You know those things you plug you other eletric devices in) and just before the bomb explodes there is a p
ower failure. Later he is found by police but he went insane from the
near death experience. I forgot the name of this short. It was one of many short movies on a DVD.
@@BlueGrimgrin False. This was in a movie and later some idiots wrote books and included it in them. Can't believe people read books written by authors so stupid they think what they see in Hollywood is real. The reality is that Russia didn't have guns or ammo much less speakers.
@@dragoneye6229 you believe that by the end of the battle of stalingrad the soviets lacked ammunition? Talk about gullible ...
This is why I love villains like “Red Death”, because he has experience. He knows what to do and how to do it, he’s not over confident like multiple other villains. He knows how to physically and mentally take out his enemies, by taking their greatest strength and turning it into their greatest weakness. He can also torture you with it in a way that makes you very uncomfortable and very vulnerable. Like what he is doing with “Blind Rage” right now, he knows that “Blind rage” can hear which track the train is on because he knows that his other senses are hyped (namely his hearing). He is also taunting him when he does the “Ticking” noise. This is why not only do I like this villain, but I also respect the hell out of him, and this goes out to all those other villains like him, the ones who know how to physically and mentally take out their enemies weather they are other heroes or fellow villains.
Also because Blind rage is well Blind, red death adding "it could be on another track" just adds to the fear, he can't tell whether he'll live or die, and even if he was not blind, but facing the other way, he still couldn't tell cause of the light
Even without Jonas Venture, villains like Red Death and anti-heroes like Blue Morpho are *why* there needs to be rules.
This reminds me of an old saying, Beware anyone that grows old in a profession where most die young.
@James F how'd that last party go? Real lively?
They personified that in the discworld character of Cohen the barbarian. Him and his mates are in their late 80s early 90s and they are still kicking ass
That's Why You Stay Out of Their Territory!!!
@@Morec0 you’re funny 😆
Ohhh. That's a good quote.
Mind if I use that, sometime?
I think it's so horrifically badass because he's talking about true malevolence. He's talking about causing suffering and distress _for its own sake._ He's not talking about getting a hero out of the way because they're causing a problem for crime business. He's not killing because it's instinct like a wild animal might have. No. He _wants_ to revel in the suffering for what it is on its own. That's genuine evil, and sometimes it's worth demonstrating in a story despite it often being considered "boring."
I don't think genuine evil is boring, I think it's often mishandled. A character like that can certainly be interesting, look at certain versions of the Joker, but they have to have a certain presentation and joy in what they do. Not alternating from blank faced to generic manic laughter.
Edit: I should mention this video is an example of it being done right!
@@baileyface54 I'd almost argue that some iterations of the Joker _do_ have motivations beyond just "cause suffering." Dark Knight's Joker seemed like he was out to prove a point, and Joker 2019's Joker seemed almost like the feral animal archetype.
But yeah, I agree that it's not an inherently boring thing to have a "genuine evil" character. Just always lazily done.
@@Woodside235 Oh I absolutely agree some versions of Joker are more complex in motivation, why I made the point to say "certain versions" in my original comment.
Complete tangent, but one version I thought interesting suggested that rather than being insane, he might be dealing with some type of "Super Sanity" meaning he's taking in and fully processing everything and can't shut it off or filter it. That hyper awareness overloads him to the point he can't handle it, and he copes by mirroring others.
This would suggest that his belief that he can't exist without batman is closer to literal than it sounds. People are mutable and changeable, complex and contradictory...but Batman is a rock. Joker sees something that never moves in the waters of chaos and in mirroring it, he can finally form a personality. And when that personality starts to shift, he just looks at his bat shaped rock in the waters, mirrors, and realigns back into the Joker. Sure that personality maybe a Manic clown with 0 regard for human life, sure that personality may be one of chaos and whim....but it's closer to someone than he was before. Would also explain why he doesn't want to know Batman's true identity. Batman is a rock he can hold a mirror up to and trust it to be consistent enough for Joker to have a face....maybe the man underneath isn't so solid though. Maybe the man underneath is just water and smoke just like everyone else. Of course that's just one version.
Just a random thought, sorry. Grats to anyone who actually read that lol
@@baileyface54 I like that interpretation a lot, actually.
@@baileyface54 I totally agree. I would also like to add, that I think part of the reason Suicide Squad's Joker failed to be an appreciated version of the clown was, apart from his laughable looks, his lack of the type of malevolence most Jokers possess. He was living the life of a mafia boss, spending time in clubs, drinking expensive booze and enjoying impulsive pleasure, having his goons attend to his every need and be afraid of him. He was living in a power fantasy. But that is not the truest and most horrifying type of evil. I would argue it is the most pathetic, predictable, and pathological type of evil. The truest form of malevolence is, just like you said, the desire to inflict more suffering on others, just for the sake of it, just for the sake of hatred and resentment. Just for the laughs. And this evil exists, and it is able to bring absolute hell on Earth. You don't need to look further than 20th-century atrocities. A century that harbored many different hells, such as Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union.
Remember when you looked upon the Schadenfreude villain, with his silly moustache, impractical clothes, plans that never seem to work, and tendency towards distracting grandiloquence, and wondered just why anyone would go to those lengths?
Love for the craft.
You never know when it just might work
Megamind said it best: the difference between a Villain and a Super villain is…
“PRESENTATION!”
Well... that and they wanted to make Tesla look bad at the time. Likeness of the villain was a delibrate parody of him.
Halfway through reading that I started hearing red death’s voice
@@partyrock4144 That is quite probably the greatest compliment I have ever received.
The fact that he's a wholesome father and husband makes this all the more epic.
I like that Red Death not only made an old school cliche work, but make me realize, why and how it's so terrifying. I'm not the only one, who thought about that this method is so cartoonish at this point and it just became a comedic cliche, but now I shitting my pants over that method of killing
Wait a minute, you crap paint? I always wondered how they made paint!
@@thispersonwriting1889 We’ll it’s how they make brown paint but yeah.
This video actually made my mind drift back to a very distant memory I have of when I was like, 8 years old, and had a whole-ass breakdown over the thought of how scary it would be to get tied to train tracks. I haven’t thought about this cliche in that way in a long time, and it felt weird to be reminded of it.
Being able t feel the ground slowly rumbling more and more the sound of the train getting louder and louder, being tied down and desperately trying to escape. The one good part is that, well, at the very least it’ll be quick.
There was an achievement in Red Dead Redemption for hogtying someone and leaving them on train tracks to get run over. While waiting for a train to come run over a nun I had captured, it really kinda set in that "Damn....this is a pretty fucked up way to go", but I wanted that achievement, so I got over it pretty quickly.
Red Death, by far my favorite villain of the entire show, Monarch became less of a villain and more his own character, sort of a hero, this guy, is just a straight up bad guy, and he LOVES being a bad guy. And there’s nothing more entertaining then a villain who enjoys his job.
Monarch being a villain and his own character doesn't make him less of a villain, he still definitely is, and my favorite of the series. But we all agree that Red Death is amazing and awesome.
Monarch is more like Starscream. He's still a villain, he just does his own thing to the point where he makes an ass out of himself, yet still manages to be cunning and resourceful when it comes down to it
What's most fascinating is that he can differentiate between work and his home life. He's a great dad, he wants good for his family, but when it's time for work...
Red Death may love his job, but to him, it’s just a job. He’ll terrorize anyone the Guild tells him to and love every bit of it, then he’ll leave the schtick while he goes home to his wife and daughter. The Monarch is different, this is his life, his passion. While he loves the villain lifestyle, he can’t just arch anybody like Red Death. He only cares about true hate. I think he just likes to arch people who are awful, regardless of their label as “hero” or villain, hence why he loves hating Dr. Venture, he had great chemistry with Captain Sunshine, and he enjoyed going after villains as Blue Morpho.
@@battlesheep2552 But he doesn't suffer fools, which is what got Blind Rage into this predicament.
POV: you didn't pay for your Krabby patty and Mr. Krabs has kidnapped you
ohh I get it because the actor dose both, nice
@@thelichhunter5269 Also red and exoskeletal
BIG
MEATY
SCYTHE
Pov=when?
SPONGEBOY ME BOB! I FOUND THE DINE AND DASHER AND TIED HIM DOWN TO SOME TRAINTRACKS AND HE'S ABOUT TO DIE! AR AR AR AR AR!
Hahaha
Never seen the Venture Bros before, but this scene is excellent, it shows how terrorific a completely evil villain is when is not being written to look like a loser.
It's a really great series, one of the best in "adult animation" and is neither stupid nor preachy.
finally someone says the damn name of the show. thank you.
The funniest part? The villain is a really nice guy and total professional. He's a family man outside of business. He only acts as a villain one night a year.
I will regularly trip over things Venture Bros references at random throughout the years without even realizing they were references at the time, this show's writing was top notch. Like last year I tripped over what the weird guy running in the sewer was from. This show was made from top to bottom by total nerds and it's glorious.
@@GraveUypo lmao
I think something that goes unsaid here is the idea that, due to that ticking, that time for despair, it isn't just the victim it tortures- it's their allies. There was time. You could've saved them but didn't. They were left in despair while you didn't even know they were there. /that's/ the impact of a deathtrap like this.
It’s never made clear whether or not Blind Rage survives, but the best part about this scene is that it ultimately doesn’t matter, because either way Red Death has already accomplished what he had set out to do. If BR escapes, he would have to report back to the Peril Partnership about what happened, thus delivering the exact message that RD wanted to deliver. And if BR dies, RD will still have gotten his point across to the PP the moment they learn of BR’s death.
Oh he's very dead, you know what side of the train tracks he's on, and which side the train came on.
And if he runs instead, same message.
Clancy Brown's performance as Red Death is freaking amazing. I mean he's always amazing but I haven't enjoyed hearing him voice a character this much in a while.
BZDsentai i like Clancy brown
He played Lieutenant Hank Anderson in Detroit: Become Human
@BossHossGT500 THAT'S why the gravelly part sounded so familiar!
I thought I recognized his voice. I've never seen the animated series outside of stumbling across this very video, but I recognized the guttural tone when he growled "Lesson's not over, sonny!"
Lex luthor, this character (red death) and then mr.krabs... clancy brown has that recognizable voice.
Blind rage screaming "I'm sorry" while gaged, was an amazing detail.
This is a masterful scene.
I love how out of all the details of the old days of villainy he misses the ticking. It's that kind of little appreciation a character can have that makes them feel human.
And then he realises 'But not having the ticking there makes you hear the train sooner...' a new ticking.
In a way I agree. Though less human, more real.
@@ΣκοτώνωΧαρά Yeah, real is a better word.
Good writing.
No sound, no peril
This really is villainy at its finest. The best bad guys can take the most tired of routines and give them new meaning, and this scene is a perfect example of that.
Average Complex villain fan : ''Both sides ! He has point ! Shades of gray !''
Average Simple Villain enjoyer : ''This guy is just evil,cool''
Both are good, when done right.
The reason being is because a complex villain is good for driving a theme about what are morals.
A simple villain is an embodiment of a force of nature, and is good because it drives an inherent conflict.
You can like both for different reasons, you know.
@@steeledminer616 Not really, a simple evil villain can challenge the concept of morals if done right. For example the idea that all life has some value in itself is beautifully challenged by someone who dismisses any value of live by their actions.
@@DundG Oh sure, but what I mean is a complicated villain makes the area more gray.
It no longer becomes an "Is A or B right?" and moreso becomes "What aspects would make A or B right?"
This could be Handsome Jack, for example; Wants to rid the world of bandits. In most circumstance this would be a good goal, however it's a case where the means now are brought into question.
Where a simple villain, meanwhile, provides the immediate contrast between to parts of the spectrum. This is stuff such as Joker, who embodies Chaos, and wants nothing more than to cause it, contrasted by Batman who embodies order.
Which option comes down to what type of narrative you're trying to drive; Is it a question about the means? The end-goal? The role of a hero?
The way he says "The gentlemen villain" has the same vibe as "Average enjoyer"
Now that I think about it, I think he is talking about Snidely Whiplash from the old show Dudley Do-Right. I have seen the show on a retro channel and Snidely is just the perfect example.
The Chad Red Death
This was terrifying. All these things people usually mock villains for, yet executed perfectly for great effect.
The thing is, the villains keep doing this trope, which suggest that it _works_ and the hero escaping or coming to the rescue is an abnormalty.
the people who made this show probably grew up with things like this fine tuned them to be seen in a way how they seen them
@@oz_jonesOnly Superman really knows how many he didn't save. Because he has to hear them die.
Now Sympathetic villains are the apparent High tier villains but there's something about villains who are evil for the sake of it that's truly classic. Villains who do evil because it is: The Joker(despite whatever tragic backstory they may attach), the Red Skull, Darksied, Unicron, and to name a few.
Yeah I think sympathetic villains are good CHARACTERS but as villains they just don’t fit the mold. If a guys is enjoyable because you give them empathy and love for their actions they aren’t good villains they’re good characters, a good VILLAIN is the guy you love for his lack of empathy and care yet are still, the ones that are evil for the sake of being evil are genuine villains.
yeah man nobody values the joker anymore right?
he's just so overwhelmingly overused that it's ruining DC movies.
@@Jourmand1r yeah it’s like the batman who laughs, he was fun then dc decided to shove him in literally everything, now he’s overused and boring.
That's why so many of the classic Disney villains are so beloved and remembered. I can appreciate a good sympathetic villain, but it's tricky to do those WELL and still make them actually be a villain. It's way too easy to do them wrong and when movies aren't interested in making good stories/art, but just doing what's popular to follow the money, then we get tried of the archetype.
To name another, Pong Krell
You know there is something else that makes this so much more chilling: We're used to seeing this scene where the hero either escapes or comes to the rescue. However, villains keep doing it regardless, which suggests that it works. What if the times the hero succeeds and the villain fails, aka the times we see it on screen, are the abnormalities, because that hero just happened to be sufficiently skilled/prepared/lucky, and we just never see the dozens if not hundreds of times it worked.
I'm going to compare this to GI Joe's Cobra for a moment. Cobra looks like a clown-run organization that always loses. Yet Cobra has managed to engage in large scale human trafficking more than once, manage to operate a maintain a known business front the Joes can't get shut down, seemingly manage to raise capital above and beyond that, attracted some people that are highly skilled and competent in their fields, and needs a dedicated task force just to hinder and spoil SOME of their activities (suggesting that the Joes/similar task forces and occasionally some oddly skilled/lucky civilians are the only ones capable enough to even challenge the organization). You take a step back from what you see on screen and assume you only see the times the heroes win, and not when they fail, or the villain is fighting someone else, things get fucking terrifying fast.
I am reminded of Order of the Stick, where Tarquin discusses what all evil empires have in common: That they exist, have existed for a long time and are incredibly powerful UNTIL the hero comes in and ruins everything. As he later says, paraphrased, yeah the last ten minutes sucked but he got to have fun AND got to live in the lap of luxury and enjoyment until his defeat.
Cartoons are hero propaganda.
Or the hero's death wasn't the intention. The intention could be simply to mess with the victim, to bring them to the brink of death over and over again until they're too messed up psychologically to be a threat.
It could also be for bragging rights in the villain community. Yeah, the villain could have simply put a bullet in Batman's brain in the 1960s show, but where's the show in that? Where's the "honor"? That's what a common crook would do. A real villain would make a show out of it. The point isn't to kill the hero, but to show off to other villains, to get their respect and make a few of them envious of your vision and resources.
I think you somehow made me love Team Cobra even more :3
Very well said. I never really took the time to think about it from this perspective, but now I can put that to any villainous organization as well. Down right terrifying really.
..... Brilliant.
Twisted, intimidating, and a true master of his craft.
We should never forget the old school acts of heroics and villainy. Especially if we want to create comic book heroes and villains.
Gotta admire a villain who takes the time and effort to do a deep-dive into the nuances of villainy. How to set up a satisfying kill, why it's so effective, the intangible effects it all has on the condemned party, and even the silver lining (to the villain) should the hero find a way to escape.
Not everyone puts so much love into the betterment of their own craft.
English teacher turns to villainy
That is how you properly monologue. Short, sweet, and to the point, when you hold ALL of the cards, then get out fast.
I guess what makes the victim's death so sweet is their expression of terror and dread when they're tied to the tracks and see a train coming at them. When they find or are told that there's a chance of escaping, their expression turns to a hopeful one, a glimpse of a smile on their faces. They nudge and struggle for a bit, feeling the ropes loose and loose. Finally! They could escape and survive this. All they had to do is keep doing this then they're free. Then the sound of the train's honk gets their attention and they realize the train is close. The expression of hope, turns into fear, terror, dread, and despair as they struggle, scream, and cry, trying to call out to anyone for help but no one answers. So all they can do is close their eyes, or scream their last.
Nightmarish and horrifying experience to be ever put in. And I can see why most "Gentlemen" Villains, or Classy types love that trope despite it being overdone. The tension, the peril, the panic, then the expressions on their faces. Villains love seeing their victims expressions of fear, terror, and etc because it's both sweet and delicious. Huh...
Meanwhile he’s thinking “who was that speech actually for?”
Uhm....please, it's always the same mistake that almost all villains do when they tries to destroy their enemies, please! They HAVE to STAY in front of them and watching die to see they are completing their mission which is destroying them. If you don't do that, they run away from you, the villain one! XD
What's funny is that Red Death actually gets things done. He actually ends up getting people killed according to plan instead of either by accident or sheer idiocy unlike other villains on The Venture Bros.
Even when killing is not apart of the plan, remember when they infiltrated Dummy Corp and Dr. Mrs. The Monarch asked him how long they had until the OSI agents work back up?
a lot of poorly done villains will just talk shit, present some ideology that the heroes oppose and prove wrong, and get nothing done. 99% of the time, villains tend to be complete and total jobbers. a hurdle for the hero to overcome.
and i dont think hurdles are very menacing.
and its something to be stated about the "new school" villains, who try to be complex and present an ideology, it doesnt create the same level of ABSOLUTE MENACE that an old school villain does.
The Monarch is good, but isn't dedicated to killing. He just wants to annoy Dr Venture. If he actually kill is arch, he would be left aimless, with no goal . End up losing his wife, and even Gary, and do drugs, because he has accomplished his life goal.
This is why Batman works as a hero and Superman doesn't. Batman doesn't always swing in and save the day, sometimes the villians win and leave corpses in thier wake.
@@mikevignola4213 That's again missing the whole point of why classic heroes and villains worked. The classic heroes were there to inspire hope and the idea of goodness, to make things right in dark times. That was the whole point of Superman. The heroes that aren't "goody two shoes" or are "realistic" seem just as pathetic as these "complex villains with a point". Both seem merely as an edgy teenager's wet dream.
You know this is a legitimate villain because when red death told him to stop talking, he STOPPED.
Blind Rage Forgot a big rule in anime. Don't mess with old people, there is a reason they got to be that old
Red death is simply amazing. A good husband and father at home while a terrifying and brutal supervillain. Clancy brown is the perfect voice for such a amazing villain. I like his skull face and his grim reaper motif with that robe and scythe
Finally, a villain with class.
Agreed
I prefer the gentlemen villain
@@AndreNitroX
Is that not class incarnate?
@@Bl1tzkn1ght good point
If you don’t do it with class and style then what’s the god dam point
I love that blind rage is just daredevil if he was an asshole.
Turns out Daredevil would be dead. By train track. ouo
Name of the show
@@nassernathanThe Venture Bros.
"sometimes, a move goes on clishe meter so much, it pierces the highest possible cliche amount and goes back to being original."
Almost unbelievable that Red Death and Mr. Krabs from Spongebob are voiced by the same guy.
Damn
"Trying to eat healthy instead of gorging yourself on Krabby Patties? Let's see how many salads you can eat when your blood's all over the tracks."
He's also Lex Luthor from the animated Superman and Justice League series
Don’t forget Hank from Detroit: Become Human.
And Surtur from MCU
That’s real villainy. Sure the new stuff is much more efficient but it lacks soul and style, trapping someone in a room with a toxin bomb might be super effective and efficient but it lacks the style and character of tying them up with some good old fashioned rope and leaving them with 3 sticks of dynamite and an alarm clock attached to the bundle as it ticks
I guess this would only work in movies where super-heroes don't exist
Because if a super hero does exist you can't do this normal stuff, they would either instantly break the rope/chain or they would survive the train/dynamite.
@@bbittercoffee assuming your not using the normal.stuff to lure in the hero FOR the BIG STUFF
hehehehe they bust in hearing the ticking Bomb and set off the mines hahahaha
@@bbittercoffee not necessarily; sure, some heroes have powers that'll get them out, but a lot don't. aside from that, not everyone is a superhero, and tying a hostage to a train track is just as poetic.
@@aldar8240 Idk about you, I'm not into comic book stuff and don't really know many other heroes aside from the DC and MCU ones, but like, all of them have some sort of way to break free from basically any simple trap, some have a background in freeing themselves from tricky situations (black widow), others have super technology at their disposal(tony stark, falcon), and others just have super strength/a way of changing their bodies enough to get out of these situations (spider-man, ant-man, hulk), if they don't have any of these, then they are just super smart and just make shit up on the spot while remaining calm (which is what kills you in these traps)
And tying a normal person is what I meant, a normal person is the only way this trap doesn't become meaningless.
Now, if you wish to enlighten me on these super-heroes that are too weak/too-dumb (no better way to put it, really) to not be able to break free, then I'm all ears.
@@bbittercoffee admittedly, there are a *lot* of heroes who have the central power of "strong", but there are plenty of cases where a character can't get out, usually to do with weaknesses.
For instance, Iron Man or Falcon could easily be train-tracked to death IF you can separate them from their tech. Along the same lines, a lot of heroes just don't have escape artist powers, like telepaths without mind control, precognitives, and power copiers.
These powers aren't weak or useless, but if the villain puts a bit of work in to get around their powerset they can be beaten all the same.
The few seconds before this part are just awesome too. Blind Rage still talking shit to Red Death thinking he can't do anything about it and Red Death just floors him with one punch.
Tbf Red Death's wearing armour, no? He punched him with a metal gauntlet.
Red Death made me realize that the "tied to train tracks" trope is actually terrifying once you think about it
Me, trying to remember when Batman: The Brave and the Bold was this brutal:
Right lol 😆
That one time in which the Joker gained omnipotence and he used it to murder Batman over and over again
The end of b'wannabeast :(
Maybe when Spectre was goading Batman into killing Joe Chill probably to make him go down the path of becoming a Punisher-like vigilante (or given that is DC someone like Adrian Chase who goes by the very unsubtle name of Vigilante); this is more brutal though.
This is from the venture bros...not batman...
Doubt it's a coincidence that the music in this scene sounds straight out of Jaws, another classic ticking clock.
Good comment.
The train in the distance is a form of ticking too.
Ain't no school but the old school.
Devin Smith damn straight.
“But… it gives you a little hope… Maybe you’ll escape.”
I love that line so much fsr
If you listen closely to him talking he has a lisp from not having lips that's attention to detail I would never expect in a show like this.
Good shit I don’t notice that
its nice to see the venture brothers writers not yet again stroking themselves off making of fun "cliche's" and for once embrace the reason why it became formulaic, because do it right, and it gives you chills just as much as any work of Shakespeare.
Exactly! Certain things become Tropes not because many use them, they become Tropes because THEY WORK (if used properly), that is why many people keep using those Tropes.
@@tremor230 what's the name of the show ?
@@ceoofbased6850 venture bros
I see your point and agree, but I’ve definitely _never_ gotten chills from anything Shakespeare. Though perhaps I haven’t seen it in the right context or delivered by the right team. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@ViperliciousOG To each their own, Shakespeare was just an example, the main point was anything that has drama and delivered with a sense of passion, that can be anything from the works of Plato, to even Hollywood types like Zack Snyder, its about working what has always worked because its good and you have some degree of talent to tap into what still makes it good instead of like I quoted before, spending way to much time taking the piss out of cliché's which the Venture Bro's writers did way to much
I think why Blind Rage tried so desperately to escape was he knew the train was on his track, he knew where Dr Girlfriend was and how much wine was in her glass. Blind Rage knew he was done for and he could only pray it would be quick and painless end for him.
Possibly. Blind Rage would also have a chance of faking helplessness, and twisting his body sideways to lie under the train as it passes at the last moment too.
But after that level of humiliation by The Red Death? He might be so broken that he retires from hero-ing and is never seen again.
@ true, imagine giving an “old geezer” like Red Death so much crap only to be beat down with one hit then having him tie you to a train track like an old timey damsel in distress, your coworkers will NEVER let you live it down
This makes the cliche so much cooler than just tying a screaming lady to the tracks and then the buff superhero rushes in last second
"And if you don't...Sorry."
Peak gentleman villainy right there.
"Professionals have STANDARDS"
"Be polite"
Also his message gets sent regardless if he gets free the guy can tell the message if not his corpse will do the same
kinda ruined it... cause it was bad... if he just said the lines without that.... would have been more impactfull. But noo lets ruin it.
"Be efficient"
I never really thought of it like that. It’s the rhythmic pattern of oncoming unstoppable terror that brings dread.
Like in the movie Jaws, you never really see the shark much but when the music starts the tension starts.
Its what makes old zombies march scarier than new shamblers. Rhythm. Like the mj music video for thriller.
I'm not even lying man more villains need to be like this because they've gotten so stale in recent media
What is this show call
@@king-ii5ws The Venture Bros.
@@TheDittoMan thanks
I think that's inherently the problem now, and why more super movies have started re-embracing their "silly" side. We've had so many deconstructions and curveballs, that the best curve is a straight line. Embracing why these things were tropes to be deconstructed in the first place.
And then everyone will start doing the classic villain and it'll become stale again, leading people to start deconstructing again to make it fresh once more, which'll then be done to death once more.
The best part that really sells this as well as many scenes like it is the initial boredom. They’re comparing the current state of things while lamenting what was lost, it feels like they’re trying to relive the moment but won’t get their hopes up.
But then something shows up that lets them know what they lament is still alive and suddenly they’re jubilant.
That momentary salvation from boredom lets people know they truly enjoy what they do. And it’s what always sells a villain and their motivation.
*Venture Brothers* (Season 7, Episode 08 : _The Terminus Mandate_ )
Red Death (Clancy Brown) takes Blind Fury (Brendon Small) down a peg for dissing him.
Thank you
Brendon Small? The Brendon Small?
It's not just dissing him but also being immensely disrespectful to Dr. Mrs. The Monarch.
You are a hero
Thank you!!! I knew I have seen it somewhere
While the Monarch succeeds as a villain with his true honest despising of Doc, The Red Death, however, succeeds at loving to be a villain. Red doesn't arch for the hate of the enemy, he kills for the fun of the game.
I literally half expected Superman to interrupt the conversation by simply floating behind with his arms crossed with an angry face
Fun fact: The "Bad man ties somebody innocent to the railroad tracks" trope actually predates the medium of film itself. The trope was actually started in theater. In fact, "A race for a life," (one earliest film versions of that scene) was meant to parody it being such a common plot device in theater.
This scene is so well done, even just the audio by itself conveys everything you need to know about what's going on like a radio drama
fitting for an old school villain
This guy is a top notch villain and a loving husband with amazing amazing home life. He’s got it all figured out.
I feel like the “sorry” part is what really sells how casually evil he is.
This is just a day at work.
For such a simple speech, this villain monologue ranks far and above 90% of the usual drivel villains spew in more recent shows and films. Like I don't know how to explain it but just the sheer MENACE this guy gives off in this scene is amazing.
"Not bad for an Old Man huh?"
Well I for one think that for a 70 year old - Red Death has one hell of a left hook on him....
I swear I don't understand why anyone would fuck with a guy who: 1. calls himself Red Death. 2. Looks (and sounds) like he could melt steel by glaring at it, and 3. Whose motivation for being a villain, aside from providing a stable life for his family apparently; is simply how much he enjoys killing!
Blind Rage brought this on himself. Seriously dude; know your target! Red Death pulls off the villain monologue without it being goofy in a satire designed to deconstruct all the tropes behind the hero/villain world! Its a short list of people who can pull that off!
He also has no skin which is a bit intimidating if you ask me
Likely why he's evil tbh, brother just couldn't get some
@@itarH Yes he is blind; but he's basically Daredevil. As a result he can tell exactly how huge Red Death is. Even if he couldn't; look up Red Death's encounter with The Monarch, Red Death is a legend in the evil industry. You only mess with someone like him if you're certain you can kill him before he kills you, and Blind Rage had no chance of that. Any smart upstart would realize that. Even The Monarch wouldn't do so once he realized how dangerous Red Death was just after talking with him for a few minutes.
@@DragonmanX90 Daredevil vs Red Skull... Lol
@@DragonmanX90 I wonder who the analogue to the butterfly would be... Thanos? 😉
Gotta love Clancy Brown's performance. He brings just the right amount of levity and menace with this dialogue.
Gotta admit, that's a pretty good lesson in cliché villainy.
Classic Xanatos Gambit, where both outcomes are a victory for the same party. If he dies, Red Death gets the thrill of killing someone in a classy way and has one less headache to worry about. If he survives, Red Death's message reaches the Peril Partnership, likely making them more hesitant in getting in the Guild's way again. Either way, Red Death wins.
Red Death's message is delivered no matter what, actually.
Blind Rage survives? Cool, he can relay the message personally.
Blind Rage dies? They know who killed him. And they know why.
Extra points for using the gargoyles reference
@@siniquezu It's the name of a trope.
Then again, it got said name from Gargoyles, so I suppose that still sticks.
Underrated: the lighting highlights as the train approaches.
"Oh you're a villain alright, but you're no supervillain"
"Oh yeah! What's the difference?!"
"Presentation!"
Megamind vs Titan
Apparently it's “Tighten”. I mean, Megamind probably meant “Titan” when he gave him the name, but Tighten eye-lasered “Tighten” into the cityscape. I say the superhero/villain is the one whose version of their name is authoritative. Plus, c'mon, it's awesome and hilarious.
@@atimholt that’s legit everything that was in mind. Megamind meant Titan, but Eugene was a dumbass and thought he meant “tight”.
I think he even spelled it like that when carving up the city.
@@RogueT-Rex8468 It's the details that count. Megamind was a great film
@@RogueT-Rex8468 watching Megamind with subtitles really spoils one of the best jokes in the movie because they call him "Tighten" throughout
@@ViktorTheMusician awww that sucks
I identify with the archetype of the "gentleman villain".
You're telling me THIS is what Neo Cortex used to sound like!? Damn.
For a single game, yes. Crash 2 was the only game Clancy's Cortex actually sounded menacing. Every performance afterwards, he sounds either tired or disinterested.
@@AgentHooligan Interestingly, in the About Time game, he's actually tired. He's come to the realization that he's always going to lose to Crash. At the very beginning of the game, he's outright given up on trying to escape the end of time, because he doesn't see the point. He turns around somewhat in order to try and prevent Crash from being created in the first place via time travel, but he's actually an ally for a big portion of the game because he's decided to side with Crash against N. Tropy after a minor breakdown when he loses again.
Yup, and some thought he was too scary. So they made him a tired, disinterested buffoon instead. Not to take away from Lex Lang, if you want cartoony evil, his voice and delivery are perfect.
Red naked skeleton dude talks about how classy it is to tie someone to train tracks or how he misses the good old times when dynamite bombs ticked...
*Why the hell is it so terrifying?!*
I think he's wearing red armour isn't he?
@@DGneoseeker1 Yes he is. Its just designed to look like human muscles. We haven't ever actually seen him without a shirt on so we don't know if he lacks skin on his entire body, or if its just discolored to look like muscles, or what.
@@barbatosmcmurderton4209, well, I mean his daughter's arms and legs are both red as well, so I'd say it's reasonable to assume that his whole body looks the same as his head
@@thekornwulf Huh, good point.
Because suspense is where real drama happens. Someone who is completely composed amidst that drama is terrifying. Someone who is not only composed but devious and relishing it is downright chilling.
Anyone can create a hero, only the great can truly make a terrifying villain
0:20 The moment he senses the oncoming train, via sounds and vibrations.
I really like this new take on an old villain who’s aware that it’s the old school way
The thing I love about this scene is how at 1:05 you can see the lights from between the tracks illuminating one by one as the train advances, like seconds on a clock. Such a powerful, subtle image.
"If you escape [...] If you don't... Sorry."
What a nice fellow he is.
Lex really changed directions and looks in his ways villainy. Must've gotten sick of superman coming out on top.
1. Red Death is amazing. 2. Imagine the hero badass enough to be arch enemies with this dude?
I was under the impression RD hasn't had a regular enemy in years since they mentioned he only Archs one night a year.
I think his last real big arch was Professor Cadmium.
RD got to the point he hated him so much it was starting to effect his marriage, so he killed Cadmium and became more devoted to his family.
shame Red Death killed him, laving with an insatiable desire for murder
Even though it's highly unlikely that Blind Rage escaped; I like that they still kind of leave the suspense by showing the train going past but not confirming whether or not he was hit.
And chances are, if he did survive; he's not going to fuck with Red Death or the rest of the guild of calamitous intent ever again, he's just going to put down the costume, drift off into obscurity and finish law school.
The only way we will find out if he survived is if they think of a story line for him in the movie. If not, assume he's dead.
The only thing greater than this moment was the fact that he threw away his "final arch," to do it, lol
Now, bare in mind, The Guild knows everything about it's own people. Every new guild council member was given one last joy ride as a villain, tailored to there specific history (one last shot arching a hero they arched their whole career, or just something tailored specifically for them to enjoy). Red Death *didn't even open it,* because _this_ was what he wanted to do the most, lol
ive never watched this show but this scene has been giving me chills for years. it's like Handsome Jack and Joker Merged
He looks like red skull
i believe he was based off of that and lind rage is obviously daredevil