I don't know if you're aware of this, but Fringer TOLD me, when I asked through their website, that their adapter does NOT translate autofocus speed at all. No matter how you tweak the settings. Does this make sense in your experience, even in this new firmware? I see so many videos testing different speed settings with the fringer, so I figured either people need to learn this or Fringer/Fuji has some kind of magic that it does work with some lenses. Either way, this inconsistency is sadly enough to scare me from combining these systems.
The set AF Speed definitely does not translate in your examples. I tested the new firmware and played with the custom AF settings and when I set the AF Speed to -5 it‘s really slow/soft (in my opinion already to slow 😅). Also important to note that the custom AF settings also only work when you hit the record button! So a new video without fringed adapter would be great - otherwise a lot of people will think the autofocus is bad and unusable for video.
If you use a small af area and move it to the general direction of the object or person you want in focus, then keep the back button pushed in and it’ll track until you let go, then move to something else, seems to work ok for me, but then I’m not using a fringer.
this can actually be simplified even further if you switch the af lock button to toggle instead of hold. I do something similar though and it has yet to fail me.
I’m using the xt4 with the native 16-55 f2.8 and the focus pulls in af are way smoother. Thought of upgrading but this kinda holds me back :/ I came from Canon RP which was half the price when I switched and I was so disappointed about the xt4 not having continuous af tracking in video. It’s crazy the xh2s and xt5 are still missing it
Gotta get the firmware updated this weekend but I’m curious if you’ve tested this with other lenses? I used to shoot the fringer adapter on my xt3 and it was way way way worse than using the lens natively on canon or using the xf lenses.
@@itsaaronmiller All the feedback I've seen with past firmware says native lenses perform better than fringer adapted EF lenses including the 18-35 Art lens. They also say that the newer Fuji Linear motor lenses perform the best out of the Fuji lens lineup. The only non Fuji lens I've seen get great feedback is the Viltrox 13mm and that is a STM, so I guess Viltrox made magic happen there. Evan Schneider did a test with Fuji XF 16-55 2.8, Fuji 23mm 1.4, and then the Fringer Pro II adapter with Sigma Art 18-35 1.8, Sigma Art 24-70 2.8 and said the native lenses performed better and that he'd trust the native setup.
Yeah this is a bit of a bummer on tighter focal lengths tho when you have a run and gun situation since there is no easy way to move between left and right eye. You rarely would want it to focus on the eye farthest from the camera
@@itsaaronmiller In my experience, it will jump to the next eye if it can’t find the eye selected in the settings, but only if it can’t find the selected eye. But yes. I agree. It’s not perfect. Just a current work around I’ve had some success with.
I have a much better experience with my native Fujifilm LM glass lenses. I've been tempted to go after the Sigma with the fringer adapter, but this looks significantly worse in performance. It doesn't look like something I can trust. Thanks for the video.
I think you put it well a few times... This level of AF is important for self-filming when pulling focus manually isn't an option. Or the ol' run n' gun film making style that has become popular, but even that is manageable with manual lenses. The term "robotic" accurate describes the problem. Fuji's recipe lacks finesse. It's not an accuracy issue. If you're doing simple, present-to-camera work, talking head or like unboxing, you'll be fine with previous model, less expensive cameras. But at $2500, Fuji is starting to take the Panasonic plunge, whereby it's a fantastic camera with so much more to offer than AF, but it will become indicted by the masses for not having competent subject tracking at this price point. I really hoped they'd have it nailed with this generation of camera. I think they're generally close, and conditionally exceptional.
I'm actually surprised the Fringer works as well as it does. I'd recommend renting Fuji's 50-140mm f2.8 for ideal testing of video autofocus with the new firmware and Fuji's 18mm f1.4 or 16mm f1.4 for stills.
Yeah it’s solid for adapted. And believe it or not, it was the best option for fast lenses until the new MKII versions came out just a year or so ago. That’s why I stuck with it. Unfortunately the zooms that Fuji has are just too slow for my work.
I do, yes, but prefer it on older lenses that were all manual, or cinema lenses. The sigma art line is nice to pull focus on though! Fuji’s lenses are all very inconsistent with manual focus from my experience
Yes, sadly to see that FUJI is now (also after the Update) last Place now. (because of the brilliant AF from S5II). I will hav eto wait to the next Gen. Fujis after the X-T5.. maybe they catch up then..
Video AF makes sense for self filming and wildlife videos… maybe wildlife. But otherwise I don’t want a computer to decide where the focal point is for me. AF does not know how to tell a story. Edit: with that said. AF smoothness is dependent on your lens choice in the Fuji system. Their LM lenses pull focus smoothly. Like the 16-55, 50-140, 18-55, 33mm, 18mm, etc
Hmm.. the AF box still seem to lag behind a bit when you move around. Search "PC39AkYSZCY" on youtube. This video seems to be more sticky esp with the breakdancer spinning around. Is there some settings difference they did than yours?
@@itsaaronmiller With my sony it does matter a lot. Using slow 3rd party lenses AF box isn't as snappy than if I used native sony GM lenses. Assuming to some degree it does too with Fuji.
@@itsaaronmiller I would assume so. Like Battlem0nk when I've used 3rd party lenses on Sony cameras ( FX3, and A1 ) the AF was never as good as with the GM Sony lenses. Maybe the nearest exception would have been the latest Tamron's but to me the GM lenses were the best and this is without a 3rd party smart adapter.
I was really in love with the XH2s, 6k Open Gate, new autofocus and everything but after the S5II was announced, the only advantage of Fuji over Lumix is the rolling shutter. I love their color science but i don't see myself investing on another fuji cam in the future. Can't bare to pay 300-500$ more to receive less.
@@smartideas-pedro1690 you cannot overlook the advantages of a stacked sensor. The cheapest stacked sensor full frame camera is $5.5k for a reason. It’s not cheap technology. The X-H2S is a superior camera to both the S5 II and S5 IIx. Rolling shutter performance isn’t a minor feature. It also cannot touch the X-H2S’ higher bitrate internal recording formats.
@@ghas4151 Totally agree with the benefits of a stacked sensor. Fuji rolling shutter is the closest thing to a Komodo global. But I won't be panning around for my shoots so, there are more important things to consider. For instance, external ssd recording. My take is that internal recording is overrated. I'd rather have ssd external recording instead, its cheaper and efficient, just plug and edit. On paper, the XH2s is superior to the S5II but IRL, i think you have a better deal with Lumix. You could use a real-time lut to get False color, Shutter Angle, Waveforms, anamorphic deesqueze... Just think about it, the S1H is Netflix approved and the S5 is carrying the same sensor minus OLPF, guess the S5II is a bit better now. If it's good enough for Netflix use, its more than enough for me.
@@smartideas-pedro1690 I think Ghas is just repeating what the fuji marketing team told him sadly...even the s5ii or s5 had way superior colors and better useable dynamic range than these new fuji. Also fuji now with its trash ibis and af (it looks to me that its worst than the xt-4 in video) and not working well = falling really behind at the same price of an FF body. Panasonic primes are cheaper than fuji too...also noise level is really bad on fuji and the over processing of the footage??? oversharpening like my grandma's 200$ phone haha. Bitrate is not everything, another thing fuji is pushing, forcing you to buy expensive cards/// I think the hyspter ride of fuji color profile which is just an instagram filter simulation is coming to an end..particularly with panasonic giving you the ability to upload any lut to use as add ons on any base profile they already have in camera :)
i saw a used xh2s about 2 months ago or so, at around $1050. if it had good af and it wasnt dependent on specific lenses as i understand it is, and if it had touch tracking in video, i might have considered buying it, but it didnt, so i skipped it.
That is a killer deal . It may not be the smoothest at transitioning between subject or smooth focus pulls but, it is pretty sticky to the eye of the subject. It's not perfect but, it has the ingredients to be an amazing camera.
@@nathanisings I saw a guy had one listed for 1050.00 on FM, seemed like a highjacked account, sketchy behavior on a few listings. Long story short, the guy was for sure a scammer. No one in their right mind is selling a X-H2s for anything less than 1900.00. I saw a guy sell two yesterday on FM for 2100.00 each
@@j_cooks oh for sure... I'm in Canada so I'm not sure the US prices but we're selling them new for about 3.2k CAD... So even 1050 US sounded like a crazy deal haha
Can you make a video tutorial on teaching your dog "place"
I agree with you... Fuji is behind in the times. They still haven't added the ability to tap on a subject so you can track it/them.
It's a bummer because Panasonic likely passed them up in the AF department now
@@itsaaronmiller totally agree, I don't see myself investing on more fuji body's (got 1 xt3) Sony a7RV and the new Panasonic are killin' it
I don't know if you're aware of this, but Fringer TOLD me, when I asked through their website, that their adapter does NOT translate autofocus speed at all. No matter how you tweak the settings. Does this make sense in your experience, even in this new firmware?
I see so many videos testing different speed settings with the fringer, so I figured either people need to learn this or Fringer/Fuji has some kind of magic that it does work with some lenses. Either way, this inconsistency is sadly enough to scare me from combining these systems.
I wasn’t aware of this but I haven’t totally noticed it doesn’t make much of a difference. That explains a lot. Thanks for sharing that!
The set AF Speed definitely does not translate in your examples. I tested the new firmware and played with the custom AF settings and when I set the AF Speed to -5 it‘s really slow/soft (in my opinion already to slow 😅).
Also important to note that the custom AF settings also only work when you hit the record button!
So a new video without fringed adapter would be great - otherwise a lot of people will think the autofocus is bad and unusable for video.
If you use a small af area and move it to the general direction of the object or person you want in focus, then keep the back button pushed in and it’ll track until you let go, then move to something else, seems to work ok for me, but then I’m not using a fringer.
this can actually be simplified even further if you switch the af lock button to toggle instead of hold. I do something similar though and it has yet to fail me.
I’m using the xt4 with the native 16-55 f2.8 and the focus pulls in af are way smoother. Thought of upgrading but this kinda holds me back :/
I came from Canon RP which was half the price when I switched and I was so disappointed about the xt4 not having continuous af tracking in video. It’s crazy the xh2s and xt5 are still missing it
Gotta get the firmware updated this weekend but I’m curious if you’ve tested this with other lenses? I used to shoot the fringer adapter on my xt3 and it was way way way worse than using the lens natively on canon or using the xf lenses.
I sold all of my Fuji lenses a couple years ago because my canon glass with fringer performed much better
@@itsaaronmiller All the feedback I've seen with past firmware says native lenses perform better than fringer adapted EF lenses including the 18-35 Art lens. They also say that the newer Fuji Linear motor lenses perform the best out of the Fuji lens lineup. The only non Fuji lens I've seen get great feedback is the Viltrox 13mm and that is a STM, so I guess Viltrox made magic happen there. Evan Schneider did a test with Fuji XF 16-55 2.8, Fuji 23mm 1.4, and then the Fringer Pro II adapter with Sigma Art 18-35 1.8, Sigma Art 24-70 2.8 and said the native lenses performed better and that he'd trust the native setup.
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With the eye focus, chose an eye in the settings (left or right) instead of auto and it really improves the accuracy even more.
Yeah this is a bit of a bummer on tighter focal lengths tho when you have a run and gun situation since there is no easy way to move between left and right eye. You rarely would want it to focus on the eye farthest from the camera
@@itsaaronmiller In my experience, it will jump to the next eye if it can’t find the eye selected in the settings, but only if it can’t find the selected eye.
But yes. I agree. It’s not perfect. Just a current work around I’ve had some success with.
The new update really improves the AF
Which lens you suggest for better AF experience? (Zoom and prime)
I have a much better experience with my native Fujifilm LM glass lenses. I've been tempted to go after the Sigma with the fringer adapter, but this looks significantly worse in performance. It doesn't look like something I can trust. Thanks for the video.
I think you put it well a few times... This level of AF is important for self-filming when pulling focus manually isn't an option. Or the ol' run n' gun film making style that has become popular, but even that is manageable with manual lenses.
The term "robotic" accurate describes the problem. Fuji's recipe lacks finesse. It's not an accuracy issue. If you're doing simple, present-to-camera work, talking head or like unboxing, you'll be fine with previous model, less expensive cameras. But at $2500, Fuji is starting to take the Panasonic plunge, whereby it's a fantastic camera with so much more to offer than AF, but it will become indicted by the masses for not having competent subject tracking at this price point. I really hoped they'd have it nailed with this generation of camera. I think they're generally close, and conditionally exceptional.
I'm actually surprised the Fringer works as well as it does. I'd recommend renting Fuji's 50-140mm f2.8 for ideal testing of video autofocus with the new firmware and Fuji's 18mm f1.4 or 16mm f1.4 for stills.
Yeah it’s solid for adapted. And believe it or not, it was the best option for fast lenses until the new MKII versions came out just a year or so ago. That’s why I stuck with it. Unfortunately the zooms that Fuji has are just too slow for my work.
thanks for the video! do you pull focus on ALL lenses, or do I need a cinema lens?
I do, yes, but prefer it on older lenses that were all manual, or cinema lenses. The sigma art line is nice to pull focus on though! Fuji’s lenses are all very inconsistent with manual focus from my experience
Yes, sadly to see that FUJI is now (also after the Update) last Place now. (because of the brilliant AF from S5II). I will hav eto wait to the next Gen. Fujis after the X-T5.. maybe they catch up then..
They really need to update tracking. It would be pretty solid if they had that ability and more custom controls
Video AF makes sense for self filming and wildlife videos… maybe wildlife. But otherwise I don’t want a computer to decide where the focal point is for me. AF does not know how to tell a story.
Edit: with that said. AF smoothness is dependent on your lens choice in the Fuji system. Their LM lenses pull focus smoothly. Like the 16-55, 50-140, 18-55, 33mm, 18mm, etc
Now that's a good doggie!
Haha he’s a good boy!
Why haven’t they updated the x-t5 since it’s the same software as the xh2?
Great question!
Hmm.. the AF box still seem to lag behind a bit when you move around.
Search "PC39AkYSZCY" on youtube. This video seems to be more sticky esp with the breakdancer spinning around. Is there some settings difference they did than yours?
Yes for sure, Jason Halayko was using native glass during the shoot with BBoy Jun.
Would native glass make a difference with how the box interacts with the subject?
@@itsaaronmiller With my sony it does matter a lot. Using slow 3rd party lenses AF box isn't as snappy than if I used native sony GM lenses.
Assuming to some degree it does too with Fuji.
@@itsaaronmiller I would assume so. Like Battlem0nk when I've used 3rd party lenses on Sony cameras ( FX3, and A1 ) the AF was never as good as with the GM Sony lenses. Maybe the nearest exception would have been the latest Tamron's but to me the GM lenses were the best and this is without a 3rd party smart adapter.
@@j_cooks I just figured software side, nothing would have changed. But I plan to rent a couple of the new X mount lenses so I’ll test them out!
what kind/race is your dog? 🤓
Good question! Adopted him at like 9 months and we didn't know the original owners. He's just a big, happy mutt!
I was really in love with the XH2s, 6k Open Gate, new autofocus and everything but after the S5II was announced, the only advantage of Fuji over Lumix is the rolling shutter. I love their color science but i don't see myself investing on another fuji cam in the future. Can't bare to pay 300-500$ more to receive less.
The S5 II is an inferior camera.
@@ghas4151 I meant the S5IIX. But even the S5II, they're on pair.
@@smartideas-pedro1690 you cannot overlook the advantages of a stacked sensor. The cheapest stacked sensor full frame camera is $5.5k for a reason. It’s not cheap technology.
The X-H2S is a superior camera to both the S5 II and S5 IIx. Rolling shutter performance isn’t a minor feature. It also cannot touch the X-H2S’ higher bitrate internal recording formats.
@@ghas4151 Totally agree with the benefits of a stacked sensor. Fuji rolling shutter is the closest thing to a Komodo global.
But I won't be panning around for my shoots so, there are more important things to consider.
For instance, external ssd recording. My take is that internal recording is overrated. I'd rather have ssd external recording instead, its cheaper and efficient, just plug and edit.
On paper, the XH2s is superior to the S5II but IRL, i think you have a better deal with Lumix.
You could use a real-time lut to get False color, Shutter Angle, Waveforms, anamorphic deesqueze...
Just think about it, the S1H is Netflix approved and the S5 is carrying the same sensor minus OLPF, guess the S5II is a bit better now.
If it's good enough for Netflix use, its more than enough for me.
@@smartideas-pedro1690 I think Ghas is just repeating what the fuji marketing team told him sadly...even the s5ii or s5 had way superior colors and better useable dynamic range than these new fuji. Also fuji now with its trash ibis and af (it looks to me that its worst than the xt-4 in video) and not working well = falling really behind at the same price of an FF body. Panasonic primes are cheaper than fuji too...also noise level is really bad on fuji and the over processing of the footage??? oversharpening like my grandma's 200$ phone haha. Bitrate is not everything, another thing fuji is pushing, forcing you to buy expensive cards/// I think the hyspter ride of fuji color profile which is just an instagram filter simulation is coming to an end..particularly with panasonic giving you the ability to upload any lut to use as add ons on any base profile they already have in camera :)
Really..? Testing autofocus with adapted Canon lenses?
Yep
i saw a used xh2s about 2 months ago or so, at around $1050. if it had good af and it wasnt dependent on specific lenses as i understand it is, and if it had touch tracking in video, i might have considered buying it, but it didnt, so i skipped it.
That is a killer deal . It may not be the smoothest at transitioning between subject or smooth focus pulls but, it is pretty sticky to the eye of the subject. It's not perfect but, it has the ingredients to be an amazing camera.
This is currently the best hybrid camera in its price range, and you passed it up at $1050?? Dang.
1050 for a used... That sounds TOO good not to have something wrong with it or be a scam. I'd just beware.
@@nathanisings I saw a guy had one listed for 1050.00 on FM, seemed like a highjacked account, sketchy behavior on a few listings. Long story short, the guy was for sure a scammer. No one in their right mind is selling a X-H2s for anything less than 1900.00. I saw a guy sell two yesterday on FM for 2100.00 each
@@j_cooks oh for sure... I'm in Canada so I'm not sure the US prices but we're selling them new for about 3.2k CAD... So even 1050 US sounded like a crazy deal haha
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