For sure, and the haters are doubling down calling it luck 🤯. When teams are selected they are done to improvise for as many scenarios to happen when they select the highest scoring team, but they cannot ever pick a perfect team because they don't get an NBA franchise size roster to send to the Olympics.
@@creating1_c1999 in this case it is less about the size of the team and more that they needed to have the highest scoring team to have a chance at winning bronze. They all did what they were expected to do
So basically, the French gymnasts were freaked out BECAUSE their organisation FAILED to undertake the appropriate medical assessment for an injured gymnast. That's horrifying
It certainly is, which is why we need to have the alternates warming up alongside the competing team in the event that something like this happens. The team still would have been a bit shaken by seeing one of their teammates taking such a bad fall, but at least they wouldn't be worrying about her through the whole competition and be able to concentrate. The rule about how traveling alternates can be utilized makes very little sense.
I'm proud of Hezley. She really held herself steady and stoic even through that knee drop on the beam! She stayed on the 4 inch wide structure in her first olympics. People with more experience have fallen off on that same day and so many in the past too. I'm team Hezley! ❤🎉
Anyone can have a bad event or even a bad day. She rebounded. There's a lot of energy to absorb. I don't see her having a successful future if she remains with Valeri. He is going to break her.
Did you notice that he didnt hug or acknowledge her after the beam? He passed her like a full bus. It was Cecile who comforted her after. I agree with you. He will break that poor kid @@creating1_c1999
The rules about using alternates is so important- thank you both for covering this. I hope there is some clout from the two of you, perhaps maybe with Christine Brennan as well, and from the Gymnastics community at large to push for health, safety, and joy of sport by examining the reasons for the current rules and how they can be changed. The story of what happened to the team from France is heartbreaking, but they cannot possibly be alone in such an experience. Change must happen as soon as possible.
Does anyone feel old like me when Oleg Varnaiev was a baby at the 2012 American Cup and said he was the future of Ukrainian men’s gymnastics? Amazing how he is still competing for his country.
So they actually got posters in those boxes! They also get a limited edition stuffed mascot with their medal and shoes that are the color of their medal with Bravo engraved on the back
I am so happy for the men's team u.S.A. Congratulations to China and Japan, but go u.S a! About the women's French team I totally agree with jessica. That girl Never should have been allowed to compete with a possible concaution , which was more than likely. I don't think they're keeping their athletes , safety or Health as a primary goal which It absolutely should be. I also agree about the alternate situation in regards to both france and the us. Jade was sick.She knew she was sick And they could have easily put the alternate in.
Wait so for womens team final since they didnt put hezley in the line up for team final and jade is just doing vault doesn't that mean that it's gonna be simone, jordan and suni like I was expecting hezley to at least be on bars and beam but wow bc wouldn't that strain jordan suni and especially simone I hope team USA womens win GO TEAM USA😁❤️💙🤍
Also I'm so glad the mens got 3rd because I really wanted them to be on the podium for Team final and THEY DID SO GOOD LIKE 🎉🥳🥳 but I'm so glad that they got on the podium because this team is a good team for USA❤️💙🤍
What’s the point of alternates if you can’t use them if someone gets hurt in a warmup?!?!? I get the 24 hours before but let’s be real most of time we are seeing injuries in warm up.
Congrats to the men. Words cannot express how proud I am of this team. The Bronze was there and theirs for the taking and they earned it. Glad to see them get to the podium. I have to agree with Spencer about the Olympics not being worth it for what everyone is going through. I have been a spectator for decades. This is a different era. Going to the Olympics is a huge quadrennial event, swag et al. But it's not worth risking your health for. Once there was a time where you had to choose between remaining a professional elite or a NCAA amateur. Those days are over. You can be both now. WOGA is not the place for Hezly going forward. Henry, find another club. Hezly was not selected to this team to go into the team final. She was selected as an on the team alternate. I said this from the beginning that she is the BB and UB to balance out Jade FX and VT. She is the on the team alternate to be used in her highest scoring events. If anyone thought different or held any unrealistic expectations then you were not paying attention. Her numbers are not high enough yet to be on the 3/3 team final. She placed fifth in the AA at trials on her best performance of the senior season. And sadly, her beam was not as dazzling at Olympic quals as it was for the "setup" at trials. Where she could be used in the team final is to sub for Simone on UB. However for anyone who knows Simone, she can power through physical pain injury: broken toes, calf sprains, kidney stones, etc.
MG Elite is back next year... Hope she goes back .. But I recall one of the dugtrio head saying they would not continue the habit started by Martha of benching athletes after one bad routine. If you're part of the team you will perform. Does anyone recall was this as in the entire competition or each stage?
Im super disappointed that Hezly won't get to participate. I would have put her up on balance beam over Jordan despite the errors she had in qualification. Just my opinion🤷♂.
Honestly, to take Hezly on the team and not even use her in the end, then why did you pick her? Why didn't you take Leane or Jocelyn instead and Hezly as an alternate
Hezley was a rock at trials. That's why she was picked. But in Qualifying her nerves showed and she struggled. I only had Hezlly in the lineup if they decided to rest Simone on bars. But if Simone is good to go on all events than Hezly isn't needed. Especially after her struggle on Beam. This is about getting the gold medal, and Hezly is too much of a wild card on Beam. She is young, and this isn't the end for her. But even if it is, she will always be an Olympian.
@@caitlynskiff2001 Bars was most definitely the only way to get Hezly onto team final in order to rest Simone. I told the seasonal viewers on IG that they should show up for Quals because that was likely the only time they'd see her unless one of the top three AAs didn't compete. Of course they were pissy when I said that. I don't think people rationalized the construct of this team or why Hezly was selected. They were full of unmanaged expectations for Hezly. There's a significant amount of talent in the top three to absorb imperfections for a qual., but in a team final and the goal is the gold for redemption, the Committee would never put Hezly on a 3/3 team final even if she hit beam.
They just don't like Leanne... They picked hezly to motivate the jr elites to be hopeful and work harder . They've had mediocre results from the jrs for years now since nassar the new talent isn't there there was an exodus of elites after all
No. Courtney McCool was thought to be an All Around gold medal contender up until Qualifications. Hezley just doesn’t have enough international experience. The moment was too big for her yesterday.
It makes zero sense for the traveling alternates not warming up alongside the competing team in the event that someone gets sick or hurt at the last minute. Otherwise having alternates is pretty meaningless.
I’m glad Su Wei De is getting all the heat and criticism from Chinese fans because wtf dude if it wasn’t for you dragging the others down we coulda had gold.
Blame the victim.... If the team is constructed for individual gold, be prepared not to win the team. Be glad that Su was there to even count a score on high bar, or ZERO because there is no 4th routine on high bar.
@@cocoroni1031 why is he a victim? He fucked up and made his teammates victims of his failure. How tf are they constructed to not win the team??? They were 3 points ahead of Japan until the last rotation. Stop bullshitting
@@Qusland He’s the only one who can put a non-zero number. There are no other high bar routines because China picks two specialists. So accept the reality and be glad there is no ZERO on the screen. For the record, Chinese WAG fans BEGGED the Chinese gymnastics federation to replace Sun by Su. But I guess people can conveniently ignore and continue cyber bullying.
@@cocoroni1031 Why should I be glad there isn’t a zero on screen? He did horrible and dragged his whole team down with him. People are rightfully bitching about him wronging his teammates 🙄 He is not a victim, China could have won gold if he didn’t fuck up and people are right to bitch about him. You feel bad for him, well who’s going to feel bad for his teammates who are going to retire after this? Do you see people bitching about the women doing terribly? No? think long and hard why he’s the only one getting hate.
@@Qusland If people can’t accept the risk, don’t even put him up and count a zero in the first place lmao. Unlike the critics from Chinese, people here don’t call for violence (telling him to die) against athletes who just happen to make mistakes. It’s like a person gamble, lose a ton of money and decide to beat someone else. But sure, continue to reveal the quality of people by cyber bullying.
Silver medal is usually the least happy medal in the podium😅. Sucks for China.. and the Chinese gymnast who fell on HB twice (?) causing them the 'loss'.. what a win for USA's best scoring team algorithm 😅
Assuming Simone's injury is a non-factor as they told us...Leaving Hezly out is a mistake, IMO. Makes everyone question the selection process and sends a negative message to Hezly, who may be the only person from this team that looks at 2028. She shook off the nerves and had a good bars routine. Put her out there again and it pays dividends for the future. The US left points out there in qual and still had a 5.6pt buffer. There is no universe of possibilities where she loses 3pts on one event, let alone 5. You have to win now but you also have to build continuity and confidence heading to the next quad, and that includes the selection process. It's a gymnastics program, not just an appearance. As for alternates - easy solution - expand the competition format to 7 or 9. No alternates. You bring everyone, and everyone competes. You can then decide if you drop the lowest, or if it's 5 up 5 count etc etc etc. The idea that an entire nation's gymnastics can be evaluated by 3 scores is absurd to begin with. And yes, the competition will take longer. So be it. Also, the 2 per country rule has to go away. Worst rule in gymnastics.
Hezly will have plenty of opportunities to prove herself for 2028. Her inexperience in international competition showed and if everyone else on the team is up to the challenge, it makes sense to pull her from the team finals. The big question now is if Jade is feeling well enough to compete at her full potential because she had a rocky qualification round too.
honestly, i don't see much in the future for Hezly. She's very medium to me and in theory, she could turn into the next quad's tasha schweikert or kyla ross, but I don't see it. I see returning veterans and new up & comers overtaking her in the coming years. we'll see i guess
Not if she's feeling well enough. Apparently the calf issue is not a major injury and certainly nothing that would keep her from competing. This is an athlete that competed at worlds while passing a kidney stone and in other events with broken toes. She was being cautious during qualifications to make sure that she wouldn't hurt herself with a wonky landing and have to miss the team and event finals.
I thought this was about the men's finals not this dizzy girl's inability to stay focused on a topic......not about women's gymnastics.....according to your headline. What a waste of my time
@leemarie7724 The first 17:35 is about men's gymnastics. Gymcastic focuses on WAG, and most of their listeners (such as myself) are very interested in the update about the French women's team that followed the MAG content.
@@KS-lp3ui I have a feeling that the OP has no clue what MAG and WAG stand for, as they seem to be totally unfamiliar with Gymcastic and what the podcast covers. Oh well.
Impressive for US men to hit 18 / 18.
I was so proud of the US men’s team today!!!! They hit every single routine!!! They were so happy and SO WAS I!!!
Paul Juda and Stephen Nedoroscik can tell all the haters to suck it. They both did exactly what was expected of them when picked for the team.
I thought the same thing😂
For sure, and the haters are doubling down calling it luck 🤯. When teams are selected they are done to improvise for as many scenarios to happen when they select the highest scoring team, but they cannot ever pick a perfect team because they don't get an NBA franchise size roster to send to the Olympics.
@@creating1_c1999 in this case it is less about the size of the team and more that they needed to have the highest scoring team to have a chance at winning bronze. They all did what they were expected to do
🎯🎯🎯
I was absolutely sobbing during the whole pommel rotation
The men were the epitome of the 3rd place meme where the dude celebrates with champagne! 🤣
So basically, the French gymnasts were freaked out BECAUSE their organisation FAILED to undertake the appropriate medical assessment for an injured gymnast. That's horrifying
It certainly is, which is why we need to have the alternates warming up alongside the competing team in the event that something like this happens. The team still would have been a bit shaken by seeing one of their teammates taking such a bad fall, but at least they wouldn't be worrying about her through the whole competition and be able to concentrate. The rule about how traveling alternates can be utilized makes very little sense.
This men’s team made Men’s gymnastics fun to watch! It was a huge win!!!
I cried when Nedorsek dismounted.
I'm proud of Hezley. She really held herself steady and stoic even through that knee drop on the beam! She stayed on the 4 inch wide structure in her first olympics. People with more experience have fallen off on that same day and so many in the past too.
I'm team Hezley! ❤🎉
Anyone can have a bad event or even a bad day. She rebounded. There's a lot of energy to absorb. I don't see her having a successful future if she remains with Valeri. He is going to break her.
MG Elite will be back next year 🎉🎉🎉 can't wait for her secret new elites
@@davedavey-y8e are you serious with this comment? Are you implying she has been secretly coaching going against her ban?
Did you notice that he didnt hug or acknowledge her after the beam? He passed her like a full bus. It was Cecile who comforted her after. I agree with you. He will break that poor kid @@creating1_c1999
I BAWLED my eyes out for Paul Juda and Brody. 😭❤️
Juda yes by Malone, the MAGAt cult member not a chance.
Japan's difficulty was 4 points higher than the US. 3rd place by 1.8. That is amazing.
I was so happy for the USA.
The rules about using alternates is so important- thank you both for covering this. I hope there is some clout from the two of you, perhaps maybe with Christine Brennan as well, and from the Gymnastics community at large to push for health, safety, and joy of sport by examining the reasons for the current rules and how they can be changed. The story of what happened to the team from France is heartbreaking, but they cannot possibly be alone in such an experience. Change must happen as soon as possible.
I am rooting for USA women.
Thank you for all the info. Spencer, you look great in that color. Hope you’re getting better each day. Jess, love you, too.
Good for you for helping Onodi. She lives in Florida, apparently.
Can we acknowledge that the parallel rotation went 24 for 24!
Ooof, I hope Melanie finds a way out of that mental state
Does anyone feel old like me when Oleg Varnaiev was a baby at the 2012 American Cup and said he was the future of Ukrainian men’s gymnastics?
Amazing how he is still competing for his country.
So they actually got posters in those boxes! They also get a limited edition stuffed mascot with their medal and shoes that are the color of their medal with Bravo engraved on the back
If Marta was here, Hezley would have never been on the team.
She is not a “Beamer” quite yet.
I like Paul Juda and Fredrick Richards. Stephen N is Clark Kent and Superman.
I am so happy for the men's team u.S.A. Congratulations to China and Japan, but go u.S a! About the women's French team I totally agree with jessica. That girl Never should have been allowed to compete with a possible concaution , which was more than likely. I don't think they're keeping their athletes , safety or Health as a primary goal which It absolutely should be. I also agree about the alternate situation in regards to both france and the us. Jade was sick.She knew she was sick And they could have easily put the alternate in.
Wait so for womens team final since they didnt put hezley in the line up for team final and jade is just doing vault doesn't that mean that it's gonna be simone, jordan and suni like I was expecting hezley to at least be on bars and beam but wow bc wouldn't that strain jordan suni and especially simone I hope team USA womens win
GO TEAM USA😁❤️💙🤍
Also I'm so glad the mens got 3rd because I really wanted them to be on the podium for Team final and THEY DID SO GOOD LIKE 🎉🥳🥳 but I'm so glad that they got on the podium because this team is a good team for USA❤️💙🤍
What’s the point of alternates if you can’t use them if someone gets hurt in a warmup?!?!? I get the 24 hours before but let’s be real most of time we are seeing injuries in warm up.
I'm with Spencer! Stop giving me hugs!
Congrats to the men. Words cannot express how proud I am of this team. The Bronze was there and theirs for the taking and they earned it. Glad to see them get to the podium.
I have to agree with Spencer about the Olympics not being worth it for what everyone is going through. I have been a spectator for decades. This is a different era. Going to the Olympics is a huge quadrennial event, swag et al. But it's not worth risking your health for. Once there was a time where you had to choose between remaining a professional elite or a NCAA amateur. Those days are over. You can be both now.
WOGA is not the place for Hezly going forward. Henry, find another club.
Hezly was not selected to this team to go into the team final. She was selected as an on the team alternate. I said this from the beginning that she is the BB and UB to balance out Jade FX and VT. She is the on the team alternate to be used in her highest scoring events. If anyone thought different or held any unrealistic expectations then you were not paying attention. Her numbers are not high enough yet to be on the 3/3 team final. She placed fifth in the AA at trials on her best performance of the senior season. And sadly, her beam was not as dazzling at Olympic quals as it was for the "setup" at trials.
Where she could be used in the team final is to sub for Simone on UB. However for anyone who knows Simone, she can power through physical pain injury: broken toes, calf sprains, kidney stones, etc.
MG Elite is back next year... Hope she goes back ..
But I recall one of the dugtrio head saying they would not continue the habit started by Martha of benching athletes after one bad routine. If you're part of the team you will perform.
Does anyone recall was this as in the entire competition or each stage?
@@davedavey-y8e they put the best scorers on the team final...it just happens that she had a bad beam
Im super disappointed that Hezly won't get to participate. I would have put her up on balance beam over Jordan despite the errors she had in qualification. Just my opinion🤷♂.
27:47 a WOGA athlete being overtrained - what a shocker *sarcasm*
Honestly, to take Hezly on the team and not even use her in the end, then why did you pick her? Why didn't you take Leane or Jocelyn instead and Hezly as an alternate
Hezley was a rock at trials. That's why she was picked. But in Qualifying her nerves showed and she struggled. I only had Hezlly in the lineup if they decided to rest Simone on bars. But if Simone is good to go on all events than Hezly isn't needed. Especially after her struggle on Beam. This is about getting the gold medal, and Hezly is too much of a wild card on Beam. She is young, and this isn't the end for her. But even if it is, she will always be an Olympian.
@@caitlynskiff2001 Bars was most definitely the only way to get Hezly onto team final in order to rest Simone. I told the seasonal viewers on IG that they should show up for Quals because that was likely the only time they'd see her unless one of the top three AAs didn't compete. Of course they were pissy when I said that.
I don't think people rationalized the construct of this team or why Hezly was selected. They were full of unmanaged expectations for Hezly. There's a significant amount of talent in the top three to absorb imperfections for a qual., but in a team final and the goal is the gold for redemption, the Committee would never put Hezly on a 3/3 team final even if she hit beam.
@@caitlynskiff2001 Hezly's BB at trials was filled with bobbles and balance checks. Go and watch it. Her bars were good, though.
They just don't like Leanne... They picked hezly to motivate the jr elites to be hopeful and work harder . They've had mediocre results from the jrs for years now since nassar the new talent isn't there there was an exodus of elites after all
Hezly Rivera is this Olympics' Courtney McCool.
No. Courtney McCool was thought to be an All Around gold medal contender up until Qualifications.
Hezley just doesn’t have enough international experience. The moment was too big for her yesterday.
You mean vaulters can’t land in the superhero squat?
It makes zero sense for the traveling alternates not warming up alongside the competing team in the event that someone gets sick or hurt at the last minute. Otherwise having alternates is pretty meaningless.
Good to hear Syque's comments about podium training. I was wondering what was going on because they didn't seem to actually get anything well.
I thought Suni was doing individual all around. I'm confused. I'm sure I saw it/read it somewhere that it was Simone and Suni.
She is. She’s just not doing every event in the team competition.
Suni is in the AA final. But she isn't doing AA in the Team final since Jade, Jordan, and Simone all have higher scoring vaults than her.
Yes in individual competition suni’s doing all around, but in team competition only 2 events.
@@guardianofthegalaxy2051you mean 3 ?;jade is only doing 1 routine vault... Hezly is contributing 0
I’m glad Su Wei De is getting all the heat and criticism from Chinese fans because wtf dude if it wasn’t for you dragging the others down we coulda had gold.
Blame the victim.... If the team is constructed for individual gold, be prepared not to win the team. Be glad that Su was there to even count a score on high bar, or ZERO because there is no 4th routine on high bar.
@@cocoroni1031 why is he a victim? He fucked up and made his teammates victims of his failure. How tf are they constructed to not win the team??? They were 3 points ahead of Japan until the last rotation. Stop bullshitting
@@Qusland He’s the only one who can put a non-zero number. There are no other high bar routines because China picks two specialists. So accept the reality and be glad there is no ZERO on the screen. For the record, Chinese WAG fans BEGGED the Chinese gymnastics federation to replace Sun by Su. But I guess people can conveniently ignore and continue cyber bullying.
@@cocoroni1031 Why should I be glad there isn’t a zero on screen? He did horrible and dragged his whole team down with him. People are rightfully bitching about him wronging his teammates 🙄
He is not a victim, China could have won gold if he didn’t fuck up and people are right to bitch about him. You feel bad for him, well who’s going to feel bad for his teammates who are going to retire after this?
Do you see people bitching about the women doing terribly? No? think long and hard why he’s the only one getting hate.
@@Qusland If people can’t accept the risk, don’t even put him up and count a zero in the first place lmao. Unlike the critics from Chinese, people here don’t call for violence (telling him to die) against athletes who just happen to make mistakes. It’s like a person gamble, lose a ton of money and decide to beat someone else. But sure, continue to reveal the quality of people by cyber bullying.
I cried for China😭😭😭😭
Spoiler alert, please! 😂😂 😂😂
Hilarious if neither Hezly nor Jade end up being used in the team final. Hilarious for Jocelyn and Leanne, I'm sure.
Jade is doing Vault
@@caitlynskiff2001 Allegedly
@@absurdhominid4669 Not allegedly. She is in the official lineup.
Silver medal is usually the least happy medal in the podium😅. Sucks for China.. and the Chinese gymnast who fell on HB twice (?) causing them the 'loss'.. what a win for USA's best scoring team algorithm 😅
He also fell on vault. Poor guy.
Assuming Simone's injury is a non-factor as they told us...Leaving Hezly out is a mistake, IMO. Makes everyone question the selection process and sends a negative message to Hezly, who may be the only person from this team that looks at 2028. She shook off the nerves and had a good bars routine. Put her out there again and it pays dividends for the future. The US left points out there in qual and still had a 5.6pt buffer. There is no universe of possibilities where she loses 3pts on one event, let alone 5. You have to win now but you also have to build continuity and confidence heading to the next quad, and that includes the selection process. It's a gymnastics program, not just an appearance.
As for alternates - easy solution - expand the competition format to 7 or 9. No alternates. You bring everyone, and everyone competes. You can then decide if you drop the lowest, or if it's 5 up 5 count etc etc etc. The idea that an entire nation's gymnastics can be evaluated by 3 scores is absurd to begin with. And yes, the competition will take longer. So be it.
Also, the 2 per country rule has to go away. Worst rule in gymnastics.
Hezly will have plenty of opportunities to prove herself for 2028. Her inexperience in international competition showed and if everyone else on the team is up to the challenge, it makes sense to pull her from the team finals. The big question now is if Jade is feeling well enough to compete at her full potential because she had a rocky qualification round too.
honestly, i don't see much in the future for Hezly. She's very medium to me and in theory, she could turn into the next quad's tasha schweikert or kyla ross, but I don't see it. I see returning veterans and new up & comers overtaking her in the coming years. we'll see i guess
First
First loser?
Gold?
I am predicting Simone Biles will opt out of the All Around due to injury to allow Jordan Childs to compete. 🤷♂️
Not if she's feeling well enough. Apparently the calf issue is not a major injury and certainly nothing that would keep her from competing. This is an athlete that competed at worlds while passing a kidney stone and in other events with broken toes. She was being cautious during qualifications to make sure that she wouldn't hurt herself with a wonky landing and have to miss the team and event finals.
In. What. World?
USA could have won silver.....if they hadn't watered down some routines!!!
I don't understand why this sport is structured so terribly. Structurally abusive, racist, sexist, and full of itself.
I thought this was about the men's finals not this dizzy girl's inability to stay focused on a topic......not about women's gymnastics.....according to your headline. What a waste of my time
just click off?
@leemarie7724 The first 17:35 is about men's gymnastics. Gymcastic focuses on WAG, and most of their listeners (such as myself) are very interested in the update about the French women's team that followed the MAG content.
@@KS-lp3ui I have a feeling that the OP has no clue what MAG and WAG stand for, as they seem to be totally unfamiliar with Gymcastic and what the podcast covers. Oh well.
@@flyermontana Yeah, you're right