I don't remember where i heard this but peach's neutral b was supposed to be turnip, but they changed it later in development because she gets the turnip out of the ground, and she kneels down to get it.
I love the idea of adding more characters as skin swaps if it helps reduce the roster size. I feel like it would make for more inspired game balancing but also it would keep fan favorites in the game
With some characters it simply couldn't work because they're different sizes. Even Lucina and Chrom, as similar and related as they are, can't really work as skins of each other because Lucina's meant to be shorter.
Just like DK's up special in Melee, Piranha Plant's up special was meant to have more directions to move in, primarily downwards, as seen in his reveal trailer.
I wish more special moves had more handling like that. K. Rool's sticks out as one that is annoyingly stiff to control, always going quickly up instead of being more variable in its momentum.
20:58 You guys dodged a bullet by getting Min Min. The rest of the ARMS characters have mechanics that would have been broken when put Smash. Min Min's inclusion made complete sense when considering that she won the last Party Crash and she's also the favorite character of ARMS' producer.
The rest of the characters would be basically "what if Min Min but a comeback mechanic" or "with a teleport" or "with extra jumps" or "with super armor on everything"
On the day of the reveal of Min Min, I actually forgot about the Arms rep reveal and I just guessed it was either her or, on a whim because he came to mind first, Ninjaro; I was like, “It’s either Min Min because it’s the most likely, or that one blue ninja guy in Arms (I didn’t know his name at the time),” and it turned out that I got both of them right even though Ninjaro wasn’t put in. I didn’t think that the person who I guessed on a whim was gonna be the closest to getting into Smash if Min Min was passed up, but here we are
Sonic with his Classic Design would have made sense since so many third-parties would end up using their oldest designs in Smash such as Mega Man and Simon.
What about bayonetta? her first game design appears but her main design is her second game Also i think it would make sense to have classic sonic as an alternative custome
@@MaorKoren6405 Classic Sonic has different proportions from Modern Sonic. Also, with Bayonetta, it's basically the same general design but with a different hairstyle and outfit, so if anything she's closer to Ike in terms of how their outfits work.
I'd have loved Alph being separate, or at least having every Olimar alt slot replaced with another character; Olimar, Louie, President, Alph, Brittany, Charlie, and then, maybe, obscurer characters like Olimars kids or his wife and the president's wife, just because it would be funny.
Typically, in Smash, the special moves vaguely align with their directional inputs. A side b normally has a hit box to the side, an up b typically goes up, and so on. I think that's why Peach's moves got swapped. It seems way more intuitive to me for Peach to pluck turnips up from the ground with her down b. I figure the devs thought the same, and did it to make it more intuitive for newer players.
I believe the reason to why turnips are down b and counter is neutral is because you need to be on the ground to use turnips and restricting a neutral b to the ground is very hindering, also the move looks more like a downward input
Highly doubt Angelo would’ve been included as a full-on character alt. They probably just made Eleven’s alt that color because they both have generally longer hair.
I'm kind of glad Ninjara didn't get in. He was omega annoying and he was top 3 competitively. But that came down to ARMS that were not his default so I dunno about that now and days.
Iirc, Didn’t sakurai specifically say he chose min min because arm’s director wanted her, as she is his favorite? I’m pretty sure he said he liked ninjarl but the director asked for her and sakurai obliged, I don’t remember hearing anything about her offering more potential. Also any armd character would have been unpopular as they’d likely all have this same base kit
Peach main here. I think the vegetable move being set to down-b comes down to the logistics of the animations. Simply put, Peach crouches down to pluck the turnips in the animations. Since Peach is a character I think newer players would gravitate towards (Mario franchise and all), it makes her unique gimmicks a bit easier to read and learn.
Honestly I prefer Zelda and Sheik switching characters whenever they're on the battlefield, bcuz when I saw Charizard being intergrated back into the Pokemon Trainer, I immeadiately thought: "Oh, so Zelda and Sheik can swap each other again, and the same goes to Zero Suit Samus". But then, the website happens, and Zelda and Sheik, along with Zero Suit Samus, are back to being seperate characters again. I can understand why they were seperate characters in Smash Bros for Wii U & 3DS, due to hardware limitations, but Ultimate was released for the Nintendo Switch, a console/handheld that has more horse power then the Wii U & 3DS.
8:45 “What would be the point of adding Perry without more Super Princess Peach content?” What’s the point of adding Cappy to Mario without more Super Mario Odyssey content?
I didn’t know there were multiple times I could’ve been different from Marth?!! I also have one if not the most inaccurate personality in smash! Though Sakurai stated that he gave all the Fire Emblem characters “simplified” personalities in smash, not sure why, it doesn’t have much of a reason for my personality to be inaccurate but it’s info I guess
You know, what's funny about the possibility of final smashes in the first game is that _every_ Smash 64 fighter would've had the same final smash as they eventually got in Brawl...except Donkey Kong. Seriously, think about it. All the other characters use final smashes that are either made-up or based on something the characters have done since almost their inception. Donkey Kong is the only exception because banging on bongos didn't become his thing until the GameCube era. Kinda weird to think about now. Some of those characters would eventually receive newer final smashes that referenced newer material, whilst Donkey Kong would go backwards and receive a new final smash that doesn't really reference anything in particular and could've easily been in Smash 64.
@@vjoe5389 No, because I hear people talk about Bulbasaur being their favorite, or Venusaur's utility, or that line's versatility more than I ever hear talk of the Squirtle line for anything, unless it's how much people dislike Wartortle (sorry Pablo). Then there's things like this, Blastoise being snubbed in Unite so far, and various other examples of Nintendo in general preferring the other two over him. Charizard is the overrated fan favorite they're obligated to include, while Bulbasaur is their first and favorite kid that they prefer to have around. The Squirtle line honestly suffers from middle kid syndrome the most imo.
@@edwardnygma8533 I guess that makes sense in the context of Nintendo and Gamefreaks favorite between the 3 starters, but when it comes to the fans I usually see more love for Blastoise than Venusaur.
@@vjoe5389 That part probably comes down to personal experience, making me differ, but yeah for most things I've seen if Nintendo has to snub one of the three, it's Blastoise.
I’m pretty sure that Byleth was intended to be Hunter from Monster Hunter. The move set makes sense as it is like many of hunter weapons. Moreover, Ratholos is the only boss in world of light that doesn’t have the protagonist of their game in smash.
I think peppy and slippy were both issues with ground combat because peppy is old and less agile while slippy is… slippy. It’d be neat to see them in at some point, maybe with a weapon-centered kit, but fox and falco were really the only ones that fit the bill.
I wanna see Toon Sheik especially since source gaming saids it wasn’t Tetra because if it was was the files would’ve been called Tetra so she probably would’ve our first smash original fighter.
People have theorized that Byleth was a originally going to be a Monster Hunter, due to the weapon switching and whatnot. They say negotiations with Capcom must have fallen through resulting in Byleth being developed from the hunter’s concept moveset.
Quite unfortunate and man did it make FE fans more toxic than ever. The Vibe that Byleth's Trailer gave off was the impression that Byleth was Entitled to join Smash Bros no matter what, and it was absurd he wasn't already in. And you can tell with the way Sothis yammers on about it while Byleth doesn’t even look like he wants to be in Smash Bros, Nevertheless I always cringe at the Trailer.
*Hot Take* - There is no reason the whole Team Star Fox shouldn't be here. If Fire Emblem gets to have Marth, Lucina, Roy, and Chrom, there's no reason we shouldn't have Fox, Falco, Peppy and Slippy all as echoes or semiclones of each other. It'd make perfect sense given that the whole team uses the same weaponry, and having all 4 of those iconic personalities would help make the roster feel complete. You could even throw in Leon with Wolf for total of 6 Reps or Krystal to make it 7. **Inb4 too many Spacie Animals**
@@IcyDiamond Yeah, I'm just saying that Min Min being chosen isn't the reason the ARMS fighter tuned out bad. If another AMRS character was chosen I feel they'd probably have a lot of the same problems as Min Min.
@@dreamlanderjoel8162 Yeah fair, honestly I don’t think the idea of an Arms character was bad, it was just executed badly, because of you take out Min Min from Pass 2, they are all some fantastic characters!
Personally, I didn't like that Zelda and Sheik were separated. I am willing to accept how unpopular my opinion is, but I don't agree with Sheik being a completely separate character. Really, I don't like her being in Smash Bros at all, as she is representing significantly less of the Zelda franchise compared to the other five, but I was willing to tolerate her as part of Zelda's gimmick of swapping between a princess and a ninja. It was a bit weird keeping that around when Zelda was updated to her Twilight Princess model, but apparently Sheik was planned to be part of that game but was scrapped, so it's not like it's completely baseless. However, then they became separate characters entirely, and once this happened, in my eyes Sheik completely fell apart. On her own, Sheik doesn't feel like she's representing a Zelda character so much as the generic ninja archetype, since basically her entire kit is original Smash Bros. moves, and this is made almost entirely redundant because the very same direct that announced Sheik as a separate character was the direct that Greninja was revealed, as in a character that fits the ninja archetype that is making a serious attempt at representing their home series. What's worse is that in some ways it feels like Smash 4 treated Sheik as more important than Zelda because of this, which absolutely should not be the case. Thankfully this paradigm shifted in Ultimate, and Zelda felt like the dominant character again, but this just pushed Sheik into the background of all the better characters in the game. At this point, Sheik feels more like a Smash original character than a Zelda character, though she's not the only character I feel this way about, and considering that she's part of the Zelda universe, a universe populated with three different sizes of the same character and a villain that's still copying a different kind of character from a different universe, this makes Zelda representation in Smash Bros feel that bit more frustrating. Is her inclusion a mistake? No; she's representing arguably her series' most important title, and her origins as a part of Zelda's kit does at least loosely justify her presence in the game, and while her playstyle doesn't match mine, I know there are plenty of people happy to play as her. And I will give her this: her new Final Smash is visually one of the coolest in the game.
I’m sorry, but the part about Sonic doesn’t seem to be accurate. I read that interview and it said he was choosing which Sonic to go with and he went with the Classic in terms of gameplay. He said if he focused on more recent games it would be a different Sonic. You can’t focus on a wiki for information because they are easily editable. You need to read the direct source
What if the Octolings can get in smash ultimate with the inklings as an echo fighter I think 🤔 we are going to get a echo fighter pass because I have vision to the future
They are canonically similar but wouldn't a semi/pusedo clone sound better then an echo? If she did get in as an echo too then that means our only hope for another splat rep is gone.
It would be cool if they released 3 more echoes after fighter pass 2, that way the roster would be a perfect square. Or you could stack echoes or delete all your miis
Even if they used Sonic's classic design (which would indeed have been the wrong move), it sounds like his moveset would've still been the same. The only big issue with Sonic's moveset is that his Side Special is too similar to his Down Special, anyway. Otherwise, his moveset is just fine. In fact, it was rather creative of them to reference "Sonic the Fighters" for many of his attacks.
Some other moves are a bit lame, relying a bit too much on the ball aspect of Sonic or just being basic. I feel like more moves from his games (particularly Sonic Battle) could've been referenced. Also I'm surprised Tails isn't part of his moveset at all.
I would've loved to see Pokemon Trainer being Charmander, Ivy, and Balstoise, and then Charizard being his own character. I also would've loved to have Zidane rather than Cloud, but thats just because FF9 is my favorite of the series.
Wonder how they'd have implemented steal as a mechanic since using an RPG thief without having something representing that archetype's focus on getting additional item drops via stealing seems like a waste. (Vivi would have been my first choice of Final Fantasy rep, but... Ah well)
@@Stephen-Fox I'd imagine steal could've acted a lot like The Villager/Isabelle, though people way smarter than me could probably come up with something better. Vivi would've been absolutely welcome to me, too.
Actually it wasn’t a choice between ninjara and min min. The arms dev wanted min min, so sakurai chose min min. The part about ninjara was more that if it was up to sakurai himself, he would’ve chosen ninjara (basically sakurai would’ve chosen his favourite character from the game)
I am still rooting for Rillaboom to join smash ultimate dlc to replace Decidueye just like when min min replace spring man and pyra/mythra replacing Rex. With Rillaboom we can finally have a fully evolved Grass type Starter playable in smash ultimate.
i do agree we need some leafs i personally think decidueye would still make the most sense since not only would it be the first fully evolved grass type and ghost he’d in theory have a unique moveset since he’s a bow fighter first unlike the links and rillaboom would make sense cinderace is far more popular with fans unlike decidueye who is actually the most popular starter based on many polls of pokémon youtubers where he barely beat out greninja by only a .1%
I'd prefer Cinderace, personally, it's my favorite Fire Starter. It's also the most popular of the Galar Starters, gets a lot more promotion as well, and it would have much better potential for a moveset. Before you say we have two Fire Starters already, Charizard and Incineroar are both heavyweights, while Cinderace would be lighter and faster than both of them. I doubt they'd care about type representation, considering all the sword fighters we have.
@Dark Stuff it’s going to happened any ways because Rillaboom is unique character that can use grass type moves such as drum beating and make sounds base moves. I hear that Rillaboom was one the most used Pokémon and a popular one for competitive along with Incinaroar and Greninja.
16:36 I kept telling people that it could work only on the 3DS. Have Popo be playable alone with Nana as an alt., just give them a buff and the condor as their new up special, and make them a pair again in the Wii U version. That would be a workaround I can get behind.
while I can understand why, and while I'm so glad that Cloud made it to Smash, Fusoya from IV?!, Bartz from V?!, Terra from VI?! Now I really wish Bartz and Terra as well as Fusoya make it to Smash. Heck you might as well include all the Final Fantasy Protagonists and Antagonists from I-XV, and maybe XVI. Or you could include 4 Main Protagonists and 4 Main Antagonists for the Final Fantasy Characters and include the rest in the form of a Final Smash for both Protagonists and Antagonists like how the Hero from Dragon Quest was included and represented.
Cloud has been, as of this day, the most difficult character to obtain the rights for in smash bros history,. and the whole "everyone is here" propaganda for ultimate almost didnt happen thanks to Square,. by contrast, Snake was a lot more easy to get the rights back. Imagine trying to get the rights of 8 Final Fantasy main characters at once. .
correction, 4 Main Final Fantasy Characters, and 4 Main Final Fantasy Villains. wait a sec, you said that Snake was pretty easy to return in Smash Bros Ultimate... How was Snake easy to return in Ultimate?
@@egateqa1351 Sakurai himself said in when he was talking about the challenges of making Ultimate, he said that Cloud was the most difficult character to bring back, and that by comparison snake was a lot easier, and konami in general was cooperative during development, judging by all the castlevania content we got in the base game.
@@ayar2 ok, that does seem fair. Still though, I would've like to see Fusoya, Bartz and Terra. I mean (I know this sounds like deja vu), you could've had a oppurtunity to have all the Final Fantasy Protagonists and Antagonists, or 4 Protagonists and 4 Antagonists and have the other Protagonists and Antagonists from the Final Fantasy Series being apart of their Final Smash, similar to what Sakurai did to the Hero from the Dragon Quest games. Like, Bartz, Terra, Cloud, and maybe Fusoya could represent the Warriors of Light while Gilgamesh, Kefka, Sephiroth, and maybe Golbez could represent the Warriors of Chaos.
I would imagine it would be the reverse of that. The aegises on the back, maybe even with some other blades (generic common blade and Roc o something), not just cheering, but applying buffs to Rex just like in Xenoblade 2.
Big disagreement on Min Min. She won the ARMS tournament to determine the fan favorite character, and if they wanted to use another character they would've had a very similar moveset but with different ARMS weapons equipped. Picking Ninjara would have changed nothing about what people dislike while simultaneously irritating the game's fan base by passing over the most popular choice.
Basically, Springman would be Min Min with a comeback mechanic, Ribbon Girl would be Min Min with multi jumps, Ninjara would've been Min Min with teleport. Besides that, she's really fun to play if you're aggressive. But you know the old saying: play lame, win games
I’ve already lost hope for another one, Sonic deserved another Rep before Castlevania, Street Fighter and Final Fantasy. At this point I want Sega to make their own Smash Clone like Nickelodeon is doing, we’d get way more Sonic characters plus cool additions like Ristar, Sketch Turner, Axel, Blaze, Altered Beast, Alex Kidd, Vectorman, NiGHTS, AiAi, Beat, Kiryu, Akira and many more Sega All Stars.
@@brandonwilliams6119 Yeah, honestly, I think Nintendo should just cool it with third-party characters in Smash, and just give those other publishers permission to make their own official Smash Bros. games.
@@Dan_- Thank you for giving me your thoughts on that idea I brought up. I just feel burned out of Nintendo Smash. I even want Sony to try again with PlayStation All Stars Battle Royale.
Another point for why Pyra was opted as opposed to Rex and Pyra is that, and minor spoilers for the beginning of the game, Pyra and Rex's lives are linked when she used part of her core crystal to keep him alive after being stabbed thorugh the chest by Jin. Aside from how difficult it'd be to include the switch mechanic in a Ice Climbers style character there's also the logistical reasoning that if Pyra/Mythra died what happens to Rex? Nana and Popo don't have that kind of problem.
@@Girkirbythesecond Oh, yeah that's true. In that case, Rex and Pyra/Mythra may have been a duo character, but I don't think they would've functioned identically to how Ice Climbers work. Obviously I don't share a mind with Sakurai, but if I were to make a guess as to how they might have worked, I'm assuming one of them was in front fighting and the other in the back for support - similar to the Driver/Blade mechanic in XC2. Perhaps even with some ability to switch between which one is in front (which is probably where they got a full moveset for Pyra/Mythra). But iirc, having both Rex and Pyra/Mythra was causing performance issues, especially in 8-Player Smash. So they scrapped that idea and went with just Pyra and Mythra instead.
11:21 A Miiverse. The go-to place to get Screenshots of newly released Wii U Games and their nice water. 12:57 Lucina probably cheated to "meet the clock". She has timetraveled before. 😜 13:36 At this point I think "Pikmin 4" was "Hey Pikmin!". And don't come at me with "But Miyamoto said..." Miyamoto has been caught lying before. Just research the whole rabbit hole around "Super Mario 128"... 20:13 I actually was in "Team Twintelle" as I thought that would make it easier to include items for her to use, given her ARMS aren't her arms at all. 21:31 That's inaccurate. Lucina doesn't has Bow Access (without reclassing, which is a very wide barrel that we won't open) in Awakening. What she does have is Lance Access. Just as her Father due to the Class Great Lord. There is little reason to play Lances on either of them though. Secondary Weapons haven't been much of a consideration in Smash anyway though. Imagine Ike using Urvan (Greil's gargantuan Axe) for Smash Attacks or Airials for extra range. Alas that doesn't happen. About PK Starstorm for Ness and Blue Falcon for Captain Falcon being scrapped Final Smashes being surprisingly used almost a decade later. Their series have been languishing in dormancy for longer than a decade by now...
I feel like with the blasters one maybe we'd get charmander not charizard but they had squirtle and charizard swap so charmanders line is the final evo of the group as he's more favored throughout the series and us a fan favorite
One thing you forgot: In Pikachu’s Ultimate trailer it shows Game and Watch charging forward smash, but he uses a different sprite, implying he wasn’t going to use his new sprites until late in development.
I mean yea not a lot of people like min min, but honestly that's more because of arms than min min. any arms rep would have the rediculous range and similar play style that we don't like
Why didn't they make Olimars alt Louie I mean they could've easily made Alph an echo fighter with like an alt of Brittany??? Is that her name but it would have made much more sense ik they wanted to promote Pikmin 3 buuuut yeah
I really thought Alph was going to get his own spot in the roster as an echo in Ultimate. Would have been nice if Olimar got Louie and the President skins and Alph got Brittany and Charlie skins. That would have been complete representation for the series and nobody would have complained about it
I'm like the only one who doesn't want Heihachi in smash, and it's the same reason I hypocritically didn't want Steve. IMO SSB, PSASBR, or a potential X-Box counterpart fighters should be exclusive to those games.
Hmm, for Final Smashes in Smash 64, aside from Ness and Captain Falcon, the ones for Mario, Link (Triforce Slash), and Kirby (Cook Kirby) would probably be similar to the ones they had in Brawl. Possibly Samus and Fox, as well, except they wouldn't have incorporated Zero Suit Samus, and the Landmaster would probably need to be cinematic rather than fully playable. I don't know where Negative Zone (Luigi), Dragon Yoshi, and Puff Up (Jigglypuff) came from in the first place, so who knows if those wacky ideas would've still been used back then. The ones for Donkey Kong and Pikachu would need to be different, as the DK Bongo games didn't exist yet, not did the Volt Tackle move. Pikachu would be especially tricky, as its most powerful attack back then (Thunder) is already incorporated in its standard moveset, so they'd probably have to come up with some sort of combo like dashing around and striking with Agility and Quick Attack before grabbing the character for a close range Thunder.
In the SNES game Super Mario World (its debut game) Yoshi gets different powers if it's holding a Koopa Shell in its mouth with 2 of those powers being Fireball Breath from Red Shells and Winged Flight from Blue shells. According to the Pokedex Jigglypuff is classified as the "Balloon Pokémon" and due to this classification a recurring Jigglypuff in the Anime would puff up a little when upset. Not sure about Luigi's. If it's a reference to something then I'm unaware.
I just looked it up and I'll copy-paste the Origin section of the Smash Wiki's page for Brawl Luigi's Final Smash "Negative Zone": "The move is unique to Super Smash Bros. Brawl. However, the name may be a reference to Luigi always being in his brother's shadow (as mentioned in the move's trophy description), Luigi being originally just a palette swap of Mario's color scheme, the inverted overworld in Super Mario Bros. 2, or every color viewed through the bubble being changed into its negative color." Edit: Whoops, just realized this video and more specifically your comment was posted 2 months ago. Oh well, I've already posted my reply.
I don't remember where i heard this but peach's neutral b was supposed to be turnip, but they changed it later in development because she gets the turnip out of the ground, and she kneels down to get it.
Makes sense, it matches the controls of the game she gets the ability from too
Yeah makes sense since down bs are usually counters so her down b originally being a counter seems right
Yea, it’s because of the file names of the moves in melee
Yeah that's how it was known in the files it was labeled as a down b
Sonic: OH CMON!
The fact that Smash Bros has so much cut content shows how much love was put into smash and how frustrating making the games are.
I think the turnip pluck is probably down b to stay more true to how it worked in mario 2
Makes even less sense on Daisy
Eight's alternate costume is based on Terry from Dragon Quest VI, not Prince of Midenhall.
The Prince of Midenhall can't even use magic so it wouldn't make sense for him to be one of the heroes in Smash.
"Would they have to include the rest of the star wolf crew to even it out?" Yeah, I'm a Pigma Dengar main.
I love the idea of adding more characters as skin swaps if it helps reduce the roster size. I feel like it would make for more inspired game balancing but also it would keep fan favorites in the game
Oh hey smash bracket!
Then you would still have people saying "Why is x just a skin? They should be their own character!" There is no objective winning formula.
With some characters it simply couldn't work because they're different sizes. Even Lucina and Chrom, as similar and related as they are, can't really work as skins of each other because Lucina's meant to be shorter.
Just like DK's up special in Melee, Piranha Plant's up special was meant to have more directions to move in, primarily downwards, as seen in his reveal trailer.
Huh, didn't know that
I wish more special moves had more handling like that. K. Rool's sticks out as one that is annoyingly stiff to control, always going quickly up instead of being more variable in its momentum.
20:58 You guys dodged a bullet by getting Min Min. The rest of the ARMS characters have mechanics that would have been broken when put Smash. Min Min's inclusion made complete sense when considering that she won the last Party Crash and she's also the favorite character of ARMS' producer.
The rest of the characters would be basically "what if Min Min but a comeback mechanic" or "with a teleport" or "with extra jumps" or "with super armor on everything"
Being arms dev favourite characters is the one reason sakurai gave why they chose her over the others.
On the day of the reveal of Min Min, I actually forgot about the Arms rep reveal and I just guessed it was either her or, on a whim because he came to mind first, Ninjaro; I was like, “It’s either Min Min because it’s the most likely, or that one blue ninja guy in Arms (I didn’t know his name at the time),” and it turned out that I got both of them right even though Ninjaro wasn’t put in. I didn’t think that the person who I guessed on a whim was gonna be the closest to getting into Smash if Min Min was passed up, but here we are
It's pretty hilarious that Slippy sucked so much that he got the entire Star Fox crew canned aside from the captain
Lucina's Thögn bow (as well as her lance Geirskögul) isn't from Awakening. It was a unique weapon made for her in Fire Emblem Heroes.
Yep :)
Sonic with his Classic Design would have made sense since so many third-parties would end up using their oldest designs in Smash such as Mega Man and Simon.
No it wouldn't as the Classic Sonic is a character by itself
@@CinnamonOwO Not in 2009 since he was just the old design for Sonic
@@CinnamonOwO not back then
What about bayonetta? her first game design appears but her main design is her second game
Also i think it would make sense to have classic sonic as an alternative custome
@@MaorKoren6405 Classic Sonic has different proportions from Modern Sonic. Also, with Bayonetta, it's basically the same general design but with a different hairstyle and outfit, so if anything she's closer to Ike in terms of how their outfits work.
Too bad Krystal was rejected three times
I have no problem with Falco and Wolf, but an unique rep for Star Fox would be a good addition.
I do have to wonder of Nintendo of Japan would've continued using Krystal in the main games if she had a Smash presence, too.
We need slippy
@@turtleanton6539 No. 👎
i’ve always thought blastoise would be a great echo of bowser
I see it, but they're in different series, so probably not.
@@blunderbass851 I know this doesn't count as an echo but Ganondorf was a Captain Falcon clone even though they belong to different franchises
Yo that’d actually be a cool idea though
And then Turtonator can be a Blastoise echo so we can have 3 giant turtles fighting.
@@somegenericguy2909 and he has his own moveset?
I'd have loved Alph being separate, or at least having every Olimar alt slot replaced with another character; Olimar, Louie, President, Alph, Brittany, Charlie, and then, maybe, obscurer characters like Olimars kids or his wife and the president's wife, just because it would be funny.
If Alph were separate, he would be an echo. That's probably obvious, but I didn't mention it before, so I'm saying it now.
The real question is why we don't have Brittany, Charlie, and Louie already
2:02 "Sora or some other *crazy* character"
Nah Min min was a great choice, the problem is that really whatever arms character they chose would've had the same isuue cause they're all zoners
I love Falco but I would love to have seen Peppy and Slippy
Typically, in Smash, the special moves vaguely align with their directional inputs. A side b normally has a hit box to the side, an up b typically goes up, and so on. I think that's why Peach's moves got swapped. It seems way more intuitive to me for Peach to pluck turnips up from the ground with her down b. I figure the devs thought the same, and did it to make it more intuitive for newer players.
Rex is my favorite video game character but I like Pyra/Mythra a lot
Peach turnip set the precedent for future moves like snake C4, villager tree, Isabel Lloyd where specials go in the direction they press
I believe the reason to why turnips are down b and counter is neutral is because you need to be on the ground to use turnips and restricting a neutral b to the ground is very hindering, also the move looks more like a downward input
Highly doubt Angelo would’ve been included as a full-on character alt. They probably just made Eleven’s alt that color because they both have generally longer hair.
He doesn't appear to have a shield, which is necessary for Hero.
I'm kind of glad Ninjara didn't get in. He was omega annoying and he was top 3 competitively. But that came down to ARMS that were not his default so I dunno about that now and days.
Iirc, Didn’t sakurai specifically say he chose min min because arm’s director wanted her, as she is his favorite? I’m pretty sure he said he liked ninjarl but the director asked for her and sakurai obliged, I don’t remember hearing anything about her offering more potential. Also any armd character would have been unpopular as they’d likely all have this same base kit
He was already down on either Ninjara or Min Min, and Mr. Yabuki's request made him finally decide on the later.
Peach main here. I think the vegetable move being set to down-b comes down to the logistics of the animations. Simply put, Peach crouches down to pluck the turnips in the animations. Since Peach is a character I think newer players would gravitate towards (Mario franchise and all), it makes her unique gimmicks a bit easier to read and learn.
Honestly I prefer Zelda and Sheik switching characters whenever they're on the battlefield, bcuz when I saw Charizard being intergrated back into the Pokemon Trainer, I immeadiately thought: "Oh, so Zelda and Sheik can swap each other again, and the same goes to Zero Suit Samus". But then, the website happens, and Zelda and Sheik, along with Zero Suit Samus, are back to being seperate characters again. I can understand why they were seperate characters in Smash Bros for Wii U & 3DS, due to hardware limitations, but Ultimate was released for the Nintendo Switch, a console/handheld that has more horse power then the Wii U & 3DS.
Damm the thumbnail is high key clickbait
The Slippy model is from Smash Remix, a smash 64 mod
New video idea: What if every fighter gets a cutscene Final Smash
(7:35) Aren't reflectors down specials too, except Zelda?
8:45 “What would be the point of adding Perry without more Super Princess Peach content?”
What’s the point of adding Cappy to Mario without more Super Mario Odyssey content?
I didn’t know there were multiple times I could’ve been different from Marth?!! I also have one if not the most inaccurate personality in smash! Though Sakurai stated that he gave all the Fire Emblem characters “simplified” personalities in smash, not sure why, it doesn’t have much of a reason for my personality to be inaccurate but it’s info I guess
2:01 no dude. That's a shout out to Terry of Dragon Quest 6.
The official Brawl Prima Guide also says that Kirby can charge his hammer in Brawl, which is weird
Hey, can you do a series where you give everyone a new victory pose (N64-SSBU)
You know, what's funny about the possibility of final smashes in the first game is that _every_ Smash 64 fighter would've had the same final smash as they eventually got in Brawl...except Donkey Kong.
Seriously, think about it. All the other characters use final smashes that are either made-up or based on something the characters have done since almost their inception. Donkey Kong is the only exception because banging on bongos didn't become his thing until the GameCube era.
Kinda weird to think about now. Some of those characters would eventually receive newer final smashes that referenced newer material, whilst Donkey Kong would go backwards and receive a new final smash that doesn't really reference anything in particular and could've easily been in Smash 64.
5:26 Once again Blastoise is proven to be the most underrated and underappreciated starter of Kanto.
Yes
I thought that spot went to the Venasaur line?
@@vjoe5389 No, because I hear people talk about Bulbasaur being their favorite, or Venusaur's utility, or that line's versatility more than I ever hear talk of the Squirtle line for anything, unless it's how much people dislike Wartortle (sorry Pablo). Then there's things like this, Blastoise being snubbed in Unite so far, and various other examples of Nintendo in general preferring the other two over him. Charizard is the overrated fan favorite they're obligated to include, while Bulbasaur is their first and favorite kid that they prefer to have around. The Squirtle line honestly suffers from middle kid syndrome the most imo.
@@edwardnygma8533 I guess that makes sense in the context of Nintendo and Gamefreaks favorite between the 3 starters, but when it comes to the fans I usually see more love for Blastoise than Venusaur.
@@vjoe5389 That part probably comes down to personal experience, making me differ, but yeah for most things I've seen if Nintendo has to snub one of the three, it's Blastoise.
I’m pretty sure that Byleth was intended to be Hunter from Monster Hunter. The move set makes sense as it is like many of hunter weapons. Moreover, Ratholos is the only boss in world of light that doesn’t have the protagonist of their game in smash.
I think peppy and slippy were both issues with ground combat because peppy is old and less agile while slippy is… slippy. It’d be neat to see them in at some point, maybe with a weapon-centered kit, but fox and falco were really the only ones that fit the bill.
They're also all different sizes to Fox, including Falco.
What if the smash bros series started today? Who would be the starting roster?
It would be interesting to see how the Forbidden 7 would have looked in Brawl
I wanna see Toon Sheik especially since source gaming saids it wasn’t Tetra because if it was was the files would’ve been called Tetra so she probably would’ve our first smash original fighter.
someone crazy like Sora- wait a minute..
That was from Polaris amiibos fighters
People have theorized that Byleth was a originally going to be a Monster Hunter, due to the weapon switching and whatnot. They say negotiations with Capcom must have fallen through resulting in Byleth being developed from the hunter’s concept moveset.
Quite unfortunate and man did it make FE fans more toxic than ever. The Vibe that Byleth's Trailer gave off was the impression that Byleth was Entitled to join Smash Bros no matter what, and it was absurd he wasn't already in. And you can tell with the way Sothis yammers on about it while Byleth doesn’t even look like he wants to be in Smash Bros, Nevertheless I always cringe at the Trailer.
You forgot 1 fact. 8 player smash was originally intended for Melee.
God imagine 8 fox players
@@zzskyninjazz1821 No the top 8 characters in the game.
20:00 Well. About that...
*Hot Take* - There is no reason the whole Team Star Fox shouldn't be here. If Fire Emblem gets to have Marth, Lucina, Roy, and Chrom, there's no reason we shouldn't have Fox, Falco, Peppy and Slippy all as echoes or semiclones of each other. It'd make perfect sense given that the whole team uses the same weaponry, and having all 4 of those iconic personalities would help make the roster feel complete. You could even throw in Leon with Wolf for total of 6 Reps or Krystal to make it 7.
**Inb4 too many Spacie Animals**
Star Fox is pretty much dead while Fire Emblem is still getting new games that sells well, so i think Fox, Falco and Wolf are well enough.
20:59 Honestly, I don't think Ninjara or any other ARMS character would've tuned out much better.
Honestly I think an Arms rep could’ve been cool, Min Min just has a boring moveset sadly
@@IcyDiamond Yeah, I'm just saying that Min Min being chosen isn't the reason the ARMS fighter tuned out bad. If another AMRS character was chosen I feel they'd probably have a lot of the same problems as Min Min.
@@dreamlanderjoel8162 Yeah fair, honestly I don’t think the idea of an Arms character was bad, it was just executed badly, because of you take out Min Min from Pass 2, they are all some fantastic characters!
Calling Arms a series is an offense to other Series with more than one game, some people do it.
I mean the whole ARMS thing is that everyone has long arms so I´d be similar
20:01 well….
The actual biggest and different change was Smash 4 (my opinion)
What
@@theshanaman7805 well maybe not the worst just kinda ruined the competitive scene
@@greatobikili4858 oh ok i didn’t know what you meant
@@theshanaman7805 yeah sorry for not being clear
@@greatobikili4858 it’s fine
Personally, I didn't like that Zelda and Sheik were separated. I am willing to accept how unpopular my opinion is, but I don't agree with Sheik being a completely separate character. Really, I don't like her being in Smash Bros at all, as she is representing significantly less of the Zelda franchise compared to the other five, but I was willing to tolerate her as part of Zelda's gimmick of swapping between a princess and a ninja. It was a bit weird keeping that around when Zelda was updated to her Twilight Princess model, but apparently Sheik was planned to be part of that game but was scrapped, so it's not like it's completely baseless. However, then they became separate characters entirely, and once this happened, in my eyes Sheik completely fell apart. On her own, Sheik doesn't feel like she's representing a Zelda character so much as the generic ninja archetype, since basically her entire kit is original Smash Bros. moves, and this is made almost entirely redundant because the very same direct that announced Sheik as a separate character was the direct that Greninja was revealed, as in a character that fits the ninja archetype that is making a serious attempt at representing their home series. What's worse is that in some ways it feels like Smash 4 treated Sheik as more important than Zelda because of this, which absolutely should not be the case. Thankfully this paradigm shifted in Ultimate, and Zelda felt like the dominant character again, but this just pushed Sheik into the background of all the better characters in the game. At this point, Sheik feels more like a Smash original character than a Zelda character, though she's not the only character I feel this way about, and considering that she's part of the Zelda universe, a universe populated with three different sizes of the same character and a villain that's still copying a different kind of character from a different universe, this makes Zelda representation in Smash Bros feel that bit more frustrating. Is her inclusion a mistake? No; she's representing arguably her series' most important title, and her origins as a part of Zelda's kit does at least loosely justify her presence in the game, and while her playstyle doesn't match mine, I know there are plenty of people happy to play as her. And I will give her this: her new Final Smash is visually one of the coolest in the game.
No mention of Diddy's original moveset that was going to include Dixie in Brawl 🤔
here's a fact in the how to play video in smash ultimate it shows Mario having his old up tilt from smash 4
yeah imagine SORA getting reveled
I’m sorry, but the part about Sonic doesn’t seem to be accurate. I read that interview and it said he was choosing which Sonic to go with and he went with the Classic in terms of gameplay. He said if he focused on more recent games it would be a different Sonic. You can’t focus on a wiki for information because they are easily editable. You need to read the direct source
What if the Octolings can get in smash ultimate with the inklings as an echo fighter I think 🤔 we are going to get a echo fighter pass because I have vision to the future
They are canonically similar but wouldn't a semi/pusedo clone sound better then an echo? If she did get in as an echo too then that means our only hope for another splat rep is gone.
I don't think an echo fighter pass would make since, and Sakurai said he's "done" with Smash Ultimate once Fighters Pass 2 is finished
Maybe a Octoling echo could be the bonus fighter
It would be cool if they released 3 more echoes after fighter pass 2, that way the roster would be a perfect square. Or you could stack echoes or delete all your miis
I was very curious about the info on sonic and am looking through the wiki you cited in the description, but I can't find any info about it?
Even if they used Sonic's classic design (which would indeed have been the wrong move), it sounds like his moveset would've still been the same.
The only big issue with Sonic's moveset is that his Side Special is too similar to his Down Special, anyway. Otherwise, his moveset is just fine. In fact, it was rather creative of them to reference "Sonic the Fighters" for many of his attacks.
Some other moves are a bit lame, relying a bit too much on the ball aspect of Sonic or just being basic. I feel like more moves from his games (particularly Sonic Battle) could've been referenced.
Also I'm surprised Tails isn't part of his moveset at all.
Didn't Smash 64 release in 1999? I think you messed up in that thumbnail.
I used 1996 because that's when Smash 64 began development which is when the Star Fox alts would've been in consideration
His back
I like Krystal being included as an Assist Trophy.
Same.
I would've loved to see Pokemon Trainer being Charmander, Ivy, and Balstoise, and then Charizard being his own character. I also would've loved to have Zidane rather than Cloud, but thats just because FF9 is my favorite of the series.
Wonder how they'd have implemented steal as a mechanic since using an RPG thief without having something representing that archetype's focus on getting additional item drops via stealing seems like a waste.
(Vivi would have been my first choice of Final Fantasy rep, but... Ah well)
@@Stephen-Fox I'd imagine steal could've acted a lot like The Villager/Isabelle, though people way smarter than me could probably come up with something better. Vivi would've been absolutely welcome to me, too.
I just checked out Zidane on Google Images and...does he have sleeve cuffs without actual sleeves? What the hell is up with Square Enix designs...
Actually it wasn’t a choice between ninjara and min min.
The arms dev wanted min min, so sakurai chose min min. The part about ninjara was more that if it was up to sakurai himself, he would’ve chosen ninjara (basically sakurai would’ve chosen his favourite character from the game)
another banger as always
Thogn originated from Fire Emblem Heroes, not Awakening.
21:10 Thogn is not from FE13, AKA Fire Emblem Awakening. It is uniquely a Heroes creation.
19:17 Really? Because I thought Heihachi wasn’t added into Ultimate because he was in PlayStation All-Stars.
Nope. It's because of the devil gene being seen as more interesting.
I am still rooting for Rillaboom to join smash ultimate dlc to replace Decidueye just like when min min replace spring man and pyra/mythra replacing Rex. With Rillaboom we can finally have a fully evolved Grass type Starter playable in smash ultimate.
i do agree we need some leafs i personally think decidueye would still make the most sense since not only would it be the first fully evolved grass type and ghost he’d in theory have a unique moveset since he’s a bow fighter first unlike the links and rillaboom would make sense cinderace is far more popular with fans unlike decidueye who is actually the most popular starter based on many polls of pokémon youtubers where he barely beat out greninja by only a .1%
Rowlet will be one of the starters in Pokemon legends arceus so Decidueye could still happen
@@biza8161 pokemon legends come out in January 2022 and the final dlc fighter comes out this year in 2021.
I'd prefer Cinderace, personally, it's my favorite Fire Starter. It's also the most popular of the Galar Starters, gets a lot more promotion as well, and it would have much better potential for a moveset. Before you say we have two Fire Starters already, Charizard and Incineroar are both heavyweights, while Cinderace would be lighter and faster than both of them. I doubt they'd care about type representation, considering all the sword fighters we have.
@Dark Stuff it’s going to happened any ways because Rillaboom is unique character that can use grass type moves such as drum beating and make sounds base moves. I hear that Rillaboom was one the most used Pokémon and a popular one for competitive along with Incinaroar and Greninja.
16:36
I kept telling people that it could work only on the 3DS. Have Popo be playable alone with Nana as an alt., just give them a buff and the condor as their new up special, and make them a pair again in the Wii U version. That would be a workaround I can get behind.
That wouldn't be a workaround because every fighter needs to be the same across both platforms.
while I can understand why, and while I'm so glad that Cloud made it to Smash, Fusoya from IV?!, Bartz from V?!, Terra from VI?! Now I really wish Bartz and Terra as well as Fusoya make it to Smash. Heck you might as well include all the Final Fantasy Protagonists and Antagonists from I-XV, and maybe XVI. Or you could include 4 Main Protagonists and 4 Main Antagonists for the Final Fantasy Characters and include the rest in the form of a Final Smash for both Protagonists and Antagonists like how the Hero from Dragon Quest was included and represented.
Cloud has been, as of this day, the most difficult character to obtain the rights for in smash bros history,. and the whole "everyone is here" propaganda for ultimate almost didnt happen thanks to Square,. by contrast, Snake was a lot more easy to get the rights back. Imagine trying to get the rights of 8 Final Fantasy main characters at once. .
correction, 4 Main Final Fantasy Characters, and 4 Main Final Fantasy Villains. wait a sec, you said that Snake was pretty easy to return in Smash Bros Ultimate... How was Snake easy to return in Ultimate?
@@egateqa1351 Sakurai himself said in when he was talking about the challenges of making Ultimate, he said that Cloud was the most difficult character to bring back, and that by comparison snake was a lot easier, and konami in general was cooperative during development, judging by all the castlevania content we got in the base game.
@@ayar2 ok, that does seem fair. Still though, I would've like to see Fusoya, Bartz and Terra. I mean (I know this sounds like deja vu), you could've had a oppurtunity to have all the Final Fantasy Protagonists and Antagonists, or 4 Protagonists and 4 Antagonists and have the other Protagonists and Antagonists from the Final Fantasy Series being apart of their Final Smash, similar to what Sakurai did to the Hero from the Dragon Quest games. Like, Bartz, Terra, Cloud, and maybe Fusoya could represent the Warriors of Light while Gilgamesh, Kefka, Sephiroth, and maybe Golbez could represent the Warriors of Chaos.
You should make movesets for all the rejected/changed characters
Rex could still work although probably just similar to Pokemon Trainer where hes just standing at the background cheering on Pyra/Mythra
I would imagine it would be the reverse of that. The aegises on the back, maybe even with some other blades (generic common blade and Roc o something), not just cheering, but applying buffs to Rex just like in Xenoblade 2.
Big disagreement on Min Min. She won the ARMS tournament to determine the fan favorite character, and if they wanted to use another character they would've had a very similar moveset but with different ARMS weapons equipped. Picking Ninjara would have changed nothing about what people dislike while simultaneously irritating the game's fan base by passing over the most popular choice.
Basically, Springman would be Min Min with a comeback mechanic, Ribbon Girl would be Min Min with multi jumps, Ninjara would've been Min Min with teleport.
Besides that, she's really fun to play if you're aggressive. But you know the old saying: play lame, win games
When I see your user name, I think
"Estuans interiius
Ira vehemenii
SEPHIIROTH"
Like if nintendo made it and had it with the mii branding.
I want new sonic characters
@Javier_;) true
I’ve already lost hope for another one, Sonic deserved another Rep before Castlevania, Street Fighter and Final Fantasy. At this point I want Sega to make their own Smash Clone like Nickelodeon is doing, we’d get way more Sonic characters plus cool additions like Ristar, Sketch Turner, Axel, Blaze, Altered Beast, Alex Kidd, Vectorman, NiGHTS, AiAi, Beat, Kiryu, Akira and many more Sega All Stars.
@@brandonwilliams6119
Yeah, honestly, I think Nintendo should just cool it with third-party characters in Smash, and just give those other publishers permission to make their own official Smash Bros. games.
@@Dan_-
Thank you for giving me your thoughts on that idea I brought up. I just feel burned out of Nintendo Smash. I even want Sony to try again with PlayStation All Stars Battle Royale.
Another point for why Pyra was opted as opposed to Rex and Pyra is that, and minor spoilers for the beginning of the game, Pyra and Rex's lives are linked when she used part of her core crystal to keep him alive after being stabbed thorugh the chest by Jin. Aside from how difficult it'd be to include the switch mechanic in a Ice Climbers style character there's also the logistical reasoning that if Pyra/Mythra died what happens to Rex? Nana and Popo don't have that kind of problem.
Wouldn't it work the same as the Ice Climbers?
If one got KOed, the other would despawn and respawn in a repsawn platform.
@@PikminAnd Ice Climbers don't work like that at all. If Nana dies she's dead until Popo dies too, then they both respawn
@@Girkirbythesecond Oh, yeah that's true.
In that case, Rex and Pyra/Mythra may have been a duo character, but I don't think they would've functioned identically to how Ice Climbers work.
Obviously I don't share a mind with Sakurai, but if I were to make a guess as to how they might have worked, I'm assuming one of them was in front fighting and the other in the back for support - similar to the Driver/Blade mechanic in XC2. Perhaps even with some ability to switch between which one is in front (which is probably where they got a full moveset for Pyra/Mythra).
But iirc, having both Rex and Pyra/Mythra was causing performance issues, especially in 8-Player Smash. So they scrapped that idea and went with just Pyra and Mythra instead.
11:21 A Miiverse. The go-to place to get Screenshots of newly released Wii U Games and their nice water.
12:57 Lucina probably cheated to "meet the clock". She has timetraveled before. 😜
13:36 At this point I think "Pikmin 4" was "Hey Pikmin!". And don't come at me with "But Miyamoto said..." Miyamoto has been caught lying before. Just research the whole rabbit hole around "Super Mario 128"...
20:13 I actually was in "Team Twintelle" as I thought that would make it easier to include items for her to use, given her ARMS aren't her arms at all.
21:31 That's inaccurate. Lucina doesn't has Bow Access (without reclassing, which is a very wide barrel that we won't open) in Awakening. What she does have is Lance Access. Just as her Father due to the Class Great Lord. There is little reason to play Lances on either of them though. Secondary Weapons haven't been much of a consideration in Smash anyway though. Imagine Ike using Urvan (Greil's gargantuan Axe) for Smash Attacks or Airials for extra range. Alas that doesn't happen.
About PK Starstorm for Ness and Blue Falcon for Captain Falcon being scrapped Final Smashes being surprisingly used almost a decade later. Their series have been languishing in dormancy for longer than a decade by now...
20:00 well that aged like milk.
I feel like with the blasters one maybe we'd get charmander not charizard but they had squirtle and charizard swap so charmanders line is the final evo of the group as he's more favored throughout the series and us a fan favorite
Siiroth peach gameplay hurts me it’s just throwing the turnip and then dash attack
That was a SMOOTH transition 19:16
Do you have any sources about the whole Star Fox costumes thing?
I included a resource from the Smash Wiki in the description and I believe they got the information from a Source Gaming Sakurai interview translation
One thing you forgot: In Pikachu’s Ultimate trailer it shows Game and Watch charging forward smash, but he uses a different sprite, implying he wasn’t going to use his new sprites until late in development.
They should do this for some future entries of smash bro’s but I think ultimate is going to be the last game
At the very least, it's Sakurai's last Smash game.
If they do make a sixth game we have to allow them to take their time and add these cut thing
I mean yea not a lot of people like min min, but honestly that's more because of arms than min min. any arms rep would have the rediculous range and similar play style that we don't like
Why didn't they make Olimars alt Louie I mean they could've easily made Alph an echo fighter with like an alt of Brittany??? Is that her name but it would have made much more sense ik they wanted to promote Pikmin 3 buuuut yeah
Isn't it funny that he said sora
This make me think these characters (ecxept rex and ninjara and the 4 unused heroes.) has a chance for cp11
Peach’s counter is probably so Kirby would have one.
Why does no one remember that peach used to hit people with a frying pan
I really thought Alph was going to get his own spot in the roster as an echo in Ultimate. Would have been nice if Olimar got Louie and the President skins and Alph got Brittany and Charlie skins. That would have been complete representation for the series and nobody would have complained about it
The Chrom Crowd was probably louder than the Alph Crowd.
Them as skins for Alph is a bad idea...
Charlie as a skin is way too big, those hit and hurtboxes over Alph would not work
@@thebluePumpking I think they could make it _just_ fit with Brittany at least, which is fine because I like her more than Charlie anyway.
You guys know how in ultimate Pokémon trainer looks like the other game protagonists. What if for the different trainers there are different starters
I'm like the only one who doesn't want Heihachi in smash, and it's the same reason I hypocritically didn't want Steve. IMO SSB, PSASBR, or a potential X-Box counterpart fighters should be exclusive to those games.
No.
Music at 0:00
Hmm, for Final Smashes in Smash 64, aside from Ness and Captain Falcon, the ones for Mario, Link (Triforce Slash), and Kirby (Cook Kirby) would probably be similar to the ones they had in Brawl. Possibly Samus and Fox, as well, except they wouldn't have incorporated Zero Suit Samus, and the Landmaster would probably need to be cinematic rather than fully playable. I don't know where Negative Zone (Luigi), Dragon Yoshi, and Puff Up (Jigglypuff) came from in the first place, so who knows if those wacky ideas would've still been used back then.
The ones for Donkey Kong and Pikachu would need to be different, as the DK Bongo games didn't exist yet, not did the Volt Tackle move. Pikachu would be especially tricky, as its most powerful attack back then (Thunder) is already incorporated in its standard moveset, so they'd probably have to come up with some sort of combo like dashing around and striking with Agility and Quick Attack before grabbing the character for a close range Thunder.
In the SNES game Super Mario World (its debut game) Yoshi gets different powers if it's holding a Koopa Shell in its mouth with 2 of those powers being Fireball Breath from Red Shells and Winged Flight from Blue shells.
According to the Pokedex Jigglypuff is classified as the "Balloon Pokémon" and due to this classification a recurring Jigglypuff in the Anime would puff up a little when upset.
Not sure about Luigi's. If it's a reference to something then I'm unaware.
I just looked it up and I'll copy-paste the Origin section of the Smash Wiki's page for Brawl Luigi's Final Smash "Negative Zone":
"The move is unique to Super Smash Bros. Brawl. However, the name may be a reference to Luigi always being in his brother's shadow (as mentioned in the move's trophy description), Luigi being originally just a palette swap of Mario's color scheme, the inverted overworld in Super Mario Bros. 2, or every color viewed through the bubble being changed into its negative color."
Edit: Whoops, just realized this video and more specifically your comment was posted 2 months ago. Oh well, I've already posted my reply.
Don’t think falco is not a echo character he has different moves but he’s has the same special attacks
Just commenting for the algorithm
Where can I find the trailers for Fox and DK ?
Wait did Slippy get added to Smash Remix?