Great to see that comparison Dave, i had the scarp 1 years ago but the build Quailty was iffy, the vern wins hands down on that front for me. My only niggle with the vern is the low door height, not too bad when im in though, i suspect the low long shape will become increasingly useful in winter weather. Look forward to seeing yhe back to back switchover with Josh. Even with the new TNT fabric on the Scarp i think id still buy the Vern for peace of mind in heavy weather.
Thanks, A. I felt the height was OK for me but have yet to have a night, of course. I agree and bow down to your experience on this on how the tent will perform. The 20D outer gives me slight cause for concern, though it felt at least as thick as the Scarp material. Thanks for commenting Andrew and I hope I added something beyond your first impressions, which was thorough as always. 😊
Sadly it looks like it's exactly the same design, just a stronger fabric, no collapsible struts like the Dipole either. £100 more for 100g less, I do prefer the looks of it and the pole sleeve would be more rigid, but definitely not worth a sidegrade
Hi Dave loving this comparison seriously well done and congrats on securing another tent from Nortent... Hey I love the two door option on the vern 1 especially with the twin door tie backs...That is a big selling point for this tent.. Great review and best wishes Tom
Thanks Tom, I have always wanted a tent that you can open up like that to let the outdoors in, but they were often too heavy, so delighted with this one. I wonder how the Vern would cope on Lukes mountain? Pretty well, I imagine if you get that prow into wind.Thanks for commenting Tom
Well, the tent is not bad. Now we have to test it in extreme conditions. Take the tent where there is a blizzard with snow above 3000 meters and then I will tell you which one is king. I would like to see if there are water leaks through the seams or if they are already sealed at the factory. What resistance and retardation does the material have against fire, what resistance does the tent have against strong winds, how many kilograms of resistance do the poles have. Not to talk about condensation because absolutely all of them condense in humid climates. I have tried countless tents and high-end brands and there are two brands that I use the most, both in hiking, climbing and I am talking about above 5000 meters. I would love to see extreme tests. The price is cheap but not all that glitters is gold. Greetings
Hi cottonsky, interesting comment. This model is now superseded by the new vern 1. Check out my tests on it. Not above 3000m, but you don't always have to go so high to get harsh conditions. Tell me where you have been testing tents and yourself. Sounds interesting!
Nice test as always, very thorough, But why can’t people ( yourself included) who test tents get a big mat say 197x 65 x 7 and measure height and width at each end with a tap measure, as being 6’3” accurate measurements are vital, Otherwise the test is among the best, Keep em coming Cheers
Thanks Dude. I have got a big mat, but I try and use one that represents what most people have and use. Not just giants! Thanks for the positive. Next time! In fact might do it just for you. You will note that my beefy 6'2" son will be testing it soon.
@@Fellmandave1 great if you did, prove you are as nice as you come across !!!! I am looking for a strong winter wind proof tent as I camp on the Cheviots up here and my do we have the wind lol
@@Fellmandave1 I must admit I'm not as hardcore as yourself these days regarding my camping trips Dave & I love the look of that Vern 1 tent & I'm going to purchase one,it'll be overkill for me I'd say but still.. thanks for all your informative vids plus all the excellent entertainment you provide here on TH-cam,one of the very best channels on here,I & thousands of other's appreciate everything you do,top man.
Some good things with the vern but personally I think I'd go with the Terra Nova laser compact as 2.more room and with the deals going about just about the same price.
The Vern 1 really is just a copy of the Moment DW from Tarptent so a comparison between the two would be more enlightening to me personally. But I am not really a fan of the crossing poles on either design, nor on my own Tarptent Hogback as it’s just too much effort and weight for no great benefit. The tents are great with out the extra poles either way, so that’s how I usually use mine. The Trekkertent SAOR is next on my list if I sell off some of the 1 and 2 man tents I own .. everyone here in Norway seem to love the Unna, just not the weight. The SAOR solves that.
@@Fellmandave1 I see the poles as an increased risk factor in high wind. Good for constant heavy rain or snow, but the tension that a big wind gust can put on such a small point on a big fabric panel worries me. The tent in its regular form will handle winds just fine with out the poles, just a bit more flappy like. If the extra poles attached on a seam I’d be more confident.
The Vern 1 looks really interesting, I am sure it doesn’t hurt that it hails from my own home town. But at 6’3 / 190 cm, with large feet (uk 14) I am not sure if it is large enough for a comfortable fit. Especially since I use a 10cm thick sleeping pad. If you have any input, I would love to hear it. The same goes for the Vern 2 as well. If I remember correctly, you did mention something about that in your vern 2 comparison video.
I have used Nortent Vern 1 this summer, I think a person over 220 cm could use it, it is VERY large. Far longer than any other 1 person tent I have tested
I decided against Nortent and I'm looking at the Fjällräven Keb Dome 2 instead. I just can't justify paying out premium prices and receiving a tent that is not ready to use immediately, it really rubs my fur the wrong way. If it needs working on to use it, then its not fit for purpose. Plus if there are any problems with rain ingress or build integrity then surely they are going to claim its your sealing, or the fact that you have altered or modded it in anyway voids the warranty !
Very different tents tge keb and the vern. I used to be upset about having to seam seal but now I like having the option to do it for longevity. Your statement about the warranty is just wild guessing. Have a look at the book of tents from Nortent.
@@Fellmandave1 Yes, totally different because I was going originally for a dome,when I spotted the Vern 1 I just really liked the look of it. As for wild guessing, I thought you would a bit more aware of how warranties work..Its not opinion its a fact that if you alter or interfere with the integrity of most products you void the warranty..
@@Chris66able no i dont mean that you should ignore the adivice. Just saying that the Vern 1 and 2 proabably will be waterproof even without seamsealing due to the tread, teqnique and fabric. But i still recommend following the adivice from Nortent. But i cannot ignore that our own Vern 1 and 2 is completly waterproof even without seamsealing. But still as always there is not waterproofing at the seams. So in teori it needs waterproofing with seamsealing
@Chris66able I would not think for a minute that seam sealing according to the manufacturers' advice would. Void the warranty. I will get clarification from Nortent.
Hi mate, where did you get the bag for your Scarp? I damaged my tent in Scotland so I need use the supplied bag’s material to repair it. Thanks for the vids BTW. I bought the scrap last year after one of your vids…. (And the vango footprint too…. I think that was you )
Many thanks for your support! But the smallest one I'm talking about is the ZERO PUMP that we'll be launching in September, it's only the size of a lipstick and weighs less than an egg (only 1.2oz!), but it can inflate your air mattress in 50-60s more silently! @@Fellmandave1
Watched a few test of this tent, it 'seams' it might be OK without seam sealing as their processes seem the same as Hilleberge? Lot of seems, seams in that statement. More so that I've ordered one, gulp. Don't let this misses know? 😅
Looks to me like a copy of the Hilleberg Enan. As an owner of a Hilleberg Enan and a Scarp 2 I think I’ve got the only 2 tents you will ever need. Scarp for comfort, winter, dog, and space. Enan for weight, tight spot pitching, and single person use. 👌🏻
Hi John, like many tents, I would say it is an evolution of tents like the Enan. if it was a copy it would be the same, but they have made several innovations. I am pleased for you though that you have found conTENTment with your choices. Thanks for adding to the debate and ATB.
Had a 1 person mountain hardware for 30 years excellent tent.had to upgrade to a two person tent,as I now go out with my big muckle black Labrador Yelo.he done a couple of pirouettes in the mountain hardware and plonked himself down leaving me squashed up against the side of the tent 😂.got a Vern 2 - 25% off in the Black Friday sales and I’m delighted with it.plenty of room now for both me and the dog 🐕🦺 WOOF! 😂.👍
Did you seam seal your Nortent Vern tents on the outside or the inside of the tent? Nortent suggest inside but others (eg Valley & Peak) say always the outside to stop any moisture penetrating the stitching
It's an interesting debate that seems to have divided opinions. The Vern 2 I did on both sides. I did a video on it. Everything else from Nortent, including the Lavvo I did on the inside, more for cosmetics than anything. All worked so far. I don't think the stiching getting wet is an issue as it is designed to expand and seal the holes. What's your thoughts?
@@Fellmandave1 Cosmetically, inside would be preferable for me. It's really hard to know about the waterproofing effect without putting it to the test. Hmmm
Nortent tents are now available direct in the UK at: valleyandpeak.co.uk/collections/nortent
I wonder if 20d fly is adequate for really harsh conditions and snow..?
The Vern 1 PolyCotton is coming soon. No inner tent in that so much more spacious. Heavier but it might be something to look at. Thanks for sharing.
You're welcome. Yes should be a really interesting tent.
Vern 1 vs Tarptent Moment would be an interesting comparison
Not got one of those but moment is smaller yes?
@@Fellmandave1 yes, it has the single pole end more like the Vern :)
Great to see that comparison Dave, i had the scarp 1 years ago but the build Quailty was iffy, the vern wins hands down on that front for me. My only niggle with the vern is the low door height, not too bad when im in though, i suspect the low long shape will become increasingly useful in winter weather. Look forward to seeing yhe back to back switchover with Josh. Even with the new TNT fabric on the Scarp i think id still buy the Vern for peace of mind in heavy weather.
Thanks, A. I felt the height was OK for me but have yet to have a night, of course. I agree and bow down to your experience on this on how the tent will perform. The 20D outer gives me slight cause for concern, though it felt at least as thick as the Scarp material. Thanks for commenting Andrew and I hope I added something beyond your first impressions, which was thorough as always. 😊
Hi , try barents snota 1 or helsport ringstind 1-2! They Are great Norwegian tents😊
Thanks, never heard of the Snota.
Barents is the old helsport family new Brand . Helsport sold out to brava ( swiss company) but then they started a new Norwegian company - Barents😊
But theirs a new scarp 1 coming out in September made out of x pac
Ooo juicy. Sounds expensive. Let's hope the build quality goes up a notch or two.
Sadly it looks like it's exactly the same design, just a stronger fabric, no collapsible struts like the Dipole either. £100 more for 100g less, I do prefer the looks of it and the pole sleeve would be more rigid, but definitely not worth a sidegrade
Love the look of some of Nortents offerings but unfortunately way out of my price range . Nice comparison video thanks for taking the time 🖖
Hi Dave loving this comparison seriously well done and congrats on securing another tent from Nortent... Hey I love the two door option on the vern 1 especially with the twin door tie backs...That is a big selling point for this tent.. Great review and best wishes Tom
Thanks Tom, I have always wanted a tent that you can open up like that to let the outdoors in, but they were often too heavy, so delighted with this one. I wonder how the Vern would cope on Lukes mountain? Pretty well, I imagine if you get that prow into wind.Thanks for commenting Tom
Well, the tent is not bad.
Now we have to test it in extreme conditions.
Take the tent where there is a blizzard with snow above 3000 meters and then I will tell you which one is king.
I would like to see if there are water leaks through the seams or if they are already sealed at the factory.
What resistance and retardation does the material have against fire,
what resistance does the tent have against strong winds,
how many kilograms of resistance do the poles have.
Not to talk about condensation because absolutely all of them condense in humid climates.
I have tried countless tents and high-end brands and there are two brands that I use the most, both in hiking, climbing and I am talking about above 5000 meters.
I would love to see extreme tests.
The price is cheap but not all that glitters is gold.
Greetings
Hi cottonsky, interesting comment. This model is now superseded by the new vern 1. Check out my tests on it. Not above 3000m, but you don't always have to go so high to get harsh conditions. Tell me where you have been testing tents and yourself. Sounds interesting!
Needs seam sealed along with the scarp, two tents not fit for purpose imo
Well, you get to miss out then, I guess, on two great tents.
Nice test as always, very thorough,
But why can’t people ( yourself included) who test tents get a big mat say 197x 65 x 7 and measure height and width at each end with a tap measure, as being 6’3” accurate measurements are vital,
Otherwise the test is among the best,
Keep em coming
Cheers
Thanks Dude. I have got a big mat, but I try and use one that represents what most people have and use. Not just giants! Thanks for the positive. Next time! In fact might do it just for you. You will note that my beefy 6'2" son will be testing it soon.
@@Fellmandave1 great if you did, prove you are as nice as you come across !!!!
I am looking for a strong winter wind proof tent as I camp on the Cheviots up here and my do we have the wind lol
@northumberlandmountainhopper flattery will get you a special review. I just live in Whitley Bay. Why don't you come and have a look yourself.
@@Fellmandave1 will be watching
@@Fellmandave1 may well do one day
is mesh midge proof ?
Definitely
After seeing the Nortent failures on here recently im so glad i bought the Tarptent Scarp 1 instead ...its been absolutely superb in ALL weather's.
I have enjoyed mine too.
@@Fellmandave1 I must admit I'm not as hardcore as yourself these days regarding my camping trips Dave & I love the look of that Vern 1 tent & I'm going to purchase one,it'll be overkill for me I'd say but still.. thanks for all your informative vids plus all the excellent entertainment you provide here on TH-cam,one of the very best channels on here,I & thousands of other's appreciate everything you do,top man.
@@andym2869 Thanks Andy, thats really appreciated.
Some good things with the vern but personally I think I'd go with the Terra Nova laser compact as 2.more room and with the deals going about just about the same price.
I watch an awful lot of reviews and regularly see Terra Novas failing in bad weather.
seen this tent a few times Dave and its intriguing. Looking forward to seeing it in action. Good review TFS Steven
Hi Steven. Aye, this one could be, 'the one' !
This is not just a tent, this is a Nortent! 😂
Pulling that one on the new video out today, too cheesey?
@@Fellmandave1 Not at all..
The Vern 1 really is just a copy of the Moment DW from Tarptent so a comparison between the two would be more enlightening to me personally. But I am not really a fan of the crossing poles on either design, nor on my own Tarptent Hogback as it’s just too much effort and weight for no great benefit. The tents are great with out the extra poles either way, so that’s how I usually use mine. The Trekkertent SAOR is next on my list if I sell off some of the 1 and 2 man tents I own .. everyone here in Norway seem to love the Unna, just not the weight. The SAOR solves that.
Interesting perspective. But don't you feel when you have 50 mph banging the tent you were glad you put the X ing poles on!
@@Fellmandave1 I see the poles as an increased risk factor in high wind. Good for constant heavy rain or snow, but the tension that a big wind gust can put on such a small point on a big fabric panel worries me. The tent in its regular form will handle winds just fine with out the poles, just a bit more flappy like. If the extra poles attached on a seam I’d be more confident.
@ThePreparedNorseman it is on a seam. Plus, the idea is that it distributes stress.
@@Fellmandave1 not on the scrap is it?
@@ThePreparedNorseman no. But isoniazid the Vern. Bonus!
Really like the large vestibule on the Vern. One of the things I are not quite happy with on my Robens Starlight 2.
Good value too. Get one!
The Vern 1 looks really interesting, I am sure it doesn’t hurt that it hails from my own home town.
But at 6’3 / 190 cm, with large feet (uk 14) I am not sure if it is large enough for a comfortable fit. Especially since I use a 10cm thick sleeping pad.
If you have any input, I would love to hear it.
The same goes for the Vern 2 as well. If I remember correctly, you did mention something about that in your vern 2 comparison video.
I have used Nortent Vern 1 this summer, I think a person over 220 cm could use it, it is VERY large. Far longer than any other 1 person tent I have tested
The length is plenty, but the sitting height may be an issue but manageable. Why not give them a knock?
Thank you all. Appreciate the response
I decided against Nortent and I'm looking at the Fjällräven Keb Dome 2 instead. I just can't justify paying out premium prices and receiving a tent that is not ready to use immediately, it really rubs my fur the wrong way. If it needs working on to use it, then its not fit for purpose. Plus if there are any problems with rain ingress or build integrity then surely they are going to claim its your sealing, or the fact that you have altered or modded it in anyway voids the warranty !
Very different tents tge keb and the vern. I used to be upset about having to seam seal but now I like having the option to do it for longevity. Your statement about the warranty is just wild guessing. Have a look at the book of tents from Nortent.
@@friluftslivinorr So, ignore Nortent's advice about their own product then.
@@Fellmandave1 Yes, totally different because I was going originally for a dome,when I spotted the Vern 1 I just really liked the look of it. As for wild guessing, I thought you would a bit more aware of how warranties work..Its not opinion its a fact that if you alter or interfere with the integrity of most products you void the warranty..
@@Chris66able no i dont mean that you should ignore the adivice. Just saying that the Vern 1 and 2 proabably will be waterproof even without seamsealing due to the tread, teqnique and fabric. But i still recommend following the adivice from Nortent. But i cannot ignore that our own Vern 1 and 2 is completly waterproof even without seamsealing. But still as always there is not waterproofing at the seams. So in teori it needs waterproofing with seamsealing
@Chris66able I would not think for a minute that seam sealing according to the manufacturers' advice would. Void the warranty. I will get clarification from Nortent.
Looking forward to the head to head - no offense but I hope you get bad weather to put it to the test 😂
That will happen at some point. Thanks for commenting Nick.
Hi mate,
where did you get the bag for your Scarp? I damaged my tent in Scotland so I need use the supplied bag’s material to repair it. Thanks for the vids BTW. I bought the scrap last year after one of your vids…. (And the vango footprint too…. I think that was you )
Hi Ken, the bag is the original from Scarp. Thanks for commenting and watching. Cheers!
@@Fellmandave1 oh I see. I got mine last December and material is the same as the tent. Thanks anyway.
Hi Dave, this is Ruby from FLEXTAIL. May I ask would you like to test the world's smallest pump for your sleeping pads?
Ooh aye, with a light, I do like the look of them. So much that I have just ordered one!
Many thanks for your support! But the smallest one I'm talking about is the ZERO PUMP that we'll be launching in September, it's only the size of a lipstick and weighs less than an egg (only 1.2oz!), but it can inflate your air mattress in 50-60s more silently! @@Fellmandave1
@@rubyyu9724 that sounds great! Please email me at fellmandave@gmail.com
You say its 'field ready' but it needs seam sealing?
I think I said, more field ready, I accept the seam sealing gig now.
Watched a few test of this tent, it 'seams' it might be OK without seam sealing as their processes seem the same as Hilleberge? Lot of seems, seams in that statement. More so that I've ordered one, gulp. Don't let this misses know? 😅
Looks to me like a copy of the Hilleberg Enan.
As an owner of a Hilleberg Enan and a Scarp 2 I think I’ve got the only 2 tents you will ever need. Scarp for comfort, winter, dog, and space. Enan for weight, tight spot pitching, and single person use. 👌🏻
Hi John, like many tents, I would say it is an evolution of tents like the Enan. if it was a copy it would be the same, but they have made several innovations. I am pleased for you though that you have found conTENTment with your choices. Thanks for adding to the debate and ATB.
Had a 1 person mountain hardware for 30 years excellent tent.had to upgrade to a two person tent,as I now go out with my big muckle black Labrador Yelo.he done a couple of pirouettes in the mountain hardware and plonked himself down leaving me squashed up against the side of the tent 😂.got a Vern 2 - 25% off in the Black Friday sales and I’m delighted with it.plenty of room now for both me and the dog 🐕🦺 WOOF! 😂.👍
Brilliant! I do avoid taking our Black labradorite as she is a bit of a lump.
From the manufacturer "The seams should be lubricated with a special mixture of silicone so that the seams are 100% waterproof"
Easy. Vern 1! Seemes more solid and I hate tight vestibules. Thanks for great video. 👍🏻
Did you seam seal your Nortent Vern tents on the outside or the inside of the tent? Nortent suggest inside but others (eg Valley & Peak) say always the outside to stop any moisture penetrating the stitching
It's an interesting debate that seems to have divided opinions. The Vern 2 I did on both sides. I did a video on it. Everything else from Nortent, including the Lavvo I did on the inside, more for cosmetics than anything. All worked so far.
I don't think the stiching getting wet is an issue as it is designed to expand and seal the holes. What's your thoughts?
@@Fellmandave1 Cosmetically, inside would be preferable for me. It's really hard to know about the waterproofing effect without putting it to the test. Hmmm