Hi Andy, I’m fairly new to all the tech of gear and especially tents. This was a great vid of two top tents, that in one way was a bit of a no brainer. But you explained very well all the facilities and the small cons of both of them, which was well appreciated. This is the best review you’ve done, thanks. Regards, Chris.
I'm Norwegian and I can't stand the thought of the idea that Nortent is produced in China. Hilleberg is produced in Europa. My preferred jacket is from the Norwegian brand Brynje and they also manufacture in Europe. I hope Hilleberg will find a way to lower their prices.
Really so onto Hilleberg, DAC Poles wich are pretty much produced on Korea. Hilleberg materials from what I read are ordered from several places including Estonia, China. The tent manufacture and Test are in Estonia. The Marqueting department US, HQ Northern Sweden. They do have ambassador, internationally. Depending in the Label thry either cost less or more than Nortent. Nortent, designed and tested in Norway. Production China. Marqueting none compared to Hilleberg, but they ambassador internationally. Price and quality between Black and Red Label
Great comparative review Andy. As you say, tent choice will ALWAYS be personal, to suit your build and where, when and how you intend to use the tent. I currently use a Pioneer 2, because it suits where and when I camp and how I transport it (mainly 3-season touring in a microlight aircraft). So I don’t need a full 4 season tent, but can fully appreciate the high quality and comparative virtues of both these tents. The Soulo is obviously a proven fantastic Winter tent, but as you say the Vern is certainly shaping up to be a bit more versatile. Horses for Courses I’d say! Great Review!
Great review. Looks like a reasonable contender to the Soulo. However, longevity is important and it has yet to prove itself. They could vastly improve the zip on the inner and make it more t shape. Keep up the good content.
Super interesting review and doubtless two excellent tents. Best solo backpacking tents though? To me these (and specially the Soulo) are super specialized tents good for extreme use, but way too heavy for general backpacking. I'd never consider a one person tent weighing more than 1.5 kg for "normal" use, and I'd try really hard to find one at around 1 kg - or around half a kilo for a trekking pole tent. I've spend a lot of nights in tents above treeline, and it's almost always possible to find a fairly sheltered spot unless you just have to camp at the top of a mountain.
I agree. I don't think that either of these qualifies as a backpacking tent; they're both overkill for that. Excellent tents both, but neither is really a backpacking tent.
100% the Soulo was designed for mountaineers, both excellent tents but in completely different design class, to compare them is strange tbh, there are way better tents for backpacking to look at.
@@mikhailyaremkiv I know, I live in one of those parts. I've done lots of above treeline camping on cross country ski trips in winter conditions. To me the Soulo is still overkill.
Funny that nobody seems to realize that Hilleberg is more expensive because they pay their employees fair wages. Nortent is made in China. Also, in 100km/h winds I’d sleep much better under proper DAC poles in stead of no name poles.
@SepticBaz Thats nonesence, handmade are both. The difference is that Hilleberg tents are made and tested in a fabric in Estonia, with Materials from Korea ane China. Nortent are made on their service senter on China, but tested in Norway. And it's cost more because Hilleberg uses more shipping and ad commercial than Nortent. Also regarding the Green, Red, Black Labels. The Black Labels comparition are minimal to Nortent: Poles are for example DAC 7001 aluminium, while Nortent uses 7000. Material 40 D while Nortent uses 30 D, but Nortent also uses Dyneema where Hilleberg do not. Apart from that, all materials come from China. The 1000 tag price is due to the cost of the infrastructure, Hilleberg does have a bigger company with 400 people too, and they have a marqueting department in the US.
@JoerivanderKloet You don't have a clue man, you think Chinese people are that poor? And have ever visit China? Or Nortent Service Center? My guess is that you haven't.
@@DanielOutdoors As a matter of fact I have been there and I do know what I'm talking about. Not all Chinese labour is equal; not in quality, nor in pay. However, a skilled worker in China still makes less money than a skilled worker in Estonia. The fact that you think that my assumption is that Chinese people are poor, does indicate that you do have some deficiencies in your understanding of how the economy works. Whether you're 'poor' or not, is not determined by an income in dollars or euros, but by how much you can buy in the country where you live. And that's the end of this discussion for me. Your assumptions are not much better than your tone of voice.
Don't hold your breath on a better testing. He will be previewing something else next week. Everything on this channel is just previews. It's all about getting views and companies to send free items. Didn't mention that he got the Nortent for free.
@@MrCMHUDDY can you point me to any? The only true comparison videos I’ve seen with the tents pitched at the same time in the same weather are Tom Heaney’s but he hasn’t bought a Vern.
@@Paul27483 lol i always take advice from 2month old youtube accounts with no content and no subs... with a created name to try and sound legit on the subject........thanks... il dis regard ur blatant troll if you dont mind tho... ;)
Great review Andy, I think you called it right, the Hilli is for the winter extremities, the Nortent gives you the benefit of having enough room for your gear, with a better vestibule free of clutter for cooking, with the ventilation to go beyond 2 seasons. I think the 200gm is negligible, it’s a case of picking the right tent for your endeavours. Would be good for future tent reviews to show them in compression sacks to give a better idea on how it will pack, as I try and stay within 50 litres.
It was an interesting comparisons covering most areas. I'd have liked to see more detail on things like the quality and thickness of the pole clips, the guy line webbing that wraps around the poles, the way these are attached to the tent fabric, thickness of guy line used. I'm guessing the devils in the detail with the Hilleberg, and that's why so many trust them in the harshest conditions. That said, I reckon the Nortent would be good for 99.5% of UK conditions.
Love your vids lad, I'm just getting set up to start camping but I'll stick with my hyena 11 for now got loads of places in the highlands I've got in mind, look forward to more reviews and camp's from you
Nice to see a video of both of these tents side by side, the Nortent seems to be all the rage over social media at the moment. The Soulo’s do have a vent under the canopy for ventilation, I’v always opened that and never really experienced any condensation issues. The Nortent looks a quality piece of kit I must admit, but I’d prefer a sand Hilleberg Soulo. 😁 Nice video Andy mate enjoyed watching.
Good review. I think the Hilli will be better with snow loading, but, I think both will cope with extreme winter weather. There's almost always some protection from the wind. The Vern 1 has a bigger footprint than my TN Pioneer 2 (never a 2 person tent), although less interior space. I like having good interior space, but with a small footprint. I think for the price, there's no better tent than the Vern 1. As good as the Soulo is, it's too small for me. I'll stick with mine though. It's not as strong but used every week, no matter what the weather. I just choose a location to suit.
Me personally i wouldn’t buy either reason because i prefer a bit of luxury on campsites but if push came to shove ,I’d go for the Vern over the Hilleberg because of the outrageous price
It really is a no brainier between the two. You can buy 2 if one breaks get the spare out for the same money. Personally I will stick with my vango 2 Cairngorm. Great review 👍
It’s hard to justify the price difference. I know many will say Hilleberg’s aren’t made in China, but they’re not made in Sweden either! Both have made efforts to reduce their manufacturing costs.
What sort of logic is that? Forgive me but no, I am not packing an extra tent with me just incase the inferior tent I pitched fails. A wise consumer will buy once, cry once.
Bought new vern 1 based on your initial assessment & have no doubts it’s the best tent I’ve ever owned- looking forward to pushing its limits in the next 2 years
This is an excellent review. I have been thinking about using the Allak 2 for a solo trip, because I did not want to invest on the Soulo or Unna. I think I will now go with the Vern and go back to the Allak 2 for future two-person trips!
Got to admit both these tents are great and an choice may not be so simple as one over the other but more likely which applications do you intend for the Tent..The Hilliberg would tuck into an small space and may be warmer in the cold but the Vern is much more roomier and undoubtedly comfortable in warmer weather..I tend to camp on the coastline where space is limited and the weather predictably better since its an summer pursuit so the Vern would suit that but the Hilliberg is much lighter and may prove useful with strong sea breezes..Its an hard choice for me but if i had the money I'd buy both and choose Tents over the weather and geography Vern for the beach and Hilliberg for the hills moor or heath...
Nice one Andy. I nearly pulled the trigger on the soulo a few times but just couldnt justify the price. The Vern 1 looks like a winner. Great review. Cheers mate.
Trouble is I’m getting my tent on the 26th , the Nortent isn’t available yet, the Hill tent is too expensive. I think the Terra nova southern cross 2 is better, however why can’t Terra nova make a southern cross 1.5? A southern cross 2 but with one vestibule and door? I feel like cross 1 too small and 2 too big?
Got the Vern 1 2024. Just hoping it’s going to see me through the whole of the year and not just winter, as buying a second (pole) tent this year is not an option. Really pleased I got it though.
Just want to say , i cannot wait for my vern 1 to arrive. Polegate stuff that ! Tent looks fantastic. Cant afford a Hilly so what ! This tent ticks all the boxes for me. Thanks for the brilliant review. Hilleberg snobs can do one for me !
Be well aware of its limitations. These Nortents aren’t holding up in conditions where Hillebergs thrive. This video is out of date. Look for ones posted by Fellmandave and Rowanwildcamps who tested the Vern’s in real world conditions and found them wanting. Any test done on a village green claiming the Suolo is last years isn,t worth squat.
Great to see a side by side review, you forgot to mention the Soulo roof vent leaks both at the end point of the zip and eventually through the black triangular fabric in heavy wind blown rain, plenty of reports on TH-cam plus my experience. Love the Soulo but it's a years old design which should have been updated by now, the Vern is I think what the Soulo should be now.
This must be your modern entertainment device consumer mentality but we dont "update" outdoor equipment like electronics every year or two, mostly because a reputable designer designs a product properly the first time and sticks with a proper design because it works. The "new and improved" is a gimmick almost everytime. I expect to see the "old" Hilleberg designs to still be around long after the other tents are decomposing in the dump.
Well done on a great comparison review Andy. I see the vern 1 doing the rounds on YT & FB. Enough information for viewers to make an informed decision. Not my kind of tents either but if I had to it would be the hillieberg for me as its established and a couple of videos I watched the vern 1 holds snow on the roof which is what I would be using them for if i had one. I also read that the vern 1 comes direct from China? Is that correct in your experience?
Like you say give it time to see how the Vern copes.niw if I was to choose any of them it would be the Vern purely because of the internal space I've always been put off with the soulo because of that all my tents are 1.5p or 2p the extra weight for me is worth it.niw having said that I still wouldn't use the Vern in summer because there's lighter options better suited to warmer conditions.
I have been using Soulo since 2008 for kayaking trips, and love it. However, to me, over 2 kg is too much for backpacking. I prefer a lighter tent for backpacking.
I think it’s important to factor in pitching in a storm .. I’d absolutely buy another lone rider adv tent .. to me it is the pinnacle of modern 2kg tents
Great review! I recently picked up a Nordisk Telemark 2.2 PU brand new for under £300 with the groundsheet. I’d be interested to know your opinion of the PU model!
The head shaker video 😂😂😂 Brilliant video Andy , I love the look of the nortent but the only thing that lets it down is the shape of the inner door , As you said they both have there lovers and haters
@@BackpackingUK I'd argue much lighter weight makes the Compact AS better for backpacking any if the weather looks like it could be windy, you can double up on the main pole.
To be fair to them, that’s what their channel is about. Reviewing tents. It costs thousands to run a gear review channel and you need a quick turnover of products. I do the same no matter the Brand, even Hillebergs. I’d love to keep them all but I simply don’t have the money.
I hate those kind of comparaison between 2 good tents wich make's me wants to buy both 😂 . Best review I've seen yet on TH-cam comparing the Soulo versus the new Vern 1. Subbing to your channel
typing half way through, but for me the Vern 1 is the winner for me and presume you will also say this at the end. A bit more thought has been put into it.
OK, I'm probably being over-sensitive as many are. I'm fairly sure Nortent simply uses the same but longer 9mm poles in the Vern 2 which is a surprise to me as it's a much bigger tent with larger spans. I'm not overly surprised it failed.
Andy, Excellent video agree more space and better ventilation together is a winning combination for UK conditions One question is it necessary to seam seal the Vern1?
I'd love you to do something similar between the Soulo and the TN Southern Cross 1. If I were to replace my Soulo, it's the Southern Cross which would tempt me. 75% of the weight for 90% of the capability.
Thanks a lot for the video😊 Do you think that it would be better to save for one of those tents instead of buying Helm 1 and then upgrading in one or two years? Many thanks.
Thank you for the review Andy. Please stop doing them though as now I want the Nortent. I am not doing anything like four season camping yet though so I can’t justify it. Now, when I retire and have more time… (Don’t stop really)
nice this nortent , only 2 tent in my life ! hillenberg allak 2 and hillenberg nammatj 2 gt! the nammatj 2 is legendary brutal rock solid exremly robust double pole bombproof fortress , it laugh at the brutal wind here in iceland !
I mean saying either of these is the 'best' is subjective maybe for proper 4 season conditions but definitely no need in summer for example, the Soulo i think is well overpriced i did own one but found it far too small so got the Allak instead which i only take out is severe wind/snow, my latest tent is the Niak which even as a yellow label Hilleberg will probably out perform most other companies 4 season tents, as for the Nortent well ive never owned one so i can't comment on that, but there's definitely no perfect all round tent, many factors to take into account weather, location ect ect
I think Vern is superior design. If they matched the build quality of Hillleberg that would be amazing. I think the Soulo would probably be a bit easier to pitch.
What about the Terra Nova Laser Compact AS...???? Would you say it compares to the tents in the review - I like it due to the low profile and the lack of wind resistance.
Awesome review Andy 😊👍 I'm considering the Nortent Vern 1 as my first solo tent, when I'm not out with my kids hiking. 😅🏕️ Some days you just need to get out by yourself, charge your energy. ✨ I really like the interior space as you pointed out. Maybe it's a bit heavy for longer walks, but I usally don't walk miles and miles, just happy to get out in the nature to some beautiful spots and set camp 🌲😁
Yes, but the Soulo still has only one vent at the top of the door and the mesh liner option provides no weight saving. It’s costly too (if you can ever get hold of one!).
Interesting ~ though ease and method of putting up the tents would have been useful as part of comparing one tent with the other. For example, one always wants to erect a tent quickly and efficiently during inclement weather conditions. Would these tents fit that?
I’ve got separate reviews showing pitching of these tents. It’s really easy, peg out the tent corners first, insert poles in the short sleeves, clip up the fly and lastly guy it out. So quick and easy plus you can pitch with gloves on too!
Hi Buddy, Great review as usual, what pegs do you use or recommend. There appears to be many different versions so would like some advice on this please?
V or Y pegs are my preferred choice. V for harder ground and Y for softer ground. Short pegs are better for summer use and longer pegs are better for wet or soft ground (especially if it’s windy!). As for brands, MSR pegs are strong and light and readily available. There are plenty of cheaper copies too on Amazon!
So based on your expert opinion I have been looking at the MSR GROUNDHOG TENT Y. Would this be a great all round peg to buy do you think? Or is there a better one in their range?
Brilliant comparison Andy. Do you know Andy what the narrowest internal width is at either end of the nortent please. You mentioned the solou at each end and the widest measurement in both but I didn’t notice you mentioning the vent 1. If you have the size It would be a huge help. Thank you
I think it’s 60cm, but because it’s 240cm long, it’s unlikely your pad would ever be at a far end. I think if a long pad is centred, it’s about 70cm each width end.
@@BackpackingUK brilliant my exped LW is 1970 x 650 so it sounds like that will drop into place with no issues then. I’ve the vern 2 due this week but I wanted to confirm the above before ordering the Vern 1 too. Didn’t want to make an expensive mistake. Brilliant info Andy thank you 👍
Nortent, deffo. It’s a new, better design. I bet Hilliberg revise the Soulo soon, becuase of it. All the best Andy.👍🏾🇬🇧⛺️Edited, as apparently, it’s not as good as it’s made out to be. I’ll stick to my Robens Starlight.👍🏾😉⛺️
Hilleberg, I doubt will revise the Soulo. It's never changed since it was first introduced in 2007 apart from a Black label version. Why change something that is tried and tested over a long time.
@Soggz7785 No, of course I don't know for definite I just don't know why they would want to change a product that has proven itself over nearly two decades
When the weather is better I take a much lighter weight tent in my backpack. These tents are far too heavy for lumping around during a hot summer. Winter mountain tents I would say.
I am not suggesting this is you but the amount of TH-cam videos I watch of people getting anal about the weight of their tent and how keeping their pack weight to a minimum is so important to them, then they pull out drones, cans of beer, cameras, tripod s etc etc 🤣🤣🤣
I would call a good backpacking tent to be sub 1.2 kilos with a small pack size. The Soulo weighs twice that. The Vern 2 is even heavier. I'm not carrying that. These are mountain tents, not backpacking tents.
Any recommendations for a 1 person backpacking tent please? I'm using a Lanshan 2 at the moment, I seriously need to get a better tent! Many thanks.....
@@julesnfriends A lot depends on budget, where you are backpacking, interior space and weight. The Lanshan isnt a bad tent. Would you go for another trekking pole tent or not? Is headroom important. I use a Vango F10 Helium 1 and an x-mid solid 2. The vango is heavier than the x-mid, has less headroom and only one porch. It is a tough tent. Similar designs are the Hilleberg akto, the Fjallraven abisko or the Nordisk Svalbard. Too hebx-midhas become my favourite tent. I've had it for a couple of years. Lots of headroom, 2 porches and light for a two person. Trekking pole tent but you can buy poles for it. It is a Marmite tent. A lot of people hate it but a lot haven't used it or have only had it for a few camps.
@@BrokenBackMountains HUGE thanks for this comprehensive reply. I've had a brief look through, you certainly know your tents. The options look perfect for me. Durston X- mid Solid looks like a well built Lanshan, your Vango Helium looks ideal, the two you have seem to cover all bases. I'm camping mostly in Scotland and Scottish Highlands, spring and autumn. Lanshan didn't feel good there 3 weeks ago. I'll read through these options more carefully - many thanks!
@@julesnfriendsThe Helium is very good and has shown great service in Scotland and Ireland in all weather. The x-mid solid is expensive when the customs fees are factored in. Put it this way, I wouldn't sell either tent and am considering another x-mid solid but 1 person to cut weight even more. If you can, try to see both tents in the real world to see if they suit. There should be a helium set up in an outdoor shop somewhere.
Thanks 👍 Is 237 official or just from another channel? If so, what is the official width at the ends and middle? I can’t find that information, only the external dims.
Great review on these tents and I agree, the Nortent Vern 1 has to be my favourite out of the two. Also I know this is niche BUT I feel like it would be a very popular video if you were to make it. I'd love to see an ultimate camping setup for bikers, something that could fit into a 50 litre pannier/s would be great! Lightweight, all the essentials you would need for a weekend away, I feel like you would have some good ideas and recommendations on equipment. Cheers Andy!
I would love to see this too. Still thinking about the Vern 1 PC for bike trips in the summer months. My current shortlist is Vern 1, Vern 1 PC, TN Pioneer 2 and MSR Hubba Hubba. I’m currently using Naturehike Cloud Up 2 which is tiny packsize and a great tent but I don’t like crawling through the front, would prefer side access and bigger vestibule etc. A motorbike sleep and cook system setup would be a great video 👍
Great comparison presentation, the old stalwart hilleberg soulo, a tried, tested and well trusted tent from one of the worlds premium tent manufacturers vs the new kid on the block which has some pretty impressive stats and is causing quite a few waves in social media land. Both tents will easily stand up to what 95% of uk backpackers will ever put them through here in the UK, and the wiser outdoors men and women will know when conditions get particularly sketchy, its always best to pitch your shelter of choice in a sheltered spot. This youtube and Instagram trend of pitching up in the most exposed spot available in the face of an oncoming storm is for silly people trying to get more views on their channel. I imagine if Bo Hilleberg ever watched such TH-camrs, he would be scratching his head as to why they pitched one of his tents in such ridiculously exposed positions. That's just youtube world I guess. Anyhow two great tents that will serve UK conditions and users very well almost all the time (providing your not making silly youtube videos pitching your tent against the worst mother nature has to offer, because she will always win).
Ridiculous to call any tent the "BEST" let alone best in the world! It totally depends on the circumstances in which you are going to use it. E.g. are either of these the BEST for lightweight backpacking in good weather conditions? It's an interesting comparison but rather a misleading title.
@@BackpackingUK I wanted to see what you thought were the 2 best backpacking tents in the world. Do you honestly think they are the BEST backpacking tents in the world? Serious question.
@@fellrunningguidesomething can objectively win more points than another thing in certain, shared and agreed upon categories. That thing that gained more points will be deemed "best". Its a simple concept really. Glad to clear it up for you.
Hi Andy, I’m fairly new to all the tech of gear and especially tents. This was a great vid of two top tents, that in one way was a bit of a no brainer. But you explained very well all the facilities and the small cons of both of them, which was well appreciated. This is the best review you’ve done, thanks. Regards, Chris.
I'm Norwegian and I can't stand the thought of the idea that Nortent is produced in China.
Hilleberg is produced in Europa. My preferred jacket is from the Norwegian brand Brynje and they also manufacture in Europe. I hope Hilleberg will find a way to lower their prices.
Really so onto Hilleberg, DAC Poles wich are pretty much produced on Korea. Hilleberg materials from what I read are ordered from several places including Estonia, China. The tent manufacture and Test are in Estonia. The Marqueting department US, HQ Northern Sweden. They do have ambassador, internationally. Depending in the Label thry either cost less or more than Nortent.
Nortent, designed and tested in Norway. Production China. Marqueting none compared to Hilleberg, but they ambassador internationally. Price and quality between Black and Red Label
Great comparative review Andy. As you say, tent choice will ALWAYS be personal, to suit your build and where, when and how you intend to use the tent. I currently use a Pioneer 2, because it suits where and when I camp and how I transport it (mainly 3-season touring in a microlight aircraft). So I don’t need a full 4 season tent, but can fully appreciate the high quality and comparative virtues of both these tents. The Soulo is obviously a proven fantastic Winter tent, but as you say the Vern is certainly shaping up to be a bit more versatile. Horses for Courses I’d say! Great Review!
Great review. Looks like a reasonable contender to the Soulo. However, longevity is important and it has yet to prove itself. They could vastly improve the zip on the inner and make it more t shape. Keep up the good content.
Super interesting review and doubtless two excellent tents. Best solo backpacking tents though? To me these (and specially the Soulo) are super specialized tents good for extreme use, but way too heavy for general backpacking. I'd never consider a one person tent weighing more than 1.5 kg for "normal" use, and I'd try really hard to find one at around 1 kg - or around half a kilo for a trekking pole tent. I've spend a lot of nights in tents above treeline, and it's almost always possible to find a fairly sheltered spot unless you just have to camp at the top of a mountain.
I agree. I don't think that either of these qualifies as a backpacking tent; they're both overkill for that.
Excellent tents both, but neither is really a backpacking tent.
100% the Soulo was designed for mountaineers, both excellent tents but in completely different design class, to compare them is strange tbh, there are way better tents for backpacking to look at.
In many parts of the world and during many times of the year a normal day can turn very abnormal very quickly.
@@mikhailyaremkiv I know, I live in one of those parts. I've done lots of above treeline camping on cross country ski trips in winter conditions. To me the Soulo is still overkill.
Funny that nobody seems to realize that Hilleberg is more expensive because they pay their employees fair wages. Nortent is made in China. Also, in 100km/h winds I’d sleep much better under proper DAC poles in stead of no name poles.
Dude Hilleberg is made on Estonia, with Materials from China, and Korea. They dont pay better than Nortent lol
@SepticBaz Thats nonesence, handmade are both. The difference is that Hilleberg tents are made and tested in a fabric in Estonia, with Materials from Korea ane China. Nortent are made on their service senter on China, but tested in Norway. And it's cost more because Hilleberg uses more shipping and ad commercial than Nortent. Also regarding the Green, Red, Black Labels. The Black Labels comparition are minimal to Nortent:
Poles are for example DAC 7001 aluminium, while Nortent uses 7000. Material 40 D while Nortent uses 30 D, but Nortent also uses Dyneema where Hilleberg do not. Apart from that, all materials come from China. The 1000 tag price is due to the cost of the infrastructure, Hilleberg does have a bigger company with 400 people too, and they have a marqueting department in the US.
@@DanielOutdoors You think people in China get the same rate as people in Estonia? Spoiler alert: they don't.
@JoerivanderKloet You don't have a clue man, you think Chinese people are that poor? And have ever visit China? Or Nortent Service Center? My guess is that you haven't.
@@DanielOutdoors As a matter of fact I have been there and I do know what I'm talking about. Not all Chinese labour is equal; not in quality, nor in pay. However, a skilled worker in China still makes less money than a skilled worker in Estonia.
The fact that you think that my assumption is that Chinese people are poor, does indicate that you do have some deficiencies in your understanding of how the economy works. Whether you're 'poor' or not, is not determined by an income in dollars or euros, but by how much you can buy in the country where you live. And that's the end of this discussion for me. Your assumptions are not much better than your tone of voice.
Think I’ll wait for the real life test on a very windy, wet hillside with rocks and peat underneath. That’s the comparison video I want to see!
Don't hold your breath on a better testing. He will be previewing something else next week. Everything on this channel is just previews.
It's all about getting views and companies to send free items.
Didn't mention that he got the Nortent for free.
Already been done by other well known, experienced campers that are also youtubers.
@@MrCMHUDDY can you point me to any? The only true comparison videos I’ve seen with the tents pitched at the same time in the same weather are Tom Heaney’s but he hasn’t bought a Vern.
@@Paul27483 lol i always take advice from 2month old youtube accounts with no content and no subs... with a created name to try and sound legit on the subject........thanks... il dis regard ur blatant troll if you dont mind tho... ;)
Great review Andy, I think you called it right, the Hilli is for the winter extremities, the Nortent gives you the benefit of having enough room for your gear, with a better vestibule free of clutter for cooking, with the ventilation to go beyond 2 seasons. I think the 200gm is negligible, it’s a case of picking the right tent for your endeavours. Would be good for future tent reviews to show them in compression sacks to give a better idea on how it will pack, as I try and stay within 50 litres.
I did manage to fit the Soulo (excluding poles) into my MSR Hubba NX 1 compression tent bag which surprised me.
It was an interesting comparisons covering most areas. I'd have liked to see more detail on things like the quality and thickness of the pole clips, the guy line webbing that wraps around the poles, the way these are attached to the tent fabric, thickness of guy line used. I'm guessing the devils in the detail with the Hilleberg, and that's why so many trust them in the harshest conditions. That said, I reckon the Nortent would be good for 99.5% of UK conditions.
Love your vids lad, I'm just getting set up to start camping but I'll stick with my hyena 11 for now got loads of places in the highlands I've got in mind, look forward to more reviews and camp's from you
Ventilation on the Soulo is provided by the detachable roof which directs airflow through the tent. There's also a vent in the outer door.
Yes, but on the inner, you can only fold down part of one half of the door. The ventilation is pathetic in the Soulo. Same for the Unna.
Nice to see a video of both of these tents side by side, the Nortent seems to be all the rage over social media at the moment. The Soulo’s do have a vent under the canopy for ventilation, I’v always opened that and never really experienced any condensation issues.
The Nortent looks a quality piece of kit I must admit, but I’d prefer a sand Hilleberg Soulo. 😁
Nice video Andy mate enjoyed watching.
Good review. I think the Hilli will be better with snow loading, but, I think both will cope with extreme winter weather. There's almost always some protection from the wind. The Vern 1 has a bigger footprint than my TN Pioneer 2 (never a 2 person tent), although less interior space. I like having good interior space, but with a small footprint. I think for the price, there's no better tent than the Vern 1. As good as the Soulo is, it's too small for me. I'll stick with mine though. It's not as strong but used every week, no matter what the weather. I just choose a location to suit.
THIS is the comparison we wanted! Thanks
Thanks 🙏
Me personally i wouldn’t buy either reason because i prefer a bit of luxury on campsites but if push came to shove ,I’d go for the Vern over the Hilleberg because of the outrageous price
New drinking game - take a shot every time “No doubt about” is said in this video, you will be drunk
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its no doubt about that !!!!
He needs to learn how to say words ending in t. Norten...
Ill stick with my Vango banshee thanks lol. Tried and tested and a fraction of the price.
The glow in the dark zip tabs did it for me 👌. I love my vern 1 . Hopefully do me for years to come . Thanks for the review 👍
Fantastic review, there’s no doubt about it. I have a Soulo but the Vent 1 looks amazing.
How about the vern 1 v scarp tarptent ? Similar price range and both are supposed to be Hilleberg challengers ??
The Nortent definitely wins for me, the extra features make all the difference when camping, great review Andy.
Cheers 👍
Look at 4:58
It really is a no brainier between the two. You can buy 2 if one breaks get the spare out for the same money. Personally I will stick with my vango 2 Cairngorm. Great review 👍
It’s hard to justify the price difference. I know many will say Hilleberg’s aren’t made in China, but they’re not made in Sweden either! Both have made efforts to reduce their manufacturing costs.
@@BackpackingUKtheir own factory in Europe (Estonia) must be a chunk of the cost vs China
What sort of logic is that? Forgive me but no, I am not packing an extra tent with me just incase the inferior tent I pitched fails. A wise consumer will buy once, cry once.
Bought new vern 1 based on your initial assessment & have no doubts it’s the best tent I’ve ever owned- looking forward to pushing its limits in the next 2 years
You won’t regret it 👍
This is an excellent review. I have been thinking about using the Allak 2 for a solo trip, because I did not want to invest on the Soulo or Unna. I think I will now go with the Vern and go back to the Allak 2 for future two-person trips!
The best choise of these 2 seems to be Hilleberg Unna.
Great video and great review Andy 👍 placing an order off the back of this🙂
This was a GREAT review and comparison! If I were looking for a tent, you sold me on the Nortent!
Got to admit both these tents are great and an choice may not be so simple as one over the other but more likely which applications do you intend for the Tent..The Hilliberg would tuck into an small space and may be warmer in the cold but the Vern is much more roomier and undoubtedly comfortable in warmer weather..I tend to camp on the coastline where space is limited and the weather predictably better since its an summer pursuit so the Vern would suit that but the Hilliberg is much lighter and may prove useful with strong sea breezes..Its an hard choice for me but if i had the money I'd buy both and choose Tents over the weather and geography Vern for the beach and Hilliberg for the hills moor or heath...
Nice one Andy. I nearly pulled the trigger on the soulo a few times but just couldnt justify the price. The Vern 1 looks like a winner. Great review. Cheers mate.
Great review. I wonder the warranty. How Nortent will sort problems. Heard hilleberg is pretty good.
Good Job Andy, very fair.
I have the nortent vern 1 and ive been in majority of conditons and all elements. its an amazing tent for money.
. highly recommend
Great video!
Trouble is I’m getting my tent on the 26th , the Nortent isn’t available yet, the Hill tent is too expensive. I think the Terra nova southern cross 2 is better, however why can’t Terra nova make a southern cross 1.5? A southern cross 2 but with one vestibule and door? I feel like cross 1 too small and 2 too big?
Excellent review video Andy as always 👍
Can’t afford either but my choice would be the Nortent. Would love one of these.😢
My Vern 1 is here. Sadly, I've got to wait a couple of weeks before I'm able to use it. I'm far from patient!
Great comparison video. Thanks.
Got the Vern 1 2024. Just hoping it’s going to see me through the whole of the year and not just winter, as buying a second (pole) tent this year is not an option. Really pleased I got it though.
Just want to say , i cannot wait for my vern 1 to arrive. Polegate stuff that ! Tent looks fantastic. Cant afford a Hilly so what ! This tent ticks all the boxes for me. Thanks for the brilliant review. Hilleberg snobs can do one for me !
Be well aware of its limitations. These Nortents aren’t holding up in conditions where Hillebergs thrive. This video is out of date. Look for ones posted by Fellmandave and Rowanwildcamps who tested the Vern’s in real world conditions and found them wanting. Any test done on a village green claiming the Suolo is last years isn,t worth squat.
Thanks Andy, great video. If I was in the market for yet another tent, I’d go Nortent
Great to see a side by side review, you forgot to mention the Soulo roof vent leaks both at the end point of the zip and eventually through the black triangular fabric in heavy wind blown rain, plenty of reports on TH-cam plus my experience. Love the Soulo but it's a years old design which should have been updated by now, the Vern is I think what the Soulo should be now.
This must be your modern entertainment device consumer mentality but we dont "update" outdoor equipment like electronics every year or two, mostly because a reputable designer designs a product properly the first time and sticks with a proper design because it works. The "new and improved" is a gimmick almost everytime. I expect to see the "old" Hilleberg designs to still be around long after the other tents are decomposing in the dump.
Well done on a great comparison review Andy. I see the vern 1 doing the rounds on YT & FB. Enough information for viewers to make an informed decision. Not my kind of tents either but if I had to it would be the hillieberg for me as its established and a couple of videos I watched the vern 1 holds snow on the roof which is what I would be using them for if i had one. I also read that the vern 1 comes direct from China? Is that correct in your experience?
Yes, the Nortent is made in China. I Googled where it came from and it looks like a decent set up out there. No sign of balls and chains 😂
Best review so far Andy, in my opinion 👌
Thanks 🙏
Like you say give it time to see how the Vern copes.niw if I was to choose any of them it would be the Vern purely because of the internal space I've always been put off with the soulo because of that all my tents are 1.5p or 2p the extra weight for me is worth it.niw having said that I still wouldn't use the Vern in summer because there's lighter options better suited to warmer conditions.
I have been using Soulo since 2008 for kayaking trips, and love it. However, to me, over 2 kg is too much for backpacking. I prefer a lighter tent for backpacking.
I think it’s important to factor in pitching in a storm .. I’d absolutely buy another lone rider adv tent .. to me it is the pinnacle of modern 2kg tents
What a great review mate 👍
Outstanding review ,Andy 👏 👌 👍
Great review! I recently picked up a Nordisk Telemark 2.2 PU brand new for under £300 with the groundsheet. I’d be interested to know your opinion of the PU model!
In my opinion Nortent Vern 1 is the winner in many ways. I`m waiting delivery for my dream tent Vern 1 PC it`s fantastic tent really is.
The head shaker video 😂😂😂
Brilliant video Andy , I love the look of the nortent but the only thing that lets it down is the shape of the inner door ,
As you said they both have there lovers and haters
It's a no brainer, nearly half the cost and able to use it more often. If I could only have one it'd be the Nortent
Great review that Andy, minds made totally clear now thanks pal 👊👍🥃
Exciting times! 🤗
Love your reviews bud, another pro comparison. Keep up the great work!😉👍🏆
What happened to the Terra compact AS , not that long ago it was great you said !
It is, they are totally different tents though. You can’t compare a single-pole tent to a three-pole tent that weighs about a kilo more.
@@BackpackingUK I'd argue much lighter weight makes the Compact AS better for backpacking any if the weather looks like it could be windy, you can double up on the main pole.
Great review Andy, definitely time to move my Hilleberg Akto on and replace it with the Vern 1.
I should have said, one of the best things about Hilleberg’s is their re-sale value. Your Akto will still be worth a substantial amount of money.
I've noticed that most of the TH-cam influencers are raffling off or selling the Nortent tents they were given and raving about.
To be fair to them, that’s what their channel is about. Reviewing tents. It costs thousands to run a gear review channel and you need a quick turnover of products. I do the same no matter the Brand, even Hillebergs. I’d love to keep them all but I simply don’t have the money.
The only thing I think would better is the Hilliberg in the snow. The Nortent will gather snow around the crossed poles.
I hate those kind of comparaison between 2 good tents wich make's me wants to buy both 😂 . Best review I've seen yet on TH-cam comparing the Soulo versus the new Vern 1. Subbing to your channel
Cheers 👍
typing half way through, but for me the Vern 1 is the winner for me and presume you will also say this at the end. A bit more thought has been put into it.
Excellent honest review Andy, not in the market yet for a new tent but the Vern 1 looks a fine all-rounder.❤
Im NOT associating you with the VERN 2! Im explaining that the VERN 2 has also had bent and snapped poles, just like the VERN 1.
OK, I'm probably being over-sensitive as many are. I'm fairly sure Nortent simply uses the same but longer 9mm poles in the Vern 2 which is a surprise to me as it's a much bigger tent with larger spans. I'm not overly surprised it failed.
Andy, Excellent video agree more space and better ventilation together is a winning combination for UK conditions
One question is it necessary to seam seal the Vern1?
I’m not intending to seam seal it. I believe they do flat lock stitching like Hilleberg.
Congratulations mate.
Durham, which is defo longer than 2hrs..lol
And I have my own chair!!
I'd love you to do something similar between the Soulo and the TN Southern Cross 1. If I were to replace my Soulo, it's the Southern Cross which would tempt me. 75% of the weight for 90% of the capability.
Unless you’re small, you wouldn’t like it. I’m 5’8” and it feels a bit small for even me.
Great balanced review of both tents 👍
Thanks a lot for the video😊
Do you think that it would be better to save for one of those tents instead of buying Helm 1 and then upgrading in one or two years?
Many thanks.
Thank you for the review Andy. Please stop doing them though as now I want the Nortent. I am not doing anything like four season camping yet though so I can’t justify it. Now, when I retire and have more time… (Don’t stop really)
nice this nortent , only 2 tent in my life ! hillenberg allak 2 and hillenberg nammatj 2 gt! the nammatj 2 is legendary brutal rock solid exremly robust double pole bombproof fortress , it laugh at the brutal wind here in iceland !
I mean saying either of these is the 'best' is subjective maybe for proper 4 season conditions but definitely no need in summer for example, the Soulo i think is well overpriced i did own one but found it far too small so got the Allak instead which i only take out is severe wind/snow, my latest tent is the Niak which even as a yellow label Hilleberg will probably out perform most other companies 4 season tents, as for the Nortent well ive never owned one so i can't comment on that, but there's definitely no perfect all round tent, many factors to take into account weather, location ect ect
I think Vern is superior design. If they matched the build quality of Hillleberg that would be amazing. I think the Soulo would probably be a bit easier to pitch.
What about the Terra Nova Laser Compact AS...???? Would you say it compares to the tents in the review - I like it due to the low profile and the lack of wind resistance.
Awesome review Andy 😊👍 I'm considering the Nortent Vern 1 as my first solo tent, when I'm not out with my kids hiking. 😅🏕️ Some days you just need to get out by yourself, charge your energy. ✨ I really like the interior space as you pointed out. Maybe it's a bit heavy for longer walks, but I usally don't walk miles and miles, just happy to get out in the nature to some beautiful spots and set camp 🌲😁
These companies need to provide summer inners as an option to buy which I believe Hilleberg does…
New Brunswick Canada 🇨🇦
Yes, but the Soulo still has only one vent at the top of the door and the mesh liner option provides no weight saving. It’s costly too (if you can ever get hold of one!).
Interesting ~ though ease and method of putting up the tents would have been useful as part of comparing one tent with the other. For example, one always wants to erect a tent quickly and efficiently during inclement weather conditions. Would these tents fit that?
I’ve got separate reviews showing pitching of these tents. It’s really easy, peg out the tent corners first, insert poles in the short sleeves, clip up the fly and lastly guy it out. So quick and easy plus you can pitch with gloves on too!
Hi Buddy,
Great review as usual, what pegs do you use or recommend. There appears to be many different versions so would like some advice on this please?
V or Y pegs are my preferred choice. V for harder ground and Y for softer ground. Short pegs are better for summer use and longer pegs are better for wet or soft ground (especially if it’s windy!). As for brands, MSR pegs are strong and light and readily available. There are plenty of cheaper copies too on Amazon!
So based on your expert opinion I have been looking at the MSR GROUNDHOG TENT Y. Would this be a great all round peg to buy do you think? Or is there a better one in their range?
Brilliant comparison Andy. Do you know Andy what the narrowest internal width is at either end of the nortent please. You mentioned the solou at each end and the widest measurement in both but I didn’t notice you mentioning the vent 1. If you have the size It would be a huge help. Thank you
I think it’s 60cm, but because it’s 240cm long, it’s unlikely your pad would ever be at a far end. I think if a long pad is centred, it’s about 70cm each width end.
@@BackpackingUK brilliant my exped LW is 1970 x 650 so it sounds like that will drop into place with no issues then. I’ve the vern 2 due this week but I wanted to confirm the above before ordering the Vern 1 too. Didn’t want to make an expensive mistake. Brilliant info Andy thank you 👍
Nortent wins it for me. More space, cheaper & if I wanted to have a sleepless night being out in silly high winds I’d just double pole!
Nortent, deffo. It’s a new, better design.
I bet Hilliberg revise the Soulo soon, becuase of it.
All the best Andy.👍🏾🇬🇧⛺️Edited, as apparently, it’s not as good as it’s made out to be.
I’ll stick to my Robens Starlight.👍🏾😉⛺️
Hilleberg, I doubt will revise the Soulo. It's never changed since it was first introduced in 2007 apart from a Black label version. Why change something that is tried and tested over a long time.
@@steviet3725 And you know that for definite?
@Soggz7785 No, of course I don't know for definite
I just don't know why they would want to change a product that has proven itself over nearly two decades
@@sukiline 🤣🤣🤣
Bit late to the party. But I’ve got my popcorn ready. 😁
😂😂😂
Спасибо! Хороший обзор! Теперь я незнаю какую палатку выбрать😊
Hilleberg does a better job on their door straps, and foot prints
When the weather is better I take a much lighter weight tent in my backpack. These tents are far too heavy for lumping around during a hot summer. Winter mountain tents I would say.
I am not suggesting this is you but the amount of TH-cam videos I watch of people getting anal about the weight of their tent and how keeping their pack weight to a minimum is so important to them, then they pull out drones, cans of beer, cameras, tripod s etc etc 🤣🤣🤣
Great comparison Andy 👍🏻
Cheers 👍
I think this should have been a 3-horse race, including the Terra Nova Southern Cross.
You're thoughts?
Can I say the Nortent inner tent is not well venti for summer season?
It is well vented for a 4 season tent. I’m not sure what more you want?
I would call a good backpacking tent to be sub 1.2 kilos with a small pack size.
The Soulo weighs twice that. The Vern 2 is even heavier.
I'm not carrying that.
These are mountain tents, not backpacking tents.
Any recommendations for a 1 person backpacking tent please? I'm using a Lanshan 2 at the moment, I seriously need to get a better tent!
Many thanks.....
@@julesnfriends A lot depends on budget, where you are backpacking, interior space and weight. The Lanshan isnt a bad tent. Would you go for another trekking pole tent or not? Is headroom important.
I use a Vango F10 Helium 1 and an x-mid solid 2.
The vango is heavier than the x-mid, has less headroom and only one porch. It is a tough tent. Similar designs are the Hilleberg akto, the Fjallraven abisko or the Nordisk Svalbard.
Too hebx-midhas become my favourite tent. I've had it for a couple of years. Lots of headroom, 2 porches and light for a two person. Trekking pole tent but you can buy poles for it. It is a Marmite tent. A lot of people hate it but a lot haven't used it or have only had it for a few camps.
@@BrokenBackMountains HUGE thanks for this comprehensive reply. I've had a brief look through, you certainly know your tents. The options look perfect for me. Durston X- mid Solid looks like a well built Lanshan, your Vango Helium looks ideal, the two you have seem to cover all bases.
I'm camping mostly in Scotland and Scottish Highlands, spring and autumn. Lanshan didn't feel good there 3 weeks ago.
I'll read through these options more carefully - many thanks!
@@julesnfriendsThe Helium is very good and has shown great service in Scotland and Ireland in all weather.
The x-mid solid is expensive when the customs fees are factored in.
Put it this way, I wouldn't sell either tent and am considering another x-mid solid but 1 person to cut weight even more.
If you can, try to see both tents in the real world to see if they suit. There should be a helium set up in an outdoor shop somewhere.
slighty wrong information about the inner length:
Soulo is not 225cm but 220cm
Vern 1 is not 240cm but 237cm
I also own both
Thanks 👍 Is 237 official or just from another channel? If so, what is the official width at the ends and middle? I can’t find that information, only the external dims.
@@BackpackingUK i own both Vern 1 versions. Also an Akto and a Soulo
Great review Andy
Thanks 👍
Another cracking video Andy, great comparison between these two stellar tents.
The Nortent has a major design flaw. The roof is collecting rain water in two spots. In heavy rain there will be two small ponds under the tent.
Not on mine there wasn’t.
Look at 4:58
@@yarpen9016 It doesn’t collect rain water. I’m not saying it again!
Great review on these tents and I agree, the Nortent Vern 1 has to be my favourite out of the two.
Also I know this is niche BUT I feel like it would be a very popular video if you were to make it.
I'd love to see an ultimate camping setup for bikers, something that could fit into a 50 litre pannier/s would be great! Lightweight, all the essentials you would need for a weekend away, I feel like you would have some good ideas and recommendations on equipment.
Cheers Andy!
I’ll see what I can do 👍
I would love to see this too. Still thinking about the Vern 1 PC for bike trips in the summer months. My current shortlist is Vern 1, Vern 1 PC, TN Pioneer 2 and MSR Hubba Hubba. I’m currently using Naturehike Cloud Up 2 which is tiny packsize and a great tent but I don’t like crawling through the front, would prefer side access and bigger vestibule etc. A motorbike sleep and cook system setup would be a great video 👍
Great comparison presentation, the old stalwart hilleberg soulo, a tried, tested and well trusted tent from one of the worlds premium tent manufacturers vs the new kid on the block which has some pretty impressive stats and is causing quite a few waves in social media land. Both tents will easily stand up to what 95% of uk backpackers will ever put them through here in the UK, and the wiser outdoors men and women will know when conditions get particularly sketchy, its always best to pitch your shelter of choice in a sheltered spot. This youtube and Instagram trend of pitching up in the most exposed spot available in the face of an oncoming storm is for silly people trying to get more views on their channel. I imagine if Bo Hilleberg ever watched such TH-camrs, he would be scratching his head as to why they pitched one of his tents in such ridiculously exposed positions. That's just youtube world I guess. Anyhow two great tents that will serve UK conditions and users very well almost all the time (providing your not making silly youtube videos pitching your tent against the worst mother nature has to offer, because she will always win).
Great reviews. Thanks
Ridiculous to call any tent the "BEST" let alone best in the world!
It totally depends on the circumstances in which you are going to use it. E.g. are either of these the BEST for lightweight backpacking in good weather conditions?
It's an interesting comparison but rather a misleading title.
Out of interest, why did you click on it if you believe there’s no best tent in the world? I’d have simply scrolled on. Serious question.
@@BackpackingUK I wanted to see what you thought were the 2 best backpacking tents in the world.
Do you honestly think they are the BEST backpacking tents in the world?
Serious question.
@@fellrunningguidesomething can objectively win more points than another thing in certain, shared and agreed upon categories. That thing that gained more points will be deemed "best". Its a simple concept really. Glad to clear it up for you.
Ok for a night or two out but I wouldn’t won’t to be backpacking on a long trip with these heavy tents.
For UK multi-day use they’ll be fine, but I agree they’ll be too much for some of the North American trails.
Fits long wide sleeping pad just fine, no problem. 12:00
Not solo but the Vern 2 is a tank of a tent
Nortent for the win 🎉
13:15 -- man, that is is a lot freshly cut grass on the bottom of your shoes LOL
Those Salomon X-Ultra 4’s are magnets for grass 😂
Great comprehensive review. Well done.