Lexus IS - Past Present and Future (Part 2)
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- In Part 2, we break down the sales of the entire IS lifetime. Dig into what the current model is lacking --- and what the next IS needs to be successful once again.
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If I had anything to say at Lexus , what I don't, I would :
1) not make my car bigger, but I would improve the room in it with clever tricks
2) I would introduce a lighter body pannels made by hemp mixture or a Toyota harplast compound
Those two elements with the goal to lower the weight. Because we already have enough heavy cars.
3) I would offer four engine choices :
- 2 Liter full hybrid with e-cvt
- 3 Liter i6 full hybrid with 8 speed auto
- 3 liter i6 turbo with eight speed auto or manual optional
- 4 Liter na v8 on the isf, that I would prepare with following easter egg "easy upgrade to bi-turbo". 8 speed auto or manual.
4) I would put this on the new lexus Plattform.
5) if money wasn't a problem, I would introduce a revolutionary transmission where automatic and manual are both available on each car.
Let's be clear. This is probably not that will come. But I would love that.
2013 was a killer lease, 18 months with 1899 down and 279 a month. I had one that had a rattle the B Pillar, Lexus lemon lawed it with the 2014. I was the first to have one in Palm Beach, FL. The actually 2014 unit was a demo for the dealership with no sticker price in the window. Lexus worked it out some how, I loved that car so much. Then I had a 2016 GS F-sport, which drove me crazy. In a good way of course.
Lemon Law because of a rattle? Sounds sus.
Great job again! The IS is so far behind its rivals, BMW three, Audi A4, Mercedes-Benz C class, etc. For Lexus, I agree, it’s not mission-critical, they need to be passionate about the IS, any halfhearted attempts Now would spell the demise of the model
I agree! As much I love Lexus cars
It's funny, because this is literally subjective perception applied to the masses.
I drove some recent bmw and Mercs through car rental (very popular in the EU). Those things where tugboats. Nice when the streets where straight, but a boat to drive around corners. The difference with the direct and light footed Lexus IS300 is huge.
That a car is far behind because some entertainment stuff isn't in is very difficult for me to comprehend. Especially when the concurrents are doing self destructive cars with life expectencies around 145'000km. I see this as a huge disadvantage for every other car builders running in this class.
A whole new dash with new tech from the ES & UX might work with a 2014-2015 style Camry refresh on the outside and new engines might save it if they choose not to fully redesign 🤔💭
I am a massive fan of Lexus specially IS and GS. I Just bought a used IS 350 F sport can't wait to drive it. WOW 4th gen looks really aggressive love it.
Around what month do they usually announce new cars for Lexus? Cant wait!
Man I’d love to see what an ISF of the 3rd gen body style would look like... I mean damn the body just looks so good, i really wish they would have made one. And if continues
Good video!! ISF definitely needs 4.0TT. IS350 needs the 3.5TT.
true
people buy lexus for reliability, not performance
I just saw the production ready Genesis G80 and let me just tell you, I was no Hyundai fan at all, but Genesis is coming to take heads. I am a Lexus fan all day , after seeing the new 2021 G80 I really don't think its a good idea for Lexus to discontinue the GS. Allow the G70 to compete with the IS and Let the GS go head to head with the G80. Genesis/Hyundai designers are bringing it, Lexus Genesis has officially put you on Notice, with the vast amount power trains they offer and these sleek not over styled luxury designs there introducing, Akio Toyoda should be worried. And this is coming from a 4x Lexus owner with a 2018 GS 350 F SPORT as my daily commuter.
I was thinking the same thing, no one once to believe Hyundai/Genesis has a clear target on Lexus Head.
@Flip Flop Lets hope so, I don't get how company's with way less operating revenue are adding midsize sedans and the most powerful car company on earth is dropping the only one they have. To me it shows that there lack of enthusiasm to bring cutting edge drivers cars to the market is no longer there. To think that a GS customer would remain with the brand and be told to just get and ES instead is an insult.
I definitely agree on this one as previous Lexus owner owned several GS’s mainly 2 Gen the Genesis has really impressed I really feel there going after Acura/Lexus market big time.
2009-2012 = peak recession
I think Lexus should combine the GS and the IS into a new model and make it a turbo liftback. That would inject new life into these dying models.
Good video. I've re-watched several videos from the 2014-2015 release. The reviewers were HOT for the 3rd Gen, because a driver's +soul+ was put into the car, yet the luxuriousness remained. If Lexus is still interested in the compact sport sedan market, they need to recapture the excitement from 2014-2015. I have a 2016 350 FSport and a smile creeps across my face every time I look at it, crank it up, and take off; but then again, this is my 4th Lexus so I'm biased. ;-) Update (not refresh) the body, introduce a new infotainment system, re-work the blasted placement of the cup holders, increase horsepower to match rivals, and they'll have a hit again. (In my opinion.)
Need to bring back the ISF at least 500 hp
There are already 3 powertains on Gen 3 IS in most global markets, 2.0T, 3.5V6, 2.5 Hybrid. I think all of these will be retained in their latest guises and the hi-performance F spec with the LS sourced V6.
Yeah, IS-Fh with LS500h engine, please do it
nowizard5 A more powerful hybrid than the GS450h for sure is needed!!!
Love my 2014 IS350 AWD F sport. Bought it in 2016. Don't forget the recession in 2008, 2009 and lasted a few years. Money was tight.
I'm waiting to see what the next IS looks like. 🥱
Put the B58 in it and that will be the nail in the coffin. All lexus need to do is put the 2.0t in base with 305 hp, v6tt in the IS Fsport with 403hp, v6tt with bigger turbos in ISF 580hp. Whatever hybrid motor for the Greenpeace squad.
beautiful design, great handling,/great steering feel, quality interior with modern luxury design, engine range from 200 to 500 hp and different interior and exterior colors options. these are what the new IS needs.
I thought they dropped units in 2008 from the financial crisis.. but then again it declined so much more up until now
Financial crisis, yes.
After that they had the SUV crazy wave coming.
If those renders are what the new IS is going to look like, it's gone the way of the UX with it's dramatic and haphazard creases everywhere and anywhere. I'll be keeping my 3IS (or moving to the dark side -- the germans) if it's going to look like that and not more similar to the LC and LS which are much more elegant in their designs.
You got lucky then it resembles the LS quite a lot
Ideal next gen IS F should use the I6 engine that is under develop by Mazda now
Yes, if the rumor is r m true they should use it, but it's still in development right now, probably on hold for the covid. So it seems impossible for it to come for the new is, unless they slow down development by a year.
@@benoitbricet8885 Well the Japanese auto makers need to come up with something for the high performance sedan market. The only thing now that seem promising is the Acura type s, but it is not even M3, RS4, C63 level.....
@@richardhung3878 then you will be surprised what Acura is brewing exactly now. 😀
2nd gen is the best looking car on earth
Agreed. 2nd gen has a timeless look and the ISF will be a classic one day.
2nd gen looks good but it is FAR from the best looking car LOL. Take it easy.
Fudo ISF is a classic. I break my neck everytime I see one. Which is not often.
I hope it will became a little bit specious than current model
I own a 2016 300h IS F sport and it's really lovely and very nice car i love it more than any other of my EX lexus ( it's the 6th in row )
Rx400h
Ct200h
Hs250h
Es300h
Rx450
Then now IS300H
Some engine options I would love to see the the next gen IS: 2.4l twin turbo for the entry models, the 3.5l twin turbo in the ls500, even a 3.0l i6 twin turbo in the new Supra would be amazing.
If they can somehow get an inline6 turbo engine in the next gen, I’ll more than likely trade my current ‘14 350 in for it!
2.4 is really small for a twin turbo. Each turbo would be fitted with 1.25 l of displacement, meaning your turbo would have limitations in the lower rev range. If a V6, it would have even more design problems.
If they would happen to go for a 2.5 V6, they would really surely opt for a single turbo located between the two cylinder banks. This is a race improved technique for quick boost without pedal lag.
I heard the new IS coming will have BMW inline 6 turbo.
Anything is possible but I really don't see this happening
In the U.K. Lexus are dropping the ct, is, and rc. At end of 2020. Not happy.
@james 699 My Dad has a new 2020 CT, its still on sale in the UK
To be fair the RC 300h is a big boat of a car, when I had the RC it was not engaging for anything. I loved the looks but it didn't match the performance or driving feel... :/
And i love the new styling ting sick..
I own a GSF. I love it, but I'd trade it in a second for a new ISF.
4:28 no fold in mirrors??
hmm.. car sales drop in 08/09? wonder why that was....
New Toyota /Lexus presentation shows that they will most likely be using a bmw motor in the new is. Looks like the is 350 may get the b58 from the sura which if so its gonna be fantastic
I can't find this information anywhere. All It makes very little sense to me for them to put a BMW motor in a Japanese built Lexus
@@KirkKreifels Matt Moran motoring put it out in his weekly news report and his sources have been pretty accurate on there predictions and information. It would make sense since they have the rights to use the motor and trans already and it's the same reason they didn't use the 3.5tt in the supra to begin with, lighter weight and better trans performance than theyve been able to make not to mention easy to make power. Would save them on cost as well since the motor is already on a tnga platform if I'm not mistaken.
I need to get rid of my money pit Audi for this.
What's wrong with it ? Miles ?
SimornM 123k milage and this ive spent the value of the carbon repairs blackstar4000.wordpress.com/2017/03/20/audi-oil-chain-pump-failure-resulting-in-engine-death-twice-audi-a4-tfsi-2-0t-b7-model-issues-since-2015-to-2017/
Pauli Pavle propaganda??? If you even suffered half of what I have you would feel the same. There are a few minority forums on what happened to me (as it happened to others to) and if u read my blog Audi customer service deceitfully denied any knowledge of my issue at first.
Alex Shafer 🤷🏾♂️
I would completely agree with the IS overstaying it's welcome, I'm a Tech at Lexus and Everytime you hop in a brand new IS it feels like a Lexus from 2014. Even the ES feels much better than the IS, which is pretty sad. They need to update it... Also the IS 250 has had the 4gr-fse motor since 2006 🤦🏼♂️
We haven't had the is 250 since 2015. So it ran for 9 years
@@KirkKreifels oh sorry, my wording wasn't very logical. The IS250 2ND gen had the 4gr-Fse (2.5 V6) for the longest time and had a huge issue with carbon build up. Lexus I believe made a campaign for any IS250 that had the carbon issue and gave them an all costs paid motor rebuild, with updated piston rings. I hope they don't have the same issue with their new twin turbo V6, I forget the name of the motor because I've never serviced an LS. I'm guessing it would be called a 2GR-FTS?
Ok this is what I've been waiting for 🤔🤓
It needs to have more rear legroom because it seems like the gs is been cancelled. I already believe it going to have a touchscreen because the rx already has it.
It does need to be a new model that’s how the Lexus LS died they kept it too long and went with a big refresh instead of a redesign. They should learn from that and stick to the 6 year rule not the 8-10 year rule.
I think 6yrs is way to long. I think a mid cycle refres should happen in 2yrs from the cars introduction. I mean hell all they do is change the bumpers, use different material choices add a few new tech,change the rims and alter the rear taillights. It really takes them 3yrs to do that ? But you are right that 2007/2017 was definitely what killed it for the LS. Making people wait so long for a redesigned they just decide to go with your competitors who are keeping there models fresh and up to date.
I don't care what anybody else says the Kern iteration of the is has some of the most sexiest looks in terms of luxuries aggressive Sports sedan. The is it's just a beautiful looking car if only I had an ambient lighting a little more modern tech little better infotainment system little more customisation interior and exterior such as the lights on the door Sills lights on the side mirrors and maybe you a light in the front to eliminate the Lexus logo it could be a very very beautiful car right out the lot instead you have to customize it all in with aftermarket
Do you plan to make video series like this on the other Lexus models
at european market problem is they are not competitive to other luxury brand like mercedes and bmw lexus offer better quality but they underpowered they need new IS F whit turbo V8 and base models need be more reliable for tune or just offer more power cuz its intelligent sport and it's not sport in it
They definitely need to change the IS lineup some way, shape, or form. What would also be a nice addition to looks is have it look something like their concept LC-CC design.
Great Video!
I hope they build a rattle-free IS and nothing like my 19 ES F-sport that makes a rattle over almost every bump in the road. Then it needs to have a Plug-in hybrid here in europe at least.
Flip Flop are you crazy ? why should i lie , this is my 6:th Lexus and i never had problem like this before!
When u look at the concept photos of the Lexus IS, especially in the rear exterior, kinda looks like a Benz A-class
So my lease on my cla 250 is up soon and I just left the Lexus dealer yesterday looking at an is350 f sport so I don’t know if I should just get one now or wait?!? Lol I do love the current body style. Also the finance manager told me the new engine will be a 3.0liter turbo from bmw he said with way more torque off the line
wait for the new one
I would say go for it now unless you see something that you think you might like more coming down the line. With the crisis currently going on I would think the prices are going to be the lowest that you'll ever be able to purchase one for. I love mine and have no complaints. If they discontinue the 3.5 v6 and replace it with something from BMW I won't be buying a new one. I've had IS350's exclusively from back in the 2IS days although I will admit the '15-'16' style are my favorite by far.
If you wait it will be a while!!
The matte purple rendering of the new IS is amazing but the renderings in blue just look absolutely hideous like it reminds me of a catfish
Don't forget the financial crisis back in 2008/2009. Next IS will have difficulties too as the automarket is tanking right now and the Corona crisis will instill its impact.
Btw if I were Lexus, I'd scrap the IS. It just doesn't generate enough sales and the small sedan market is dead anyway (at least in Europe).
Is the IS resale value in jeopardy?
PLEASE do the LS series
The best platform for their power train at this point, is the hybrid power plant
We are facing a global recession in front of us right now. My safe bet is IS 2021 will be the same until the dust settles OR there will be no 2021 IS until....2022 may be a All New Model by then. That's really depends upon the state of the global economy.
Sadly this could be the case
As a 2016 IS 350 F owner.... couldn’t agree with you more.
The ting is ppl wnt more hp.toyoya lexus just give it to them..with ur making and lng lasting..lexus cnt lose..the only thing german autos have to sell ppl.hp notting elese just crops..if i got 1hp give in to me.its toyota u cnt go wrong..
Dorran Robinson your comment gave me cancer
if new iS will have as much rum inside as curent GS i would say that they have made not a bad choice. But on my oppinion GS should stay. The sales of brand new GS would justify development cost, especially when there's ready platform and engines. Besides customers of GS wouldn't buy ES or even iS.
For the sales numbers. You have to take the 2008 recession into consideration
It’ll be really interesting if the new Nissan Z uses Mercedes’ new M274 and M256 engines. Then it’ll be like the 90s again and Nissan and Toyota use Inline 6’s and Inline 4’s, they’ll just be built by the Germans instead.
All Japanese automaker when they sell their cars, they should give more freedom of choice to the customer, special the luxury brand. Like if I want the better sound system, don't tell me I have to buy other stuff that I don't need as a package. Just do what ever the German competitor did, let the customer choose what they want, they can wait for 2~3 month to get the stuff they want, this is how the luxury brand should be like!
Scrap it and make it all new
And please make it as close to 300hp as you can.
I'd like a more powerful hybrid.
Looks good
The next IS must be bigger and wider, see Civic size
Its time to change my lexus gs450h. I went to local lexus dealer, looked at new RX and ES . Both are ugly. Moronic futuristic design with huge grills . Even my wife was disappointed.
I think im gonna go for Tesla model S🤔
I love my 2019 in Atomic silver
They aren't planning a redesign in 2021, just a refresh. That's already been confirmed
Says who ? lol
Jeff Brisson nooo please! This one is already extremely old and outdated and needs a redesign
I work for Lexus for 12 years now and the 2021 is a refresh not a redesign. They are still debating on what to do with it by keeping it or discontinue it. If they redesign it won't be for another 2 years.
Ari Truths if they choose to refresh it they’re gonna have to discontinue it later on
@@aritruths1452 I read this too. The ES sells more. Maybe they offer an AWD and RWD ES instead. With current situation it might make sense to take a break from IS for a couple years.
Can you start covering Acura and Genesis too? Hahaha
Haha I've thought about it...maybe in the future
Kirk, your clips would be so much better if you took a more global view of the Toyota/ Lexus range rather than simply a North American view. There are global strategies at play.
Lexus would look good if they got rid of their new grills
It will not hit 60 in 4s. 4.5s min.
Their sales will stay in the tank as long as they refuse to put a manual transmission back into it
Amand Lockhart That’s the reason they don’t make them anymore because NOBODY BOUGHT THEM🤦🏽♂️
The current lexus Is, is more of a gen 2.5
Yes I agree
You may not care - NuLuxe may be ok - but I'm not a big fan of artificial plastic leather as cows are not an endangered species! A car with that price point should offer real leather.
BMW straight 6 isf
I Just bought one hmmm bad choice.
Adrián Espinosa u clearly don’t do your research
They HAVE to get rid of that HIDEOUS grille. Have owned several Lexuss until the advent of the stupid, ugly spindle predator grille...will not look at another Lexus until its gone
B58 engine from Supra is my wish for IS.
2008 to 2014. Economy was real bad
my mums 2014 IS gets 50mpg regularly :)