I Drive The Electric Toyota bZ4X Front Wheel Drive For The First Time!
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- Jordan brings us his impressions from the Toyota BZ4X in front-wheel-drive variant! He discusses the differences from the AWD model and how FWD EVs compare to RWD counterparts.
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Perfect SUV for a Prius Prime owner going full electric. Toyota will sell lots of these thanks to price and solid Toyota quality. Yes quirky but its fine!
The price. Let’s see how much they are once on dealer lot. Toyota isn’t planning to make many of these so expect to pay more. At which point the value proposition goes away.
Toyota's "Quality" is grossly over-exaggerated!
I'm a 'burned' Corolla owner...nice looking car still, but has been a pain in the ass mechanically with very expensive out of warranty repairs: Radiator problems, rear camber problems, electronic fuel injection problems...it never ends.
@@swanvictor887 my only bad Corolla experience dates back to 1983, last year of the rwd model. They came out with a belt driven 1.6 litre engine, liquid cooled carburetor and it never ran right. The older 1.8 were indestructible. Modern cars are all very similar engineering wise. Not much to differentiate one brand from another. It'll get worst with BEV. They'll just stick different labels on Chinese cars and call it a day.
@@antoinepageau8336 They already are! The Toyota BZ4 is a BYD.!!
It’s time…
Many have complained about the dearth of “affordable” EVs. Yet, all the car reviews I read and watch compare any and all EVs to the likes of Tesla Model S, Porsche, MB, BMW, et al…
Endless comparisons of HP, 0-60 times, premium materials, etc… all end up putting down any kind of affordable EV because they don’t live up to Roadster standards.
Time to let that mentality go. It’s not doing the widespread adoption of EVs any good. Anyone with any sense is already well aware of the top tier brands and models. That info is out there.
Let’s encourage manufacturers to produce economy models - affordable, durable, reliable. Yes, they won’t have all the gee whiz top notch gizmos. That’s not the MO of an affordable vehicle.
Can we get some real world reviews of real world models? Those reviews don’t have to insincerely hype bad products, but they don’t have to knock them down simply because they’re more affordable, either.
Amen!!!!
I think the issue people have is that you don't need to compromise on those things. For the same price as this, you can get a much better car from Toyota's competitors. Yes, this is fine for what it is, but it's also fair to be disappointed that BZ4X is not very competitive in its segment.
Can't wait to see the charging curve of the fwd model. Just wondering how it compares to the awd.
Fast ... for 2017. Slow for 2022.
@@ScubaSteveCanada Just curious, how do you know how fast the FWD bZ4X charges?
It took 30 min from 0 to 70% at 120kW max in others video (not fast but acceptable I guess)
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I thought the FWD could charge at 150Kw? I want to see Kyle do a full charging curve on this.. like he did the AWD.. which was HORRIBLE.. at the top end.
Why Toyota needed two separate battery manufacturers is beyond me. both batteries are basically the same capacity. But have radically different peak charging.
@@kens97sto171 It may be highly due to Toyota's stricter safety requirements, and note that both batteries have lots of buffer (probably 10 kwh)
I’ve had a RAV4 EV 2013 for six years and it’s front wheel drive as well. Although the entire powertrain was built by Tesla I had no issue with front wheel drive on this vehicle.
Great news Ty for sharin
Has this guy lived in a snowy climate? AWD is a price hike. FWD is cheaper and still good in the snow.
My first thought also.
He is from texas but now lives in Colorado.
torque steer is especially bad with fwd EV’s , no? having that second motor in the rear should help . if you’re going to make a single motor ev, make it a rwd
Really nice review. Thanks! I look forward to your other tests on this and the AWD bZ4X. I have the Subaru Solterra on order.
Thanks Jordan, for this really great review.
I think you're putting far too much emphasis on the FWD. It's likely saving Toyota assembly time and reducing costs which can translate to more competitive pricing; which will be critical in the coming years if they have to drop prices. It's likely saving space in the rear. Plus it's typically far better in winter scenarios without needing to buy a set of winter tires.
The charge plug... I mean are we really complaining about having to push a second tab to open the DCFC plug? Bit surprised you didn't mention the sunshade on the moonroof as not all cars have one. Nor did you show the trunk space. You pointed out the lack of HVAC controls in the rear, which at this price point is expected. Definitely agree on the complaints about the gloss black and the phone charger situation. but in terms of data connection, does this have wireless? Android Auto / Apple Carplay?
"Not Tesla acceleration"... Yeah well the model Y starts at $63,000, and this is about $34.5k after tax credit ... so there is that. Lol... like ... why would one even think to compare acceleration on these two vehicles? You could buy two of these for the price of the entry level model Y.
Doesn't this vehicle have good ground clearance as well, making it good for off road scenarios... say to get to a camp site? No mention of road noise or road feel at all in this review.
People in the market for this car will buy it as a reliable all purpose appliance to get them from point A to point B using its large size and utility.
No one is buying this car as a sport car to floor around corners with traction control off... or floor it in general. This is why a good mix of reviewers is always a good thing. Where's the "grandma reviews cars" channel with a person who mostly cares about how quiet and smooth the car drives, how easy it is to get in, visibility, how easy it is to operate and find everything they're looking for. IMO, concentrating reviews so heavily on performance may be great for people who want a performance car, but it does very little for your every day driver. If performance is being prioritized, then why review this car at all?
Now if you said something like "The FWD takes away from the turning circle"... then that would be a good complaint for every day driving.
Great Review Jordan!
In snowy climate with half frosen slush strings, front or four wheel drive is the only option, if you dont want to die, so, I dispute your anti frontwheel drive stance.
Do you get the Renault Megane-E in the US? That one will be a hugh seller over here I guess.
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Doing a range test with the Megane E-tech (60 kWh usable) next week here in Iceland, very excited!
Wise words from someone who grew up in northern Minnesota!
Price: Begins at $42,000. The higher Limited trim starts at $46,700.
Acceleration: 0-60-mph in 7.1 seconds with front drive and 6.5 with all-wheel drive.
It's a bit quicker than that. Saw some car journalists at an event. They were consistently getting 6.8 in the FWD and 6.2 in the AWD.. Not a huge difference. and Either is plenty for someone coming from a gas powered Rav4 or similar car.
@@kens97sto171 Car journalists deducting 1ft runout?
@@abraxastulammo9940 No they must be kind to poor Toyota. Better numbers for the OEMs worse numbers for Tesla of course. Everybody against Tesla. Just as it should be 😂😅
BZ4X FWD LE 52.379,- AWD XLE 66.249,- Model Y LR white/white 65.440,- If i am a Toyota worshipper i would certainly buy this hideous thing. But I’m not.
@@abraxastulammo9940
No.. they were using those windshield timers... Can't remember the name of them.
We need more EVs on the road.
Not everyone is an enthusiast. Front wheel drive makes more sense in areas with mild winters.
The FWD seems less disappointing than the AWD. I feel this is going to end up being the seller, especially when people realize it's paradoxically a better road tripper than the AWD car
Fwd is better, cheaper then awd, lower weight, better range, good in rain occasionally snow. If your not in the snow belt (I’m not, thank goodness), fwd is better.
bz4x FWD v id4 RWD in snow? (or bz2f v id2 as I call them). I wonder if bz may have advantages like fwd and ground clearance and turning radius
I prefer FWD, makes me feel more in control when steering... also, hope to see your standard 70mph range test with FWD to compare with Kia/Hyundai numbers...
This one in the video has 20-inch wheels so range may get worse than standard 18-inch.
FWD means weight savings of ca 100 kg (cables and cooling) and more free space for rear passenger row and boot compared to RWD. Most likely better in snow also.
Having spent 5 winters in Quebec with a front wheel drive bev, I concur that it is a mistake for an EV, since the weight balance is closer to 50:50, meaning there is not the traditional advantage of the weight over the front axle to make it work. You need awd for snow in an EV.
Weight does not significantly affect range of an ev
@@ProfessorHamer it does if you live in hilly Iceland. But the biggest difference is in handling. This has been noted by car reviewers that have tested the Nissan Ariya and Renault Megane E-tech.
@@ProfessorHamer Not so sure about that. Just the weight of wheels of different sizes makes a range difference.
Very interesting video! The Toyota bZ4X looks great. It appears to have been well thought out in terms of practicality and space. 🚗 ⚡
Compare ID.4 vs BZ4X Also passenger space between the two. Also charging curve.
We need more reviewers like him 👍
sounds very whiny
FWD is better for regen than RWD
why is it so different from canada? I have now the BZ4X LE and it is FWD but i dont have a wireless charger and from the looks of it too your back up camera screen is more detailed when i only have like the standard backup camera for mine
I assume the camera off center in the front would be due to the hood latch mechanism but no idea why it's that way in the back.
It seemed like you were getting a lot of cabin noise. Any reason for that? Was it just that particular recording or is the cabin really that noisy?
The cabin was actually impressively quiet, the GoPro camera just captured a lot of ambient noise.
Like a lot of people posted here. RWD isn't the best for certain climate issues like heavy snow or rain, especially snow. A FWD vehicle provides better handling in those situations, as well as better handling in curves. If and when a car like this is made available (with a few changes to the positions of the interior climate controls, and infotainment connection points) they would likely be more appealing to people who already drive FWD vehicles. And know FWD has better handling than RWD in varied climate situations.
My Leaf is front wheel drive and has been fine. My last Nissan was also front though.
Funnily enough this Toyota has more power than my 30kWh leaf and also appears to have a better sound system than the BOSE I have
Front camera off center because hood latch is centered.
I just heard that the FWD model is not available in the North East USA. I can only order AWD from the dealer. I rather have the extra range at 252 vs 228. Guess I have no choice if i want the bz4x in my region?
Living in Pennsylvania, I'm very curious how a FWD EV will handle in the snow. Jaded with ICE AWD suvs. Too much to breakdown. I would probably opt for the AWD Ev anyway. Just curious if there is a beneficial range difference.
Fwd will always have better range
Thanks for your drive review of this new EV, which is the sister car of Subaru's new Solterra that I am planning on buying when it finally debuts next year. Not a fan of the front wheel drive in Toyota's test drive model. I much prefer Subaru's all-wheel drive version of this EV, and I like Subaru's styling over what Toyota did with their alphabet mashup version. However, there is one thing I've been trying to get an answer for, so far without success, so I'm hoping you can enlighten me. In your drive review, you had a brief mention about the one-pedal braking feature. Since you don't have to put your foot on the brake to bring the car to a stop, when exactly do the brake lights come on? I'm hoping the answer is that when you let up off of the accelerator pedal and the car starts slowing down, that will activate the brake lights. Otherwise, if you don't need to step on the brake pedal, how are drivers behind you to know the car in front is slowing or stopping in time to avoid a potential collision?
I have zero problem with it being front wheel over rear especially in the snow belt if anything given the battery and charging issues this will become the main seller it’s just a shame Toyota have followed every other ev maker ditching the rear wiper and cleaner fitting a terrible looking spoiler that does nothing at traffic speed but more , put it back a camera is useless in snow
All looking f. Good !
Yeah! 'Wheel Spin! Wheel Spin!'
Wrap that BLACK😮
Is FWD charging speed much better?
Rivians are front wheel drive in conserve mode.
I imagine the fwd in this car would be different than in an ice vehicle. In an ice vehicle, there is a considerable amount of weight in the front due the engine which may improve traction in snowy conditions. No sure if the same benefits are there in an EV with a different weight distribution.
Toyota is the real king of automobile, it unlike someone just rely on selling the stocks
awww bless, guess you're really going to miss them when they go out of business. My wife drives a Toy Corolla, bought new and its been a pain in the arse! Toys reputation is hugely overblown. Hope they sell lots of these Chinese made BYDs as Toy lose about $5000 on every one sold....!
To me, front wheel drive in an EV makes no sense. It increases front tire wear, can have issues with torque steer and CV joints.
On the other hand it's a familiar setup for most "average" drivers who are used to FWD-based vehicles. But I do agree that vehicles like this, the Kona EV etc have too much torque for only the front wheels to handle.
Fwd can have unlimited regen while rwd is often limited for stabilization/dynamic weight shift
Better regen
@@ccc_sss_111 Only in the dry. In the wet front regen can be an actual danger as those wheels have more than one purpose.
@@videosbystofferson3945 Dont worry, it is highly well coordinated with 4-wheel mechanical brakes via brake by wire, for which they have knowledge over decades, and now they have applied steer by wire as well.
I love the style especially the front. So much better than current Lexus tough looping huge ugly front but boy it is noisy inside.
Reason why is front wheel drive again is because you need a lot of weight in the front looked appeals to you doing snow if you don’t have all wheel drive
Seems like a nice enough car. I expect people who want AWD will go with Subaru since it's essentially the same car for a few thousand cheaper. Except for the Toyota brand loyalists of course.
If I would like driving SUV ... which I definitely don't ... this would be my first pick for EV (FWD version).
Toyota's lax technology over the last several years has me taking pause to purchase their first BEV.
Wow, it’s so loud in the cabin as you drive through the neighborhoods…
Time to put one of these next to a loaded RAV4.
Outside isn’t bad the Dash is Horrible, range is horrible too if you want to gauge range take a gas equivalent vehicle range and make the EV same when towing max weight at -25 degrees
I don’t mind FWD, but at least throw in a spare tyre in return for that. That’s one thing Nissan’s done right with the Ariya.
Normally I prefer front wheel drive for improved traction in the snow (live in the northeast), but I did not purchase the GM Bolt 3 years ago because it was almost impossible to start from a stop without chirping the front wheels. While this might seem fun, loosing traction not only creates excessive wear on the front wheels, but is terrible for traction, which is a safety issue. This was one of the reasons I opted for an AWD Tesla M3 at the time. If I lived in a non-snowy area, I would definitely prefer this vehicle to be RWD.
no V2L.. no 800 Volt battery....no frunk ..unknown OTA updates.. come on toyota...
A real-world test is try getting to the supermarket and back with it.
X Mode is a Subaru trademarked feature and since all Subarus are AWD, Subaru wouldn't allow that branding on the FWD Toyota.
Toyota owns stake in Subaru, and there will be much more use of Toyota platforms going forward, so branding isn’t likely an issue. BRZ is RWD!
@@PeteLenz A relatively small stake, like 30% right? All of Subaru's branding is built on its AWD capability (on and off road). I still think Subaru would be very reluctant to see X Drive branding applied to anything not AWD.
Toyota has BYD make this based on a BYD model.
You've been misled. This was designed entirely by a cooperative team of Toyota and Subaru engineers. And it's built in Japan at the Motomachi plant where Lexus is built.
@@StevenHoagland Built in Japan: Toyota, Aichi (Motomachi plant) China: Guangzhou (GAC Toyota); Tianjin (FAW Toyota) You're right. BYD is involved with the ev Corolla and hybrids.
I guess that's the next one (bz sedan?) Toyota will release this year with BYD probably in China only. Toyota has many alliances but the battery in AWD Bz4x is designed by Toyota, made by CATL, and validated by Toyota of course.
@@StevenHoagland the ICE version is built in Japan...NOT THE EV. Japan and its makers have rejected EVs completely.
@@swanvictor887 I guess that's why Toyota will have 15 new BEV models by 2025 and 30 new BEV models by 2030, and Lexus will be 100% BEV by 2030 because they've "rejected EVs completely."
No rear wiper = same mistake as Ioniq 5.
my brain automatically asumes that a car with "4x" in the name would be all wheel or 4 wheel drive
were is this car? i'll go buy the auto right now
To me, the biggest problem with the bZ4X is the charging time. From what I've read, it's worse than the Bolt in the real world. I think that's 100% fine for a commuter car, but it's disappointing that they're so far behind the rest of the industry.
why does everyone think FWD has better snow traction when EVs are 50/50 weight distribution? Wouldnt you want traction on the axle that has the more weight?
"Directional stability". Do you push a wheelbarrow through tough surfaces or turn it around and pull it?
In slippery conditions, FWD pulls the vehicle in the direction the front wheels are turning.
BMW i4 is rear heavy like a 911. 😁
Range test? Observed efficiency?
so this should be a bZ2X
I don’t care for the styling.
If you are into performance this is not the car to get.
Love the “couple of complaints” the whole review was a Complaint!!
If the shoe fits...
Waaaaaay too much piano black, especially in a family oriented vehicle. Otherwise, some interesting design choices.
I would much rather have FWD.
The front of the car looks looks like what the people who made Demolition Man thought cars would look like in the future.
It’s a pass for me.
It's a really good looking EV. A lot of things still bother me about this car. First the name just turns me off. Worst automotive name ever. You've got to be drunk out your mind to even think about a name like this. Next, passenger seat has NO electric adjustment. Seriously is this 2022 or the 80's? Ridiculous that front seat passengers still have a freaking manually adjust their seat. Epic fail. And I haven't even mention the most important things like range and charging options. Lol.
Right!! It’s like Toyota decided to use 2016 technology to make their 2022 cars! Price and horrible 20-80 fast charging would make it a no go for me!! Bonus I don’t love the style or the name! Isn’t the 4X part of the name to indicate 4 wheel drive! Shouldn’t this be a BZ2X?
You're a fan until your first roadtrip. This car is only practical for around town.
I would love to see the Legacy Brand companies coming out with more than just cross-over type cars...We need more sedans.
The interior is horrid, from the gauge cluster debacle to the shiny plastic and cheap plasticky look and feel. Ergonomic nightmare. Not that a Camry of the past 20 years has been any better.
The interior looks like a sea of grey plastic, I'm not a fan
and shiny black plastic to remind you of your human dander
7 grand too expensive
Can't tell if it's the car or camera work that's making me nauseous
One of these recently arrived at a local Toyota main dealership here in England-Had a look it’s Atrocious inside and out
Even worse than Atrocious when you see the price of it
This is an EV which is at least 5 years out of date and looks as if it was developed and built in a rush
Can’t see it selling well over here 🚗👎
Ev6 beats this 6-0
What th hell is that background noise sounds like ur on train tracks
Great job/review ty for ur time
If it was RWD 0-100 time will drop to 6 sec
Charging is the issue. so slow, from what I've seen.
Toyota Just can't help themselves with making an EV some quirky pseudofuturistic monstrosity. You don't get new EV customers like that. You get more customers by them saying "wow, that's a sexy car... wait, that's an EV?" Not "Let me get an EV... eh... that design is quirky." It's like they don't want to sell these things. Why don't these car makers just put the PRND as buttons in the dash to the left of the screen. Save that space.
Oh and one more thing fire the idiot that came up with the name BZ4X…… I would buy a Subaru Solterra before I would buy a “Bz4x”
Meh
Tire traction is a function of the coefficient of grip and weight over the tire. ICE FWD cars are around 65/35 in front-rear weight distribution. For EV with a 50/50 weight distribution it theoretically shouldn't matter except maybe for oversteer with RWD vs understeer with FWD. When engineered well, EV systems have much better traction control than ICE because it's instant and you don't have engine fighting the brakes. But this is Toyota which is notorious for horrendous driving dynamics and stability control engineering (RAV4 Prime snap oversteer as a case-in-point). People are going to buy these FWD things and then complain about terrible tread life on the front tires.
With 50/50 weight distribution you want RWD because weight shifts to the rear axle under acceleration and when climbing hills. I can only image how bad this vehicle will be trying to climb inclines in the snow.
wow... people laugh at 'Tesla fan-boys' and claim they're all blinded by Musk, yet, reading the comments, I would say there are as many utterly blind, devoted Toyota disciples, equally as daft!
While I find the Tesla fan-base amusing, at least I can see their point as Tesla seems to be leaving the rest of the auto industry in its wake...but the amazing, sheer blind brand loyalty to Toyota is astonishing too. Pity really: they're gonna miss them when they go bust.....
Meh. Wouldn't buy it. Weird front styling with that mustache and sideburns look, like the Mach-e droopy mustache looking front. Why clutter up the external styling on so many EVs, especially the BMW "monkey butt" grill where you just need a minimal low scoop inlet for cooling. The Countach, McLaren, Lamborghini, Ferrari styling manages to get air in without some massive snarling grill out front. The Corvette 13-toothed shark front set the sport coupe style for decades but around the same time the MGA grill was low key. It's just an odd element driven by buyers who want big grills as some sort of identity marker. Look at the Ford, Dodge Ram and other American pickups. Ford is smart to keep that look on the Lightning as a way to retain the F-150 cult.
This is a subpar product. Toyota needs to fix a lot of things starting with the NAME. Bz4x sounds funny & is just stupid.
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Bro no one cares if its front wheel drive, if people cared they wouldn't engineer it like that.
who designed this car? a 2 year old? its terrible. There is not a single thing that i like about this car.
Why is it so ugly?
Total disappointment on so many levels. And I’m a Toyota fan. The front fenders are ridiculous looking as the horribly busy dash to the embarrassing performance, charge speed and price. I’ll wait. Oh the name bz…whatever is un-rememberable.
I think Toyota missed a great opportunity with the BZ. There is nothing about this car that makes me even want to look at one, and the name inspires nothing. In my opinion this car is completely lackluster. Toyota could have done so much better, but they didn't.
Excellant car but don’t like the presenter, he’s not very professional
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