This is the most cursed car review I’ve ever seen, its true art. Even the camera photography was made robotic and synthesized. Y’all are masters at making the most fun out of not so fun car products. Its wild to think that this might be a new favorite from y’all along with legends reviews 😂
Savagegeese's review on the Toyota BZ4X EV is a remarkable piece of work. The visuals are outstanding and provide viewers with a comprehensive look at the vehicle's design and features. The entertaining duo adds a level of humor and personality to the review that makes it engaging and enjoyable to watch. What's most impressive about the review is the consumer perspective. Savagegeese not only evaluates the car from a technical standpoint but also considers how it would fit into a potential buyer's life. This approach gives viewers a better understanding of the car's practicality, performance, and value. Overall, the review is a testament to Savagegeese's expertise in the automotive industry and his ability to create compelling and informative content.
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I absolutely loved SavageGeese's latest TH-cam video where he used AI to review the Toyota bZ4X! It was not only informative but also entertaining, making it a joy to watch from start to finish. SavageGeese's mastery of AI technology was truly impressive, as he used it to provide an in-depth analysis of the bZ4X's features and capabilities. The way he presented the information was also quite engaging, making it easy to follow along and understand even the most technical aspects of the car. One of the things I appreciate about SavageGeese's reviews is that he always goes beyond the surface-level features of the vehicle, diving deep into the engineering and design aspects of the car. His insights into the bZ4X's battery technology and regenerative braking system, for example, were fascinating and informative. Overall, I highly recommend SavageGeese's latest video to anyone who is interested in learning more about the Toyota bZ4X. It's an excellent review that provides a comprehensive and insightful look at one of the most innovative electric vehicles on the market today. Great job, SavageGeese!
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Why would its wheels fall off? I'm really sick of this silly comment. The recall was from June to October of last year when it was fixed and it didn't happen to any customer. At the same time, wheels did break off of Tesla's customers' cars yet we don't have to read about wheels falling off of Tesla reviews all the time.
@Benjamin Smith - because Toyota and Subaru dealers were telling people to not bother with the car because they couldn’t even sell them till they had parts to fix the wheel issue…well at least in October when I bought a WRX. That Subaru dealer had 3 Solterras on the lot and he was unhappy to even have them. Couldn’t let anyone test drive, couldn’t deliver them, didn’t want to sell them…
the toyota bz4x is the car ever. it sometimes has 4 wheels, works, and can bring you from point a-b. it has features, adjacent door handles for passengers- who can sit in the car also. you can opt for gray if you're tired of black and white and want to switch things up as well
Your comment makes no sense because this isn't a Lexus, its the base model electric vehicle offering from Toyota. It is exactly what it is made for. The market that buys this is looking for exactly this, and the market that buys a GR Corolla is incredibly smaller, an almost anti-intellectual comparison to make.
They are capable for so much more but that isn't the consumer they are targeting. This is targeted towards the middle class person living in the city who wants to own an affordable EV. If you want the extra bells and whistles, you'll need to look outside of Toyota or wait for a Lexus EV to come out.
At $40k, its competitors include Hyundai and Kia, who have a pair of smash hits in the Ioniq 5 and EV 6. This Toyota looks phoned-in, like when GM got complacent and lazy.
@@LJ-wo1wf Comparing Hyundai and Kia to Toyota is like comparing Walmart's clothing selection to a designer store. Completely non-sensical to consider those car manufacturers as ever being competition to Toyota.
I couldn't make it to the end of this review. I had to run out immediately and purchase one of these vehicles. I am in the Arby's drive thru waiting on my daily roast beef and jamocha shake fix. Thank you Savage Geese for this incredible human-like review.
That felt so weird looking at Ai mark. Made me uncomfortable, but for some reason i wanted more. With the range drop you experienced while turning on hvac, I cannot see myself driving this in Canada.
I'm willing to give most things a chance but I've sat in one of these twins. The orientation of the wheel and the instrument cluster was a no go. I was surprised they'd release it like that. they fixed it for the Prius so the feedback clearly reached them.
The range dropping from the HVAC is hilarious. EV is gonna have to get good with managing range and not dropping like a rock to not freeze or cook depending on the season
There's something hilariously wrong with this vehicle. I have an electric VW e-Up, it has a resistive heater not a fancy heatpump, and you lose maybe 10-20 miles of range off the total when you turn the heating on. I have no idea what toyota is doing.
This is a Toyota-specific issue, pretty much, and I don't understand it. My 2020 Chevy Bolt uses resistive heat and I don't lose anywhere NEAR that kind of range when I turn on the heat. My Tesla Model Y uses a heat pump and the range drop is basically unnoticeable. Almost every mainstream EV, including the venerable Nissan Leaf, is better at heating the cabin without tanking range to the level they were seeing.
The BZ has a heated steering wheel, heated seats and radiant heaters on top of the HVAC. I have also found the range to be calculated when one turns on the HVAC, a percentage. For example, if it says it has 30 miles left w/o HVAC on, once on, it goes to 24 miles.
Jack reaction about the 60 miles drop was on point😄 This is exactly why I bought an Outlander PHEV. For the first month ownership I've average 47 mpg. For an awd suv that I don't have range anxiety or get warm in our Canadian winter it's a win for me. No cvt either👌
The “drop” is pretty much normal. The computer just literally calculates the power consumption *at that moment*, i.e. when you just started the heater and thus the heater will be in full power. Once the cabin is heated enough (which should only takes couples of minutes) the heater will slow down and the range calculation/power consumption will return to normal.
@@jwalker7567 greetings from Canada, I also have to deal with condensation when driving in winter. I'll run the air conditioning in winter to help remove the condensation, it does work. Give it a try see if it works for you, cheers.
I was able to drive the Subaru version of this car. This is definitely a first gen thing. Nobody should buy one for another couple years until they figure it out.
I drove a Solterra as well. I liked it a lot, but agree with waiting for a second gen. Also if Chevy comes through with a 30k Equinox, that will sell more and qualify for the US tax benefits
Travelling in a freezing cold vehicle in order to eke out sufficient range - it's like Apollo 13, but with a "Main B-Bus Undervolt" condition that's there by design...
Wow, SavageGeese, your latest video was a fantastic blend of informative analysis and entertaining commentary. I really appreciated the depth of your research and attention to detail, and your delivery kept me engaged from start to finish. Keep up the great work!
Having driven an EV, heating the interior doesn't actually hit the battery that hard. In the moment, it's calculating its output and concluding that you only have x range left, but it doesn't account for the fact that once the interior is warmed up, it doesn't have to work nearly as hard. So my 2017 Chevy Bolt used to cruise at highway speeds at 10-15 kwh (it's been a while, so this probably isn't exact, but it's demonstrative). When I turned the heater on, that went up to 25-30 kwh. But it only did that for like 5-10 minutes, after which it returned to its maintenance levels. It definitely burned more battery in that time, but I only ever really lost a few miles of range. Basically, the cold battery itself caused WAY more efficiency loss than running the heater. At least that was my experience in a climate that never really got below freezing. I guess YMMV up north (literally!).
Several times I have also read recommendations people use remote "start" to preheat the cabin etc while the ev is still theoretically plugged in at home. Still, all EVs are going to take this hit. Perhaps Toyota needs to make their range calculator a bit less sensitive. Good candidate for one of those OTA updates.
I forget where I read it, but heated seats might be better in a "perceived comfort per wattage" way than blowing warm air. I don't have an EV myself but maybe I could at least compare how nice I feel with just heated seats versus just warm HVAC air.
Fair point, although what this still reveals to us is the shocking revelation that that electric car doesn't have a SmArT or InTeLiGaNt range calculation algoreithm. 😱
And the Bolt uses a resistive heater that heats a coolant that then heats the cabin. Probably the most inelegant, inefficient design there is. So a heat pump would almost definitely be an improvement.
@@Dowlphin funny enough, my bolt didn't have that problem. It averaged your usage over the past x miles, so it was generally pretty close. What would happen is that if you drove differently or in different conditions, you'd burn 2 miles of range for every mile you drove. Hard to say which is better. I think you just get used to whatever your car uses.
Toyota does not want consumers to want EVs, and they made one accordingly. The Tesla Model Y and Hyundai Ioniq/EV6 are everything that this car is not, and they are cars enthusiasts like myself want to own and drive. Thanks for the honest review.
Good analogy, and I remember that from other Toyotas. There was also a regional model of a Prius or such that I perceived as "granny's tenth facelift".
The brilliance and creativity of the monologues/dialogues, amazing production quality, and insightful remarks make this the perfect car channel on the whole internets.
09:01 Jack's right about building more PHEVs and Hybrids for regular commuters. One could build 4 PHEVs or many more hybrids with the battery an EV requires. Our commuter is a PHEV and all of our commute is EV. We don't have to worry about public charging on long drives.
PHEV makes so much more sense. It also doesn't assume everyone can plug in at home! Many, many people do not have a wall outlet next to their parking space / street spot / apartment carport.
You don't have to worry about re-charing but you do have to worry about lugging a battery around with a fossil fuel powered engine. PHEVs are far worse in practice because many people do not plug them in. Then there is the cost of the battery and the additional complexity. At some stage somebody will realise the most efficient and truly sustainable solution is a simple NA gas engine. Probably with no more than 2 valves per cylinder and push rods..🙂
@@jamescaley9942 sorry James, I have to disagree with you on that one. In my personal experience, our gasoline consumption was cut by three quarters. When it comes to power efficiencies, nothing beats electric. We only "lug" an empty battery on long trips and still achieve upwards of 40 mpg.
The same way a 100% gas car makes no sense, a 50% gas car makes no sense. To drill, transport, refine, transport, pump that gas in your PHEV has used more energy than it takes to power a pure EV. The entire idea is dumb.
@@gnoxycat I'm excited about the EV future too but I choose to put my points across without any emotion. Sorry my comment riled you up. I suggest you reread my comment. I literally said we cut out 75% of our gas usage. The only time we use gas is when we drive more than 60 miles at a time which is once a month. For our situation a phev is perfect. Sorry we don't fit your idealized version of a family that can use EVs exclusively. Since you brought intelligence into question, might I remind you that ignorance is far more acceptable than assumption of total knowledge. Have a good day sir.
This is why I love your reviews, you guys actually call out the garbage aspects of cars. Some reviewers just paint a pretty picture and that's it. You guys keep it real.
Totally agree on what they said about Toyota just not doing this thing at all. It's far better to do nothing than to put out crap that only drags down their brand name. Heck, Toyota already said they wouldn't be embracing 100% electric technology anyway. They'd rather focus on hybrid, hydrogen and other alternative energy methods, so just do THAT, Toyota...
Yes, Toyota sort of dropped the ball on the BZ4X. It doesnt look THAT bad. Maybe all one color would be better. I was one who was on the waiting list for one. A Rav4 XSE hybrid tech/winter/pano roof packages, came available and my salesman called me. I couldnt be happier with my Rav4, and glad at the right moment/time in 2022, and I snatched it up quick. I was waiting 4 months for it to be built. With people in a waiting time frame for a Rav4 model “you want” if you can, for me it was worth the wait.
Unless the situation is so bad that the Matrix takes this completely serious. We live in a world where it is hard to figure out whether you're talking to a glitchy AI or a glitchy human, where when you perceive robotic behavior, it is equally likely to be either one.
Thank you, Jarkbot, for your cromulent engineering assessment 🙏. Another solid video, guys...I have to agree with Jack's assessment here, that Akio Toyoda had to feel incredibly "meh" about having to produce this product. It does come across as a compliance product - look at how fantastic people say the Mirai is (the vehicle itself, ignoring the infrastructure issues), and that's just an engineering development exercise.
"My boyfriend called me a pig..."! Well, that last line was the icing on the cake, a terrific video that nails the problems that Toyota have with moving to an EV future. As a very satisfied Toyota customer for the last 17 years (currently have a RAV4 Hybrid) it really is very sad to see them just not trying to develop a good EV car(s). Maybe the new CEO can do a 180 and get them going in the right direction. I really hope so.
Akio stepped down as CEO but remains chairman. The new CEO seems more open to EVs. I actually side with Akio though. Smaller batteries work better for most daily commuting, and they can build a lot more RAV4/Prius Primes than BZ4Xs. Infrastructure and tech isn’t quite there yet.
You are the only ones who have reviewed this car to point out the obvious, that Toyota did not want to make this car and made it only because it felt it had to. That said, and I've said this on other reviews, this and its Lexus twin are not being pointed at the broad market but are being offered primarily as something to keep the members of their very brand-loyal customer base who want BEVs in the fold. They aren't making very many of them and will have no problem selling the volume they're planning to ship. This is all, of course, very cynical, but no more so than the decisions made by many businesses.
Would have been a much better car if it were revived with the Matrix nameplate, given a ~275 mile range, some decent styling and creative interior configurability, priced at $35K. That's how you move the needle on getting EV's to gain traction with mainstream buyers. Or better yet, design it as a dedicated Plug-In Hybrid. No one will care about this product in 1-2 years time, I guarantee it. Nonetheless, an amazing and hilarious/disturbing review once again from SG!
Hilarious...still lifting myself off the floor rolling in laughter. ChatGPT marketing vs good honest Journalism "loose 60 miles of range just turning on the heat" win's all the time 👍 Well done guys
CH-R build team: How can we take the successful Matrix, make it use more gas, have less interior and cargo space, look more like an SUV but remove the AWD and manual transmission options? The only positive thing I can find to say about it is that it had an optional teal that brought back nice early 90s memories of Accords and Civics.
The worst part is every other market in the world got the best options for it - Japan and Europe had a 1.2 turbo or 1.8 hybrid, Europe got the manual - both got nicer amenities. We got stuck with the most underpowered, stripped out version. It was the same story with the Honda HR-V coming from JP/Euro Honda Vezel.
You guys absolutely f*ing rock! Toyota is tending to doom, most of the products are s*it right now, but the youtubers out there are gushing over this trash. Thanks for making GREAT content, always GREAT. Thanks!
The proof is in the sales. Toyota is the top selling make on the planet. Until they are not, there's no reason for them to change anything. It's one thing for youtubers to gush over the products, but they must not be that bad if people keep buying them.
@@gs98999 there are exceptions. But most of them are just horrid products. The fact that people buy these models makes me feel sorry for their absolute gullibility
It is amazing that you didn’t even mention the worst aspect of this vehicle. The charging is literally deplorable. The range would almost be tolerable if the charging wasn’t so slow.
"Compliance Car" hits the nail on the head. I tend to agree with Toyota in that hybrid cars are a better choice at this point in time. The power grid is woefully unprepared for 300 million cars and another 4 million giant semi trucks being plugged in every night. The grid along with battery technology needs to make several leaps ahead before EV cars are practical on a mass scale.
Toyota is correct. You can build 8 hybrids using the same limited resources it takes to build one of these. That means 8 very efficient hybrid vehicles on the road instead of one Bev and 7 standard gas cars. If the goal is to reduce overall green house gas emissions then hybrid makes more sense.
Will depend on who at Toyota has what intention, who calls the shots, and how much they only care about bottom line, regardless of who pushed this car there.
You took an embarrassing, trash EV and managed to make a video entertaining enough to watched until the end. With the ending being the best part. Bravo good sirs.
We have had two software updates this summer in the Netherlands, range now, 450km, far better recharging and 4x fast charging in 24h instead of 2x. Charging now above 100kw. In recent test by leading carmagazine, the bz4x outperformed the Q4 etron as well as VW'S Id4.....
Had the car for a year now, and clocked over 10k miles. It is a point A to B car that wasn't designed to be exciting but rather reliable, composed, and very comfortable especially when I have to drive over 200 miles in a day. There is no glove compartment because there is a radiant heater in its place. I have found no need to use the traditional air-blowing HVAC because between the heated/cooled seats, heated steering wheel, and radiant heaters (where the glove box should be and under the steering column) - plenty of heat to stay warm and comfortable. I am 6' tall and the steering wheel plus gauge cluster surprisingly works for me. My wife who is 5' 2" - also likes the gauge/steering wheel combo. On average I do 3 miles per kW or 220 miles per during. On warmer months it goes up to 260 miles. The vehicle has a lot of space, enough for a family of 5 (3 teens). Generous amount of trunk space but yes no frunk. During cold weather, it will charge at max 50 kW (to save the battery and help it last for 10 years) and close to 100 kW during the summer months
You're a real customer. This just goes to show how few and far between people using cars in a real way are from those making reviews and the majority of comments on social media. I mentioned radiant heating a few times here. And how does a smart reviewer like Mark or his partner Jack don't do the research to see why the instrument binnacle is placed as it is as this car was designed for a yoke steering that operates a variable steer by wire system? They need to stop acting like all cars have to drive sporty to have appeal to most customers. I just want to say something too about the "poor range" nonsense. It does 3 miles per KW. Something like the Lyric gets under that but has 308 miles of range. So, big range is accomplished by big batteries but it is less efficient than the bZ4.
@@benjaminsmith2287 In addition to having bigger batteries. Bigger batteries mean longer charge times. Which then necessitates higher kilowatt charging which then means faster battery degradation. I had a friend who recently told me that her EV can no longer go as far as it used compared to 3 years prior - all those 200+ kW charging sessions didn't help with battery life. Buying an EV, just like any other vehicle, Hybrid or ICE comes down to what you are doing with it. It needs to fit your needs. I needed a car that would last me at least 10 years, accommodate my weekly 200+ RT commutes and more usual daily 60 my RT commutes. It can't be jarring me to exhaustion due to its jerky acceleration, stiff-and-sporty suspension. It also needs AppleCar Play or Android Auto along w/ more than enough room to lug my family around. Yes, the Bz4x and Soltera did have an issue w/ the wheels or lug bolts loosening. Fortunately, I didn't have the same issue - but at least it won't inadvertently set my house on fire. Sometimes, vendors don't machine certain parts to spec and parts do either fail or in this case, come loose. all part of manufacturing. The 2 things that do bug me about the Bz4x is the lack of a 12V plug (I need it for my 12V cooler) in the trunk or a powered passenger seat. And your statement is true, the instrument cluster is in preparation for a yoke drive-by-wire yoke steering wheel (Lexus RZ) - this way Toyota can use the same assembly line.
Just yesterday, I wrote something like - bZ4X is not a downright bad vehicle compared to competition, but it is a bad Toyota car. And now you release this video. It almost feels like an AI algorithm made this video for me, to reinforce my opinion 😀
The BZ4X is, in fact, downright bad compared to competition in the EV marketspace. It's also a bad Toyota car. Which is sad, because I love EVs and I love Toyota and I really want to love Toyota's EV - but it's just objectively terrible in every possible way compared to all other Toyotas and all other EVs.
Don't worry, it's just the collective consciousness networking harder. I recently didn't write but merely think about two unrelated topics before going to bed and the next day someone I watch released a very artful video with those two themes featured strongly. So basically, it's the most boring and frustrating thing - effectless synchronicities. Not exciting times material like computer algorithms predicting your every desire in a masterfully sociopathic way.
Design aside, this car is basically unusable as an only-car solution unless you never leave town. It is absolutely insane how slowly this thing "fast" charges, to make matters worse they put the worst battery in the AWD model which ensures that it won't be usable as a camping/roadtrip car, which might have been its saving grace had it been well engineered. That 10-80% charge time in 60+ minutes renders this is basically DOA. Only people who will buy the couple hundred Toyota fanatics who want an EV and are fine with it being nothing more than a suburb crawler.
It's such a bummer that manufacturers are being forced to develop electric vehicles before the infrastructure is in place to support them, consumers want them over fuel operated vehicles, and manufacturers can't make any money making them (outside of Tesla). Nothing kills businesses better than government.
Consumers and manufacturers shouldn't be forced into buying them at all. If EVs are a better mousetrap, consumers will buy them. And let's be honest, most people are running EVs on "fuel" indirectly. This is a cog in the government controls and watches everything you do machine, nothing more. Besides, they're hellishly inconvenient.
The problem is very complicated. The world is moving on (EU, China, coastal states). Big oil and investment banks know the future is not oil and are not investing like they used to. The US doesn't want to be like where japan is now, where their auto industry is 10 years behind and allows china to develop and harness all the IP in EVs, which most agree is the future. It would be a bleak future if in 10 years when gas is maybe 10-12$ a gallon and people are priced out of gas in the USA, that your only option for transportation is a cheap chinese EV. China has an advantage in the govt. directs priorities and biz follows. In the USA, if left to our own devices we would guzzle all the dino juice we can, until we can't, and there would be no backup plan. This is the MO for most things in America.
@@TeslaRoadtrips The world outside of the WEF controlled West isn't going to abandon oil and gas, and I predict we won't either, but it'll probably take them ruining entire economies and being run out of town on a rail to reverse course. Running, heating, cooling, and vehicles with electricity will require nuclear power and trillions in new infrastructure. The NIMBYs, who are in large part the solar/wind, and anti-oil, zealots, will have to be beaten down by their own foolishness before they'll embrace the only thing which could supplant a significant portion of oil, gas, and coal workloads. We're decades away from that.
I got mine 3 months ago and run for 8000km. The problem come out. The “rubber” at the regeneration break start wearing off and making strange noise. And when over 80km/hr, there is loud low pitch noise at the trunk. The charger stop charging by itself. The trunk door alignment have problem and the paint is scratched off. All the problem had been spotted out by the dealership technician. But they try to close their eye and insist everything is normal and refuse to fix it! This car made me crazy! I am going to sell it! It sucks
A situation like this will kill the EV off for most people. The EV market is full of compliance vehicles. It vlgives the EV a bad name. Some would say tesla owners give the EV a bad name too. It’s a double edged sword. Both edges are sharp. And it will hurt with a bad experience. Turning people off the the EV as a whole. Love the video by the way.
You mentioned it being a compliance vehicle to make board members happy, I think as the push for all electric compliance, vehicle manufactures are feeling the pressure from their governments. This vehicle is a prime example what’s going to come out as the pressure to have all EV line up by 20xx.
I wasn't sure about this car until I got to the @2:22 mark. You've really sold me! I'm heading down to the Toyota Dealership tomorrow to place an order!
The AI segment made me skip forward. That was brutal. It felt like I was watching any other car review channel. It's sad to hear you guys crap on the car, and I 100% agree that Toyota should be able to make a decent car, but they also made a BMW Supra.
@@pan4632 the charging speeds do give me pause, but I also have no intention of taking one on a road trip that would exceed it's 200 mile range. 10-30 miles a day will be more my average use case. So not as big a deal to me. And on the interior, I was worried I'd hate the psuedo-heads up display, but it was actually quite nice in person
LOVE LOVE LOVE the callback to Ridley Scott's 'Alien' with the 'green screen' and same sound effects.. As well as the inherent meaning of 'Mother' being a form of future AI.. Well played sir!
Toyota still wants to make hydrogen cars not EVs and it shows. There is a Venza prime too but it's not sold in the US as of yet. I've owned 2 new venzas and turning on the heat is exactly why I didn't even consider this.
In all seriousness, my dad was shopping for an EV back in January. We tried to test drive the BZ4X but didn’t even do so because the salesman basically scoffed at us for not having a charger at home and having to rely on fast charging outside, and said theres no point in buying this car if you don’t have a home charger. He’s right. But how about Toyota make a car that fast charges faster? Also we didn’t like the bulky dash, the weird cloth material like you said, etc.
thanks for the honest review guys. I feel like some other channels ('cough' TFL) gave this too much credit. But agreed it sucks, and if this is the future of EVs then I am truly sad for my children...
the japanese auto makers are so far behind on EVs, that when your kids are driving they probably won't even be around. it'll be tesla (maybe other US makes) korean and chinese brands. Japanese will need 10 years to catch up mechanically and will never catch up in software.
I don't have this exact model but I do have the 2024 Subaru solterra and I absolutely love this car! Granted haven't driven a lot of evs, but it is so smooth and comfortable and fast and I have zero regrets. I understand for people that review thousands of cars they can get picky, but for the normal person that wants to lease something for an affordable price this car is beautiful and I'm very happy with it
Toyota has done itself a real disservice by the immediate and dramatic change in range whne the heater and AC are turned on. The numbers change on maximum range to zero range, on the dash--not on the battery. It's simply a best case/worst case reading. If you run the heater or AC on manual, the energy level used is minimal to none. I have driven mine in Tahoe snowstorms, cold weather in the Sierra foothills, and then temperate weather in the Bay Area. My best range was 283. I am consistently getting over 250. But the first week I had the car I ran it to zero twice and had it the dealer several times. I had the heat on 80+ and the settings on auto, which blast the fan on high and draw down the battery at a rapid rate. It's a superb car, and I am glad I bought this over my business partners' two Teslas. Rumor is that Toyota will software update and extend the range as well.
It's amazing to me how you guys were able to make a video about a car. So underwhelming so entertaining. And somehow creepy lol. Well with that being said You guys are my go-to for any car review, especially if I'm really interested in the car
these guys are the only American reviewers I like and find easy to listen to, the rest are over excited psychos. I normally choose British reviewers, but Jack and Mark are indeed very good, really good analysis.
The keyword British reminded me of - no, definitely not Top Gear - but TotalBiscuit / Cynical Brit, a video game reviewer who had the vibe matching the latter name and also did his reviews like the professional industry consultant he was. I found that credible, trustworthy, thus worth my time, thus in its own way entertaining.
I love this channel! I’m surprised a few people in my area are still buying this car. Maybe they got some good lease deals. I do like that it’s made in Japan. But you can tell Toyota didn’t want to make this car. I would definitely buy a RAV4 Prime over this.
@@littlestinker9716 Just an update. Akio has already step down just a month ago and was replaced by Koji Sato who is planning to reform Toyota entire ev development.
Good luck buying one of these for $40k! Toyota dealers are adding "market adjustments" of many thousands to the price and people are still lining up. Clever video and very entertaining and educational, as usual! Well done
I didn't hear any actual criticisms other than "I don't like it" and "I don't know why it exists." Perhaps there is a subset of people that actually want a regular, non-exciting, no frills basically electric car that will work 10 years down the road with retaining 90% battery capacity.
It sounds like what it looks like. It's an EV RAV 4 with different styling inside. It's for people who want to use it to commute and have access to home charging.
Looks like you had fun making this one! Coming from owning several Lexus', I was waiting on the RZ450, but still decided to put a deposit on a GV60 while waiting. Got the GV last month, and although Genesis is a long way from being Lexus, and seeing what they did with this product in its Lexus form, I'm glad I took delivery of the GV60. Will not be looking back until Toyota/Lexus offers a product worthy of the name. Shame on them for putting this on the market!
@@naveenthemachine Oh I can tell you that so far, their service is totally crap. They need to up their game if they want to compete in the luxury market. The cars are great, but their service is almost sub-Hyundai!
@@jprusso224 I’d rather give up the dealer experience to get a better car. Genesis shows it’s about the car. Not the brand. Lexus has the brand but their cars are beyond mediocre
The quality the new Arby's processor produces is insane! Goose almost looks human in this one
I'd put all my bit coin on Arby's latest QPUs. Cat is out of the bag tech stock fans.
Better investment than AMD
I felt like I was becoming lost in Uncanny Valley.
*Almost.
Mmmm... I'm thinkin' Arby's...
This is the most cursed car review I’ve ever seen, its true art. Even the camera photography was made robotic and synthesized. Y’all are masters at making the most fun out of not so fun car products. Its wild to think that this might be a new favorite from y’all along with legends reviews 😂
So cursed!
Savagegeese's review on the Toyota BZ4X EV is a remarkable piece of work. The visuals are outstanding and provide viewers with a comprehensive look at the vehicle's design and features. The entertaining duo adds a level of humor and personality to the review that makes it engaging and enjoyable to watch.
What's most impressive about the review is the consumer perspective. Savagegeese not only evaluates the car from a technical standpoint but also considers how it would fit into a potential buyer's life. This approach gives viewers a better understanding of the car's practicality, performance, and value. Overall, the review is a testament to Savagegeese's expertise in the automotive industry and his ability to create compelling and informative content.
Chef's kiss for this comment. It is a masterpiece.
Not reading that essay
Re-write in one paragraph adding more business focus.
@@savagegeese Savagegeese's review on the Toyota BZ4X EV is an exceptional example of a product review that has a strong business focus. The visuals are incredibly detailed, showcasing the vehicle's design and features, making it a valuable resource for potential buyers and industry professionals alike. The entertaining duo adds a level of humor and personality that makes the review engaging and enjoyable to watch, increasing its appeal to a wider audience. Additionally, Savagegeese's approach to the review, which includes a consumer perspective, provides a practical evaluation of the car's technical specifications and its value proposition, essential for business decision-makers. Overall, Savagegeese's review is an excellent illustration of how businesses can use reviews to inform their product development strategies, marketing campaigns, and customer acquisition efforts.
Was your review also written by AiGPX like the video was ? Lol 😅
That gauge cluster is an absolute mystery as to HOW that got past anyone in the development stage.
Because it is cool and gimmicky
They tend to be smaller chaps over there 🙈
Ask Peugeot that question. They started that trend.
Same with your spelling 😂
Well, the whole car is a mystery since it isn't competitive for the segment it's competing in.
I’ve never seen a car review video that was also a Sci Fi horror film. Love Mark’s character arc into full assimilation.
Alien right
I absolutely loved SavageGeese's latest TH-cam video where he used AI to review the Toyota bZ4X! It was not only informative but also entertaining, making it a joy to watch from start to finish.
SavageGeese's mastery of AI technology was truly impressive, as he used it to provide an in-depth analysis of the bZ4X's features and capabilities. The way he presented the information was also quite engaging, making it easy to follow along and understand even the most technical aspects of the car.
One of the things I appreciate about SavageGeese's reviews is that he always goes beyond the surface-level features of the vehicle, diving deep into the engineering and design aspects of the car. His insights into the bZ4X's battery technology and regenerative braking system, for example, were fascinating and informative.
Overall, I highly recommend SavageGeese's latest video to anyone who is interested in learning more about the Toyota bZ4X. It's an excellent review that provides a comprehensive and insightful look at one of the most innovative electric vehicles on the market today. Great job, SavageGeese!
Your GPT post has been flagged for lack of heart.
@@savagegeese But think of the engagement numbers and algorithm boosting!
Genius comment.
🤣🤣🤣👍👍 Great!
@@savagegeese No problem. You can add heart as a parameter.
It can do so much for you: ❤❤❤ , of course also 💚and💜, and as a premium feature for subscribers you have a 🖤, too.
I saw one on the road and I was shocked: it’s wheels didn’t fall off. But the driver still looked sad.
Why would its wheels fall off? I'm really sick of this silly comment. The recall was from June to October of last year when it was fixed and it didn't happen to any customer. At the same time, wheels did break off of Tesla's customers' cars yet we don't have to read about wheels falling off of Tesla reviews all the time.
@@benjaminsmith2287 Teslas suck.
The front fell off
Still sad. Hahaha
@Benjamin Smith - because Toyota and Subaru dealers were telling people to not bother with the car because they couldn’t even sell them till they had parts to fix the wheel issue…well at least in October when I bought a WRX. That Subaru dealer had 3 Solterras on the lot and he was unhappy to even have them. Couldn’t let anyone test drive, couldn’t deliver them, didn’t want to sell them…
If the Pontiac Aztek and a Soviet-era mobile ICBM transporter had a baby.
lmaooooooo
the toyota bz4x is the car ever. it sometimes has 4 wheels, works, and can bring you from point a-b. it has features, adjacent door handles for passengers- who can sit in the car also. you can opt for gray if you're tired of black and white and want to switch things up as well
You nailed this review. Toyota is capable of so much more, just look at the passion in the GR Corolla. It's fair to feel this way about the BZ4X.
Being "capable of so much more" is why the Top Gear guys hated the Lexus SC 430 so much, too.
Your comment makes no sense because this isn't a Lexus, its the base model electric vehicle offering from Toyota. It is exactly what it is made for. The market that buys this is looking for exactly this, and the market that buys a GR Corolla is incredibly smaller, an almost anti-intellectual comparison to make.
They are capable for so much more but that isn't the consumer they are targeting. This is targeted towards the middle class person living in the city who wants to own an affordable EV. If you want the extra bells and whistles, you'll need to look outside of Toyota or wait for a Lexus EV to come out.
At $40k, its competitors include Hyundai and Kia, who have a pair of smash hits in the Ioniq 5 and EV 6. This Toyota looks phoned-in, like when GM got complacent and lazy.
@@LJ-wo1wf Comparing Hyundai and Kia to Toyota is like comparing Walmart's clothing selection to a designer store. Completely non-sensical to consider those car manufacturers as ever being competition to Toyota.
I couldn't make it to the end of this review. I had to run out immediately and purchase one of these vehicles. I am in the Arby's drive thru waiting on my daily roast beef and jamocha shake fix. Thank you Savage Geese for this incredible human-like review.
That felt so weird looking at Ai mark. Made me uncomfortable, but for some reason i wanted more. With the range drop you experienced while turning on hvac, I cannot see myself driving this in Canada.
Mark pulls off a F*king good robot. This was beyond pure entertainment.
Don’t know how these guys only have 600k subscribers. The quality, humor, and analysis are fantastic. They should top all car video reviews.
I'm willing to give most things a chance but I've sat in one of these twins. The orientation of the wheel and the instrument cluster was a no go. I was surprised they'd release it like that. they fixed it for the Prius so the feedback clearly reached them.
The range dropping from the HVAC is hilarious. EV is gonna have to get good with managing range and not dropping like a rock to not freeze or cook depending on the season
There's something hilariously wrong with this vehicle. I have an electric VW e-Up, it has a resistive heater not a fancy heatpump, and you lose maybe 10-20 miles of range off the total when you turn the heating on. I have no idea what toyota is doing.
This is a Toyota-specific issue, pretty much, and I don't understand it. My 2020 Chevy Bolt uses resistive heat and I don't lose anywhere NEAR that kind of range when I turn on the heat. My Tesla Model Y uses a heat pump and the range drop is basically unnoticeable. Almost every mainstream EV, including the venerable Nissan Leaf, is better at heating the cabin without tanking range to the level they were seeing.
This is not at all the case for literally any other EV, Toyota is very behind
The BZ has a heated steering wheel, heated seats and radiant heaters on top of the HVAC. I have also found the range to be calculated when one turns on the HVAC, a percentage. For example, if it says it has 30 miles left w/o HVAC on, once on, it goes to 24 miles.
@@dogslol1928 it doesn't
Jack reaction about the 60 miles drop was on point😄 This is exactly why I bought an Outlander PHEV. For the first month ownership I've average 47 mpg. For an awd suv that I don't have range anxiety or get warm in our Canadian winter it's a win for me. No cvt either👌
The “drop” is pretty much normal. The computer just literally calculates the power consumption *at that moment*, i.e. when you just started the heater and thus the heater will be in full power. Once the cabin is heated enough (which should only takes couples of minutes) the heater will slow down and the range calculation/power consumption will return to normal.
@@jwalker7567 Nowhere in my comment I’ve said to drive without the heater on.
@@jwalker7567 greetings from Canada, I also have to deal with condensation when driving in winter. I'll run the air conditioning in winter to help remove the condensation, it does work. Give it a try see if it works for you, cheers.
I was able to drive the Subaru version of this car. This is definitely a first gen thing. Nobody should buy one for another couple years until they figure it out.
I drove a Solterra as well. I liked it a lot, but agree with waiting for a second gen. Also if Chevy comes through with a 30k Equinox, that will sell more and qualify for the US tax benefits
I'm surprised Toyota just doesn't buy Lucid, or another company that's already got it figured.
That’s what I been saying since these cars were launched.
No one should buy an EV all together.
None of them should be bought until all specs match the gas counterpart for the same price. Not willing to compromise or inconvenience when going EV.
This has to be the funniest and greatest SavageGeese video to date. I legitimately threw my head back in laughter multiple times
Travelling in a freezing cold vehicle in order to eke out sufficient range - it's like Apollo 13, but with a "Main B-Bus Undervolt" condition that's there by design...
A.I. Mark really makes me feel like im enjoying a good lunch from Arby's
"Designed from the ground up" is code for "we copied this shit from the other guys in the office"
Miata was designed from the sky down. #skyActiv.
Designed from a ground up RAV4.
Wow, SavageGeese, your latest video was a fantastic blend of informative analysis and entertaining commentary. I really appreciated the depth of your research and attention to detail, and your delivery kept me engaged from start to finish. Keep up the great work!
I’ve never felt quite as “molested by the corporate” than right now. Thank you, SG, for making me much more aware of how I may not even exist.
Having driven an EV, heating the interior doesn't actually hit the battery that hard. In the moment, it's calculating its output and concluding that you only have x range left, but it doesn't account for the fact that once the interior is warmed up, it doesn't have to work nearly as hard.
So my 2017 Chevy Bolt used to cruise at highway speeds at 10-15 kwh (it's been a while, so this probably isn't exact, but it's demonstrative). When I turned the heater on, that went up to 25-30 kwh.
But it only did that for like 5-10 minutes, after which it returned to its maintenance levels. It definitely burned more battery in that time, but I only ever really lost a few miles of range. Basically, the cold battery itself caused WAY more efficiency loss than running the heater.
At least that was my experience in a climate that never really got below freezing. I guess YMMV up north (literally!).
Several times I have also read recommendations people use remote "start" to preheat the cabin etc while the ev is still theoretically plugged in at home. Still, all EVs are going to take this hit. Perhaps Toyota needs to make their range calculator a bit less sensitive. Good candidate for one of those OTA updates.
I forget where I read it, but heated seats might be better in a "perceived comfort per wattage" way than blowing warm air. I don't have an EV myself but maybe I could at least compare how nice I feel with just heated seats versus just warm HVAC air.
Fair point, although what this still reveals to us is the shocking revelation that that electric car doesn't have a SmArT or InTeLiGaNt range calculation algoreithm. 😱
And the Bolt uses a resistive heater that heats a coolant that then heats the cabin. Probably the most inelegant, inefficient design there is. So a heat pump would almost definitely be an improvement.
@@Dowlphin funny enough, my bolt didn't have that problem. It averaged your usage over the past x miles, so it was generally pretty close.
What would happen is that if you drove differently or in different conditions, you'd burn 2 miles of range for every mile you drove.
Hard to say which is better. I think you just get used to whatever your car uses.
Electric shock therapy isn't a bug.. It's a feature 😂
I laughed harder than I should 😂 Brilliant! A masterpiece! 🤣🙈
The review that is. Not the car.
Bought one of these for my wife’s boyfriend and he loves the range on it. Thanks savagegeese!
Epic
He's old enough to drive?
Toyota does not want consumers to want EVs, and they made one accordingly. The Tesla Model Y and Hyundai Ioniq/EV6 are everything that this car is not, and they are cars enthusiasts like myself want to own and drive. Thanks for the honest review.
i don't know how to construct a sentence containing the words "EV" and "enthusiasm"
My thoughts exactly. Its a bit of an oxy moron.
Car enthusiasts are not enthused with those examples that you mentioned.
@@andrewgarcia3136 The model Y is more thrilling to drive than SUVs that cost twice as much.
@@huehuehue-x3c in a straight line maybe....
Front end design still looks like it was inspired by an opened milk carton.
Good analogy, and I remember that from other Toyotas.
There was also a regional model of a Prius or such that I perceived as "granny's tenth facelift".
Definitely one of the cars of 2023.
Of call the cars, this is a car!
The brilliance and creativity of the monologues/dialogues, amazing production quality, and insightful remarks make this the perfect car channel on the whole internets.
Quantum Mark is what the auto industry needs. He tells it like it is. No BS
After your review, as a human, I am now convinced that the Toyota bZ4X is the best car in the world!
This has to be the absolute best savage geese video ever!
I got PTSD when the video glitched during the AI transition. Thought my PC was BSOD. I love these videos 😂
09:01 Jack's right about building more PHEVs and Hybrids for regular commuters.
One could build 4 PHEVs or many more hybrids with the battery an EV requires.
Our commuter is a PHEV and all of our commute is EV. We don't have to worry about public charging on long drives.
PHEV makes so much more sense. It also doesn't assume everyone can plug in at home! Many, many people do not have a wall outlet next to their parking space / street spot / apartment carport.
You don't have to worry about re-charing but you do have to worry about lugging a battery around with a fossil fuel powered engine. PHEVs are far worse in practice because many people do not plug them in. Then there is the cost of the battery and the additional complexity. At some stage somebody will realise the most efficient and truly sustainable solution is a simple NA gas engine. Probably with no more than 2 valves per cylinder and push rods..🙂
@@jamescaley9942 sorry James, I have to disagree with you on that one. In my personal experience, our gasoline consumption was cut by three quarters. When it comes to power efficiencies, nothing beats electric. We only "lug" an empty battery on long trips and still achieve upwards of 40 mpg.
The same way a 100% gas car makes no sense, a 50% gas car makes no sense. To drill, transport, refine, transport, pump that gas in your PHEV has used more energy than it takes to power a pure EV. The entire idea is dumb.
@@gnoxycat I'm excited about the EV future too but I choose to put my points across without any emotion. Sorry my comment riled you up. I suggest you reread my comment. I literally said we cut out 75% of our gas usage. The only time we use gas is when we drive more than 60 miles at a time which is once a month. For our situation a phev is perfect. Sorry we don't fit your idealized version of a family that can use EVs exclusively. Since you brought intelligence into question, might I remind you that ignorance is far more acceptable than assumption of total knowledge. Have a good day sir.
This is why I love your reviews, you guys actually call out the garbage aspects of cars. Some reviewers just paint a pretty picture and that's it. You guys keep it real.
The BZ4X: high-tech and emotional, just like Mark-E.
Sophisticated e-motion generates low-sodium tears.
Haha, love that FX on Su..subaru... and Arbys QPU.
Thanks ChatGPT Mark!
At the 5:04 mark I got an ad for Dyson vacuums and totally lost it. 🤣
Totally agree on what they said about Toyota just not doing this thing at all. It's far better to do nothing than to put out crap that only drags down their brand name. Heck, Toyota already said they wouldn't be embracing 100% electric technology anyway. They'd rather focus on hybrid, hydrogen and other alternative energy methods, so just do THAT, Toyota...
Yes, Toyota sort of dropped the ball on the BZ4X. It doesnt look THAT bad. Maybe all one color would be better. I was one who was on the waiting list for one. A Rav4 XSE hybrid tech/winter/pano roof packages, came available and my salesman called me. I couldnt be happier with my Rav4, and glad at the right moment/time in 2022, and I snatched it up quick. I was waiting 4 months for it to be built. With people in a waiting time frame for a Rav4 model “you want” if you can, for me it was worth the wait.
There really needs to to be a SavageGeese Hall of Fame channel.
This is, without a doubt, one of the greatest ever.
Thanks for disrupting the matrix.
You can make a playlist, if you're so inclined. :)
Unless the situation is so bad that the Matrix takes this completely serious.
We live in a world where it is hard to figure out whether you're talking to a glitchy AI or a glitchy human, where when you perceive robotic behavior, it is equally likely to be either one.
BZ4X sounds like what Elon would name his second child
He has 10 children as of March 2023
I Googled Soltera in Spanish="maiden
virginal, soltera, inaugural, primero"
I love the name ....... too "bee zee for ex" 😂😂😂
Please, please, let me out of the Matrix! Then again, that Arby’s GPU though…
Brilliant stuff.
Just about spit out my coffee... that switchover was hilarious. Your production is always amazing but this takes it a notch higher
To me the biggest issue is the slow charging speed of 100 kW on the AWD model. This product is DOA.
Thank you, Jarkbot, for your cromulent engineering assessment 🙏.
Another solid video, guys...I have to agree with Jack's assessment here, that Akio Toyoda had to feel incredibly "meh" about having to produce this product. It does come across as a compliance product - look at how fantastic people say the Mirai is (the vehicle itself, ignoring the infrastructure issues), and that's just an engineering development exercise.
I wonder if the platform will still work as well once they embiggen and debigulate it
You guys are quickly becoming one of my favorite TH-cam channels. Outstanding content.
"My boyfriend called me a pig..."! Well, that last line was the icing on the cake, a terrific video that nails the problems that Toyota have with moving to an EV future. As a very satisfied Toyota customer for the last 17 years (currently have a RAV4 Hybrid) it really is very sad to see them just not trying to develop a good EV car(s). Maybe the new CEO can do a 180 and get them going in the right direction. I really hope so.
Having a good EV in your lineup is like having an athlete who's still in a wheelchair
Probably when he learned that she had kept a secret from him ... that she's just an AI.
Akio stepped down as CEO but remains chairman. The new CEO seems more open to EVs. I actually side with Akio though. Smaller batteries work better for most daily commuting, and they can build a lot more RAV4/Prius Primes than BZ4Xs. Infrastructure and tech isn’t quite there yet.
seems like the new guy likes hydrogen a bit too much too. it will be their lost decade.
@@TeslaRoadtrips Yeah, every child knows that helium is where the real fun is.
You are the only ones who have reviewed this car to point out the obvious, that Toyota did not want to make this car and made it only because it felt it had to.
That said, and I've said this on other reviews, this and its Lexus twin are not being pointed at the broad market but are being offered primarily as something to keep the members of their very brand-loyal customer base who want BEVs in the fold. They aren't making very many of them and will have no problem selling the volume they're planning to ship.
This is all, of course, very cynical, but no more so than the decisions made by many businesses.
Basically, just buy a Hyundai or Tesla.
Would have been a much better car if it were revived with the Matrix nameplate, given a ~275 mile range, some decent styling and creative interior configurability, priced at $35K. That's how you move the needle on getting EV's to gain traction with mainstream buyers. Or better yet, design it as a dedicated Plug-In Hybrid.
No one will care about this product in 1-2 years time, I guarantee it. Nonetheless, an amazing and hilarious/disturbing review once again from SG!
Hilarious...still lifting myself off the floor rolling in laughter. ChatGPT marketing vs good honest Journalism "loose 60 miles of range just turning on the heat" win's all the time 👍 Well done guys
Adds another angle to "feelin' the heat".
CH-R build team: How can we take the successful Matrix, make it use more gas, have less interior and cargo space, look more like an SUV but remove the AWD and manual transmission options?
The only positive thing I can find to say about it is that it had an optional teal that brought back nice early 90s memories of Accords and Civics.
The worst part is every other market in the world got the best options for it - Japan and Europe had a 1.2 turbo or 1.8 hybrid, Europe got the manual - both got nicer amenities. We got stuck with the most underpowered, stripped out version. It was the same story with the Honda HR-V coming from JP/Euro Honda Vezel.
This is my favorite Savagegeese review. You could really feel the heart they put into the shop segment
Toyota saw the Ford Lightning's range drop and took it personally.
Chatgpt sounds like every marketing department I've ever dealt with. Maybe our CEO should be considering downsizing the marketing team!😂
Easily the most copious and capable review of the year…..awesome stuff.
You guys absolutely f*ing rock! Toyota is tending to doom, most of the products are s*it right now, but the youtubers out there are gushing over this trash. Thanks for making GREAT content, always GREAT. Thanks!
I’m not. I’m saying how atrocious most of the latest Toyotas are. Yet people are laughing at me 😂
Rip Toyota in a few years. They had a run albeit not as good of a run as Hyundai Kia are
The proof is in the sales. Toyota is the top selling make on the planet. Until they are not, there's no reason for them to change anything. It's one thing for youtubers to gush over the products, but they must not be that bad if people keep buying them.
@@gs98999 there are exceptions. But most of them are just horrid products. The fact that people buy these models makes me feel sorry for their absolute gullibility
@@gs98999People buy Chrysler so. It doesn't take much for people to buy garbage.
It is amazing that you didn’t even mention the worst aspect of this vehicle. The charging is literally deplorable. The range would almost be tolerable if the charging wasn’t so slow.
"Compliance Car" hits the nail on the head. I tend to agree with Toyota in that hybrid cars are a better choice at this point in time. The power grid is woefully unprepared for 300 million cars and another 4 million giant semi trucks being plugged in every night. The grid along with battery technology needs to make several leaps ahead before EV cars are practical on a mass scale.
Toyota is correct. You can build 8 hybrids using the same limited resources it takes to build one of these. That means 8 very efficient hybrid vehicles on the road instead of one Bev and 7 standard gas cars. If the goal is to reduce overall green house gas emissions then hybrid makes more sense.
We sat in the Subaru version. Just sitting in it made us hate it. There was nothing Subi about it. Cheap cheap cheap.
Love the truth this video brings. Worried the blowback could really hurt this channel. Good luck fellas.
Will depend on who at Toyota has what intention, who calls the shots, and how much they only care about bottom line, regardless of who pushed this car there.
Brilliant! That's all I got. Will stick to my STI and 17mpg :)
You took an embarrassing, trash EV and managed to make a video entertaining enough to watched until the end. With the ending being the best part. Bravo good sirs.
“If you got this for free, you wouldn’t feel like you wasted your money.” Not a ringing endorsment.
Great video! A Trabant with zero gasoline consumption.
We have had two software updates this summer in the Netherlands, range now, 450km, far better recharging and 4x fast charging in 24h instead of 2x. Charging now above 100kw.
In recent test by leading carmagazine, the bz4x outperformed the Q4 etron as well as VW'S Id4.....
I like this new you. Its so refreshing. Great job!
Had the car for a year now, and clocked over 10k miles. It is a point A to B car that wasn't designed to be exciting but rather reliable, composed, and very comfortable especially when I have to drive over 200 miles in a day. There is no glove compartment because there is a radiant heater in its place. I have found no need to use the traditional air-blowing HVAC because between the heated/cooled seats, heated steering wheel, and radiant heaters (where the glove box should be and under the steering column) - plenty of heat to stay warm and comfortable. I am 6' tall and the steering wheel plus gauge cluster surprisingly works for me. My wife who is 5' 2" - also likes the gauge/steering wheel combo. On average I do 3 miles per kW or 220 miles per during. On warmer months it goes up to 260 miles. The vehicle has a lot of space, enough for a family of 5 (3 teens). Generous amount of trunk space but yes no frunk. During cold weather, it will charge at max 50 kW (to save the battery and help it last for 10 years) and close to 100 kW during the summer months
You're a real customer. This just goes to show how few and far between people using cars in a real way are from those making reviews and the majority of comments on social media. I mentioned radiant heating a few times here. And how does a smart reviewer like Mark or his partner Jack don't do the research to see why the instrument binnacle is placed as it is as this car was designed for a yoke steering that operates a variable steer by wire system? They need to stop acting like all cars have to drive sporty to have appeal to most customers.
I just want to say something too about the "poor range" nonsense. It does 3 miles per KW. Something like the Lyric gets under that but has 308 miles of range. So, big range is accomplished by big batteries but it is less efficient than the bZ4.
@@benjaminsmith2287 In addition to having bigger batteries. Bigger batteries mean longer charge times. Which then necessitates higher kilowatt charging which then means faster battery degradation. I had a friend who recently told me that her EV can no longer go as far as it used compared to 3 years prior - all those 200+ kW charging sessions didn't help with battery life. Buying an EV, just like any other vehicle, Hybrid or ICE comes down to what you are doing with it. It needs to fit your needs. I needed a car that would last me at least 10 years, accommodate my weekly 200+ RT commutes and more usual daily 60 my RT commutes. It can't be jarring me to exhaustion due to its jerky acceleration, stiff-and-sporty suspension. It also needs AppleCar Play or Android Auto along w/ more than enough room to lug my family around.
Yes, the Bz4x and Soltera did have an issue w/ the wheels or lug bolts loosening. Fortunately, I didn't have the same issue - but at least it won't inadvertently set my house on fire. Sometimes, vendors don't machine certain parts to spec and parts do either fail or in this case, come loose. all part of manufacturing.
The 2 things that do bug me about the Bz4x is the lack of a 12V plug (I need it for my 12V cooler) in the trunk or a powered passenger seat.
And your statement is true, the instrument cluster is in preparation for a yoke drive-by-wire yoke steering wheel (Lexus RZ) - this way Toyota can use the same assembly line.
Just yesterday, I wrote something like - bZ4X is not a downright bad vehicle compared to competition, but it is a bad Toyota car.
And now you release this video. It almost feels like an AI algorithm made this video for me, to reinforce my opinion 😀
The BZ4X is, in fact, downright bad compared to competition in the EV marketspace. It's also a bad Toyota car. Which is sad, because I love EVs and I love Toyota and I really want to love Toyota's EV - but it's just objectively terrible in every possible way compared to all other Toyotas and all other EVs.
Don't worry, it's just the collective consciousness networking harder.
I recently didn't write but merely think about two unrelated topics before going to bed and the next day someone I watch released a very artful video with those two themes featured strongly.
So basically, it's the most boring and frustrating thing - effectless synchronicities. Not exciting times material like computer algorithms predicting your every desire in a masterfully sociopathic way.
Design aside, this car is basically unusable as an only-car solution unless you never leave town. It is absolutely insane how slowly this thing "fast" charges, to make matters worse they put the worst battery in the AWD model which ensures that it won't be usable as a camping/roadtrip car, which might have been its saving grace had it been well engineered. That 10-80% charge time in 60+ minutes renders this is basically DOA. Only people who will buy the couple hundred Toyota fanatics who want an EV and are fine with it being nothing more than a suburb crawler.
It's such a bummer that manufacturers are being forced to develop electric vehicles before the infrastructure is in place to support them, consumers want them over fuel operated vehicles, and manufacturers can't make any money making them (outside of Tesla). Nothing kills businesses better than government.
Tesla makes money because they sell a $40,000 vehicle for $54,000 (at least here in Canada)…
Consumers and manufacturers shouldn't be forced into buying them at all. If EVs are a better mousetrap, consumers will buy them. And let's be honest, most people are running EVs on "fuel" indirectly. This is a cog in the government controls and watches everything you do machine, nothing more. Besides, they're hellishly inconvenient.
The problem is very complicated. The world is moving on (EU, China, coastal states). Big oil and investment banks know the future is not oil and are not investing like they used to. The US doesn't want to be like where japan is now, where their auto industry is 10 years behind and allows china to develop and harness all the IP in EVs, which most agree is the future. It would be a bleak future if in 10 years when gas is maybe 10-12$ a gallon and people are priced out of gas in the USA, that your only option for transportation is a cheap chinese EV. China has an advantage in the govt. directs priorities and biz follows. In the USA, if left to our own devices we would guzzle all the dino juice we can, until we can't, and there would be no backup plan. This is the MO for most things in America.
@@TeslaRoadtrips The world outside of the WEF controlled West isn't going to abandon oil and gas, and I predict we won't either, but it'll probably take them ruining entire economies and being run out of town on a rail to reverse course. Running, heating, cooling, and vehicles with electricity will require nuclear power and trillions in new infrastructure. The NIMBYs, who are in large part the solar/wind, and anti-oil, zealots, will have to be beaten down by their own foolishness before they'll embrace the only thing which could supplant a significant portion of oil, gas, and coal workloads. We're decades away from that.
I got mine 3 months ago and run for 8000km. The problem come out. The “rubber” at the regeneration break start wearing off and making strange noise. And when over 80km/hr, there is loud low pitch noise at the trunk. The charger stop charging by itself. The trunk door alignment have problem and the paint is scratched off. All the problem had been spotted out by the dealership technician. But they try to close their eye and insist everything is normal and refuse to fix it! This car made me crazy! I am going to sell it! It sucks
Avoid buying the first model year of a completely new EV platform. Sorry you had to learn the hard lesson.
2023 Compliance Mobility Product of the Year 🏆
A situation like this will kill the EV off for most people. The EV market is full of compliance vehicles. It vlgives the EV a bad name. Some would say tesla owners give the EV a bad name too. It’s a double edged sword. Both edges are sharp. And it will hurt with a bad experience. Turning people off the the EV as a whole. Love the video by the way.
You mentioned it being a compliance vehicle to make board members happy, I think as the push for all electric compliance, vehicle manufactures are feeling the pressure from their governments. This vehicle is a prime example what’s going to come out as the pressure to have all EV line up by 20xx.
I wasn't sure about this car until I got to the @2:22 mark. You've really sold me! I'm heading down to the Toyota Dealership tomorrow to place an order!
The AI segment made me skip forward. That was brutal. It felt like I was watching any other car review channel.
It's sad to hear you guys crap on the car, and I 100% agree that Toyota should be able to make a decent car, but they also made a BMW Supra.
I thought BMW made a Toyota Supra. 🤪
Meanwhile Subaru: Can we stop this, please?
I test drove a BZ4X and an EV6 the other day, and despite what all these TH-camrs say, I enjoyed driving the BZ4X far more than the EV6.
it's nice enough to drive around in. The problems arise with range, charging, thermals, and interior.
@@pan4632 the charging speeds do give me pause, but I also have no intention of taking one on a road trip that would exceed it's 200 mile range. 10-30 miles a day will be more my average use case. So not as big a deal to me.
And on the interior, I was worried I'd hate the psuedo-heads up display, but it was actually quite nice in person
LOVE LOVE LOVE the callback to Ridley Scott's 'Alien' with the 'green screen' and same sound effects.. As well as the inherent meaning of 'Mother' being a form of future AI.. Well played sir!
Toyota still wants to make hydrogen cars not EVs and it shows. There is a Venza prime too but it's not sold in the US as of yet. I've owned 2 new venzas and turning on the heat is exactly why I didn't even consider this.
This really is a refreshing take on BZ4X. Indonesian content creators all uniformly praise how advance this car is 😂
The Alex on autos crossover none of us have been waiting for 🤖
Why is there no Toyota Beepboop yet? (They could pretend it's a bebop reference, i.e. hip.)
In all seriousness, my dad was shopping for an EV back in January. We tried to test drive the BZ4X but didn’t even do so because the salesman basically scoffed at us for not having a charger at home and having to rely on fast charging outside, and said theres no point in buying this car if you don’t have a home charger. He’s right. But how about Toyota make a car that fast charges faster? Also we didn’t like the bulky dash, the weird cloth material like you said, etc.
thanks for the honest review guys. I feel like some other channels ('cough' TFL) gave this too much credit. But agreed it sucks, and if this is the future of EVs then I am truly sad for my children...
@@ThrowAway-md9zx TFL lost all credibility when they shipped their Ford Lightning to Alaska on a boat
the japanese auto makers are so far behind on EVs, that when your kids are driving they probably won't even be around. it'll be tesla (maybe other US makes) korean and chinese brands. Japanese will need 10 years to catch up mechanically and will never catch up in software.
I don't have this exact model but I do have the 2024 Subaru solterra and I absolutely love this car! Granted haven't driven a lot of evs, but it is so smooth and comfortable and fast and I have zero regrets. I understand for people that review thousands of cars they can get picky, but for the normal person that wants to lease something for an affordable price this car is beautiful and I'm very happy with it
Toyota: We gotta make this electric car look sleek and aerodynamic. Also Toyota: let's make the front a flat plane perpendicular to the ground.
Toyota has done itself a real disservice by the immediate and dramatic change in range whne the heater and AC are turned on. The numbers change on maximum range to zero range, on the dash--not on the battery. It's simply a best case/worst case reading. If you run the heater or AC on manual, the energy level used is minimal to none. I have driven mine in Tahoe snowstorms, cold weather in the Sierra foothills, and then temperate weather in the Bay Area. My best range was 283. I am consistently getting over 250. But the first week I had the car I ran it to zero twice and had it the dealer several times. I had the heat on 80+ and the settings on auto, which blast the fan on high and draw down the battery at a rapid rate. It's a superb car, and I am glad I bought this over my business partners' two Teslas. Rumor is that Toyota will software update and extend the range as well.
It's amazing to me how you guys were able to make a video about a car. So underwhelming so entertaining. And somehow creepy lol. Well with that being said You guys are my go-to for any car review, especially if I'm really interested in the car
Fantastic video! Really appreciate what y'all done here. 👌
these guys are the only American reviewers I like and find easy to listen to, the rest are over excited psychos. I normally choose British reviewers, but Jack and Mark are indeed very good, really good analysis.
The keyword British reminded me of - no, definitely not Top Gear - but TotalBiscuit / Cynical Brit, a video game reviewer who had the vibe matching the latter name and also did his reviews like the professional industry consultant he was. I found that credible, trustworthy, thus worth my time, thus in its own way entertaining.
I love this channel! I’m surprised a few people in my area are still buying this car. Maybe they got some good lease deals. I do like that it’s made in Japan. But you can tell Toyota didn’t want to make this car. I would definitely buy a RAV4 Prime over this.
Well in few years time they will get better at it.. They have to.
Don't count on it. Akio Toyoda is still Toyota's president, still thinks EVs are a fad, and still thinks the future is hydrogen.
@@littlestinker9716 good point
@@littlestinker9716 Just an update. Akio has already step down just a month ago and was replaced by Koji Sato who is planning to reform Toyota entire ev development.
Maybe....I think in the US the leading EV brands in future will be US, Korean and chinese. They have so much ground to cover.
Good luck buying one of these for $40k! Toyota dealers are adding "market adjustments" of many thousands to the price and people are still lining up.
Clever video and very entertaining and educational, as usual! Well done
First dealer I looked at had one discounted.
@@BAYAREAMX Interesting. Toyota dealer in the Seattle area had one at $10k over msrp.
This was perfectly executed video thank you
I didn't hear any actual criticisms other than "I don't like it" and "I don't know why it exists." Perhaps there is a subset of people that actually want a regular, non-exciting, no frills basically electric car that will work 10 years down the road with retaining 90% battery capacity.
It sounds like what it looks like. It's an EV RAV 4 with different styling inside. It's for people who want to use it to commute and have access to home charging.
Looks like you had fun making this one! Coming from owning several Lexus', I was waiting on the RZ450, but still decided to put a deposit on a GV60 while waiting. Got the GV last month, and although Genesis is a long way from being Lexus, and seeing what they did with this product in its Lexus form, I'm glad I took delivery of the GV60. Will not be looking back until Toyota/Lexus offers a product worthy of the name. Shame on them for putting this on the market!
With genesis I don’t think Lexus will even exist anymore. Genesis is the new Lexus
@@naveenthemachine Oh I can tell you that so far, their service is totally crap. They need to up their game if they want to compete in the luxury market. The cars are great, but their service is almost sub-Hyundai!
@@jprusso224 I’d rather give up the dealer experience to get a better car. Genesis shows it’s about the car. Not the brand. Lexus has the brand but their cars are beyond mediocre
Amazing! I'm sorry for those that are new here and didn't understand what you did in this video.