I knew this from the moment the specs were announced. 13700K is basically and improved 12900K or a 100Mhz slower 12900KS whichever way you look at it. For alder lake owners 13700K is a great option.
@@saricubra2867 I just sold my 12700k for $305 (bought for $300) and picked up a 13700k from microcenter for $375 13700k is also a great option for new builders that can just buy a z690 pro-a ddr4 for $140-160 and 32gb for $80-100
@@saricubra2867 lol sorta if you don't ever touch the bios but there's so much control over these cpus. The 13900k does perfectly fine with an undervolt/PL(200w) and still doing 2200 single, 38000 multi in cinebench R23 on a Deepcool AK620
Thank you for the great videos. I ended up going with a 13900k, Asus maximus z790, TForce 7800 and a 420 aio cooler. It was a tough decision between Intel and AMD, you made the decision easier. Hopefully Star Citizens is a little more enjoyable.
Great Channel! Very informative. Helped me a lot. Managed to finish my 12th built on a budget. i7 12700k + b660m + 4000mhz cl16 B-Die (550 usd). BCLK OC @1.2v full load Single core - 5.3ghz All core - 5.0ghz Ring - 4.6ghz Air Cooled (Deepcool Assassin 3) - max temp. around 80°C on Cinebench R23, OCCT, etc.
Subscribed just because of the Escape from Tarkov benchmark. It's a very unique game when it comes to CPU utilization, and it's extremely hard to find benchmarks for it.
Ordered a 13700KF to replace my 9700K. I'm happy with 12900K performance, for less money. I'll upgrade again when the 17700K comes out, unless I die or become homeless of course. You never know in this world.
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Will be pairing my 13700K with some Hynix A Die memory. Will take full advantage of the better memory controller with the Z790 boards. That is where you will see the difference.
@Kim Faes F*Kim It looks like my response applies to you as well. A Z690 board will take full advantage of raptor lake IMC with no issues. That's like having a B550 board and then buying an X570 board hoping to get a better memory OC. There are 2 things that play a role in memory overclocking. The connection between the CPU & RAM/ the signal integrity, and the BIOS optimizations. Both of those things have nothing to do with the chipset.
13th gen is just binned 12th gen with a raise in e cores per sku … kinda disappointing and not what they where planning but meteor lake wasn’t ready so there’s kinda a chance that 14th gen might be same socket 1700 and 1800 are same socket as far as I can tell… idk Intel doesn’t tell anybody anything about future products so there is no telling. But like I figured when alderlake was released if you got a i7 or i9 you will most likely not need to worry for 5 years we are at a point with CPUs that they aren’t going to get a lot faster, of course zen4 showed us it basically was barely better than 5000… and when they release the larger cache versions to get better gaming performance they most likely will sacrifice some of there regular workload performance like the 5800x3d … so at this point if you bought a alderlake on release Bravo you got 3 years of best performance possible without any upgrades needed. I love how the AMD fanboys brag about the fact they had to update 5 times on one socket to be competitive as if that’s a win … imagine you finally buy a 5800x after having a 2000 then 3000 to just a few months later have AMD say ohh yeah here’s a 5800x .2 that’s 5 percent faster in gaming hahaha. Man I’d be fucking pissed honestly but not the AMD fanbase they take it on the chin if INTEL would of did the same thing everyone would of been like what a money grab… but AMD does this and everyone on TH-cam comments sections can only take AMDs dick out there mouth just to tell everyone how great AMD are for gifting the world with a new $500 cpu, 6 months after telling everyone this is the last $500 cpu you will ever get for this platform … that would be like in 6 months from now Intel releasing a 13900kx with 5-10% ipc mainly in gaming you’d be pissed. Haha I just think it’s funny on both sides but the AMD fans are the funniest by far they are like emotionally attached to the company like it’s a personal friend. I have a couple ryzen builds myself and I have 4 Intel PCs also.. it’s kinda whatever does the job and is best performance for the money for what I’m doing with that machine…
It´s not binned, it has improved "3rd gen Superfin transistors" which gets you 200 Mhz more at same voltage by design. Plus more cache. It has more cache, higher clock speeds and better efficiency at same clock speeds. Plus some extra E-cores. Pretty decent for a 1-year-refresh.
I am on the same boat man and i am really wondering if its realy worth upgrading from a fullty tuned b die 10900k to a 13700 or 13900k ... Any other experiences you would like to share ? I am on an Asus Strix rtx3080 12gb and that gpu is not being fully utilised iin Warzone with the 10900k ...
@@TheMrRadish If you do uprgrade your move will be more justifiable than mine at least since the 9900k is already weaker than the 10900k ... i would do it if i were you ..
The intro fking KILLED me; it's basically every tech tuber on TH-cam in a nutshell. If we see anyone else's "reviews" with huge variances in FPS in comparing these same two CPU's, we know they be lyin' Keep smashin em out, 'cause if we're happy, you're happy!
Or they tested them differently. Remember the 12900K and 13700K are only roughly equivalent when clocked to the same speed. Most reviewers don't try to do this and likely will have the 13700k matched with faster RAM and such that will give it more of an advantage.
Appreciate the video, just to add, I saw a video from another TH-camr that has a 13900k and with the E-Cores disabled he seem to have the option to then enable AVX-512 on a MSI Z690 Unify.
THANK YOU Jufes, awesome work and really important. Real talk & real numbers - real advise. Your Channel is the most important (together with Gamers Nexus ) for hardware stuff in my opinion. Alright im gonna be completely honest, little bit disappointed about the 13700k performance cause it was my plan to upgrade to it. Having a 9900k right now and im really struggeling to decide between 13600k & 13700k. Price Performance wise it's a no brainer - 13600k. But my brain is like "you don't upgrade from 8 P cores to 6 P cores" - that's the only reason why i want the 13700k. I do mostly gaming. Little bit of editing here and there, also used blender and unity for a while - so i guess i don't "game only".
Cannot decide wether to buy the 13600k or 13700k, I‘m very sensitive to „dips“😅 aKa stuttering aka 0.1% lows, have a 4080rtx, at the moment I own a 58003dx, but I cannot take the stuttering anymore…wanted to give Intel a shot. Thank you🙏🙏🙏 great and funny content man:)
I'm trying to make the same decision as you! What did you end up going with? My main reason to go for the 13700k is solely because Z690/Z790 motherboards are already quite expensive so might as well go with a 13700k as it would make more sense.
Buying an old i9-12900K that has AVX512 instruction set for Playstation 3 emulation isn't worth it. The IPC for the Golden Cove P-cores is so big that a 12700K is enough and will outperform Zen 3 and a R7-5800X3D, games will run better than a real PS3. Note: you want 8 P-cores, they are faster than 6 P-cores for RPCS3, if you run God of War 3 on a 11900K (with 5.4GHz and AVX512 enabled), it outperforms the entirety of Zen 3 (perfect 60fps) but CPU load is 100% at 720p. That's how CPU intensive it is (the emulator has some optimizations but it likes 8 fast cores too). i7-12700K is the sweetspot. You get 8 P-cores matching the perfomance of 11900K with OC and AVX512, plus the extra 4 e-cores while you have a huge efficency improvement, better gaming, better thermals and productivity. There are versions with AVX512 too but it's so difficult to find and honestly not worth it.
The amount that I have learned in regards to cpu pricing, performance, and stats in regards to gaming while cutting through marketing bs from you is staggering. I would have made some poorly informed choices for my build if not for you.
@@jabalajabolindest4852 This chip has been hell for me. I can't seem to get the thermals in check even with a custom loop. It doesn't like going over 4.5ghz and again the thermals creep up to 90c. I've even let a friend try and tune it to no avail. Open for ideas though.
You showed that IPC is essentially identical, yes...by clocking both processors at the same clock rate. However, out of the box performance of the 13700k is superior to the 12900k because it has a higher clock rate. It also has higher headroom to overclock. I'm easily running a 13700k at 5.6Ghz with no voltage mods. It also shows that both processors were able to keep a 4090 churning at ITS limit which it why you're seeing similar results for both. You're witnessing the 4090 being the bottleneck, not the processors.
Jufes you haven't told us if the 13700k overclocks better though than the 12900k ... Maybe you could squezze some more performance there if you could achieve a 5.8 ghz overclock like other reviewers are saying these chips are capable of ... Thank for your reviews btw ...
@@FrameChasers Dude thank you so much for this video! as far as ram ocing goes. I'm on ddr4 and grabbed rev e because it was MUCH cheaper for DR 32gbs. Should I grab a 13th gen cpu like a 13600k for the better imc soni can up the frequency to make up for the lack of latency since I'm not getting bdie? I'm also keeping e cores on. Thanks man.
@@FrameChasers i know man but it seems others have easily clocked their 13600k's to 5.6 all core and their 13700 and 13900 at 5.8 all core with 360 AIOs and i was wondering if you could verify that Raptor lake binning is of greater quality ... thx again
@Salt Maker degradation doesn't happen until 1.5v according to intel them selves... i had a 2600k at 1.45v for 10 years... still worked fine and benchmarked the exact same scores maybe if you run the cpu at high load and temps constantly it will degrade.
I'm torn. I have a 4090 with an i5 12600k but am getting quite a bit of bottlenecking in many games that I play although the frames are still more than acceptable at 4K max settings. Should I swap out the i5 for an i9 12900k or get a new motherboard, ddr5 ram, and ai7 13700k?? Or just get the 13700k and use my current ddr4 ram? I primarily plan on playing 4k. Thanks for the GREAT content.
If you are on budget, then getting i7 13700k or even i9 13900k make more sense. The increasement in performance when upgrading ram from ddr4 to ddr5 to very minor.
my 12900k only ran at 5.1ghz with a ton of work... my 13900k runs at 5.5 out of the box all core (msi tuning i guess) and has more in the tank my guy. not all 12900k's can go past 5ghz even. just throwing that out there for my bros. i have it running 5.6ghz with peaks of 5.9 rn and it is rock solid
so you dont have to do anything like enable a auto overclock ? i can just buy a 13700k and it will max out by default or what i dont undertsand and im not paying this dude to do what i can learn
Was planning on upgrading to the 13900k in the near future, but as always I wait to see what you say. Looks like the 13700k is the cpu to get for me. As always, thanks for the honest reviews!
@@ryananderson5203 hell yeah, i couldnt pass up the 13900k pricing from them. im coming from a 10900k and this thing is substantially faster for sure. just got sone building it and im going to game now. enjoy, i know i will lol.
Excellent stuff. I think all the big boys have things wrong. Nvidia, Intel, AMD all released new power hungry products. In some cases, more expensive. Outside the bubble - a lot of people expended too much money on tech, and spending again in a recession and in a power problem is I think going to show in sales - or lack of. The other killer is that for many people, once they are beyond the old 4/4 core/thread area, they have effective compute. Its going to rapidly become not the area people spend in. I am sad about that, its not a place to be with tech enthusiasm. But 300W processors and 600watt GPUs is just in the wrong place at the wrong time :(
Pretty interesting comparison regarding the IPC... you've earned a sub! The only saving grace I see for the 13700K, is that on average they *should* be able to clock slightly higher on average given the Intel 7 node maturity / core refinement... so that's probably where we're going to see improvements. Oh, and the fact that out of the box RPL supports higher official memory frequencies than ADL... your case of being able to run 7600 on your 12900 isn't necessarily going to work for everyone's... but is probably almost more likely to happen on RPL due to the aforementioned refinements. If I was on a 12900K, I probably wouldn't upgrade mind you... PS. what are your thoughts on upgrading from a an 11900?
Wouldn’t upgrade unless you or doing multithread workloads regularly… If this is for gaming it depends do you have a rtx3090 or better GPU already?? If not upgrading your GPU will always give you more performance increase in gaming than your cpu. You have a very good CPU you should have a 4090 before I’d upgrade my cpu if I was you haha … pcie 4 and 5 or moot as far as nvme speeds not really worth it but you should have pcie4 anyway and it’s still as good as anyone needs you should be golden for another 5 years honestly unless you just want the best , people shot on Intel 10th and 11th gen but it was the best for gaming still AMD 5000 merely caught up finally and 12th/13th gen barely topped AMD so you might be 10% slower in 1080p gaming at the very most id imagine and if you game at 1440p maybe 3-5% slower and 4k dead tie hahaha Moores law is way dead with CPU single core workloads. Intel had that shit pretty tapped out in 2014… hahaha it’s been 5% incremental arms race since then with AMD being 5 years behind till literally 5000 series.
just bought the i7 13700k for $2 more then the i9 12900k on new egg so the prices have balanced out as of this week. So like you said why not go with 13th gen if you are going to build a new pc.
Good video. They are the same but one is an i9 and one is an i7 that is newer and cheaper. That's the difference. You get an i9 for i7 price. I never thought the 13700k was faster than the 12900k, I just know it's cheaper. Rule #1 of PC building: NEVER replace your CPU every generation. Only replace your CPU until you need to replace it. I upgraded this week from a 9700k to a 13700k. That was four generations and the 9700k is still strong, if the 9700k wasn't lacking hyper threading, I wouldn't have upgraded yet.
It is faster and it works in higher clocks when i7 on 5.3ghz an i9 on 4.9ghz. At the same time i7 is cooler. Than person overclocked to the frequencies of 13700k and there was a little difference for a result of 10mb l2 cache.
@@ШохрухАбдурахманов-с2я I was comparing the 12900k and the 13700k. I never mentioned the 13900k, it has 4 more cores than the 13700k. They aren't even close to the same CPU.
@@auntiepha8343 this man actually overclocked 12900k and compared with 13700K) . In stock settings 12900k even will be slower than core i5 13600k in gaming
Could you also push frequency on the cores and ring to the max on the 13900K? I know that we‘re likely close to already maxing it out with 12900K speeds, but some games like Spider-Man RT still seem to care and the jump to 5.8/5.1 GHz or maybe even more on the ring at least still has potential to scale in some games. Thanks a lot for all the testing!
I play Spiderman with RT and get mostly smooth high FPS but in some cases experience severe stutters when swinging low to ground. I game on an OC'd 10980xe, always wondered if Alderlake or now Raptorlake would eliminate the stutters completely. From your post, it sounds like your experience with Alderlake and Spiderman isn't perfect either, so thanks for posting that.
@@jak3All3n I‘m still on a 9700K and currently saving for a new CPU, but if there is any chip/ram combination that can make that game smooth it‘s the 13900K with well-tuned DDR5. Although I usually don‘t recommend some random benchmark channel on TH-cam there is one guy tests the new Raptor Lake chips stock, but does so including Spider-Man with RT and the difference between the 13900K and the lower tier ones is quite significant in the 1% lows despite the 13700K already running at decent speeds out of the box. Channel is called Benchmarks for Gamers and this is the video I‘m talking about: th-cam.com/video/r_hEx3uVnXM/w-d-xo.html So very consistent in the frame time graph, 1% lows consistently above 100 fps and that‘s stock with mediocre memory. Once you add properly tuned M-Die or A-Die it will be even better. This game really scales with everything including clocks and additional cache.
@@ledooni Spiderman is weird though, it typically only starts stuttering for me after an hour or 2 of gaming, not immediately. So while it may look smooth in benchmarks, I don't know that it won't stutter had they actually played the game for a number of hours. But thanks for linking the benchmark
I got a question if you can help me out, PLEASE. I actually own BOTH these CPUS and I haven't gotten a chance to install them on my boards. Now with the 13700K, I have to update the BIOS. So suppose, I use an Z690 Gigabyte Ultra DDR5 board - What is this, update the Bios and and another Windows "driver" or something they mentioned. Do you know what, I'm talking about ????????? Help please.
I like the idea behind this test, but I'm having a hard time believing you managed to get the 12900K to even POST with DDR5-7600, even on a two-DIMM motherboard. It makes me skeptical of your results.
I decided on the 13700k but now I am struggling to choose ram. Does the law of the cheapest correlate to DDR5? Currently looking at GSkill 6000 cas 36 for $190
shouldn't we compare overclocked 12900 vs 13700? that's what we're all going to do anyway or we wouldnt by 'K' chips. Does 13700k have a greater capacity for overclocking at lower voltages?
This man is 1 in a billion. Who else out there will tell you the truth as it is and call things the way they are? No one
Me
@@branchprediction9923 youre not a streamer so already youre full of shit hahaha
Everyone except Intel and AMD.
@@freegames2787 and Jensen "Times of cheap gpus are gone..."
I do, but since he is me I like him!
Thank you for doing a 13700, imo it is a sweet spot due to the 8x performance cores. and 4mb cache per core.
I knew this from the moment the specs were announced. 13700K is basically and improved 12900K or a 100Mhz slower 12900KS whichever way you look at it. For alder lake owners 13700K is a great option.
@@KirkLazurus "13700K is a great option"
If you upgrade from an i5-12400 or i3-12100.
@@saricubra2867 I just sold my 12700k for $305 (bought for $300) and picked up a 13700k from microcenter for $375
13700k is also a great option for new builders that can just buy a z690 pro-a ddr4 for $140-160 and 32gb for $80-100
@@SamLoki 13700K is the only high end Raptor Lake high end chip that can be barely air cooled too.
@@saricubra2867 lol sorta if you don't ever touch the bios but there's so much control over these cpus. The 13900k does perfectly fine with an undervolt/PL(200w) and still doing 2200 single, 38000 multi in cinebench R23 on a Deepcool AK620
Thank you for the great videos. I ended up going with a 13900k, Asus maximus z790, TForce 7800 and a 420 aio cooler. It was a tough decision between Intel and AMD, you made the decision easier. Hopefully Star Citizens is a little more enjoyable.
Putting the in video ads right before the warzone benchmarks *chefs kiss*
13700K seems decent price vs performance in my opinion.
Great Channel! Very informative. Helped me a lot.
Managed to finish my 12th built on a budget.
i7 12700k + b660m + 4000mhz cl16 B-Die (550 usd).
BCLK OC @1.2v full load
Single core - 5.3ghz
All core - 5.0ghz
Ring - 4.6ghz
Air Cooled (Deepcool Assassin 3) - max temp. around 80°C on Cinebench R23, OCCT, etc.
you left the bclk overclocked config?
@@mircomputers I ended up changing to a Z690 board, because I upgraded ram to dual rank B-Die and the b660m was unstable sometimes.
Subscribed just because of the Escape from Tarkov benchmark. It's a very unique game when it comes to CPU utilization, and it's extremely hard to find benchmarks for it.
Ordered a 13700KF to replace my 9700K. I'm happy with 12900K performance, for less money.
I'll upgrade again when the 17700K comes out, unless I die or become homeless of course. You never know in this world.
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Just dropped by in the comments to say thank you so much for ALL your explicit superfire work, and thx to the patreons ofcourse making this THE nr1 pc content channel imo....
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Will be pairing my 13700K with some Hynix A Die memory. Will take full advantage of the better memory controller with the Z790 boards. That is where you will see the difference.
Z790 boards are a complete waste of money. The DDR5 memory controller is on the CPU.
@Kim Faes F*Kim Nope.
@Kim Faes F*Kim It looks like my response applies to you as well. A Z690 board will take full advantage of raptor lake IMC with no issues. That's like having a B550 board and then buying an X570 board hoping to get a better memory OC.
There are 2 things that play a role in memory overclocking. The connection between the CPU & RAM/ the signal integrity, and the BIOS optimizations. Both of those things have nothing to do with the chipset.
As far as the Motherboard having anything to do with it depends on how many layers the board has and the shielding.
Now this is exactly what I've been waiting for.
look at this graph
Omfg God that intro! Rewatched it 4 times.
How does Temps and Power Consumption compare. And can you do max overclock-optimisation between 12900K vs 13700K.
This channel is the dopest of dopes.
13th gen is just binned 12th gen with a raise in e cores per sku … kinda disappointing and not what they where planning but meteor lake wasn’t ready so there’s kinda a chance that 14th gen might be same socket 1700 and 1800 are same socket as far as I can tell… idk Intel doesn’t tell anybody anything about future products so there is no telling.
But like I figured when alderlake was released if you got a i7 or i9 you will most likely not need to worry for 5 years we are at a point with CPUs that they aren’t going to get a lot faster, of course zen4 showed us it basically was barely better than 5000… and when they release the larger cache versions to get better gaming performance they most likely will sacrifice some of there regular workload performance like the 5800x3d … so at this point if you bought a alderlake on release Bravo you got 3 years of best performance possible without any upgrades needed.
I love how the AMD fanboys brag about the fact they had to update 5 times on one socket to be competitive as if that’s a win … imagine you finally buy a 5800x after having a 2000 then 3000 to just a few months later have AMD say ohh yeah here’s a 5800x .2 that’s 5 percent faster in gaming hahaha. Man I’d be fucking pissed honestly but not the AMD fanbase they take it on the chin if INTEL would of did the same thing everyone would of been like what a money grab… but AMD does this and everyone on TH-cam comments sections can only take AMDs dick out there mouth just to tell everyone how great AMD are for gifting the world with a new $500 cpu, 6 months after telling everyone this is the last $500 cpu you will ever get for this platform … that would be like in 6 months from now Intel releasing a 13900kx with 5-10% ipc mainly in gaming you’d be pissed. Haha I just think it’s funny on both sides but the AMD fans are the funniest by far they are like emotionally attached to the company like it’s a personal friend.
I have a couple ryzen builds myself and I have 4 Intel PCs also.. it’s kinda whatever does the job and is best performance for the money for what I’m doing with that machine…
It´s not binned, it has improved "3rd gen Superfin transistors" which gets you 200 Mhz more at same voltage by design. Plus more cache. It has more cache, higher clock speeds and better efficiency at same clock speeds. Plus some extra E-cores. Pretty decent for a 1-year-refresh.
I’ve gone from 10850k to 13900k & I gained 50-60 fps lows on vanguard 1440p
Ok
I am on the same boat man and i am really wondering if its realy worth upgrading from a fullty tuned b die 10900k to a 13700 or 13900k ... Any other experiences you would like to share ? I am on an Asus Strix rtx3080 12gb and that gpu is not being fully utilised iin Warzone with the 10900k ...
@@versus4582 i'm thinking about upgrade because of my shitty sample of 9900kf. 4.8Ghz on 1.31v...
@@TheMrRadish If you do uprgrade your move will be more justifiable than mine at least since the 9900k is already weaker than the 10900k ... i would do it if i were you ..
@@versus4582 i’ll download warzone & let you know the difference, im using the same ddr4 ram to
Now this is what i wanted to see. Best i7 ever, plus it must be a streaming beast.
The intro fking KILLED me; it's basically every tech tuber on TH-cam in a nutshell.
If we see anyone else's "reviews" with huge variances in FPS in comparing these same two CPU's, we know they be lyin'
Keep smashin em out, 'cause if we're happy, you're happy!
Or they tested them differently. Remember the 12900K and 13700K are only roughly equivalent when clocked to the same speed. Most reviewers don't try to do this and likely will have the 13700k matched with faster RAM and such that will give it more of an advantage.
I didn’t even watch the entire video, thanks Ivan for going through with this though. It was very helpful and I appreciate it.
Loved the intro ... I definitely will be watching more of your stuff.
Appreciate the video, just to add, I saw a video from another TH-camr that has a 13900k and with the E-Cores disabled he seem to have the option to then enable AVX-512 on a MSI Z690 Unify.
Hahha, your intro made me laugh!
Thanks!:)
I love your point of view.. because is more gamer-oriented.
Wow, I learned things I never heard of. Great video and you’ve got a new subscriber. My 13700KF is coming today
Why Kf? Wouldn’t you want the internal video for troubleshooting?
The f’n intro 😂☠️👊🏼✌🏼❤️
Lol at that intro, missed an opportunity to impose Steve from HUB's face on it. Would have been hilarious 😅🤣🤣
Typing at the start of the vid to help the algorithm :)
I pointed this one out in several places, a bit like the 4080 12gb was only going to be half the 4090
Delicious. Finally some good f***ing overclock benchmarks.
THANK YOU Jufes, awesome work and really important. Real talk & real numbers - real advise. Your Channel is the most important (together with Gamers Nexus ) for hardware stuff in my opinion. Alright im gonna be completely honest, little bit disappointed about the 13700k performance cause it was my plan to upgrade to it. Having a 9900k right now and im really struggeling to decide between 13600k & 13700k. Price Performance wise it's a no brainer - 13600k. But my brain is like "you don't upgrade from 8 P cores to 6 P cores" - that's the only reason why i want the 13700k. I do mostly gaming. Little bit of editing here and there, also used blender and unity for a while - so i guess i don't "game only".
Same exact boat here man.
get a 13700k. you won't regret it. i went from 9900k to 13700k for gaming and the difference is quite noticeable.
No ridgewallet, no bite ramen, no BS…just a big ole meat stick of truth in your face.
I am totally prepared to have a worse IMC than I did on my 12900KS lol. I fully admit I fucked up in selling that thing.
I called it. 0% IPC difference.
among the 2 which would pick up for ddr4?
Awesome video, thanks. Now I am definitely getting the 13700k
Cannot decide wether to buy the 13600k or 13700k, I‘m very sensitive to „dips“😅 aKa stuttering aka 0.1% lows, have a 4080rtx, at the moment I own a 58003dx, but I cannot take the stuttering anymore…wanted to give Intel a shot.
Thank you🙏🙏🙏 great and funny content man:)
I'm trying to make the same decision as you! What did you end up going with?
My main reason to go for the 13700k is solely because Z690/Z790 motherboards are already quite expensive so might as well go with a 13700k as it would make more sense.
Thanks for all the help
Buying an old i9-12900K that has AVX512 instruction set for Playstation 3 emulation isn't worth it. The IPC for the Golden Cove P-cores is so big that a 12700K is enough and will outperform Zen 3 and a R7-5800X3D, games will run better than a real PS3.
Note: you want 8 P-cores, they are faster than 6 P-cores for RPCS3, if you run God of War 3 on a 11900K (with 5.4GHz and AVX512 enabled), it outperforms the entirety of Zen 3 (perfect 60fps) but CPU load is 100% at 720p. That's how CPU intensive it is (the emulator has some optimizations but it likes 8 fast cores too).
i7-12700K is the sweetspot. You get 8 P-cores matching the perfomance of 11900K with OC and AVX512, plus the extra 4 e-cores while you have a huge efficency improvement, better gaming, better thermals and productivity. There are versions with AVX512 too but it's so difficult to find and honestly not worth it.
The amount that I have learned in regards to cpu pricing, performance, and stats in regards to gaming while cutting through marketing bs from you is staggering. I would have made some poorly informed choices for my build if not for you.
great video, thank you for your hard work, it's incredibly appreciated 😇
I'm about to upgrade from my i9-9900k to the i7-13700k. I will use the links thanks!
Don't. Wait for meteor lake, 9900k is still perfectly capable chip.
@Salt Maker I hear Meteor Lake is DOA, so I'll just wait for your mom to wake up so she can make me pancakes.
@Salt Maker It's not hard to infer what dead end means... I just don't recall asking for your opinion on the matter. Enjoy being salty =)
@@jabalajabolindest4852 This chip has been hell for me. I can't seem to get the thermals in check even with a custom loop. It doesn't like going over 4.5ghz and again the thermals creep up to 90c. I've even let a friend try and tune it to no avail. Open for ideas though.
@Salt Maker u stay salty dude, when u get a 4090 then u can talk to me kid
I’m still trying to preach about this but nope some want to burn that money.
Genius idea for a benchmark, good job
So the 13700k has more cache.Shouldn't that help in 1%/0.1%? If I had to choose id go for the 13700k.
You showed that IPC is essentially identical, yes...by clocking both processors at the same clock rate. However, out of the box performance of the 13700k is superior to the 12900k because it has a higher clock rate. It also has higher headroom to overclock. I'm easily running a 13700k at 5.6Ghz with no voltage mods. It also shows that both processors were able to keep a 4090 churning at ITS limit which it why you're seeing similar results for both. You're witnessing the 4090 being the bottleneck, not the processors.
Jufes you haven't told us if the 13700k overclocks better though than the 12900k ... Maybe you could squezze some more performance there if you could achieve a 5.8 ghz overclock like other reviewers are saying these chips are capable of ... Thank for your reviews btw ...
I do all core, not single core. I also don’t run my CPU’s above 75c
@@FrameChasers Dude thank you so much for this video! as far as ram ocing goes. I'm on ddr4 and grabbed rev e because it was MUCH cheaper for DR 32gbs. Should I grab a 13th gen cpu like a 13600k for the better imc soni can up the frequency to make up for the lack of latency since I'm not getting bdie? I'm also keeping e cores on. Thanks man.
I was watching this video on mute, disregard the imc part of the comment. it's 2 am here.
@@FrameChasers i know man but it seems others have easily clocked their 13600k's to 5.6 all core and their 13700 and 13900 at 5.8 all core with 360 AIOs and i was wondering if you could verify that Raptor lake binning is of greater quality ... thx again
+2fps for people who have a good 12900k... mine struggles to do 5.1ghz even with a lot of vcore lol...
@Salt Maker degradation doesn't happen until 1.5v according to intel them selves... i had a 2600k at 1.45v for 10 years... still worked fine and benchmarked the exact same scores maybe if you run the cpu at high load and temps constantly it will degrade.
this is exactly what I was looking for. Did you do any power usage tests?
Love your videos, keep up the great work.
For the algorithm
Great stuff man
Good karma results in Jufes always getting the good bins that 13600k ddr4 imc is impressive !
I'm torn. I have a 4090 with an i5 12600k but am getting quite a bit of bottlenecking in many games that I play although the frames are still more than acceptable at 4K max settings. Should I swap out the i5 for an i9 12900k or get a new motherboard, ddr5 ram, and ai7 13700k?? Or just get the 13700k and use my current ddr4 ram?
I primarily plan on playing 4k.
Thanks for the GREAT content.
If you are on budget, then getting i7 13700k or even i9 13900k make more sense. The increasement in performance when upgrading ram from ddr4 to ddr5 to very minor.
This video literally helped me stick to my 12th gen...i probably should have never even left the 10th gen but appreciate this video!
my 12900k only ran at 5.1ghz with a ton of work... my 13900k runs at 5.5 out of the box all core (msi tuning i guess) and has more in the tank my guy. not all 12900k's can go past 5ghz even. just throwing that out there for my bros. i have it running 5.6ghz with peaks of 5.9 rn and it is rock solid
so you dont have to do anything like enable a auto overclock ? i can just buy a 13700k and it will max out by default or what i dont undertsand and im not paying this dude to do what i can learn
oh really? my 12900k always runs 5.2(p-cores) and 3.9(e-cores) out of box, without OC.
Was planning on upgrading to the 13900k in the near future, but as always I wait to see what you say. Looks like the 13700k is the cpu to get for me.
As always, thanks for the honest reviews!
You're welcome
Love the channel. Think a noctua dh15 and an 850watt can handle 5.3 13700k and 7200 ddr 5?
Modern Warfare 2 Campaign would be good to bench.
I went 13th gen due to it being cheaper than 12th gen. Microcenter has it the cheapest out of anybody. 399 for 13700k and 569 for 13900k
Same Micro Center had a killer deal at 560 for the 13900k. Thing beats the pisz out of my 5900x ddr4 setup out of box in hero790/ddr5 6600.
@@ryananderson5203 hell yeah, i couldnt pass up the 13900k pricing from them. im coming from a 10900k and this thing is substantially faster for sure. just got sone building it and im going to game now. enjoy, i know i will lol.
So how does the 13600K vs 12700K compare with overclocks?
Excellent stuff.
I think all the big boys have things wrong. Nvidia, Intel, AMD all released new power hungry products. In some cases, more expensive. Outside the bubble - a lot of people expended too much money on tech, and spending again in a recession and in a power problem is I think going to show in sales - or lack of. The other killer is that for many people, once they are beyond the old 4/4 core/thread area, they have effective compute. Its going to rapidly become not the area people spend in.
I am sad about that, its not a place to be with tech enthusiasm. But 300W processors and 600watt GPUs is just in the wrong place at the wrong time :(
I don't get it, why Hardware unboxed show an improvement from 12 generation to 13 generation...
Because techtubers like him don't show frametime graphs and videogame footage, they can cherrypick results and push a narrative for sponsors.
Because they are using out of the box configurations ... They don't know or dont care to maximize each platform's performance for consumers sake ...
@@saricubra2867 he is not cherry picking anything he shows systems with stock clocks and no power limits this test here is 12900k oc
@@versus4582 they know how to maximize but audience is mostly average user who dont care about stuff like that and wont run expensive ddr5 kits
The problem here in Brazil, a.k.a Xandaquistão, is: There is not 13700K in the market and also Z790 MoBos are extremelly expensive.
I love that intro, what is that group!
And we're happy to be your students.. Best wishes.
I'm pleased my 13900kf does 5.5 all core undervolt 1.18v
@@F1monster1 I'm on holiday away so haven't tested in gaming. I haven't turned it properly yet. Soon as I get back I'll continue on and find out
Man thanks again for your work, gonna buy this i7 for a new rig!
for a streamer which one would you recommend?
Wow, this Video was exactly what I was looking for. it answered all my questions. Only Curiosity is What Motherboard was used for the testing??
Looks like I'll be trying to grab a 2nd hand 12900k off eBay.
I have i9-12900ks, is it worth upgrading or just staying what I have now.
Let’s go!!❤
Or go buy the Ryzen 7950x which does support AVX 512 and basically goes tit for tat with the 13900k. 😏
W8 fore 79503d mate that will win easy
@@patrickkarlsson9224 But won't all core overclock anywhere near aswell as the 7950x.
Thank you for the information
what graphics card was used? im sorry i missed the info i think and ive played it back and cant find it by looking at bits😭
I kind of consider any benchmark that does not entail compiling llvm 100 times in a row to be somewhat invalid.
Pretty interesting comparison regarding the IPC... you've earned a sub! The only saving grace I see for the 13700K, is that on average they *should* be able to clock slightly higher on average given the Intel 7 node maturity / core refinement... so that's probably where we're going to see improvements. Oh, and the fact that out of the box RPL supports higher official memory frequencies than ADL... your case of being able to run 7600 on your 12900 isn't necessarily going to work for everyone's... but is probably almost more likely to happen on RPL due to the aforementioned refinements.
If I was on a 12900K, I probably wouldn't upgrade mind you...
PS. what are your thoughts on upgrading from a an 11900?
What 11900?
It's i7-11700S
@@saricubra2867 There's also 11900's....
@@heyitsjel No. It's an i7 imposter.
Wouldn’t upgrade unless you or doing multithread workloads regularly…
If this is for gaming it depends do you have a rtx3090 or better GPU already??
If not upgrading your GPU will always give you more performance increase in gaming than your cpu.
You have a very good CPU you should have a 4090 before I’d upgrade my cpu if I was you haha … pcie 4 and 5 or moot as far as nvme speeds not really worth it but you should have pcie4 anyway and it’s still as good as anyone needs you should be golden for another 5 years honestly unless you just want the best , people shot on Intel 10th and 11th gen but it was the best for gaming still AMD 5000 merely caught up finally and 12th/13th gen barely topped AMD so you might be 10% slower in 1080p gaming at the very most id imagine and if you game at 1440p maybe 3-5% slower and 4k dead tie hahaha Moores law is way dead with CPU single core workloads.
Intel had that shit pretty tapped out in 2014… hahaha it’s been 5% incremental arms race since then with AMD being 5 years behind till literally 5000 series.
In warzone that 12900k had your 4090 run three bins higher at 3015mhz compared to 2970 on raptorlake, was it run to run?
love the nickelback intro
that intro tho 🤣
everythings better than the shit top that kept crashing zoom so I'll just enjoy life with 7600 and try not to feel too bad for myself 😭😭
Thanks for your work
just bought the i7 13700k for $2 more then the i9 12900k on new egg so the prices have balanced out as of this week. So like you said why not go with 13th gen if you are going to build a new pc.
Why not include every time and makes me laugh on the intro!! Still comedy gold
Good video. They are the same but one is an i9 and one is an i7 that is newer and cheaper. That's the difference. You get an i9 for i7 price. I never thought the 13700k was faster than the 12900k, I just know it's cheaper. Rule #1 of PC building: NEVER replace your CPU every generation. Only replace your CPU until you need to replace it. I upgraded this week from a 9700k to a 13700k. That was four generations and the 9700k is still strong, if the 9700k wasn't lacking hyper threading, I wouldn't have upgraded yet.
It is faster and it works in higher clocks when i7 on 5.3ghz an i9 on 4.9ghz. At the same time i7 is cooler. Than person overclocked to the frequencies of 13700k and there was a little difference for a result of 10mb l2 cache.
If i will overclock 13700k to the frequencies of 13900k. There also won't be any difference ,but it doesn't mean they are the same cpus
@@ШохрухАбдурахманов-с2я I was comparing the 12900k and the 13700k. I never mentioned the 13900k, it has 4 more cores than the 13700k. They aren't even close to the same CPU.
@@auntiepha8343 8 More cores not 4.
@@auntiepha8343 this man actually overclocked 12900k and compared with 13700K) . In stock settings 12900k even will be slower than core i5 13600k in gaming
Could you also push frequency on the cores and ring to the max on the 13900K? I know that we‘re likely close to already maxing it out with 12900K speeds, but some games like Spider-Man RT still seem to care and the jump to 5.8/5.1 GHz or maybe even more on the ring at least still has potential to scale in some games. Thanks a lot for all the testing!
I play Spiderman with RT and get mostly smooth high FPS but in some cases experience severe stutters when swinging low to ground. I game on an OC'd 10980xe, always wondered if Alderlake or now Raptorlake would eliminate the stutters completely. From your post, it sounds like your experience with Alderlake and Spiderman isn't perfect either, so thanks for posting that.
@@jak3All3n
I‘m still on a 9700K and currently saving for a new CPU, but if there is any chip/ram combination that can make that game smooth it‘s the 13900K with well-tuned DDR5. Although I usually don‘t recommend some random benchmark channel on TH-cam there is one guy tests the new Raptor Lake chips stock, but does so including Spider-Man with RT and the difference between the 13900K and the lower tier ones is quite significant in the 1% lows despite the 13700K already running at decent speeds out of the box. Channel is called Benchmarks for Gamers and this is the video I‘m talking about:
th-cam.com/video/r_hEx3uVnXM/w-d-xo.html
So very consistent in the frame time graph, 1% lows consistently above 100 fps and that‘s stock with mediocre memory. Once you add properly tuned M-Die or A-Die it will be even better. This game really scales with everything including clocks and additional cache.
@@ledooni Spiderman is weird though, it typically only starts stuttering for me after an hour or 2 of gaming, not immediately. So while it may look smooth in benchmarks, I don't know that it won't stutter had they actually played the game for a number of hours.
But thanks for linking the benchmark
Just got the 12900k. Won’t be doing any crazy oc on it. Gaming at 1440p. Would a 240 aio be enough to keep it cool? Thanks!
On the real, do I need to upgrade from a i9-12900KF?
Best budget motherboard for the i5 13600k?
TH-cam recommendation algorithm is a bitch.
I got a question if you can help me out, PLEASE.
I actually own BOTH these CPUS and I haven't gotten a chance to install them on my boards. Now with the 13700K, I have to update the BIOS. So suppose, I use an Z690 Gigabyte Ultra DDR5 board - What is this, update the Bios and and another Windows "driver" or something they mentioned. Do you know what, I'm talking about ????????? Help please.
0:08 That face!
I like the idea behind this test, but I'm having a hard time believing you managed to get the 12900K to even POST with DDR5-7600, even on a two-DIMM motherboard. It makes me skeptical of your results.
1 year later and now the i9 12900k is cheaper than the i7 13700k.
do this again but with the contact frame? Worth it?
Just do bare die with no hold down
All i know is if i brought a 12900k i would be p*ssed right now.
after watching your video I feel much better with my i9 12900k
I decided on the 13700k but now I am struggling to choose ram. Does the law of the cheapest correlate to DDR5? Currently looking at GSkill 6000 cas 36 for $190
Should atleast see some 12900k's drop in price second hand as they are currently - at least in the UK - nearly the same price as a new 13700k.
Check eBay, I've seen them going for £350-400 if you're patient enough.
shouldn't we compare overclocked 12900 vs 13700? that's what we're all going to do anyway or we wouldnt by 'K' chips. Does 13700k have a greater capacity for overclocking at lower voltages?