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Steve, I was really impressed by the production values of your opening intro. Would you have time to accept a freelance job helping me create such an intro for all of my work-related Zoom sessions? I want people to understand what I'm all about before they even get a chance to speak. QUICK UPDATE: What kind of plant should I buy to step out of? That was a really dramatic reveal.
"Those are some embarrassing numbers for a new generation and slap in the face price!!!! MOTHER F*** Intel" - Intel Customers "High five! Fist pump!" - AMD
@@logirexquick question please explain what that does for anyone how does a separate ai npu work better that making a larger primary core with more transisters.
i know somebody who has a difficult time understanding the naming scheme of cpu's. i feel like this intro is what he heard when i tried to explain it to him
i laughed a few times audibly funniest intro to tech video ever. desperately waiting for steve to retire and do stand up comedy. he would make more money and get more sleep if he did go into standup.
If you primary use of your PC is gaming, AMD and especially the 3D is so much faster and even with 3x lower power usage compared to the 14th gen I5 for the same price.
To be fair to the 14700K that was in an all core blender workload with 8 P cores and 12 e cores going 100% and it took the 7800X3D 70% longer to complete the render in the benchmark for blender
That snarkiness is all u need to know about scumbag steve and how shitty of a friend he was to Linus. Truth is, he was never a friend, Steve is a SNAKE.
The 7800X3D & 5800X3D are damn impressive. Wow. I have a 7800X3D (upgrading soon) and knowing the CPU will last me for a while is very nice. Not to mention the support too.
The 5800x3d isn’t a bad option for upgrading from a 5600x since it’s the best cpu for gaming of AM4 and usually the better option for the price than upgrading everything to be am5 compatible
@@draketurtle4169 my pc has 5900x.. my brother now has 5800x3d I'm geniunely getting jealous, but I bought it for him myself. But at least i know, both CPU's are outstanding good values. His is faster, mine is more efficient. And yet.. mine is watercooled. His isn't XD
@@InTecknicolourIt depends, because the brute force of IPC, core count and memory of the i7-12700K (best i7 ever made in a decade IMO) can beat a Ryzen 7 5800X3D. It's extremely easy to cool an i7-12700K with air cooling and use PL2=PL1 for infinite tau. For context, a friend uses an AIO for his Ryzen 9 5900X which is a equivalent Ryzen chip (12 cores as well) but is hotter. I was playing the OG Crysis from 2007 giving me 120fps max, the 5800X3D gives the same amount of fps but the lows are worse from gameplay footage i watched (the 5800X3D has the weakness of lower IPC and clocks). For shader compilation, i tried turning my i7-12700K into an 8 core 16 thread chip and it felt sluggish. Once you go 12 core, you don't want to go back to 8 core and below.
Yeah, i saw it for €290 a while bqck and bought, knowing that it will stay at the top of AM4 forever and juat a general good cpu for years to come. I had a 5600x before and some games i got a 20-40 fps performance increase
Just insane performance per dollar. Gotta be proof that 3D cache is going to be the future, hopefully heat dissipation gets even better and these chips can be pushed even farther. Don't get me wrong I love my 7900X but watching it get beat out by a last gen chip is nuts! So funny that this is a video about Intel and the 5800X3D was all I could think about looking at the charts lol.
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@@Velyris meh . Not at that wattage. It’s just Intel, I used to think they were special to. I’ll edit this actually, they are both great. Both strong. I’m just an AMD guy so I got a little butt hurt lol.
It was the perfect farewell salute for AM4. "No-one gets left behind". I know SO many people who have upgraded from a Ryzen 3600 to a 5800X3D and are still grinning goofily from ear to ear. Personally I went 2600 -> 5950X -> 7950X3D because I need cores but wanted V-Cache.
Love the inclusion of Stellaris as a big world strategy game, late game runs with a bunch of AI's and certain research items completed will crush any system.
I have done some testing with stellaris in the past and I saw good scaling between Ryzen 5000 and 5000X3D especially late game. The X3D parts seemed to fly. I will make a 3.9.3 late game and test the 5600X, 5800X3D and 7800X3D if I see similar results as back in then I will send the same save to Steve. The issue is that you need to test multiple runs of 5/10 min and every run will be slightly different because of events and battles that go different and change the game. But overall I got consistent higher scores on the 7800X3D so the data was useful. (did 4 runs of 10 min looked at the start and end year to see how many years it could calculate in that time instead of benchmarking the time needed for a month or year.) Calculations are different for monthly ticks year changes have other calculations. And you need longer testing for battles to take place. (happens a lot during normal games and it slows down the overall game on slow CPU's. Pop calculations also get out of hand in big games but they did improve that a lot in later versions of the game.
This is absolutely the best thing GN has ever done. Nobody benchmarks terribly CPU bottlenecked Paradox games. Hoi4 and Eu4 are the same way, they are extremely laggy lategame. Fortunately, 7800X3D excels with these types of games.
Can’t stress enough how much I appreciate the power consumption testing you guys do these days. Power is expensive where I live and really does impact what components I choose.
@@cotasa I agree. Only replaced mine in 2019. Not because I needed to, but just because I had money burning a hole in my pocket and wanted new PC parts to play with.
Reviews like this are interesting, not because I'm interested in the new hardware per se, but because it shows for me personally that my investment into a 5800X3D paid off huge. A Chip based on 2020 Hardware(yes, launched in 2022 but with 5000 series architecture) is basically still among the best purchases you can make as it is still very high up on charts.
I’ve got a 5800x that I purchased during the pandemic. These charts showing me that I can easily upgrade to the 5800X3D and get 30-40 FPS gains in some games when I upgrade from my RTX 2070S down the road
I know right!??? 5800X3D is incredible performance per dollar for gaming. Still to this day. That's it! I'm buying one to upgrade on my AM4 ASUS ROG 570 Ryzen 3900x build. Will just drop right in! Yes I have the current BIOS. TY Naitsab2434!!
@@justinlivingstone3249 not really, a 12700k can be nabbed for ~$200 or less and that is ~10% faster than a 5800x3d its not very good bang for buck because of its bloated price
Considering most people don't have a 4090 or 4080 or 7900xt the gains above it generally very small. A lot of games would just be fps capped for me anyway on my 3080. It truly was AMD's gift to gamers who bought into AM4.
AMD confirmed that Zen 5 and onwards they’ll continue using 3D V-Cache. I’d guess they’ll continue using it until it no longer gives a significant advantage over Intel.
Only in games that utilize the 3D Cache. You lose out as well if you do any sort of rendering or productivity work as well. Also I'd like to see 8200Mhz RAM tested on Intel.
@@griffin1366 Almost any game will benefit from it, having to access memory is a very expensive thing to do when you have to render the next frame in 16.67ms or even faster above 60fps (In reality you don't even have the full time between frames because you also need to render the frame). Memory access is orders of magnitude slower than L3 cache. In a well optimized game this will translate into better 1% and .1% lows, in a less well optimized game it can make a massive difference in average fps.
@@smugtomato5972 Look at TechTesters 14900k results. It's clear not every game utilizes the extra cache. She also has Intel above Ryzen for CS2, which also supports my results as well but for whatever reason Gamers Nexus is otherwise. He uses a demo to record results AFAIK. Framechasers is also another good source.
Yeah... Maybe its a great cpu but I was going to buy 1 a year ago and for the same money i could buy a 7600 and an AM5 motherboard, sure i had to buy ddr5 memory but i thought it was a waste of time to sink serious dollars into a eol platform with no upgrade path. At least with am5 you have an upgrade path to new cpus......so the value wasnt there in the 5800x3d for me sorry.....
@@nix123ism i got an 5800x3d in january this year as an upgrade to an 3600x. so what do you mean no upgrade path? the 5800x3d is included in the tests not for the purpose that you buy an AM4 board TODAY, but as an alternative to AM5 or intel board if you already have an AM4 board! ~300 bucks for an CPU upgrade that would be otherwise ~1000 bucks because of new mobo, RAM and CPU (you can bring it down a bit if you go DDR4... but come on...). And no, a 7600 is way out of the league. its way lower in all tests. you would have done better to buy a 5800x3d instead and upgrade to next gen/the gen after next gen, just skipping ryzen 7000 and intel 12th, 13th, 14th gen completely.
It is insane to me how well the 5800X3D holds up. And it uses the same AM4 socket. So it's as good as it gets for older Ryzen users who want a big upgrade for gaming but don't wanna get a new motherboard
12-7 and 12-9 are identical 13-7 13-9 14-7 and 14-9 are all identical. Don’t get bogged down in cpu benchmarks they are all the same. Just get the best possible GPU and upgrade CPU every 4 years
That's what I'm currently using. Was definitely wondering if it might be worth upgrading to 14th gen but it's really not looking like it. Probably just wait until 15th or 16th gen and then upgrade the whole board and move to DDR5 RAM.
I think the best thing we can say for the 14th gen is that it is not as embarrassing as the last time Intel introduced a "stop gap" generation -- the 11th gen.
11th gen at least had higher performance in the i5 and i7s (the i9-11900K might just be the worse CPU ever released though, they somehow got a generational loss of performance on that thing)
11th gen was pretty good on Laptops to be honest. The I-7 11800H holds up really well. I Feel like an H variant the 14th gen intel CPU could also be worth it. Especially if it was put in sub 1200 dollar gaming laptops with the 8gb 4060 laptop GPU. That would really play into the strength of 14th gen. Which is the power to get the same performance with slightly less power draw. If you combine that with the 4060, then you'd have an 1080p gaming laptop with lower power draw than other laptops in its class. This would be particularly useful for an smaller gaming laptop with an 13.3 inch screen. For even greater power savings, you could outfit it with an OLED screen. Since entry level gaming laptops aren't expected to last forever. So screen burn in would be slightly less of a concern. I think that an mobile 14th gen chip would really hit its stride in an Ultra book style light and thin gaming laptop. Especially when paired with the efficient 4060 mobile chip. Sell it with 1 tb of memory and 16 gb of DDR5 Ram, and you'll make a killing.
Thanks for including the i7-4770k , Still using my 4770k to this day, crazy to see a 14700k which uses 284w, i could run 3x 4770k's with that power haha. It's time for an upgrade but it's not gonna be intel that much I know
I switched to a 13700K from a 3770 and it's an amazing leap... Most games gained 80-100 fps with the same GPU. and for what it's worth, it doesn't use that much power most of the time, only when you're maxing out all the cores- which doesn't really happen. Most of the time it uses a lot less power than my 3770 did. When idling it goes actually very low.
@@q1337 Definitely go with 7800x3d. That upgrade is going to feel incredible and should last as long as your 4770k did. Only people who don't know what they are talking about are going to tell you to go Intel right now.
@@willo1345 I don't listen to people, only benchmarks. Im waiting for the 8000 to release so i can snatch the 7800x3d for cheap, it's one hell of a 1st gen AM5 chip
For Stellaris, If you guys really wanna push the CPUs you could try extending the galaxy sizes past the base game limits, this is usually done with a mod and it puts a lot of strain on the game engine, however, it does also allow high L3 cache CPUs to really push forward. For example on a 2500-star galaxy with all DLCs and no other mods apart from the more galaxy sizes, my 5800X3D performs ~30% better than my 5900X and ~35% better than my 5600X. I'm also assuming you guys have experimented with the methodology of the test already, but you could also include a "Days simulated in X minutes from the game start or from a certain save game" for a different perspective on the differences in performance. I will admit I am not knowledgeable on how you guys set up your methodology for testing Stellaris, but I do think there is promise in testing certain Paradox games, especially for high L3 cache CPUs (like Wendell has showcased before). Hope you all have a good day :D
As someone that loved playing with 10,000 star galaxy, I'm REALLY happy this sort of test is being included! My poor 2500k is like that guy in the film Unbroken, the railroad plank scene. ( th-cam.com/video/QO3PfLU4rcU/w-d-xo.html )
As a Stellaris player, I understand that, but none of the games used in the tests are modded; it is not the point of a review to test modded games and Stellaris already lags a fuckton late game anyway...
We don't typically include mods in our testing unless it's a one-off. They can be unpredictable or unreliable and sometimes break with game versions. Might be worth trying, but likely wouldn't be a permanent addition.
@@GamersNexusStellaris has a maximum speed it “wants” to run at, at Very Slow, Slow, Normal and Fast. Only Very Fast is “as fast as the CPU core can think”. What speed were you running at?
@@GamersNexusThere are quite a few galaxy size mods in the Steam workshop for Stellaris, but (to my knowledge) all of them only affect the initial galaxy generation, so once you have a save file for say a 2500 star galaxy, it will load just fine even without the mod later on. The things that can (and will) break older game saves though are the official update patches, but that can be circumvented by rolling back to an earlier game version under the Properties -> Betas tab in the Steam library.
Sheesh, as an early adopter of the 5800x3d I feel more and more validation as new products come out. Im holding out for the 8000 series ryzen chips and it won't be that hard since my old chip is still hanging in there so well.
If I were you I'd just undervolt the cpu and keep the boost clocks so that it uses less power and makes less heat. I undervolted my Ryzen 5 1600 AF from 1.3700V to 1.1187V at the same boost clock of 3.5GHz. My power consumption went from 54-56w to 42-44w and my temps(with a Cooler Master H410R) went from 60C to 44C in a 25C room tempreture and that was on 100% cpu load.
I got mine a little bit after release, it had already proven itself so I wouldn’t consider myself an “early adopter” but I will not be switching for some time, and when I do I’ll be targeting an X800X3D. If I had waited longer to upgrade my CPU I’d have the 7800XT/7800X3D combo now, lol.
Coming from someone who has only ever purchased Intel CPUs since 2006 and currently has an i9-12900k, I gotta say the AMD 7800X3D looks super impressive.
@@squirrel6687 AMD has actually been doing pretty well CPU-wise for productivity especially when you look at tests from people like Puget Systems. Their GPUs are a genuine trouble from a performance standpoint though
My Goodness,GN.Didn't realize you are at 2million subscribers!!!. Congrats GN Team.I still remember 2018/2019 when you were covering CM cases and Rtx 20 series at around 180k-300k subscribers. you guys have come such a long way and love your case reviews. The Donation drives too. Wish you many more subscribers!!
I am so glad you guys included Stellaris in benchmarking CPUs as some sort of representation of strategy games.. I already saw some tips for even more demanding workload down here in the comments so hopefully this test will be kept and possible improved in next benchmarks!
@@magnomliman8114 if it has lake in the name, I aint buying lol intel lost my business with their anti competitive misleading dirty business practices when AMD was beating them in everything, gaming and productivity whilst being cheaper, lower power and less heat
@@magnomliman8114The 5800X3D will be over 2 years old by then and will only drop further in price, making it an even better value proposition. It will still be a nuisance for Arrow Lake in that regard.
It would have to be in rendering and compiling, because extra efficiency cores don’t mean much in gaming - all that really matters is single core performance and cache
The 12700 sounds surprisingly like a product designated for greatness. an i9 was never meant to exist in the grand scheme of cpu hierarchy, but that is 2018 mentality I'll admit, but whats a better way to treat your longest standing icon than pushing it away with a new tier supposedly above it being introduced as if its the new high end mainstream? The i9 tier still felt like niche attempted to be put to mainstream category
Same, I was cautiously optimistic when I purchased the 5800x3D back in March for $300 knowing the 14th gen was coming, but at least the 5800x3D will ride me out until the 8xxx series or 15th gen in the least. :)
I'm glad to see the AMD Ryzen 7 5800X (Non-3D) still on the charts. I have mine paired with a Powercolor Red Dragon RX 6800 XT and I'm pretty happy with the performance.
Opening had me laughing... had to like the video immediately, you can tell they take testing very seriously and summarize what it all means for the normies/consumers we are :)
From 2500k to 4790k. Then went to 9700k and now to 7800x3d. First time switch to AMD and look at these numbers. 7800x3d owners be like KEKW right know.
I have been running a 6600k for 8 years now and was considering an intel build right up until the release of the 7800x3d. the performance 3d cache offers is really unreal. AMD’s promise of future support for AM5 and this STILL being such an unbelievable gaming processor vs the 14700k makes AMD unbeatable at the moment imo.
I went from 9600K to 7800x3D. Its very nice cpu, but AM5 was and kind of still is a hot mess. I doubt they will manage to fix the DDR5 instability by now (it has been almost a year since release). Its cool to buy EXPO graded RAM and then not be able to use it.
Love that game but at £200 to get started AND a subscription, it's not for me! Wow I would need to play it 10 hours a day to make it worth that much. Shame though it looks amazing, just clearly wallet-raping-pricing.
> Love that game but at £200 to get started AND a subscription 1) It's not a subscription-based game 2) I do recommend the Utopia DLC, but other than that the game is plenty fun with no other purchases needed. You don't need to buy everything just to play... and if you have a friend hosting a multiplayer game then only the host needs the DLCs for everyone to use them. It really sounds like you're confusing Stellaris with something else.
@@DailyCorvid paradox games are like that after a few years. its how they can keep upgrading the games instead of releasing a bunch of new ones. you can get some really good deals when they do a big humble bundle pack or steam sale. ive put 1008 hours into the game over the years so i think you can get your money worth at any price (if its the right game for you) but get it on like a 90% sale to be safe.
Some of those benchmarks make me very glad i just bought a 7600X for £245 in the Amazon sale the other day! The 14700k is £420 more atm and there's almost no way to justify that extra £200 for maybe 10% fps gains gaming
@@tylerharris4568 Why would you go to an 13000k if you was already on the AM4 platform? lol Could of save money with an 3D chip and use like half the watts for similar performance. lol
@@boydolson5350 Or last AM5 X3D chip, seems to be winning strategy. At least if AM6 means expensive DDR6 like we had with AM5 + DDR5 combo. Mayne next time AMD should release their AM6 X3D chips at the same time they release their AM6 non-X3D chips.
The intro is so hilarious that I don't even need a time stamp to watch it all over again. Just rewind to the start, sit back, relax and occasionally spit out some popcorn from my nose. Thanks Steve 🤣🤣🤣
I bought the 13700KF a few months ago without knowing how good or bad the 14th gen will be. When I first heard the marketing from Intel I felt very stupid for buying so close before a new launch. But after this video my mind is at ease and I'm very happy with my purchase! Thank you Steve and team!
i just wanna know in what context is the 13700k not enough??? for gaming its way overkill especially if at 1440p or 4k, even a 13600k is enough for gaming if u need mores that the i7, why not just get a threadripper lol
well, the 14th gen comes at the same price, the i7 14700kf is 20% more powerful in multicore than the 13700kf(that doesn t really matter for gaming) so if u do other things than just gaming, ppl can get a 14700kf since it s just 20$ more than the 13700kf
@@KoItai1 You would think that Intel would rather spend the time refining their production process and slowly introduce improvements over a set period then launch a chip with all the improvements, what is 20USD??
You have to consider those are stock performance per watt, where those CPU have huge default tdp just to do some 2-3% on benchmark. In reality 14700k has a lot more performance per watt if you set those CPU at same watts. A great chart will be all those cpus at 70 watts and you will see that 13900k and 14700k be on top.
Why is it crazy, The CPU's haven't changed really for a few years. Once you hit that peak cpu, its negligible anyways. Thats what he's saying, buy the best value and save yourself money by skipping it lol
User: absolutely no reason to upgrade to am5 AMD: we gotta useless features you won't use in line 69963026510001 years bruh!! User: whelp! Time to upgrade lol
For productivity it makes sense tho... we coded some intensive multiprocessing apps on the company. On a 3900x it takes 34 seconds, while on 7900x it drops down to 10.5 ish seconds. And it is literally running the same code.
And my i7-12700K is an anomaly. The perfomance per watt is the best that i ever watched or experienced from an i7 in a decade. It's aircooled with a Deepcool Assassin 3, stays extremely cool combined with a Corsair 5000D airflow.
Thanks for including Stellaris! As an avid player of strategy games, most other charts don't really tell me anything that applies to me, but the addition of Stellaris does
Have always appreciated the quality of testing from GN, but holy cow these edits have me on the floor laughing right now. Entertainment and information, unbeatable combo. Thanks Steve.
True this is one of the best recent videos! Steve has upped the snark-humour. Which I hate usually, but he's so good natured it never comes off as rude. Beve Sturke and his older brother, are carrying a large part of the TechTube scene.
5800X3D+7900 XT here. Yeah, I plan to keep this for some 5 years. I don't have any issues lowering the settings in the future. So far not necessary at 1440p.
That intro, that was pure 1000x bigger and bettererer than the 13700k video. In all seriousness though, great information as always! You and GN team are my go to for any new processor or graphics card, thanks for all the hard work and information!
I wish there were some sim games in the tests, for people like me who only play sim racing/flight sim games. Meanwhile, a great video as always =) This channel is pure gold =)
You're half right Steve. Intel did need to push something, anything, out the door, but the reason for what we got is that meteor lake desktop was not going well. Apparently the best they could get stable on the new tile layout was 6p8e which puts the top SKU chip at 20 threads. Intel decided to scrap it and refresh raptor lake instead of taking an utter beat down in multi core.
Where'd you get that? I was looking for information on why Intel didn't release Meteor Lake for desktop and couldn't find anything. Also, do you know how they could screw up like this? Did they have the wrong priorities during R&D?
Pretty wild that AMD's chips are still not only cheaper, but also perform better in many workloads with about double the energy efficiency. There's lots of catching up to do for Intel with their next architechture.
Put in the ours to optimize the bios, it's worth it. The chip is insane out of the box but has much more to offer. Got a - 25mV offset, Max power draw of 80 watts and locked it to never go higher than 85 degrees.
Was holding out upgrading my 9700K for this release. Hoping that the rumored 15% improvement would be true and that DLVR would bring some meaningful power efficiency (is it even enabled on these chips?). But yeah... 7800X3D it is then.
Time for me to upgrade, too. The 10700K has been fine, but it's getting a little long in the tooth. Bought it during the GPU shortage in a pre-built and may repurpose it into a home server. (Also unknowingly got the Gigabyte explodey PSU that died with that pre-built. Thanks Newegg) AMD CPUs are just killing it, so there's really no reason to choose Intel. On top of that, the power consumption is ridiculous. Just wish their GPUs were better. I do more than game though, and want as many fast cores as possible, so that 7950 is looking pretty good. I just know AMD is looking to release the 8000 series in 2024 with an actual updated architecture. Think I'll be able to hold off until then.
@@chris61986 I paid the premium for the 7950X3D and I'm really happy with it for CAD/CAM and 3D work. In games, it plays so well on everything that I don't notice the difference. I mainly went with the X3D to allow for air cooling and keep the box size down (and get a box that has drive bays for data backups.) I was already pushing my price limits so I didn't want to add the cost of an AIO. I can't help but wonder how well a 7800X3D would have worked by comparison, and what else the other $300 might have gone into, though. I got the AMD RX7900XTX GPU, and sometimes I feel like maybe I should have gone NVidia. Then I look at the price differential. NVidia's just way too expensive. If I did a do-over with 7800X3D+4080, I don't think I'd be getting the nice CAM performance I'm getting now, though. It's gone from a chore and an interruption to my workflow to being invisible, like it should be.
A 12700K doesn't reach 95 degrees on a Cinebench R23 render vs a 7800X with a Noctua NHD15 and it has more cores. Just because 13th gen and 14th gen are so bad, doesn't make Zen 4 good. Zen 3 and Alder Lake exist.
@@JollyGiant19 Zen 3 did a 20% IPC increase, Zen 4 did 10%. When Intel is hot it's bad, but when AMD is hot they are good, double standards aren't good.
I appreciate the 14700k review over the 14900k. Not a gamer so I'm more interested in the extra core ratings. I currently have a secondary system running a 13700k but it's a DDR4 system and had thought about building another one using the 14700k/DDR5 to become my new daily driver replacing my current 5900X system.
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Steve, I was really impressed by the production values of your opening intro. Would you have time to accept a freelance job helping me create such an intro for all of my work-related Zoom sessions? I want people to understand what I'm all about before they even get a chance to speak. QUICK UPDATE: What kind of plant should I buy to step out of? That was a really dramatic reveal.
"Those are some embarrassing numbers for a new generation and slap in the face price!!!! MOTHER F*** Intel"
- Intel Customers
"High five! Fist pump!" - AMD
If you built a computer with both cpu's would you integrated the intel one? Yes; yes: you would, integrate the intel one. lol
Is that a Sun 5c keyboard during the intro there behind you ?
This makes the 4790k look like a generational leap over the 4770k
13600k and 14600k have same difference as 13900k and 13900ks
200mhz, nothing more than a bad overclock
Hey! I did do that kind of upgrade. XD
Io, i had that cpu! Then i upgraded to 13600k! Had that cpu for 9 years, was very good, donated that pc to my folks.
Finally bigger number better and don't forget these also have AI NPU!
@@logirexquick question please explain what that does for anyone how does a separate ai npu work better that making a larger primary core with more transisters.
Man I love it when Steve gets enough sleep for the creativity circuits to re-engage. That intro was stellar.
I liked "We see double digit increases, not often, but at least they let us know numbers larger than 9 exist, we didn't know that before." xD
You have to use humor so that the utterly lackluster benchmark results don't eat your soul haha
i know somebody who has a difficult time understanding the naming scheme of cpu's. i feel like this intro is what he heard when i tried to explain it to him
Couldn't agree more. This intro was fantastic 😂
LOL moment for sure
best intro in GN history,this is an instant classic.
i laughed a few times audibly funniest intro to tech video ever. desperately waiting for steve to retire and do stand up comedy. he would make more money and get more sleep if he did go into standup.
Truly a legendary GN / Intel moment.
I can do nothing but agree. Unfortunately, I'm a little sick, and laughing is not a good idea.
- X3D still beating us
- F***!
XD I can't stop rolling on the floor.
dont forget the thermal paste intro..
295W for the i7-14700K vs. 86W for the R7 7800X3D is insane!
If you primary use of your PC is gaming, AMD and especially the 3D is so much faster and even with 3x lower power usage compared to the 14th gen I5 for the same price.
yeah though im kidna miffed at the lower thread count compared to intel for creative stuff@@alexrelexer
To be fair to the 14700K that was in an all core blender workload with 8 P cores and 12 e cores going 100% and it took the 7800X3D 70% longer to complete the render in the benchmark for blender
For gaming, nothing beat 7800X3D right now comparing the price and performance .If you work then that a different story
@@theskywalker8416 they were talking about the blender test. But yea for gaming X3D is great
The intro is perfect, truly! Says it all.
ahahaha, bring back the glowing eyes!
@@GamersNexus go do standup in NC sometime funny af.
@@GamersNexus well i will buy a 11900k XD
Can I reply to this?
Edit: whoa, I can!
How do you get those icons? Haha
7% improvement from the name alone? This CPU must be a game changer!
or even name game changer. 🤠
Imagine next gen when it'll be a name changer
😂😂😂 my friend still rocking a 12900k and not updating it
@oneaboveallferrarifan2725 yes very laughable, what a pleb, imagine not spending $1000 every new generation even when you won't see difference.
@@Troonieliciousstill rocking? That’s a cpu that could last another 5-6 years lol
Given intel's strong relationship with the number 14, i am most surprised they dont pay homage by adding '+' in these products
This is hilarious
How could intel forget that more pluses equals bigger better??
It's because these are the first 14's. Next cpu release will start the plusses. 14900k+, 14900k++,
By your logic they should hav skippe th 7th gen lol (as a consumer I sure did)
This should been called the 13700K+
This intro alone has earned a coaster set purchase, sirs. Thanks, Steve!
That intro... and it's ending... Gold. Pure gold. 🤣
And the amount of "subtle snarkyness" sprinkled in from time to time... I loved this!
And the amount of "non-subtile snarkyness" too
That snarkiness is all u need to know about scumbag steve and how shitty of a friend he was to Linus. Truth is, he was never a friend, Steve is a SNAKE.
The 7800X3D & 5800X3D are damn impressive. Wow. I have a 7800X3D (upgrading soon) and knowing the CPU will last me for a while is very nice. Not to mention the support too.
The 5800x3d isn’t a bad option for upgrading from a 5600x since it’s the best cpu for gaming of AM4 and usually the better option for the price than upgrading everything to be am5 compatible
@@draketurtle4169 my pc has 5900x.. my brother now has 5800x3d
I'm geniunely getting jealous, but I bought it for him myself. But at least i know, both CPU's are outstanding good values.
His is faster, mine is more efficient.
And yet.. mine is watercooled. His isn't XD
for gaming, AMD v-cache is unbeatable. intel has better productivity usages with those cores.
@@InTecknicolourIt depends, because the brute force of IPC, core count and memory of the i7-12700K (best i7 ever made in a decade IMO) can beat a Ryzen 7 5800X3D.
It's extremely easy to cool an i7-12700K with air cooling and use PL2=PL1 for infinite tau. For context, a friend uses an AIO for his Ryzen 9 5900X which is a equivalent Ryzen chip (12 cores as well) but is hotter.
I was playing the OG Crysis from 2007 giving me 120fps max, the 5800X3D gives the same amount of fps but the lows are worse from gameplay footage i watched (the 5800X3D has the weakness of lower IPC and clocks).
For shader compilation, i tried turning my i7-12700K into an 8 core 16 thread chip and it felt sluggish.
Once you go 12 core, you don't want to go back to 8 core and below.
Here the 7800x3d is only 60$ more, and you get the potential future upgrades for AM5 and DDR5 with higher frequency
5800x3D looking like it could end up being this decade's 2500k.
It's definitely one of those CPU's for gaming that is going to be perfectly capable for a very long time to come.
Yeah, i saw it for €290 a while bqck and bought, knowing that it will stay at the top of AM4 forever and juat a general good cpu for years to come. I had a 5600x before and some games i got a 20-40 fps performance increase
not really it heavily bottle necks 4080 and 4090.
Just insane performance per dollar. Gotta be proof that 3D cache is going to be the future, hopefully heat dissipation gets even better and these chips can be pushed even farther. Don't get me wrong I love my 7900X but watching it get beat out by a last gen chip is nuts! So funny that this is a video about Intel and the 5800X3D was all I could think about looking at the charts lol.
dude still have this cpu :D and still working 2500k
Just imagine how much more power efficient the i7-14700K could be if it could convert Steve's sarcasm to electricity.
I love how the absolute peak of gaming processors is currently $350. Wish videocards were near there.
And that's still with giant margins
NGreedia: Filthy beggar! How dare you suggest we give you our products at reasonable prices! Now pay for our cards and feel the need to upgrade every 2 years where you'll then pay for another new overpriced GPU and you'll like it!
Average consumer: Yes master... *Buys a 4090*
Everyone else waiting for PC gaming to become reasonable again: 👶🧒🧑🧓💀
What cpu would that be?
@@xenthiaprobably 7800X3D
@@xenthia13...6/700K, any of the X3D chips etc. There are reasons to go with one or the other, but all are excellent values
Finally an unbiased review. Bigger number is more gooder. A lot of reviewers don't seem to understand that.
Now test 8200Mhz RAM.
I didn't think an intro to a CPU review could be the funniest thing I've seen in atleast a month, but apparently it can. Loved it 😂
Agree 1000%. Absolute comedy gold
It had me dying!
"hey steve x3d is still beating us." F#@K!!
I'm dying. The editing was absolutely flawless.
Intel really is doing a stellar job of marketing the new Ryzen 7000 series CPUs.
😂👍
@@juveboy01033 Nah
@@juveboy01033 someone obviously didn't read the actual benchmark data. Or rather, read that data off of UserBenchmark. Bad. :)
Intel fanboys in a nutshell - personally im neutral.@@juveboy01033
@FrancJ5793 I personally prefer intel over amd. Just never been a fan.
Actually burst out laughing at the end of the first segment there. That was brilliant fun to watch! Loved it :D
same, had to rewind because i was laughing too much to hear what steve was saying after the intro.
We want more Goofy STEVE!
This is definitely one of the CPUs of all time. With one of the numbers, impressive.
Alright David I see you.
This CPU will go down in history as one of the CPU's competing with CPU's at this time.
I buy products based on how many xs are in the name, number do not fool me.
History will forever remember it as a CPU you could buy for a period of time.
@ 13:03
@@Velyris meh . Not at that wattage. It’s just Intel, I used to think they were special to. I’ll edit this actually, they are both great. Both strong. I’m just an AMD guy so I got a little butt hurt lol.
The more of these I watch the more I’m convinced the 5800X3D is the 1080ti of CPU’s
It makes me more and more proud to own one.
It was the perfect farewell salute for AM4. "No-one gets left behind". I know SO many people who have upgraded from a Ryzen 3600 to a 5800X3D and are still grinning goofily from ear to ear. Personally I went 2600 -> 5950X -> 7950X3D because I need cores but wanted V-Cache.
@@andersjjensen I upgraded from 3600 to 5800x3d :)
@@andersjjensen I went Ryzen 1700 to 5800X3d. Very happy.
It is a fantastic processor. Mine performs even better after I did an all core undervolt.
Best video opening ever!
and seriously, thank you very much for hard work
The intro was amazing, Gamers Nexus always great with its analysis
Love the inclusion of Stellaris as a big world strategy game, late game runs with a bunch of AI's and certain research items completed will crush any system.
I mostly play simulation game and Total War and Stellaris endgames are brutal on cpus. I usually just give up and decide I won.
there is no better game to bring a cpu to its knees than an early version of stellaris.
I have done some testing with stellaris in the past and I saw good scaling between Ryzen 5000 and 5000X3D especially late game. The X3D parts seemed to fly.
I will make a 3.9.3 late game and test the 5600X, 5800X3D and 7800X3D if I see similar results as back in then I will send the same save to Steve.
The issue is that you need to test multiple runs of 5/10 min and every run will be slightly different because of events and battles that go different and change the game.
But overall I got consistent higher scores on the 7800X3D so the data was useful. (did 4 runs of 10 min looked at the start and end year to see how many years it could calculate in that time instead of benchmarking the time needed for a month or year.)
Calculations are different for monthly ticks year changes have other calculations. And you need longer testing for battles to take place. (happens a lot during normal games and it slows down the overall game on slow CPU's. Pop calculations also get out of hand in big games but they did improve that a lot in later versions of the game.
This is absolutely the best thing GN has ever done. Nobody benchmarks terribly CPU bottlenecked Paradox games. Hoi4 and Eu4 are the same way, they are extremely laggy lategame. Fortunately, 7800X3D excels with these types of games.
@@Nelthalin late game modded stellaris brutalizes any cpu, mabye disable pop growth slowdown and get a load
Another classic intro. Well done Steve and team! Informative as always.
*Thanks Steve
#ThanksSteve
This was the best intro for a while!
@@tonicipriani Back to you Steve!
Can’t stress enough how much I appreciate the power consumption testing you guys do these days. Power is expensive where I live and really does impact what components I choose.
One of the reasons I'm considering amd GPUs
@@backlogbuddiessame, can really recommend the rx 6800 although that 4070 is impressive.
dont amd gpus consume more power?@@backlogbuddies
The AMD chips and Intel chips actually use similar power when you account for AMD's very high idle power draw.
@@bdifferentb are we talking about CPU’s ? My 5950x uses 11 watts at idle when I checked in adrenaline. Can you elaborate?
Absolutely hilarious intro and you absolutely nailed it.
We thought the TikTok of 3rd gen to 7th gen was bad?
THIS IS HILARIOUS!
All of the recent CPU benchmarks just highlight how good of a CPU the 5800X3D is for gaming.
Thanks!
Every year I believe more and more that the 5800x3D is one of the best cpus ever made, it’s sure to leave a legacy.
The 1080ti of CPUs
@@user-mh6ie9wm6mthe 980 Ti was pretty insane too
I would say the i7 2600k is the most impresive
@@cotasa I agree. Only replaced mine in 2019. Not because I needed to, but just because I had money burning a hole in my pocket and wanted new PC parts to play with.
@cotasa so true!! I still use my 2500k at 4.5GHz. One of the best generations of CPUs.
Literally laughed out loud during the intro 😂 Love the humor! Keep up the good work, good writing, and excellent testing!
I wasn't expecting much but I'm honestly impressed with how little of an upgrade this is over 13th Gen.
Just upgraded to a 7800x3D and it is a truly impressive chip. AMD showing Intel how it’s done
I got it at bestbuy for $329 :D
I'm looking to upgrade from 10700k and was waiting for this review. 7800x3D is the easiest choice ever
@@geoffreycuypers2602 Micro Center had it for $329. However, I went to Best Buy, where they price matched Micro Center
I will be upgrading to a 7800X3D from a FX 8350 that I've had for the past 8 years.
Holly crap! You will definitely see a massive improvement
Reviews like this are interesting, not because I'm interested in the new hardware per se, but because it shows for me personally that my investment into a 5800X3D paid off huge. A Chip based on 2020 Hardware(yes, launched in 2022 but with 5000 series architecture) is basically still among the best purchases you can make as it is still very high up on charts.
I’ve got a 5800x that I purchased during the pandemic. These charts showing me that I can easily upgrade to the 5800X3D and get 30-40 FPS gains in some games when I upgrade from my RTX 2070S down the road
I know right!??? 5800X3D is incredible performance per dollar for gaming. Still to this day. That's it! I'm buying one to upgrade on my AM4 ASUS ROG 570 Ryzen 3900x build. Will just drop right in! Yes I have the current BIOS. TY Naitsab2434!!
and needs half the power of the new intels of the same class.
only at stock
@@justinlivingstone3249 not really, a 12700k can be nabbed for ~$200 or less and that is ~10% faster than a 5800x3d
its not very good bang for buck because of its bloated price
Crazy how well the 5800x3D still performs after all this time, insane
The 1080ti of CPUs
You do know 5800x3D is not even an old CPU. It was released just a year and a half ago.
Considering most people don't have a 4090 or 4080 or 7900xt the gains above it generally very small. A lot of games would just be fps capped for me anyway on my 3080. It truly was AMD's gift to gamers who bought into AM4.
@@Th3Fly1ngCow aka the new 4790k, minimal improvements for like 4 generations after that one, beast of a chip
@@wmp0074still an upgrade of a 3years ago architecture…the non 3D cache version is not aging that gracefully…
This is really outlining how outstanding the X3D tech is. Hopefully it becomes the standard for AMD in the future.
AMD confirmed that Zen 5 and onwards they’ll continue using 3D V-Cache.
I’d guess they’ll continue using it until it no longer gives a significant advantage over Intel.
Only in games that utilize the 3D Cache. You lose out as well if you do any sort of rendering or productivity work as well.
Also I'd like to see 8200Mhz RAM tested on Intel.
@@griffin1366I’d like to see 8200 MHz actually stable for everything.
@@griffin1366 Almost any game will benefit from it, having to access memory is a very expensive thing to do when you have to render the next frame in 16.67ms or even faster above 60fps (In reality you don't even have the full time between frames because you also need to render the frame). Memory access is orders of magnitude slower than L3 cache. In a well optimized game this will translate into better 1% and .1% lows, in a less well optimized game it can make a massive difference in average fps.
@@smugtomato5972 Look at TechTesters 14900k results. It's clear not every game utilizes the extra cache. She also has Intel above Ryzen for CS2, which also supports my results as well but for whatever reason Gamers Nexus is otherwise. He uses a demo to record results AFAIK.
Framechasers is also another good source.
its honestly impressive how good and efficient the 7800x3d
At gaming yes. The 13700k blows it out of the water on everything else
is*
@@mr.anderson2257keep dreaming at 300 watts
@@mr.anderson2257 when you forget your own propaganda...isn't that suppose to be the other way around? lol
@@mr.anderson2257 Okay Pat.
5800X3D will go in history books how good still it is.
Honestly I keep getting happier with my 5800X3D purchase every day lmao, every chart just keeps confirming it was the best purchase I made in my PC
Yeah... Maybe its a great cpu but I was going to buy 1 a year ago and for the same money i could buy a 7600 and an AM5 motherboard, sure i had to buy ddr5 memory but i thought it was a waste of time to sink serious dollars into a eol platform with no upgrade path. At least with am5 you have an upgrade path to new cpus......so the value wasnt there in the 5800x3d for me sorry.....
@@nix123ism I got mine for 250 USD. All depends on price.
Same I picked one up recently for $250 or 260 at microcenter
@@nix123ism i got an 5800x3d in january this year as an upgrade to an 3600x. so what do you mean no upgrade path? the 5800x3d is included in the tests not for the purpose that you buy an AM4 board TODAY, but as an alternative to AM5 or intel board if you already have an AM4 board! ~300 bucks for an CPU upgrade that would be otherwise ~1000 bucks because of new mobo, RAM and CPU (you can bring it down a bit if you go DDR4... but come on...). And no, a 7600 is way out of the league. its way lower in all tests. you would have done better to buy a 5800x3d instead and upgrade to next gen/the gen after next gen, just skipping ryzen 7000 and intel 12th, 13th, 14th gen completely.
Wow that 5800x3d is awesome
This just shows how insanely good the 5800x3d is
Without pluton too!
@@Shahzad12357 did you warch the video?
7800X3D not 5800X3D
@@AxTROUSRxMISSLE watch the video
and how happy I am that I chose it as an upgrade. it's going to be a beast for years
It is insane to me how well the 5800X3D holds up. And it uses the same AM4 socket. So it's as good as it gets for older Ryzen users who want a big upgrade for gaming but don't wanna get a new motherboard
@@juveboy01033 Wrong.
@@juveboy01033 userbenchmark admin for sure
I agree, just went ahead and replaced my 3600X I got back in 2020 with the 5800X3D and it just rocks!
My 5800X3D / RTX 3090 Ti FTW is a great combo.
It'd have been nice to see the 12700k showing up at more tests.
5% slower than a 12900k
easy math
@@internetavenger not three tho...
It's basically on par with the 12900k
12-7 and 12-9 are identical
13-7 13-9 14-7 and 14-9 are all identical.
Don’t get bogged down in cpu benchmarks they are all the same. Just get the best possible GPU and upgrade CPU every 4 years
That's what I'm currently using. Was definitely wondering if it might be worth upgrading to 14th gen but it's really not looking like it. Probably just wait until 15th or 16th gen and then upgrade the whole board and move to DDR5 RAM.
52 seconds in and the "7.3% better just in name alone" made my day
I think the best thing we can say for the 14th gen is that it is not as embarrassing as the last time Intel introduced a "stop gap" generation -- the 11th gen.
Both are waste of sand.
Yeah 11th gen performance decreased and power draw increased ahaha. That was the absolute worst generation ever from intel
11th gen at least had higher performance in the i5 and i7s (the i9-11900K might just be the worse CPU ever released though, they somehow got a generational loss of performance on that thing)
11th gen was pretty good on Laptops to be honest. The I-7 11800H holds up really well.
I Feel like an H variant the 14th gen intel CPU could also be worth it. Especially if it was put in sub 1200 dollar gaming laptops with the 8gb 4060 laptop GPU.
That would really play into the strength of 14th gen. Which is the power to get the same performance with slightly less power draw. If you combine that with the 4060, then you'd have an 1080p gaming laptop with lower power draw than other laptops in its class.
This would be particularly useful for an smaller gaming laptop with an 13.3 inch screen. For even greater power savings, you could outfit it with an OLED screen. Since entry level gaming laptops aren't expected to last forever. So screen burn in would be slightly less of a concern.
I think that an mobile 14th gen chip would really hit its stride in an Ultra book style light and thin gaming laptop. Especially when paired with the efficient 4060 mobile chip. Sell it with 1 tb of memory and 16 gb of DDR5 Ram, and you'll make a killing.
Which 11th gen?
Because desktop and mobile were totally different.
0:00 Absolutley legendary introduction.
Thanks for including the i7-4770k , Still using my 4770k to this day, crazy to see a 14700k which uses 284w, i could run 3x 4770k's with that power haha. It's time for an upgrade but it's not gonna be intel that much I know
I switched to a 13700K from a 3770 and it's an amazing leap... Most games gained 80-100 fps with the same GPU. and for what it's worth, it doesn't use that much power most of the time, only when you're maxing out all the cores- which doesn't really happen. Most of the time it uses a lot less power than my 3770 did. When idling it goes actually very low.
@@Taylor_Fisher that's nice to hear but with AMD's offering (7800x3d with great performance and 86w power usage) it really doesn't seem that great
@@q1337 Definitely go with 7800x3d. That upgrade is going to feel incredible and should last as long as your 4770k did. Only people who don't know what they are talking about are going to tell you to go Intel right now.
@@willo1345 I don't listen to people, only benchmarks. Im waiting for the 8000 to release so i can snatch the 7800x3d for cheap, it's one hell of a 1st gen AM5 chip
@@q1337 That's exactly what I would do. I waited for the 7000 series to release before I got my 5800x3d. Was a steal.
For Stellaris, If you guys really wanna push the CPUs you could try extending the galaxy sizes past the base game limits, this is usually done with a mod and it puts a lot of strain on the game engine, however, it does also allow high L3 cache CPUs to really push forward. For example on a 2500-star galaxy with all DLCs and no other mods apart from the more galaxy sizes, my 5800X3D performs ~30% better than my 5900X and ~35% better than my 5600X. I'm also assuming you guys have experimented with the methodology of the test already, but you could also include a "Days simulated in X minutes from the game start or from a certain save game" for a different perspective on the differences in performance. I will admit I am not knowledgeable on how you guys set up your methodology for testing Stellaris, but I do think there is promise in testing certain Paradox games, especially for high L3 cache CPUs (like Wendell has showcased before). Hope you all have a good day :D
As someone that loved playing with 10,000 star galaxy, I'm REALLY happy this sort of test is being included! My poor 2500k is like that guy in the film Unbroken, the railroad plank scene. ( th-cam.com/video/QO3PfLU4rcU/w-d-xo.html )
As a Stellaris player, I understand that, but none of the games used in the tests are modded; it is not the point of a review to test modded games and Stellaris already lags a fuckton late game anyway...
We don't typically include mods in our testing unless it's a one-off. They can be unpredictable or unreliable and sometimes break with game versions. Might be worth trying, but likely wouldn't be a permanent addition.
@@GamersNexusStellaris has a maximum speed it “wants” to run at, at Very Slow, Slow, Normal and Fast. Only Very Fast is “as fast as the CPU core can think”.
What speed were you running at?
@@GamersNexusThere are quite a few galaxy size mods in the Steam workshop for Stellaris, but (to my knowledge) all of them only affect the initial galaxy generation, so once you have a save file for say a 2500 star galaxy, it will load just fine even without the mod later on.
The things that can (and will) break older game saves though are the official update patches, but that can be circumvented by rolling back to an earlier game version under the Properties -> Betas tab in the Steam library.
“Sometimes even new process nodes”
I love seeing the energy efficiency stats. Please continue making these :D
Sheesh, as an early adopter of the 5800x3d I feel more and more validation as new products come out. Im holding out for the 8000 series ryzen chips and it won't be that hard since my old chip is still hanging in there so well.
If I were you I'd just undervolt the cpu and keep the boost clocks so that it uses less power and makes less heat. I undervolted my Ryzen 5 1600 AF from 1.3700V to 1.1187V at the same boost clock of 3.5GHz. My power consumption went from 54-56w to 42-44w and my temps(with a Cooler Master H410R) went from 60C to 44C in a 25C room tempreture and that was on 100% cpu load.
I got mine a little bit after release, it had already proven itself so I wouldn’t consider myself an “early adopter” but I will not be switching for some time, and when I do I’ll be targeting an X800X3D. If I had waited longer to upgrade my CPU I’d have the 7800XT/7800X3D combo now, lol.
Best intro of all time. Even better than the thermal paste one from way back.
Coming from someone who has only ever purchased Intel CPUs since 2006 and currently has an i9-12900k, I gotta say the AMD 7800X3D looks super impressive.
Until productivity enters the discussion. Content creators often scoff at the random issues with AMD consumer grade CPUs.
@@squirrel6687 yup, and for gamers the amdip and inferior minimums and 1% lows are an issue
buyer beware
cap@@OdinAlgeron
@@OdinAlgeron The 1% lows on the x3d chips are solid.
@@squirrel6687 AMD has actually been doing pretty well CPU-wise for productivity especially when you look at tests from people like Puget Systems. Their GPUs are a genuine trouble from a performance standpoint though
My Goodness,GN.Didn't realize you are at 2million subscribers!!!. Congrats GN Team.I still remember 2018/2019 when you were covering CM cases and Rtx 20 series at around 180k-300k subscribers. you guys have come such a long way and love your case reviews. The Donation drives too. Wish you many more subscribers!!
That was the BEST opener you’ve ever made Steve & Team 🤣🤣 well done.
I am so glad you guys included Stellaris in benchmarking CPUs as some sort of representation of strategy games.. I already saw some tips for even more demanding workload down here in the comments so hopefully this test will be kept and possible improved in next benchmarks!
Hoi4 is really nice with 5800x3d!
@@haukionkannel EU4 shows its age, though. Even my 7800X3D can't get it to run properly in late game.
@@Finckelstein Not Age so much as EU4's build quality.
Buying a 5800x3d continues to be the best pc related decision I've ever made.
arrow lake.
@@magnomliman8114 that’s in a year though
@@Swiss4.2 yup
@@magnomliman8114 if it has lake in the name, I aint buying lol
intel lost my business with their anti competitive misleading dirty business practices when AMD was beating them in everything, gaming and productivity whilst being cheaper, lower power and less heat
@@magnomliman8114The 5800X3D will be over 2 years old by then and will only drop further in price, making it an even better value proposition. It will still be a nuisance for Arrow Lake in that regard.
The Blender power efficient was a very thoughtful distinction of the differences in the CPU's. Great job in delivery!
It would have to be in rendering and compiling, because extra efficiency cores don’t mean much in gaming - all that really matters is single core performance and cache
Insane how well the 5800X3D still does. AM4 is far from dead.
i love u
@@Ali.ARedditAbbaslove u too pookie
When you wrote this comment, you probably had no idea how right you where lol
Yaaay someone loves me MY BUTTERY ANUS @@cooltwittertag
This makes me feel a lot happier about my 5800X3D choice. Hoping to run this system for a long time.
Yeah my 12700 that I got on discount really doesn’t feel threatened by this.
Same here, happy with that cpu.
The 12700 sounds surprisingly like a product designated for greatness.
an i9 was never meant to exist in the grand scheme of cpu hierarchy, but that is 2018 mentality I'll admit, but whats a better way to treat your longest standing icon than pushing it away with a new tier supposedly above it being introduced as if its the new high end mainstream?
The i9 tier still felt like niche attempted to be put to mainstream category
Same, I was cautiously optimistic when I purchased the 5800x3D back in March for $300 knowing the 14th gen was coming, but at least the 5800x3D will ride me out until the 8xxx series or 15th gen in the least. :)
Just got the 5800x3D what a beast in 2023!
I'm glad to see the AMD Ryzen 7 5800X (Non-3D) still on the charts. I have mine paired with a Powercolor Red Dragon RX 6800 XT and I'm pretty happy with the performance.
Same, except I'm still running my 5800 on an X370 taichi lol
Same, with a 6900xt. Great machine still.
This has to be one of the best video openings for Gamers Nexus ever! Loved it! Congrats to the entire team!
Opening had me laughing... had to like the video immediately, you can tell they take testing very seriously and summarize what it all means for the normies/consumers we are :)
First time in my pc building history I switched intel for amd, from 9700k to 7800x3d. I am very pleased of my decision.
From 2500k to 4790k. Then went to 9700k and now to 7800x3d. First time switch to AMD and look at these numbers. 7800x3d owners be like KEKW right know.
It's definitely the best for gaming right now, and it's way ahead of everything else in punch per dollar. Top tier CPU at a mid-tier price.
I have been running a 6600k for 8 years now and was considering an intel build right up until the release of the 7800x3d. the performance 3d cache offers is really unreal. AMD’s promise of future support for AM5 and this STILL being such an unbelievable gaming processor vs the 14700k makes AMD unbeatable at the moment imo.
I went from 9600K to 7800x3D. Its very nice cpu, but AM5 was and kind of still is a hot mess. I doubt they will manage to fix the DDR5 instability by now (it has been almost a year since release). Its cool to buy EXPO graded RAM and then not be able to use it.
@@DunkaDunka330 Mine works and is stable on Expo. What ram do you have?
Love the Stellaris inclusion - really appreciate seeing non FPS’s like this!
Love that game but at £200 to get started AND a subscription, it's not for me!
Wow I would need to play it 10 hours a day to make it worth that much.
Shame though it looks amazing, just clearly wallet-raping-pricing.
> Love that game but at £200 to get started AND a subscription
1) It's not a subscription-based game
2) I do recommend the Utopia DLC, but other than that the game is plenty fun with no other purchases needed. You don't need to buy everything just to play... and if you have a friend hosting a multiplayer game then only the host needs the DLCs for everyone to use them.
It really sounds like you're confusing Stellaris with something else.
@@DailyCorvid paradox games are like that after a few years. its how they can keep upgrading the games instead of releasing a bunch of new ones.
you can get some really good deals when they do a big humble bundle pack or steam sale. ive put 1008 hours into the game over the years so i think you can get your money worth at any price (if its the right game for you) but get it on like a 90% sale to be safe.
yeah unlike other Paradox cashgrabs Stellaris actually has a dedicated team to make sure stuff works even without the DLCs
@@DailyCorvidyou know it’s one or the other, subscription or spending all that money
Some of those benchmarks make me very glad i just bought a 7600X for £245 in the Amazon sale the other day!
The 14700k is £420 more atm and there's almost no way to justify that extra £200 for maybe 10% fps gains gaming
It's crazy how the most scientific and serious tech channel also has the best slick jokes. Please don't change, GN!
Which is on AMD's payroll.
Very much appreciate you guys including something like Stellaris in your testing suite!
That first power consumption chart has me remembering back to when the 4790K power draw was considered ridiculous...
The 5800X3D might be the best thing I've ever bought...
Keep it for at least until am6 comes out
@@boydolson5350That exactly my plan! It’s in an motherboard I bought from 2018
Such an good chip and an huge upgrade over my 2700X I started with
shit have been saying that about my 3600 just upgraded to a 13000kf was that overkill smfh lol?!?!
@@tylerharris4568 Why would you go to an 13000k if you was already on the AM4 platform? lol Could of save money with an 3D chip and use like half the watts for similar performance. lol
@@boydolson5350 Or last AM5 X3D chip, seems to be winning strategy. At least if AM6 means expensive DDR6 like we had with AM5 + DDR5 combo. Mayne next time AMD should release their AM6 X3D chips at the same time they release their AM6 non-X3D chips.
The intro is so hilarious that I don't even need a time stamp to watch it all over again. Just rewind to the start, sit back, relax and occasionally spit out some popcorn from my nose.
Thanks Steve 🤣🤣🤣
That 5800X3D can sit happily in my PC for a little while longer it seems, seriously it's the best upgrade I've bought for a very long time
I bought the 13700KF a few months ago without knowing how good or bad the 14th gen will be.
When I first heard the marketing from Intel I felt very stupid for buying so close before a new launch.
But after this video my mind is at ease and I'm very happy with my purchase!
Thank you Steve and team!
i just wanna know in what context is the 13700k not enough??? for gaming its way overkill especially if at 1440p or 4k, even a 13600k is enough for gaming
if u need mores that the i7, why not just get a threadripper lol
well, the 14th gen comes at the same price, the i7 14700kf is 20% more powerful in multicore than the 13700kf(that doesn t really matter for gaming)
so if u do other things than just gaming, ppl can get a 14700kf since it s just 20$ more than the 13700kf
@@KoItai1 You would think that Intel would rather spend the time refining their production process and slowly introduce improvements over a set period then launch a chip with all the improvements, what is 20USD??
they said that the 14th gen will be just a refreshed 13th gen, and the upgrade will be the 15th gen, arrowlake
@@tomtemple69 That overkill should be fine for another 5-6 years, there's nothing wrong with a little more headroom.
I love how the 5800x3d is trading blows with intels newest.
goat of a cpu
@@Shadow-dy7oh It's the 1080ti of CPU's
@@slickgiraffe6650 awesome
those power consumption numbers are absolutely insane. whole systems with a 4070 and ryzen CPU can draw less power than just a modern intel CPU
My rx 6950 xt on 99% load with slightly Undervolt is pulling 220 watt. insane powerdraw from intel on here wow....
The good news tho is intel is gonna fix that with 15 gen
Played the intro like 10 times and it never gets old, awesome review!
Weirdo
It's crazy how far ahead the i7-12700K is on perfomance per watt from those comparisons after 10 years of i7s
You have to consider those are stock performance per watt, where those CPU have huge default tdp just to do some 2-3% on benchmark. In reality 14700k has a lot more performance per watt if you set those CPU at same watts.
A great chart will be all those cpus at 70 watts and you will see that 13900k and 14700k be on top.
Why is it crazy, The CPU's haven't changed really for a few years. Once you hit that peak cpu, its negligible anyways. Thats what he's saying, buy the best value and save yourself money by skipping it lol
eh? 12700k not even in charts.
@@Xfade81 It is on the power consumption numbers as an example. But it's very suspicious that Steve ignores it for other charts.
@@saricubra2867probably because it's on a 1% margin linus
Man the 5800X3D has to be the best purchase I've ever bought.
Absolutely no reason to upgrade to AM5.
AM5 has superior RGB connectors tho! ;)
User: absolutely no reason to upgrade to am5
AMD: we gotta useless features you won't use in line 69963026510001 years bruh!!
User: whelp! Time to upgrade lol
My guy forgot about ddr5
@@phantom0590ddr5 doesn’t make a big difference in gaming
For productivity it makes sense tho... we coded some intensive multiprocessing apps on the company. On a 3900x it takes 34 seconds, while on 7900x it drops down to 10.5 ish seconds. And it is literally running the same code.
The intro was GOLD 👏👏👏👏
These charts make me appreciate my 5800x3D even more
AMD was really onto something with 3D-Vcache. I don't think even they anticipated the X3D chips staying high on the totem pole for this long.
And my i7-12700K is an anomaly. The perfomance per watt is the best that i ever watched or experienced from an i7 in a decade.
It's aircooled with a Deepcool Assassin 3, stays extremely cool combined with a Corsair 5000D airflow.
this intro is absolute gold!
Thanks for including Stellaris! As an avid player of strategy games, most other charts don't really tell me anything that applies to me, but the addition of Stellaris does
Please bring back the code compile benchmark! As a developer that also games, your compile time benchmarks were very useful.
Have always appreciated the quality of testing from GN, but holy cow these edits have me on the floor laughing right now. Entertainment and information, unbeatable combo. Thanks Steve.
True this is one of the best recent videos! Steve has upped the snark-humour. Which I hate usually, but he's so good natured it never comes off as rude.
Beve Sturke and his older brother, are carrying a large part of the TechTube scene.
I love the obnoxious lens flare in the intro!
The goal was to make a TRUE corporate marketing video! We noticed that was a requirement.
Wow reminds me of the 3770K to 4770k days... Well done Intel - almost felt nostalgic for a moment.
5800X3D+7900 XT here. Yeah, I plan to keep this for some 5 years. I don't have any issues lowering the settings in the future. So far not necessary at 1440p.
That intro, that was pure 1000x bigger and bettererer than the 13700k video. In all seriousness though, great information as always! You and GN team are my go to for any new processor or graphics card, thanks for all the hard work and information!
I wish there were some sim games in the tests, for people like me who only play sim racing/flight sim games. Meanwhile, a great video as always =) This channel is pure gold =)
You're half right Steve. Intel did need to push something, anything, out the door, but the reason for what we got is that meteor lake desktop was not going well. Apparently the best they could get stable on the new tile layout was 6p8e which puts the top SKU chip at 20 threads. Intel decided to scrap it and refresh raptor lake instead of taking an utter beat down in multi core.
Where'd you get that? I was looking for information on why Intel didn't release Meteor Lake for desktop and couldn't find anything.
Also, do you know how they could screw up like this? Did they have the wrong priorities during R&D?
@liammiller3688 According to Puget Intel has better single core while AMD has better multicore
Pretty wild that AMD's chips are still not only cheaper, but also perform better in many workloads with about double the energy efficiency.
There's lots of catching up to do for Intel with their next architechture.
God GN you never ceases to stop amazing me brutal honesty yet hilarious informative content thanks Steve and team for the intro lol
Dude that intro had me cracking the eff up.
For real.
Brilliant.
I just built a 7800x3d system 2 weeks ago. Happy to see it didn't get immediately surpassed.
Put in the ours to optimize the bios, it's worth it. The chip is insane out of the box but has much more to offer. Got a - 25mV offset, Max power draw of 80 watts and locked it to never go higher than 85 degrees.
Was holding out upgrading my 9700K for this release. Hoping that the rumored 15% improvement would be true and that DLVR would bring some meaningful power efficiency (is it even enabled on these chips?). But yeah... 7800X3D it is then.
Time for me to upgrade, too. The 10700K has been fine, but it's getting a little long in the tooth. Bought it during the GPU shortage in a pre-built and may repurpose it into a home server. (Also unknowingly got the Gigabyte explodey PSU that died with that pre-built. Thanks Newegg)
AMD CPUs are just killing it, so there's really no reason to choose Intel. On top of that, the power consumption is ridiculous. Just wish their GPUs were better.
I do more than game though, and want as many fast cores as possible, so that 7950 is looking pretty good. I just know AMD is looking to release the 8000 series in 2024 with an actual updated architecture. Think I'll be able to hold off until then.
@@chris61986went from a 9700k to a 7800X3D. It’s been fantastic so far, handles any game I throw at it like it’s nothing.
@@chris61986 I paid the premium for the 7950X3D and I'm really happy with it for CAD/CAM and 3D work. In games, it plays so well on everything that I don't notice the difference. I mainly went with the X3D to allow for air cooling and keep the box size down (and get a box that has drive bays for data backups.) I was already pushing my price limits so I didn't want to add the cost of an AIO.
I can't help but wonder how well a 7800X3D would have worked by comparison, and what else the other $300 might have gone into, though.
I got the AMD RX7900XTX GPU, and sometimes I feel like maybe I should have gone NVidia. Then I look at the price differential. NVidia's just way too expensive. If I did a do-over with 7800X3D+4080, I don't think I'd be getting the nice CAM performance I'm getting now, though. It's gone from a chore and an interruption to my workflow to being invisible, like it should be.
All this video tells me is that the 5800X3D is a masterpiece of a chip.
tempting to switch from my 5900x to it XD
@@zhon5311 if all you do is game, do it, it was like gaining another REAL "generation" leap cause I did the same switch while back
The intro is the best thing iv seen in a long time. nice job lol
Lmao at how we went from “lolo AMD space heater” to 7800X 3D being with the most efficient processors on your graph.
Thanks, Steve!
A 12700K doesn't reach 95 degrees on a Cinebench R23 render vs a 7800X with a Noctua NHD15 and it has more cores.
Just because 13th gen and 14th gen are so bad, doesn't make Zen 4 good. Zen 3 and Alder Lake exist.
@@saricubra2867 But Zen 4 being good makes Zen 4 good, so we fine
@@Takyodor2 Zen 4 is not good. Zen 3 is better.
@@saricubra2867Cope tbh
@@JollyGiant19 Zen 3 did a 20% IPC increase, Zen 4 did 10%.
When Intel is hot it's bad, but when AMD is hot they are good, double standards aren't good.
I appreciate the 14700k review over the 14900k. Not a gamer so I'm more interested in the extra core ratings. I currently have a secondary system running a 13700k but it's a DDR4 system and had thought about building another one using the 14700k/DDR5 to become my new daily driver replacing my current 5900X system.
You do realize the 600 and 700 ARE the gaming CPUs? The 900s are the production ones.
@@MrFallenoneso the ryzen 9 7900x is a gaming cpu?
The benchmarks makes the 5800X3D look insane😮
Thank's Steve :D That intro was bigger than big other one :D
This is the best video you guys have ever made. Whoever had Steve come out from behind the plant is a comic genius.💀💀💀
undervolted 7800x3d is probably the way to go these days
that'll be good for the next 5 years at least lol
I just got that CPU, what does undervolting do for it, I just picked up the chip and haven't overclocked it yet
Ahhh yes, the cpu you gotta tamper with just so it doesn't spontaneously explode. What a product!
@@HenrySomeone you realize that was fixed by AMD immediately after release like 5 months ago. Stay salty fantard 🤣
@@HenrySomeoneIs that true?