Thanks for going right for the important question .... 13900KS vs 14900K. Always appreciate your technical analysis nearly no other reviewer goes into.
Much appreciated for all the info! I spent a good portion of the day today trying to find any 13900KS vs 14900K comparisons that were out there. The IMC was what I was really the most curious about. You pretty much answered all the questions I had. Looks like I’ll be sticking with my 13900KS. Thanks again.
14th gen is just 13th gen + 1 years worth of improvements to manfuacturing (therefore binning). Slightly higher clocks at the same voltage. Enough dies hitting 13900KS levels of performance, that it doesn't need to be a low volume special SKU now. Less defects in chips, so you can bin out 8+12 as an i7. Meh
I have a binned 13900KS with a Unify-X which can do 8200 but I need too much voltage on the sticks to get that stable. Would be interesting if either binned ram or the new Apex (would've never even considered the white/silver-ish one) could get me even further but realistically I'm perfectly fine running 8000c34 at reasonable voltages. Wouldn't have ended up with such a great rig without your content, so huge thanks to you and the supporters!
what do you call reasonable voltages? I have also the Unify-X but with 7800mhz 1.40/1.46 because if I go higher my ram temp gets to hot after 30 min and errors out, I swap thermal pads and put a fan on it and still, lancool mesh 3 width good air flow, but man this memories are hot!
@@imanuelpc I could try but its weird that I have to do that in order to get better temps, but I guess i could, what voltage you need for 8000mhz? maybe its my IMC, i delid it and lap so I dont think its the temp on the memory controller either.
@@tacoterito22 jufus made a video why it helped to cool down the back of it, thats why he says the nzxt h1 case us the best cause it has a 140mm big fan blowing air into the motherboard
random cod bros: "should I upgrade my 13900ks to 14900k for better FPS on Warzone?" Optimizers gonna be like: "100%!!!!!!!! I can get you 50 FPS MORE bruh" HAHAHAHAHAHA
The 14900k is priced at the cost of the 13900k, it's 100MHz faster than the 13900KS and runs cooler, though will need some luck with memory controller it seems. If I were in the market now and didn't already have the 13900KS, I would go with the 14900k. That being said, I'm upgrading my 13600k to the 14700k, this was very interesting to see, great video.
I'm still running a 4.9ghz 6700k from 2015 at 200FPS in Apex and Halo. 160FPS in warzone, 300fps in CS2. You don't need to upgrade that often to play games, don't be suckered in.
5950X at 5GHz with EK Quantum Velocity 2 water cooled ASUS ROG Crosshairs VIII x570 Dark Hero 64Gb ram 4 sticks RTX 3080 water cooled 420,360,120 radiators with a D5 pump X2 980 PRO NVMe X3 SSD 2.5 water cooled Sound blaster AE-9
To help mitigate potential stability/degradation widely reported on flagship Raptor lake SKUs, I have changed a lot of my BIOS settings based on what I have watched and read. For my 13900k and 14900k I have done the following: MCE off, PL1 and PL2 limit to 225, limit P-core boost to 5.5 GHz and E-core boost to 4.3GHz, and use balanced power profile in Windows (although I do disable core parking to keep system highly responsive). Oh and just XMP on the RAM. I didn’t change LLC value. I have set voltage offset at a modest -0.015v and set the Core limit to 300 Amps. I have disabled the C6&C7 C states and EIST. Lastly I have locked AVX at 0 offset. I have tested on P95, CB R23 and CB R15. All great and in a mid 20 degree room, no workload exceeds 80c on package or cores. Very happy and benchmarks are very close to where they were before taming these beasts.
So, you’re telling me you’d trust someone’s tech knowledge because they wear gym gear? That’s laughable. A shirt with a supplement brand doesn’t suddenly make someone credible in tech reviews, and it’s a weak standard to judge expertise on. The fact is, tech specs and performance data don’t care about gym endorsements or anyone’s workout routine. Knowledge comes from years of experience, studying hardware performance, benchmarking, and understanding architecture. You need someone who can break down complex info about power draw, thermal throttling, and memory latency, not just look like they hit the gym. The reality is, those so-called “nerds” you’re dismissing probably understand way more about the 14900K than your gym-shirt-wearing TH-camr. Expertise is about knowing how the chip actually performs in different workloads and being able to compare it with legitimate data, not just looking cool on camera.
@@whatafailedchannel3052 Technically those people are normies lol they sit around and do random videos and not even fit which also bad for their health 😅
I guessed the same thing, but you missed one very important detail...it's CHEAPER than a 13900ks. Prospectively it's ~$140 cheaper. I was thinking about buying a 13900ks, so looks like I saved some money by waiting.
It's standard for CPU prices to dwindle at the same performance target. Could you imagine trying to sell an i7 870 for $305 today? Your CEO would step down lmao.
New subscriber here. Thanks for the informative video. Considering the negligible improvements made in 14900k, I won't be upgrading my 13900ks anytime soon.
@@kramnull8962 Nvidia is in dire need of rewriting their driver since it's not 2009 anymore and software rendering isn't standing the test of time. Also the 7950x3D is as valid as this P core e core bullshit that intel is releasing. The fact that the chips can run a higher ring speed and p core speed when disabling the ecores says a lot, but you're left with a glorified 8 core chip when you do that. You have 16 real cores on the AMD chip even if only 8 of them have 3D v-cache.
I love how this guy can summarize the silicon quality with jokes in just a few minutes, and leave almost no stone unturned. I even love all the shitting on AMD, haha. (I'm 100% amd.)
Asus is the one major brand that provides an SP score based on the parameters between voltage and clock speeds. Aka, how much voltage is needed to run the CPU at the desired clocks. Every CPU has a different score. This is why the term silicone lottery exists and how Intel cherry picks their chips for their sponsors. 1.433v out of box is a poor grade CPU with little to no room for stable overclocking/undervolting. I'm sorry my guy but you did not get lucky with this CPU. i9 CPUs are a gamble and for those willing to pay the cost for a potential golden ticket. Basically, do not consider an i9 unless you know how to contain it for stable use because chances are, it might not be stable out of box as advertised. May the odds ever be in your favor.
The 14900K is product for a precise market segment, which would be owners of 12900K and a "filler" for PC wholesalers such as Dell and others. I am the owner of a 12900K and just upgraded to a 14900K and I am quite pleased with it. Tuned it to a daily driver of 6.1Ghz P-Cores and 4.5Ghz E-Cores. All this mega electrical consumption isn't that much of a problem if you set C-States to C0/C1. In games (Starfield) it bounces between 5.9 and 6.1 respectively with a consumption of 157 watts, not the 300+ everyone is saying. I was able to take it to 6.4Ghz but I don't have enough cooling (Not stable) but was able to get a Cinebench single thread score of 144 which beats AMD's upcoming 8950X. The way I see it you are getting 13900KS performance without the price plus they toss in APO and XTU(AI) bonus. P.S. This thing will hit a 1009 Score in single thread and 17886 multi thread bench in CPU-Z, I know its not the best benchmarking tool but its always fun.
If, we have to blame someone, the order of severity would be: 1. The operating system (which generates the excruciating BSoD/GSoD). 2. The test applications (most of which are free, having the least trust). 3. The games (which give the smaller errors if you know how to set them). 4. Motherboards (where, overclocking the CPU and DDR5 RAM, plus adjusting the power [watts], current [amps] and voltage [undervolting, v] requires a lot of combinations until you find the right one). 5. The hardware (CPU, RAM, cooling system, storage memory), which has the least fault, because their manufacturers warn users about the risks they are subject to, increasing the performance of the hardware, but, also, give them the freedom to choose options, without disastrous consequences; more recently, the microcodes (like 0x129 on CPUs) have reappeared and the warranty has been extended, with no further recall of the affected products. It (the hardware) should not be put on the wall, but, the first ones that have taste listed. Maxing out a PC build is going from agony to ecstasy and viceversa. 🖥️✨😎
Thanks for this. I've been spending a gruelling 4 days trying to decide if I should return my 13900ks for a 14900k and you have answered it finally for me. The 14900k is slightly improved due to being newer, cheaper so yeah, it makes sense to switch. Thanks.
Since its still Intel 7, 10nm, to be honest I didn't expect this to be even worth an upgrade from my 12900k, lets wait another year for Meteor Lake benchmarks,... a ten potencially yet another year for Arrow Lake 3nm TSMC when things will hopefully get interesting to upgrade from 12900k DDR4 into DDR5 RAM worlds.... The main game for me is Escape from Tarkov, if you have time Jufus would definately welcome if you would add this game to BENCHMARK, you could get not just COD Bros but also EFT Bros on your channel. I was a COD Warzone player before, but I 100% switched to Escape from Tarkov and find it superior in enjoyment. It's very CPU limited game, my 4090 is getting 50-60% utilization so upgrading my CPU/RAM is still very tempting topic for me. I would love to see that 4090 maxed in 1440p Escape from Tarkov.
@@saricubra2867 Mine stays pretty cool but it's been delided and runs direct die with lm. Barely touches the 60's - synthetic benchmarks and high 40's while gaming. It's wearing its age better than some of the other gens.
We already knew the 14 series is junk and a waste of time. We just appreciate someone's honest unbiased opinion, hence why we come to you Jufes! Keep up the FAFO!
13900KS died after a month of use. He was running on 6GHz for a while. I replaced it with 14900K. I had to disable IDBT because Windows had a BSOD at startup. It is also downgraded to 5.4 to make it work, but there are still sporadic BSODs. The motherboard is Asus Maximus Z790 Dark Hero. Another Processor to be replaced? 😬
are you using the stock intel socket frame or did you replace it with like a thermal take or grizzly frame? those cpus bc of tvb (which i hate) and there mindset with these chips when they're being made is simple.. the instructions tell it under load say r23 for an ex "if theres headroom hold this clock speesld and boost the faverd cores by all means necessary voltage heat no matter the cost there is no retreat hold the frequency!" which if BIOS left at stock happens which they're designed to kinda impressive pulling stupid amount an of current and heat and being at tj max and between 90 and 100c not even thermal throttled point is unless you're going into the bios Turing on ln2 mode and running un godly vcore which i doubt then maybe a bad Mount or the mb is malfunctioning the fact this happened 2 cpu in row is very very odd. make sure you're cpu is seated properly in the socket and your cooler isnt mounted unevenly. if it continues my next guess would Be MB if again you aren't in the bios settings every voltage rail to the boards limit. if it does end up being the board do yourself a favor and get the z790 asus apex encore
@@iDeparture The first set of Asus ProArt Creator Z790 with 13900KS lasted about a month. Then the processor degraded until it became completely unstable. The CPU mount was stock. Kraken Elite 360 RGB AIO cooling. Then I bought Asus Maximus Z790 Dark Hero and replaced the processor with 14900K. I changed the cooling to Asus ROG Ryujin III 360 ARGB. I replaced the CPU mount with a Thermalright Braket V2. The new processor worked stably for about two weeks on auto settings. Then the programs began to become unstable and BSODs became more frequent. Lowering the clock speed to 54 kept it running for some time. I bought a second 14900K processor. The same situation. A week stable on factory settings and degradation again. Lowering the clock speed to 55 again and it's stable for now, but this one will probably die too. I wring my hands and don't know what to do next. Now I'm waiting for another processor to be replaced. All other components were checked and duplicated several times. This is a computer with top components costing over $6,000, and I bought some of the components twice to have them for quick replacement and testing. Can I be unlucky enough to have three faulty processors? 😒
Basically if you're running a 13900k overclocked, your wasting money to go for anything else that would amount to much of an edge in gaming. Even upgrading to a KS is useless and more expensive to get what, maybe 200mhz that won't amount to sh-t in gaming. Save your money for later better hardware that will blow this stuff away.
Indeed. Within-gem upgrades are almost always useless and 13th and 14th are the same gen really. Intel just adopted AMDs laptop naming shenigans unfortunately.
You think upgrading to the 14900ks potentially 6-6.2ghz if they make one from 12900k to stay with ddr4 and z690 mobo for longer worth it and skipping arrow lake socket
@@saricubra2867 for multi tasking is more then enough, main focus is on a GPU and not on CPU , small percentage or games are focused on a CPU, most are on a GPU, video game industries should be focusing to code games more on CPU coding and not GPU
HiAll, I want to change my 13900k, because memory controller is pretty bad on this chip and my Mb ASUS z790-I 2 dimms can’t get stable ram more than 7200, booting up to 8000 but not stable. Which chip better to get now 13900ks or 14900k, price have no difference as I will change cpu by microcenter warranty and need to pay just extend warranty for another 2 years. Thanks.
Come on intel I just need 6ghz outs the box to kompeteeeee, thank to all the lovely supporters, keep shoefoos upto date with latest tech for our benefit! Cant wait for the new dark hero mobo video now
My old 13900k SP99 runs 2x24 GB 8000 G.Skill sticks @ 8200 with VDD and VDDQ 1.42v nice and clean with no errors in GSAT or TM5 no problem on low voltages although the Z790 Apex only rates the MC @ 81. Not sure I want to roll the dice again...
Moving to the 14900KF from a OC'd i9-7490x and from then numbers it should be 2x faster and I'm moving from ddr4 (3600 14 15 15 36) to DDR5 96GB (2x 48GB) 6800 36 46 46 84 We'll see what I get.
That's odd, the tests coming out show an improvement of 5-15% depending on title. Sure, it's not mind boggling but it's just a refresh. Also, this will push the 13th gen down in price. What's to hate? It's not a new generation.
I'm thinking to upgrade my 11900k for 14700k and platform. Seems to be a good value, the reduce the power draw a lot compared to 12 and 13e gen? Seems like the main point of this gen? Maybe i'm wrong, thank you. Nice vid!
14900k is a fantastic choice if your building your 1st rig like me, or comming from i5 and below. My last rig is 7 years old. I find funny these clickbait intel haters thumbnails.
Thanks for the video! This looks like a 13900ks for cheaper. A bit disappointed in the imc performance but delidded this would be a nice upgrade from a 5.6ghz oc on my 13700k.
@@damara2268 True. However, there were rumors that this refresh was going to have higher IMC performance. Its all good. Probably going to get one still.
@@nosajmartinez6175 technically it should have better IMC on average because the later the chip it is made on the same node the more mature the node is and the higher chance for better IMC you have in the silicon lottery
Jufes, do you think it is worth it to upgrade a 10700k, ddr4 3200c14, 4090 setup to a 14900k? Gaming at mostly 4k and can't tell if there will be any big gains..as always thanks for the info!
Could you do a comparison between 14700k vs 13900k/14900k. I think its the only cpu worth checking out since it is the only new cpu worth testing. Price to performance comparison. Smaller cache less ecores 12 than the i9 16 ecoress since i dont see reviewers compare e-core scaling in gaming.
So unfortunately I had to take the 14900kf because the 13900ks was out of stock in my country. Long story short it runs hot....very hot. Wat kind of undervolt would you suggest to help reduce my temps. My cooler is the LS720 but yeah... P.S. I already made the mistake so go easy on me. I am running the cpu with turbo on and let bios decide on limits. CPU package is running 93 degrees celcius and core temps at 75 to 85 while gaming. Lastly before you say the cooler is busted, I live in a very hot country where the daily temps can easily climb to 32 to 35 degrees c. Appreciate the help.
Hey man, I want to build new PC after 10 years. I am wondering should I go with AMD or with Intel? The pc will mainly be used for gaming and unreal engine. Thanks!
Hey Jufes i have a 13900ks and i can xmp at 7800 is that pretty good or normal? I tried xmp 8000 but it was a no post , dont know if im mc limited or mb (tachyon z790) mc is 94 buiscuits
so on the long power draw my board sets it to 4096 watts but if lower that to like 325 my temps drop by like 20c is there any real reason to keep the watts that high
bros trying to figure out if a refresh is a refresh this isn't news. Intel has been calling 14th Gen a refresh since as long as I first heard about 14th gen
Thanks for going right for the important question .... 13900KS vs 14900K. Always appreciate your technical analysis nearly no other reviewer goes into.
3 points improvement in single core and 1000 im multi core compared to the 13900ks. Truly generational leap. Congrats intel.
🤣
Wait until you see the 14900ks it will be 4 points mind blowing
Imagine expecting a generational leap on same architecture and same process node 🤣
Such a monumental leap in performance 😂😂
@@futmut1000imagine people bought from 13900k to 14900k.
So what I learned is that if I upgrade to this from my 13900k I'll finally stop getting rekt in warzone... Time to finally compete
Pretty sure you can play Warzone with a Pentium 4...lool. Just ribbing.
At this point I don’t know when there’s a new CPU release until Jufes gets one.
Jufes runs my life
Much appreciated for all the info! I spent a good portion of the day today trying to find any 13900KS vs 14900K comparisons that were out there. The IMC was what I was really the most curious about. You pretty much answered all the questions I had. Looks like I’ll be sticking with my 13900KS. Thanks again.
Yeah the only new benefits of the 14th generation is Wi-Fi 7 and Thunderbolt 5.
14th gen is just 13th gen + 1 years worth of improvements to manfuacturing (therefore binning). Slightly higher clocks at the same voltage. Enough dies hitting 13900KS levels of performance, that it doesn't need to be a low volume special SKU now. Less defects in chips, so you can bin out 8+12 as an i7. Meh
I have a binned 13900KS with a Unify-X which can do 8200 but I need too much voltage on the sticks to get that stable. Would be interesting if either binned ram or the new Apex (would've never even considered the white/silver-ish one) could get me even further but realistically I'm perfectly fine running 8000c34 at reasonable voltages. Wouldn't have ended up with such a great rig without your content, so huge thanks to you and the supporters!
unfortunate
what do you call reasonable voltages? I have also the Unify-X but with 7800mhz 1.40/1.46 because if I go higher my ram temp gets to hot after 30 min and errors out, I swap thermal pads and put a fan on it and still, lancool mesh 3 width good air flow, but man this memories are hot!
@@tacoterito22 maybe you need to cool down the back of the motherboard?
@@imanuelpc I could try but its weird that I have to do that in order to get better temps, but I guess i could, what voltage you need for 8000mhz? maybe its my IMC, i delid it and lap so I dont think its the temp on the memory controller either.
@@tacoterito22 jufus made a video why it helped to cool down the back of it, thats why he says the nzxt h1 case us the best cause it has a 140mm big fan blowing air into the motherboard
🐐 Thank you to the supporters and Jufes for making this possible.
random cod bros: "should I upgrade my 13900ks to 14900k for better FPS on Warzone?"
Optimizers gonna be like: "100%!!!!!!!! I can get you 50 FPS MORE bruh"
HAHAHAHAHAHA
The 14900k is priced at the cost of the 13900k, it's 100MHz faster than the 13900KS and runs cooler, though will need some luck with memory controller it seems. If I were in the market now and didn't already have the 13900KS, I would go with the 14900k. That being said, I'm upgrading my 13600k to the 14700k, this was very interesting to see, great video.
Same, will be upgrading 13600K to 14700K, the i5 was mostly a stop gap for me.
Same with 8700K for me :D
I'm still running a 4.9ghz 6700k from 2015 at 200FPS in Apex and Halo. 160FPS in warzone, 300fps in CS2. You don't need to upgrade that often to play games, don't be suckered in.
@@BlueBillionPoundBottleJobs with what GPU?
@@BluKiro 3060ti
Intel just overclocked the 13900K and repackaged it to call it 14th gen to resell at full price again. Nice double-dipping. lmao
they were doing this for years before Ryzen started taking some of their customers lmao. now they're on top again it comes back lmao.
Awesome. Grabbing my 14900K in the morning at Microcenter. Thanks for the video.
price point is amazing, even if they are the same
You'll finally go pro
@@BlueBillionPoundBottleJobs ?
@@-Ice_Cold- what you running ?
5950X at 5GHz with EK Quantum Velocity 2 water cooled
ASUS ROG Crosshairs VIII x570 Dark Hero
64Gb ram 4 sticks
RTX 3080 water cooled
420,360,120 radiators with a D5 pump
X2 980 PRO NVMe
X3 SSD 2.5 water cooled
Sound blaster AE-9
Pretty much what I expected, been watching for a few years now actually, if he says that’s a 14900K, we can trust that it’s a 14900K
You know...I am surprised that you only got 27k subscribers. This channel deserves at least 150k, the content is always straight to the point
cope
To help mitigate potential stability/degradation widely reported on flagship Raptor lake SKUs, I have changed a lot of my BIOS settings based on what I have watched and read. For my 13900k and 14900k I have done the following: MCE off, PL1 and PL2 limit to 225, limit P-core boost to 5.5 GHz and E-core boost to 4.3GHz, and use balanced power profile in Windows (although I do disable core parking to keep system highly responsive). Oh and just XMP on the RAM. I didn’t change LLC value. I have set voltage offset at a modest -0.015v and set the Core limit to 300 Amps. I have disabled the C6&C7 C states and EIST. Lastly I have locked AVX at 0 offset. I have tested on P95, CB R23 and CB R15. All great and in a mid 20 degree room, no workload exceeds 80c on package or cores. Very happy and benchmarks are very close to where they were before taming these beasts.
I trust a pc/gaming TH-camr that rocks gym/supplement brands shirts over any of these other nerds on here…
So, you’re telling me you’d trust someone’s tech knowledge because they wear gym gear? That’s laughable. A shirt with a supplement brand doesn’t suddenly make someone credible in tech reviews, and it’s a weak standard to judge expertise on. The fact is, tech specs and performance data don’t care about gym endorsements or anyone’s workout routine. Knowledge comes from years of experience, studying hardware performance, benchmarking, and understanding architecture. You need someone who can break down complex info about power draw, thermal throttling, and memory latency, not just look like they hit the gym.
The reality is, those so-called “nerds” you’re dismissing probably understand way more about the 14900K than your gym-shirt-wearing TH-camr. Expertise is about knowing how the chip actually performs in different workloads and being able to compare it with legitimate data, not just looking cool on camera.
@@whatafailedchannel3052lol you must be so fun to hangout with
@@whatafailedchannel3052 Technically those people are normies lol they sit around and do random videos and not even fit which also bad for their health 😅
Yes keep it rolling dude the fastest reviewer and the most reliable reviewer on the internet
What a great video, meanwhile all the people having FOMO about a 14900KS...
I guessed the same thing, but you missed one very important detail...it's CHEAPER than a 13900ks. Prospectively it's ~$140 cheaper. I was thinking about buying a 13900ks, so looks like I saved some money by waiting.
they're the same price
@@gozutheDJ I'm currently seeing a price of ~$680 on the ks.... It was $729 a few weeks ago.
It's standard for CPU prices to dwindle at the same performance target. Could you imagine trying to sell an i7 870 for $305 today? Your CEO would step down lmao.
@@fredygump5578 they must have just dropped the KS price
@@gozutheDJks still goes for 700 in the us at the moment so a 14900k is a viable option for many of us. I am in ohio btw
thank you for the early review and thanks to all the supporters
Bro, you keep saying you "only get 100Mhz", but that's 100 MILLION hertz (and really 800 million hertz)!
That's mad hertz.
Yeah... you're gonna have mad hurts when your KD doesn't change with this "new" CPU. LOL !!
@@deltacrna3849 😆😆😆
New subscriber here. Thanks for the informative video. Considering the negligible improvements made in 14900k, I won't be upgrading my 13900ks anytime soon.
The other advantage of the 14900k Vs 13900KS is the 14900k is a lot cheaper
They are literally like $30 apart as far as I’m seeing.
Edit :Actually they are like literally the same prices I’m most places
Brotha, been watching you for quite some time. Mad respect. Joined your community! Keep up the great work
I gotta say your taking full advantage of the situation, I hope it works out well for you financially! Go Jufes
Can you explain that to me?
Why aren't you watching LTT?
why wouldn't he?
@@OVERKILL_PINBALL Why would you do that?
@@selmevias1383 I wouldn't.. but the original commenter may want to
So the consensus is that properly tuned 13900KS (and now 14900K) with 8000 ram or so is still faster than anything from AyyyMD?
Thanks channel supporters and Jufes once again 💪😇👍✊!
Stg I love the for the people vibe I get from you, need more like you bro
The 12900.0.5k saga continues!
@@kramnull8962 Nvidia is in dire need of rewriting their driver since it's not 2009 anymore and software rendering isn't standing the test of time. Also the 7950x3D is as valid as this P core e core bullshit that intel is releasing. The fact that the chips can run a higher ring speed and p core speed when disabling the ecores says a lot, but you're left with a glorified 8 core chip when you do that. You have 16 real cores on the AMD chip even if only 8 of them have 3D v-cache.
@@kramnull8962"DDR6"
No, add quad channel memory support now. No excuses for dual channel if we have 32 threads.
Oh, yeah! I thought the kool-aid mascot was going to bust through the motherboard. 😂
I love how this guy can summarize the silicon quality with jokes in just a few minutes, and leave almost no stone unturned.
I even love all the shitting on AMD, haha. (I'm 100% amd.)
Asus is the one major brand that provides an SP score based on the parameters between voltage and clock speeds. Aka, how much voltage is needed to run the CPU at the desired clocks. Every CPU has a different score. This is why the term silicone lottery exists and how Intel cherry picks their chips for their sponsors. 1.433v out of box is a poor grade CPU with little to no room for stable overclocking/undervolting. I'm sorry my guy but you did not get lucky with this CPU. i9 CPUs are a gamble and for those willing to pay the cost for a potential golden ticket. Basically, do not consider an i9 unless you know how to contain it for stable use because chances are, it might not be stable out of box as advertised. May the odds ever be in your favor.
The 14900K is product for a precise market segment, which would be owners of 12900K and a "filler" for PC wholesalers such as Dell and others. I am the owner of a 12900K and just upgraded to a 14900K and I am quite pleased with it. Tuned it to a daily driver of 6.1Ghz P-Cores and 4.5Ghz E-Cores. All this mega electrical consumption isn't that much of a problem if you set C-States to C0/C1. In games (Starfield) it bounces between 5.9 and 6.1 respectively with a consumption of 157 watts, not the 300+ everyone is saying. I was able to take it to 6.4Ghz but I don't have enough cooling (Not stable) but was able to get a Cinebench single thread score of 144 which beats AMD's upcoming 8950X. The way I see it you are getting 13900KS performance without the price plus they toss in APO and XTU(AI) bonus. P.S. This thing will hit a 1009 Score in single thread and 17886 multi thread bench in CPU-Z, I know its not the best benchmarking tool but its always fun.
Straight to the point and honest about it
DUDE THANK YOU SO MUCH
@FrameChasers Can you post a 14900kf affiliate link?
If, we have to blame someone, the order of severity would be:
1. The operating system (which generates the excruciating BSoD/GSoD).
2. The test applications (most of which are free, having the least trust).
3. The games (which give the smaller errors if you know how to set them).
4. Motherboards (where, overclocking the CPU and DDR5 RAM, plus adjusting the power [watts], current [amps] and voltage [undervolting, v] requires a lot of combinations until you find the right one).
5. The hardware (CPU, RAM, cooling system, storage memory), which has the least fault, because their manufacturers warn users about the risks they are subject to, increasing the performance of the hardware, but, also, give them the freedom to choose options, without disastrous consequences; more recently, the microcodes (like 0x129 on CPUs) have reappeared and the warranty has been extended, with no further recall of the affected products. It (the hardware) should not be put on the wall, but, the first ones that have taste listed. Maxing out a PC build is going from agony to ecstasy and viceversa. 🖥️✨😎
Non-NDA early reviews are my favorite.
The way you applied thermal paste gave me nightmares.
14900k is legendary because its waaay cheaper. 139ks is 900dollars, 149k 650dollars
Thanks to the supporters for the content!! ❤️
Thanks for this. I've been spending a gruelling 4 days trying to decide if I should return my 13900ks for a 14900k and you have answered it finally for me. The 14900k is slightly improved due to being newer, cheaper so yeah, it makes sense to switch. Thanks.
Maybe I’ll be able to compete now!
They've just renamed the 13900ks to 14900k 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 great video as always 👍
Thanks for the testing! I def won't be upgrading my 13900k anytime soon
The only benefit in the 14th gen is Intel can say see more than two generations of cpu were compatible with lga1700
You were the only youtuber that didnt call the 14900k a 13900ks refresh.
Great job!
Since its still Intel 7, 10nm, to be honest I didn't expect this to be even worth an upgrade from my 12900k, lets wait another year for Meteor Lake benchmarks,... a ten potencially yet another year for Arrow Lake 3nm TSMC when things will hopefully get interesting to upgrade from 12900k DDR4 into DDR5 RAM worlds.... The main game for me is Escape from Tarkov, if you have time Jufus would definately welcome if you would add this game to BENCHMARK, you could get not just COD Bros but also EFT Bros on your channel. I was a COD Warzone player before, but I 100% switched to Escape from Tarkov and find it superior in enjoyment. It's very CPU limited game, my 4090 is getting 50-60% utilization so upgrading my CPU/RAM is still very tempting topic for me. I would love to see that 4090 maxed in 1440p Escape from Tarkov.
Escape from Tarkov is very CPU limited because it has been programmed by bad programmers.
Troy Total War Saga is the game i would use for CPU tests.
Another year with my 10900k. Thanks Jufes x
Same here brother.
I don't know why you keep that oven, the i7-12700K is lightyears better lol.
Yea and why would I waste my money on that when the 14700k is better than that dual fuel cooker? What’s the goal? Stfu lol
@@saricubra2867 Mine stays pretty cool but it's been delided and runs direct die with lm. Barely touches the 60's - synthetic benchmarks and high 40's while gaming. It's wearing its age better than some of the other gens.
@@DavidTMSN Oh, that's the thing. The i7-12700K just works, plug and play on an aircooled system, no need for an undervolt, overclock, etc.
We already knew the 14 series is junk and a waste of time. We just appreciate someone's honest unbiased opinion, hence why we come to you Jufes!
Keep up the FAFO!
Man, Jufes referring to himself in the 3rd person when he talks is hilariously psychotic. Thanks for the review dude.
love the video man thatnk you for posting a raw review and giving us a realworld review and not some crap
This is pretty cool. Shout out to the Supporters. Shout out to the COD Bros & The COD Ho3s.
13900KS died after a month of use. He was running on 6GHz for a while.
I replaced it with 14900K. I had to disable IDBT because Windows had a BSOD at startup. It is also downgraded to 5.4 to make it work, but there are still sporadic BSODs. The motherboard is Asus Maximus Z790 Dark Hero. Another Processor to be replaced? 😬
are you using the stock intel socket frame or did you replace it with like a thermal take or grizzly frame? those cpus bc of tvb (which i hate) and there mindset with these chips when they're being made is simple.. the instructions tell it under load say r23 for an ex "if theres headroom hold this clock speesld and boost the faverd cores by all means necessary voltage heat no matter the cost there is no retreat hold the frequency!" which if BIOS left at stock happens which they're designed to kinda impressive pulling stupid amount an of current and heat and being at tj max and between 90 and 100c not even thermal throttled point is unless you're going into the bios Turing on ln2 mode and running un godly vcore which i doubt then maybe a bad Mount or the mb is malfunctioning the fact this happened 2 cpu in row is very very odd. make sure you're cpu is seated properly in the socket and your cooler isnt mounted unevenly. if it continues my next guess would Be MB if again you aren't in the bios settings every voltage rail to the boards limit. if it does end up being the board do yourself a favor and get the z790 asus apex encore
@@iDeparture The first set of Asus ProArt Creator Z790 with 13900KS lasted about a month. Then the processor degraded until it became completely unstable. The CPU mount was stock. Kraken Elite 360 RGB AIO cooling. Then I bought Asus Maximus Z790 Dark Hero and replaced the processor with 14900K. I changed the cooling to Asus ROG Ryujin III 360 ARGB. I replaced the CPU mount with a Thermalright Braket V2. The new processor worked stably for about two weeks on auto settings. Then the programs began to become unstable and BSODs became more frequent. Lowering the clock speed to 54 kept it running for some time. I bought a second 14900K processor. The same situation. A week stable on factory settings and degradation again. Lowering the clock speed to 55 again and it's stable for now, but this one will probably die too. I wring my hands and don't know what to do next. Now I'm waiting for another processor to be replaced. All other components were checked and duplicated several times. This is a computer with top components costing over $6,000, and I bought some of the components twice to have them for quick replacement and testing. Can I be unlucky enough to have three faulty processors? 😒
Basically if you're running a 13900k overclocked, your wasting money to go for anything else that would amount to much of an edge in gaming. Even upgrading to a KS is useless and more expensive to get what, maybe 200mhz that won't amount to sh-t in gaming. Save your money for later better hardware that will blow this stuff away.
Indeed. Within-gem upgrades are almost always useless and 13th and 14th are the same gen really. Intel just adopted AMDs laptop naming shenigans unfortunately.
I knew this would be the case but part of me was hoping it would be better. Cool early info.
Noice!
DDR4 4600mhz for funzies down the track?
Great vid, straight to the point and exactly what I expected :)
Still, if your on a older chip, it's a cut price 13900ks atleast :)
You are a godsend :D this is the information we all wanted best tech channel out there legend :D
I'm surprised. I think it's great to have one stop shopping on your site. I'm going to wait a bit longer but almost ready to upgrade.
You think upgrading to the 14900ks potentially 6-6.2ghz if they make one from 12900k to stay with ddr4 and z690 mobo for longer worth it and skipping arrow lake socket
One thing is nice if you want to switch from previous set up and you have at the moment a ddr4 sticks , you need mobo and cpu for now to start with 😅
Still rocking a 12900K. Won't upgrade until 15th or 16th gen, or whichever gives a worthwhile performance jump.
In the same boat as you, rocking 5950X at 5GHz stable, i have no idea what to do even with that much power 😅
Good, no need to get suckered in like the rest of the children
@@Atlan_tisCompiling shaders in The Last Of Us Part 1.
@@saricubra2867 for multi tasking is more then enough, main focus is on a GPU and not on CPU , small percentage or games are focused on a CPU, most are on a GPU, video game industries should be focusing to code games more on CPU coding and not GPU
Thx for the testing. That's the info, I was looking for! 👍🏻👍🏻
HiAll, I want to change my 13900k, because memory controller is pretty bad on this chip and my Mb ASUS z790-I 2 dimms can’t get stable ram more than 7200, booting up to 8000 but not stable. Which chip better to get now 13900ks or 14900k, price have no difference as I will change cpu by microcenter warranty and need to pay just extend warranty for another 2 years. Thanks.
Come on intel I just need 6ghz outs the box to kompeteeeee, thank to all the lovely supporters, keep shoefoos upto date with latest tech for our benefit! Cant wait for the new dark hero mobo video now
My old 13900k SP99 runs 2x24 GB 8000 G.Skill sticks @ 8200 with VDD and VDDQ 1.42v nice and clean with no errors in GSAT or TM5 no problem on low voltages although the Z790 Apex only rates the MC @ 81. Not sure I want to roll the dice again...
Moving to the 14900KF from a OC'd i9-7490x and from then numbers it should be 2x faster and I'm moving from ddr4 (3600 14 15 15 36) to DDR5 96GB (2x 48GB) 6800 36 46 46 84
We'll see what I get.
That's odd, the tests coming out show an improvement of 5-15% depending on title. Sure, it's not mind boggling but it's just a refresh. Also, this will push the 13th gen down in price. What's to hate? It's not a new generation.
Because he disabled the E-cores for this test and they run 100mhz faster than 13900ks. I'm waiting for the official reviews.
So I’m keeping my 12900k as long as I kept my 6600k I guess 😂😂😂
That's where I'm at with my 12900k
What software are you using to verify the voltage? I'd like to use the same. Thanks king.
Thanks man! I'll just wait for Arrow Lake. No reason to build new pc on a dead socket anyway.
I'm thinking to upgrade my 11900k for 14700k and platform. Seems to be a good value, the reduce the power draw a lot compared to 12 and 13e gen? Seems like the main point of this gen? Maybe i'm wrong, thank you. Nice vid!
Not worth it.
Keep your 11900K. Not worth it tbh. Its still really good and prob has alot of life left in it.
14900k is a fantastic choice if your building your 1st rig like me, or comming from i5 and below. My last rig is 7 years old. I find funny these clickbait intel haters thumbnails.
14900k won't last 7 years old unfortunately.
@@pR0ManiacS it absolutely will. You mean the socket? Yes but Im not upgrading from 4090 + 14900k like ever. Im mostly gaming.
@@tiltingart9276 wish you best of luck!
Thanks for the video! This looks like a 13900ks for cheaper. A bit disappointed in the imc performance but delidded this would be a nice upgrade from a 5.6ghz oc on my 13700k.
Imc performance is different chip from chip. You need to be lucky
@@damara2268 True. However, there were rumors that this refresh was going to have higher IMC performance. Its all good. Probably going to get one still.
@@nosajmartinez6175 The rumors where false.
@@nosajmartinez6175 technically it should have better IMC on average because the later the chip it is made on the same node the more mature the node is and the higher chance for better IMC you have in the silicon lottery
He's 100% correct, and I upgraded both my rigs. And used the 2 13900 k I updated to build two systems to sell.
I'm keeping
my ryzen 7900x
Should I buy a a 13900ks or 14900k there both the same price?
this is the best gaming-tec channel on youtube, period.
I guess I will stay with my max OC 13900K, still no competition.
Is it possible for the 14900k to run 5.9ghz lower than 1.27v?
no
Will this need a cpu frame bracket, if so which one would you suggest?
Jufes, do you think it is worth it to upgrade a 10700k, ddr4 3200c14, 4090 setup to a 14900k? Gaming at mostly 4k and can't tell if there will be any big gains..as always thanks for the info!
At this point wait for next gen
An i7-12700K is already a good upgrade over your chip, but i recommend new Intel gen with Intel 4 process aka TSMC 5nm or 4nm.
Could you do a comparison between 14700k vs 13900k/14900k. I think its the only cpu worth checking out since it is the only new cpu worth testing. Price to performance comparison. Smaller cache less ecores 12 than the i9 16 ecoress since i dont see reviewers compare e-core scaling in gaming.
Because these CPUs are so overkill that games basically don't call the e-cores, there are exceptions like shader compilation and Cyberpunk 2077.
Should I upgrade from a 7800x3d to a 14900k? I have a bad habit of overupgrading if I see a decent deal on a part. I previously had a 13700k . . . .
Great information, definitely save your money. Also, that Zotac AIRO card is soo sexy
What I like about this channel, there is no BS and truth right facts. 🤝
Intel pulled a 14nm+++ move again.
So unfortunately I had to take the 14900kf because the 13900ks was out of stock in my country.
Long story short it runs hot....very hot. Wat kind of undervolt would you suggest to help reduce my temps.
My cooler is the LS720 but yeah...
P.S. I already made the mistake so go easy on me.
I am running the cpu with turbo on and let bios decide on limits. CPU package is running 93 degrees celcius and core temps at 75 to 85 while gaming.
Lastly before you say the cooler is busted, I live in a very hot country where the daily temps can easily climb to 32 to 35 degrees c.
Appreciate the help.
Intel changed the packaging box of the 13900KS that was in stock/without packaging to 14900K, speeding up sales. XD
Hey man, I want to build new PC after 10 years. I am wondering should I go with AMD or with Intel? The pc will mainly be used for gaming and unreal engine. Thanks!
@@nivea878 Ok thanks for the reply. I will take your words into concideration.
Hey Jufes i have a 13900ks and i can xmp at 7800 is that pretty good or normal? I tried xmp 8000 but it was a no post , dont know if im mc limited or mb (tachyon z790) mc is 94 buiscuits
Great review man. Good stuff
What are the SP numbers exactly? I haven't been into overclocking for a while lol.
Jufes reviews: on day -1!
so on the long power draw my board sets it to 4096 watts but if lower that to like 325 my temps drop by like 20c is there any real reason to keep the watts that high
The only interesting chip is the 14700K really. Great video👍🏼
This was awesome!! Thanks for the info!
bros trying to figure out if a refresh is a refresh
this isn't news. Intel has been calling 14th Gen a refresh since as long as I first heard about 14th gen
Does it make sense to run 14900K with DDR4 (64GB, 4x16, c16)?
found your channel a while ago great video again
does it worth upgrade from 12900ks to 14900k? if it is not worth, what is the best OC for 12900ks?