If the 13700k is a little better than the 12900k and the 12900k is only 3 percent slower than the 13900k - does that mean the 13700k is basically as good for games as the 13900k?
Tarkov definitely benefits from large cache because it's pretty poorly optimized when it comes to memory. That's why 5800x3d was such an insane boost in Tarkov, would be curious to see it added in the mix at some point to see how it compares to these cpus
@@GGYlenol 5800x3d/amd chips are weird on many games. i think it's mostly just windows task manager assigning cores not optimally or just games not asking the correct info for amd (i don't know how to explain in english) i've been messing around with registry and priorities and other stuff. With very different results. On modern warfare (just for testing simplicity), i can get up to 10-30% improvement on 1% low and same for 0.2% low (fixed fps). with uncapped fps, the 0.2% lows dropped more then 50% 😆
@@lunatik6168 any idea why the 5800x3d and 6950 xt stutters on caldera? Ive been trying forever to find a fix for this but Im not experienced enough at tuning pcs
THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO KNOW... so annoying no ones uses EFT in their benchmarks vids. Its one of the most dependant games on cache so would be great to see
all these bench marks lead me to believe people get more fun out of building and having the actually pc then playing any actual games on their pc and they also have more fun watching other people playing the games then they do actually playing the games themselves.
Frame Chasers: "7950X is losing by 25% to 13900K, go look at my last benchmarks" Also Frame Chasers: *own benchmarks shows 7950X is losing 1-10% with exception of Riftbreaker which runs like shit when AMD CPU + Nvidia GPU* My dude you call everyone else a fanboy, yet your own numbers don't back your own words. And I am ignoring the fact that one uses motherboard and memory twice as expensive (which is fine if you want the best, but it's entire different tier). Where do you get confidence in saying 7950x3D/7800x3D won't destroy 13900K when again your own benchmarks show 5800x3D had very large uplift in many of the games compares to 5800X? Do you have some technical knowledge about why x3D won't scale well Zen 4 that we don't?
@@JamboGee92 the fact the 7950x only had 3D cache on half the cores turned me off. I stuck with Intel because I already know what I’m doing in this platform and memory compatibility is better and easier to over clock
that does it. my definition of maxed out AM4 - Cheap b450 - upgraded from 1st gen zen to 5700x now running at 4850 mhz on games - ddr4 3733 cl14 b-die, at 1.48v stable 56k bandwidth 53 - 54ns aida. Even though I want the am dip to go away - I'd just wait till you review the 7xxx3d just to be sure, or jump to 13600k and call it a day for a couple of generation untill i feel like I need 1000 frames per second to be a casual fps gamer Kudos to the supporters of this channel :)
U killed it man thanks so much for your handwork here. I managed to snag a golden sample and my bdie is rock solid at 4300 c16 here @ 5.7/4.9. So copium justified not going ddr5 hahaha thanks my man!!
Yessss thank you sooo much for benching Escape From Tarkov!! Can’t wait to see more and if the x3d’s coming out next year will have any difference in that game.
bruh. nice work. wanted to add that im still rocking a 4790k with a mild overclock. still works fine. bottlenecked as fk im sure, but still getting great framerates with a 3080ti
Was thinking of picking up a 4090 but ultimately decided to upgrade my platform. Went from a z390, i9 9900k and 32gbs of ddr4 ram to a z790, 13900k and 32gbs of ddr5 ram. I have 3080 and wasn't hurting for performance at 1440p. I'm happy with the decision I made. Running at 6.1ghz and temps are manageable.
I have to question the choice to do all core OCs on AMD CPUs. That specifically helps productivity by having higher all core clocks, but hampers max potential game performance. Curve optimizer is simply better because you get higher all core clocks while still getting equal or better boost clocks.
@@jak3All3n i dont understand people who say that you dont have a difference in 4K, the 13900K is the processor to use for 4090 or 7000 series for an gain of 15 to 20 fps per game in average go check the benchs
I got a 1200ks that can do 4200mts stable on the imc, pre delided kith the kits for 350 euro shipped. thanks to their currency going down I'm only going to pay like 345. Thanks for the tips jufes! The 12900ks used us the way to go!
Was waiting for this; as expected, 3-5% faster than 12th gen for $100's more...no thanks. Maxed out my AM4 system to skip AM5 until the 3D chips come out. 5800x3D, 32gb 4000mhz CL16, B550 Carbon Gaming mobo and Aorus 3090 waterblock. Yeah I'm good for a good while :D
As practice shows, it doesn't matter which of these 3 CPU`s you have, the main thing is to have a powerful GPU. Facts don't care what color your CPU is.
@@Cryptonomous Not really...I played TD and TD2 with my gaming group and we had guys upgrading GPUs because the game was either running to slow or looked like crap on reduced graphics settings. To be fair we also had guys upgrading CPUs because their quad cores were not getting it done.
man i love your reviews! I wait until i see your reviews before i buy shit, all i do is gaming on my PC so ill just save my money, have 12900k already, no need to upgrade or side grade lol, great work man, much appreciated thank you (pls start adding OW2 in the reviews lol)
Side grade is what I'm thinking as well. The only thing I'm thinking might be worth it is going with the 13700k as it seems like the memory controller might be slightly better. My ddr4 maxed out will only run 3900mhz G1, and it seems like 4,000+ is a benefit in warzone, in addition to better 1% lows with higher core clocks.
Hi! Greate video! What will you recommend for gaming PC build for next 4-5 years = i5 13600K or i7 13700K. I already have MB Gigabyte Z690 UD, so choosing from these two. As I see between i5 and i7 around 10% difference but in our country i7 cost around 450 dollars when i5 only 350. Thank you a lot!
good, I want to ask a question about an rtx 4090 supri x that I have. I've seen several videos on youtube and I've noticed that the same gpu has higher stock clocks... it can be from my graphics or some configuration on the board, for example mine works at 2730 in stock, whenever I look at the others they are at 2800 in stock. Thanks
do you recommend 7950x at 5.4 all cores instead of variable? How can i unlimit the wattage in the 4090?? my 4090 uses at least 330W and runs under 50 degress always. maybe i can get a better results
@Chill Music it’s common knowledge around framechasers community 5900x is 2ccd design is a laggy chip. Never would framechasers recommend a 5900x it’s been tested on the channel and in consults it’s a shit chip compared to even like a 12600k lol amd fanboy hurt feelings sensed
If you live near a Micro Center go with Ryzen 7000. They are giving 32gb of DDR5 for free if you purchase a cpu and $50 off a motherboard. That's quite the deal if you want a brand new platform.
Love your channel. Recent rumor concerned that cheap Z690(m)/Z790(m) mobos cannot sustain for a long-term high-performance output of high-end cpus. Can you stress test some cheap Z690(m)/Z790(m) mobos for high-end cpus such as 12900K/13700K/13900K?
Currently have 5600x with viper bdie and a 3070. Should i go 5800x3d or upgrade to 13900k. I play cod multiplayer competitively, not warzone. Affiliate link for 5800x3d if thats best option right now?
I agree. Would be really nice to see a comparison between the 13900 & 13700 w/ddr4. That would give us a really good indication if the increase in e cores, cache, or silicon quality are worth anything.
Will depend on the game, some won't show anything- like csgo but there is likely to be games that gain like 30% performance especially because even a 13900/7950x bottlenecks the rtx4090
Got 32gb gskill 3600 in a Taichi b550 5800x3d. Being a total noob I’m able to get it to 3800 14-15-15-15-35 @ 1.5v 58.6ns. Been working on getting it under 55ns, definitely ride this setup to next gen no problem. Not dropping more money just to get shredded by my daughters friends on a OG xbox1.
At 1.52 - 1.55v should not need an active fan (just decent case cooling should be enough) and you can probably hit 3800 c14-14-14-34 with ease. Bring down trfc to 280-260 or so (this is very temp sensitive, could cause crashing beyond this point)
@Frame Chasers, i think you should start adding some mid range DDR5 in your comparisons. Something like a 5200hz or 5600hz in which i assume most of the buyers have. (Since 7600hz are not widely available yet) Also, another thing, start adding stock 12900k's and 13900ks out of the box that are not overclocked to max. Again i assume most of the people are usually buying those and using those as they come. Other than that amazing review! :)
5200 DDR5 is horrid, you may as well stick to DDR4 at that point. Also, given the name "frame chasers" it makes sense why he doesnt bother with stock settings. Thats what all the other reviewers do anyway.
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I'm wondering if the cores can clock as high at similar voltage to the 13900k. If 13600k and 13700k both have similar binning on how far the cores OC, might just get a 13600k
@@VeRKKok alrighty good to know, cuz i was wondering how his cache is so high. I ordered a 13700k to replace my 12600kf that only does 5.1/4.7 and the memory controller is just not it. My bdie is only running 3800 14/14/14/28
nice honest straight to the point reviews. some good ddr4 will get you a long way maybe even skip ddr5 completely. I totally agree. I feel like ddr5 was overhyped just like 5G was. Gigabyte tachyon z790 just got some 9300 ddr5 memory speeds. Might be worth comparing with the fastest ddr4 (5333 I believe) and the lowest latency ddr4 possible. What I want to see is how the fastest ddr4 (5333) compares with the lowest latency ddr4, and then see how the currently fastest ddr5 (9300) compares to some more mainstream low latency ddr5 and then the results between these 2 generations. Is it worth going for the 5333 or just stick to some good 3200 or 3600 or 4100 ddr4? (surely will depend on price and % differences in performance) or invest a bit more and go for ddr5 (but mainstream affordable low latency ddr5 or its worth waiting for the high speeds 9000+ to drop in prices because the performance % difference will start to actually matter, which I doubt will be the case as we've seen with memories so far, but maybe those rly high speeds will start making a difference?). Edit: Might be worth just waiting for 13900ks and zen 4 3d v-cache and then seeing what the fastest ddr5 speeds attained have become and doing the tests then. Or just do these tests now with what we have and update later when these products launch as its still like 2 months plus away.
On a 12700k in Warzone, what Renderer worker count do people have? 6? 8? What about Video Memory Scale? I keep stuttering in game even with a 100Mbps stable internet speed
I think you need to compared those 4 processors in 4k resolution where the difference when i checked the differents benchmarks show an amazing improve with the combo of 13900K and 4090 vs 12900K and 4090 for example, average of 8 to 15% up the performance ! so i think the 13900K perform way better with the architecture for 4090 or futur 7000 series ! it s begun useless to compared them in 1440 P
Exactly, if you buy a 4090 and you don't play at 4K, you are kinda dumb. Just go with a 3090 if you play at 1440p. 4090 is for 4K with 240hz monitor. Warzone runs at 250fps at 4K with a 4090 no problem (and no DLSS BS). This is a 4K monster
@@ArbitraryFilmings Dude, have you watched my videos? I can play no problem at 1440p with my 3090. Now, the time is 4K on my 4090. That's it dude. This is it! You can argue, but this card is made for 4K 240hz gaming. Do you have an 6900xt and this is why you are complaining because you never been able to play competitively? I play warzone at 240hz 4K buttered smooth with 4090 and happy. Up to you to if you want to play low rez. There is no good or bad here. Just saying there is no point in buying at 4090 if you want to play at 1440p. Just save money and buy at 3090 and optimize it. That's it. Jezzz
What baffles me how do all these goddamn reviewers all have these cpus and cards when I can't get either and I've pre-ordered..... Ridiculous and stupid
Interesting thing with turning off the E cores, while yes, you'll gain fps at lowest settings 1080p in SoTR, you'll also lose even more performance if you turn the settings up to High/Highest preset. In my testing I hit 309 fps E cores off vs 301 E cores on, but on the highest preset I got 285 fps E cores on vs 248 fps E cores off. So, if your playing 4k high/max settings don't turn off E cores. I ran multiple passes to prove this because I wasn't expecting it either. 12900k 5.2/4.3 32GB DDR4 4000 CL16 E coes off running 4.8 on cache. RTX 4090 max OC
@@jayjaytp10 you're looking at 1-3 percent at best. I'd oc the chip first before considering 13900k or maybe upgrade the gpu as you'll see a bigger difference on a 3090 ti for similar price or 4090 for a generational leap.
@@BornInArona Yeah, but I guess I have been lucky with my mobo and psu's so far. Only thing that blew up was my old 780 Ti, but that was entirely my fault (one PCIe power cable came loose from carrying my PC a lot).
5800x3d is between 20fps (vs Amd) and 50fps (vs intel) fps slower in the 1% lows. That same run using a 5800x3d will result in a 200-205 fps result in regards to 1% lows.
Is there a massive difference from 5950x to 130900k with 4090? I have a strix 4090 with 5950X and I’m not sure if it’s worth the upgrade? I play warzone 99% of the time. So I’m always chasing better FPS.
My 13900k with just xmp1 in CB23 got 39k + with thermal throttle, then turned off asus MCE and dropped 1k points, turned on AIOC and still at 38K but 3 cores hit 6.2g and e cores all hit 4.6 and no thermal throttle. Asus z690 extreme Arctic LF2 420 TG 6200 cl38 2x16 a2 b2 slots.
Looks like the 12700KF and 4000mhz DDR4 are going to stick around for a few generations. Good no bs review.
Yeah
Nah
Obviously, if you have a 12th gen, you keep the 12th gen. You're not meant to upgrade every 6 months....
@@PragmaticTornado lol nah I'd upgrade every 6 if I could sheeeee
@@steezegod2768 yeah you need your dose :)
As always love the intros.
Thanks to all the supporters who made this video possible. We all appreciate it.
Thank you.
frr they're the best part.
If the 13700k is a little better than the 12900k and the 12900k is only 3 percent slower than the 13900k - does that mean the 13700k is basically as good for games as the 13900k?
Tarkov definitely benefits from large cache because it's pretty poorly optimized when it comes to memory. That's why 5800x3d was such an insane boost in Tarkov, would be curious to see it added in the mix at some point to see how it compares to these cpus
It compares pretty bad I would say since 5800x3d had a pretty significant fps dip compared to 12700k. The vid is on this channel.
@@GGYlenol 5800x3d/amd chips are weird on many games. i think it's mostly just windows task manager assigning cores not optimally or just games not asking the correct info for amd (i don't know how to explain in english)
i've been messing around with registry and priorities and other stuff. With very different results. On modern warfare (just for testing simplicity), i can get up to 10-30% improvement on 1% low and same for 0.2% low (fixed fps).
with uncapped fps, the 0.2% lows dropped more then 50% 😆
@@lunatik6168 any idea why the 5800x3d and 6950 xt stutters on caldera? Ive been trying forever to find a fix for this but Im not experienced enough at tuning pcs
He's already benchmarked the 3D in tarkov. Go to his 7950x review.
THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO KNOW... so annoying no ones uses EFT in their benchmarks vids. Its one of the most dependant games on cache so would be great to see
Thanks Jufes for using a dark background for graphs, it looks better and doesn't burn my eyes anymore.
So glad I saw this video. I kept getting Fomo for 13th gen. When I have 12700kf. And 3440x1440 monitor. So I'll be sticking with it for few years.
ditto
Thank you so much for Escape from Tarkov! That's pretty much the only game I play and nobody else benchmarks it.
*Sad Stellaris noises*
all these bench marks lead me to believe people get more fun out of building and having the actually pc then playing any actual games on their pc and they also have more fun watching other people playing the games then they do actually playing the games themselves.
I 100% agree, there also really aren’t any good games to play right now except the PlayStation ports and overwatch
Frame Chasers: "7950X is losing by 25% to 13900K, go look at my last benchmarks"
Also Frame Chasers: *own benchmarks shows 7950X is losing 1-10% with exception of Riftbreaker which runs like shit when AMD CPU + Nvidia GPU*
My dude you call everyone else a fanboy, yet your own numbers don't back your own words. And I am ignoring the fact that one uses motherboard and memory twice as expensive (which is fine if you want the best, but it's entire different tier). Where do you get confidence in saying 7950x3D/7800x3D won't destroy 13900K when again your own benchmarks show 5800x3D had very large uplift in many of the games compares to 5800X? Do you have some technical knowledge about why x3D won't scale well Zen 4 that we don't?
I’m trying to decide if I’m going with a 7950/7900x3d or a 13900K, I’ve been on a 9900K for a few years and I’m starting to notice bottlenecks
What did you go with?
@@JamboGee92 I got a 13900K, and I’m pretty happy with it
@@chincemagnet Nice. It's the same choice I have to make, between those 3 processors, and I'm also coming from a i9 9900k too.
@@JamboGee92 the fact the 7950x only had 3D cache on half the cores turned me off. I stuck with Intel because I already know what I’m doing in this platform and memory compatibility is better and easier to over clock
@@chincemagnet The reason why I'm considering AMD is because of the AM5 upgrade path. I have always went for Intel though, and probably will again.
Nice! Thx for the benchmarks, I guess I'm keeping my 12900K and wait to see what the 14th gen has to offer
that does it.
my definition of maxed out AM4 - Cheap b450 - upgraded from 1st gen zen to 5700x now running at 4850 mhz on games - ddr4 3733 cl14 b-die, at 1.48v stable 56k bandwidth 53 - 54ns aida.
Even though I want the am dip to go away - I'd just wait till you review the 7xxx3d just to be sure, or jump to 13600k and call it a day for a couple of generation untill i feel like I need 1000 frames per second to be a casual fps gamer
Kudos to the supporters of this channel :)
Jufus makes the best intros. Period.
You launched the a-die on z690 unify-x right? If so, is there any sense for a new user to buy z790?
U killed it man thanks so much for your handwork here. I managed to snag a golden sample and my bdie is rock solid at 4300 c16 here @ 5.7/4.9. So copium justified not going ddr5 hahaha thanks my man!!
Meanwhile, value green pcb A-die at 8400c40 goes brrrrrrr
@@bingbing3464 Hi there, which motherboard can do 8400? And where can we find these memories?
@@OpKadao hynix a-dies
@@bingbing3464 Thanks. Will look into it
Yessss thank you sooo much for benching Escape From Tarkov!! Can’t wait to see more and if the x3d’s coming out next year will have any difference in that game.
Great review again. Love the intro :)
Great review Jufes. That intro made me chuckle lol
bruh. nice work. wanted to add that im still rocking a 4790k with a mild overclock. still works fine. bottlenecked as fk im sure, but still getting great framerates with a 3080ti
Dude, knocking outta the park yet again.
Bro the intros are becoming legendary bro
Best PC-Tech Channel
The intro! 🤣
im glad you brought this style of vid back, wasnt a huge fan of mostly live streams
Was thinking of picking up a 4090 but ultimately decided to upgrade my platform. Went from a z390, i9 9900k and 32gbs of ddr4 ram to a z790, 13900k and 32gbs of ddr5 ram. I have 3080 and wasn't hurting for performance at 1440p. I'm happy with the decision I made. Running at 6.1ghz and temps are manageable.
@lahaan haven't had a vram issue, also my plan was to set myself up for a gpu upgrade in the future while waiting for atx 3.0 to come out.
What is your temperature at 6.1 ghz?
What's the GOAL?
Finally found the hammer again in a video.
I have to question the choice to do all core OCs on AMD CPUs. That specifically helps productivity by having higher all core clocks, but hampers max potential game performance. Curve optimizer is simply better because you get higher all core clocks while still getting equal or better boost clocks.
I have a 12900k and a rtx3090. What do you guys think is the point of changing to a 13900k/kf? I use the PC for entertainment and gaming in 4k.
No point, in 4k, they all perform the same, your GPU is the bottleneck.
Nah, you don't need, it wouldn't make a big difference at all, definitely go for 4090 GPU if you want any kind of big benefit for gaming
@@jak3All3n i dont understand people who say that you dont have a difference in 4K, the 13900K is the processor to use for 4090 or 7000 series for an gain of 15 to 20 fps per game in average go check the benchs
@@lalicdalibor1367 did you watch the video?
@@VeRKKok Single Player. Now Cyberpunk.
I got a 1200ks that can do 4200mts stable on the imc, pre delided kith the kits for 350 euro shipped. thanks to their currency going down I'm only going to pay like 345. Thanks for the tips jufes! The 12900ks used us the way to go!
Where? In eu we pay 700€ for a normal ks without delid and nothing
@@denyxrunner used
Was waiting for this; as expected, 3-5% faster than 12th gen for $100's more...no thanks. Maxed out my AM4 system to skip AM5 until the 3D chips come out. 5800x3D, 32gb 4000mhz CL16, B550 Carbon Gaming mobo and Aorus 3090 waterblock. Yeah I'm good for a good while :D
So you get 4000 mhz and 2000 flck?
There we go - nice job. 👌
As practice shows, it doesn't matter which of these 3 CPU`s you have, the main thing is to have a powerful GPU. Facts don't care what color your CPU is.
@@TechnessCorner Not so much in a gaming machine...GPU is much more important as long as the CPU is decent.
@@Cryptonomous Not really...I played TD and TD2 with my gaming group and we had guys upgrading GPUs because the game was either running to slow or looked like crap on reduced graphics settings. To be fair we also had guys upgrading CPUs because their quad cores were not getting it done.
That intro, funny AF! Good content
man i love your reviews! I wait until i see your reviews before i buy shit, all i do is gaming on my PC so ill just save my money, have 12900k already, no need to upgrade or side grade lol, great work man, much appreciated thank you (pls start adding OW2 in the reviews lol)
OW2 is an easy 600FPS lock on any modern CPU, so it would be pointless.
Side grade is what I'm thinking as well.
The only thing I'm thinking might be worth it is going with the 13700k as it seems like the memory controller might be slightly better. My ddr4 maxed out will only run 3900mhz G1, and it seems like 4,000+ is a benefit in warzone, in addition to better 1% lows with higher core clocks.
I know this is the not focus of this video but how would you rate the responsiveness of each CPU? (in web browing or just in general)
They all the same basically
What? 🤣
Hi! Greate video!
What will you recommend for gaming PC build for next 4-5 years = i5 13600K or i7 13700K. I already have MB Gigabyte Z690 UD, so choosing from these two. As I see between i5 and i7 around 10% difference but in our country i7 cost around 450 dollars when i5 only 350.
Thank you a lot!
good, I want to ask a question about an rtx 4090 supri x that I have. I've seen several videos on youtube and I've noticed that the same gpu has higher stock clocks... it can be from my graphics or some configuration on the board, for example mine works at 2730 in stock, whenever I look at the others they are at 2800 in stock. Thanks
I still remember seeing that movie in theaters when I was a kid. GOATED
Great review as always Jufes!
That intro was gold 🤭
The 13th serie is the 11th serie all over again
Awesome vid as always. I hope you add rust in future benchmarks again especially after the findings in your recent video.
Its so nice to see down to earth recommendations, right now 12900k is 200 usd cheaper! Just for a 10% performance increase is ridiculous
Jufes what’s your p core sp for 13900k and did you have for e cores off?
Very interested to know about the e cores on 13th gen doing anything as well.
Do you think you could test the fps dips while running a single pc stream? As Intel has claimed their effiency cores help mitigate that
do you recommend 7950x at 5.4 all cores instead of variable?
How can i unlimit the wattage in the 4090?? my 4090 uses at least 330W and runs under 50 degress always. maybe i can get a better results
This might be the Molly talking, but I love you and your channel as well as your view on hardware in general
Hardware unboxed is goat cheese
5800x3d comparison would be interesting along with these cpus
@@Archonsx 5900x is junk in gaming that’s why it’s not tested lol
@Chill Music it’s common knowledge around framechasers community 5900x is 2ccd design is a laggy chip. Never would framechasers recommend a 5900x it’s been tested on the channel and in consults it’s a shit chip compared to even like a 12600k lol amd fanboy hurt feelings sensed
@Chill Music yeah the only amd that gets tested or competes is 5800x3d or 7000 series, the others are trash
He’s probably waiting for the zen4 3D to come out
@Chill Music maybe they are talking about the zen3 AMDip where it goes to like 2fps at the low dips. It’s some kind of like inside joke now
The video intros are always my favorite part
If you live near a Micro Center go with Ryzen 7000. They are giving 32gb of DDR5 for free if you purchase a cpu and $50 off a motherboard. That's quite the deal if you want a brand new platform.
Love your channel. Recent rumor concerned that cheap Z690(m)/Z790(m) mobos cannot sustain for a long-term high-performance output of high-end cpus. Can you stress test some cheap Z690(m)/Z790(m) mobos for high-end cpus such as 12900K/13700K/13900K?
Best Raptor lake review currently on the net.
My 13900kf has been a nightmare to tune!
Currently have 5600x with viper bdie and a 3070. Should i go 5800x3d or upgrade to 13900k. I play cod multiplayer competitively, not warzone. Affiliate link for 5800x3d if thats best option right now?
That intro was so damn corny but yet I love it!! 😂😂
Hi. What's about 10900k OC ? Do i need to change cpu for 4090 QHD ?
Its fine
Great intro bud.
I think we need a do over of the video where you streamed on the cores. 13900k e cores should be able to put in some work while streaming.
I agree. Would be really nice to see a comparison between the 13900 & 13700 w/ddr4.
That would give us a really good indication if the increase in e cores, cache, or silicon quality are worth anything.
Maybe by 2030 we'll _finally_ have DirectStorage so we don't have to worry about DRAM speed anymore~
Cxl will do that
It's only been released in March. Game and engine developers need time to implement it.
By 2030 "you will own nothing and be happy" - World Economic Forum
@@Kizzster Yes, it does. The fundamental design of how and when you pull in data has to change. This is not something that you just patch into a game.
That intro was priceless.. LMAO!!!!
If the 5800x 3d is any indication a improved 7000 series 3d chip could be a huge bump.
Will depend on the game, some won't show anything- like csgo but there is likely to be games that gain like 30% performance especially because even a 13900/7950x bottlenecks the rtx4090
14th Gen Intel will DECIMATE it
TH-camrs nowadays are prioritizing their speculation skills if they are true or not
I’d like a $20 cheeseburger 🍔. Hold the toppings, hold the meat, and the cheese 😝
Amazing channel & content ❤
Intro God 😂😂😂
Got 32gb gskill 3600 in a Taichi b550 5800x3d. Being a total noob I’m able to get it to 3800 14-15-15-15-35 @ 1.5v 58.6ns. Been working on getting it under 55ns, definitely ride this setup to next gen no problem. Not dropping more money just to get shredded by my daughters friends on a
OG xbox1.
At 1.52 - 1.55v should not need an active fan (just decent case cooling should be enough) and you can probably hit 3800 c14-14-14-34 with ease. Bring down trfc to 280-260 or so (this is very temp sensitive, could cause crashing beyond this point)
@@SamLoki killer. I’ll double check but I think Trfc was at 312 with xmp and I dropped it to 280. I’ll post all my secondary timings when I get home.
@Frame Chasers, i think you should start adding some mid range DDR5 in your comparisons. Something like a 5200hz or 5600hz in which i assume most of the buyers have. (Since 7600hz are not widely available yet) Also, another thing, start adding stock 12900k's and 13900ks out of the box that are not overclocked to max. Again i assume most of the people are usually buying those and using those as they come. Other than that amazing review! :)
5200 DDR5 is horrid, you may as well stick to DDR4 at that point. Also, given the name "frame chasers" it makes sense why he doesnt bother with stock settings. Thats what all the other reviewers do anyway.
dude why are you here if you want stock values wtf go watch HUB
This channel is about OC results, not stock. Plenty other youtubers already do stock benches.
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No you're not quite right. This channel obviously biased towards its audience. A very niche and sophisticated people.
Best Intro and review as usual! Use that affiliate link
Only one question left is the 13700k as good as the 13900k in gaming still as per your last 13700k vs 13900k.
The 13700k is identical in performance to the 12900k pretty much the same cpu
The 13700k is identical in performance to the 12900k pretty much the same cpu
The 13700k is identical in performance to the 12900k pretty much the same cpu
I'm wondering if the cores can clock as high at similar voltage to the 13900k. If 13600k and 13700k both have similar binning on how far the cores OC, might just get a 13600k
That Intro😂
Do you disable the e cores?
@@VeRKKok alrighty good to know, cuz i was wondering how his cache is so high. I ordered a 13700k to replace my 12600kf that only does 5.1/4.7 and the memory controller is just not it. My bdie is only running 3800 14/14/14/28
LOL that intro is perfect
nice honest straight to the point reviews. some good ddr4 will get you a long way maybe even skip ddr5 completely. I totally agree. I feel like ddr5 was overhyped just like 5G was. Gigabyte tachyon z790 just got some 9300 ddr5 memory speeds. Might be worth comparing with the fastest ddr4 (5333 I believe) and the lowest latency ddr4 possible. What I want to see is how the fastest ddr4 (5333) compares with the lowest latency ddr4, and then see how the currently fastest ddr5 (9300) compares to some more mainstream low latency ddr5 and then the results between these 2 generations. Is it worth going for the 5333 or just stick to some good 3200 or 3600 or 4100 ddr4? (surely will depend on price and % differences in performance) or invest a bit more and go for ddr5 (but mainstream affordable low latency ddr5 or its worth waiting for the high speeds 9000+ to drop in prices because the performance % difference will start to actually matter, which I doubt will be the case as we've seen with memories so far, but maybe those rly high speeds will start making a difference?).
Edit: Might be worth just waiting for 13900ks and zen 4 3d v-cache and then seeing what the fastest ddr5 speeds attained have become and doing the tests then. Or just do these tests now with what we have and update later when these products launch as its still like 2 months plus away.
Thx for this vid ! I just pulled a trigger on a 7700x .
As always providing all the info that matters. Great review Jufes!!! Now go get some sleep and play some overwatch!!!
nice work bro. like your style. no bullshit with the bullshit on the side.
Are the ecores turned off for the intel chips?
On a 12700k in Warzone, what Renderer worker count do people have? 6? 8? What about Video Memory Scale? I keep stuttering in game even with a 100Mbps stable internet speed
13900k without error cores? Does the extra cache make a difference?
I think you need to compared those 4 processors in 4k resolution where the difference when i checked the differents benchmarks show an amazing improve with the combo of 13900K and 4090 vs 12900K and 4090 for example, average of 8 to 15% up the performance ! so i think the 13900K perform way better with the architecture for 4090 or futur 7000 series ! it s begun useless to compared them in 1440 P
Exactly, if you buy a 4090 and you don't play at 4K, you are kinda dumb. Just go with a 3090 if you play at 1440p. 4090 is for 4K with 240hz monitor. Warzone runs at 250fps at 4K with a 4090 no problem (and no DLSS BS). This is a 4K monster
4090 / 13900k odyseey g8 neo sorted
@@ArbitraryFilmings Dude, have you watched my videos? I can play no problem at 1440p with my 3090. Now, the time is 4K on my 4090. That's it dude. This is it! You can argue, but this card is made for 4K 240hz gaming. Do you have an 6900xt and this is why you are complaining because you never been able to play competitively? I play warzone at 240hz 4K buttered smooth with 4090 and happy. Up to you to if you want to play low rez. There is no good or bad here. Just saying there is no point in buying at 4090 if you want to play at 1440p. Just save money and buy at 3090 and optimize it. That's it. Jezzz
Thank Jufes!
What baffles me how do all these goddamn reviewers all have these cpus and cards when I can't get either and I've pre-ordered..... Ridiculous and stupid
Interesting thing with turning off the E cores, while yes, you'll gain fps at lowest settings 1080p in SoTR, you'll also lose even more performance if you turn the settings up to High/Highest preset. In my testing I hit 309 fps E cores off vs 301 E cores on, but on the highest preset I got 285 fps E cores on vs 248 fps E cores off. So, if your playing 4k high/max settings don't turn off E cores. I ran multiple passes to prove this because I wasn't expecting it either.
12900k 5.2/4.3 32GB DDR4 4000 CL16
E coes off running 4.8 on cache.
RTX 4090 max OC
do you think getting a 13900k is worth? i have a 12900k (stock speeds) and i was curious in getting the 13900k
Depends on what resolution and GPU you have. If you play 4K on high to max settings you'll see no difference in performance between 12900k and 13900k.
@@battlephenom8508 i have a 3080 playing at 1440p
@@jayjaytp10 you're looking at 1-3 percent at best. I'd oc the chip first before considering 13900k or maybe upgrade the gpu as you'll see a bigger difference on a 3090 ti for similar price or 4090 for a generational leap.
Bonjour,
C'est normal que avec le nouveau processeur 13900k je vois que les températures du processeur et non des différents cœurs ? Merci
Cool intro!!!
That "buy once and buy again in 10 years"-guy is me. Upgrading from a i7 4770 to the 7700x and hoping the platform will last me for another 10 years.
If you waited that long why not just wait for the 7800X3D?
@@BornInArona Yeah, but I guess I have been lucky with my mobo and psu's so far. Only thing that blew up was my old 780 Ti, but that was entirely my fault (one PCIe power cable came loose from carrying my PC a lot).
@@rdmz135 Because the X3D model is presumably quite a bit slower in applications. Lightroom and Handbrake don't benefit from the extra cache.
You say presumably lol you nix your whole argument there
@@Cremepi 5800X3D is slower in rendering than the 5800X, so...
I also need a new system right now, not in a couple of months.
Hey bro, are you planning to make a undervolt video for 13gen? Cause they are very power hungry
5800x3d is between 20fps (vs Amd) and 50fps (vs intel) fps slower in the 1% lows. That same run using a 5800x3d will result in a 200-205 fps result in regards to 1% lows.
13700k + DDR4 B-die and you can skip DDR5
Will you be comparing the Z690 vs Z790 chipsets?
No difference
GOAT!
joofooes, I want to use your links but Im not using amazon.. Help.
Amazing content! Could you add a MW2 bench?
Best intros ever
Is there a massive difference from 5950x to 130900k with 4090? I have a strix 4090 with 5950X and I’m not sure if it’s worth the upgrade? I play warzone 99% of the time. So I’m always chasing better FPS.
Huge difference in the lows.
@@JoeMama-yl1ow you mean the 13900k platform? Where if I was to upgrade to the 7950x then I shouldn’t need to change my motherboard again for a while?
@@jamesbailey6200 just go for the 13900k...
My KF is only an sp96 😢 how will I even compete
Might need to dump the 5950x, lows are way to low compared to the 13900k in my opinion
What motherboard was used on DDR4 Platform?
@@freak777power 3800 cl14 already, the amd dips are real.
My 13900k with just xmp1 in CB23 got 39k + with thermal throttle, then turned off asus MCE and dropped 1k points, turned on AIOC and still at 38K but 3 cores hit 6.2g and e cores all hit 4.6 and no thermal throttle. Asus z690 extreme Arctic LF2 420 TG 6200 cl38 2x16 a2 b2 slots.
I got a 9700k right now l, thinking of getting a 13700k after your 13gen reviews