There's an appreciation for this channel that no mainstream tech tuber can get. Because while those guys will show a few graphs of results and then spoon-feed their audience what to believe, you are explaining the technical details of how stuff works and then have people draw their own conclusion. I don't even care about DDR5 yet and won't for many more years until it's actually time to upgrade, but this is interesting to watch regardless. Even with MS paint and notepad things can be illustrated perfectly.
Dual rank DDR4 experiences the same behaviour as Dual rank does in DDR5, in fact a bigger gap than in DDR5, as it is only 2x64 bit controller instead of 4X32 bit controller, which masks latencies better.
I found your channel a little while ago and I have to give you props on the unique, specific kinds of tests you run. Very interesting and in line with the criteria I'd be asking
The problem is that cheaper 6 layer intel z690 4 ram slot boards handle dual rank modules worse than single tank, you cannot expect single and dual ram sticks to hit the same max frequency. Interesting to see how z790 will handle this.
Darn, from one side I did not expect that much difference difference between DDR4 and DDR5, from the other, the difference feels pretty negligible! :D Thanks for the video!
How to you get so low latency?? I run DDR5 6000 at 6600 36-36-36-72 with tight secondary and tetary timings. I have 56 ns latency Aida and this is in safe mode for best result!??!?! What the magic key? And how can his forth timming be 28??????????? 30-38-38-!28!
@@lassekristensen385 Currently Im getting 49ns, But Im running my 6400c32 kit @ 7200c32 on a z690 Unify-X motherboard (2 slot mobo does better than 4). It has to do with the ram. I bet you have Samsung, and with Samsung ram thats really good (your scores). Micron M-Die is what Im running and Im at it's limits, then there is Micron A-die that will hit 7800c36. Crazy stuff. But the M-Die at CL32 either 6800-7200 is kinda the low latency sweet spot. And also, 13700k is 3 or 4ns lower than 13900k, too, bc the ring is shorter with 16 cores than with 24, so lower RTL.
@@CrackaSlapYa Interesting read, yes you are right.. I have Samsung B die. Right now im running them at 6600 instead of stock 6000. At 36-36-36-96. So I can see that C32 7000 would give the missing ns. :) I am pretty impressed on how they can handle heat! In my 10900K I also had same G Skill Trident Z and when they got to 65c they began to be unhappy! These without I noticed many times at 74c to almost 80c with no errors in OCCT! :) pretty sick haha .. This happens when I forgot to turn fans up to max when stress testing haha. I tried 32-32-32-86 but was not able to get it 100% stable even at 6000. But I used same secondary etc. so maybe they werent fit for that speed. I will look into this again later. And last whats your voltage for those speeds? Are you setting VDD and VDDQ the same? I am, dont know if its correct.
I am running 6800 28/39/36/28 Hynix M-Die with 13700k at 4.9Ghz RIng on ROG z690-F 4 Dimmer which only goes up to 6600 officially. Run Limpack and Y-Cruncher at 1.53v VDD and 1.5v VDDQ with crazy low secondary and teritiary timings and yet i also get 50ns constantly. Without crazy secondary/tertiary timings i get 55ns. At this point i am pretty shure the "cheap" asus z-series motherboard is the reason for that. Read at around 109000 Gbs and Write at 106000 Gbs seems pretty good otherwise. But i have seen many get lower latency.
Big fan from Canada, PLEASE test Modern Warfare 2 beta with DDR4/5 on Intel and AMD from September 22 to 26. Based on what we saw at the Warzone 2 reveal yesterday the framerates never went above 150 fps in WZ2 on the machines provided by Activision.
Tons of single rank 16gb ddr4 modules in the market now. Even a lot of 32gb kits that used to be guaranteed dual rank are now single rank without a part number change. Really annoying.
LOL Jufes, your intros and thumbnails are so funny :) Let me tell you my experience from the OC competitive world, i discovered the same but with DDR4 using 16GB sticks, some benchmarks, specially Intel XTU v1 scores more than faster single rank DDR4 8GB modules, i showed this to some friends and results were the same. Sometimes you can get some pretty good info and proof that can apply to the gaming world from those benchmarks, for that reason, i told you on my previous message on your other video that i apply all that i learn from the OC world to the gaming world. All the Best, Sergio!
I love when people on reddit try to argue with me about DDR5 not knowing I did a full manual timings tune (50.2ns). They always delete the thread soon as I shut them down with facts.
The only reason I consider to buy a 13600k/7700x3D is to have 144fps locked in every game. I care way more about the GPU, but I don't want any bottleneck from cpu.
@@robertsharp6072 with an rtx 4080 and the next best gaming cpu???? why are people buying 300hz screens then. I want to buy red dead redemption 2 everything maxxed out at 1440p, next gta, next battlefield... otherwise I can stay in 1080p
@@terminator9099 Yes. It is not going to happen even with 4090. When better graphics will come to cosumers, 144fps min at 1440p max settings will not be possible. But with few video settings adjusments 200 can be minimum for most stuff.
@@terminator9099 We already know next gen games are gonna be more demanding. Learn how tech works buddy. 144 FPS minimum is a pipe dream, you will then need 5090 for next gen games to achieve that.
You're talking about Zen 4 but all of your screenshots show a 12900k. Maybe you mentioned something about that in the video and I didn't catch it. Are the timings the same on the two sets of memory that are the same speed? Could timing differences maybe be part of why the duel rank performed better? I'm sure duel rank does help a bit but 8% seems like a bit much.
Unless they manually validated, the motherboards usually do whatever they feel like for secondary. You'll just need to follow some guides with the arithmetic required to set them in accordance to each other.
@@skorpers Yeah thats correct. But your subtimings will change if you use (for example) XMP. And most of the time they get worse. And you can boost your primary timings to the absolute max and still be slower than somebody that works on his subtimings. Check out this vid and all his Ram Guides for a lot more information. It is really good guide (watch?v=pgb8N23tsfA)
Hello, I love your videos, you are always factual and concrete, thank you again. However, I have a question. I just changed my Intel system to AMD, 7800X3D, I had 64GB DDR5, 4x16, XMP on my old motherboard, and I used them on my new X670e. I had heard that AM5 did not support 4 dual DDR5 strips, but apparently it works perfectly in DOCP1, but what I don't know is if I lose or gain performance?! I used 64GB because for some games like Stars Citizen you may need 30GB. Should I stay with 4x16, or buy 2x32? Thanks for your reply.
You said dual rank was 2 ranks on one side and that is DDR5. But then you were testing single rank against dual rank. Were you comparing DDR4 to DDR5? Or did you mean quad rank sticks vs dual rank sticks ?
Do you think Warzone 2 will perform similar to Warzone, or even better ? Or do you think the new IW 9 Engine will be even worse in performance and we need better hardware ? Currently Warzone is on a CPU Limit with an High End GPU (3090, oc rx6900xtxh/6950) I bought my PC with a non k i7 12700 with Crucial Ballistix 3200@C16 and i managed to bump it up to 3600@c14. GPU is a rx6900xtxh, when i found your channel i watched almost every video and i cant even tell how many times ive run the train trail in caldera xD. Currently im getting 212 fps on average (150 1%) in Caldera and 215-220avg in Rebirth with 160-170 1% lows. (I only play rebirth anyway) My GPU usage is about 80% on both maps, in 1080p its 60% so i get no more fps if i lower my resolution. Right now im doing very well with this setup and if I cap my FPS in caldera to 200 with RTSS, or 210 in Rebirth, my 1% lows are almost the same as the average FPS, TrueGameData did a test and it even reduces the input lag if he caps the FPS. Monitor is a G7. Do u think its worth to upgrade to a 5800x3d for now and for Warzone 2, because as soon as a CPU can give me 250< FPS i could cap it to 240, my 1% lows would be almost the same and ive maxed out my G7, but currently my CPU / DDR4 setup is not strong enough to give more than 210/220 (caldera/rebirth) on average. My goal is OVER 240fps on average (GPU is only @80% in 1440p), so that I cap them to 240 to get almost the same 1% lows as the average 240fps and ive maxed out the G7. I know its almost impossible to tell the difference between 240fps and 210fps, but just that i know ive maxed out everything @ 1440p im happy.
Wow! Finally someone explains why ddr5 is claimed to be faster....and by extension why the DIMMs can have more capacity. (Okay, so it happened 1 year ago, but I just found it. so....)
The performance increase is negligible that it's not worth forgoing a capacity of 128gb of ram. Sorry the 10% increase at most means nothing in comparison to having double the amount of ram.
@@Remzly Wrong, having 128gb of ram allows you to have many more programs running in the background like other games. Your 64gb computer is inferior to a 128gb computer. You're like on of those idiots who thinks way back in the day that the who thought the 7700k was better than the 6950x extreme processor from intel. Gaming is not just about sheer speed. The 6950x while being a bit slower is significantly more useful as it has 10 cores compared to a measly 4 core 8 thread processor. Get out of here with your peasantry 64gb ram nonsense.
Whats going on with BCLK at 7:55 vs 8:05? Dual rank setup is showing a 2% OC (ik both are at 102) Just thought it was relevant since aidia numbers break with BCLK OC
Interesting finding. How much higher is the SA Voltage/CPU MC VDD/TX VDDQ needed to clock the Dual-rank sticks compared to Single-rank stick at same frequency (e.g 6000MT/s) ?
Wew, ketemu om Alva dimari. Cobain 1x32gb vs 2x16gb vs 4x8gb ddr5 di frek/timing yg sama dong, mana yg lebih kenceng (abaikan rank) di platform intel tentunya, AM5 kabarnya ga suport speed tinggi pake 4 keping ram. 🙏
I'm running a 64GB gskill 5600Mhz CL30 1.25v kit at 6000 CL30 1.3v on a 12100F and Z690 Unify-X with the stock 0.97 SA voltage. Don't know much about the voltages so here's a pic i.imgur.com/UXSO7aU.png
@@FireBarrels Are you sure it's actually stable? I thought i got my 64 GB 5600CL30 kit to 6000CL30 stable but Prime95 Large FFTs failed in 10 minutes. I think my memory can handle it but my 12900K IMC can't, so I dropped it to 5600CL28 which is 100% stable, has been for months.
@@rayw8252 It passed running memtest86 overnight and I have not had issues with it. Will see what prime95 does to it. I also have a 80mm fan blowing through the ram sticks which lowered the temps when gaming from ~48°c to ~35°c. Not sure if that makes it more stable at those temperatures but Buildzoid does put a fan on his ram to make it more stable when overclocking at 1.4v+
@@FireBarrels mine passed overnight memtest86 as well, and also testmem5 but failed in prime large fft specifically within 10 minutes, and another time within 30
I'm not a whale bit I got the same kit in black. I wanted decent RAM 64GB with only 2 DIMMs. Hope was to be able to go to 128GB down the road. Using 7950x on Gigabyte Auros x670 Elite AX.
Did you say it makes a difference if you populate 2 vs 4 slots of RAM? I feel like you glossed over that.. Would it depend on the individual motherboard, like it did with DDR4?
There's a buildzoid video somewhere that talks about it, but in essence the 2 DIMM boards have better electrical signalling and can achieve higher frequencies and lower timings without as much trouble
Super interesting video thank you for that. Just one question, why are you so sure about the new ryzens not running above +6600? the fabrick will run anyway in 2:1 mode like you explained some videos before, or? So I would assume if you hit 8000 mhz it should be same than 1:1 DDR4 4000 from just stress level perspective of the controller? Maybe you can give some background information here ? keep up the good work!
He can't give background info, because he is wrong and doesn't understand how the new FCLK:UCLK:MCLK relation works. Give him time to go read about it from smarter people and then barf an opinion about it at you.
What about the sub timings between the two different sets of memory that could create the difference maybe the sub timings are tighter on the dual rank and the single rank sub timings like same group read write is loose
Calling the separately-accessed groups of 4 chips on DDR5 "ranks" is misleading. They're subchannels, not ranks. A module with 2 single-rank subchannels is still single-rank, just the same as if you use two single-rank memory modules in different channels it's still single-rank (though it's dual-rank if you use them in the same channel).
So after 7800X3D came out this week would you still recommend that dual rank kit or would you simply go with some single rank a die ? Price came down a lot in my country
The MSI meg x570s unify x max board says it can do up to 5800mh ram oc in single rank. What would happen if the infinity fabric was broken that much? Could it beat 4000cl14?
I have 4 16gb Trident Z DDR5 6400mhz for a total of 64gb. I think I messed up. The framerates in my games are not as high as they should be. MSI RTX 4090, 7900X and X670E board. Should I get 2 sticks instead?
No! 1 stick will only give you single channel which is bad, Your performance i cut in half with single channel compared to dual channel. I hope you understood :)
@@StubbySum9 So no the same bandwidth? Dual channel will double the bandwidth because it doubles the bit-bus from 64 to 128 bit if I remember correctly. What effect does have dual rank in the bandwidth then? I thought it would increase the bandwidth as well ?
Dual-channel has better performance than one dual rank dimm, but one dual rank generally performs better than one single rank. Saying that a dual rank equals dual-channel or that dual-channel is twice as good as dual rank with one dimm are both incorrect, unless DDR5 changes something dramatically. Also memory subtimings affect performance and usually single-rank sticks clock higher/have lower latency, where dual ranks have higher bandwidths. Also one thing to considee is, how well different memory controllers in different cpus (Intel, AMD) can handle different types of sticks. There are many variables. I would rather have dual channel than dual rank. If tighter timings of single rank dimms or wider bandwidth of dual ranks offer better performance, depends on software used (different game engines, different productivity softwares aso).
@@TechTusiast this is when things get tricky then. One 16 GB dual rank vs two 8 GB single rank in single channel will perform the exact same in terms of bandwidth? that's what I understood from this video at the beginning. But I don't get why dual rank gets higher bandwidth if both dual and single rank have the same clock and the same bit bus.
@@jimdshea Ok, that clarify things for me. So in theory single rank and dual rank at the same clock should perform the same, but in reality certain data flows take some advantage from this "split" bit bus. that dual rank has???
Dear FC :) How to you get so low latency?? I run DDR5 6000 at 6600 36-36-36-72 with tight secondary and tetary timings. I have 56 ns latency Aida and this is in safe mode for best result!??!?! What the magic key?
Go ddr4, i have buy ddr5 because motherboard with Thunderbolt are ddr5 only and i hit my head trying to tune my ram and if you not gonna use 16c go 12700k or wait for 13700k
I would wait for the 4090 to launch and the 7950x to launch then I would build a computer, they're launching this month. The 4090 should be launching this month or early next month
You linked intel optimized memory for amd intentions. Now that amd optimized sticks are out for zen4 you should change the links. St least in my internet opinion.
im in that in-between zone i guess where no upgrade makes much sense, be it total cheapo or something higher up, i7 6700 non k here with gtx1080, 2x8c10 early hynix die monitor 1440@155hz, not playing much but if it is online multi fps more on the tactical side, not the big map walking simulator ones, so i guess thats more towards latency than bandwidth but still not even so much important regarding ram, its not esports nor big map/world, so my current ram would limit both zen3 and alder i would need to buy something new regardless, but yeah nothing makes sense from perf/buck perspective
what about 6400 cl32 or 6600 cl32 (like CMT32GX5M2X6600C32)? sorry but 6000 is a Mega Transfer (not Mega Hz) like in DDR4? "if you dont have a 2dimm motherboard you dont but ddr5" what do you mean?
I’m looking at getting 2x32gb 64gb ddr5 for my gaming/productivity pc which ram/speed would you recommend for out of the box xmp? Z790 Hero motherboard
so I wanna build an ITX build soon with 13700K, which would be the best itx motherboard to buy? and which DDR5 kit I would be good? (2x 16GB) any advice?
There's an appreciation for this channel that no mainstream tech tuber can get. Because while those guys will show a few graphs of results and then spoon-feed their audience what to believe, you are explaining the technical details of how stuff works and then have people draw their own conclusion. I don't even care about DDR5 yet and won't for many more years until it's actually time to upgrade, but this is interesting to watch regardless. Even with MS paint and notepad things can be illustrated perfectly.
OMG INSTANT CLASSIC INTRO
Just for the record. It was more than 6 months six your last dual rank video. I guess it's a perfect time for a fresh one!
You definitely loved making this intro with these grins.
Dual rank DDR4 experiences the same behaviour as Dual rank does in DDR5, in fact a bigger gap than in DDR5, as it is only 2x64 bit controller instead of 4X32 bit controller, which masks latencies better.
Dude keep it up, rlly like your style and tests 👍
You know he's Canadian when he says "costed me"
I enjoy you approaching the tuning based on competitive games and appreciate the best choices you suggest! Thanks man! Kinda new to your channel
this channel is vastly underrated
I found your channel a little while ago and I have to give you props on the unique, specific kinds of tests you run. Very interesting and in line with the criteria I'd be asking
thanks
This guy was born to do this. Ty bro. Subscribed 👍
Dude, the eyebrow raise!! Omg this made my day thanks Jufes! I'm so glad you got the wig, hilarious my guy
The problem is that cheaper 6 layer intel z690 4 ram slot boards handle dual rank modules worse than single tank, you cannot expect single and dual ram sticks to hit the same max frequency. Interesting to see how z790 will handle this.
is the z690 asus prime p d4 in that list?
@@zlibz4582 I have that board and I seem to max out at 3800 dual rank, could also be my 12700k sucks though..
Darn, from one side I did not expect that much difference difference between DDR4 and DDR5, from the other, the difference feels pretty negligible! :D
Thanks for the video!
O man... if only those * DOUBLE YOUR RAM * guys knew you can just paste another stick of it in MS Paint.
As a long time follower who has been on 6800c30 @ 50ns for almost a year Im glad to see you giving it it's due.
How to you get so low latency?? I run DDR5 6000 at 6600 36-36-36-72 with tight secondary and tetary timings. I have 56 ns latency Aida and this is in safe mode for best result!??!?! What the magic key? And how can his forth timming be 28??????????? 30-38-38-!28!
@@lassekristensen385 Currently Im getting 49ns, But Im running my 6400c32 kit @ 7200c32 on a z690 Unify-X motherboard (2 slot mobo does better than 4). It has to do with the ram. I bet you have Samsung, and with Samsung ram thats really good (your scores). Micron M-Die is what Im running and Im at it's limits, then there is Micron A-die that will hit 7800c36. Crazy stuff. But the M-Die at CL32 either 6800-7200 is kinda the low latency sweet spot. And also, 13700k is 3 or 4ns lower than 13900k, too, bc the ring is shorter with 16 cores than with 24, so lower RTL.
@@CrackaSlapYa Interesting read, yes you are right.. I have Samsung B die. Right now im running them at 6600 instead of stock 6000. At 36-36-36-96. So I can see that C32 7000 would give the missing ns. :) I am pretty impressed on how they can handle heat! In my 10900K I also had same G Skill Trident Z and when they got to 65c they began to be unhappy! These without I noticed many times at 74c to almost 80c with no errors in OCCT! :) pretty sick haha .. This happens when I forgot to turn fans up to max when stress testing haha. I tried 32-32-32-86 but was not able to get it 100% stable even at 6000. But I used same secondary etc. so maybe they werent fit for that speed. I will look into this again later. And last whats your voltage for those speeds? Are you setting VDD and VDDQ the same? I am, dont know if its correct.
I am running 6800 28/39/36/28 Hynix M-Die with 13700k at 4.9Ghz RIng on ROG z690-F 4 Dimmer which only goes up to 6600 officially. Run Limpack and Y-Cruncher at 1.53v VDD and 1.5v VDDQ with crazy low secondary and teritiary timings and yet i also get 50ns constantly. Without crazy secondary/tertiary timings i get 55ns. At this point i am pretty shure the "cheap" asus z-series motherboard is the reason for that. Read at around 109000 Gbs and Write at 106000 Gbs seems pretty good otherwise. But i have seen many get lower latency.
Fuck Yeah "Please have my Babies" ... probably someone in the chat... On fucking point with topics the horde public want to see!
LOKTAR OGAR!
@@turbobros_online1561 Time is money friend
Big fan from Canada, PLEASE test Modern Warfare 2 beta with DDR4/5 on Intel and AMD from September 22 to 26. Based on what we saw at the Warzone 2 reveal yesterday the framerates never went above 150 fps in WZ2 on the machines provided by Activision.
I'm actually glad memory isn't a big factor in most single-player games, because they're the only type of games I play.
Tons of single rank 16gb ddr4 modules in the market now. Even a lot of 32gb kits that used to be guaranteed dual rank are now single rank without a part number change. Really annoying.
All 2x16GB Bdie kits will be dual dank
Aweshome ass video especially that hair flip lol no bs just straight to the point still happy with my ddr4 10900k build to the max
Wow amazing intro bud. Laughed my ass off.
LOL Jufes, your intros and thumbnails are so funny :)
Let me tell you my experience from the OC competitive world, i discovered the same but with DDR4 using 16GB sticks, some benchmarks, specially Intel XTU v1 scores more than faster single rank DDR4 8GB modules, i showed this to some friends and results were the same. Sometimes you can get some pretty good info and proof that can apply to the gaming world from those benchmarks, for that reason, i told you on my previous message on your other video that i apply all that i learn from the OC world to the gaming world.
All the Best, Sergio!
LMAOOO dude I love ur videos man. 13:09 literally describes the ambience of the entire point of the video
DUDE!!! You totally need some cheezy lifetime music for that slow motion head move.
dude i dont even care about the ddr5 non sense the intros are on point and worthy of an oscar with the upgraded wardrobe 😂
This is my favorite intro! Favorite 🤩
Omg he touched a stick of ddr5, he will get sick for sure 😂😂😂😂😂
Lol that intro 😅😂🤣 I knew fabio had short hair hahaha
Roughly 5:05 to 5:22 earned you a sub :D
I don't mean "earn" in a backhanded way, respect man!
Chris and Paul were right your intros are the best 👌
Most underrated tech TH-cam
How did you get Steve from gamers nexus to do your intro?😂
If I want 64gb, does it matter if I go 2x32 or 4x16? Using gskill z neo expo 6000 kit
I have the same question on my mind
Well well well who is this beauty :^) loved the intro
Great review!
These intros become more and more iconic
I love when people on reddit try to argue with me about DDR5 not knowing I did a full manual timings tune (50.2ns). They always delete the thread soon as I shut them down with facts.
The only reason I consider to buy a 13600k/7700x3D is to have 144fps locked in every game. I care way more about the GPU, but I don't want any bottleneck from cpu.
Sorry but you can buy the fastest hardware out there and you're still not going to get 144 FPS minimums in every game.
@@robertsharp6072 with an rtx 4080 and the next best gaming cpu???? why are people buying 300hz screens then. I want to buy red dead redemption 2 everything maxxed out at 1440p, next gta, next battlefield... otherwise I can stay in 1080p
@@terminator9099 Yes. It is not going to happen even with 4090. When better graphics will come to cosumers, 144fps min at 1440p max settings will not be possible. But with few video settings adjusments 200 can be minimum for most stuff.
@@MariusVerbavicius well we will see
@@terminator9099 We already know next gen games are gonna be more demanding. Learn how tech works buddy. 144 FPS minimum is a pipe dream, you will then need 5090 for next gen games to achieve that.
You are going to be huge, keep going brother ! They way u explain things are also quite helpful I sincerely mean it
Thank you highly appreciate this comment!
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You're talking about Zen 4 but all of your screenshots show a 12900k. Maybe you mentioned something about that in the video and I didn't catch it. Are the timings the same on the two sets of memory that are the same speed? Could timing differences maybe be part of why the duel rank performed better? I'm sure duel rank does help a bit but 8% seems like a bit much.
What subtimings do these two Kits use? 30-38-38-28 are the primary timings but some of the subtimings have a lot more affect on the memory performance
Unless they manually validated, the motherboards usually do whatever they feel like for secondary. You'll just need to follow some guides with the arithmetic required to set them in accordance to each other.
@@skorpers Yeah thats correct. But your subtimings will change if you use (for example) XMP. And most of the time they get worse. And you can boost your primary timings to the absolute max and still be slower than somebody that works on his subtimings. Check out this vid and all his Ram Guides for a lot more information. It is really good guide (watch?v=pgb8N23tsfA)
@@svenhoff2653 Hm? That's what I suggested but thanks for the link, I will watch it.
Hello, I love your videos, you are always factual and concrete, thank you again. However, I have a question. I just changed my Intel system to AMD, 7800X3D, I had 64GB DDR5, 4x16, XMP on my old motherboard, and I used them on my new X670e. I had heard that AM5 did not support 4 dual DDR5 strips, but apparently it works perfectly in DOCP1, but what I don't know is if I lose or gain performance?! I used 64GB because for some games like Stars Citizen you may need 30GB. Should I stay with 4x16, or buy 2x32? Thanks for your reply.
You said dual rank was 2 ranks on one side and that is DDR5. But then you were testing single rank against dual rank. Were you comparing DDR4 to DDR5? Or did you mean quad rank sticks vs dual rank sticks ?
On hearing "journalistic integrity", subscribed at once.
Intro was funny as brother.
Intro was so funny!
Do you think Warzone 2 will perform similar to Warzone, or even better ? Or do you think the new IW 9 Engine will be even worse in performance and we need better hardware ? Currently Warzone is on a CPU Limit with an High End GPU (3090, oc rx6900xtxh/6950)
I bought my PC with a non k i7 12700 with Crucial Ballistix 3200@C16 and i managed to bump it up to 3600@c14. GPU is a rx6900xtxh, when i found your channel i watched almost every video and i cant even tell how many times ive run the train trail in caldera xD.
Currently im getting 212 fps on average (150 1%) in Caldera and 215-220avg in Rebirth with 160-170 1% lows. (I only play rebirth anyway)
My GPU usage is about 80% on both maps, in 1080p its 60% so i get no more fps if i lower my resolution.
Right now im doing very well with this setup and if I cap my FPS in caldera to 200 with RTSS, or 210 in Rebirth, my 1% lows are almost the same as the average FPS, TrueGameData did a test and it even reduces the input lag if he caps the FPS. Monitor is a G7. Do u think its worth to upgrade to a 5800x3d for now and for Warzone 2, because as soon as a CPU can give me 250< FPS i could cap it to 240, my 1% lows would be almost the same and ive maxed out my G7, but currently my CPU / DDR4 setup is not strong enough to give more than 210/220 (caldera/rebirth) on average.
My goal is OVER 240fps on average (GPU is only @80% in 1440p), so that I cap them to 240 to get almost the same 1% lows as the average 240fps and ive maxed out the G7. I know its almost impossible to tell the difference between 240fps and 210fps, but just that i know ive maxed out everything @ 1440p im happy.
you always teaching me new shit
Cost. It cost you. It didn't "costed" you.
Test DDR5 3600 MHz (4 slots) versus DDR5 6000 MHz (2 slots)
Wow! Finally someone explains why ddr5 is claimed to be faster....and by extension why the DIMMs can have more capacity. (Okay, so it happened 1 year ago, but I just found it. so....)
We love u bro 💜
The performance increase is negligible that it's not worth forgoing a capacity of 128gb of ram.
Sorry the 10% increase at most means nothing in comparison to having double the amount of ram.
And having more ram means nothing compared to 10% more fps when you're gaming, which is the whole point of this channel
@@Remzly Wrong, having 128gb of ram allows you to have many more programs running in the background like other games.
Your 64gb computer is inferior to a 128gb computer.
You're like on of those idiots who thinks way back in the day that the who thought the 7700k was better than the 6950x extreme processor from intel.
Gaming is not just about sheer speed.
The 6950x while being a bit slower is significantly more useful as it has 10 cores compared to a measly 4 core 8 thread processor.
Get out of here with your peasantry 64gb ram nonsense.
Instantly liked after the hair whip
Priceless
Whats going on with BCLK at 7:55 vs 8:05? Dual rank setup is showing a 2% OC (ik both are at 102) Just thought it was relevant since aidia numbers break with BCLK OC
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Interesting finding.
How much higher is the SA Voltage/CPU MC VDD/TX VDDQ needed to clock the Dual-rank sticks compared to Single-rank stick at same frequency (e.g 6000MT/s) ?
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Cobain 1x32gb vs 2x16gb vs 4x8gb ddr5 di frek/timing yg sama dong, mana yg lebih kenceng (abaikan rank) di platform intel tentunya, AM5 kabarnya ga suport speed tinggi pake 4 keping ram. 🙏
I'm running a 64GB gskill 5600Mhz CL30 1.25v kit at 6000 CL30 1.3v on a 12100F and Z690 Unify-X with the stock 0.97 SA voltage. Don't know much about the voltages so here's a pic i.imgur.com/UXSO7aU.png
@@FireBarrels Are you sure it's actually stable? I thought i got my 64 GB 5600CL30 kit to 6000CL30 stable but Prime95 Large FFTs failed in 10 minutes. I think my memory can handle it but my 12900K IMC can't, so I dropped it to 5600CL28 which is 100% stable, has been for months.
@@rayw8252 It passed running memtest86 overnight and I have not had issues with it. Will see what prime95 does to it. I also have a 80mm fan blowing through the ram sticks which lowered the temps when gaming from ~48°c to ~35°c. Not sure if that makes it more stable at those temperatures but Buildzoid does put a fan on his ram to make it more stable when overclocking at 1.4v+
@@FireBarrels mine passed overnight memtest86 as well, and also testmem5 but failed in prime large fft specifically within 10 minutes, and another time within 30
I'm not a whale bit I got the same kit in black. I wanted decent RAM 64GB with only 2 DIMMs. Hope was to be able to go to 128GB down the road. Using 7950x on Gigabyte Auros x670 Elite AX.
Couldn't Dual Ranks also be consider 1 DDR4 stick with memory modules on both sides? 🤔
Did you say it makes a difference if you populate 2 vs 4 slots of RAM? I feel like you glossed over that.. Would it depend on the individual motherboard, like it did with DDR4?
There's a buildzoid video somewhere that talks about it, but in essence the 2 DIMM boards have better electrical signalling and can achieve higher frequencies and lower timings without as much trouble
Super interesting video thank you for that. Just one question, why are you so sure about the new ryzens not running above +6600? the fabrick will run anyway in 2:1 mode like you explained some videos before, or? So I would assume if you hit 8000 mhz it should be same than 1:1 DDR4 4000 from just stress level perspective of the controller? Maybe you can give some background information here ? keep up the good work!
He can't give background info, because he is wrong and doesn't understand how the new FCLK:UCLK:MCLK relation works. Give him time to go read about it from smarter people and then barf an opinion about it at you.
It's from the horses mouth. AMD have said the "sweet spot" for Zen4 is 6000 based on cost, stability, performance, availability, and ease.
@TH-cam Account It's pretty overpriced, I'll give you that.
@TH-cam Account Isn't it microcenter who is doing that?
Wow, learning you put down your own money over $1,000, I decided to watch all the ads in full length in this video to help you make some $$$. 😄
What about the sub timings between the two different sets of memory that could create the difference maybe the sub timings are tighter on the dual rank and the single rank sub timings like same group read write is loose
Good info. This costed me about 19 minutes.
Can we have an updated video for zen4?
I get 39ns with DDR4 4400 CL16. OC 10900K to 5.2Ghz and 4.9 Ring. I'm chillin.
Calling the separately-accessed groups of 4 chips on DDR5 "ranks" is misleading.
They're subchannels, not ranks.
A module with 2 single-rank subchannels is still single-rank, just the same as if you use two single-rank memory modules in different channels it's still single-rank (though it's dual-rank if you use them in the same channel).
hynix A die can do 41n or 42n
Most people only care about DDR4 right now. 5800X3D sales are dwarfing everything else.
Me watching this pretending i know what hes talking about at all
So after 7800X3D came out this week would you still recommend that dual rank kit or would you simply go with some single rank a die ? Price came down a lot in my country
Why does your motherboard only have to have two memory slots?
Drop soc voltage by 0.5 ?? What were you running at, 1.8V ?
hahahahaha i freakin love your videos and your skits lmao hahahaha hilarious lol
the only bro that benchmarks COD. the only game that matters
When did the RHCP dude start reviewing ram?
The MSI meg x570s unify x max board says it can do up to 5800mh ram oc in single rank. What would happen if the infinity fabric was broken that much? Could it beat 4000cl14?
I have 4 16gb Trident Z DDR5 6400mhz for a total of 64gb. I think I messed up. The framerates in my games are not as high as they should be. MSI RTX 4090, 7900X and X670E board. Should I get 2 sticks instead?
I think its probably just immature firmware. Will probably get sorted out
Do you think it's worth to use 4 sticks of lower capacity memory or to buy 2 stick of something better and upgrade later?
This question is for an art PC so lots of blender rendering would I be giving up memory overclocking stability from using 256gb or 128gb of ram
Question: A single stick 16 GB dual rank DDR4 4000MHz will have the same bandwidth as two sticks of 8 GB single rank DDR4 4000 MHz in dual channel?
No! 1 stick will only give you single channel which is bad,
Your performance i cut in half with single channel compared to dual channel. I hope you understood :)
@@StubbySum9 So no the same bandwidth? Dual channel will double the bandwidth because it doubles the bit-bus from 64 to 128 bit if I remember correctly. What effect does have dual rank in the bandwidth then? I thought it would increase the bandwidth as well ?
Dual-channel has better performance than one dual rank dimm, but one dual rank generally performs better than one single rank. Saying that a dual rank equals dual-channel or that dual-channel is twice as good as dual rank with one dimm are both incorrect, unless DDR5 changes something dramatically. Also memory subtimings affect performance and usually single-rank sticks clock higher/have lower latency, where dual ranks have higher bandwidths. Also one thing to considee is, how well different memory controllers in different cpus (Intel, AMD) can handle different types of sticks. There are many variables. I would rather have dual channel than dual rank. If tighter timings of single rank dimms or wider bandwidth of dual ranks offer better performance, depends on software used (different game engines, different productivity softwares aso).
@@TechTusiast this is when things get tricky then. One 16 GB dual rank vs two 8 GB single rank in single channel will perform the exact same in terms of bandwidth? that's what I understood from this video at the beginning. But I don't get why dual rank gets higher bandwidth if both dual and single rank have the same clock and the same bit bus.
@@jimdshea Ok, that clarify things for me. So in theory single rank and dual rank at the same clock should perform the same, but in reality certain data flows take some advantage from this "split" bit bus. that dual rank has???
2x32gb DDR5-6000 Cl30 here and I noticed I get higher fps than my friend with my 7950x3d
Dear FC :) How to you get so low latency?? I run DDR5 6000 at 6600 36-36-36-72 with tight secondary and tetary timings. I have 56 ns latency Aida and this is in safe mode for best result!??!?! What the magic key?
Aren't most 16GB or larger DDR4 sticks dual rank? Mine are (Trident Z)
😆 🤣 😂 😹 fucking great intro dude. Holy shit!
Im planning on upgrading this weekend, what should I get? I have a 3090ti and was thinking about going for a 12900k
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Go ddr4, i have buy ddr5 because motherboard with Thunderbolt are ddr5 only and i hit my head trying to tune my ram and if you not gonna use 16c go 12700k or wait for 13700k
@@zet7914 the Asus strix Z690 -A ddr4 has a TB ad on card capable.
@@griffenxzable yes but you need a asus Thunderbolt pcie card, i want a motherboard with direct Thunderbolt
I would wait for the 4090 to launch and the 7950x to launch then I would build a computer, they're launching this month. The 4090 should be launching this month or early next month
will getting 4 of these 16GB get me dual Rank Configuration with full stability on Z790 board @ 6000mt/s?
I have 4 sticks of the expensive memory.
I even forgot how much I paid for it.
You linked intel optimized memory for amd intentions. Now that amd optimized sticks are out for zen4 you should change the links. St least in my internet opinion.
Hmm can you test it on like cine bench?
I'm wondering if it'll make a difference for rendering
im in that in-between zone i guess where no upgrade makes much sense, be it total cheapo or something higher up, i7 6700 non k here with gtx1080, 2x8c10 early hynix die monitor 1440@155hz, not playing much but if it is online multi fps more on the tactical side, not the big map walking simulator ones, so i guess thats more towards latency than bandwidth but still not even so much important regarding ram, its not esports nor big map/world, so my current ram would limit both zen3 and alder i would need to buy something new regardless, but yeah nothing makes sense from perf/buck perspective
what about 6400 cl32 or 6600 cl32 (like CMT32GX5M2X6600C32)?
sorry but 6000 is a Mega Transfer (not Mega Hz) like in DDR4?
"if you dont have a 2dimm motherboard you dont but ddr5" what do you mean?
I’m looking at getting 2x32gb 64gb ddr5 for my gaming/productivity pc which ram/speed would you recommend for out of the box xmp? Z790 Hero motherboard
so I wanna build an ITX build soon with 13700K, which would be the best itx motherboard to buy? and which DDR5 kit I would be good? (2x 16GB)
any advice?
This video made me firm
So @framechasers if am big on esport games (warzone) my best bet when upgrading to i9-1300k would be stick with my viper 4400 ddr4 sticks?
No? Go buy a V-cache CPU like 5800x3d
@@maou5025 why is this? I'm not familiar, but is this so that you have no choke at the memory controller?
Can you put the link to the corsair kit you used in the desc too pretty plz :)
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