Great Video! One thing I loved in Fallen Order was the chit-chat between Stormtroopers, in Survivor they've dialled it up to 11. It feels so rewarding waiting on the conversation to finish but it keeps going to a hilarious conclusion. It's like real people and droids going about their business before I brutally dismember them with immense, unfathomable power.
The battledroids have some of the best one liners when you force them around. I enjoy pulling them to me, then YEET them off a ledge to their death. Some of my favorites so far have been: "This isn't right!" "Hello!" *gets thrown* "Wait NOOOOO!" "Help! HEEEEELP!" *gets thrown* "You scum!" "What... What is thiiiis?!" There's also a pretty rare animation where sometimes when a droid tries to throw a grenade at you, but starts to drop it, ends up juggling it then catches it just before it explodes and looks right at you before it gets blown up. This game is pure gold.
One thing i want to point out, dagans motive IS fleshed out. He discovered a safe haven of a planet that couldve been huge for the jedi order, he rallied to get it to the counsil to decide on the fate of the planet, theyre attacked and rather than fight for what dagan worked so hard for they abandon it. Dagan decides to go to tanalorr alone and the person he trusted most CUTS HIS ARM OFF AND LOCKS HIM IN A TANK. The next time he wakes up everything he knew is gone, the last thing he experienced was his dream being crushed and being attacked by his friend now the order is gone and the sith are jn power and he wasnt there to do anything. His frustration turned him and the only thing he has left is that small hope of tanalorr, he has nothing left to lose.
He's still boring, though. Fallen Order had much cooler villains. Dagan and Rayvis feel like random side characters, not proper antagonists. Neither of them even has a real conflict with Cal. Cal just stumbles into them and the conflict feels extremely forced. Dagan's hostility towards Cal doesn't even make sense. Why tf would he blame some random Jedi for the things other people did 200 years ago? It's dumb. As far as Dagan knew, Cal saved him and could be a useful ally. And Rayvis is just Dagan's sidekick basically. His conflict with Cal is even more forced.
@@CinematicSeriesGaming I can see your point, but I’m sure if you give the High Republic comics a try, it might peak your interest more into Dagan and the Jedi Order of the High Republic era. May not be as iconic as the Old Republic, but the comics do a solid job showing how the Jedi Order flourished during the high republic, with pretty much all the Jedi rocking white and gold and the lightsaber designs in the comics are also very nice, contrasting their clothing style 👍👍
@@BraydenMartin-r7u Their design is fine. I just find their stories boring and not engaging. I don't think that a blockbuster piece of media like a movie or a triple-A videogame should ever rely on supplementary material like a book or a comic to tell an interesting story. If Jedi Survivor wanted to tell an interesting story about Dagan, that's great. Should have made Dagan an interesting antagonist then! Show more of him! Make his motivations understandable and interesting. Create a conflict that feels natural, not forced. I finished the game and found almost all optional force echoes and I'm still not sure what Dagan wanted to accomplish, why he was so hostile towards Cal and how exactly he was going to fight the Empire. This dude woke up from a 200-year-long coma and decided to immediately turn to the dark side, fight the person who saved him and build some secret evil academy on Tanalorr to fight the Empire. Why? He doesn't even know anything about the Empire yet. For all he knows, he could like the Empire cuz it destroyed the Jedi Order that mistreated him.
@@CinematicSeriesGaming he quite literally does NOT blame cal and the only problem he has with cal is that cal keeps shoving himself infront of dagan so dagan fights him. He frustrated in general and has a bad taste in his mouth from the jedi order as a whole so when cal keeps getting in his way talking jedi blah blah blah, yeah hes annoyed by it
that planet alone has like 6 sectioned off areas with 4 of those being different biomes. If they did more planets you would have just seen those different biomes in other places but all the exact same size they were. Jedah wasn't that big. Neither was the secret empire base or Coruscant. It was done so they could connect more areas to the hub town. I just wish the hub town itself had more to it than just the bar and some houses.
Yeah I was really surprised to see even less planets then before and Koboh wasn’t really that interesting. Coruscant looked awesome, wish we had some Nar Shaddah or some plante like that
For me, there’s a lot to love with this game and I feel that Cal’s growth felt genuine and organic but if I had to choose 1 thing that I loved the most would have to be Cal’s dark side moments. They were executed well and I couldnt help but feel the same as him. Aside from a buggy release, respawn made a great Star Wars game imo
28:46 You can still grab the flying imperial droid or hack it with BD-1 you just need to hold your pull longer than in Fallen Order. I never had a problem with Cal's force meter, it fills up pretty fast too. Grabbing one of the flying droids and using it to throw at the enemies was never really an issue.
I LOVE not having to level up, having new skills added is so much better. I hate getting to a boss, killing him with 2 hits or needing to hit him 1000 times.
just so everyone's aware, theres a novel going into detail on what happened between fallen order and survivor. It's called Star Wars Jedi: Battle Scars and it goes into detail on the smaller details left out of survivor such as how greez lost his arm. So if you're like me and you needed that little bit more of the lore go pick it up!
On the Xbox x it runs pretty well. There’s occasionally a bit of frame drop and sometimes it takes 10 seconds to load when trying to go through the door at pyloons. It was pretty easy to figure out which stances are the best but not having enough skill points to up the trees for all the stances is making the saber strikes redundant visually. Respecing just to see some new moves is a little tedious.
In the book it mentions that there is some hints at the group slowly drifting apart from eachother and also one of the reasons could be how cal wouldn't get over the fact greez arm got cut off by the fifth brother when greez jumped in the way to defend cal during a fight cal was having between the inquisitor in which makes cal blame himself
Seven "fully explorable" planets in Fallen Order? Did we play the same game? That's one thing I hate when people say because every planet in Fallen Order was absolutely not "fully explorable". Each planet in Fallen Order had specific linear objectives to reach. Let's not act like a single one of them was actually open world.
My favorite part of this game wasn't even gameplay-related. It was seeing all the High Republic iconography and architecture come to life. As a massive fan of the HR books/comics, it's really cool seeing this era off the page and I'm definitely excited for The Acolyte doing it in live-action next year.
This year is so incredibely strong, and we are still in May. Dead Space Remake. Hogwarts, Jedi, RE4 Remake, ToTK, Wo Long, Atomic Heart... Honestly, been having such a blast since probably like 2017 that was of this calibre.
@@denisruskin348 I'm 21. But Hogwarts is mid af, tears of the kingdom is a glorified dlc of an already basic game, and atomic heart is yet another bioshock clone.
34:30 You can actually cancel ur attack in jedi survivor, but only with the dual wield. This is why dual wield is actually the best stance for boss fight, if u pressed attack but the boss coming with an unblockable, dual wield can dodge away, or just block it if it is not unblockable.
I played the first and the second one back to back and there is just something about the first game that feels bigger with the worlds involved, all the planets had a deep history we could see, I feel like compared to the first game these new planets don’t live up
@@theelectricprince8231I know you commented this forever ago but Jedha is not young at all and literally had an ancient Jedi temple and had that history already mentioned in Rogue One
There is a mod that lets you use 5 stances at any time and it's not "overwhelming" at all. It makes combat 10 times more fun and it makes progression more meaningful because you never feel like you're investing points into a stance you never use. There is nothing more satisfying than skillfully alternating between different stances during a boss fight. I think limiting active stances to two was a massive design mistake by Respawn. It makes no sense and it creates a few different problems: 1. It makes the combat less varied than it could be, which is a massive problem when each stance has only a couple special moves and no real "combos" to speak of. This limitation is probably the reason why we don't have any cool transition moves like we did in Fallen Order. If we could have all 5 stances equipped, I bet there would be some bada$$ combos that make Cal swap stances mid-attack. 2. It ensures all stances are kind of generic and lack depth. A system like in Ghost of Tsushima where you have to adjust your stance to counter a specific enemy would be much better. Notice that there are basically no enemies that require a specific stance to defeat. Sure, it's easier to kill a probe droid by rapidly deflecting bolts with a double-bladed saber, but you can do that with a single blade too, albeit not as fast. 3. It ruins the progression system. Every single time you invest a skill point in a stance that's not your main, it feels like you're wasting a point. Why? Because your acquired skills are useless when you can't use them! Having all 5 stances available makes the progression system more rewarding and more interesting. 4. It ties the hands of the developers and prohibits them from incorporating stances into traversal or puzzles. Think about it. Cal has a blaster and it could be a fantastic tool used for a lot of creative puzzle sections or traversal abilities. You could shoot buttons and consoles from afar, you could blow up explosive tanks to unlock new paths, you could shoot pieces of environment to make them fall on enemies' heads. So much potential! But because the player is limited to just 2 stances and CAN NOT HAVE THE BLASTER EQUIPPED AT ANY GIVEN MOMENT, the blaster just can't be used in a creative way like this. Instead it's just an alternative combat method that feels superfluous at times. Imagine how dumb God of War would be if you could equip only one weapon at a time: Blades of Chaos OR the Leviathan Axe. It would completely ruin the sense of progression and the fantasy of getting stronger. This is exactly how Jedi Survivor feels. I get a cool new crossguard stance or a blaster stance but suddenly I can't use the regular blade, the staff stance or the cool dual stance and all my skills acquired until this point become useless. WHY? It's dumb and it makes no sense.
Dagan's motive is fleshed out, as another commented noted. The Force meter actually makes sense both gameplay wise and lore wise. Most of Cal's special attacks would be impossible to do if he wasn't a Force user, and by forcing the player to mix normal attacks that fill the Force meter and special attacks that drain it you ensure each battle is won with skill and not spamming special attacks. Afterall, special attacks are far more important in combat than Force powers themselves. Afterall, using the Force for lethal combat is much more taxing for the user than non combat related uses. The only complaint I had was with the toggle pull option, as it didn't really seem to do what it was intended for, both in traversal and combat related usage. I did actually spend a lot of time exploring areas and getting skill points, not completing everything though, until after Dagan's death when the story was too compelling for me to stop, without ever freefarming. I ended up with enough skillpoints to max out the Force and Health trees and 4/5 stance trees, while frequently switching around the single, double, dual and blaster stances. I was more than satisfied with the stance options by the end of the game. I don't know if you skipped out on exploration completely but you should've disclosed that before saying that you ended up with half the necessary skillpoints to complete all the trees. The thing about the probe droids is that they're designed to be annoying, possibly more than other enemies with ranged attacks. But, if you actually spend skillpoints upgrading Force pull you have a lot more options, even using probe droids as throwable explosives. And there is also an upgrade to slice them, like in Fallen Order. This is why you should explore around and not critique a game if you simply speedrun it's story. The reason you can't use all 5 stances at a time is because it would be too complicated to change them on a controller. And even so, each stance is unique and you can't expect each stance to have the same attack on the same button. While I don't necessarily agree with the dual wield's defensive attack as a design choice, I can't agree with you in saying that switching stances punishes you. Note that with Survivor's 5 new stances, 5 switching attacks would be nowhere near enough for the game, as each stance needs a switch attack for 4 other stances, making up for (I think) 20 different switching attacks. If I was a dev, I'd rather you back up and swich stances.
I am one of the lucky few who had the game run perfectly for me from the start. So for me the only thing it needed was something like a boss rush or the arena thing from Fallen Order after the main story is complete. Cause the boss fights were the best part of the game
"I think Trilla is the best villain in any Star Wars game." **Kreia: Influence lost intensifies** XD Great review my dude. It's like this is how all reviews should be made or something instead of being rushed out a week before release and most of them can't even finish the game.
To me this is still my GOTY. Even though the game should’ve been kept in the oven longer and it’s fluttered with game breaking bugs it’s still an amazing game. The story and gameplay are something we’ve always dreamed about as Star Wars fans. It’s a love letter. Respawn has ignited my love for Star Wars again, which is something Disney just couldn’t do. Plus Cal, and the rest of the main characters feel like Star Wars if that makes any sense. ❤️
To me, it's contrast. It provides an interesting journey and I thoroughly enjoy the story as a Star Wars fan. But there are some many things could be more and this game is just not reaching that height. It could have 1-2 years more of development and providing us in depth combat, exploration and more, rather than few linears planets, 1 medium planet of Jedha with limited exploration, and Koboh with above medium size. There is no surprise when I explore these planets, go there, do x y z, backtracking when I unlock new abilities to go throuh the barrier, etc. Imagine a game like Zelda where there is a surprise every corner I turn to, each players with different experience despite having same character. The game is fun and good, for the first run, after at least 80% of the first playthrough, there is simply nothing much to be excited about the 2nd playthrough as it will be the same. Definitely not worth GOTY imo.
It was the best game I played up to the week and a half mark then it was overshadowed and even more on the way, but I also acknowledge it won’t be a contender due to performance issues, and generally being considered a good game but not great. Also a bunch of games I haven’t played I’ve heard are really good, so I don’t think Jedi ever stood a chance in a year this stacked
To be fair, the Jedi Counsel refusing to listen/respect other Jedi is the cause for a lot of either Sith or Jedi fallen to the dark side. I mean, Count Dooku, Anakin, Revan, Malak, etc. so Dagan turning over this isn’t out of the normal for both established and expanded cannon
I loved star wars Jedi fallen order. I am still on my first playthrough of survivor on my ps5. I haven't beat the story yet but so far im loving everything about survivor im 60 percent done.
For me, there was only one point that ticked me off the most, and it was probably my own fault for not paying enough attention to the little tutorial screen for the upgrade. At one point mid-game, there was one spot that ALWAYS crashed without fail. I eventually completely deleted the whole game from my system to reinstal it, which forced me to restart the game fresh. Glad I was able to get past that point and complete the story.
Beating this game on Grandmaster really drove to home how much certain animation cancels are needed, because yeesh.. too easy of deaths at times. That said, I don't think I'm nearly as hard on certain aspects of this game, namely the combat, as I ultimately had a great time and didn't care all that much about the lack of stance switching as a big thing this time around. I typically stuck with Dual Wield and Blaster Stance most of all, and the only reasons I ever switched between the two was balancing where to pool my resources. Honestly, the more I explored of what was available, the more I enjoyed the overall experience. I'll admit, though, I agree that Dagan Gera was a one-note villain and that Rayvis was far more interesting, despite being underutilized. That said, I do like where it all leads to, and I am appreciative that the spoiler was kept out. Because I do genuinely love the third act for it all, including giving us one of the coolest boss sequences I've seen since Nioh 2 (my own "soulslike" favorite). Even if the final boss in particular was far too frustrating for my own good, leaving me every temptation to bring it down to Master until I decided to be more patient in the third phase where I'd win. So far, performance issues aside, certain frustrations with the hardest difficulty aside, maxed out potential not reached aside, one-note built-up villain aside, this is my GOTY. I loved the cast of characters on display. Cal went from a fairly bland protagonist in Fallen Order to being confident and complex in Survivor. And while Trilla was easily the best character to come around not only in Fallen Order, but possibly the sum of both games, Survivor is supplemented by great, memorable new characters. And, above all else, I was just simply having a lot of fun, and the game encouraged me to have fun. And the game, itself, looked to have a lot of love and care and fanservice poured into it to make it, in itself, just an overall fun experience.
I hate button combos in general, but for something pretty optional like stance switching, especially because we just can't do it at all how it is, I think it would be a good solution.
Excellent video man! I'd be curious to see your opinion on the villains given the twist at the end of the game. I think it answers your issues with a 2D villain. Definitely was frustrated not being able to cancel attacks, that kicked my butt for awhile.
For any PS5 players, I only did quality not performance and while the FPS is less, it is consistent and I would imagine most people would end up not even noticing.
Everything you said about the combat system has resonated with me immensely when it came to my experience with Fallen Order. The force meter felt far too stingy, and I always felt hamstrung during advanced combat in that game. Of all things to double down on, I hoped Respawn wouldn't in the sequel. Fortunately the PC version actually has a mod that lets switch between all 5 stances, so I think I'll be using it + partial force meter cheats. A bit of a shame, but hey - PC gaming for me means being able to tailor my single player gaming experience to be what I like it to be. Good review otherwise, though I'd say there were more spoilers than I thought there would be. Oh well.
Does the mod address the Force Meter problem though? Cuz I'd bet it feels even more limiting having so many options but only having enough to pull about a quarter of it off.
This is a great review and even though I feel most of the criticism about the combat is nitpicky, many of your points have something going for them. Essentially, I think most of what you mention is a choice due to the gameplay the Jedi series aims for. Although being compared to Sekiro, where being as aggressive as possible is preferred, the Jedi series seems to focus more on predicting and reacting to enemy attacks, which seems much more in line with how a Jedi would fight (Patiently, but with determination). But I think that there's also an element of realism being incorporated with the stance switching animations and lack of warnings about enemy attacks from the rear. I've seen quite a few videos with experts reacting and saying that Survivor saber combat references real life martial arts after all, so I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case.
Game was fucking awesome, just put in 75 hours on ps5, ran amazing now that it’s been fixed, and honestly, I really fuckin liked it, I had a lot of dam fun, and I don’t even care for Star Wars. I’m a dark souls combat fanatic, and man did I love the hell out of this games combat mechanics, u beat it on grand master by the way.
The only thing I wish they had was more planets instead of reusing Koboh so much. I’m a player that once I finish the story I just turn off to the game completely-even when there’s DLC to be honest-so I want to explore as much as I can as soon as I’m near it. But with this game, much of what you see is blocked off in random spots here and there until roughly 85% through where it’s actually fully explorae, but by that point the story had kicked up too much for me to want to go explore. I think if they just had more planets that you could discover as you gain new abilities, and then larger borders on previous planets that you need these late game abilities to access rather than them just being scattered throughout would remove the feeling of “I’m going to go here just to find more shit I can’t do” that I got on Koboh. It’s open at the end and it’s honestly not that bad if you’re not a “when the story is done I am” person. Also, having to come back to the bounty quest giver every time was very tedious to me since you had to go back to Koboh every time. I would’ve much preferred just accessing it from the ship. However, outside of those little overblown gripes I think they improved upon the first game vastly. Exploration, combat, cosmetics, and the story to me is just as good although i did have a decent amount of spoilers. But even those spoilers didn’t just kill the moments because of how well they were crafted. Overall I love this game, and it makes me extremely excited for the next game because this is building to be the best trilogy we’ve ever seen in George Lucas’ galaxy. I had a blast.
Both Fallen Order and Survivor play MUCH better once you KNOW where everything is at. You need that knowledge to get the FULL immersion experience, and notice the exquisite details of each arrow. The GOOD thing about Survivor, is THE MORE I play it, the more I enjoy it. I'm about 100 hours in, (I've spent about 185 hours in Fallen Order) in efforts to get to that mastery of hardest difficulty/play style with EXPERT, "can't touch me" skill. I even love the gardening feature, and post-completion activities. There's obviously some things I wish were better, but 100 hours in, and I'm still learning things, and have not yet reached the skill ceiling I am aiming for. For such a simple game on casual play, it's VERY challenging when made to be, yet allows you to be invincible if you execute perfectly. I also like that they allowed you to disable fall damage, for those annoying undeserved falls, and the "auto-win" on button mashing, which allows you to keep the immersive experience without the pulsing "x" button on the screen. Disable the entire HUD, and you're in it. I have one save that I complete the game on 13.5 hours, and my 100% game that has 56 hours. There's a lot of versatility to play with, and play styles to master. Getting through the last room before you reach the array control center UNTOUCHED on Grand-Master is one of the funnest video game experiences I've felt.
This game and sekiro are my faves for the same reason, no level system just get good, and i loved the platforming, wish there was more, i dislike the game misreading my inputs. With more aim is more for the game to mess up
Finally a review that doesn’t harp on its performance the entire time. I know it’s a problem, but it’s a fantastic game and still deserves a lot of praise
It doesn't deserve a lot of praise. It feels like an incomplete product. The performance issues are a problem. Every YT, streamer and gaming journalist should mention them and warn people about them. Too mention them once at the start and too better recommend people to wait for patches is a welcome addition to any Review talking about this game. They rushed the development and than the turn around and try to blame our poor Pc settings. Hah? I don't know why you take offence with a simple warning. The core mechanics and the gameplay is pretty similar to the first game. Combat is even more frustrating than in Fallen Order. Furthermore the planet variety was way better at Fallen Order. Here I only see deserts and discount Bespin. This game feels rushed in every era. We (the customers) could have waited 1,5 years longer to optimize the combat and prevent shatter compilation stutters on all platforms. Positive publicity for EA/Respawn and the game probably didn't require 150 GB on my hard drive. In total it's average once it runs smoothly.
I really agree with your combat critiques. I genuinely believe some of these things need to be adjusted post launch. I’m gonna wait and see before I do NG+
Got a nice 80 hours already, really enjoyed it (even on PC though my computer is older I was happy enough consistently above 30 for the majority of the game). Trying to NJ+ in grand master with the purity perk (massively increase incoming and outgoing damage), some of those 1 hit unblockables are ridiculous and are the only time I really felt the need for more attack cues like you mention from god of war. Most of the time on master I was hearing enough of ranged attacks and unblockables to dodge, and with widest FOV and mouse camera was a lot easier tracking everyone than it would be for me on controller.
I'm still very bitter over the fact that they withheld Obi-Wan's prequel era lightsaber as a pre-order bonus. They didn't advertise it very well so I didn't even know it was a thing. Nevertheless I wouldn't have been able to pre-order the game anyway because of a tricky financial situation. It's very frustrating that this keeps happening. Just make a good product and people will buy it. You don't have to try to manipulate people into doing so and punish them when they didn't give you money the moment you told them to.
Mastering Single + Double as ONE stance, is the best way to play. It's honestly OP once you've figured it out. As a Jedi, I do not believe in using a blaster.
You said that the lack of a stamina system sets it apart from the game that inspired the combat system. But the combat system is clearly inspired by Sekiro, which also doesn't have a stamina bar. edit: you also say that normal attacks don't deplete enemy block bars. But they do, as long as the enemy is trying to block your attack. It's the same with special moves.
It's nothing like Sekiro and you can't break any enemies posture, which is slightly different then breaking their guard. Also on the hardest difficulty you don't need to guard break. You can one shot bosses. Also Sekiro came out after Fallen order by atleast a year
@@ZOROJURO2442 So it's nothing like Sekiro but breaking guard is only slightly different from breaking posture? Which bosses in Fallen Order can be one shot? And why does this matter for the comparison with Sekiro? Sekiro came out several months before Fallen Order, not a year after. That's closer than I thought, so maybe the similarities are a concidence.
@Flying Fox Fallen Order: November 15, 2019. Sekiro: March 2019. In Jedi survivor you have to do atleast three hits to break someone's guard meter, you can still do damage even without breaking guard. I killed a boss this way. In Sekiro you have to perfect parry twice in order to break an enemies posture in order to even hit/kill them. If you want to know which bosses you can one shot, play on the hardest difficulty and find out.
@@ZOROJURO2442 So Fallen Order came out more than 7 months after Sekiro. November comes after March. Did you actually play either Sekiro or Fallen Order? There is no such thing as needing at least 3 hits to break the guard in Survivor. Some enemies have their guard broken with a single hit. You can still do damage without breaking posture in Sekiro as well, and the amount of hits you need to do the break posture/guard depends on the enemy in both games. There is no such thing as having to perfect parry twice before being able to damage an enemy in Sekiro. The amount of parries needed to fully drain the posture meter depends on the enemy, and that posture meter can also be depleted by hitting a blocking enemy. Or it can be completely bypassed by directly depleting the health bar. Though the most effective tactic is a combination of all three options. It's the same in Fallen Order and Survivor. However, those games you have more options to completely bypass the guard meter and for some enemies it is basically irrelevant. The other main difference is that attacking after you break posture does a special move that depletes one entire healthbar in Sekiro, while in the Jedi games it merely allows some free hits. So the basic principle of a block/posture bar that gets depleted by attacking a blocking enemy and parrying is the same with both games, which is why they are so often compared. There is no boss you can one shot on the hardest difficulty in Fallen Order. Maybe Rick in Survivor. edit: unless you are talking about some minor bosses that you can throw off a cliff. Technically, you can do that in Sekiro as well, though that clearly wasn't the intention.
@Flying Fox I don't throw people off cliffs, I break them. I have a platinum in all 3 of these games. I played them quite a bit. Maybe Sekiro feels the same to you because of how you play, and that's fair. But these 2 games are night and day. Take away the slow swings and meditation points and these games have nothing in common other than damage output and loss upon death. I get why people compare then, but the similarities are artificial. They both lack what really defines Darksouls so I guess I never saw how these games were the same. I was wrong about the dates but Fallen Order is not inspired by Sekiro and maybe the bosses I one shotted were a glitch. Also I have game play footage of me breaking people's guard to test lightsabers on each difficulty and there are rules for guard break. It's about how hard and how often you swing at them, and there's punish for not breaking guard on the 3rd swing. I didn't compare the guard break to posture, since guard break is a basic concept in a lot videogames that use the logic of punch until enemy is vulnerable which is absolutely a rule in Survivor and not Sekiro
I LOVE IT!!!! I'm on my 7th run through, I've 100% it twice. There's A LOT of different ways to play around with perks/stances/strategies. I LOVE IT! (There is a BOOK that fills the gap between 1 and 2)
"He has a lot of power but can't shoor lightning out of his eyes" - fun and true comment. Map giving all the means not to get lost - true, saved me many times. Lack of backtracking in Survivor lead me to actual mindfucks, becouse I wouldn't think they really would want me to continue forward after countless games where boring backtracking was mandatory. It was so fresh and relieving experience. I was very afraid of platforming as someone who always failed any parkour challanges in any game since I started gaming at all.I was positively surprised that the regular progress on the map is very noob friendly. Very clean, fluent, flowing experience. Only the Force tears are a nightmare. I gave up on them right at the 1st one on Koboh. Right now the main problem for me is how it runs. In 20 FPS, with screen freeze here and there. Patches fixed a bit, especially stuttering in cutscenes that could draw FPS to 0. I reached the main story mission in Rocky Spires and I can't progress further. Each time I do a couple of puzzles the game stops responding and I need to terminate the task. And it loads from last savepoint, so I can do all the puzzles again, and freeze a bit further down this location. Or a little bit sooner than before, depends on how the game decides. Things like that can discourage to play even the best story, the most liked character and the best fighting animations there are out there.
I love this game and it’s combat but my main criticism is it gets really annoying at some points where your force meter runs out, I don’t think your special lightsaber attacks should be tied to the same meter and also i wish you got a third stance slot for new game+
24:10 one thing I miss is still having to press L2 to grab when you land on a climbable wall from fallen order. If it had that I'd probably have some more enjoyment than I already do which is a lot
You forgot FORCE TEARS! Fighting TWO rancors at once?! Fighting Ogdo AND Spawn of Ogdo at the same time! The one with ENDLESS B1 droids! Force Tears are fantastically fun! Also the puzzle rooms! AND the BF Cameo! 100% is the way to go, especially collecting most of the seeds AT NIGHT! Whoo, I love these games.
I feel like having attack warnings on sceen would be a bit overwelming and crowded, which is how i feel about most games. For me, most of the time games have that, it makes it look like a mobile game. Also teres 2 types of probe droids in this game. The normal ones from fallen order, and the new ones. You CAN acutally pull the new ones tpward you if you have a certain skill unlocked on one of the force skill trees. The skill also allows you to pull enemies that normally resist the pull. Also you had to use the d-pad to switch stances in the first game. But great review👍
They had the feature in the middle earth series. It's something you can toggle on and off. I actually really liked it. Especially when you are surrounded by lots of enemies. That said you could cancel pretty much every animation in that game.
I didnt see it in the vid Thrust, but you do know you could aim the ballon grapples by holding the grapple button right? Feel like that added a good amount of precision, even tho you could apparently get by without it
I really loved this game, I think If only the performance and bugs and everything else was fixed and was smoother like real next gen games it would definitely be game of the year. But the story, gameplay and narrative and everything else was perfect for me. I really loved rayvis amd dagan. Rayvis was immediately my favorite after his boss fight, I just love these kinds of characters who are honorable and just want a warriors death samurai type. He may seem evil but he was a real warrior and I had huge respect for him. Dagan gera was so cool. Aside from his story which I had No problem with. But some people hate. He was just badass, He literally overpowered cal and bode in every fight. Bode had secret powers and cal had bd1 and 5 different stances, and this man drove cal to the dark side with one hand. Like he created a f*cking force arm. His powers were super cool and he really was top of his game. I think he would beat most cannon star wars Characters. And then finally bode. Bode's storyline was done perfectly, and his betrayel hit so hard but it made the game really better, he was a father who was blinded.. what he did was wrong but he really cared for cal in many ways. And the final boss was done perfectly. Cere's death broke me but she went out like a chad. She literally held off against darth vader and really gave him a hard time, even vader respected her. And she wasn't no obi wan or luke. She really was a master.
Totally agree that Cal’s “special attacks” shouldn’t use up force energy. Reminds me of Sekiro and the spirit emblems. Why do I have to utilize spirit energy to swing an axe or throw a shuriken? Why do I have to employ the force to swing a lightsaber *slightly* differently..? Also, not being able to swap through all 5 stances is lame. I get that it might be complicated, but if you spend enough time with each stance, you’re going to get it down. And there’s the option to train with each stance to help you memorize the different styles. Would Cal be really be too OP if he could switch between all 5? Because I have all the tools on my belt rn anyway lol
Lack of a stance switching attack was very disappointing, BUT you CAN master stance switching combos with the PRACTICAL stances to switch. Single + double/ double + duel weird, single + blaster. Crossguard is just Crossguard, there isn't any smooth transition when utilizing cross guard.
A great break down, but that's not actually what's happening with the double jump fail! It's not latency in the second jump, it's actually a bug where if you spammed the jump button or even just hit it more than once for the initial jump, it immediately does the "second" jump instead of the normal first jump leaving you without the ability to jump again. You can tell when it does this as Cal does a flip in the air immediately instead of the normal jump, as he only does the flip when the "second" jump is activated. It also sometimes happens because it registers the initial jump twice immediately causing the double jump, so even if you didn't hit the jump button more than once, the jump you get is the "second" jump still. It's super apparent when this happens over a big drop because you can spam the jump button trying to get that second jump, but it's already be spent, as well as the flip mid air which only happens after the double jump has been triggered.
yh dagen is very forgettable and tbh the story of this game in my opinion just feels like a bunch of side quest strung together. Rayvis had a cool voice but he's barely in the game and the story of jedi fallen order felt much more interesting
Wish Dagen had a level as an ally before turning after seeing what happened to the Galaxy. A slower turn after endearing him to you. Maybe even have him teach you a lightsaber or force technique that really helps you, and then later you off him with it.
I mean he's not the main villain, but one of a couple. Once you beat the game and have the open world again, go back and see how long _______ was planning things without you knowing. Like he specifically wanted to push you towards Merrin to try and and turn you. Dude had plans going on for a while and caused almost everything bad that happens
Both Dagan and Rayvis gain a lot through the echoes. There's a really cool sidequest of sorts in which you go through caverns previously inhabited by Jedi, which were massacred by the latter antagonist. It's still fair to argue that these thing should have been properly shown and addressed on screen, but it's there at least, matching with what you do see in cutscenes while making exploration rewarding and locations more lived in.
I disagree with the idea that the d-pad is a bad way to switch weapons...ultimately you are sacrificing a high priority input for something that shouldn't be all that common in combat if you are using face buttons or triggers. I also find that the most common alternative, the weapon ring from games like rockstar made games or something similar like in the newer Zelda games, which dramatically detracts from my personal immersion in combat. While I believe the sheer number available options in Zelda make it such a system more desirable, I don't believe menu based inputs, that give you free time to think while slowing down combat, are necessarily always the correct way to go about it. A brief and momentary lack of movement controls (for the average player that doesn't use claw grips) actually forces you to plan and calculate an opening, and this isn't strictly a bad thing for a game that is focused on measured combat. This to me makes it feel like another move in the real time chess match of third-person, lock-on, action combat games. Personally I am a fan of the dpad weapon swap in this kind of game. Every one is entitled to their own opinions about things but I feel as though it is certainly not such a negative thing that it "should have died with dark souls 1". Just like you mentioned later in the video there are trade offs for design decisions and it isn't that simple. My largest gripe with the combat of this series is that the dodge feels incredibly unreliable, and the enemy attacks can feel extremely magnetic (locks on to you to an unreasonable extent) and floaty. I love souls games, and enjoyed sekiro (even while it beat the dodge focused gameplay out of me and I learned to stop relying on it). I am not against struggle and overcoming difficulty, but with the level of refinement of the combat in this series often find myself enjoying it much more after having given up on trying to play it on the harder difficulty settings, as failure in this game far more often feels unjust when compared to other games.
i think the best thing to add for the 3rd game (and some may disagree, i understand how it can work but also how it can’t) would be to add more player choice. go the Black Ops 2 route and give Cal the option to kill or spare certain story characters and add multiple endings to the canon. could be really troublesome but also could be cool.
Yeah no hate to disagree but they wouldn’t take resources from the opening of the game. With the depressing stats for proportion of players who even get to half way points let alone finish games - openings are crucial
I loved this game and actually agreed and appreciated this video. But the idea that the Probe droids are hard to fight and "Force pull resistant" is ludicrous. They are very easy to force pull and hack/kill. You can even damage them, grab and throw them as a bomb at enemies. And yes, I played this game through on Knight and Master so I wasn't on Easy mode.
The second jump lag and lack of animation canceling is SUPER annoying even still, 3 weeks later with over 100 hours into the game and more than two play throughs. The jump input is the most frustrating part though, that one little mechanic alone had me almost rage quit the game when I'd spend about an hour trying to complete one of those obstacle course Force Tears, and there were two really hard ones, each took at least an hour. Too many times I thought I inputted the command to double jump correctly in the middle of high intensity and fast paced traversal set piece, only to have Cal half-ass a bunny hop and fall to his death and force me to start all over again from the beginning. Aside from this, it feels outrageous that there HAS to be a definitive animation for BD to toss Cal a stem, Cal to catch it, and jab it in his arm in order to heal. Sure there's a skill you can unlock pretty early that makes this animation play out faster, but even that often times takes way too long when you're in a pinch fighting three bosses at once. What's even worse about it is that it almost always gets interrupted, if Cal gets hit during the healing animation, it won't complete the process and 9 times out of 10, this gets you killed. In order to heal in this game, you have to basically stop moving completely, press the heal button, and let the animation play out in it's entirety in order to receive the heal. If you try to quickly weave attacks in between the heal command, Cal interrupts his own healing process and the animation won't finish, resulting in another dead Cal. Your only option is to back as far away from any enemies as possible and pray no one hits you as you attempt to heal, but this too is problematic because most of the bosses in this game are LARGE and cover great distances very quickly. The only real solution I found to this massive and ridiculous issue, is to double jump away from the enemy and press the heal button while in the air. Then insert double jump lag timer and chuck your controller across the room out of frustration. Those two issues are my only real frustrations with the game though. I still cannot quit playing it and have a blast with it. Respawn just desperately needs to change these two things in the third game. Other than that, this is one of my favorite games of all time even though I know it's not perfect, and I cannot wait for what's next.
This is a thoroughly excellent critique. Well thought out, and though I don't agree with everything you have to say (1. I much preferred Fallen Order's tight level design (though NOT the backtracking) to Survivor's overlarge empty aimlessness and 2. especially regarding needing to open the map to see how to progress - I find Survivor much more of an offender here than Fallen Order), you've done a much better job of articulating where I felt the game came up short than I ever could.
I really appreciate a lot of your points about combat, in particular, the stance switching and what the realistic difficulties it presents. You also make a great point about off-screen indicators in GoW and how helpful some form of that system should be included in the sequel. They could leverage BD to make callouts and maybe have him move left and right to signal an attack is incoming. Just a thought, not fleshed out. Attacks from the rear would still be difficult to perceive. One thing you may have missed in Jedi Survivor, one stance DOES allow attack-cancels and it's the dual-wield stance. You can dodge and parry mid-attack. It might be the best stance in the game due to this. I would like to see this come to the other stance.
The force could be a way to implement the GOW off screen indicators thing considering that’s like one of the first things we learn about it, small precognition that allows them to deflect blaster bolts.
@@isplat927 absolutely. I think the reason they don’t do visual indicators similar to GoW is visual clutter. The Jedi series has a very clean/simple aesthetic. If you suddenly implement directional indicators like GoW, that directly conflicts with their style. That was why I suggested BD. It would maintain their visual style while still communicating important info to the player. The Force makes much more sense from a lore perspective, but representing a warning through the Force would be tricky.
How can you say that Skill points don’t effect stats? There’s one that says you gain more life or force. That’s how many moves you can do and hits you take
Okay. Rather than the level and world design improving, I think this is more of a case of you in particular getting better at reading the developer's intent. I've been playing the game myself on top of watching a handful of streamers play the game as well. The level design is actually still pretty unintuitive. They have to constantly try to find their way and read the minimap over and over. I absolutely don't think the world is better designed at all. At the very least, I found myself going back to the minimap every time I cleared a mob.
The only time I opened that map was to find loot. You could clearly see directions to go in while traveling through the stages. It wasnt very hard if you just looked for your next platforming opportunity
I think you are too forgiving of the lack of environmental variety in this game, I found that aspect really disappointing. Big step back from Fallen Order in that regard IMO
Does anyone know why the arachnophobia option was in the game? I don't remember seeing a single spider. And yes, I made sure the setting was turned off, lol.
Not far into the video just yet. But I don't think a detailed explanation of why the group split is necessary tbh. Sometimes people just need different things. As the game progresses it seems pretty clear that Greeze, Cere and Merrin wanted to move on and find a place for themselves in the galaxy. And Cal needed to be in the trenches, because fighting the empire is the only thing he felt he could and should be doing. The other three couldn't stay by his side and get what they wanted/needed so they went their seperate ways. It never seems like they ended on terrible terms, because there's no hostility in anyone. It's more like they all regret needing to go their own ways.
The only gripe I have with this game is the PC performance, but that's a huge issue. It is basically unplayable on PC which is pretty bad for a $70 USD game that's been out for weeks now. I suspect a lot of people are going to be leery of pre-ordering future EA titles after this disaster.
Great Video!
One thing I loved in Fallen Order was the chit-chat between Stormtroopers, in Survivor they've dialled it up to 11. It feels so rewarding waiting on the conversation to finish but it keeps going to a hilarious conclusion. It's like real people and droids going about their business before I brutally dismember them with immense, unfathomable power.
I love that part as well. It was such a good idea to bring back those Clone Wars droids to add to the chitchat.
best part is how Cal responds after killing them like "yeah i hear you but still"
The battledroids have some of the best one liners when you force them around. I enjoy pulling them to me, then YEET them off a ledge to their death. Some of my favorites so far have been:
"This isn't right!"
"Hello!" *gets thrown* "Wait NOOOOO!"
"Help! HEEEEELP!" *gets thrown* "You scum!"
"What... What is thiiiis?!"
There's also a pretty rare animation where sometimes when a droid tries to throw a grenade at you, but starts to drop it, ends up juggling it then catches it just before it explodes and looks right at you before it gets blown up. This game is pure gold.
Real people? They’re so cartoonish
One thing i want to point out, dagans motive IS fleshed out. He discovered a safe haven of a planet that couldve been huge for the jedi order, he rallied to get it to the counsil to decide on the fate of the planet, theyre attacked and rather than fight for what dagan worked so hard for they abandon it. Dagan decides to go to tanalorr alone and the person he trusted most CUTS HIS ARM OFF AND LOCKS HIM IN A TANK. The next time he wakes up everything he knew is gone, the last thing he experienced was his dream being crushed and being attacked by his friend now the order is gone and the sith are jn power and he wasnt there to do anything. His frustration turned him and the only thing he has left is that small hope of tanalorr, he has nothing left to lose.
Only he turned before his arm being cut, he killed several Jedi trying to get 2 compasses before going to Santari Khri
He's still boring, though. Fallen Order had much cooler villains. Dagan and Rayvis feel like random side characters, not proper antagonists. Neither of them even has a real conflict with Cal. Cal just stumbles into them and the conflict feels extremely forced. Dagan's hostility towards Cal doesn't even make sense. Why tf would he blame some random Jedi for the things other people did 200 years ago? It's dumb. As far as Dagan knew, Cal saved him and could be a useful ally. And Rayvis is just Dagan's sidekick basically. His conflict with Cal is even more forced.
@@CinematicSeriesGaming I can see your point, but I’m sure if you give the High Republic comics a try, it might peak your interest more into Dagan and the Jedi Order of the High Republic era. May not be as iconic as the Old Republic, but the comics do a solid job showing how the Jedi Order flourished during the high republic, with pretty much all the Jedi rocking white and gold and the lightsaber designs in the comics are also very nice, contrasting their clothing style 👍👍
@@BraydenMartin-r7u Their design is fine. I just find their stories boring and not engaging. I don't think that a blockbuster piece of media like a movie or a triple-A videogame should ever rely on supplementary material like a book or a comic to tell an interesting story. If Jedi Survivor wanted to tell an interesting story about Dagan, that's great. Should have made Dagan an interesting antagonist then! Show more of him! Make his motivations understandable and interesting. Create a conflict that feels natural, not forced. I finished the game and found almost all optional force echoes and I'm still not sure what Dagan wanted to accomplish, why he was so hostile towards Cal and how exactly he was going to fight the Empire. This dude woke up from a 200-year-long coma and decided to immediately turn to the dark side, fight the person who saved him and build some secret evil academy on Tanalorr to fight the Empire. Why? He doesn't even know anything about the Empire yet. For all he knows, he could like the Empire cuz it destroyed the Jedi Order that mistreated him.
@@CinematicSeriesGaming he quite literally does NOT blame cal and the only problem he has with cal is that cal keeps shoving himself infront of dagan so dagan fights him. He frustrated in general and has a bad taste in his mouth from the jedi order as a whole so when cal keeps getting in his way talking jedi blah blah blah, yeah hes annoyed by it
This game like the last one should have more planets to explore, after returning to koboh for 10th time I felt kind of tired.
that planet alone has like 6 sectioned off areas with 4 of those being different biomes. If they did more planets you would have just seen those different biomes in other places but all the exact same size they were. Jedah wasn't that big. Neither was the secret empire base or Coruscant. It was done so they could connect more areas to the hub town. I just wish the hub town itself had more to it than just the bar and some houses.
Yeah I was really surprised to see even less planets then before and Koboh wasn’t really that interesting. Coruscant looked awesome, wish we had some Nar Shaddah or some plante like that
@@bmagada Jedha was pretty huge
Yeah but dude, Koboh is like 6 different planets in one.
Half way through and can see that there's way too much of the story on Kobah
For me, there’s a lot to love with this game and I feel that Cal’s growth felt genuine and organic but if I had to choose 1 thing that I loved the most would have to be Cal’s dark side moments. They were executed well and I couldnt help but feel the same as him. Aside from a buggy release, respawn made a great Star Wars game imo
Agreed.
28:46 You can still grab the flying imperial droid or hack it with BD-1 you just need to hold your pull longer than in Fallen Order. I never had a problem with Cal's force meter, it fills up pretty fast too. Grabbing one of the flying droids and using it to throw at the enemies was never really an issue.
I LOVE not having to level up, having new skills added is so much better. I hate getting to a boss, killing him with 2 hits or needing to hit him 1000 times.
just so everyone's aware, theres a novel going into detail on what happened between fallen order and survivor. It's called Star Wars Jedi: Battle Scars and it goes into detail on the smaller details left out of survivor such as how greez lost his arm. So if you're like me and you needed that little bit more of the lore go pick it up!
It's also pretty bad I've heard
it’s pretty shit though
Yes it's an awfully written book unfortunately
It's not bad, it's just alright. I like nods like bd just throwing stims around at cal, or cal being obsessed with tweaking his saber lol.
On the Xbox x it runs pretty well. There’s occasionally a bit of frame drop and sometimes it takes 10 seconds to load when trying to go through the door at pyloons. It was pretty easy to figure out which stances are the best but not having enough skill points to up the trees for all the stances is making the saber strikes redundant visually. Respecing just to see some new moves is a little tedious.
How are you playing this on Xbox one x? I thought it was only on next gen
@@Dachin55555 Xbox series x
@@BLYbeatsdown then fix it dummy
@@Dachin55555 I can’t see how you’re confused
@@BLYbeatsdown I literally posted a comment dummy
In the book it mentions that there is some hints at the group slowly drifting apart from eachother and also one of the reasons could be how cal wouldn't get over the fact greez arm got cut off by the fifth brother when greez jumped in the way to defend cal during a fight cal was having between the inquisitor in which makes cal blame himself
no one cares about the book, Sam Maggs is Queen Woke
@@harryevans4994 okay 👍
In a universe where replacing missing limbs is easy and his friend doesn’t need the extra limbs for force powers , who cares lol
Seven "fully explorable" planets in Fallen Order? Did we play the same game? That's one thing I hate when people say because every planet in Fallen Order was absolutely not "fully explorable". Each planet in Fallen Order had specific linear objectives to reach. Let's not act like a single one of them was actually open world.
lol man nothing was liner at all about fallen order . They weren’t HUGE SPACES but it wasn’t a straightforward path
My favorite part of this game wasn't even gameplay-related. It was seeing all the High Republic iconography and architecture come to life. As a massive fan of the HR books/comics, it's really cool seeing this era off the page and I'm definitely excited for The Acolyte doing it in live-action next year.
This year is so incredibely strong, and we are still in May.
Dead Space Remake. Hogwarts, Jedi, RE4 Remake, ToTK, Wo Long, Atomic Heart...
Honestly, been having such a blast since probably like 2017 that was of this calibre.
How old are you? I'm guessing under 20
@@Frogman1212 then you are bad at guessing. Anyway, my age should not be a concern of yours dad.
@@denisruskin348 I'm 21. But Hogwarts is mid af, tears of the kingdom is a glorified dlc of an already basic game, and atomic heart is yet another bioshock clone.
@@Frogman1212 Guess we all have preferences. For me something like Persona 5 is pure feces. Preferences frogman, preferences.
@@denisruskin348 I don't play persona
34:30 You can actually cancel ur attack in jedi survivor, but only with the dual wield. This is why dual wield is actually the best stance for boss fight, if u pressed attack but the boss coming with an unblockable, dual wield can dodge away, or just block it if it is not unblockable.
I played the first and the second one back to back and there is just something about the first game that feels bigger with the worlds involved, all the planets had a deep history we could see, I feel like compared to the first game these new planets don’t live up
True. Dathomir , Kashyk and Zeppo had stronger history while Koboh and Jedha are young outer rim planets that have not had too many settlers
@@theelectricprince8231I know you commented this forever ago but Jedha is not young at all and literally had an ancient Jedi temple and had that history already mentioned in Rogue One
Solid breakdown my man, I was on the fence of picking up Star Wars Jedi Survivor, watching your video got me hyped, picking it up now 😊
Alotta great points. One thing that burned me up is that after a boss fight intermission it returns you to battle with your targeting off
Dude... that was sooo annoying on Vader(grand master).
@@pkshowsupnoobsallday omggg i cant even imagine how the final boss battle went for you
There is a mod that lets you use 5 stances at any time and it's not "overwhelming" at all. It makes combat 10 times more fun and it makes progression more meaningful because you never feel like you're investing points into a stance you never use. There is nothing more satisfying than skillfully alternating between different stances during a boss fight. I think limiting active stances to two was a massive design mistake by Respawn. It makes no sense and it creates a few different problems:
1. It makes the combat less varied than it could be, which is a massive problem when each stance has only a couple special moves and no real "combos" to speak of. This limitation is probably the reason why we don't have any cool transition moves like we did in Fallen Order. If we could have all 5 stances equipped, I bet there would be some bada$$ combos that make Cal swap stances mid-attack.
2. It ensures all stances are kind of generic and lack depth. A system like in Ghost of Tsushima where you have to adjust your stance to counter a specific enemy would be much better. Notice that there are basically no enemies that require a specific stance to defeat. Sure, it's easier to kill a probe droid by rapidly deflecting bolts with a double-bladed saber, but you can do that with a single blade too, albeit not as fast.
3. It ruins the progression system. Every single time you invest a skill point in a stance that's not your main, it feels like you're wasting a point. Why? Because your acquired skills are useless when you can't use them! Having all 5 stances available makes the progression system more rewarding and more interesting.
4. It ties the hands of the developers and prohibits them from incorporating stances into traversal or puzzles. Think about it. Cal has a blaster and it could be a fantastic tool used for a lot of creative puzzle sections or traversal abilities. You could shoot buttons and consoles from afar, you could blow up explosive tanks to unlock new paths, you could shoot pieces of environment to make them fall on enemies' heads. So much potential! But because the player is limited to just 2 stances and CAN NOT HAVE THE BLASTER EQUIPPED AT ANY GIVEN MOMENT, the blaster just can't be used in a creative way like this. Instead it's just an alternative combat method that feels superfluous at times.
Imagine how dumb God of War would be if you could equip only one weapon at a time: Blades of Chaos OR the Leviathan Axe. It would completely ruin the sense of progression and the fantasy of getting stronger. This is exactly how Jedi Survivor feels. I get a cool new crossguard stance or a blaster stance but suddenly I can't use the regular blade, the staff stance or the cool dual stance and all my skills acquired until this point become useless. WHY? It's dumb and it makes no sense.
Dagan's motive is fleshed out, as another commented noted.
The Force meter actually makes sense both gameplay wise and lore wise. Most of Cal's special attacks would be impossible to do if he wasn't a Force user, and by forcing the player to mix normal attacks that fill the Force meter and special attacks that drain it you ensure each battle is won with skill and not spamming special attacks. Afterall, special attacks are far more important in combat than Force powers themselves. Afterall, using the Force for lethal combat is much more taxing for the user than non combat related uses. The only complaint I had was with the toggle pull option, as it didn't really seem to do what it was intended for, both in traversal and combat related usage.
I did actually spend a lot of time exploring areas and getting skill points, not completing everything though, until after Dagan's death when the story was too compelling for me to stop, without ever freefarming. I ended up with enough skillpoints to max out the Force and Health trees and 4/5 stance trees, while frequently switching around the single, double, dual and blaster stances. I was more than satisfied with the stance options by the end of the game. I don't know if you skipped out on exploration completely but you should've disclosed that before saying that you ended up with half the necessary skillpoints to complete all the trees.
The thing about the probe droids is that they're designed to be annoying, possibly more than other enemies with ranged attacks. But, if you actually spend skillpoints upgrading Force pull you have a lot more options, even using probe droids as throwable explosives. And there is also an upgrade to slice them, like in Fallen Order. This is why you should explore around and not critique a game if you simply speedrun it's story.
The reason you can't use all 5 stances at a time is because it would be too complicated to change them on a controller. And even so, each stance is unique and you can't expect each stance to have the same attack on the same button. While I don't necessarily agree with the dual wield's defensive attack as a design choice, I can't agree with you in saying that switching stances punishes you. Note that with Survivor's 5 new stances, 5 switching attacks would be nowhere near enough for the game, as each stance needs a switch attack for 4 other stances, making up for (I think) 20 different switching attacks. If I was a dev, I'd rather you back up and swich stances.
Well said. You actually put some thought into this. Unlike someone…
Yoda be spinnin in his space grave generating electricity
I am one of the lucky few who had the game run perfectly for me from the start. So for me the only thing it needed was something like a boss rush or the arena thing from Fallen Order after the main story is complete. Cause the boss fights were the best part of the game
I will have to pick this game up and playthrough. Hearing the level design is top notch makes me excited to play it finally
"I think Trilla is the best villain in any Star Wars game." **Kreia: Influence lost intensifies** XD Great review my dude. It's like this is how all reviews should be made or something instead of being rushed out a week before release and most of them can't even finish the game.
Kreia, Sion and Malak are my favourite SW game villains
@@samuelmyth8392 Bendak Starkiller is my favourite SW game villain 😎
@@unepomme1375 he is like an insect compared to Calo Nord
Dude, I miss you uploads. Calming and thought provoking.
To me this is still my GOTY. Even though the game should’ve been kept in the oven longer and it’s fluttered with game breaking bugs it’s still an amazing game. The story and gameplay are something we’ve always dreamed about as Star Wars fans. It’s a love letter. Respawn has ignited my love for Star Wars again, which is something Disney just couldn’t do. Plus Cal, and the rest of the main characters feel like Star Wars if that makes any sense. ❤️
To me, it's contrast. It provides an interesting journey and I thoroughly enjoy the story as a Star Wars fan. But there are some many things could be more and this game is just not reaching that height. It could have 1-2 years more of development and providing us in depth combat, exploration and more, rather than few linears planets, 1 medium planet of Jedha with limited exploration, and Koboh with above medium size.
There is no surprise when I explore these planets, go there, do x y z, backtracking when I unlock new abilities to go throuh the barrier, etc. Imagine a game like Zelda where there is a surprise every corner I turn to, each players with different experience despite having same character.
The game is fun and good, for the first run, after at least 80% of the first playthrough, there is simply nothing much to be excited about the 2nd playthrough as it will be the same. Definitely not worth GOTY imo.
Lmao what. Half the players could barely play this broken POS and you think that’s GOTY material haha
Dude, the year just started 😂 Plenty of more games to come out to win GOTY for you lol.
BD-1 is life
It was the best game I played up to the week and a half mark then it was overshadowed and even more on the way, but I also acknowledge it won’t be a contender due to performance issues, and generally being considered a good game but not great. Also a bunch of games I haven’t played I’ve heard are really good, so I don’t think Jedi ever stood a chance in a year this stacked
To be fair, the Jedi Counsel refusing to listen/respect other Jedi is the cause for a lot of either Sith or Jedi fallen to the dark side. I mean, Count Dooku, Anakin, Revan, Malak, etc. so Dagan turning over this isn’t out of the normal for both established and expanded cannon
I loved star wars Jedi fallen order. I am still on my first playthrough of survivor on my ps5. I haven't beat the story yet but so far im loving everything about survivor im 60 percent done.
Let me tell you without spoilers: there's a biiiiiig Twist at the end and I'm sure it caught everyone off guard
@@itisaturtle9391 Saying there's a twist is already a spoiler lmao why u do it to him like that
For me, there was only one point that ticked me off the most, and it was probably my own fault for not paying enough attention to the little tutorial screen for the upgrade. At one point mid-game, there was one spot that ALWAYS crashed without fail. I eventually completely deleted the whole game from my system to reinstal it, which forced me to restart the game fresh. Glad I was able to get past that point and complete the story.
Beating this game on Grandmaster really drove to home how much certain animation cancels are needed, because yeesh.. too easy of deaths at times.
That said, I don't think I'm nearly as hard on certain aspects of this game, namely the combat, as I ultimately had a great time and didn't care all that much about the lack of stance switching as a big thing this time around. I typically stuck with Dual Wield and Blaster Stance most of all, and the only reasons I ever switched between the two was balancing where to pool my resources. Honestly, the more I explored of what was available, the more I enjoyed the overall experience.
I'll admit, though, I agree that Dagan Gera was a one-note villain and that Rayvis was far more interesting, despite being underutilized. That said, I do like where it all leads to, and I am appreciative that the spoiler was kept out. Because I do genuinely love the third act for it all, including giving us one of the coolest boss sequences I've seen since Nioh 2 (my own "soulslike" favorite). Even if the final boss in particular was far too frustrating for my own good, leaving me every temptation to bring it down to Master until I decided to be more patient in the third phase where I'd win.
So far, performance issues aside, certain frustrations with the hardest difficulty aside, maxed out potential not reached aside, one-note built-up villain aside, this is my GOTY. I loved the cast of characters on display. Cal went from a fairly bland protagonist in Fallen Order to being confident and complex in Survivor. And while Trilla was easily the best character to come around not only in Fallen Order, but possibly the sum of both games, Survivor is supplemented by great, memorable new characters. And, above all else, I was just simply having a lot of fun, and the game encouraged me to have fun. And the game, itself, looked to have a lot of love and care and fanservice poured into it to make it, in itself, just an overall fun experience.
The hardest boss in this game is the terrible movement, especially the doge.
@@la7127 I didn't feel it was terrible at all.
Conscientious - Morally alert, thoughtful about injustice
Conscious (non-medical) - Aware, particularly of multiple factors at once
I like how these games use character dialogue to let you know that you're going the right way.
I hate button combos in general, but for something pretty optional like stance switching, especially because we just can't do it at all how it is, I think it would be a good solution.
Excellent video man! I'd be curious to see your opinion on the villains given the twist at the end of the game. I think it answers your issues with a 2D villain.
Definitely was frustrated not being able to cancel attacks, that kicked my butt for awhile.
You can cancel by blocking with dual stance
I really don't think it helps, it still superficial
It's just the same as Dagan - i don't like this so I'm evil
For any PS5 players, I only did quality not performance and while the FPS is less, it is consistent and I would imagine most people would end up not even noticing.
Everything you said about the combat system has resonated with me immensely when it came to my experience with Fallen Order. The force meter felt far too stingy, and I always felt hamstrung during advanced combat in that game. Of all things to double down on, I hoped Respawn wouldn't in the sequel. Fortunately the PC version actually has a mod that lets switch between all 5 stances, so I think I'll be using it + partial force meter cheats. A bit of a shame, but hey - PC gaming for me means being able to tailor my single player gaming experience to be what I like it to be.
Good review otherwise, though I'd say there were more spoilers than I thought there would be. Oh well.
Does the mod address the Force Meter problem though?
Cuz I'd bet it feels even more limiting having so many options but only having enough to pull about a quarter of it off.
@@dantefromdevilmaycry9857the mod is for stances. I guarantee you there’s mods for the force
the only stance system I've playe is Ghost of Tsushima. It was very cool looking there even though I used to forget some of the specific abilities
This is a great review and even though I feel most of the criticism about the combat is nitpicky, many of your points have something going for them. Essentially, I think most of what you mention is a choice due to the gameplay the Jedi series aims for. Although being compared to Sekiro, where being as aggressive as possible is preferred, the Jedi series seems to focus more on predicting and reacting to enemy attacks, which seems much more in line with how a Jedi would fight (Patiently, but with determination). But I think that there's also an element of realism being incorporated with the stance switching animations and lack of warnings about enemy attacks from the rear. I've seen quite a few videos with experts reacting and saying that Survivor saber combat references real life martial arts after all, so I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case.
Game was fucking awesome, just put in 75 hours on ps5, ran amazing now that it’s been fixed, and honestly, I really fuckin liked it, I had a lot of dam fun, and I don’t even care for Star Wars. I’m a dark souls combat fanatic, and man did I love the hell out of this games combat mechanics, u beat it on grand master by the way.
One of the best games I have EVER played.
The only thing I wish they had was more planets instead of reusing Koboh so much. I’m a player that once I finish the story I just turn off to the game completely-even when there’s DLC to be honest-so I want to explore as much as I can as soon as I’m near it. But with this game, much of what you see is blocked off in random spots here and there until roughly 85% through where it’s actually fully explorae, but by that point the story had kicked up too much for me to want to go explore. I think if they just had more planets that you could discover as you gain new abilities, and then larger borders on previous planets that you need these late game abilities to access rather than them just being scattered throughout would remove the feeling of “I’m going to go here just to find more shit I can’t do” that I got on Koboh. It’s open at the end and it’s honestly not that bad if you’re not a “when the story is done I am” person. Also, having to come back to the bounty quest giver every time was very tedious to me since you had to go back to Koboh every time. I would’ve much preferred just accessing it from the ship.
However, outside of those little overblown gripes I think they improved upon the first game vastly. Exploration, combat, cosmetics, and the story to me is just as good although i did have a decent amount of spoilers. But even those spoilers didn’t just kill the moments because of how well they were crafted. Overall I love this game, and it makes me extremely excited for the next game because this is building to be the best trilogy we’ve ever seen in George Lucas’ galaxy. I had a blast.
Both Fallen Order and Survivor play MUCH better once you KNOW where everything is at. You need that knowledge to get the FULL immersion experience, and notice the exquisite details of each arrow.
The GOOD thing about Survivor, is THE MORE I play it, the more I enjoy it. I'm about 100 hours in, (I've spent about 185 hours in Fallen Order) in efforts to get to that mastery of hardest difficulty/play style with EXPERT, "can't touch me" skill.
I even love the gardening feature, and post-completion activities.
There's obviously some things I wish were better, but 100 hours in, and I'm still learning things, and have not yet reached the skill ceiling I am aiming for. For such a simple game on casual play, it's VERY challenging when made to be, yet allows you to be invincible if you execute perfectly.
I also like that they allowed you to disable fall damage, for those annoying undeserved falls, and the "auto-win" on button mashing, which allows you to keep the immersive experience without the pulsing "x" button on the screen.
Disable the entire HUD, and you're in it.
I have one save that I complete the game on 13.5 hours, and my 100% game that has 56 hours.
There's a lot of versatility to play with, and play styles to master.
Getting through the last room before you reach the array control center UNTOUCHED on Grand-Master is one of the funnest video game experiences I've felt.
That platforming looks great
This game and sekiro are my faves for the same reason, no level system just get good, and i loved the platforming, wish there was more, i dislike the game misreading my inputs. With more aim is more for the game to mess up
Finally a review that doesn’t harp on its performance the entire time. I know it’s a problem, but it’s a fantastic game and still deserves a lot of praise
It doesn't deserve a lot of praise.
It feels like an incomplete product.
The performance issues are a problem. Every YT, streamer and gaming journalist should mention them and warn people about them.
Too mention them once at the start and too better recommend people to wait for patches is a welcome addition to any Review talking about this game.
They rushed the development and than the turn around and try to blame our poor Pc settings. Hah?
I don't know why you take offence with a simple warning.
The core mechanics and the gameplay is pretty similar to the first game. Combat is even more frustrating than in Fallen Order.
Furthermore the planet variety was way better at Fallen Order.
Here I only see deserts and discount Bespin.
This game feels rushed in every era.
We (the customers) could have waited 1,5 years longer to optimize the combat and prevent shatter compilation stutters on all platforms.
Positive publicity for EA/Respawn and the game probably didn't require 150 GB on my hard drive.
In total it's average once it runs smoothly.
I really agree with your combat critiques. I genuinely believe some of these things need to be adjusted post launch. I’m gonna wait and see before I do NG+
This Jedi series is my fav Star Wars property of all time. I cannot wait for the 3rd game!
Got a nice 80 hours already, really enjoyed it (even on PC though my computer is older I was happy enough consistently above 30 for the majority of the game).
Trying to NJ+ in grand master with the purity perk (massively increase incoming and outgoing damage), some of those 1 hit unblockables are ridiculous and are the only time I really felt the need for more attack cues like you mention from god of war. Most of the time on master I was hearing enough of ranged attacks and unblockables to dodge, and with widest FOV and mouse camera was a lot easier tracking everyone than it would be for me on controller.
I'm still very bitter over the fact that they withheld Obi-Wan's prequel era lightsaber as a pre-order bonus. They didn't advertise it very well so I didn't even know it was a thing. Nevertheless I wouldn't have been able to pre-order the game anyway because of a tricky financial situation. It's very frustrating that this keeps happening. Just make a good product and people will buy it. You don't have to try to manipulate people into doing so and punish them when they didn't give you money the moment you told them to.
Mastering Single + Double as ONE stance, is the best way to play. It's honestly OP once you've figured it out.
As a Jedi, I do not believe in using a blaster.
Guys this game is so much better than the first one. Now it has been finally fixed for 60 fps. Go get it
Agreed, fucking phenomenal game.
The first game is better. Also there’s still a good amount of frame drops especially later on
You said that the lack of a stamina system sets it apart from the game that inspired the combat system. But the combat system is clearly inspired by Sekiro, which also doesn't have a stamina bar.
edit: you also say that normal attacks don't deplete enemy block bars. But they do, as long as the enemy is trying to block your attack. It's the same with special moves.
It's nothing like Sekiro and you can't break any enemies posture, which is slightly different then breaking their guard. Also on the hardest difficulty you don't need to guard break. You can one shot bosses. Also Sekiro came out after Fallen order by atleast a year
@@ZOROJURO2442 So it's nothing like Sekiro but breaking guard is only slightly different from breaking posture?
Which bosses in Fallen Order can be one shot? And why does this matter for the comparison with Sekiro?
Sekiro came out several months before Fallen Order, not a year after. That's closer than I thought, so maybe the similarities are a concidence.
@Flying Fox Fallen Order: November 15, 2019. Sekiro: March 2019. In Jedi survivor you have to do atleast three hits to break someone's guard meter, you can still do damage even without breaking guard. I killed a boss this way. In Sekiro you have to perfect parry twice in order to break an enemies posture in order to even hit/kill them. If you want to know which bosses you can one shot, play on the hardest difficulty and find out.
@@ZOROJURO2442 So Fallen Order came out more than 7 months after Sekiro. November comes after March.
Did you actually play either Sekiro or Fallen Order? There is no such thing as needing at least 3 hits to break the guard in Survivor. Some enemies have their guard broken with a single hit.
You can still do damage without breaking posture in Sekiro as well, and the amount of hits you need to do the break posture/guard depends on the enemy in both games.
There is no such thing as having to perfect parry twice before being able to damage an enemy in Sekiro. The amount of parries needed to fully drain the posture meter depends on the enemy, and that posture meter can also be depleted by hitting a blocking enemy. Or it can be completely bypassed by directly depleting the health bar. Though the most effective tactic is a combination of all three options.
It's the same in Fallen Order and Survivor. However, those games you have more options to completely bypass the guard meter and for some enemies it is basically irrelevant. The other main difference is that attacking after you break posture does a special move that depletes one entire healthbar in Sekiro, while in the Jedi games it merely allows some free hits.
So the basic principle of a block/posture bar that gets depleted by attacking a blocking enemy and parrying is the same with both games, which is why they are so often compared.
There is no boss you can one shot on the hardest difficulty in Fallen Order. Maybe Rick in Survivor.
edit: unless you are talking about some minor bosses that you can throw off a cliff. Technically, you can do that in Sekiro as well, though that clearly wasn't the intention.
@Flying Fox I don't throw people off cliffs, I break them. I have a platinum in all 3 of these games. I played them quite a bit. Maybe Sekiro feels the same to you because of how you play, and that's fair. But these 2 games are night and day. Take away the slow swings and meditation points and these games have nothing in common other than damage output and loss upon death. I get why people compare then, but the similarities are artificial. They both lack what really defines Darksouls so I guess I never saw how these games were the same. I was wrong about the dates but Fallen Order is not inspired by Sekiro and maybe the bosses I one shotted were a glitch. Also I have game play footage of me breaking people's guard to test lightsabers on each difficulty and there are rules for guard break. It's about how hard and how often you swing at them, and there's punish for not breaking guard on the 3rd swing. I didn't compare the guard break to posture, since guard break is a basic concept in a lot videogames that use the logic of punch until enemy is vulnerable which is absolutely a rule in Survivor and not Sekiro
I LOVE IT!!!!
I'm on my 7th run through, I've 100% it twice. There's A LOT of different ways to play around with perks/stances/strategies.
I LOVE IT!
(There is a BOOK that fills the gap between 1 and 2)
Games awesome I agree.
25:20 the game that inspired its combat system is Sekiro, so its exactly the same.
7:07 You must be on drugs if you thought Cal was portrayed as all powerful in JFO.
"He has a lot of power but can't shoor lightning out of his eyes" - fun and true comment.
Map giving all the means not to get lost - true, saved me many times. Lack of backtracking in Survivor lead me to actual mindfucks, becouse I wouldn't think they really would want me to continue forward after countless games where boring backtracking was mandatory. It was so fresh and relieving experience.
I was very afraid of platforming as someone who always failed any parkour challanges in any game since I started gaming at all.I was positively surprised that the regular progress on the map is very noob friendly. Very clean, fluent, flowing experience. Only the Force tears are a nightmare. I gave up on them right at the 1st one on Koboh.
Right now the main problem for me is how it runs. In 20 FPS, with screen freeze here and there. Patches fixed a bit, especially stuttering in cutscenes that could draw FPS to 0. I reached the main story mission in Rocky Spires and I can't progress further. Each time I do a couple of puzzles the game stops responding and I need to terminate the task. And it loads from last savepoint, so I can do all the puzzles again, and freeze a bit further down this location. Or a little bit sooner than before, depends on how the game decides. Things like that can discourage to play even the best story, the most liked character and the best fighting animations there are out there.
I love this game and it’s combat but my main criticism is it gets really annoying at some points where your force meter runs out, I don’t think your special lightsaber attacks should be tied to the same meter and also i wish you got a third stance slot for new game+
Also I do wish switching stances was more fluid for cool combos
Jedi Survivor did exactly what a sequel should. It kept what worked with combat and made the traversal/platforming sections so much better.
Commenting for the algorithm! Love the long detailed videos! Keep up the hard work!
24:10 one thing I miss is still having to press L2 to grab when you land on a climbable wall from fallen order. If it had that I'd probably have some more enjoyment than I already do which is a lot
Good shit Tonald. I saw the early reviews and waited but i think I'll give it a shot after TotK
Don’t try it on PC unless you have high specs.
I haven’t even finished the first but I enjoy this so much more than playing either lmao ❤
This game is fuckin great. I can look past the frame drops here and there becuase its a fun game with a plethora of content
this is me as well, one of the very few times that im able to compromise playing 45/50 fps in exchange of fire contents.
You forgot FORCE TEARS! Fighting TWO rancors at once?! Fighting Ogdo AND Spawn of Ogdo at the same time!
The one with ENDLESS B1 droids! Force Tears are fantastically fun!
Also the puzzle rooms!
AND the BF Cameo!
100% is the way to go, especially collecting most of the seeds AT NIGHT!
Whoo, I love these games.
I feel like having attack warnings on sceen would be a bit overwelming and crowded, which is how i feel about most games. For me, most of the time games have that, it makes it look like a mobile game. Also teres 2 types of probe droids in this game. The normal ones from fallen order, and the new ones. You CAN acutally pull the new ones tpward you if you have a certain skill unlocked on one of the force skill trees. The skill also allows you to pull enemies that normally resist the pull. Also you had to use the d-pad to switch stances in the first game. But great review👍
They had the feature in the middle earth series. It's something you can toggle on and off. I actually really liked it. Especially when you are surrounded by lots of enemies. That said you could cancel pretty much every animation in that game.
Good points and I agree with all of it. The pain though are the glitches and crashes. Still torn about recommending it.
I didnt see it in the vid Thrust, but you do know you could aim the ballon grapples by holding the grapple button right? Feel like that added a good amount of precision, even tho you could apparently get by without it
This is one of the best Star wars games I have ever played
you can hold the grapple button on the balloons to aim them.
Bring back the cooking videos!
Loving this game so far, just bought it the other day
I really loved this game, I think If only the performance and bugs and everything else was fixed and was smoother like real next gen games it would definitely be game of the year. But the story, gameplay and narrative and everything else was perfect for me. I really loved rayvis amd dagan. Rayvis was immediately my favorite after his boss fight, I just love these kinds of characters who are honorable and just want a warriors death samurai type. He may seem evil but he was a real warrior and I had huge respect for him. Dagan gera was so cool. Aside from his story which I had No problem with. But some people hate. He was just badass, He literally overpowered cal and bode in every fight. Bode had secret powers and cal had bd1 and 5 different stances, and this man drove cal to the dark side with one hand. Like he created a f*cking force arm. His powers were super cool and he really was top of his game. I think he would beat most cannon star wars Characters. And then finally bode. Bode's storyline was done perfectly, and his betrayel hit so hard but it made the game really better, he was a father who was blinded.. what he did was wrong but he really cared for cal in many ways. And the final boss was done perfectly. Cere's death broke me but she went out like a chad. She literally held off against darth vader and really gave him a hard time, even vader respected her. And she wasn't no obi wan or luke. She really was a master.
Totally agree that Cal’s “special attacks” shouldn’t use up force energy. Reminds me of Sekiro and the spirit emblems. Why do I have to utilize spirit energy to swing an axe or throw a shuriken? Why do I have to employ the force to swing a lightsaber *slightly* differently..?
Also, not being able to swap through all 5 stances is lame. I get that it might be complicated, but if you spend enough time with each stance, you’re going to get it down. And there’s the option to train with each stance to help you memorize the different styles. Would Cal be really be too OP if he could switch between all 5? Because I have all the tools on my belt rn anyway lol
Great video man!, quick question for everyone what color light saber you guys used I used white because of the lore behind it
"This video does not contain any spoilers" literally gives major story spoilers two minutes later...
Lack of a stance switching attack was very disappointing, BUT you CAN master stance switching combos with the PRACTICAL stances to switch. Single + double/ double + duel weird, single + blaster.
Crossguard is just Crossguard, there isn't any smooth transition when utilizing cross guard.
A great break down, but that's not actually what's happening with the double jump fail! It's not latency in the second jump, it's actually a bug where if you spammed the jump button or even just hit it more than once for the initial jump, it immediately does the "second" jump instead of the normal first jump leaving you without the ability to jump again. You can tell when it does this as Cal does a flip in the air immediately instead of the normal jump, as he only does the flip when the "second" jump is activated.
It also sometimes happens because it registers the initial jump twice immediately causing the double jump, so even if you didn't hit the jump button more than once, the jump you get is the "second" jump still.
It's super apparent when this happens over a big drop because you can spam the jump button trying to get that second jump, but it's already be spent, as well as the flip mid air which only happens after the double jump has been triggered.
You may have very strong ADHD if side mission icons mess you up 16:43
based Tonald
what?
What?
yh dagen is very forgettable and tbh the story of this game in my opinion just feels like a bunch of side quest strung together. Rayvis had a cool voice but he's barely in the game and the story of jedi fallen order felt much more interesting
Wish Dagen had a level as an ally before turning after seeing what happened to the Galaxy. A slower turn after endearing him to you. Maybe even have him teach you a lightsaber or force technique that really helps you, and then later you off him with it.
I mean he's not the main villain, but one of a couple. Once you beat the game and have the open world again, go back and see how long _______ was planning things without you knowing. Like he specifically wanted to push you towards Merrin to try and and turn you. Dude had plans going on for a while and caused almost everything bad that happens
Both Dagan and Rayvis gain a lot through the echoes. There's a really cool sidequest of sorts in which you go through caverns previously inhabited by Jedi, which were massacred by the latter antagonist. It's still fair to argue that these thing should have been properly shown and addressed on screen, but it's there at least, matching with what you do see in cutscenes while making exploration rewarding and locations more lived in.
I disagree with the idea that the d-pad is a bad way to switch weapons...ultimately you are sacrificing a high priority input for something that shouldn't be all that common in combat if you are using face buttons or triggers. I also find that the most common alternative, the weapon ring from games like rockstar made games or something similar like in the newer Zelda games, which dramatically detracts from my personal immersion in combat. While I believe the sheer number available options in Zelda make it such a system more desirable, I don't believe menu based inputs, that give you free time to think while slowing down combat, are necessarily always the correct way to go about it. A brief and momentary lack of movement controls (for the average player that doesn't use claw grips) actually forces you to plan and calculate an opening, and this isn't strictly a bad thing for a game that is focused on measured combat. This to me makes it feel like another move in the real time chess match of third-person, lock-on, action combat games. Personally I am a fan of the dpad weapon swap in this kind of game. Every one is entitled to their own opinions about things but I feel as though it is certainly not such a negative thing that it "should have died with dark souls 1". Just like you mentioned later in the video there are trade offs for design decisions and it isn't that simple.
My largest gripe with the combat of this series is that the dodge feels incredibly unreliable, and the enemy attacks can feel extremely magnetic (locks on to you to an unreasonable extent) and floaty. I love souls games, and enjoyed sekiro (even while it beat the dodge focused gameplay out of me and I learned to stop relying on it). I am not against struggle and overcoming difficulty, but with the level of refinement of the combat in this series often find myself enjoying it much more after having given up on trying to play it on the harder difficulty settings, as failure in this game far more often feels unjust when compared to other games.
i think the best thing to add for the 3rd game (and some may disagree, i understand how it can work but also how it can’t) would be to add more player choice. go the Black Ops 2 route and give Cal the option to kill or spare certain story characters and add multiple endings to the canon. could be really troublesome but also could be cool.
i think it would be cool but i’d rather the studio focus on making one good story / ending, and not a lot of okay branching paths
Yeah no hate to disagree but they wouldn’t take resources from the opening of the game. With the depressing stats for proportion of players who even get to half way points let alone finish games - openings are crucial
Excellent review. Thanks!
I loved this game and actually agreed and appreciated this video. But the idea that the Probe droids are hard to fight and "Force pull resistant" is ludicrous. They are very easy to force pull and hack/kill. You can even damage them, grab and throw them as a bomb at enemies. And yes, I played this game through on Knight and Master so I wasn't on Easy mode.
Will there be a 3rd title? With Ubisoft having the rights now.
The hype hasn't died down...
Stig should watch this video
The second jump lag and lack of animation canceling is SUPER annoying even still, 3 weeks later with over 100 hours into the game and more than two play throughs. The jump input is the most frustrating part though, that one little mechanic alone had me almost rage quit the game when I'd spend about an hour trying to complete one of those obstacle course Force Tears, and there were two really hard ones, each took at least an hour. Too many times I thought I inputted the command to double jump correctly in the middle of high intensity and fast paced traversal set piece, only to have Cal half-ass a bunny hop and fall to his death and force me to start all over again from the beginning.
Aside from this, it feels outrageous that there HAS to be a definitive animation for BD to toss Cal a stem, Cal to catch it, and jab it in his arm in order to heal. Sure there's a skill you can unlock pretty early that makes this animation play out faster, but even that often times takes way too long when you're in a pinch fighting three bosses at once. What's even worse about it is that it almost always gets interrupted, if Cal gets hit during the healing animation, it won't complete the process and 9 times out of 10, this gets you killed. In order to heal in this game, you have to basically stop moving completely, press the heal button, and let the animation play out in it's entirety in order to receive the heal. If you try to quickly weave attacks in between the heal command, Cal interrupts his own healing process and the animation won't finish, resulting in another dead Cal. Your only option is to back as far away from any enemies as possible and pray no one hits you as you attempt to heal, but this too is problematic because most of the bosses in this game are LARGE and cover great distances very quickly. The only real solution I found to this massive and ridiculous issue, is to double jump away from the enemy and press the heal button while in the air. Then insert double jump lag timer and chuck your controller across the room out of frustration.
Those two issues are my only real frustrations with the game though. I still cannot quit playing it and have a blast with it. Respawn just desperately needs to change these two things in the third game. Other than that, this is one of my favorite games of all time even though I know it's not perfect, and I cannot wait for what's next.
Maybe the stances can work like in prototype, where you can hold the button tho pull up a window to change your stances on the fly
This is a thoroughly excellent critique. Well thought out, and though I don't agree with everything you have to say (1. I much preferred Fallen Order's tight level design (though NOT the backtracking) to Survivor's overlarge empty aimlessness and 2. especially regarding needing to open the map to see how to progress - I find Survivor much more of an offender here than Fallen Order), you've done a much better job of articulating where I felt the game came up short than I ever could.
Thanks for watching my dude
Is this the 2nd game that just came out? Im not excited about this for some reason. Id rather play on the empires side lol
The game is really fun, and small spoiler:
cal does embrace the darkness a bit near the end
I really appreciate a lot of your points about combat, in particular, the stance switching and what the realistic difficulties it presents. You also make a great point about off-screen indicators in GoW and how helpful some form of that system should be included in the sequel. They could leverage BD to make callouts and maybe have him move left and right to signal an attack is incoming. Just a thought, not fleshed out. Attacks from the rear would still be difficult to perceive.
One thing you may have missed in Jedi Survivor, one stance DOES allow attack-cancels and it's the dual-wield stance. You can dodge and parry mid-attack. It might be the best stance in the game due to this. I would like to see this come to the other stance.
The force could be a way to implement the GOW off screen indicators thing considering that’s like one of the first things we learn about it, small precognition that allows them to deflect blaster bolts.
@@isplat927 absolutely. I think the reason they don’t do visual indicators similar to GoW is visual clutter. The Jedi series has a very clean/simple aesthetic. If you suddenly implement directional indicators like GoW, that directly conflicts with their style. That was why I suggested BD. It would maintain their visual style while still communicating important info to the player.
The Force makes much more sense from a lore perspective, but representing a warning through the Force would be tricky.
Just once I'd like to see a piece of Star Wars media that DOESN'T feature a desert.
Fallen Order...
@@Dass_Jennir Oh fr?
How can you say that Skill points don’t effect stats? There’s one that says you gain more life or force. That’s how many moves you can do and hits you take
Okay. Rather than the level and world design improving, I think this is more of a case of you in particular getting better at reading the developer's intent.
I've been playing the game myself on top of watching a handful of streamers play the game as well. The level design is actually still pretty unintuitive. They have to constantly try to find their way and read the minimap over and over. I absolutely don't think the world is better designed at all. At the very least, I found myself going back to the minimap every time I cleared a mob.
The only time I opened that map was to find loot. You could clearly see directions to go in while traveling through the stages. It wasnt very hard if you just looked for your next platforming opportunity
16:30 now that is simply not true. There is A LOT of direct player power and LIGHTSABER DAMAGE in the skill tree. The tool tips even tell you that.
Which ones may I ask? Because aside from some moves that hit more or harder I don't recall a straight up damage upgrade....
@@ArcNine9Angel there are perks which increase Lightsaber damage with some trade offs, I think OP just confused it with the skills when writing.
I think you are too forgiving of the lack of environmental variety in this game, I found that aspect really disappointing. Big step back from Fallen Order in that regard IMO
Does anyone know why the arachnophobia option was in the game? I don't remember seeing a single spider. And yes, I made sure the setting was turned off, lol.
Not far into the video just yet. But I don't think a detailed explanation of why the group split is necessary tbh. Sometimes people just need different things. As the game progresses it seems pretty clear that Greeze, Cere and Merrin wanted to move on and find a place for themselves in the galaxy. And Cal needed to be in the trenches, because fighting the empire is the only thing he felt he could and should be doing. The other three couldn't stay by his side and get what they wanted/needed so they went their seperate ways. It never seems like they ended on terrible terms, because there's no hostility in anyone. It's more like they all regret needing to go their own ways.
The only gripe I have with this game is the PC performance, but that's a huge issue. It is basically unplayable on PC which is pretty bad for a $70 USD game that's been out for weeks now. I suspect a lot of people are going to be leery of pre-ordering future EA titles after this disaster.
Best Villain in a Star Wars game? You haven't played KOTOR2 have you? Because I raise you one Kreia!