Sorry, I couldn't get back to every comment that asks for what mods I'm using in the video. Here are the mods that I see the most questions for (All mods can be found on the Steam Workshop): HUD - "Enhanced Blood Splatter Overlay" by TacoVFX // "Left Vertical HUD" by Vilinsecto Weapon Animations - "Left 4 Dead 1 + 2 Animations Remix" Collection by Querentin Pump Shotgun- "Mossberg 500 Persuader [RNG Shells] (Wooden Shotgun)" by 8sianDude Spas - "Juniez's SPAS-12 (Half-Life 2)" by ihcorochris Auto Shotgun - "Killing Floor Combat Shotgun" by Salad Thank you to the amazing L4D2 mod community that still goes strong to this day.
just a quick note: the magnum basically becomes your best friend on expert realism, since you can reliably one-shot any common you see, from any range, and even behind walls or other commons, and lets you use your primary weapon as a special infected killer instead
I haven’t played L4D2 in years, but one thing I always loved about it was how I never felt forced to use the best weapons all the time. I would usually just pick weapons based on what I felt like using, unless a certain section really benefitted from a certain gun.
exactly, i actually enjoyed using M16 more out of the assault rifles cos it has very fast fire rate, so if its a horde section of a map i'll use adrenaline and just spray the M16 rather than 3-round burst Scar or slower fire rate AK
@@Vodka_Reloaded no shit, but unless he's running away from a horde (when its generally better to stay put and position yourself) or trying to heal/pickup, there's no reason to use adrenaline.
The hilarious thing about the censored versions of L4D2 was that you could literally go into the games files, change a 1 to a 0, and it would be the normal uncensored version lmfao.
The SG scope firespeed is actually a blessing in disguise, since it lets you keep a sustaining fire on a horde, even headhunting, for longer. No inaccuracy to a spray, no blitzing 15 bullets in a microsecond of missed aim.
So, little bit of trivia I wanted to add since it wasn’t mentioned in the video: -The AWP actually has a super specific use in that it’s the only weapon in the entire game other than the grenade launcher that can one shot a jockey in the body -The SPAS’ reload is not *entirely* faster than the M1014/Auto Shotgun’s. The SPAS reloads all of its rounds at the same speed, whilst the M1014 reloads its first bullet slower, but any consecutive bullet reloaded is faster.
I'm pretty sure the AWP doesn't one-shot Jockey bodies -- it's 115 damage vs. 325 health. Are you thinking of Spitters? One-shotting Spitters is definitely the best thing about either bolt action rifle.
The M1014 I noticed has this delay on the first bullet to the second bullet (usually after reloading). It’s better to crowd control with it while the SPAS is better on tighter aiming and one-shots. I’ve always considered the M1014 as the Pump and the SPAS as the Chrome.
Dual wielding pistols interestingly have their own unique gimmick. Pistols have a tactical reload where your damage outputs better if you reload with one in the chamber still. Because there’s two pistols, dual wielding still suffers a reload penalty if you reload with one shot left as one of them is out of ammo. It’s a neat detail but it’s definitely a hinderance. The degals precision and damage combined with its 8 shot cap makes this incredibly manageable even in stressful situations. But the pistols are a pray and spray weapon. It’s inconvenient to remember you should only fire 28 shots when spewing damage out is your only upside.
I once had to fight a horde in Realism Exert with only a pair of pistols. Though I was incap after, I must say that they are quite effective as a semi-automatic weapon to thin out a horde (with headshots ofc)
@@aboveaveragebayleaf9216 ok but so is a baseball bat. The degal isn’t bad at this as well. I wish they just kept these as they were original. The pistols in 1 are effectively a primary with the cost crowd clearing capabilities compared to literally every other primary sans the sniper. I get you gotta make the other options appealing but the deagle was appealing enough because it was a pocket sniper.
also the fact that Pistol/dual wield and the Magnum in L4d2 are the only two weapons that valve ever made a full mag reload for them, and most of other weapons from valve games are empty reloads lol
Interestingly, the SG552 is the only weapon to get tweaked when added in the last stand update. It originally had a 30 round mag, but in the last stand it was thankfully given a 50 round mag.
@@btfo420 the knife by design sucks because of the swing pattern (when actually being used) but the small profile of it can actually trick someone into thinking it is adrenaline (i have fallen victim to that a few times already)
2 tips for shotguns- Pump/chrome- melee after every shot if you want to shoot multiple times. The delay between shots is drastically reduced by meleeing. It essentially deletes the pump animation All shotguns- melee after reloading, every shell. It actually goes faster. Reload, melee, reload, melee. In a rhythm
One thing I’ll say is that wider spread on shotguns can sometimes be good in a horde shooter like L4D because the pellets fan out more and cover more area, like if you have a cluster of infected coming your way and you have the standard autoshotty, 2 or 3 shots should clear out the entire thing, but with the more accurate SPAS-12, you’d need more as all the pellets concentrates on one infected at a time, but this mostly works on lower difficulties, and you did say that you play on expert and advanced, so I can definitely see why it’s a big con for you That being said, great video, it’s pretty well edited and I like how you included the upgraded versions, which most people would miss
@Cd767 Surprised no one mentioned this lol. 4 guys having different weapons with different utility is ideal. You need some combination of crowd control, range, and raw DPS. Too often I've been caught by smokers during playthroughs where everyone (understandably) wants to use a shotgun lol.
@@GuyGuysonHimself With a talented bunch of players I think 4 Auto Snipers are still the best way to finish the game. If all hit their shots you can one shot from anyrange while also spamming the tank with ease.
The hunting rifle also has way better moving accuracy than the military sniper, and with laser you can basically have perfect accuracy while moving, which is why I usually prefer the former over the latter. By the way, it is nice to see this list is not focused on versus only. I do recognize a few of these custom maps. Yama, Curse of Lazar Castle (there's also a tryhard version of that map called "Pesadelo no Castelo Lazar", so maybe it is that?) and others whose name I don't recall.
The Hunting Rifle is good but I dunno if I would place it in the same tier as the Sniper Rifle. The extra accuracy is nice, but horde killing is extremely important in Left 4 Dead and a 30-shot magazine is invaluable.
@@QuintessentialWalrus That's fair. I usually have a melee weapon as my secondary with the hunting rifle for that precise reason, leaving the hunting rifle for the SI and the melee for the CI. But I agree that the hunting rifle can be lacking without a melee secondary.
MR more ammo is way better than accuracy since you get perfect accuracy the instant you activate zoom, and if you have a laser sight the MR is way better since it's highly accurate and has 30 bullets. I do not think you can make any reasonable argument for taking the HR over the MR on any map unless the HR can be refreshed by picking up a new one instead of reloading it and the MR can't. Personally I would still keep the MR in that case and pick up an HR if I need ammo desperately.
Great tier list. I never noticed how incendiary and explosive rounds could make weapons worse. The Ak-47 has always been my favorite weapon, aesthetically and performance wise.. pretty sweet that it's the best gun. Btw, love your use of the Bully soundtrack.. and the Tekken Tag 2 credits theme at the end. ;)
I think a big downside to the scar is it’s atrocious reload time. It’s practically twice the length of the other ar’s for a minuscule 10-20 more shots. It’s definitely the worst weapon to be caught mid reload as at least snipers while reloading (faster still mind you) kinda slow are great ways to clear specials. The burst is also a little worthless outside of tanks and tends to hurt the gun. You can always manually burst fire the other rifles meaning this is a straight nerf (which is indisputable because early testing for the weapon had it as an automatic and that was deemed to strong) and is often just a waste of ammo for common infected the weaker specials.
The scar seems like a total realism weapon, since their 3 bullet shots is great for common infected, while AK47 and snipers have more trouble with common infected. Might be a good combination with melee weapon.
Oh how great the SCAR would be if the burst would work as burst fire is supposed to work. I.E. not firing three rounds, but firing up to three rounds. That the user could tap-fire at their own discretion. Honestly it's been a pet peeve of mine for a while due to how many games make the same mistake. And now that I've gotten into programming it has become even more frustrating due to understanding that programming a correctly working burst fire trigger should be even easier.
@@Killicon93 Since obviously they reused the code for famas from cs, other than maybe making the code more complicated just for a single gun, the only reason the scar can only shoot 3 rounds per click is for balance reasons. If you can tap fire the gun, as long as you click slower than the gun's actual fire rate (14 rounds per second), it's basically a very accurate full auto 60 round rifle that deals more damage than m16 and potentially faster fire rate than all rifles using macros of course (unless there's a kind of a limit which make the code even more complicated)
@@Phoenix.Sparkles the scar is also a horrible realism weapon, especially on expert realism. The forced bursting wastes ammo like a motherfucker and makes it harder to pinpoint help your allies without accidentally hitting them. Source: I play almost exclusively on expert realism.
@@Phoenix.SparklesIts the worst weapon to play realism on. The 3-round burst does not kill a common for starters. It has an abysmal firerate/power ratio. You never want to run a melee on realism, you take a magnum first chance you get.
The AK is definitely an all in one package, crouch spraying makes it almost as accurate as the m16, and the added spread on it makes it works almost like a ranged melee in clearing the path in rush events like the mall alarm and the coasters
Funny thing, my mouse happens to have an autoclick button built-in (who knows why, it says it's a double click button, but it makes auto clicks, anyway) and when you dual wield the pistols your rate of fire is actually how fast you press the mouse, in other words, with auto click i release the 30 bullets REALLY fast, it's almost a SMG
You are correct that the Scout has a faster rate of fire. If you examine the scripts for the latest update, the Scout's "Cycletime" or Rate of Fire is 0.9 seconds while the AWP's is 1.05, so it is slightly faster.
One other difference between the shotguns is the accuracy. The chrome shotgun has the tightest spread of all, and then it’s followed by the spas. Then there’s the pump and auto shotguns. The chrome shotgun has the tightest spread in the game and the auto has the widest. This makes the chrome and spas the best shotguns for crowning witches, as the tighter spread ensures that all of the pellets will hit her if you aim as close to the middle of her as possible. The shotguns of both tiers have the same reload speed when going from empty to full at 4.2 for the tier 1 shotguns and 4 for the tier 2 shotguns. Also the dual pistols reload slightly faster than reloading one pistol twice. The Magnum has the same reload speed as one pistol and will always one shot a common on any difficulty. (If you’re wondering, both of them reload at 1.6 seconds, and 2 empty, and the dual pistols reload at 2.33, and 2.5 empty. All pistols reload faster if you have one bullet or more left, and 2 or more left for dual pistols.)
silencer smg also prevents unaware zombies getting aware of ur presence when u kill other zombie from medium distance, also hunting rifle has high accuracy than the military sniper (without scope) however military sniper has infinite piercing power makes it useful to takeout the crowd rather quickly from the distance before they reach closer and hunting is great for long range headshot without using scope
You can reload the m60 by picking up incendiary ammo or explosive ammo as it gives you 150 bullets once more until it goes back to whatever the count was for your normal rounds.
@@mrrussian3534 ah dang, was that in the last stand update? Because that was my favorite thing to do when I happened to get the combo. Double the ammo was crazy strong
The SG552 is probably my most favorite weapon. It looks nice, it has good ammo, and it’s great for crowd control. It’s also sort of two weapons in one with the scope, turning it into a sniper rifle.
I always choose the hunting rifle over the military sniper. Accuracy while moving is better with the hunting rifle and the time that it takes the crosshairs to center after you stop running is slightly faster too. This makes a big difference.
I don't get why people so heavily prefer the military rifle when the hunting rifle has the two desirable traits of mobility and reload speed compared to the military rifle just being spammable
@@DannyCheezits Because it has double the mag size. Yeah it has a slower reload speed, but you only need to reload it half as much compare to the Hunting Rifle, which also means you get punished less for missing shots as you could just keep spaming. And reload speed matters a lot less when everything's dead, because you have double the mag. Of course, that's assuming you actually plan your reloads and not just spam the R key whenever you stop shooting. If you're a habitual reloader, then yeah you should probably put down the Military Sniper or learn to not press the R key just because there's one second of downtime and that you have 28 out of 30 bullets in your gun.
@@daddysempaichan i came around on this months ago and i honestly just think it depends on the map or gamemode. maps with long waiting sections with open sightlines (like the parish theatre gate) heavily favor the military rifle because of its bigger clip and identical accuracy while crouching but maps with more required movement in horde-situations like Dead Center's Toy Store favor the hunting rifle because of its better running aim and reload speed
10:10 The uzi is actually pretty accurate for me though, more than the silenced mac-10, a lot easier to chip away tank health or kill specials from a distance
I love the SCAR with magnum as secondary. The 3-round burst is often overkill against common infected outside of hordes, which the magnum easily compensates for, but the high damage output, accuracy and ammo reserves make it such a great special killer. Something that you didn't touch on is that with a lasersight, you effectively hold a 120 damage sniper rifle any time you crouch, making it perfect for sniping spitters and smokers across long sightlines.
I’m surprised the laser M16 was only in A tier. This has always been my top choice since 2011. With the laser its a headshot and horde eliminating machine. Paired with its lightning fast reload its easily one of the best overall weapons in the game.
as far as I know, part of why Germany and Australia had issues rating the game was because of the Riot Officer zombies. Attacking them was considered aggressive action against figures of authority/government officials, and as such created a major problem regarding the game's release. Those laws have only recently been relaxed, hence why Valve have been able to release a standard version across the board.
TBH it says in the lore that CEDA (a government-sanctioned agency) hired them from a security firm (a non-governmental, private (read: company) entity), kinda like mercenaries except their purpose is to keep peace but I can understand why they did want a censored version since it technically still enters the criteria of attacking authority figures.
That was germany and it was only one of the issues. The violence was the main issue in both countries. Australia lacked an R18+ rating for games (despite it existing for movies) because of bureaucracy, so the highest it could be rated was MA15+, which the gore in L4D2 was too egregious for. Australia later implemented an R18+ rating and the uncensored version was allowed to receive it. I know less about Germany's situation but IIRC germany was just had really strict rules for violence in video games at the time
Quick sidenote and bad news i think the 1 tap mechanic on Ak47 is now gone while testing animations for the Ak from the workshop. I noticed while testing that the 1 tap mechanic is now gone on SI now it takes 2 shots to kill (Jockey, Hunter, Smoker) and before it takes only 2 shots to take down a charger now it takes 3 idk test it yourself guys maybe its just a bug but if its a shadow nerf then pretty much Scar is on par with Ak now because scar can still 1 shot SI albeit its a burst shot and 3 bullets per shot as for the AK takes 2 bullets. Update: I did the math now it makes sense it was a bug after all. Correct me if I'm wrong but headshotting has a multiplier of 4x so if we take that to account means 58 x 4 = 232 and aside from the spitter who has 100hp. The hunter, smoker, jockey has above HP than the 232 damage bonus and now it makes sense why charger takes 3 bullets to kill headshot wise. the dude has 600hp so if you multiply 232 by 3 you get 696. Dunno just want to throw this out there if anyone starts wondering why the 1 tap AK doesn't exist no more
I always found the SSG 552 to actually deal more damage against tanks compared to other Tier 2 ARs when playing Tankhunters on a locally hosted server, it feels almost too powerful as I watch the mod that allows me to see the hp of the tank I'm shooting, even when I'm alone, just melt so harshly.
You're really underestimating the magnum. Besides it's usefulness in Expert Realism, it's a great gun for popping stragglers to conserve primary ammo and has way better accuracy than you'd expect when on the move or crouching. It's almost essential for effective shotgun usage and a great ammo saver for assault rifles. I'd put it in S tier instead of B.
Hitting headshots with the AWP has its own satisfying moment because it just about one shots anything that isn’t a tank. Outside a competitive standpoint, the AWP is my favorite
I'm curious about how people reload, cause I almost always reload before the magazine is empty, with shotgun being an exception. Do you wait till it is empty for bullets or do you reload whenever given the chance like me? It can definitely be a disaster to reload at the wrong time, but having only half a magazine while an SI chases you can be the difference between surviving or going down.
It definitely depends on the situation. If a Special Infected is chasing you, and you only have one bullet in the chamber and you believe you can reliably reload without getting charged/jockeyed/pounced, you should 100% go for it to live. If it's before a known crescendo event, like the Dark Carnival rollercoaster, you should 100% reload, ESPECIALLY on higher difficulties where commons can slap you down. (or if it's versus) If you're in a room being raided by a horde, you should not reload until either 1. you're out of ammo and need to reload, or 2. you have a shotgun, where you can cancel the animation at any time and shoot, (but its really damn finnicky for me).
It depends on the circumstances. If I’m with my group (plus points if they’re experienced), I’ll reload whenever I want to even during hordes because I know they have my back. If running separately or by twos, if I know there won’t be any threat within the next few seconds, I’ll reload to make sure I’m on full clip. For the SI, a buddy of mine can snipe the one at the distance, I can deal with the ones nearby. It’s all teamwork, really.
I'm a chronic reloader if there's little immediate threat nearby. Pop a common or two, using at most 4 bullets? Reload. Just finish off a SI? Reload. Middle of a horde, I'll reload when it clicks. Unless it's a gun that penalizes your reload time if it goes empty.
i played l4d2 recently for the first time in about 5ish + years and i saw the mp5 and was really confused how it was in the base game. i didnt realize they updated the game.
Remember that all ammo upgrades always give you extra ammo that might be handy in some circumstances and allow you to carry more ammo for some rare guns. From what you called not worth it, they do.
It's high price and reputation probably plays a big role in that. I've heard stories even from military guys in awe seeing one because they're rarely ever issued/used. And if they are, it's always in the hands of some nameless special forces guy in casual attire instead of the usual uniform. That's gotta add even more mystery and spectacle to the lore of the gun lol.
Tip for the grenade launcher; idk if this works with incendiary rounds but it does work with normals rounds and a gas can: If you throw the a gas can next to a witch and shoot them, stumbling the witch and setting her ablaze, she won’t attack you. For some reason she’ll just run aimlessly until she dies
fun fact: Australia got the uncensored version on PC at least before Christmas of 2021 ( A free download marked as DLC). I think this was part of a small trend of some games that were once censored or refuse of sale to now be uncensored and sold at least on Steam.
For me, incendiary upgrades are immediately one tier lower than base weapon because I have the glorious combination of shit eyesight, 14 inch monitor (gaming laptop, fps no problem), and slight oversensitivity to lights. With a game as dark as L4D, I can ignore muzzle flashes because they're near-instantaneous (and actually lights up the room when shooting), but once the incendiary bullet fires struck the only thing I can see on my screen is a mixture of orange and black.
After years of playing this game, I still find it hilarious that the M60 does less damage than the AK but can kill zombies in 1 shot regardless of difficulty because it gibs them. A similar situation applies with all sniper rifles compared to the Deagle, with the latter being able to kill zombies in 1 shot even on Expert Realism. Melee is fun and all but I never pass up on a Deagle in my playthroughs :3
Realism mode S+- Auto shotgun, Magnum, M60 (clears commons quickly) S- Ak 47 (High DPS) A- Pump shotgun, Grenade launcher (Slow but still able to 1shot commons) B- M16, SG552, MP5, Uzi, Mac-10 (Aim for headshot) C- Dual pistols, Scar (Harder to land headshots with) D- Military Sniper (Can't 1shot commons, but its high mag size and pen. power saves it) E- Hunting rifle, Scout, Awp (You're better off using melee weapons)
Wow, I basically agree with all of this. Yeah snipers fall off HARD in realism. One of the biggest strengths of a sniper is it's ability to take out commons are basically unrivaled, but you take that away in realism and it basically just becomes a safe way to take out SI's from a distance and that's about it.
What I like about L4D is that while yes there are statistically good, meh, and bad weapons pretty much every weapon is fun, usable and interchangeable except when it comes to tank damage. This fact makes the game much more replayable and less boring because you get to try out every weapon combo in the game. A lot of times I just find myself choosing whatever weapon I'm feeling like using rather than always picking the same weapon just because its the best.
Also, I would make a Left 4 Dead 5, with 4 characters from Dallas Texas, who would be - David: A young teenage boy, he is 17 years old, black, he is like 6 feet tall, he has a white shirt with a red line across it, like from his upper right chest down to his left hip, and above that line would be the King, from like cards with red dimonds around him, and below that same red line would be the Queen, from cards with black spades around her, and he has a black jacket, and blue jeans, and red, white, and black shoes, and he has a pointy hair style, like what looks like dreadlocks, but short and they only stick up in every direction, he is good at focusing and dealing with people, and he listens and is willing to listen, he can be hard-headed at times, but he gets serious at times when it calls for it, and he is there for his team Kaliea: A young teenage girl, she is 16 years old, black, she is 5 foot 7, she has a purple short sleeve shirt with golden glittery things around her chest area, and she as a light black short sleeve cover, like a jacket, but it has no zipper, and it looks like it is netted, with like spacing and stuff like that, and she wears skinny dark blue jeans, and high heel boots, and she has short brown hair down to her shoulders, and she has eye liner, and other sorts of makeup, and lipstick, and she is well mannered, and she tries to keep it together although she is scared, but she functions better with her team, and she is a team player, and she sticks with and is there for her team. (David and Kaliea are a couple, and they are good people, like David worked at movie theater, and he had part time jobs before that, and he is alright in school, and he was a former boyscout and camper, so he can opperate in some things, like the woods and things like that, and Kaliea is very good in school, she gets mainly straight A's most of the time, and was pursuing a legal career, and she used to babysit people and her younger brothers and sister, so she is good with dealing with people, and under stress) Abriann: He is a young teenage boy, he is 17 years old, black, he is 6 foot 1, and he wears a red short sleeve shirt with white lines up and down and a small blue shield on the upper right chestal area, but he also has that short sleeve shirt over a long sleeve white shirt, and he wears jeans, and white shoes with red trims, and he is knowledgeable and understanding, and he comes up with some ideas to help the team, and he is there for his team. Dainnia: She is a teenage girl, she is 17 years old, black, she is 5 foot 7, she always tries to look on the bright side of things, and she tries to keep the team together, and she keeps with her team, and she is there for her team, and she can becomes strong willed, confident, and serious when push comes to shove, she wears a green lepord pattern short sleeve shirt, with tight light purple pants, and short high heel boots with like fur on the ankle part, and she has eye liner and other makeup, and purple lipstick, and she has long black hair, and she has golden water droplet earrings. (Abriann and Dainnia are a couple and they are good people, Abriann is a good student, he gets mostly B's, he does not have any job, but he is knowledgeable about things like cars, because he always liked cars, and he used to help at his uncle's mechanic shop, and he also used to help his dad with the car, so he is knowledgeable about manual labor, and he used to take care of his little brother so he can deal with people and comfort them to an extent, and Diannia is a good student, with A's and B's and she is knowledgeable on many things like science and math, and she has knowledge about some other languages, history, locations, laws, and other useful things) The go through the states, from Texas up, going through the middle of the United States, and then around to like New York, and other states like that, and they are a young, but strong and knowledgeable team who can overcome anything together. Left 4 Dead 3 would be from 2012 to 2011 Left 4 Dead 4 would be 2015 to 2016 Left 4 Dead 5 would be in modern day
For the M16, I wanna add another CON: You use up the ammo pretty quickly. It only seems to happen with this weapon, not anything else, but I do avoid Tier-1 SMG's so eh. They're probably the same. You can find Tier-2 weapons pretty fast after all, so that must be why I don't burn through Tier-1 SMG's quickly. Edit: Also, the Auto-Shotgun only does 1 more damage than the SPAS-12? Well that sums it up pretty quickly, the SPAS 12 is better, because it reloads faster. 1 damage point won't change anything really.
The Tier 1 SMGs also burn through ammo real quick, but still not as fast as the M16, probably due to the much higher reserve. But same as you, the M16 is the only gun I consistently always seem to run low on ammo with.
Agreed with that, but honestly as long as you're good at ammo conservation the T1 smgs ammo can last a good while. The silenced smg is imo slightly better than the M16.
@@TheDemonChara Yes, and I'm not that good with ammo conservation bc I just don't use them at all in fear of wasting ammo. I mainly use it to kill Special Infected & the bosses.💀
I mostly play L4D in Advance Realism, and in my opinion the weapon tiers would just change slightly. I would only bump up the pistols a bit higher since you could kill super quickly if you can aim headshots constantly. However, I understand if people see it as too much effort for something that they could do with other easier weapons.
I’m sorry but for me the M16 is the best primary. The reload is so fast especially if you don’t have to chamber a round. The military sniper, I find reloading it is always a little too long when enemies are surrounding you. When you get the laser sight on the M16, I rarely ever go down. I also consider the Deagle to be a must have. Helps you ration your primary and the reload is rather quick.
I personally prefer the hunting rifle over the big G3 sniper specifically for the accuracy while moving. I saw in your footage that you hold the walk button when using it and i think that's probably the best way to use it until you get a laser sight and can run and gun with it. In my opinion i believe you downplay the accuracy difference a little too much, but great video!
Excellent video man!! You’ve 100% earned a sub from me and if you keep this level of quality up, I’m sure you’re gonna blow up! The only critique I have is that the audio can sound very weird sometimes and your delivery makes things sound like they’ve been pre recorded and spliced together. But that wasn’t anything bad enough to take from the overall viewing experience, I enjoyed this video big time!
I wish that there was a Left 4 Dead 3 man. If I made the Left 4 Dead series, here is what I would do next. I would make Left 4 Dead 3 -- the characters would be a members of a university in Philadelphia, there will be the 4 characters; McGiaver: A professor, he is white, 5 foot 9, like 32 years old, kind of has a gut, but not that fat, he has a checkered light blue and white button up shirt with a red tie, and black dress pants, a slick-back hair style with red framed glasses, and kind of a long face, he has a kind of trying to be tough persona, but he does want to be there and do what's best for the team, and he will be there for his team. Alice: A young freshman female student who is white, 5 foot 6, 18 years old, has a black and blue stripped sweater, (stripes going from left to right, or horizontal), blonde hair to her shoulders, glasses, a wide nose, (I don't know why I thought of that), she wears joggers, and skinny jeans, she is shy and scared of the situations, so she is clingy with her teammates and she looks at them for support, but she will not hesitate to retaliate and shoot if her or her teammates are in danger. George: A security guard who is black, 5 foot 8, 47 years old, is fat, like a little fatter than Coach, he has a white uniform on with a name tag, and his shirt says "Campus security" and he has a radio on his right shoulder, and like dark blue pants with a silver line down the sides of them, with what looks like a utility belt of standard security gear, although there is nothing in any of them, and he has a very serious attitude and is determined to tell people off and put them in line if they ever step out of line, but he tries to hold the team together. Rodney: A skinny boy, 5 foot 7, he is 20 years old, he is like a delinquent drinking and using drugs, and partying, just a delinquent college kid, so he has kind of an attitude, kind of like Nick, even worse than Nick, he has long curly black hair, and a light green shirt, with like a picture of a grizzly bear on it with red words in cursif saying "Hunter" with a black sleeveless jacket, with the zipper open, and brown shorts with like 6 pockets, and he wears black shoes with a red trim on the sides -- They start at the university, and the university has football players, so they keep fit, and they work out on their legs, like running and stuff, so there would be a mutation where it is the early charger designs, but a hunched over figure, a big head with increased bone structure to ram into things, arms on the sides like a dinosaur, and big legs that just let it make sharp turns and things like that, like if you turn a corner it will immediately follow you swiftly and make those sharp turns everywhere. And so they go down through like Georgia and Florida and places like that to get to New Orleans, and they go to beach resorts, and farms, and woods, and things like that. Like going on the docks at Miami, calling it "Dead Sea" or "Peer Pressure" or things like that, and through all of the resort buildings, and then on a farm, to the barn and then running through the woods behind them. Next I would make Left 4 Dead 4, and that would be like -- The characters would be city occupants from California; Malinda: A police officer, she is a hot blonde, pointy nose, (I don't know how I came up with that), hair length to like the middle of her back, and she has two bands of hair on each of the sides of her head slinked on her shoulders, she is 5 foot 11, 42 years old, has a black police uniform, a round star badge, a radio on her right shoulder piece, and a police utility belt on her uniform, she is serious at times when it calls for seriousness, but she can also be gentle to her teammates. Orion Barn The 2nd: A small time crook, he is skinny, black, 5 foot 6, 18 years old, he has a black beanie on his head, he has a white shirt with the picture of a sunrise on it, with green italics saying "Sun shine" he has a leather biker style jacket over that, he has black jeans, he wears black and white shoes, and he has a fingerless glove with spikes on his right hand, and a glove with only a finger slot on his index finger for his left hand, he is a wild person, always saying something, even in the most inappropriate of times, and sometimes he acts like he wants to leave, but when push comes to shove he is there for his team. Jancarlos: A construction worker, he is 5 foot 9, 27 years old, decent weight, he is spanish, he has a light mustache, like it is just growing in, he might have a small mole on his left check, he wears construction suits, like a red shirt with a contruction vest over it, he wears a white hard hat, white shoes, and jeans, and he is a team player, relying on his teammates, and being there for his teammates, because he believes that sticking together will help them to survive, and he is able to use a sludge hammer as a malee weapon. José: A taxi driver, he is spanish, he is 5 foot 9, 31 years old, decent weight, and he has like a red long sleeve sweater, and skinny cackies, with white shoes, he is a team player and is there for his teammates, but he will put people in their place if they get out of line -- They all have to go around the United States, because the states closest to them are blocked off from public access by the military and stuff like that, so they have to go around through upper states by Canada, like Michigan, and moving around to New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Philadelphia, Georgia, Florida, and so on until they get to Texas, and they do through buildings, subway stations, train stations, some gated communities, other suburbs like areas, police stations for like guns and stuff, a little bit of everything. And I would make special zombies, like... Sick zombies. Like if someone had the flu, or a cold, or mainly mucus, like how mucus becomes bronchitis, where it becomes thick and sticky, and give that to a zombie, like both males and females and they have runny noses and big looking pimples or sores with puss or the mucus, and things like that and they can sneeze and spit out this sticky, gooey, thick yellowish-green mucus, and the mucus won't hurt survivors, it will just slow them down, like when you are on low health and you becomes slow, it has that effect, just you could be at full health and the gooey mucus just slows down your moment to that extent for about 5 to 7 seconds, during which common infected can catch up faster and beat up the survivor who has been covered in the mucus, and that sticky mucus can going into and gam guns and chainsaws, so it can also relinquish survivors of their weapons, however malee weapons like bats, axes, swords, machetes, and crowbars, won't have that kind of effect, and should you kill one at close range it will explode, a little like the boomer, except you will get covered in the sticky mucus and that will trap the survivor in a vulnerable state, like where they cannot move at all, they can't pull out any weapons, they are just stuck to either the floor or walls, and this will last for 20 seconds, and during that time other normal infected can beat up the survivors, but burning acid from a sitter would dissolve the gooey mucus if a spitter spits on someone who is already trapped in mucus. And like if these sick zombies are seen, they will behave kind of like common infected, staggering around the place, but it will be sneezing almost all of the time, and releasing some of the sticky, gooey mucus onto the floor or walls, depending on where it is sneezing. Tell me what you all think.
Also, I would make a Left 4 Dead 5, with 4 characters from Dallas Texas, who would be - David: A young teenage boy, he is 17 years old, black, he is like 6 feet tall, he has a white shirt with a red line across it, like from his upper right chest down to his left hip, and above that line would be the King, from like cards with red dimonds around him, and below that same red line would be the Queen, from cards with black spades around her, and he has a black jacket, and blue jeans, and red, white, and black shoes, and he has a pointy hair style, like what looks like dreadlocks, but short and they only stick up in every direction, he is good at focusing and dealing with people, and he listens and is willing to listen, he can be hard-headed at times, but he gets serious at times when it calls for it, and he is there for his team Kaliea: A young teenage girl, she is 16 years old, black, she is 5 foot 7, she has a purple short sleeve shirt with golden glittery things around her chest area, and she as a light black short sleeve cover, like a jacket, but it has no zipper, and it looks like it is netted, with like spacing and stuff like that, and she wears skinny dark blue jeans, and high heel boots, and she has short brown hair down to her shoulders, and she has eye liner, and other sorts of makeup, and lipstick, and she is well mannered, and she tries to keep it together although she is scared, but she functions better with her team, and she is a team player, and she sticks with and is there for her team. (David and Kaliea are a couple, and they are good people, like David worked at movie theater, and he had part time jobs before that, and he is alright in school, and he was a former boyscout and camper, so he can opperate in some things, like the woods and things like that, and Kaliea is very good in school, she gets mainly straight A's most of the time, and was pursuing a legal career, and she used to babysit people and her younger brothers and sister, so she is good with dealing with people, and under stress) Abriann: He is a young teenage boy, he is 17 years old, black, he is 6 foot 1, and he wears a red short sleeve shirt with white lines up and down and a small blue shield on the upper right chestal area, but he also has that short sleeve shirt over a long sleeve white shirt, and he wears jeans, and white shoes with red trims, and he is knowledgeable and understanding, and he comes up with some ideas to help the team, and he is there for his team. Dainnia: She is a teenage girl, she is 17 years old, black, she is 5 foot 7, she always tries to look on the bright side of things, and she tries to keep the team together, and she keeps with her team, and she is there for her team, and she can becomes strong willed, confident, and serious when push comes to shove, she wears a green lepord pattern short sleeve shirt, with tight light purple pants, and short high heel boots with like fur on the ankle part, and she has eye liner and other makeup, and purple lipstick, and she has long black hair, and she has golden water droplet earrings. (Abriann and Dainnia are a couple and they are good people, Abriann is a good student, he gets mostly B's, he does not have any job, but he is knowledgeable about things like cars, because he always liked cars, and he used to help at his uncle's mechanic shop, and he also used to help his dad with the car, so he is knowledgeable about manual labor, and he used to take care of his little brother so he can deal with people and comfort them to an extent, and Diannia is a good student, with A's and B's and she is knowledgeable on many things like science and math, and she has knowledge about some other languages, history, locations, laws, and other useful things) The go through the states, from Texas up, going through the middle of the United States, and then around to like New York, and other states like that, and they are a young, but strong and knowledgeable team who can overcome anything together. Left 4 Dead 3 would be from 2012 to 2011 Left 4 Dead 4 would be 2015 to 2016 Left 4 Dead 5 would be in modern day
Also the M16 and the SG552 are basically the same, the only difference is that the SG reloads a bit slower and has a scope but it doesnt really matter since M16 is already pretty accurate.
Maybe I missed it but I think you forgot to mention the Silenced SMG is less accurate than the Uzi, so it's not a straight upgrade. EDIT: Aaahh you also forgot to mention the Hunting Rifle has better accuracy than the Sniper Rifle :(
the snipers biggest weakness is bad close quarters damage, having a big clip reduces the chances that commons will bridge the gap which in my opinion always beats out the slight accuracy increase
@@QuintessentialWalrus „high damage” don’t go too far on that buddy. The silenced SMG is imo the worst weapon you could possibly find if we don’t count those shitty bolt action snipers
Excellent tier list! I play expert realism almost exclusively and so my list would look only slightly different from this one (namely the magnum would skyrocket to S+). Im glad to see this game still getting the love it deserves
the magnum is also just generally good in any difficulty, if you can kill hordes with your primary you don't need a melee. Melees are only needed when your team sucks at clearing you and your surrounded by commons.
@@DannyCheezits The magnum on easy is only useful against specials. The pistols can also oneshot commons, have a higher rof and quadruple the ammo capacity. But it does become more and more useful on high difficulties.
its situational tbh but on expert, pipe bombs are often better if you're playing with a full human team molotovs are better if you're with no other human players who can pick up other throwables
If you want a better understanding on how melee weapons work and what the worst one is, definitely check out S4videos "Why the knife is the worst melee weapon." He shows all the melee weapons swing intervals, damage arc , and other pros/cons of the weapons.
This video just popped up in my feed ... god damn those times of L4D are truly a pleasure to remember. Met so many people through this game, people I still talk with today. Made friends I even met and lived with for 4 years together... As you might've guessed this game is special for me (8000+ hours played on L4D1 and around 4000 hours on L4D2 speaks for itself) There is no other game for a friendly 4v4. All the best strategies, chokepoins of every map, I still remember it all even though I've not played either of those games for a long time now... It would be nice, to get the old group back together, piss each other off by rushing the living fuck out of No Mercy as Survivors. All those glitches and bug abuse, while trashtalking each other and having a blast ... God damn, one day I believe we'll have time and play even a single game of versus 4v4 like we did years back. It's crazy to think, we started playing the game as kids and now we have families of our own, houses and cars to pay for, seeing each other once a year to have one of the best days that year can offer... FUCK I love L4D series.
Not sure if you'll see this since it's an old-ish video, but mad respect for the profile picture. Been seeing a lot more Sly Cooper pop up on the internet lately and I love it
Very in depth and informative video. I can tell a lot of time and thought went into this project. As someone who almost always exclusively used the M16 and the Scar, I'll be sure to consider trying out the AK sometime! I would love to see a similar tier list video from you, but for melee weapons! I know that certain ones swing a lot slower like the frying pan, but I'm sure factors like range can also play a role in deciding which one to use.
I haven't played L4D2 in about 10 years. I loved the AK and hunting rifle and swore by them. I was considered bad for using the 'weak' AK by my friends back then, even if the gun handles amazing and made me main AK in every shooter since for a few years. I might reinstall L4D2 sometime.
In my opinion only: As a melee user ALL melee weapons for me is a S+ tier (except for the chainsaw) ... All AR and SR is A tier. All Shotguns is S tier because I'm really good at crowning a witch and killing all zombies in the head. M60 has a limited amount of ammo 150 only so it's not that good D tier. Pistols and smg's are B tier. No E tier or F tier for me because i hate getting E and F letters
I’m 90% sure that the scout’s different firing rate is due to a faster rate when clicking repeatedly, and slower rate when holding down the fire button. Or the other way around but it’s definitely because of that.
I had a feeling the AK47 would rank very well, as it does for me as well, it's my favorite weapon in L4D2. I figured it had a bit more kick than other ARs, but not to that extent. ARs are my favorite class of weapon, and the reason why the AK wins for me isn't the extra power per shot (though that is a lovely bonus), it's the slower rate of fire than the others. I like knowing that I can truly control my ammo count as I'm firing, so that puts it on top.
I always felt like the hunting rifle had a faster reload than the military rifle. It might just be me, but it’s what makes me choose the hunting rifle over the other.
when i play left 4 dead with my friends afterschool back in my school years, the SCAR and AK are my go to weapons. The AK is just so good at mowing down hordes that are right at your face while scar lets you "Harvest more meat" per mag because the burst mode ensures you waste less bullet on misses.
Just for reference for future graphics: pure colour codes can be hard for colour blind people to read. I’d recommend some sort of graphic or pattern to denote the different types of upgrades. You could also choose colours that would contrast well even in greyscale (lowest common denominator; most colour blind people can still see colours), but it’s still not ideal.
I actually prefer the AWP to any other weapon in the game. Especially with laser. While the laser is essentially inconsequential on the awp, I really just prefer it cause of the skin mod I have for the weapon. I also just like bolt action rifles, just my preference though.
@@fangzu612 guitar is functionally identical to the axe minus the ability to cut smoker tongues. golf club just feels kinda... boring. i've noticed it also tends to just miss swings fairly often.
I pick the hunting rifle over the military sniper in different scenarios, the hunting rifle for me has great walking accuracy compared to the military sniper. I mainly use miltiary sniper for camping
I prefer the hunting rifle for running crescendo events and the military sniper for finales. I guess the military sniper is also better for the regular travel and tank fights though.
You're absolutely so wrong about [X, Y, Z], I can't believe you'd say that weapon is above [A, B, C]! In seriousness, this was a well-made video! A couple of criticisms, if I may: 1. This seems overly aimed at Versus play. I watch a lot of challenge runs and speedruns, and in those, players almost always go for a Combat Shotty the moment they see one and never look back. Perhaps because the movement patterns of the AI are easier to track than human players, so the extra accuracy afforded by the AK47 isn't as needed? 2. It's not very beginner-friendly to make a tutorial video in which your game is littered with unfamiliar mods. XD Nothing against mods whatsoever of course, but it certainly doesn't help make the info you're presenting any easier to digest. Just a suggestion in case you make any future tutorial videos. :) 3. No melee weapons? I know this says "firearm" tier list, but it feels weird to leave those out to me. 4. Lmao you ran out of ammo during the section where you said the Combat Rifle has "near-endless" ammo. XD I just thought that was funny. Unfortunate choice of supporting footage, but I know from experience that you're not wrong lol. Overall I enjoyed this greatly and look forward to any future L4D2 content from ya! I wanted to say something else too, but I've forgotten it. If I remember, I'll edit this comment later LOL
Finally finished this video and loved it! I've been playing L4D2 for over a decade and I mostly agree with this list, especially putting the laser sight AK47 at number 1. And yet, I have a few gripes... -Single pistol is definitely the worst gun in the game, but no way in hell are dual pistols worse than the bolt action snipers. At minimum I would move them up to the bottom of B-tier just below the Uzi. Dual pistols are significantly more reliable and effective than the bolt actions in almost every situation. -The Hunting Rifle is good but it should NOT be right below the Sniper Rifle. The extra accuracy is nice but in a horde shooter it's nothing compared to a 30-shot magazine. I would honestly move it down a tier, maybe even the bottom of A-tier. -The Grenade Launcher needs to get down from there before it falls and hurts itself! I respect you for believing in it, but IMO that's a C-tier weapon at most. Left 4 Dead is full of cramped spaces, most enemies in the game want to get close to you, the friendly damage is crazy on high difficulties, and it's not even that good at killing specials. Not remotely worth it. -Putting the Combat Rifle a tier above the M16 irks me, those guns feel like they're about the same in terms of effectiveness. Honestly, I think I'd even say the M16 is better because of the reload speed difference. I'm guessing melee weapons will be a separate tier list video, but where would you put "melees" in general on this list? I don't think they're as good as the magnum but they're usually better than dual pistols. All three secondary choices are great depending on the map though.
One thing I discovered that no one else seemed to mention is that explosive ammo's splash radius gets larger the more damage a weapon deals. On an SMG, missing seems to barely stumble surrounding infected maybe remove one arm on one nearby guy, but give it to an AWP and aim at their feet, the entire pack of commons just evaporate. Special ammo also lacks overpenetration, so you cannot shoot through walls and objects when it is active, and its ability to penetrate zombies is reduced. The snipers and the magnum also don't appear to have a limit on how many zombies it could shoot through, which is a lifesaver when fighting hordes in narrow spaces. The explosion from the pipe bomb and grenade launcher cannot stagger a Tank. However, the explosion from a nearby Boomer _will._ Applying stagger to a Tank will also interrupt its rock throw attack, but _not_ the animation. Instead it will play the stagger animation after finishing the rock throwing one, giving effectively double time to apply damage up close.
As a pro player of Realism Expert and Mutations, I have to say that this tier list is very wrong. The problem is, Left 4 Dead 2 have more than one meta game, Campaign/Mutations, Survival, Versus/Scavenge, wich meta game has your best weapons. An example is the Pistol Magnum, Pistol Magnum in Realism Expert or above is one of the best weapon in the game.
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Sorry, I couldn't get back to every comment that asks for what mods I'm using in the video.
Here are the mods that I see the most questions for (All mods can be found on the Steam Workshop):
HUD - "Enhanced Blood Splatter Overlay" by TacoVFX // "Left Vertical HUD" by Vilinsecto
Weapon Animations - "Left 4 Dead 1 + 2 Animations Remix" Collection by Querentin
Pump Shotgun- "Mossberg 500 Persuader [RNG Shells] (Wooden Shotgun)" by 8sianDude
Spas - "Juniez's SPAS-12 (Half-Life 2)" by ihcorochris
Auto Shotgun - "Killing Floor Combat Shotgun" by Salad
Thank you to the amazing L4D2 mod community that still goes strong to this day.
what map where you playing around 2:30 and 7:30
@@Lncphblt Precinct-84 & No Continuity. Both amazing maps on the Steam Workshop
May i ask what reanimation mods you use? They look sexy
i honestly love the golden auto shotgun. thanks for answering.
What mod did you use that reskins the special infected?
just a quick note: the magnum basically becomes your best friend on expert realism, since you can reliably one-shot any common you see, from any range, and even behind walls or other commons, and lets you use your primary weapon as a special infected killer instead
Pistols go brrrr
but i tried expert realism and magnum took 2 shots per common infected
deagle is basically S+
can it? snipers can't one shot commons in realism(unless headshot), it'd be funny if the deagle can.
But... It doesn't...
I haven’t played L4D2 in years, but one thing I always loved about it was how I never felt forced to use the best weapons all the time. I would usually just pick weapons based on what I felt like using, unless a certain section really benefitted from a certain gun.
exactly, i actually enjoyed using M16 more out of the assault rifles cos it has very fast fire rate, so if its a horde section of a map i'll use adrenaline and just spray the M16 rather than 3-round burst Scar or slower fire rate AK
@@ibrahimozturk7 what's the adrenaline for? AK clears hordes much easier in higher difficulties in my experience
@@pivad1388 Speed
@@Vodka_Reloaded no shit, but unless he's running away from a horde (when its generally better to stay put and position yourself) or trying to heal/pickup, there's no reason to use adrenaline.
@@pivad1388 Don't ask dumb questions then get snarky about it. Should be obvious, Einstein
The hilarious thing about the censored versions of L4D2 was that you could literally go into the games files, change a 1 to a 0, and it would be the normal uncensored version lmfao.
That's only to comply with constitution, which many of them didn't much know about in-game text editor.
amazing loophole
Well, dont forget about the console versions.
@@chop25official you could probably just mod the game to have gore again if its as easy as changing 0 to 1
Good guy source engine
The SG scope firespeed is actually a blessing in disguise, since it lets you keep a sustaining fire on a horde, even headhunting, for longer. No inaccuracy to a spray, no blitzing 15 bullets in a microsecond of missed aim.
So, little bit of trivia I wanted to add since it wasn’t mentioned in the video:
-The AWP actually has a super specific use in that it’s the only weapon in the entire game other than the grenade launcher that can one shot a jockey in the body
-The SPAS’ reload is not *entirely* faster than the M1014/Auto Shotgun’s. The SPAS reloads all of its rounds at the same speed, whilst the M1014 reloads its first bullet slower, but any consecutive bullet reloaded is faster.
so if you have a good melee backup in a fair difficulty take the auto, otherwise take the combat?
I'm pretty sure the AWP doesn't one-shot Jockey bodies -- it's 115 damage vs. 325 health. Are you thinking of Spitters? One-shotting Spitters is definitely the best thing about either bolt action rifle.
The M1014 I noticed has this delay on the first bullet to the second bullet (usually after reloading). It’s better to crowd control with it while the SPAS is better on tighter aiming and one-shots.
I’ve always considered the M1014 as the Pump and the SPAS as the Chrome.
Weird, I could swear the AWP does like 120 damage but the Jockey has 350 HP, right?
@@Lucios1995 he's probably talking about spitters
10:13 that hunter headshot was gnarly
Cool, but why does the Hunter look like a Boomette?
It’s random, there are two models of boomers: boomers & boomettes.
@MichaelLorraintthat's another add on for the list lmao
Its a mod
Dual wielding pistols interestingly have their own unique gimmick. Pistols have a tactical reload where your damage outputs better if you reload with one in the chamber still. Because there’s two pistols, dual wielding still suffers a reload penalty if you reload with one shot left as one of them is out of ammo. It’s a neat detail but it’s definitely a hinderance. The degals precision and damage combined with its 8 shot cap makes this incredibly manageable even in stressful situations. But the pistols are a pray and spray weapon. It’s inconvenient to remember you should only fire 28 shots when spewing damage out is your only upside.
I find dual pistols pretty decent at thinning out hordes if you crouch and aim at head level.
I once had to fight a horde in Realism Exert with only a pair of pistols. Though I was incap after, I must say that they are quite effective as a semi-automatic weapon to thin out a horde (with headshots ofc)
@@aboveaveragebayleaf9216 ok but so is a baseball bat. The degal isn’t bad at this as well. I wish they just kept these as they were original. The pistols in 1 are effectively a primary with the cost crowd clearing capabilities compared to literally every other primary sans the sniper. I get you gotta make the other options appealing but the deagle was appealing enough because it was a pocket sniper.
also the fact that Pistol/dual wield and the Magnum in L4d2 are the only two weapons that valve ever made a full mag reload for them, and most of other weapons from valve games are empty reloads lol
I think dual pistols pretty much shoot as fast as you can click as well
Interestingly, the SG552 is the only weapon to get tweaked when added in the last stand update. It originally had a 30 round mag, but in the last stand it was thankfully given a 50 round mag.
don’t forget the knife
@@whatintarnationwhuuuut the knife got nerfed though. Kinda sucks to use now
Ja
@@btfo420 the knife by design sucks because of the swing pattern (when actually being used) but the small profile of it can actually trick someone into thinking it is adrenaline (i have fallen victim to that a few times already)
@@btfo420It was atrocious to use to begin with.
2 tips for shotguns-
Pump/chrome- melee after every shot if you want to shoot multiple times. The delay between shots is drastically reduced by meleeing. It essentially deletes the pump animation
All shotguns- melee after reloading, every shell. It actually goes faster. Reload, melee, reload, melee. In a rhythm
@nathanwaterser8218 Asking the same thing.
wouldnt that make the assault shotgun too slow in reload? remember it reloads consecutive rounds faster than the first one
Didnt they fix this in last stand update?
One thing I’ll say is that wider spread on shotguns can sometimes be good in a horde shooter like L4D because the pellets fan out more and cover more area, like if you have a cluster of infected coming your way and you have the standard autoshotty, 2 or 3 shots should clear out the entire thing, but with the more accurate SPAS-12, you’d need more as all the pellets concentrates on one infected at a time, but this mostly works on lower difficulties, and you did say that you play on expert and advanced, so I can definitely see why it’s a big con for you
That being said, great video, it’s pretty well edited and I like how you included the upgraded versions, which most people would miss
I'll say. I always use Sableage's realistic shotgun spread add-ons and it's not rare for me to miss the wide-covering spread of vanilla.
clear the horde while the sniper guy gets the infected, that's why it's a team game
@Cd767 Surprised no one mentioned this lol. 4 guys having different weapons with different utility is ideal. You need some combination of crowd control, range, and raw DPS. Too often I've been caught by smokers during playthroughs where everyone (understandably) wants to use a shotgun lol.
@@GuyGuysonHimself With a talented bunch of players I think 4 Auto Snipers are still the best way to finish the game. If all hit their shots you can one shot from anyrange while also spamming the tank with ease.
It makes me so happy to see people uploading L4D content on TH-cam still, great vid my friend
The hunting rifle also has way better moving accuracy than the military sniper, and with laser you can basically have perfect accuracy while moving, which is why I usually prefer the former over the latter.
By the way, it is nice to see this list is not focused on versus only. I do recognize a few of these custom maps. Yama, Curse of Lazar Castle (there's also a tryhard version of that map called "Pesadelo no Castelo Lazar", so maybe it is that?) and others whose name I don't recall.
The Hunting Rifle is good but I dunno if I would place it in the same tier as the Sniper Rifle. The extra accuracy is nice, but horde killing is extremely important in Left 4 Dead and a 30-shot magazine is invaluable.
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@@QuintessentialWalrus That's fair. I usually have a melee weapon as my secondary with the hunting rifle for that precise reason, leaving the hunting rifle for the SI and the melee for the CI. But I agree that the hunting rifle can be lacking without a melee secondary.
I saw the chernobyl campaign in there too. Also I agree. Hunting rifle has better hipfire accuracy. Military rifle is king with Lazer though.
MR more ammo is way better than accuracy since you get perfect accuracy the instant you activate zoom, and if you have a laser sight the MR is way better since it's highly accurate and has 30 bullets. I do not think you can make any reasonable argument for taking the HR over the MR on any map unless the HR can be refreshed by picking up a new one instead of reloading it and the MR can't. Personally I would still keep the MR in that case and pick up an HR if I need ammo desperately.
Great tier list. I never noticed how incendiary and explosive rounds could make weapons worse. The Ak-47 has always been my favorite weapon, aesthetically and performance wise.. pretty sweet that it's the best gun.
Btw, love your use of the Bully soundtrack.. and the Tekken Tag 2 credits theme at the end. ;)
nothing beat the good old wooden Ak-47/AKM
I think a big downside to the scar is it’s atrocious reload time. It’s practically twice the length of the other ar’s for a minuscule 10-20 more shots. It’s definitely the worst weapon to be caught mid reload as at least snipers while reloading (faster still mind you) kinda slow are great ways to clear specials. The burst is also a little worthless outside of tanks and tends to hurt the gun. You can always manually burst fire the other rifles meaning this is a straight nerf (which is indisputable because early testing for the weapon had it as an automatic and that was deemed to strong) and is often just a waste of ammo for common infected the weaker specials.
The scar seems like a total realism weapon, since their 3 bullet shots is great for common infected, while AK47 and snipers have more trouble with common infected. Might be a good combination with melee weapon.
Oh how great the SCAR would be if the burst would work as burst fire is supposed to work.
I.E. not firing three rounds, but firing up to three rounds. That the user could tap-fire at their own discretion.
Honestly it's been a pet peeve of mine for a while due to how many games make the same mistake. And now that I've gotten into programming it has become even more frustrating due to understanding that programming a correctly working burst fire trigger should be even easier.
@@Killicon93 Since obviously they reused the code for famas from cs, other than maybe making the code more complicated just for a single gun, the only reason the scar can only shoot 3 rounds per click is for balance reasons.
If you can tap fire the gun, as long as you click slower than the gun's actual fire rate (14 rounds per second), it's basically a very accurate full auto 60 round rifle that deals more damage than m16 and potentially faster fire rate than all rifles using macros of course (unless there's a kind of a limit which make the code even more complicated)
@@Phoenix.Sparkles the scar is also a horrible realism weapon, especially on expert realism. The forced bursting wastes ammo like a motherfucker and makes it harder to pinpoint help your allies without accidentally hitting them. Source: I play almost exclusively on expert realism.
@@Phoenix.SparklesIts the worst weapon to play realism on.
The 3-round burst does not kill a common for starters.
It has an abysmal firerate/power ratio.
You never want to run a melee on realism, you take a magnum first chance you get.
The AK is definitely an all in one package, crouch spraying makes it almost as accurate as the m16, and the added spread on it makes it works almost like a ranged melee in clearing the path in rush events like the mall alarm and the coasters
I was wondering why im always the last to die on dead center 2nd then I realized I take a laser scope AK47 subliminally every round
laser AK47 op
@@murloc9820 I like taking the laser SG when my teams doing good because it's more fun but the laser AK is the win gun
@@DannyCheezitsI usually take a chrome shotgun for skeets
@@murloc9820 intentionally nerfing yourself to tier 1 weapons just to mildly annoy versus players on the other team is based as fuck
@@DannyCheezits thanks :3
Funny thing, my mouse happens to have an autoclick button built-in (who knows why, it says it's a double click button, but it makes auto clicks, anyway) and when you dual wield the pistols your rate of fire is actually how fast you press the mouse, in other words, with auto click i release the 30 bullets REALLY fast, it's almost a SMG
i also have mine as well, it cause some problems sometimes tho
Several Valve games has this same gimmick, for example the Tec-9 and Five-Seven in CS:GO.
i have an autoclicker on my pc that can go down to 1 millisecond.
and an infinite ammo no reload mod enabled ingame.
: )
Huh cool
You are correct that the Scout has a faster rate of fire. If you examine the scripts for the latest update, the Scout's "Cycletime" or Rate of Fire is 0.9 seconds while the AWP's is 1.05, so it is slightly faster.
One other difference between the shotguns is the accuracy. The chrome shotgun has the tightest spread of all, and then it’s followed by the spas. Then there’s the pump and auto shotguns. The chrome shotgun has the tightest spread in the game and the auto has the widest. This makes the chrome and spas the best shotguns for crowning witches, as the tighter spread ensures that all of the pellets will hit her if you aim as close to the middle of her as possible. The shotguns of both tiers have the same reload speed when going from empty to full at 4.2 for the tier 1 shotguns and 4 for the tier 2 shotguns.
Also the dual pistols reload slightly faster than reloading one pistol twice. The Magnum has the same reload speed as one pistol and will always one shot a common on any difficulty. (If you’re wondering, both of them reload at 1.6 seconds, and 2 empty, and the dual pistols reload at 2.33, and 2.5 empty. All pistols reload faster if you have one bullet or more left, and 2 or more left for dual pistols.)
silencer smg also prevents unaware zombies getting aware of ur presence when u kill other zombie from medium distance, also hunting rifle has high accuracy than the military sniper (without scope) however military sniper has infinite piercing power makes it useful to takeout the crowd rather quickly from the distance before they reach closer and hunting is great for long range headshot without using scope
Can’t believe it’s been two years since the last stand update time flies
It's been that long already???
@@Zambeziiit's now three, geez
@@jh047o yeah thats actually crazy im so glad this game still has an active player base
@@Zambezii Better and morr active then a lot of games due to being a quality game despite going on sale for 1.99-3.99 dollars really often
4 now....
You can reload the m60 by picking up incendiary ammo or explosive ammo as it gives you 150 bullets once more until it goes back to whatever the count was for your normal rounds.
m60 is a terrifying gun. only real Heavy players get explosive fed m60s. it's super strong
You cant do it anymore, its just replaces current ammo, not adding (
Wrong
@@mrrussian3534 ah dang, was that in the last stand update? Because that was my favorite thing to do when I happened to get the combo. Double the ammo was crazy strong
@@lemoncitrine7023 It's been like that for years
The SG552 is probably my most favorite weapon. It looks nice, it has good ammo, and it’s great for crowd control. It’s also sort of two weapons in one with the scope, turning it into a sniper rifle.
sg552 enjoyers unite
I always choose the hunting rifle over the military sniper. Accuracy while moving is better with the hunting rifle and the time that it takes the crosshairs to center after you stop running is slightly faster too. This makes a big difference.
I don't get why people so heavily prefer the military rifle when the hunting rifle has the two desirable traits of mobility and reload speed compared to the military rifle just being spammable
@@DannyCheezits they military rifle is better in modes like survival where you need to hold out on a single location
@Leonardo Dal Bello true, but in campaign the quicker reload saves my ass a ton
@@DannyCheezits Because it has double the mag size. Yeah it has a slower reload speed, but you only need to reload it half as much compare to the Hunting Rifle, which also means you get punished less for missing shots as you could just keep spaming. And reload speed matters a lot less when everything's dead, because you have double the mag.
Of course, that's assuming you actually plan your reloads and not just spam the R key whenever you stop shooting. If you're a habitual reloader, then yeah you should probably put down the Military Sniper or learn to not press the R key just because there's one second of downtime and that you have 28 out of 30 bullets in your gun.
@@daddysempaichan i came around on this months ago and i honestly just think it depends on the map or gamemode. maps with long waiting sections with open sightlines (like the parish theatre gate) heavily favor the military rifle because of its bigger clip and identical accuracy while crouching but maps with more required movement in horde-situations like Dead Center's Toy Store favor the hunting rifle because of its better running aim and reload speed
So glad there's still really good l4d2 content still being made today. Really good video btw.
i wish it also covered melees just to see people get educated on how op the machete is
Machete is actually really OP, same goes for the Axe
I love how you use the Killing Floor 2 model for the auto shotgun. It just looks so cool
10:10 The uzi is actually pretty accurate for me though, more than the silenced mac-10, a lot easier to chip away tank health or kill specials from a distance
I find the normal Uzi more accurate than the normal silenced, but the laser silenced more accurate than the laser uzi
I love the SCAR with magnum as secondary. The 3-round burst is often overkill against common infected outside of hordes, which the magnum easily compensates for, but the high damage output, accuracy and ammo reserves make it such a great special killer. Something that you didn't touch on is that with a lasersight, you effectively hold a 120 damage sniper rifle any time you crouch, making it perfect for sniping spitters and smokers across long sightlines.
Not sure if you noticed, but the SPAS shotgun also have a tad tighter spread than the auto shotgun too. It’s minor, but noticeable if you look closer.
a lot of small details in this vid missed tbh… great vid still overall but i disagree with some choices!
I’m surprised the laser M16 was only in A tier.
This has always been my top choice since 2011. With the laser its a headshot and horde eliminating machine. Paired with its lightning fast reload its easily one of the best overall weapons in the game.
Exactly it’s so good at clearing hordes
@@dopedoge3603 mid DPS
as far as I know, part of why Germany and Australia had issues rating the game was because of the Riot Officer zombies. Attacking them was considered aggressive action against figures of authority/government officials, and as such created a major problem regarding the game's release. Those laws have only recently been relaxed, hence why Valve have been able to release a standard version across the board.
TBH it says in the lore that CEDA (a government-sanctioned agency) hired them from a security firm (a non-governmental, private (read: company) entity), kinda like mercenaries except their purpose is to keep peace but I can understand why they did want a censored version since it technically still enters the criteria of attacking authority figures.
Sure would hate to allow a digital world where we rise up against our masters.
That was germany and it was only one of the issues. The violence was the main issue in both countries. Australia lacked an R18+ rating for games (despite it existing for movies) because of bureaucracy, so the highest it could be rated was MA15+, which the gore in L4D2 was too egregious for. Australia later implemented an R18+ rating and the uncensored version was allowed to receive it.
I know less about Germany's situation but IIRC germany was just had really strict rules for violence in video games at the time
Quick sidenote and bad news i think the 1 tap mechanic on Ak47 is now gone while testing animations for the Ak from the workshop. I noticed while testing that the 1 tap mechanic is now gone on SI now it takes 2 shots to kill (Jockey, Hunter, Smoker) and before it takes only 2 shots to take down a charger now it takes 3 idk test it yourself guys maybe its just a bug but if its a shadow nerf then pretty much Scar is on par with Ak now because scar can still 1 shot SI albeit its a burst shot and 3 bullets per shot as for the AK takes 2 bullets.
Update: I did the math now it makes sense it was a bug after all. Correct me if I'm wrong but headshotting has a multiplier of 4x so if we take that to account means 58 x 4 = 232 and aside from the spitter who has 100hp. The hunter, smoker, jockey has above HP than the 232 damage bonus and now it makes sense why charger takes 3 bullets to kill headshot wise. the dude has 600hp so if you multiply 232 by 3 you get 696. Dunno just want to throw this out there if anyone starts wondering why the 1 tap AK doesn't exist no more
I always found the SSG 552 to actually deal more damage against tanks compared to other Tier 2 ARs when playing Tankhunters on a locally hosted server, it feels almost too powerful as I watch the mod that allows me to see the hp of the tank I'm shooting, even when I'm alone, just melt so harshly.
Australia didn't even get these weapons, we just got a censored game and a special Cricket bat lol.
I’m glad left 4 dead is still getting videos made on it
Bruh, great video overall: i loved the combo L4D2 tier list + bully soundtrack + pazaak minigame from KOTOR sounds
You're really underestimating the magnum. Besides it's usefulness in Expert Realism, it's a great gun for popping stragglers to conserve primary ammo and has way better accuracy than you'd expect when on the move or crouching. It's almost essential for effective shotgun usage and a great ammo saver for assault rifles. I'd put it in S tier instead of B.
Enjoyed this video so much and how chill it is
You made the atmosphere of this video relaxing for the viewers
Amazing video dude!
The editing and commentary was top tier, also all the information you gave on the guns was awesome as well :)
25:26 for this to be your first full length video, pretty incredible
Hitting headshots with the AWP has its own satisfying moment because it just about one shots anything that isn’t a tank. Outside a competitive standpoint, the AWP is my favorite
I'm curious about how people reload, cause I almost always reload before the magazine is empty, with shotgun being an exception. Do you wait till it is empty for bullets or do you reload whenever given the chance like me?
It can definitely be a disaster to reload at the wrong time, but having only half a magazine while an SI chases you can be the difference between surviving or going down.
It definitely depends on the situation.
If a Special Infected is chasing you, and you only have one bullet in the chamber and you believe you can reliably reload without getting charged/jockeyed/pounced, you should 100% go for it to live.
If it's before a known crescendo event, like the Dark Carnival rollercoaster, you should 100% reload, ESPECIALLY on higher difficulties where commons can slap you down. (or if it's versus)
If you're in a room being raided by a horde, you should not reload until either 1. you're out of ammo and need to reload, or 2. you have a shotgun, where you can cancel the animation at any time and shoot, (but its really damn finnicky for me).
It depends on the circumstances. If I’m with my group (plus points if they’re experienced), I’ll reload whenever I want to even during hordes because I know they have my back.
If running separately or by twos, if I know there won’t be any threat within the next few seconds, I’ll reload to make sure I’m on full clip.
For the SI, a buddy of mine can snipe the one at the distance, I can deal with the ones nearby. It’s all teamwork, really.
Remember, switching to your pipe bomb is always faster than reloading
I always keep my weapons topped up especially since I prefer pistols over melee.
I'm a chronic reloader if there's little immediate threat nearby. Pop a common or two, using at most 4 bullets? Reload. Just finish off a SI? Reload.
Middle of a horde, I'll reload when it clicks. Unless it's a gun that penalizes your reload time if it goes empty.
i played l4d2 recently for the first time in about 5ish + years and i saw the mp5 and was really confused how it was in the base game. i didnt realize they updated the game.
my personal favourite still is the Mac 10 with a laser.
that thing is criminal fun to use
Remember that all ammo upgrades always give you extra ammo that might be handy in some circumstances and allow you to carry more ammo for some rare guns. From what you called not worth it, they do.
I find it impressive the scar, no matter the game, it is treated as a top tier weapon.
It's high price and reputation probably plays a big role in that. I've heard stories even from military guys in awe seeing one because they're rarely ever issued/used. And if they are, it's always in the hands of some nameless special forces guy in casual attire instead of the usual uniform. That's gotta add even more mystery and spectacle to the lore of the gun lol.
It's called the *Special Operations Forces Combat Assault Rifle* for a reason. It's not a firearm your average grunt is issued with.
I like how you put different variants of the weapons instead of just the base weapons.
The only reason the bolt-actions are not just gun props in my mind is because there are so many script mods that make them great and fun to use.
Tip for the grenade launcher; idk if this works with incendiary rounds but it does work with normals rounds and a gas can: If you throw the a gas can next to a witch and shoot them, stumbling the witch and setting her ablaze, she won’t attack you. For some reason she’ll just run aimlessly until she dies
fun fact: Australia got the uncensored version on PC at least before Christmas of 2021 ( A free download marked as DLC).
I think this was part of a small trend of some games that were once censored or refuse of sale to now be uncensored and sold at least on Steam.
Really nice and in-depth video, also the editing was great
For me, incendiary upgrades are immediately one tier lower than base weapon because I have the glorious combination of shit eyesight, 14 inch monitor (gaming laptop, fps no problem), and slight oversensitivity to lights. With a game as dark as L4D, I can ignore muzzle flashes because they're near-instantaneous (and actually lights up the room when shooting), but once the incendiary bullet fires struck the only thing I can see on my screen is a mixture of orange and black.
After years of playing this game, I still find it hilarious that the M60 does less damage than the AK but can kill zombies in 1 shot regardless of difficulty because it gibs them.
A similar situation applies with all sniper rifles compared to the Deagle, with the latter being able to kill zombies in 1 shot even on Expert Realism. Melee is fun and all but I never pass up on a Deagle in my playthroughs :3
One of the best reviews I've seen. Great job! 👍
Realism mode
S+- Auto shotgun, Magnum, M60 (clears commons quickly)
S- Ak 47 (High DPS)
A- Pump shotgun, Grenade launcher (Slow but still able to 1shot commons)
B- M16, SG552, MP5, Uzi, Mac-10 (Aim for headshot)
C- Dual pistols, Scar (Harder to land headshots with)
D- Military Sniper (Can't 1shot commons, but its high mag size and pen. power saves it)
E- Hunting rifle, Scout, Awp (You're better off using melee weapons)
Wow, I basically agree with all of this. Yeah snipers fall off HARD in realism. One of the biggest strengths of a sniper is it's ability to take out commons are basically unrivaled, but you take that away in realism and it basically just becomes a safe way to take out SI's from a distance and that's about it.
What I like about L4D is that while yes there are statistically good, meh, and bad weapons pretty much every weapon is fun, usable and interchangeable except when it comes to tank damage. This fact makes the game much more replayable and less boring because you get to try out every weapon combo in the game. A lot of times I just find myself choosing whatever weapon I'm feeling like using rather than always picking the same weapon just because its the best.
Also, I would make a Left 4 Dead 5, with 4 characters from Dallas Texas, who would be -
David: A young teenage boy, he is 17 years old, black, he is like 6 feet tall, he has a white shirt with a red line across it, like from his upper right chest down to his left hip, and above that line would be the King, from like cards with red dimonds around him, and below that same red line would be the Queen, from cards with black spades around her, and he has a black jacket, and blue jeans, and red, white, and black shoes, and he has a pointy hair style, like what looks like dreadlocks, but short and they only stick up in every direction, he is good at focusing and dealing with people, and he listens and is willing to listen, he can be hard-headed at times, but he gets serious at times when it calls for it, and he is there for his team
Kaliea: A young teenage girl, she is 16 years old, black, she is 5 foot 7, she has a purple short sleeve shirt with golden glittery things around her chest area, and she as a light black short sleeve cover, like a jacket, but it has no zipper, and it looks like it is netted, with like spacing and stuff like that, and she wears skinny dark blue jeans, and high heel boots, and she has short brown hair down to her shoulders, and she has eye liner, and other sorts of makeup, and lipstick, and she is well mannered, and she tries to keep it together although she is scared, but she functions better with her team, and she is a team player, and she sticks with and is there for her team.
(David and Kaliea are a couple, and they are good people, like David worked at movie theater, and he had part time jobs before that, and he is alright in school, and he was a former boyscout and camper, so he can opperate in some things, like the woods and things like that, and Kaliea is very good in school, she gets mainly straight A's most of the time, and was pursuing a legal career, and she used to babysit people and her younger brothers and sister, so she is good with dealing with people, and under stress)
Abriann: He is a young teenage boy, he is 17 years old, black, he is 6 foot 1, and he wears a red short sleeve shirt with white lines up and down and a small blue shield on the upper right chestal area, but he also has that short sleeve shirt over a long sleeve white shirt, and he wears jeans, and white shoes with red trims, and he is knowledgeable and understanding, and he comes up with some ideas to help the team, and he is there for his team.
Dainnia: She is a teenage girl, she is 17 years old, black, she is 5 foot 7, she always tries to look on the bright side of things, and she tries to keep the team together, and she keeps with her team, and she is there for her team, and she can becomes strong willed, confident, and serious when push comes to shove, she wears a green lepord pattern short sleeve shirt, with tight light purple pants, and short high heel boots with like fur on the ankle part, and she has eye liner and other makeup, and purple lipstick, and she has long black hair, and she has golden water droplet earrings.
(Abriann and Dainnia are a couple and they are good people, Abriann is a good student, he gets mostly B's, he does not have any job, but he is knowledgeable about things like cars, because he always liked cars, and he used to help at his uncle's mechanic shop, and he also used to help his dad with the car, so he is knowledgeable about manual labor, and he used to take care of his little brother so he can deal with people and comfort them to an extent, and Diannia is a good student, with A's and B's and she is knowledgeable on many things like science and math, and she has knowledge about some other languages, history, locations, laws, and other useful things)
The go through the states, from Texas up, going through the middle of the United States, and then around to like New York, and other states like that, and they are a young, but strong and knowledgeable team who can overcome anything together.
Left 4 Dead 3 would be from 2012 to 2011
Left 4 Dead 4 would be 2015 to 2016
Left 4 Dead 5 would be in modern day
Bruh 💀
bro i cannot believe i recognize the S+ tier bg image, it is a diamond stock photo, i used it too for something else
I've been looking for something like this--and you start off with my favorite L4D2 track!
For the M16, I wanna add another CON:
You use up the ammo pretty quickly.
It only seems to happen with this weapon, not anything else, but I do avoid Tier-1 SMG's so eh. They're probably the same.
You can find Tier-2 weapons pretty fast after all, so that must be why I don't burn through Tier-1 SMG's quickly.
Edit: Also, the Auto-Shotgun only does 1 more damage than the SPAS-12? Well that sums it up pretty quickly, the SPAS 12 is better, because it reloads faster. 1 damage point won't change anything really.
The Tier 1 SMGs also burn through ammo real quick, but still not as fast as the M16, probably due to the much higher reserve.
But same as you, the M16 is the only gun I consistently always seem to run low on ammo with.
Agreed with that, but honestly as long as you're good at ammo conservation the T1 smgs ammo can last a good while. The silenced smg is imo slightly better than the M16.
@@TheDemonChara Yes, and I'm not that good with ammo conservation bc I just don't use them at all in fear of wasting ammo. I mainly use it to kill Special Infected & the bosses.💀
Ammo upgrades are great with the m16
I actually learned a few things about shotgun damage. Thanks!
I mostly play L4D in Advance Realism, and in my opinion the weapon tiers would just change slightly.
I would only bump up the pistols a bit higher since you could kill super quickly if you can aim headshots constantly. However, I understand if people see it as too much effort for something that they could do with other easier weapons.
Ive been looking for a list like this for so long! Hope to see more on your channel, thanks!!
This is a very solid tier list 👌
I’m sorry but for me the M16 is the best primary. The reload is so fast especially if you don’t have to chamber a round. The military sniper, I find reloading it is always a little too long when enemies are surrounding you. When you get the laser sight on the M16, I rarely ever go down. I also consider the Deagle to be a must have. Helps you ration your primary and the reload is rather quick.
I personally prefer the hunting rifle over the big G3 sniper specifically for the accuracy while moving. I saw in your footage that you hold the walk button when using it and i think that's probably the best way to use it until you get a laser sight and can run and gun with it. In my opinion i believe you downplay the accuracy difference a little too much, but great video!
you're a goat for using the bully OST
Excellent video man!! You’ve 100% earned a sub from me and if you keep this level of quality up, I’m sure you’re gonna blow up!
The only critique I have is that the audio can sound very weird sometimes and your delivery makes things sound like they’ve been pre recorded and spliced together. But that wasn’t anything bad enough to take from the overall viewing experience, I enjoyed this video big time!
I wish that there was a Left 4 Dead 3 man.
If I made the Left 4 Dead series, here is what I would do next.
I would make Left 4 Dead 3 -- the characters would be a members of a university in Philadelphia, there will be the 4 characters;
McGiaver: A professor, he is white, 5 foot 9, like 32 years old, kind of has a gut, but not that fat, he has a checkered light blue and white button up shirt with a red tie, and black dress pants, a slick-back hair style with red framed glasses, and kind of a long face, he has a kind of trying to be tough persona, but he does want to be there and do what's best for the team, and he will be there for his team.
Alice: A young freshman female student who is white, 5 foot 6, 18 years old, has a black and blue stripped sweater, (stripes going from left to right, or horizontal), blonde hair to her shoulders, glasses, a wide nose, (I don't know why I thought of that), she wears joggers, and skinny jeans, she is shy and scared of the situations, so she is clingy with her teammates and she looks at them for support, but she will not hesitate to retaliate and shoot if her or her teammates are in danger.
George: A security guard who is black, 5 foot 8, 47 years old, is fat, like a little fatter than Coach, he has a white uniform on with a name tag, and his shirt says "Campus security" and he has a radio on his right shoulder, and like dark blue pants with a silver line down the sides of them, with what looks like a utility belt of standard security gear, although there is nothing in any of them, and he has a very serious attitude and is determined to tell people off and put them in line if they ever step out of line, but he tries to hold the team together.
Rodney: A skinny boy, 5 foot 7, he is 20 years old, he is like a delinquent drinking and using drugs, and partying, just a delinquent college kid, so he has kind of an attitude, kind of like Nick, even worse than Nick, he has long curly black hair, and a light green shirt, with like a picture of a grizzly bear on it with red words in cursif saying "Hunter" with a black sleeveless jacket, with the zipper open, and brown shorts with like 6 pockets, and he wears black shoes with a red trim on the sides --
They start at the university, and the university has football players, so they keep fit, and they work out on their legs, like running and stuff, so there would be a mutation where it is the early charger designs, but a hunched over figure, a big head with increased bone structure to ram into things, arms on the sides like a dinosaur, and big legs that just let it make sharp turns and things like that, like if you turn a corner it will immediately follow you swiftly and make those sharp turns everywhere.
And so they go down through like Georgia and Florida and places like that to get to New Orleans, and they go to beach resorts, and farms, and woods, and things like that. Like going on the docks at Miami, calling it "Dead Sea" or "Peer Pressure" or things like that, and through all of the resort buildings, and then on a farm, to the barn and then running through the woods behind them.
Next I would make Left 4 Dead 4, and that would be like -- The characters would be city occupants from California;
Malinda: A police officer, she is a hot blonde, pointy nose, (I don't know how I came up with that), hair length to like the middle of her back, and she has two bands of hair on each of the sides of her head slinked on her shoulders, she is 5 foot 11, 42 years old, has a black police uniform, a round star badge, a radio on her right shoulder piece, and a police utility belt on her uniform, she is serious at times when it calls for seriousness, but she can also be gentle to her teammates.
Orion Barn The 2nd: A small time crook, he is skinny, black, 5 foot 6, 18 years old, he has a black beanie on his head, he has a white shirt with the picture of a sunrise on it, with green italics saying "Sun shine" he has a leather biker style jacket over that, he has black jeans, he wears black and white shoes, and he has a fingerless glove with spikes on his right hand, and a glove with only a finger slot on his index finger for his left hand, he is a wild person, always saying something, even in the most inappropriate of times, and sometimes he acts like he wants to leave, but when push comes to shove he is there for his team.
Jancarlos: A construction worker, he is 5 foot 9, 27 years old, decent weight, he is spanish, he has a light mustache, like it is just growing in, he might have a small mole on his left check, he wears construction suits, like a red shirt with a contruction vest over it, he wears a white hard hat, white shoes, and jeans, and he is a team player, relying on his teammates, and being there for his teammates, because he believes that sticking together will help them to survive, and he is able to use a sludge hammer as a malee weapon.
José: A taxi driver, he is spanish, he is 5 foot 9, 31 years old, decent weight, and he has like a red long sleeve sweater, and skinny cackies, with white shoes, he is a team player and is there for his teammates, but he will put people in their place if they get out of line --
They all have to go around the United States, because the states closest to them are blocked off from public access by the military and stuff like that, so they have to go around through upper states by Canada, like Michigan, and moving around to New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Philadelphia, Georgia, Florida, and so on until they get to Texas, and they do through buildings, subway stations, train stations, some gated communities, other suburbs like areas, police stations for like guns and stuff, a little bit of everything.
And I would make special zombies, like... Sick zombies. Like if someone had the flu, or a cold, or mainly mucus, like how mucus becomes bronchitis, where it becomes thick and sticky, and give that to a zombie, like both males and females and they have runny noses and big looking pimples or sores with puss or the mucus, and things like that and they can sneeze and spit out this sticky, gooey, thick yellowish-green mucus, and the mucus won't hurt survivors, it will just slow them down, like when you are on low health and you becomes slow, it has that effect, just you could be at full health and the gooey mucus just slows down your moment to that extent for about 5 to 7 seconds, during which common infected can catch up faster and beat up the survivor who has been covered in the mucus, and that sticky mucus can going into and gam guns and chainsaws, so it can also relinquish survivors of their weapons, however malee weapons like bats, axes, swords, machetes, and crowbars, won't have that kind of effect, and should you kill one at close range it will explode, a little like the boomer, except you will get covered in the sticky mucus and that will trap the survivor in a vulnerable state, like where they cannot move at all, they can't pull out any weapons, they are just stuck to either the floor or walls, and this will last for 20 seconds, and during that time other normal infected can beat up the survivors, but burning acid from a sitter would dissolve the gooey mucus if a spitter spits on someone who is already trapped in mucus. And like if these sick zombies are seen, they will behave kind of like common infected, staggering around the place, but it will be sneezing almost all of the time, and releasing some of the sticky, gooey mucus onto the floor or walls, depending on where it is sneezing.
Tell me what you all think.
Also, I would make a Left 4 Dead 5, with 4 characters from Dallas Texas, who would be -
David: A young teenage boy, he is 17 years old, black, he is like 6 feet tall, he has a white shirt with a red line across it, like from his upper right chest down to his left hip, and above that line would be the King, from like cards with red dimonds around him, and below that same red line would be the Queen, from cards with black spades around her, and he has a black jacket, and blue jeans, and red, white, and black shoes, and he has a pointy hair style, like what looks like dreadlocks, but short and they only stick up in every direction, he is good at focusing and dealing with people, and he listens and is willing to listen, he can be hard-headed at times, but he gets serious at times when it calls for it, and he is there for his team
Kaliea: A young teenage girl, she is 16 years old, black, she is 5 foot 7, she has a purple short sleeve shirt with golden glittery things around her chest area, and she as a light black short sleeve cover, like a jacket, but it has no zipper, and it looks like it is netted, with like spacing and stuff like that, and she wears skinny dark blue jeans, and high heel boots, and she has short brown hair down to her shoulders, and she has eye liner, and other sorts of makeup, and lipstick, and she is well mannered, and she tries to keep it together although she is scared, but she functions better with her team, and she is a team player, and she sticks with and is there for her team.
(David and Kaliea are a couple, and they are good people, like David worked at movie theater, and he had part time jobs before that, and he is alright in school, and he was a former boyscout and camper, so he can opperate in some things, like the woods and things like that, and Kaliea is very good in school, she gets mainly straight A's most of the time, and was pursuing a legal career, and she used to babysit people and her younger brothers and sister, so she is good with dealing with people, and under stress)
Abriann: He is a young teenage boy, he is 17 years old, black, he is 6 foot 1, and he wears a red short sleeve shirt with white lines up and down and a small blue shield on the upper right chestal area, but he also has that short sleeve shirt over a long sleeve white shirt, and he wears jeans, and white shoes with red trims, and he is knowledgeable and understanding, and he comes up with some ideas to help the team, and he is there for his team.
Dainnia: She is a teenage girl, she is 17 years old, black, she is 5 foot 7, she always tries to look on the bright side of things, and she tries to keep the team together, and she keeps with her team, and she is there for her team, and she can becomes strong willed, confident, and serious when push comes to shove, she wears a green lepord pattern short sleeve shirt, with tight light purple pants, and short high heel boots with like fur on the ankle part, and she has eye liner and other makeup, and purple lipstick, and she has long black hair, and she has golden water droplet earrings.
(Abriann and Dainnia are a couple and they are good people, Abriann is a good student, he gets mostly B's, he does not have any job, but he is knowledgeable about things like cars, because he always liked cars, and he used to help at his uncle's mechanic shop, and he also used to help his dad with the car, so he is knowledgeable about manual labor, and he used to take care of his little brother so he can deal with people and comfort them to an extent, and Diannia is a good student, with A's and B's and she is knowledgeable on many things like science and math, and she has knowledge about some other languages, history, locations, laws, and other useful things)
The go through the states, from Texas up, going through the middle of the United States, and then around to like New York, and other states like that, and they are a young, but strong and knowledgeable team who can overcome anything together.
Left 4 Dead 3 would be from 2012 to 2011
Left 4 Dead 4 would be 2015 to 2016
Left 4 Dead 5 would be in modern day
Also the M16 and the SG552 are basically the same, the only difference is that the SG reloads a bit slower and has a scope but it doesnt really matter since M16 is already pretty accurate.
Love the use of Shawn Lee's Bully soundtrack in this video. That game had some great tunes!
Maybe I missed it but I think you forgot to mention the Silenced SMG is less accurate than the Uzi, so it's not a straight upgrade.
EDIT: Aaahh you also forgot to mention the Hunting Rifle has better accuracy than the Sniper Rifle :(
I thought it was opposite, Silenced is more accurate ?
@@G0REJ1RA You'd think so, but no. Uzi is low damage, high accuracy. Silenced is high damage, low accuracy.
the snipers biggest weakness is bad close quarters damage, having a big clip reduces the chances that commons will bridge the gap which in my opinion always beats out the slight accuracy increase
@@DannyCheezits Fully agreed. As Borderlands put it: "you don't need to be a better shot, you just need to shoot more bullets"
@@QuintessentialWalrus „high damage” don’t go too far on that buddy. The silenced SMG is imo the worst weapon you could possibly find if we don’t count those shitty bolt action snipers
What i take is that
Explosive ammo = mostly bad
Fire ammo = good but limited
Lazer sights = awesome possum
Dps > overall raw damage
Excellent tier list! I play expert realism almost exclusively and so my list would look only slightly different from this one (namely the magnum would skyrocket to S+). Im glad to see this game still getting the love it deserves
the magnum is also just generally good in any difficulty, if you can kill hordes with your primary you don't need a melee. Melees are only needed when your team sucks at clearing you and your surrounded by commons.
@@DannyCheezits The magnum on easy is only useful against specials. The pistols can also oneshot commons, have a higher rof and quadruple the ammo capacity. But it does become more and more useful on high difficulties.
@@kennedyshotfirst2534 why are you playing easy
@@DannyCheezits I'm not. You said the magnum is better on any difficulty which imo isn't true.
@@kennedyshotfirst2534 I said good, not better. Also easy mode should not be in a discussion of the games balance because it is easy mode
Awesome video, loved the bully ost. Subbed
Could you do the same with melee weapons and items? Would love to see a debate of if a pipe bomb or a Molotov is better to carry! Thanks!
its situational tbh
but on expert, pipe bombs are often better if you're playing with a full human team
molotovs are better if you're with no other human players who can pick up other throwables
If you want a better understanding on how melee weapons work and what the worst one is, definitely check out S4videos "Why the knife is the worst melee weapon." He shows all the melee weapons swing intervals, damage arc , and other pros/cons of the weapons.
nvm ak is good. Also attaching the laser sight to it is like the akimbo 1887s. The weapon had one severe downside that is removed by the upgrade
This video just popped up in my feed ... god damn those times of L4D are truly a pleasure to remember.
Met so many people through this game, people I still talk with today.
Made friends I even met and lived with for 4 years together...
As you might've guessed this game is special for me (8000+ hours played on L4D1 and around 4000 hours on L4D2 speaks for itself)
There is no other game for a friendly 4v4.
All the best strategies, chokepoins of every map, I still remember it all even though I've not played either of those games for a long time now...
It would be nice, to get the old group back together, piss each other off by rushing the living fuck out of No Mercy as Survivors.
All those glitches and bug abuse, while trashtalking each other and having a blast ...
God damn, one day I believe we'll have time and play even a single game of versus 4v4 like we did years back.
It's crazy to think, we started playing the game as kids and now we have families of our own, houses and cars to pay for, seeing each other once a year to have one of the best days that year can offer...
FUCK I love L4D series.
Not sure if you'll see this since it's an old-ish video, but mad respect for the profile picture. Been seeing a lot more Sly Cooper pop up on the internet lately and I love it
A thing about explosive ammo shotguns is that it doesnt have multiple pellets but turns into a fletchete
Very in depth and informative video. I can tell a lot of time and thought went into this project. As someone who almost always exclusively used the M16 and the Scar, I'll be sure to consider trying out the AK sometime!
I would love to see a similar tier list video from you, but for melee weapons! I know that certain ones swing a lot slower like the frying pan, but I'm sure factors like range can also play a role in deciding which one to use.
I haven't played L4D2 in about 10 years. I loved the AK and hunting rifle and swore by them. I was considered bad for using the 'weak' AK by my friends back then, even if the gun handles amazing and made me main AK in every shooter since for a few years. I might reinstall L4D2 sometime.
reinstall please its better than most fps games these days
In my opinion only:
As a melee user ALL melee weapons for me is a S+ tier (except for the chainsaw) ... All AR and SR is A tier.
All Shotguns is S tier because I'm really good at crowning a witch and killing all zombies in the head.
M60 has a limited amount of ammo 150 only so it's not that good D tier. Pistols and smg's are B tier. No E tier or F tier for me because i hate getting E and F letters
I’m 90% sure that the scout’s different firing rate is due to a faster rate when clicking repeatedly, and slower rate when holding down the fire button. Or the other way around but it’s definitely because of that.
This is amazing! Hope there’s more to come soon!
I had a feeling the AK47 would rank very well, as it does for me as well, it's my favorite weapon in L4D2. I figured it had a bit more kick than other ARs, but not to that extent.
ARs are my favorite class of weapon, and the reason why the AK wins for me isn't the extra power per shot (though that is a lovely bonus), it's the slower rate of fire than the others. I like knowing that I can truly control my ammo count as I'm firing, so that puts it on top.
lower firerate also means easier tap firing and the ability to shoot individual shots consistently
I always felt like the hunting rifle had a faster reload than the military rifle. It might just be me, but it’s what makes me choose the hunting rifle over the other.
Just curious about what mods you use? Like a mod list
when i play left 4 dead with my friends afterschool back in my school years, the SCAR and AK are my go to weapons. The AK is just so good at mowing down hordes that are right at your face while scar lets you "Harvest more meat" per mag because the burst mode ensures you waste less bullet on misses.
Just for reference for future graphics: pure colour codes can be hard for colour blind people to read. I’d recommend some sort of graphic or pattern to denote the different types of upgrades.
You could also choose colours that would contrast well even in greyscale (lowest common denominator; most colour blind people can still see colours), but it’s still not ideal.
nice tier list, I will consider keeping that in mind for my next play.
I actually prefer the AWP to any other weapon in the game. Especially with laser. While the laser is essentially inconsequential on the awp, I really just prefer it cause of the skin mod I have for the weapon. I also just like bolt action rifles, just my preference though.
If you played the awp on the zambiland server during 2013-14(its peak) you would know how op it was.
Now we need the melee list
i cant wait to see that i bet the folk is the bottom
S: axe, katana, machete
A: guitar
B: bat/cricket bat, golf club
C: shovel
D: crowbar, frying pan, nightstick, knife, chainsaw
F: pitchfork
will explain these upon request
@@beebfajeejy i think the golf club should be on A and guitar should be B
@@fangzu612 guitar is functionally identical to the axe minus the ability to cut smoker tongues. golf club just feels kinda... boring. i've noticed it also tends to just miss swings fairly often.
@@beebfajeejy the golf swing fast like katana
I pick the hunting rifle over the military sniper in different scenarios, the hunting rifle for me has great walking accuracy compared to the military sniper. I mainly use miltiary sniper for camping
I prefer the hunting rifle for running crescendo events and the military sniper for finales. I guess the military sniper is also better for the regular travel and tank fights though.
@@GlamStacheessnostalgialounge yep it feels very light when running
You're absolutely so wrong about [X, Y, Z], I can't believe you'd say that weapon is above [A, B, C]!
In seriousness, this was a well-made video! A couple of criticisms, if I may:
1. This seems overly aimed at Versus play. I watch a lot of challenge runs and speedruns, and in those, players almost always go for a Combat Shotty the moment they see one and never look back. Perhaps because the movement patterns of the AI are easier to track than human players, so the extra accuracy afforded by the AK47 isn't as needed?
2. It's not very beginner-friendly to make a tutorial video in which your game is littered with unfamiliar mods. XD Nothing against mods whatsoever of course, but it certainly doesn't help make the info you're presenting any easier to digest. Just a suggestion in case you make any future tutorial videos. :)
3. No melee weapons? I know this says "firearm" tier list, but it feels weird to leave those out to me.
4. Lmao you ran out of ammo during the section where you said the Combat Rifle has "near-endless" ammo. XD I just thought that was funny. Unfortunate choice of supporting footage, but I know from experience that you're not wrong lol.
Overall I enjoyed this greatly and look forward to any future L4D2 content from ya! I wanted to say something else too, but I've forgotten it. If I remember, I'll edit this comment later LOL
Finally finished this video and loved it! I've been playing L4D2 for over a decade and I mostly agree with this list, especially putting the laser sight AK47 at number 1. And yet, I have a few gripes...
-Single pistol is definitely the worst gun in the game, but no way in hell are dual pistols worse than the bolt action snipers. At minimum I would move them up to the bottom of B-tier just below the Uzi. Dual pistols are significantly more reliable and effective than the bolt actions in almost every situation.
-The Hunting Rifle is good but it should NOT be right below the Sniper Rifle. The extra accuracy is nice but in a horde shooter it's nothing compared to a 30-shot magazine. I would honestly move it down a tier, maybe even the bottom of A-tier.
-The Grenade Launcher needs to get down from there before it falls and hurts itself! I respect you for believing in it, but IMO that's a C-tier weapon at most. Left 4 Dead is full of cramped spaces, most enemies in the game want to get close to you, the friendly damage is crazy on high difficulties, and it's not even that good at killing specials. Not remotely worth it.
-Putting the Combat Rifle a tier above the M16 irks me, those guns feel like they're about the same in terms of effectiveness. Honestly, I think I'd even say the M16 is better because of the reload speed difference.
I'm guessing melee weapons will be a separate tier list video, but where would you put "melees" in general on this list? I don't think they're as good as the magnum but they're usually better than dual pistols. All three secondary choices are great depending on the map though.
One thing I discovered that no one else seemed to mention is that explosive ammo's splash radius gets larger the more damage a weapon deals. On an SMG, missing seems to barely stumble surrounding infected maybe remove one arm on one nearby guy, but give it to an AWP and aim at their feet, the entire pack of commons just evaporate. Special ammo also lacks overpenetration, so you cannot shoot through walls and objects when it is active, and its ability to penetrate zombies is reduced. The snipers and the magnum also don't appear to have a limit on how many zombies it could shoot through, which is a lifesaver when fighting hordes in narrow spaces. The explosion from the pipe bomb and grenade launcher cannot stagger a Tank. However, the explosion from a nearby Boomer _will._ Applying stagger to a Tank will also interrupt its rock throw attack, but _not_ the animation. Instead it will play the stagger animation after finishing the rock throwing one, giving effectively double time to apply damage up close.
As a pro player of Realism Expert and Mutations, I have to say that this tier list is very wrong. The problem is, Left 4 Dead 2 have more than one meta game, Campaign/Mutations, Survival, Versus/Scavenge, wich meta game has your best weapons. An example is the Pistol Magnum, Pistol Magnum in Realism Expert or above is one of the best weapon in the game.
I love how considerate you are to tell us what song you are playing👍🏻