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  • @lima1877
    @lima1877 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Amen amen amen. Truth that sets us free. Makes us fall to the ground and kiss Jesus feet. He is our Saviour. Redeemed us from that bondage, from there ministry of condemnation, death, guilt and destruction. Thank you my Lord. No one will take you from me. You are mine and I’m yours.

    • @davidhjgayministry
      @davidhjgayministry  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you. I am just finishing a mss on this vital passage.

    • @lima1877
      @lima1877 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@davidhjgayministry please share when you are done. Thank you

    • @davidhjgayministry
      @davidhjgayministry  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lima1877 I will try to remember. You will find it on my sermonaudio.com page and here on youtube -- will be New Year before completed -- takes time.

    • @davidhjgayministry
      @davidhjgayministry  2 ปีที่แล้ว

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    • @davidhjgayministry
      @davidhjgayministry  2 ปีที่แล้ว

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  • @jonathanwhiteside816
    @jonathanwhiteside816 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks

    • @davidhjgayministry
      @davidhjgayministry  ปีที่แล้ว

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  • @shellyblanchard5788
    @shellyblanchard5788 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Jesus became our Sabbath after the cross.

    • @MrPrendGarde
      @MrPrendGarde 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What does that mean exactly?

    • @educational4434
      @educational4434 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@MrPrendGardeIt means you enter into rest from your weary pursuits to justify yourself before God and instead follow Jesus and trust in him for your justification by keeping his commandments: faith + actions in keeping with what he taught you to do.

  • @slimpickens2095
    @slimpickens2095 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks brother for explaining this chapter.

    • @davidhjgayministry
      @davidhjgayministry  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you!

    • @davidhjgayministry
      @davidhjgayministry  ปีที่แล้ว

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  • @-Dredogg-
    @-Dredogg- 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    You don’t Know how much this video helped me understand this

    • @davidhjgayministry
      @davidhjgayministry  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Delighted. Thank you for commenting. I am just finsihing a booklet on it.

  • @Qhther
    @Qhther 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you brother, God bless you for simplifying it.

  • @davidgay7714
    @davidgay7714 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    On prophecies, I agree -- and have said so -- ALL the prophecies will be fulfilled. If you think they have all been fulfilled already, I disagree. Now tell me your view of 'the law being fulfilled'.

    • @gregt9085
      @gregt9085 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      If they all have not yet been fulfilled, then Matt. 5:17 is not yet fulfilled. This means that Old Testament law is still recognized as being in effect by God. This does NOT mean believers are under the law. Jesus kept the law perfectly and was actually the fulfillment of Deut. 18.

  • @davidgay7714
    @davidgay7714 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Apologies for not answering July correspondent before -- only just seen it. But I think this reply will cover the recent comment also. I thought I had 'dealt' with the point in the clip. The age of the law is over by the work of Christ -- see John 1:17; Gal. 3:19; Heb. 7:18-19,22; 8:13.

    • @gregt9085
      @gregt9085 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      So you are saying "til all be fulfilled" has been realized, therefore the law has passed away. Sorry for the redundancy, but I would like a clear answer on this point.

  • @shawnpshark
    @shawnpshark 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you David. I just love your vid.

  • @roxannaortiz4009
    @roxannaortiz4009 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you brother

  • @davidgay7714
    @davidgay7714 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I am not claiming the fulfilment and abolition of the OC -- as I quoted, Heb. 7 and 8 does that explicitly. Christ accomplished all. John 19:30. See also Heb. 10:1-15.

    • @gregt9085
      @gregt9085 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      The book of Hebrews explictly says the Old Covenant is READY to pass away, meaning it was still in effect at the writing of Hebrews:
      Hebrews 8:13 KJV
      [13] In that he saith, A new covenant , he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

    • @gregt9085
      @gregt9085 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      David, another thing is that you are attempting to shift the disscusion away from Matt. 5:17 because it is not going your way.

    • @gregt9085
      @gregt9085 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I disagree:
      Romans 2:12 KJV
      [12] For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

    • @gregt9085
      @gregt9085 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      What part of your post do you think I disagree with?

    • @gregt9085
      @gregt9085 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I believe the Old Covenant is still in effect for those who have legally entered into it. This fact allows for God’s promise in Jeremiah 31:35-37 to remain true. Think about it.

  • @truman5838
    @truman5838 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You can't throw out the commandments and OT.
    And now that Christians have this dilemma and cherry pick what to follow, the law is now subjective.
    This absolutely contradicts the Christian belief that a God is the objective law giver.

  • @CHRISTISKING209
    @CHRISTISKING209 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for the scriptural clearification. Yes! Bless His Holy name!

    • @davidhjgayministry
      @davidhjgayministry  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad you found something here.

    • @CHRISTISKING209
      @CHRISTISKING209 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm not going against you at all. I'm on board with you. I ask only one more clearification. What about the part where He says: "Until heaven and earth pass away." When is that or what is that saying?

    • @davidhjgayministry
      @davidhjgayministry  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CHRISTISKING209 This is what I wrote in my Christ is All: "Christ did not come to destroy the law or the prophets; that is, ‘to invalidate, to represent as of no authority, or of diminished authority, those former revelations of the divine will’. In addition to not ‘invalidating’ the law, Christ did not destroy it, demolish it, dismantle it, or repeal it for... the law now plays the role of a paradigm in the believer’s sanctification. Rather, speaking of the law in particular, Christ came to fulfil it; that is, he came in order to obey it to the full, and complete it. This he did to the letter, to the jot and to the tittle".

  • @contemplate-Matt.G
    @contemplate-Matt.G 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Excellent teaching. Please read the book entitled "Jacob and Esau Two Nations and the Inheritance" You will absolutely love it I guarantee

    • @davidhjgayministry
      @davidhjgayministry  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you.

    • @contemplate-Matt.G
      @contemplate-Matt.G 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @davidhjgayministry no, thank you. It's actually my book and I hope to get your feedback.

    • @davidhjgayministry
      @davidhjgayministry  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

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    • @contemplate-Matt.G
      @contemplate-Matt.G 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

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    • @davidhjgayministry
      @davidhjgayministry  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

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  • @davidgay7714
    @davidgay7714 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    So what do you disagree with? The law is fulfilled as the passages I quote prove. The prophecies about Christ's return and the eternal state remain to be fulfilled. Believers are not under the law but have died to it (Rom. 7:4-6). So what is the issue?

    • @gregt9085
      @gregt9085 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Why are you claiming the Old Covenant has passed away when the conditions for its passing have not yet been met?

  • @davidgay7714
    @davidgay7714 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Show me a post-Pentecost passage that argues that believers are under the old covenant, and then tell me what, for example, Rom. 7:4-6; 2 Cor. 3:6-11 mean.

    • @gregt9085
      @gregt9085 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      I never said NC believers are under OC law. Why do you think OC law would apply to Gentile believers?

    • @shellyblanchard5788
      @shellyblanchard5788 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Some of them they are under certain laws.

    • @martin.asare33
      @martin.asare33 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think while it's clear that we are not under the law as the OC , the laws of the OC are indeed the same laws that are brought to their fullness in the NC. Hence we should be careful we don't lessen these laws by our views . What we want,to say is they don't apply to us in the way they were given to the OC. However they apply to us in their matured state. Eg we read of not eating unclean foods. Yes this law doesn't apply to us in regard to animals. However as a law which pertained to the seperation of jews from gentiles Acts 9 , it spoke of the seperation of God's people from uncleanness which is the sin of gentiles who are said to be all unbelievers . hence as those who are circumcised in heart and thus are true jews, keeping ourselves from uncleanness as Gods holy people and not partaking of the works of darkness which defile is our way of fulfilling this law of separation. By this we put a distinction between ourselves as Gods holy people and the world who are unclean in their sins and defilement. Thus by living in holiness and keeping from the unclean which is sin and that stained by the flesh, we show ourselves to be God's holy people who are separated to him and from the world .. . Thus the various animals speak of the various unclean things ( sin) in all aspects of life where we see sin in the whole world. Thus all sin is forbidden to us and in all its forms just as the unclean animals were from the sea, land, and sky which represented the entire creation. . This is how we show that we are not lessening the law of God for Jesus said the NC will not abolish it but willI fulfill them. Thus the OT scriptures and its laws will still be authoritative to us as Christ words. This is different from those who treat is as an old book because the OC is abolished by fulfillment in the NC

  • @davidgay7714
    @davidgay7714 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    'Law' needs nuancing. In Scripture. there are at lest 6 different usages. In this debate, most CT mean what they call 'the moral law' or 10 commandments. Before we move on to you passage, please face up to the several I quoted.

    • @gregt9085
      @gregt9085 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      David, none of the passages you cited help me to understand how YOU understand "the law and the prophets" in Matt. 5:17. If you are hiding nothing, you can answer the question.

  • @davidgay7714
    @davidgay7714 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    At last. The Bible (see refs I have given) says the old covenant has been fulfilled and rendered obsolete. And you disagree. Very well. End of story.

    • @gregt9085
      @gregt9085 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      David, there is a truth in Gal. 5:3 that proves God still recognizes the OC, read the verse and let it speak for itself.

    • @sharifnash2221
      @sharifnash2221 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I have one question. Please someone answer with logic.
      Did heaven and earth pass yet?

    • @linda81197
      @linda81197 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Sharif Nash No they are still here. 😃

  • @JamesDonovan-b5r
    @JamesDonovan-b5r 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Does NC theology recognize these verses as to physical Jews ? Am a long time dispensationalist looking at NC simplicity! All fulfilled in Christ. A journey of trepidation lol. Please suggest other helpful concise resources. Thanks.

    • @davidhjgayministry
      @davidhjgayministry  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Not sure what you first sentence means. As for other works, I have published plenty David HJ Gay, books page on Amazon, TH-cam and sermonaudio. Other writers and teachers legion. The case for it is overwhelming. You can contact me by email on sermonaudio page. Thank you for writing.

  • @saintaugustine4104
    @saintaugustine4104 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This sounds like John Bunyan.

    • @davidhjgayministry
      @davidhjgayministry  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Similar but... see my www.amazon.co.uk/John-Bunyan-Antinomian-New-Covenant-Theologian/dp/1546677577/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=david+hj+gay+bunyan&qid=1619939090&sr=8-1
      which is available pn all Amazon sites.

  • @davidgay7714
    @davidgay7714 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    The law in that passage is the covenant delivered to Israel through Moses on Sinai. It was fulfilled by Christ and abolished. The prophets spoke of Christ. All the prophecies that refer to his first coming were fulfilled. Is that clear enough? Ask again if not.

    • @gregt9085
      @gregt9085 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      Why are you confining Matt 5:17 to "prophecies concerning His first coming"? That limitation is not stated in the passage.

    • @scotmanalick
      @scotmanalick 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
      By grace you are saved through faith .
      We are not under we but grace
      The Christian is no longer under the righteous requirements of the law ,but the law is good, and spiritual .
      The law was a gift of God's grace to a redeemed people.
      Abraham believed God and it was accounted to him as righteousness .
      Salvation was always by grace.
      The new covenant is another administration of the covenant of grace .
      Christians are saved and definitively sanctified by the blood of Christ . It is finished .Christ's sacrifice is all sufficient .He can save to the uttermost .
      But in our experience by we are continually and progressively sanctified through the word and the spirit as we submit to the word and the spirit ..
      Sanctification is a process of becoming Christlike as we by faith allow The word and the spirit to work in us . Learn of me Jesus said .learn what ? To be Christ like . Discipleship -a disciple is one who follows and learns .
      Learns to trust, learns to obey .learns to live by the law of the Spirit in an outworking of grace . The law being written on our hearts, our faith in Jesus and his finished work on the cross finds expression in hope , and love .
      Blessings :-)

  • @suaptoest
    @suaptoest 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Jesus came to fulfill all that Moses and the prophets had taught at that
    time and reconciled with God all sins before.
    At the same time, He became the cornerstone of the New Covenant with
    better conditions.
    The new covenant began in a clean state, as the Old Covenant Law came
    after the sins.
    32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the
    day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt;
    Jeremiah 31: 28-34
    Jesus did not come to end God's Covenant with Israel but to clean it.
    On the contrary, Jesus sealed it strong.
    May God bless Israel!

    • @davidhjgayministry
      @davidhjgayministry  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      If you read the entire sermon (Matt. 5--7), you will see it is impossible to maintain that Jesus was simply buffing up the old covenant for Israel. Please also read Rom. 5--8; 2 Cor. 3; Galatians; Eph. 2; Phil. 3; Col. 2 and Hebrews.

    • @davidhjgayministry
      @davidhjgayministry  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Snogubb3n Are you trying to drive a wedge betwen Christ and Paul? Christ was clear that his apostles would more fully teach the gospel (John 14:26; 16:12-15). It was only following Pentecost and the gift of the Spirit that the full glories of the new covenant were gradually revealed, Hebrews (not written by Paul incidentally) being the major revelation of its truth. I would see John 8:31-37 as saying something about the believer's freedom. The parable of the wineskins is relevant, too.

  • @davidgay7714
    @davidgay7714 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    The law, as part of all Scripture, is used in a nuanced way by Christ and apostles as part of the law of Christ, but as Scripture ( not I) says (see texts quoted) the law is fulfilled by Christ, now accomplished, abolished and obsolete. Please ask again if this is not clear enough. I have nothing to hide.

    • @gregt9085
      @gregt9085 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      1. Was all that the prophets wrote about Jesus fulfilled?
      2. Is Deut. 30:1-8 part of the law?

    • @70AD-user45
      @70AD-user45 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      The fulfillment of the law was a 40 year process which started on the Day of Pentecost in 30 AD. The process came to and end in 70 AD when the temple was destroyed in an act of divine judgement. This 40 year process was the Second Exodus which was spiritual in nature. A righteous remnant of Christians were in the process of coming out of the bondage of the Old Covenant law (known as the ministration of sin and death). Once heaven and earth (the temple) was destroyed in 70 AD then the process salvation was complete and fulfilled. You can see the "process" in the book of Hebrews. They were still waiting for the Old Covenant (old heaven and earth) to pass away. The prophecies were fulfilled by His 2nd coming in 70 AD. The New Covenant kingdom was inaugurated in 30 AD (Pentecost) and consummated in 70 AD (passing away of Old Covenant). During the 40 year process both the law and the Gospel were active.

  • @davidgay7714
    @davidgay7714 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a suggestion. You tell me what you think the text means.

    • @gregt9085
      @gregt9085 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      At a minimum, I would say all prophecies concerning Jesus, which would include prophecies about the second coming. Now tell me why the above is wrong.

    • @gregt9085
      @gregt9085 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      Jesus Himself clarified the scope of Matt. 5:17:
      Luke 24:44 KJV
      [44] And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
      Since all of the above is not totally fulfilled, the OC law is still recognized by God.

    • @evangelizarEC
      @evangelizarEC 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      To find out what He's referring to in v.44... one simply needs to read couple of verses forward vv46-49. Which is in accord to the flow of the context (vv25-27).

    • @davidgay7714
      @davidgay7714 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      I presume evangelizarEC is replying to Greg T?

    • @evangelizarEC
      @evangelizarEC 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi brother David, yeah. Sorry about the confusion. Thanks for all you do. Keep shinning your light!

  • @larryjones5506
    @larryjones5506 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    His vague focus on "fulfil" is only part of the answer. A lot of unanswered questions still remain with regard to his take on 17-20. He appears to be agreeing with me in part, but still seems to be uncertain about things because of his limited explanation.
    I would like to get the speaker to answer questions that his presentation do not answer.
    One point of confusion is that he is not using the KJV. His use of the word "abolish" instead of the KJV "destroy", suggests that he may not agree that Jesus did in fact come to "abolish". He did not come to "destroy" (KJV), denoting denouncing, but he DID come to abolish, (2 Cor 3:13), meaning his new covenant would replace the old, abolishing many things that were allowed under the OT. Jesus' appearing, death and resurrection was the fulfilment or completion-of-purpose of the OT's service; up until Jesus came.
    Gal 3:19, Heb 9:9,10, 2 Cor 3:11-13 John 1:17.
    The NT has replaced the OT. Under the perspective of a full package, (when comparing major differences between the two), the OT has been crucified with Christ; it is dead: while the NT is now the final law. Many things have indeed been abolished.
    See the confusion in using these modern corrupt paraphrases? By changing the "destroy" of 5:17 to "abolish", the value of there being a major difference between 2 Cor 3:13 and 5:17 is lost.

    • @davidhjgayministry
      @davidhjgayministry  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      OT dead? Sounds like Marcion.

    • @larryjones5506
      @larryjones5506 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@davidhjgayministry Matt 5:17-19 is a section of Scripture that is commonly misunderstood and used to propagate falsehood.
      We all read in-between the lines when we read scripture. The question is, are the things that we read in-between the lines the correct things? Being transparent and inserting those things in brackets is a good way to examine what people are mentally inserting between the lines. The following is what I insert mentally when reading this as I believe it fits the overall context of the entire Sermon on the Mount Matt 5-7.
      17 Think not that I am come to destroy the [OT] law, or the [OT] prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.[To provide a fulfillment of their purpose]
      18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the [OT] law, till all be fulfilled.
      19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least [of my kingdom] commandments, [which accomplish that fulfillment, which I am introducing in this Sermon] and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. [See also Dt 18:18 concerning not heeding the Messiah's words]
      Now, let me insert in brackets an example of what I understand to be a common misunderstanding of verse 19:
      17 Think not that I am come to destroy the [OT] law, or the [OT] prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil [to fully stand behind].
      18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the [OT] law, till all be fulfilled.
      19 Whosoever therefore shall break one [any] of these least [OT] commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them [any OT commandment], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
      Jesus abolished some of the OT commandments in the same chapter. For examples, no more divorce, nor "eye for eye", nor swearing.
      Six times he says something like "but I say unto you". He is introducing his NT kingdom commandments. Introducing the "newness of spirit" as opposed to the "oldness of the letter" (Rom 7:6) is seen in the beginning of that Sermon; in the beatitudes. They had good reason to question if he was "destroying". He did not come to destroy the OT law or prophets, as is seen by Muslims who denounce the Bible as not of God. He came rather to bring a completion. The OT served a necessary purpose UNTIL Jesus came, after which we are no longer under that lower standard that served the unregenerate. In the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus is introducing his higher-standard Kingdom Commandments.
      Gal 3:19, Heb 7:12, Heb 9:9,10, John 1:17 2 Cor 3:11-13.
      To bring completion (to fulfil) the purpose of the OT, included abolishing some of those old laws in order to bring in the "greater" and "better" and changed NT.
      There is therefore a difference between the "destroy" in Matt 5:17, which Jesus did NOT come to do, and the abolishment of things that were only intended as temporary until the Messiah came. The NT does in fact abolish numerous things that existed under the OT. 2 Cor 3:11-13.

    • @larryjones5506
      @larryjones5506 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@davidhjgayministry The NT law is a higher moral standard than what was called for under Moses. For example both divorce and remarriage were allowed as per Dt 24:1,2. That has been abolished under Jesus' teachings. Even polygamy was accommodated for under the OT.

    • @larryjones5506
      @larryjones5506 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@davidhjgayministry The law is crucified after the correct intention of how Paul used that phrase. See the analogy Paul uses in Rom 7:1-4.

    • @davidhjgayministry
      @davidhjgayministry  6 ปีที่แล้ว

      If you wish to pursue this, let us do so privately and at greater length and in an easier format. Please write davidhjgay@googlemail.com The law of Moses is not 'destroyed', the OT is not 'dead'. But believers are under the law of Christ, not the law of Moses. www.amazon.com/Believers-Under-Christ-David-H-J-ebook/dp/B0158Q7WWY/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1548287566&sr=8-2&keywords=david+hj+gay+believersAs I say, if you wish to pursue, write personally and directly to me. Thank you.

  • @SoliDeoDevotionals
    @SoliDeoDevotionals 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sir, I am not a covenant theologian. However, how does one explain the portion where Jesus states, "... but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven." I find that pretty compelling concerning the law. How do you reconcile that with New Covenant Theology?

    • @davidgay7714
      @davidgay7714 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Mario Quinn Thank you very much for taking the time to watch my video and make a comment. Taking Matt. 5:19 out of its context, one would have to say that everybody (including believers) have to keep the entire Mosaic law, without the least nuance in light of the new covenant. If so, who, among those who say this is what the verse means, is actually doing this successfully today? But you only have to read on to see that that cannot be Christ's meaning. He immediately makes changes to the law from verse 21 on. Some argue that Christ is referring to his own law. I am not convinced. I think he is showing the absolute holiness of the Mosaic law, that it had to be fulfilled to the full. My NCT demands this -- and I am glad to say that Christ accomplished it, as he said (verses17-18). But since we are told that believers are no longer under the Mosaic law but have died to it (Rom. 6:14; 7:4-6; 8:1-4; Gal. 2:19-20; 3:19-25, etc.), I can only think that the verse you raised cannot mean that believers are under the governance of the Mosaic law. Christ, however, came under the law and kept it in every particular. This is what I see here. Of course, NCT does not despise or denigrate the old-covenant law in any way -- as Paul says, Rom. 3:31 -- but this does not mean that believers are under it as their rule and standard. Believers are under the more penetrating law of Christ.

    • @randymiller8839
      @randymiller8839 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      walkinthelight 10 I like the respect u showed .. I can answer that ...with all due respect to George martian his answer was typical ignorant response to the teaching of the New Covenant .. The New Covenant is not lawless in fact some laws have become stricter in fact ..now lust is committed in the heart by a lustful look u dont even have to touch her any longer and by the lustful look of the heart adultery is committed ...9 of the 10 commandments are repeated n reliterated in the New testament . To think that the new covenant abolishes these 10 commandment principals is ignorant thinking and shows no understanding or a ability to rightly divide the truth ...Now u should turn the other cheek if thy enemy smites thee not seek revenge In old testament you were not to mistreat a widow or fatherless now in the new covenant u are to see they needs are met and cared for ..the Old Covenant is out of date and only applied exclusively to the nation of Israel because they could not keep the covenant but went whoring after other gods after seeing the miracles and wonders they still continued in their rebellious ways. Thus God gave Israel a bill of divorcement close the old covenant establish the New Covenant which involved righteousness by faith and not of works ..there is a continuity from the old to the new in the righteous concepts of God and leaves us with a narrow path to follow ..Any 1 that thinks the New Covenant is will out a structure of law n better laws clearly lacks understanding

    • @AdamVine
      @AdamVine 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@davidgay7714 well said….exactly! 🙌

  • @davidgay7714
    @davidgay7714 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    You quoted a passage and said the OC is still in force. To whom does it apply?

    • @gregt9085
      @gregt9085 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      The OC applies to whoever deliberately enters that covenant. Now who would that be?

  • @davidgay7714
    @davidgay7714 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have said this conversation is closed. There is no point in prolonging it. I have given you enough space on my page. Would you please now make your remarks on your own page. Thank you.

  • @davidgay7714
    @davidgay7714 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    You misunderstand the 'ready'. Is it still only 'ready' after 2000years? The writer was speaking of there and then. I am not shifting the debate. You are refusing to answer my question. What is the law fulfilled in Matt. 5:17?

    • @gregt9085
      @gregt9085 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      Jesus fulfilled the law keeping part of the Old Covenant by keeping it perfectly, and was the fulfillment of the Deut. 18 prophet. There is a part of the law that is still in the process of being Leviticus 26:44-45 KJV
      [44] And yet for all that, when they be in the land of their enemies, I will not cast them away, neither will I abhor them, to destroy them utterly, and to break my covenant with them: for I am the Lord their God. [45] But I will for their sakes remember the covenant of their ancestors, whom I brought forth out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the heathen, that I might be their God: I am the Lord .
      Does God keep His promises?

  • @JJFrostMusic
    @JJFrostMusic 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    So do I follow the law or not?

    • @davidgay7714
      @davidgay7714 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Many thanks for your question. I am not trying to avoid it but I need to know what you mean by 'follow' and 'the law'. If you wish to have a serious discussion of this, please contact me through my web page davidhjgay.com where it is easier to manage the technology. Thank you.

    • @JJFrostMusic
      @JJFrostMusic 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      David Gay I mean like Torah law, does christ care if I eat bacon or do work on a Saturday. Do i obey the laws of Torah?

    • @davidgay7714
      @davidgay7714 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      I can answer simply: 'Absolutely not. Eat bacon if you wish...'. But it would be far more profitable if you did as I ask, and contact me privately so that we can dialogue in an easier environment.

    • @JJFrostMusic
      @JJFrostMusic 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      David Gay done did my friend.

    • @davidgay7714
      @davidgay7714 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      I do not understand the sentence 'done did my friend'.

  • @pooltrader
    @pooltrader 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    David think about it a little bit more, The pharisees where criticizing Jesus for changing something, his rebuttal was fulfillment. The sacrifice of the one without sin established a new regime.

    • @davidhjgayministry
      @davidhjgayministry  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Please write to me through my webpage and email. It is far easier to go into detailed conversation. Christ established a new covenant, fulfilling the old and rendering it obsolete.

  • @gregt9085
    @gregt9085 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    So was all acomplished, and therefore the law has passed away?

    • @axeattheroot2657
      @axeattheroot2657 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes, Christ did fulfill the Law: "He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.” Luke 24:44
      "Later, knowing that everything had now been finished, and so that Scripture would be fulfilled, Jesus said, “I am thirsty.” John 19:28
      Therefore, it is done away for those who believe: "For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes." Romans 10:4
      Under the New covenant Christ told us to bear fruit of the Spirit for salvation (Matthew 7:16-20) Which can only be done through Him (John 15:5). Once we have the Spirit we no longer need the law because the Spirit gives life, but the law is only a ministration that condemns and kills (2 Corinthians 3:6-17). Love and Faith is now for the believer to live by, but the law is now ONLY for the Unrighteous (1 Timothy 1:5-9).

  • @shellyblanchard5788
    @shellyblanchard5788 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    In other words as long as the law was valid before he if anyone them not to keep them , they would be the lest in the kingdom. Jesus has fulfilled the law and prophet, so we are no longer under it.

    • @Shalom7end
      @Shalom7end 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Shelly Blanchard your lost.

  • @truman5838
    @truman5838 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Not a jot or tittle of the law or the prophets shall come to pass Till the Heaven and Earth disappear.
    Earth is still here. Jesus is supposedly coming back so there's obviously more work to do.
    Therefore the law must continue to be kept until all is accomplished.
    These verses don't help your point , they disprove your point.
    It's a contradiction In the Christian belief.

    • @davidhjgayministry
      @davidhjgayministry  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Let the hearer listen and judge for him or her self

  • @martin.asare33
    @martin.asare33 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Clearly fulfilment doesn't mean abolish. It means bring to maturity and perfection. Thus to say Jesus fulfilled it is to remove it is to lessen it and is the exact opposite of what he meant by fulfilment. . For again he said, , until the heavens and earth pass away the law and prophets will still be in force . . This means the 2nd coming on the day of the lord 2 Peter 3:4-12, Rev 20:10-15 is the fulfilment of all things written in The law and prophets. Hence Rev 10:7 says the mystery of God given to the prophets will all be completed at the 7th trumpet which is the day of the lord and 2nd coming when he brings the eternal kingdom. ( Rev 11:15-20). Hence what the prophets the promise pertaining to the restoration, in the prophets, the good things to come in the law are fulfilled by christ through the entire period of the last days until the end of the age . . Hence by christ, these good things which are the true came and the restoration as well began. . Thus the NT is the fulfilment of the OT scriptures which Jesus is speaking about. In it the OT is manifested in their matured state and perfection. Thus the laws of Moses in the law become the law of christ which is the full expression of all the laws of Moese namely the civil, ceremonial and which was encapsulated in the 10 commandments. Hence the law still lives on as the law of God given in christ in their fullness. So that we still worship via a sacrifice, we are a priesthood, bring grain offerings of lips of praise, incense of prayer, and draw near via a high priest. And live in holiness obeying the commandments of God for his covenant people both pertaining to the inner and outer man. And keep his holy ordinances of baptism, the lord's supper and the lord's day which indicate that pointed to by those in the OT has been fulfilled and now these in their place look forward to the consummation and backward to the inauguration in christ .

    • @davidhjgayministry
      @davidhjgayministry  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Heb. 8:13.

    • @martin.asare33
      @martin.asare33 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@davidhjgayministry
      Yes it's the NEW covenant but it's the fulfilment of the OC. Hence the OC In it's matured state is the NC. thus as the child it is no more as its replaced by the adult. Hence what is abolished is the child like phase and this by fulfilment ie gowing In to maturity not a mere abrogation. So that as Paul said when I was young I thought like a child but when I became old I put away childish things. This is the concept of fulfilment. Thus its a passing away of the OC by fulfilment. Hence it's not an abrogation which says its principles are no more. Therefore we will have continuity and discontinuity like person as child and the same an adult. Same features but enlarged but also new things are added whifh didn't exist and with the new things the OLD things pass away etc babbling speech of a child vs language of an adult. . This is why the priesthood of Aaron said to be perpetual is now made the eternal priesthood of melchizadek. So that when the perfect and matured priesthood came, the imperfect and childlike priesthood which was to be until the time of reformation was removed by fulfilment. But a priesthood still remains. Same as the sacrifices, they were fulfilled by the perfect sacrifice and yet sacrifice is still the means of our approach to God. Thus we still approach through christ as our sin, guilt, offering and offer sacrifices of incense in prayers and grain offerings of praise of lips and Thanksgiving. So u see in this sense the law and prophets even the law of the priesthood lives on in the NC. But not in the same form. That's why Jesus referring to the NC can still say he didn't come to abolish the law but to fulfill it. So let's understand these things. I'm not arguing for covenant theology hope u notice that. I'm arguing for a New covenant which is a fulfilment of the OC. Thus the realities of the OC become the matured in the NC . In this regard the law of Christ is the matured form of the law of Moses . Thus the 10 commandments are seen in their full extent in the teaching of the NC and its commandments. For this reason the 7th day sabbath tied to the OC and 10 commandments as the OC covenant summarized, is fulfilled by christ bringing rest and in its place Like baptism and the lord's supper, the lord's day becomes the New covenant holy day of worship and rest in which we look forward to the ultimate rest and remember that inaugurated by christ .
      Hence the lord's day is to the NC what the sabbath is to the OC. This is the sign of the covenant and our seperation to God as his redeemed holy people . This is why as a holy day we call it a sabbath. This was foreshadowed in the 8th day sabbath tied to the law. This is the perfect and complete sabbath of christ who is the one greater than Moses and who redeemed us from the greater Egypt to bring us into God's holy mountain as his holy people.
      Thus the lord's day being also the inaugural fulfilment of the feast of tabernacles in which we gather to God as those who come to Jerusalem, points ultimately to the NH and and NE where we will dwell forever in God's presence as Rev 7 , Isa 4, shows to be the fulfilment of the feast of tabernacles. Thus in these things Christians still have an obligation to honor the lord's day as holy. And all holy days in the Bible are treated as sabbath.

    • @davidhjgayministry
      @davidhjgayministry  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@martin.asare33 As far as I can follow, I don't think we are far apart. I am convinced the law of Christ embraces all Scripture -- not just the ten commands -- but all nuanced through Christ. The OC is fufilled and obsolete, but the word of God is permanent -- as nuanced in Christ. He is the reality of all the shadows.

    • @martin.asare33
      @martin.asare33 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@davidhjgayministry
      I agree, but like I said the lord's day becomes the fulfilment of the sabbath as a day that points to God's rest to come and which was inaugurated by christ in his death, and resurrection and ascension into the inheritance on heaven. . Thus just as the lord's supper looks back and forward to the marriage supper, so the lord's day looks back and forward to the eternal sabbath rest in the NH and NE. Hence Heb 4 says the sabbath rest is still future and we are to take heed so that we don't fall short of entering into it and this same rest is the hope of the gospel . Thus there is another day Ie the NOW God calls sinners to repent so they can enter into his rest.
      So that indeed not even the least of the commandments eg the sabbath will pass away UNTIL heaven and earth pass away. HENCE the entire 10 commandments are upheld in their fullness of extent in the law of christ pertaining to the NC. those who do not honor the lord's day as a holy day of rest and worship are they who relax the least of the commandments and teach others to do so. Thus Paul will teach against the obligation of honoring the OC sabbath as a part of living as covenant member in Col 2., Gal 3,4. However in Acts 20, 2 Cor , the church gathered on the 1st day of the week and this was when they broke bread ie the lord's supper. And in Rev 1 John speaks of being in the spirit ON the lord's day referring to a holy day set apart to the worship of christ the lord as his day of worship . Since the church worship according to the NC is the worship of Christ as lord, their gathering on the 1st day of the week for this worship indicates the 1st day of the week is the lord's day . Hence as a holy day it is a sabbath as all holy days in the OT were.

    • @davidhjgayministry
      @davidhjgayministry  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@martin.asare33 I am a Lord's day man but I do not link it to sabbath. Christ is my sabbath

  • @davidgay7714
    @davidgay7714 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Before we move on, please deal with my previous comment.

  • @PaulChristianJenkinsjd1
    @PaulChristianJenkinsjd1 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    So in a nutshell, you are saying that 1) Christ is the fulfillment of the Law. 2) When we love Christ with all of our heart and soul he lives in us, ergo 3) The fulfillment of the Law exists in us because Christ is our Lord and Savior and and lives in us? If so, I think that is probably correct. So to take it one step further, when the Hebrew Roots or even Seventh Day Adventist point to the law, we should simply point to Jesus and know that through him we are following the Law.

    • @davidgay7714
      @davidgay7714 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      An excellent attempt to capture massive truth! I would add the point that though we are perfect positionally (justification and sanctification) yet a life of progressive sanctification must and will follow since the Spirit gives us a new heart. In you last, you are spot on: point all men -- sinners and saints -- to Christ, always! The law we follow as believers is, of course, the law of Christ.

    • @georgemartian2827
      @georgemartian2827 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Fudge: Jesus hung the ordiances of man on the cross. Not the ten commandments they wer ehung on the wall. to place in our hearts and minds. Jesus said clearly, thieves dont go to heaven right? So is this breaking the law. Are you not judged by the law if you steal? Contridiction in theology is a lie, not of the word of God. If you live by the spirit you will live up to the law. To live by the law you fail. Revelations , warns us of the mark of the beast. Do yuou know what that is? Sunday worship. Jesus returnsd based upon false idolizing following th eimage bof the beast. Do you know who the anytchristi is? do you know what the mark and seal of God are? All scripture matters. Listen to your twist. Paul said nay the law be gone God forbid. Seventh day was never changed. I suggest you watch these videos: the bride and beast of babylon, the mark of the beast is not a microchip. walter veith the onslaught series. here is truth. godf blessThe law is from beginning til end and even in the new heaven and in the ark in the temple in heaven. So I ask you this. Why do you exempt the Holy sanctified day of Gods made for man. Jesus said: Matthew 5:17-20. Lets read all of it shall we. How about the part where he says this: Til heaven and earth is passed away . So fullfilment does not come til the passing of the earth. Jesus said so. How do we love God with all our heart. Deutoronomy 6:6-8. We must sing the song of Moses. Moses spoke of the endtimes and not keeping the law. Read the last paragraph in old testment. Rev 14:12. Keep Gods commandments and Jesus teachings.

    • @randymiller8839
      @randymiller8839 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      amen brother good word spot on David

    • @bigdw9545
      @bigdw9545 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@georgemartian2827 - Finding your identity in a day of the week instead of Christ exposes in what you are trusting for salvation. Please consider the weight you place on the keeping of the Sabbath contrasted with the weight you place on salvation by grace through faith in Christ alone. Which one of those two topics do you most aggressively defend? Which one is dearest to your heart?
      Just something to think about.

    • @codyalexander3290
      @codyalexander3290 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bigdw9545 that’s not how it works. The law still stands

  • @georgemartian2827
    @georgemartian2827 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    So forget the law then right, and steal, and commit adultry, and keep Sunday worship, and tell everyone your saved no matter what becuase you beleive in him. Yhe bible says. Even Satan knows Jesus died for our sins does it save him? wake up .Satan speaks. Ye that is satanic talk period. heres why. every word of scripture must meet each other as truth or it is a lie. a lie in scripture is not of the spirit of God. Why did Jesus say: That many will be called but few make it inb the narrow gate? Why did Jesus say, that those that KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD AND THE TEACHINGS OF JESUS ARE THE SAINTS? REV 14:12. Because understanding to love him with all our hearts we will keep[ his commandments. Through the holy spirit directly in spirtit to Jesus one on one we can learn to live up to the law. We want to. bercause by doing so we prepare opurselves for heeaven, rememebr the ten virgins. filled their lamps. with thte whol word of god. to prove the sabbath is important to you. i suggest you watch this video on youtube. it is all about scripture. its 2 parts. once you do and see scripture is truth and is not keeping sunday , yopu will evoplve from this new movement of grace alone . grace saves us but we play are part in it as well. god bless. watch this: the mark of the beast is not a microchip. always study scripture throughout bible not just new testment. remeber jesus said. i did not come to desdtroy the prophets. or the law. it exists even til passing of earth. do not teach any differne tthat is written. sabbath is in law. sunday was created by catholic church. by men. mens teachings. jesuits teach protestants. go research .

    • @axeattheroot2657
      @axeattheroot2657 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Those who don't believe the 10 commandments are done away immediately ask if it's okay to kill and commit adultery. BUT, the real issue at hand is the fact that the pharisees were trying to gain salvation through the works of the law by simply not committing murder and adultery. Christ then came and established His law saying that if you have hate and lust you are guilty. This is the root of the issue, which Christ wants us to bear Fruit, but not just look for external commandments to guide us (Matthew 7:16-20). It is only by having Christ that we can do what God truly wants us to do (John 15:5). And that is why we are to look to His Spirit instead of the law (2 Corinthians 3:6-17). Those who look to the Old law are looking backwards that will cause you to look away from Christ, who is a better Covenant than the law (Galatians 4:21-5:6, Romans 7:4-6, Hebrews 7:12-22). When we bear fruit we are walking in the truth of the Spirit, which is higher than the law; therefore no need of it.
      "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, long-suffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is NO LAW." Galatians 5:22-23

  • @davidgay7714
    @davidgay7714 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Oh dear. Of course, in due course all the prophecies will be fulfilled. But at the time Christ spoke...

    • @gregt9085
      @gregt9085 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Oh dear, you are evading the issue at hand. When Jesus talked the law not passing away until the law and the prophets were fulfilled, the obvious question is what does He mean by the law and the prophets? How can you proclaim this passage fulfilled when you can't explain how you defined the law and the prophets? It sounds as though you have not considered this very deeply.

  • @bch5513
    @bch5513 ปีที่แล้ว

    When you love Christ you are driven in your heart to keep the law. You won't be perfect, but to use this as an excuse to live in sin as so many do is a frankly an abomination and a self deceitful emotion of many.
    Christ's whole point is that you could never do enough to earn salvation. That's the problem with the Pharisees is there a self righteous because they thought they could be saved by the law, but they died by the law.

    • @davidhjgayministry
      @davidhjgayministry  ปีที่แล้ว

      Nothing I have said condones living in sin. I have had my say on this. www.amazon.co.uk/Clearing-Smoke-Matthew-5-Reclaimed/dp/B0BRDJ1GGK/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1ABBUAZNHNCLX&keywords=david+hj+gay+smoke&qid=1689045276&sprefix=david+hj+gay+smoke%2Caps%2C87&sr=8-1

    • @marty8028
      @marty8028 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      "You won't be perfect, but to use this as an excuse to live in sin as so many do".... this is one of the most mistaken beliefs about the Gospel - Paul called this a "scandalous report" -the report of others that he was advocating continuing in sin because we are under grace. I would ask you to provide some examples of the "many" who you claim excuse living in sin. I have listened for almost 20 years to teachers and ministers who would be considered "grace" teachers and NOT ONCE have I EVER heard any of them even hint at - much less explicitly excuse sin. Romans talks of a "righteousness revealed by God, apart from works." "For by the deeds of the Law shall no flesh be justified in His sight." God did not send the Holy Spirit into our hearts to help us keep the Law, much less be "driven" to keep it. The Spirit "leads" us and Titus makes clear he teaches us to live an upright life. Paul called the Law the "ministry of condemnation and death" - So, if I love Christ, I am "driven" to keep the ministry of condemnation and death.?? "The Letter kills, but the Spirit gives life."

  • @davidgay7714
    @davidgay7714 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    We are on totally different pages. The OC has been fulfilled and rendered obsolete. Believers are in the new covenant. I have given scripture after scripture to prove this. I think it is time to end this conversation. Thank you for engaging with me, but I see no purpose in prolonging such a fruitless discussion with you.

    • @gregt9085
      @gregt9085 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      If the conditions required by Matt. 5:17 and Luke 24:44 for the passing of the law have been met, then the second coming has already happened and full preterism is correct. This is where NCT is headed if it is logically consistent.