1689 Federalism compared to New Covenant Theology & Progressive Covenantalism
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- Discover how the covenant theology of the 2nd London Baptist Confession compares to New Covenant Theology and Progressive Covenantalism. www.1689federalism.com
NOTE: Samuel Renihan has published a lengthy review of Genry and Wellum's "Kingdom Through Covenant" in the 2014 issue of the Journal of the Institute of Reformed Baptist Studies. It is now available online for free: www.1689federalism.com/kingdom...
Thanks for the video. I appreciate the irenic tone and respectful dialogue. My only complaint is Dr. Renhan's insistence that NCT has no footsteps in church history. I believe the Zaspel & Wells have presented a thorough presentation for the historicity of NCT's view on the law in their book New Covenant Theology. Being one who is struggling with these issues, at present I land somewhere between 1689 federalism and progressive covenantalism. This video has stirred me to deeper study, thanks.
Thank you! Do you have recommended books for addressing these concerns?
Ok not trolling completely new to this channel and the men in the video.what is the mans name who’s speaking at time stamp
Thank you, I hope to look into this more. Your comments below have also been helpful.
Where can one see 1689 Federalism and Progressive covenantalism compared more exhaustively? (Preferably in book form)
No one has mentioned the great little volume by former Spurgeon's orphan and one time Principal of the Irish Baptist College David Kingdon called "Children of Abraham." It should definitely be reprinted. He lives in Wales.
Hi Jesus,
Thanks for watching. If the purpose was to provide an overview and introduction to NCT, then yes, it would be better to interview NCT theologians. But since the purpose is actually to explain 1689 Federalism in contrast to NCT, the chosen speakers worked very well. If you feel anything has been misrepresented, feel free to note it here.
I'm Reformed Baptist, and I hold to the 1689 LBCF. I still struggle to see what NCT teaches differently from 1689 Federalism...
What's the difference between 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith and 1689 Federalism?
Would it not be better to get New Covenant theologians tell you what NCT holds?
Max, I can't reply to all of your voluminous comments, but I would encourage you to spend some more time understanding 1689 Federalism, as your comments are missing the mark.
I came to discover NCT last week after researching Dr John Walton’s propositions in his Last world of the Torah book. Not the same thing, but intriguing. Since I was a youngster in an Arminian Baptist school, I was beaten over the head by the moral law and the impossibly rigorous legalism of sanctification-by-law-keeping (see any catechism and its chapter on the value of the 10 commandments for the justified), such that I just eventually gave up and apostasized. Sanctification-by-law is so depressing to me. Now I am intrigued and searching for a second chance to find sanctification by grace through the Spirit and stumbled on this video and a different book by Fred Zaspel called How to read and understand the Psalms. That book is so good that I figure NCT must be good too!
Kingdom through Covenant, the book which outlines Progressive Covenanalsim, isn't outlining Progressive Dispensationalism. To understand Wellum and Gentry here it helps to read their book, which I don't think the video, especially the speaker who absurdly challenges the relation of their doctrine of the trinity to their outline of the historical covenants, does a great job articulating. Their can't be reduced to half a TH-cam video, like all things worth learning. The best way to evaluate it is to take it up and read it.
Thanks for this.
"for the law made nothing perfect...a better hope is introduced, through which we draw near to God." Hebrews
I sense this video lumps together NCT and PC in an unhelpful way. There is very little criticism to PC and a lot of (what I would say, warranted) criticism to NCT. I think PC has corrected so many of the weaknesses of NCT. I think Dr. Renihan (Sr.) especially does this.
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