Excellent! Great way of explaining the difference between the Old and the New Covenant. The Scripture reading you suggested I read through this morning and brings together with such clarity the overwhelming promises of the New Covenant grace message. We are so blessed to be living in the days after the cross when the New Covenant was brought in. Where God made this New Covenant with God and not with man. Therefore eliminating the possibility of the promises He made between God the Father and God the Son. He cannot break that promise ( covenant) to Himself and we who are IN Christ are the beneficiaries of this marvelous eternal life gift to those who will believe in Jesus! Praise the Lord my dear brother!
God bless you brother! 1 Timothy 4:10 - The New International Version (NIV) 10 That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.
I am an ELCA Lutheran from South Carolina. Today (March 18, Lent 5), this was our Old Testament Lesson of the Day. This passage is also read in the Lutheran Church on Reformation Sunday, which is celebrated every year on the last Sunday in October (Festival Day is October 31, which is the day that Martin Luther nailed his 95 Theses on the front door of the church in Wittenberg, Germany).
This was exactly what I was looking for when I googled what is the new covenant, I was raised seventh day Adventist and though I'm not anymore it's still hard sometimes to sum up the new covenant. Thank you so much for taking the time to explain the gospel, I thank God for the Holy Spirit.
I love the way he expresses how the new covenant would different. Why would anyone go back to something doesn't save you spiritually? We don't have offer sacrifices or atone with sacrifices of animals. he is making it very clear about how we are saved through faith in Christ.
According to Gal3:15-17 a covenant is never made obsolete. Each covenant is taken into the next covenant. The “old” covenant is obsolete only in the fact that the old covenant’s prophesied of the NC and Jesus sacrifice being the better, complete, and fulfilling sacrifice. Without the covenant to Abraham how could God keep His promise to all nation for one people?
We certainly agree on the finished work of Jesus. Also thank you for this dialogue sir. I see Heb. 8:13 as we are now in the second covenant (however the unbelieving nation of Israel is not) but also seeing that the older covenant cannot be abolished because Paul said in Gal.3:15-17. I’m sorry but I have to agree with Paul because you seem to be saying the new covenant abolished the older Covenant already and he said that can’t happen. So I take this and apply it to Heb.8:13 which to me reads that is is vanishing, not that it already has. This also is the meaning of my comment about the covenant with Abraham because God can’t break His promise with that covenant nor the mosaic covenant by abolishing them. I would be so bold to say if you believe the second covenant has already ended the first covenant then the first covenant has ended David’s covenant which ended Abraham’s covenant which ended Noah’s covenant. I do believe as believers saved by grace through faith we are to worship God with His Torah which in the Christian religion usually means the second covenant did away with God’s Torah.
You are leaping way beyond Scripture. God through Jer. promised that he would bring in a new covenant, unlike the old. 'New' speaks of replacement -- supersede. Gal. 3:23-25 (Greek -- not some of the very poor translations) tells us that the old covenant was a temporary covenant, lasting until Christ (verse 19). 2000 years ago the old covenant was obsolete -- the 'becoming' (Heb. 8:13) does not mean 'in so many thousands of years from now'. As for Noahic, Abrahamic, Davidic covenants, it is mere speculation to talk about them in this context. The video and the passages I have quoted refer to old (Mosaic) and new covenants only. That is all I am speaking about here.
I agree with you sir on all points except the context of how your using Gal.3:23-25. God’s Torah guarded Israel or all believers by faith to be holy and righteous before God. Also the chapter also is about be condemned by God’s Torah. It’s not Christ replacing The old covenant or replacing Torah but Jesus filling or making full what the Torah is lacking. Therefore under the new covenant we can now pursue it’s full purpose through the blood of Christ and The Spirit of God puts this Torah in our hearts. Christ only fulfilled the purposes of His first coming including the atonement sacrifice and will completely fulfill the rest at His second coming.
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Dear Mr Gay, this is indeed a great blessing to hear this chapter exegeted so clearly and simply. What a help! I'm soon to be preaching on this portion myself and I find your comments to be of great help.Many thanks.
Minute 7:40 and beyond you questioned the "Old " vs the "New" covenant. And what about the 10 commandments? It is and old made/transferred/renewed/refreshed/reinstated/incorporated into the new convenant? In addition ....who gave the old covenant? What it the same Christ (in spirit) or his father? Greetings
The new covenant uses all Scripture nuanced in and through Christ. God gave the old covenant and its law to Israel as a temporary covenant until Christ fufilled it and brought in the new covenant. Hebrews is explicit, as is Galatians etc.
The great force of you wonderfull preaching if the New covenant exited the light on my Nativity that impressed me very much, mean your holy energy reach the little light that will become the light of all men in the whole world.
Dear David, can you, please, clarify to me when this prophecy was fulfilled in Israel? "But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And no longer shall each one teach his neighbour and each his brother, saying: “Know the Lord”, for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest" Thank you.
Jeremiah was speaking about Christ bringing the new covenant. He was not prophesying a new covenant with OC Israel. Heb. 8:8-13 etc. is explicit. The prophecy refers to the Spirit's work in the elect under the gospel.
@@davidhjgayministry This prophecy is very clear about its recipients, about who is the object of a new covenant: the house of Israel, the house of Judah, the ones that where brought out of the Egypt.
You are reading the prophecy through the glasses of the OC. We must read it as the NC does -- it never reads it literally as you do. It always reads it spiritually -- Christ, the gospel, the elect... etc. See my 'Christ Is All' for full details.
@@davidhjgayministry Thanks for your response. So we, Christians, should read all prophecy in a "spiritual" way, or just this specific prophecy of Jeremiah?
We read it first as it was said to Israel and Judah in the OC. If before the exile, we often see a prophecy of the return. But frequently we see the NC, the gospel, Christ. 1 Pet. 1:8-10 etc. We look for and preach Christ in all the Scriptures Luke 24; Acts 3; Acts10; 1 Cor. 2:2; 9:16; 2 Cor. 4:5.
Of course it does. Jeremiah was prophesying in the days of the old covenant. Consequently, he used old covenant language. He could do nothing else. But the new covenant reads such prophecies through Christ and his work. One example. Amos 9:15-19 as seen in the new covenant Acts 15:12-19. For more on this see www.amazon.com/s?k=david+hj+gay+christ+is+all&crid=1EICGKSVSMEGD&sprefix=david+hj+gay+christ+is+all%2Caps%2C194&ref=nb_sb_noss
Why would renew an old covenant that didn't work? It is different. We don't have to keep days month and years. We can eat what was considered unclean. Most people think that Mathew 15 is only talking about hand washing and won't read where Jesus said what you put in your mouth doesn't make you spiritually defiled but it is what comes out of your heart. 🙄
Since Jeremiah makes the point that in the new covenant the law (of Christ, of course) will be written on the hearts of the regenerate, and in the old covenant the law (of Moses, of course) was written on stone, the answer to your question is 'No'. BUT... more precisely, since you speak of OT saints, they would, by anticipation, have been 'in' the new covenant, were regenerate, and so they loved God's law. I don't think we are told much about their 'anomalous' position. Hope this helps. Thank you for the stimulating question.
@@davidhjgayministry If I understand you rightly both saints of Old and New Covenant experience regeneration but no Law was written on the heart of an Old Covenant believer. Is this your viewpoint?
@@dougdozier8782 Sorry if not clear enough -- I think the OT saints were 'in' NC so I think they did have the spiritual law written on their hearts. But I am not sure that were are told much about this. Have you any ideas?
@@davidhjgayministry I would say the same. I would argue that they have the same spiritual law on their hearts just like new Covenant believers do. The spiritual intent of the Law has always existed in both covenants. A clear example Paul uses is paying preachers in 1Corinthians Ch.9:8-14. What does a law about not muzzling your ox while it threads out the grain have to with a new Covenant believer? Paul says it was written for our sake also so you should pay your preacher(summarizing). The point is that a specefic Law found in the Law of Moses had a spiritual intent behind it in the Old Covenant that applies to a new Covenant believer. I believe this spiritual intent was "love your neighbor as yourself." We see Paul make this argument in Roman's 13:8-10. So when saints in both Covenants are regenerated the spiritual intent of the law is written on their hearts. I believe Christ magnifies the Law (Isaiah 42:21) and teaching us the true intent of that Law that always existed even under the old Covenant (Sermon on the Mount). Christ is not superseding the Law or correcting Moses but teaches us the Laws true spiritual intent. This would be a challenge for scribes and pharisees who followed commandments of men and their fathers traditions rather than the Law of God. I hope this wasn't confusing. This is fascinating to me and I appreciate your videos.
Very Good. Thank you. Also critical to this discussion is Ezekiel 36, which also puts Israel in their own land when God gives them this new heart, not before.
Hi David, I'm agreeing with you. The issue for so many is whether or not natural Israel should occupy the land. I say they should and God said He would bring them back to their own land, and there give them the new heart, the heart to serve the Messiah, which agrees with Jeremiah 31. So far they are in the land, now we await their conversion, which from what I read, will probably happen near or at the very end. God bless.
Consider in the light of this clear and understandable explanation: John Hagee teaching the Jews don't need Christ because they still have a separate covenant with God. An unconditional covenant .
Amen Beloved brother, I do not and I'm 1000% with you. I am still praying for John Hagee and for the Lord's mercy for him and the salvation for every Jew. I am actively corresponding with Orthodox Jewish Rabbis on line, attempting to reach them with the GOSPEL, that Christ has removed the barrier, i.e.the law that separated us and has now made from two, one body in Christ. God bless, @@davidhjgayministry
My pastor quoted that today and I didn't understand, stone than flesh now I understand , lately I've there been strange coincidence, but good that been happening to me lately , answer come quick to me ,like within hour ,minutes the same day
The New covenant for the house of Judah and the House If Israel .. Was established on the day of Pentecost.. There were no Gentiles there ..,The gentiles were added later thru adoption example with Cornelius, Apollos, Ethiopian Unich … That needed a born again Newcovenant Israelite to teach them the truth and baptize them with the same baptism ACTA 2:38
Heb.8:13 speaks of it being ready to vanish away and is decaying. I’m sure your familiar with Matt.5:17-19 so I will just suggest that our Messiah hasn’t fulfilled all of God’s Torah. He hasn’t physically returned yet, nor has He judgment seat of Christ taken place nor has The Messianic Kingdom started. Gal 3:17 tells us that one covenant doesn’t annul a previous covenant. The old covenant hasn’t been abolished but it will one day until all has been fulfilled and of course the covenant made with Abraham cannot be abolished because it is with this that God promised all nations will be one people by faith and this promise can’t be abolished till the last person comes to faith in Christ and that person too becomes a son of Abraham by faith.
Heb. 8:13 means it was ended there and then in Christ's finished work. John 19:30 -- finished -- Matt. 5:17-18 fulfilled in the finished work of Christ. Hence Rom. 8:1-4 etc. Who said the Abrahamic covenant is abolished? Jer. 31 is about the Mosaic covenant.
Is the new covenant still being implemented? "No longer shall they teach one another, or say to each other, 'Know the LORD,' for they shall all know me, . . . says the LORD." Christians know the LORD through reading the Bible, but we do not know Him fully. We have much to learn about His nature and His character, because we see Him darkly. It seems as though the teaching of the Word and teaching of Who God is remains necessary, even today.
Today somebody on TH-cam tried to make a Jew out of me under the (of course) threat of going to hell if I don't do what he says. He tried to convince me about Shaul of Tarsus being a liar and a fraud because he is writings were different from the rest of apostle's scriptures and because he wasn't one of the 12. I've copy pasted him Jeremiah 31-34 in 6 different versions and said "pick the one you like the most".
Yes, these men exist. I take the apostle to be establishing the gospel in the face of such men. 1 Cor. 1:18 -- 4:21; 2 Cor. is all about this sort of thing. I know the kind of accusation that has been levelled against you -- know of it in a personal way -- but go on by faith. The apostle is always very clear to establish his apostolic credentials -- for the very reason you have found. See Gal. 1:1 -- well into Gal. 2 for instance.
You misunderstand the fulfilment of the prophecy -- not OC Israel but NC. Jews and Gentiles need to be converted. Only the elect (Jew or Gentile) brought to faith have been given the Spirit. See Hebrews 8:8-13.
@@davidhjgayministry Dear David, the prophesy is very clear. The new covenant is with the "house of Israel, and with the house of Judah" v31 and "they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them". So, for this prophesy to be fulfilled, all the house of Israel and the house of Judah have to be devoted to God. All of them. There's no need to teach anyone. You say that Jews and Gentiles need to be converted. Then how can the prophesy be fulfilled, as we need to teach our neighbor? Even inside the church there's a need for the gift of teacher.
Seems pretty simple but made complicated. There was an old covenant. The people "didn't remain faithful to my covenant," Hebrews 8:9. The fault with this first covenant was "with the people." Hebrews 8:8. God finds fault with the people not His perfect law. And that makes sense because then He tells us that He will write these same laws on our hearts and on our minds Hebrews 8:10. God gives us a new heart and the Holy Spirit so we keep His decrees and His commandments Ezekiel 11:19-20. Problem = peoples hearts, God's Solution = new heart Seems too simple.
ISRAEL Y LA BIBLIA has made a comment but it does not show here. However, I note that you refer to 'the Hebrew Bible' -- we must let the whole Bible, especially the NT, be our interpreter by the Spirit. Hebrews 8 is explicit.
Jackson & Jeanne please have your conversation on your own youtube. I have given you enough space and you are cluttering up my work. You have your view and I have mine. You state yours on your space and I will state my view on mine and leave the public to decide. Thank you.
I cannot see the comment here -- as far as I understand the comment, I have addressed it. I need more information about what is being asked or suggested.
@@davidhjgayministry Hello brother David. The reason you do not see my comment is I somehow managed with my super intelligence to erase it in a split second. It was rather long so I will have to write it again. It deals with Jeremiah. I absolutely love this book and chapter 31. See you in a few. Mark
@@davidhjgayministry Hi there again, I would like to have your opinion on my thoughts on the below Jeremiah scriptors and my comments. I like the way you thoroughly explain your knowledge of scripture. You make sure all the details are attached. I thank God for your wisdom. Before I start I have to say that I was saved 5 years ago and became a member of a church which baptised me. I left shortly after as they pressured me extremely. The church is called ICOC (international churches of christ). I then 5 years later, now, went back. Now I found out that they are: -Preterists -Replacement Theoligist (church replaced israel) -believe in works to keep Salvation -believe we can lose salvation in many ways by not obeyilng jesus commands. Ok so here we go…. Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Point 1. God made the new covenant with the nation of israel as they broke the old covenant (mosaic covenant, Law). Israel is still under this covenant. God will put his law into their inwards (instead of tablets) and in their hearts and they shall not have to teach each other of the Lord anymore. I think this is an Instant event which happens in a split second at the second coming of Jesus where God instantly gives the jewish remnant the knowledge of the Law and Messiah. This is the only way they would not have to teach each other about the Lord as they all at the same time recieve the word in their hearts and minds. In the millenium the Jews will reign according to the law spreading and teaching to the surviving nations and people on earth. Point 2 I Dont think this is ever meant for the gentiles as we will be the bride of Christ and body of Christ to rule above those on earth. Above-- being at a higher authority. I Dont think the jewish remnant will receive glorified bodies as the church (body) will. The israeliter and remaining gentiles on earth will enjoy the blessings of Israel (abrahamic covenant) once they learn and obey Gods Laws. They will also live long and prosperous. Some even through the whole 1000 years. If one dies at 100 he will be thought to die as a Child. Gentiles have their own salvific rules. We are saved at an Instant when we Believe having Faith in what Jesus did for us on the cross (death burial ressourrection). When we trust in Jesus we Receive the Holy Spirit. We walk completely in faith without any physical requirements or works....vs the jews requiring a sign and law. There was a reason why Jesus told Paul (minister to the gentiles) not to baptise but to preach the gospel only. 1Co 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. I Believe we are saved by this gospel. (By the Grace of God through our Faith, not works) 1Co 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 1Co 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: Gentiles are saved as Cornelius and the roman Jailer. There will be a small amount of jewish individuals to be saved as the gentiles. But only a very few. The rest of the Jews and israel will be dealt with in the 7 year tribulation. They betrayed God but through the new Covenant he will save them in the end at Jesus coming. Point 3 Acts 2 pentacost (repent and be baptised etc.) I see to be under this new covenant as Peter addresses Isreal as a people and Nation. The repent and be baptised for the revision of sins does not meant that they are saved at that Instant during pentacost. I think they must do this to qualify and LATER be saved at Jesus coming.. Here my rensoning…….Acts 3:19 and 20 Acts 3.19 Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; Act 3:20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: Peter addresses again the Nation of israel and here he says that their sins will be blotted out at the times of refreshig when Jesus comes (second coming). So the jews according to the new covenant will be saved at the second coming but only those who will repent and be baptised for the remission of sins. Remission of sins being a preparation vs Instant salvation. Salvation happens to jews when jesus comes and he puts his law into their hearts and inwards. Instantly. ____________________ I thank you for reading my comments as this is my current belief. Unfortunately I cannot convince my church members of this as they are as mentioned above Replacement therists etc.........I feel I cannot learn from them but they may profit from my beliefs. It is very frustrating as they seem to be blinded. I fear that replacement-theory may be a curse on israel and abraham. If one replaces israel with the church then he is denying the importance of Israel which God declared holy and even described israel as his first born. He who curses israel shall be cursed himself. I am afraid to be a part of such a church as I do not want to be cursed with them. These are just my thoughts. If you feel the desire to comment then I would appreciate your view. God bless you and your loved ones All Glory to God.
Jeremiah 31 35Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name: 36If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever. Romans 11 1I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying, 3Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life. 4But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. 5Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. 7What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded 8(According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day. 9And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them: 10Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway. 11I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. 12Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness? 13For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: 14If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them. 15For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead? 16For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches. 17And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; 18Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. 19Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. 20Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: 21For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. 22Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. 23And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again
The very first word spoken by God in the Torah (Bible)....in Hebrew- "Bear-a-sheet";....the Hebrew letters..beit, resh, aleph, shin, yod, Tav...as anyone knows that every Hebrew letter has a word picture like pictograph associated with each letter.. if you study the word pictures the word tells a story and the story is this...."the Son is mightily destroyed by his own doing on the cross"...Tav means cross or covenant...so the very first words spoken by God tells of the New Covenant Messiah Jesus offering his body on a cross.. amazing you should go study that there's lots of videos on it.
@@davidhjgayministry I learned this from this brother...th-cam.com/video/RmnUkNT55gU/w-d-xo.html Check it out it's amazing the Hebrew language is amazing it's an ancient language... And God's word is perfect..
Revelations 22 10And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand. 11He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. 12And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. 14Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. 16I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
Oh brother. Think Think Think. There are so many problems with everything you say, it's incredible. Let's just deal with Jeremiah for now. It says nowhere that God has done away with the old testament. I'm sure you are aware but in case you aren't, Hebrews changed, that's right changed the word of God and translated the word wrong. It's husband, not rejected. "Husband" is saying just the opposite. That God is still there and will not leave us although we have sinned. That alone should make every christian say how can I trust the "new testament". As far as this new covenant, there is no question at all that it hasn't happened yet. It says very clear that there will be universal knowledge of God when this new covenant happens. If that were the case today, why would you need missionaries? Ever hear of atheists??? DUH. It also says that it will be with Israel and the house of Judah. That means the 12 tribes will be together. We still don't know who the 10 tribes are. All people have to do is think.
I do not accept that 'Hebrews chamged'. I stand by Hebrews 7, 8 and 10. You are not quarrelling with me but with the writer of Hebrews. Then read Romans 6, 7 and 8, Galatians, Ephesians 2, Philippians 3 etc. You are quarrelling with Paul.
@@davidhjgayministry You don't accept that?? There is nothing to accept. It is undisputed fact. The problem is you and probably 99.9% of christians don't know hebrew so you believe whatever you are told. Paul was a jew and he knew hebrew which is why he gave up trying to convert jews and focused on non-jews. He knew they could not refute whatever he said. Ever wonder why the church has always taught Greek and Latin? Why not learn the original language, hebrew. It's very obvious it was done so people would not know the lies. If you only knew how many mistranslations and fabrications your religion is based on, you would run from every church you see.
@@nothingbutthetruth613 I do not accept your premise, and I see no hope of each of us changing the view of the other. I suggest we leave our conversation there. Christ will give his ruling on the final day.
@@davidhjgayministry I'll have to agree with you that your mind won't be changed but if you have no answer, and I know you won't ask anyone else but nobody will have an answer, there is no reason for you to believe it. I'll just give you one more example and I promise there are hundreds. Isaiah 53 which is relied on to be the smoking gun. The passage that every missionary refers to with confidence that this will convince anyone about the authority of jesus in the old testament. If it was translated correctly no thinking person would EVER believe that this is referring to him. There are many problems but my favorite is 53:8 where it actually says "THEY suffered FROM our sins". Not "He suffered for our sins". How can "they" mean jesus and what would "from" our sins mean. Of course the church had to change the words to conform to their belief but it is another lie. I challenge you or anyone else to look this up. Bless you and good luck to you.
@@nothingbutthetruth613 Jesus did not die to redeem his people? What, then, do 2 Cor. 5:21; 1 Pet. 1:18-21; 1 John 1:7 -- 2:2 mean? And that's the merest sample of such statements throughout the NT -- all forshadowed in the old covenant -- in the law and the prophets. Christ made this as clear as day -- Luke 24:25-27.
Jesus did not fulfill this prophecy, read what verse 34 says, what God says in verse 34 has not happened. Also read Isaiah 2:2-5, Isaiah 11:1-10, Jeremiah 31:31-34, Jeremiah 33:14-18 ,Ezekiel 37:24-28 . Nothing that was spoken has been accomplised by the messiah in the messianic age. Infact Jesus did not fulfill any prophesies. To mention few read all the prophecies in Mathew, all are out of context. The fetal flaw here is that the so called messianic prophetic portrait is largely a Christian fiction that among other things regularly relies on fabrication of prophesies as well as tendentious misquotations and misapplications of the passages in Hebrew scriptures. .This person has not read the bible nor understood the prophecies. Infact the Romans made a mess of scriptures, inventing, Jesus god, Trinity, sunday worship instead sabbath Saturday, Christmas, easter, these are festivals of God, but pagan, in the same way, baptism instead of circumcision. This man is trying to defend the lies which is the New Testament . We have been believing the lies since 2000 yrs. Jesus said I am coming quickly, what does quickly mean, does it mean 2000 yrs. 2000 yrs have passed, still people think he is coming quickly, does it make sense. Remember Jesus never existed. Do the research. Seek the truth, seeking truth is not a sin.
With respect, this is nonsense. Read the letter to the Hebrews. Try Heb.8 for a start. I leave your comment to show others how people can force preconceptions on the plain statements of Scripture. 'The fatal flaw' in your argument is that the NT is against you.
Exceptional. Well done, good and faithful brother.
Excellent! Great way of explaining the difference between the Old and the New Covenant. The Scripture reading you suggested I read through this morning and brings together with such clarity the overwhelming promises of the New Covenant grace message. We are so blessed to be living in the days after the cross when the New Covenant was brought in. Where God made this New Covenant with God and not with man. Therefore eliminating the possibility of the promises He made between God the Father and God the Son. He cannot break that promise ( covenant) to Himself and we who are IN Christ are the beneficiaries of this marvelous eternal life gift to those who will believe in Jesus! Praise the Lord my dear brother!
Much appreciate your encouragement. Let's keep pressing on -- more are coming to read Scripture without being clouded by man-made systems.
Amen Christ in us, the hope of glory spiritually alive to my God now made into a new creation in Christ Jesus.
Excellent sir! Thank you.
Listened again. And I praise God! Thank you sir. The Lord's blessings be upon you!!
Thank you.
God bless you brother!
1 Timothy 4:10 - The New International Version (NIV)
10 That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.
I am an ELCA Lutheran from South Carolina. Today (March 18, Lent 5), this was our Old Testament Lesson of the Day. This passage is also read in the Lutheran Church on Reformation Sunday, which is celebrated every year on the last Sunday in October (Festival Day is October 31, which is the day that Martin Luther nailed his 95 Theses on the front door of the church in Wittenberg, Germany).
This was exactly what I was looking for when I googled what is the new covenant, I was raised seventh day Adventist and though I'm not anymore it's still hard sometimes to sum up the new covenant. Thank you so much for taking the time to explain the gospel, I thank God for the Holy Spirit.
Delighted to get your comment. Much appreciate your encouragement. You can find more at davidhjgay.com
This was amazing! So glad the Holy Spirit lead me across this. Bless you!
Glad you found it and found it useful.
Thank you for the encouragement.
I love the way he expresses how the new covenant would different. Why would anyone go back to something doesn't save you spiritually? We don't have offer sacrifices or atone with sacrifices of animals. he is making it very clear about how we are saved through faith in Christ.
Are you then implying that old testament saints were saved by works?
Or were not saved grace?
Wow - this was nice to see. Thank you!
Thank you.
I need prayer for cancer and terrible autoimmune disease
Hope you get well
According to Gal3:15-17 a covenant is never made obsolete. Each covenant is taken into the next covenant. The “old” covenant is obsolete only in the fact that the old covenant’s prophesied of the NC and Jesus sacrifice being the better, complete, and fulfilling sacrifice. Without the covenant to Abraham how could God keep His promise to all nation for one people?
How about Heb. 8:13? The old covenant is not 'taken into the' new covenant, as you put it. It has fulfilled its God-appointed task.
We certainly agree on the finished work of Jesus. Also thank you for this dialogue sir. I see Heb. 8:13 as we are now in the second covenant (however the unbelieving nation of Israel is not) but also seeing that the older covenant cannot be abolished because Paul said in Gal.3:15-17. I’m sorry but I have to agree with Paul because you seem to be saying the new covenant abolished the older Covenant already and he said that can’t happen. So I take this and apply it to Heb.8:13 which to me reads that is is vanishing, not that it already has. This also is the meaning of my comment about the covenant with Abraham because God can’t break His promise with that covenant nor the mosaic covenant by abolishing them. I would be so bold to say if you believe the second covenant has already ended the first covenant then the first covenant has ended David’s covenant which ended Abraham’s covenant which ended Noah’s covenant. I do believe as believers saved by grace through faith we are to worship God with His Torah which in the Christian religion usually means the second covenant did away with God’s Torah.
You are leaping way beyond Scripture. God through Jer. promised that he would bring in a new covenant, unlike the old. 'New' speaks of replacement -- supersede. Gal. 3:23-25 (Greek -- not some of the very poor translations) tells us that the old covenant was a temporary covenant, lasting until Christ (verse 19). 2000 years ago the old covenant was obsolete -- the 'becoming' (Heb. 8:13) does not mean 'in so many thousands of years from now'. As for Noahic, Abrahamic, Davidic covenants, it is mere speculation to talk about them in this context. The video and the passages I have quoted refer to old (Mosaic) and new covenants only. That is all I am speaking about here.
I agree with you sir on all points except the context of how your using Gal.3:23-25. God’s Torah guarded Israel or all believers by faith to be holy and righteous before God. Also the chapter also is about be condemned by God’s Torah. It’s not Christ replacing The old covenant or replacing Torah but Jesus filling or making full what the Torah is lacking. Therefore under the new covenant we can now pursue it’s full purpose through the blood of Christ and The Spirit of God puts this Torah in our hearts. Christ only fulfilled the purposes of His first coming including the atonement sacrifice and will completely fulfill the rest at His second coming.
May I suggest you read my booklet on this vital passage? www.amazon.com/Three-Verses-Misunderstood-Galatians-Expounded/dp/1545288240/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1522112623&sr=8-1&keywords=david+hj+gay+three
Dear Mr Gay, this is indeed a great blessing to hear this chapter exegeted so clearly and simply. What a help! I'm soon to be preaching on this portion myself and I find your comments to be of great help.Many thanks.
Thank you very much indeed for such a warm response.
Minute 7:40 and beyond you questioned the "Old " vs the "New" covenant. And what about the 10 commandments? It is and old made/transferred/renewed/refreshed/reinstated/incorporated into the new convenant?
In addition ....who gave the old covenant? What it the same Christ (in spirit) or his father?
Greetings
The new covenant uses all Scripture nuanced in and through Christ. God gave the old covenant and its law to Israel as a temporary covenant until Christ fufilled it and brought in the new covenant. Hebrews is explicit, as is Galatians etc.
Beautifully explained by the love and power of the Holy Spirit who dwells in you! Thank you, now I have what I need to share with others♡
Thank you.
The great force of you wonderfull preaching if the New covenant exited the light on my Nativity that impressed me very much, mean your holy energy reach the little light that will become the light of all men in the whole world.
Thank you for you support.
Dear David, can you, please, clarify to me when this prophecy was fulfilled in Israel?
"But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And no longer shall each one teach his neighbour and each his brother, saying: “Know the Lord”, for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest"
Thank you.
Jeremiah was speaking about Christ bringing the new covenant. He was not prophesying a new covenant with OC Israel. Heb. 8:8-13 etc. is explicit. The prophecy refers to the Spirit's work in the elect under the gospel.
@@davidhjgayministry This prophecy is very clear about its recipients, about who is the object of a new covenant: the house of Israel, the house of Judah, the ones that where brought out of the Egypt.
You are reading the prophecy through the glasses of the OC. We must read it as the NC does -- it never reads it literally as you do. It always reads it spiritually -- Christ, the gospel, the elect... etc. See my 'Christ Is All' for full details.
@@davidhjgayministry Thanks for your response. So we, Christians, should read all prophecy in a "spiritual" way, or just this specific prophecy of Jeremiah?
We read it first as it was said to Israel and Judah in the OC. If before the exile, we often see a prophecy of the return. But frequently we see the NC, the gospel, Christ. 1 Pet. 1:8-10 etc. We look for and preach Christ in all the Scriptures Luke 24; Acts 3; Acts10; 1 Cor. 2:2; 9:16; 2 Cor. 4:5.
It says a covenant with the house of Israel. Not the body of Christ.
Of course it does. Jeremiah was prophesying in the days of the old covenant. Consequently, he used old covenant language. He could do nothing else. But the new covenant reads such prophecies through Christ and his work. One example. Amos 9:15-19 as seen in the new covenant Acts 15:12-19. For more on this see www.amazon.com/s?k=david+hj+gay+christ+is+all&crid=1EICGKSVSMEGD&sprefix=david+hj+gay+christ+is+all%2Caps%2C194&ref=nb_sb_noss
Why would renew an old covenant that didn't work? It is different. We don't have to keep days month and years. We can eat what was considered unclean. Most people think that Mathew 15 is only talking about hand washing and won't read where Jesus said what you put in your mouth doesn't make you spiritually defiled but it is what comes out of your heart. 🙄
Praise the Lord! 🙏👍❤️😎
Was the Law written on Old Testament saints hearts?
Since Jeremiah makes the point that in the new covenant the law (of Christ, of course) will be written on the hearts of the regenerate, and in the old covenant the law (of Moses, of course) was written on stone, the answer to your question is 'No'. BUT... more precisely, since you speak of OT saints, they would, by anticipation, have been 'in' the new covenant, were regenerate, and so they loved God's law. I don't think we are told much about their 'anomalous' position. Hope this helps. Thank you for the stimulating question.
@@davidhjgayministry If I understand you rightly both saints of Old and New Covenant experience regeneration but no Law was written on the heart of an Old Covenant believer. Is this your viewpoint?
@@dougdozier8782 Sorry if not clear enough -- I think the OT saints were 'in' NC so I think they did have the spiritual law written on their hearts. But I am not sure that were are told much about this. Have you any ideas?
@@davidhjgayministry I would say the same. I would argue that they have the same spiritual law on their hearts just like new Covenant believers do. The spiritual intent of the Law has always existed in both covenants. A clear example Paul uses is paying preachers in 1Corinthians Ch.9:8-14. What does a law about not muzzling your ox while it threads out the grain have to with a new Covenant believer? Paul says it was written for our sake also so you should pay your preacher(summarizing). The point is that a specefic Law found in the Law of Moses had a spiritual intent behind it in the Old Covenant that applies to a new Covenant believer. I believe this spiritual intent was "love your neighbor as yourself." We see Paul make this argument in Roman's 13:8-10. So when saints in both Covenants are regenerated the spiritual intent of the law is written on their hearts. I believe Christ magnifies the Law (Isaiah 42:21) and teaching us the true intent of that Law that always existed even under the old Covenant (Sermon on the Mount). Christ is not superseding the Law or correcting Moses but teaches us the Laws true spiritual intent. This would be a challenge for scribes and pharisees who followed commandments of men and their fathers traditions rather than the Law of God. I hope this wasn't confusing. This is fascinating to me and I appreciate your videos.
@@dougdozier8782 Mutual! Clearly David and his fellow-believers were regenerate. I also enjoyed the conversation. Thank you.
Praise God!!
Very Good. Thank you. Also critical to this discussion is Ezekiel 36, which also puts Israel in their own land when God gives them this new heart, not before.
Mike65809 You need to unpack this for me.
Hi David, I'm agreeing with you. The issue for so many is whether or not natural Israel should occupy the land. I say they should and God said He would bring them back to their own land, and there give them the new heart, the heart to serve the Messiah, which agrees with Jeremiah 31. So far they are in the land, now we await their conversion, which from what I read, will probably happen near or at the very end. God bless.
Trying to reconcile this with physical promises to Israel.
Can somebody explain to me what will happen with the Jews that rejected Jesus Christ today? is it essential for their salvation?
A Jew or a Gentiles must trust Christ or they will perish (John 3:15-19,36, for instance).
I love this interpretation very much. Lord thank you for the new covenant not a rehashed old covenat
I agree!
Consider in the light of this clear and understandable explanation: John Hagee teaching the Jews don't need Christ because they still have a separate covenant with God. An unconditional covenant .
James Bradford: I presume -- and hope -- that you do not agree with JH? The Jews need saving as much as any men. Christ, and Christ alone, can save.
Amen
Beloved brother, I do not and I'm 1000% with you. I am still praying for John Hagee and for the Lord's mercy for him and the salvation for every Jew. I am actively corresponding with Orthodox Jewish Rabbis on line, attempting to reach them with the GOSPEL, that Christ has removed the barrier, i.e.the law that separated us and has now made from two, one body in Christ.
God bless,
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Praise God!
My pastor quoted that today and I didn't understand, stone than flesh now I understand , lately I've there been strange coincidence, but good that been happening to me lately , answer come quick to me ,like within hour ,minutes the same day
Glad it is clear.
The New covenant for the house of Judah and the House If Israel .. Was established on the day of Pentecost.. There were no Gentiles there ..,The gentiles were added later thru adoption example with Cornelius, Apollos, Ethiopian Unich … That needed a born again Newcovenant Israelite to teach them the truth and baptize them with the same baptism ACTA 2:38
Neither Jew nor Gentile now (Gal. 3:28. Only those in Christ and those who are not.
Heb.8:13 speaks of it being ready to vanish away and is decaying. I’m sure your familiar with Matt.5:17-19 so I will just suggest that our Messiah hasn’t fulfilled all of God’s Torah. He hasn’t physically returned yet, nor has He judgment seat of Christ taken place nor has The Messianic Kingdom started. Gal 3:17 tells us that one covenant doesn’t annul a previous covenant. The old covenant hasn’t been abolished but it will one day until all has been fulfilled and of course the covenant made with Abraham cannot be abolished because it is with this that God promised all nations will be one people by faith and this promise can’t be abolished till the last person comes to faith in Christ and that person too becomes a son of Abraham by faith.
Heb. 8:13 means it was ended there and then in Christ's finished work. John 19:30 -- finished -- Matt. 5:17-18 fulfilled in the finished work of Christ. Hence Rom. 8:1-4 etc. Who said the Abrahamic covenant is abolished? Jer. 31 is about the Mosaic covenant.
Is the new covenant still being implemented? "No longer shall they teach one another, or say to each other, 'Know the LORD,' for they shall all know me, . . . says the LORD." Christians know the LORD through reading the Bible, but we do not know Him fully. We have much to learn about His nature and His character, because we see Him darkly. It seems as though the teaching of the Word and teaching of Who God is remains necessary, even today.
New covenant fully active -- final realisation yet to be, of course.
Today somebody on TH-cam tried to make a Jew out of me under the (of course) threat of going to hell if I don't do what he says. He tried to convince me about Shaul of Tarsus being a liar and a fraud because he is writings were different from the rest of apostle's scriptures and because he wasn't one of the 12.
I've copy pasted him Jeremiah 31-34 in 6 different versions and said "pick the one you like the most".
Yes, these men exist. I take the apostle to be establishing the gospel in the face of such men. 1 Cor. 1:18 -- 4:21; 2 Cor. is all about this sort of thing. I know the kind of accusation that has been levelled against you -- know of it in a personal way -- but go on by faith. The apostle is always very clear to establish his apostolic credentials -- for the very reason you have found. See Gal. 1:1 -- well into Gal. 2 for instance.
Right they want to say Jesus didn't fulfill everything yet.
Why are there christian missionaries in Israel if this prophesy is already fulfilled and they "all know Me, from the least to the greatest of them"???
You misunderstand the fulfilment of the prophecy -- not OC Israel but NC. Jews and Gentiles need to be converted. Only the elect (Jew or Gentile) brought to faith have been given the Spirit. See Hebrews 8:8-13.
@@davidhjgayministry Dear David, the prophesy is very clear. The new covenant is with the "house of Israel, and with the house of Judah" v31 and "they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them". So, for this prophesy to be fulfilled, all the house of Israel and the house of Judah have to be devoted to God. All of them. There's no need to teach anyone.
You say that Jews and Gentiles need to be converted. Then how can the prophesy be fulfilled, as we need to teach our neighbor?
Even inside the church there's a need for the gift of teacher.
Seems pretty simple but made complicated. There was an old covenant. The people "didn't remain faithful to my covenant," Hebrews 8:9. The fault with this first covenant was "with the people." Hebrews 8:8. God finds fault with the people not His perfect law. And that makes sense because then He tells us that He will write these same laws on our hearts and on our minds Hebrews 8:10. God gives us a new heart and the Holy Spirit so we keep His decrees and His commandments Ezekiel 11:19-20. Problem = peoples hearts, God's Solution = new heart Seems too simple.
a NEW covenant.
@@davidhjgayministry Amen! A brand new covenant. Praise God!
ISRAEL Y LA BIBLIA has made a comment but it does not show here. However, I note that you refer to 'the Hebrew Bible' -- we must let the whole Bible, especially the NT, be our interpreter by the Spirit. Hebrews 8 is explicit.
Jackson & Jeanne please have your conversation on your own youtube. I have given you enough space and you are cluttering up my work. You have your view and I have mine. You state yours on your space and I will state my view on mine and leave the public to decide. Thank you.
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I cannot see the comment here -- as far as I understand the comment, I have addressed it. I need more information about what is being asked or suggested.
@@davidhjgayministry Hello brother David. The reason you do not see my comment is I somehow managed with my super intelligence to erase it in a split second. It was rather long so I will have to write it again. It deals with Jeremiah. I absolutely love this book and chapter 31.
See you in a few.
Mark
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Hi there again,
I would like to have your opinion on my thoughts on the below Jeremiah scriptors and my comments.
I like the way you thoroughly explain your knowledge of scripture. You make sure all the details are attached. I thank God for your wisdom.
Before I start I have to say that I was saved 5 years ago and became a member of a church which baptised me. I left shortly after as they pressured me extremely. The church is called ICOC (international churches of christ).
I then 5 years later, now, went back. Now I found out that they are:
-Preterists
-Replacement Theoligist (church replaced israel)
-believe in works to keep Salvation
-believe we can lose salvation in many ways by not obeyilng jesus commands.
Ok so here we go….
Jer 31:33
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34
And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Point 1.
God made the new covenant with the nation of israel as they broke the old covenant (mosaic covenant, Law).
Israel is still under this covenant.
God will put his law into their inwards (instead of tablets) and in their hearts and they shall not have to teach each other of the Lord anymore. I think this is an Instant event which happens in a split second at the second coming of Jesus where God instantly gives the jewish remnant the knowledge of the Law and Messiah. This is the only way they would not have to teach each other about the Lord as they all at the same time recieve the word in their hearts and minds.
In the millenium the Jews will reign according to the law spreading and teaching to the surviving nations and people on earth.
Point 2
I Dont think this is ever meant for the gentiles as we will be the bride of Christ and body of Christ to rule above those on earth. Above-- being at a higher authority. I Dont think the jewish remnant will receive glorified bodies as the church (body) will. The israeliter and remaining gentiles on earth will enjoy the blessings of Israel (abrahamic covenant) once they learn and obey Gods Laws. They will also live long and prosperous. Some even through the whole 1000 years. If one dies at 100 he will be thought to die as a Child.
Gentiles have their own salvific rules. We are saved at an Instant when we Believe having Faith in what Jesus did for us on the cross (death burial ressourrection). When we trust in Jesus we Receive the Holy Spirit. We walk completely in faith without any physical requirements or works....vs the jews requiring a sign and law.
There was a reason why Jesus told Paul (minister to the gentiles) not to baptise but to preach the gospel only.
1Co 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
I Believe we are saved by this gospel. (By the Grace of God through our Faith, not works)
1Co 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
1Co 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
1Co 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1Co 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Gentiles are saved as Cornelius and the roman Jailer. There will be a small amount of jewish individuals to be saved as the gentiles. But only a very few. The rest of the Jews and israel will be dealt with in the 7 year tribulation. They betrayed God but through the new Covenant he will save them in the end at Jesus coming.
Point 3
Acts 2 pentacost (repent and be baptised etc.) I see to be under this new covenant as Peter addresses Isreal as a people and Nation. The repent and be baptised for the revision of sins does not meant that they are saved at that Instant during pentacost. I think they must do this to qualify and LATER be saved at Jesus coming..
Here my rensoning…….Acts 3:19 and 20
Acts 3.19
Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
Act 3:20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
Peter addresses again the Nation of israel and here he says that their sins will be blotted out at the times of refreshig when Jesus comes (second coming). So the jews according to the new covenant will be saved at the second coming but only those who will repent and be baptised for the remission of sins. Remission of sins being a preparation vs Instant salvation. Salvation happens to jews when jesus comes and he puts his law into their hearts and inwards. Instantly.
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I thank you for reading my comments as this is my current belief. Unfortunately I cannot convince my church members of this as they are as mentioned above Replacement therists etc.........I feel I cannot learn from them but they may profit from my beliefs. It is very frustrating as they seem to be blinded. I fear that replacement-theory may be a curse on israel and abraham. If one replaces israel with the church then he is denying the importance of Israel which God declared holy and even described israel as his first born.
He who curses israel shall be cursed himself. I am afraid to be a part of such a church as I do not want to be cursed with them.
These are just my thoughts. If you feel the desire to comment then I would appreciate your view.
God bless you and your loved ones
All Glory to God.
@@crossing3790 It is easier on email. I have saved your comment so if you write to me davidhjgay@googlemail.com, I can reply more easily. Thank you.
Jeremiah 31 35Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
36If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
Romans
11
1I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
3Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
8(According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
9And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:
10Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
11I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
12Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
13For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
14If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
15For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
16For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
17And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
18Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
20Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again
If you write to me at davidhjgay@googlemail.com I will address the point I think you are trying to make.
The very first word spoken by God in the Torah (Bible)....in Hebrew- "Bear-a-sheet";....the Hebrew letters..beit, resh, aleph, shin, yod, Tav...as anyone knows that every Hebrew letter has a word picture like pictograph associated with each letter.. if you study the word pictures the word tells a story and the story is this...."the Son is mightily destroyed by his own doing on the cross"...Tav means cross or covenant...so the very first words spoken by God tells of the New Covenant Messiah Jesus offering his body on a cross.. amazing you should go study that there's lots of videos on it.
I am afraid I don't follow what you are saying.
@@davidhjgayministry David what I'm saying is the very first word spoken by God contains the gospel.. think about that
@@johnbear6145 Thank you. Sorry to appear dumb, but could you make your specific point clearer for me?
@@davidhjgayministry I learned this from this brother...th-cam.com/video/RmnUkNT55gU/w-d-xo.html
Check it out it's amazing the Hebrew language is amazing it's an ancient language... And God's word is perfect..
Revelations 22 10And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.
11He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
12And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
13I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
14Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
16I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
If you write to me at davidhjgay@googlemail.com I will address the point I think you are trying to make.
Oh brother. Think Think Think. There are so many problems with everything you say, it's incredible. Let's just deal with Jeremiah for now. It says nowhere that God has done away with the old testament. I'm sure you are aware but in case you aren't, Hebrews changed, that's right changed the word of God and translated the word wrong. It's husband, not rejected. "Husband" is saying just the opposite. That God is still there and will not leave us although we have sinned. That alone should make every christian say how can I trust the "new testament". As far as this new covenant, there is no question at all that it hasn't happened yet. It says very clear that there will be universal knowledge of God when this new covenant happens. If that were the case today, why would you need missionaries? Ever hear of atheists??? DUH. It also says that it will be with Israel and the house of Judah. That means the 12 tribes will be together. We still don't know who the 10 tribes are. All people have to do is think.
I do not accept that 'Hebrews chamged'. I stand by Hebrews 7, 8 and 10. You are not quarrelling with me but with the writer of Hebrews. Then read Romans 6, 7 and 8, Galatians, Ephesians 2, Philippians 3 etc. You are quarrelling with Paul.
@@davidhjgayministry You don't accept that?? There is nothing to accept. It is undisputed fact. The problem is you and probably 99.9% of christians don't know hebrew so you believe whatever you are told. Paul was a jew and he knew hebrew which is why he gave up trying to convert jews and focused on non-jews. He knew they could not refute whatever he said. Ever wonder why the church has always taught Greek and Latin? Why not learn the original language, hebrew. It's very obvious it was done so people would not know the lies. If you only knew how many mistranslations and fabrications your religion is based on, you would run from every church you see.
@@nothingbutthetruth613 I do not accept your premise, and I see no hope of each of us changing the view of the other. I suggest we leave our conversation there. Christ will give his ruling on the final day.
@@davidhjgayministry I'll have to agree with you that your mind won't be changed but if you have no answer, and I know you won't ask anyone else but nobody will have an answer, there is no reason for you to believe it. I'll just give you one more example and I promise there are hundreds. Isaiah 53 which is relied on to be the smoking gun. The passage that every missionary refers to with confidence that this will convince anyone about the authority of jesus in the old testament. If it was translated correctly no thinking person would EVER believe that this is referring to him. There are many problems but my favorite is 53:8 where it actually says "THEY suffered FROM our sins". Not "He suffered for our sins". How can "they" mean jesus and what would "from" our sins mean. Of course the church had to change the words to conform to their belief but it is another lie. I challenge you or anyone else to look this up. Bless you and good luck to you.
@@nothingbutthetruth613 Jesus did not die to redeem his people? What, then, do 2 Cor. 5:21; 1 Pet. 1:18-21; 1 John 1:7 -- 2:2 mean? And that's the merest sample of such statements throughout the NT -- all forshadowed in the old covenant -- in the law and the prophets. Christ made this as clear as day -- Luke 24:25-27.
Jesus did not fulfill this prophecy, read what verse 34 says, what God says in verse 34 has not happened. Also read Isaiah 2:2-5, Isaiah 11:1-10, Jeremiah 31:31-34, Jeremiah 33:14-18 ,Ezekiel 37:24-28 . Nothing that was spoken has been accomplised by the messiah in the messianic age. Infact Jesus did not fulfill any prophesies. To mention few read all the prophecies in Mathew, all are out of context. The fetal flaw here is that the so called messianic prophetic portrait is largely a Christian fiction that among other things regularly relies on fabrication of prophesies as well as tendentious misquotations and misapplications of the passages in Hebrew scriptures. .This person has not read the bible nor understood the prophecies. Infact the Romans made a mess of scriptures, inventing, Jesus god, Trinity, sunday worship instead sabbath Saturday, Christmas, easter, these are festivals of God, but pagan, in the same way, baptism instead of circumcision. This man is trying to defend the lies which is the New Testament . We have been believing the lies since 2000 yrs. Jesus said I am coming quickly, what does quickly mean, does it mean 2000 yrs. 2000 yrs have passed, still people think he is coming quickly, does it make sense. Remember Jesus never existed. Do the research. Seek the truth, seeking truth is not a sin.
With respect, this is nonsense. Read the letter to the Hebrews. Try Heb.8 for a start. I leave your comment to show others how people can force preconceptions on the plain statements of Scripture. 'The fatal flaw' in your argument is that the NT is against you.