Head VS Heart - Would You Buy A 981 Porsche Boxster Spyder over a Ferrari 360?
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- In today's video, I drive the 981 Spyder for the first time, see if it matches up to the greatness of its sibling the Cayman GT4 and I ask if you'd really buy one over a "true" supercar - the Ferrari 360, which can be had for the same money.
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I was in the exact same situation but it was a Corsa and Fiesta,both 1 litre engines, naturally aspirated. After many months deliberating and a lot of time juggling finances I ended up with a 93 Polo. £750 lighter but the memories were worth it.
This is the consumer advice we truly need.
Did you go for the ceramic brakes?
the head won then,, you wouldn't want to put up with one of those highly strung corsas, and don't get me started on the cost of servicing, phew!
Hope you got a full tank included in the deal.🤙😀
@@MrSplcrazy Not sure it actually had brakes or hit speeds high enough to need them.
I own a 981 Spyder in Guardians red as well and love it. This year I had the 718 GTS 4.0 for a test drive as my dealer wanted me to change to the 718. The steering is definitely a step forward, better feedback and better feeling than in my Spyder. I found the suspension performance wise similar, the 4.0 revs better in high end, the 3.8 has more torque on low end and feels more powerful until mid rpm, after that the 4.0 pulls slightly better. Besides that the fuel consumption is better compared to the 3.8. The clutch in the 718 feels a lot softer. Overall the 718 certainly is the more perfect car but the 981 Spyder has so much more emotions and character, especially considering its unique exhaust sounds which cheers me up so often, whereas the 718 4.0 sounds nice as long as you are not used to the 981 sound. To me the 981 Spyder is a perfect sweet spot between performance of a modern car and emotions of the good times where the European Government did not yet start to put regulations like crazy.
I would pick the Porsche both with my heart and head.
I was in the same dilemma many years ago. I chose the old Ferrari which at the time was a £75,000 360 CS or a newer Porsche 911 or the equivalent of. 15 years later the Porsche is worth less and the Ferrari has not only screamed up in price but has given me so many enjoyable miles and experiences. Go with whatever floats your boat at the time not what you think will go up in price. Money can’t give you the memories and experiences. Keep up the good and these great informative videos. 👍
Has the Ferrari ever refused to start ?Any european road trips in it ? Has it left you stranded?
@@OldSkoolUncleChris no it’s been great, I have a 360 spider too and they have both been spot on apart from the f1 hydraulic block cracking on the spider 40 miles from home, however it got me home by holding the paddle in to stop it shifting out of gear! Plus I could only get 3 gears but besides that they have been amazing. I would say a total of 60k miles on both cars, going to Scotland, Le Mans and Switzerland and a couple of track days in the Stradale. 👍
@@frenchbred2081 great posts. Same with my F355, in the three years I’ve owned mine it’s run like a Swiss watch.
As you say go with whatever floats your boat, both Porsche and Ferrari make great cars. I think it’s a myth about Ferrari vs. Porsche reliability. If both are maintained/serviced by a specialist and importantly driven regularly then neither should be unreliable.
I love the comments on this channel from supercar owners. You both own amazing cars and have no fears of driving them, mega respect to you both!
@@frenchbred2081 I guy not far from me got a spyder in red nothing stands out spec wise hes had it for a long time
When its out in the summer roof down I know he's glad he didn't sell it when everything was cheap 360s are on the up and so they should.
I think the 981 Spyder is a future classic, more so than the 718 version
The 718 Spyder will probably be a future classic too owing to its full-on GT4 suspension and powertrain (as well as being one of the last ICE-powered Boxster alongside the upcoming 718 RS Spyder). Also, noise issue (ones caused by the lack of one) can be rectified by Cargraphic or JCR Exhaust. My acquaintance has a Crayon 718 Spyder with Cargraphic backbox (not the full system). Sounds as good as the 981 Boxster Spyder, to be honest.
I have a 981 Spyder and I think all Spyders are future collectibles due to their limited production of 2500 vehicles.
I have owned a 360 manual Spider and now a 718 manual Spyder. If you like attention- the 360 garners more. I find them both very beautiful cars. The glass cover of the beautiful Ferrari engine is hard to beat. The racing humps on Porsche add beautiful lines to car. In today’s market of sports cars, the 718 Spyder offers me everything I could want in a new car in terms of being analog- no one else makes a manual mid engine NASP drop top. And what it offers, and it’s crazy to say about a 6 figure car, but it is under priced. The Porsche Spyder manual ME NASP convertible is in a category of one in today’s new car market. Whether it’s a Spyder or Spider - it’s to close to call,- some days I think Ferrari - other Porsche. It’s a pick em. I think that says a lot about both cars. The Ferrari sound just can’t be replicated. Red line in both cars add to experience. The upgraded exhaust on Porsche makes a significant difference to the car. Both feel like you are driving a go cart. Metal shifter in Ferrari rare. If you can afford the Ferrari but not the maintenance, and like to take road trips in your car, get the Porsche. But just my opinion having had both. Drive ‘‘em both. Either way you won’t be disappointed.
Only 70,000 pounds for 981 Spyder in the UK?? Here in the states an INEXPENSIVE one with higher miles is $95,000. Incredible!! Also, it’s one of the VERY BEST Porsches of ANY generation. I’ve never driven the 360 but my Sapphire Blue Metallic Spyder with LWBs and PCCBs is PHENOMENAL-and dead solid reliable. I plan to never part with it.
70000 pounds are 112430 dollars today 23 of november 2022...
Not sure where you are getting that figure from. As of today, 70,000 pounds is about $84,000. Still much less expensive than the same car in the US.
Mine is GT Silver over Garnet Red, PCCB and 18 way seats. I will never part with it either ❤
Here in Germany the 981 Spyder starts at roughly 100.000€, prices are getting closer to the 718 Spyder prices. Currently there are only 8 for sale, they are fairly rare.
@@thedudeabides1443 $ 90 K
Hey James, thanks for the shout out, very kind very appreciated- excellent video 👍🏼👍🏼
Love the looks of the spider. Rare sight when you see one but when I do the heart goes all fluttery
I have driven both and a Ferrari F430, The 981 Spyder is closer to the F430, the 360 doesnt get any close to the 981 spyder. Besides the 981 spyder were only made 2400, which makes it a collectable, the 360 and 430.... much more than that. 981 spyder is a very special car... cant say the same for the 360.
there were made 8800 modenas and 7565 spiders worldwide......big difference compared to the 2400 units of the 981 spider.
Love the crackle on that exhaust….SOLD!!! 😂
Love those. I have owned many sub £15k cars. I have come back to a Boxster. Mine is 26 years old and always makes me smile. Long gears and all!
The 987s/981s are incredible , practical, reliable, beautiful, everyday, understated.. The Ferrari is for a different persons ,
I get a hard-on for V8s, but Porsche's boxer-6s sound like symphony.
Seeing this style of video again is a bit of a treat Jay. Thank you as always 👋
I absolutely love the sound, especially the pops and crackers.
The steering feel on the Spyder is easily correctable with a software change to 911GT3 specs and improves it significantly. These are holding steady on price in the States one year later in the 82,000 to$105,000 range depending on mileage of course. There’s usually a half dozen or so nationwide on the market. This is a lesser known car here and out of reach for many, and all the attention seems to be on collecting 911’s, thankfully as this is my next car.
I don't mind the pops and bangs at all, if you've got one of these then you bought it to hoon around. Anyone who wanted to daily it would buy a GTS or S...like I did, in Cayman form. If I had all the cash, I may well have picked a GTS over a GT4 for the usability, since it's my only car and even the S has tiring road noise. Couldn't afford more than an S though, so it was an easy choice!
Porsche reliability is...yeah, mine has cost me more than my entire car history combined, although honestly that's still only £2.5k in 2 years. Considering it cost the same as a new diesel Golf and depreciation on that would have cost more than everything combined on the Porsche, it's not bad.
I totally agree with the conclusion though, the Ferrari is great for occasional use but for anything more, the 981 is hard to beat in any form, especially considering how sexy the Spyder is.
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As always a great video and review. Thanks Jay.
Well done and well said, Jay.
A lot of head nodding as I watched. Agreed about 981 Spyder > 982 Spyder and the overdone pops and crackles. All else said aligns with my thoughts and experiences with Porsche and Ferrari, although the latter has never found a place in my stable.
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I have a 981 Boxster equipped with X73, PTV, Sport Plus (manual) buckets, sports shifter, and a proper CarGraphic exhaust. Oh and it tips the scales at 2960 lbs. with a 1/2 tank of fuel. After more than 30 cars owned to date and countless others driven, this is the best car I’ve decided to buy and own, period. Most cars are 1-3 year affairs, while this one has been in my garage more than 8.5 years. Thanks for having a place to share the knowledge and passion for the hobby.
I bought a 718 Boxster GTS 4.0 liter over a Ferrari 360. I figured I can daily drive the Porsche without too much worry. I didn't feel like I could drive the 60 to Home Depot and load up with 40 lb. bags of stuff, like I have been doing with the last two Boxsters. But the 360 sure does look pretty....
Great review! For the 981 generation, the GT4 was the track model and the Spyder was the lightweight model. X73 is lighter than the GT parts, which is the correct choice when low weight is the priority. I agree that for track use the GT parts are a better choice but the X73 is more playful with excellent chassis balance that’s better suited for a street car. There are no bad handling Boxsters or Caymans of any generation and the Spyder is near the top.
With the 718 Spyder gaining 90kg/200lbs over the 981, the 981 Spyder is Porsche’s last lightweight model with nothing lighter made since. The current 718s are good but I am disappointed with the weight gain and I hope that Porsche releases a lightweight purist model again in the future.
I would take a Spyder every single time
Oh yes..
I would be so lucky to have a choice of either. However, that boxster looks beautiful.
Great content! Would love to see you review a 987 Spyder as those seem to have quite the cult following.
X73 is not the ‘sports suspension’ off the GTS… it was an option that you could get on the S and GTS versions of the Cayman or Boxster. I have it on my 981 Cayman S. Very few cars have it since most people thought that PASM or even sport PASM was ‘better’. The fact is that in my humble opinion X73 is a magical suspension setup.
X73 is good if you live in countries where the roads are good, if not it is a nightmare
Actually, you could get X73 on any non-GT4 981, including the base 2.7.
I keep thinking that the Cayman GTS 4.0 is the best sports car available for sale today. When I say "available", I mean exactly that. You can walk into a dealer and buy one, not like a GT3 which doesn't actually exist for sale.
God I wish they'd put that 4.0 in a 911
LOL yes you can walk in there and get robbed for an extra 40k in the process.
@@nutsackmania and the rest
@@nutsackmania That makes no sense. Cayman or Boxster GTS with 10k worth of options, and thats really all you need.
@@ianc8999 markup idiot
@@nutsackmania we dont have that ADM rubbish here, cretin
Excellent, really thoughtful review
Thanks for the video and stay safe ✌️
I have a 718 Spyder but the 981 Spyder has it licked in terms of sound. Mine is a PDK though, which I prefer because of the gearing in the manual. Wish I could have that sound though.
Excellent comparison! Please do more of these types of comparisons, this is exactly what we enthusiast are having sleepless nights over.
Awesome video James, one of my favourite cars of all time at this price point. At £45K though the 987 spyder is hard to challenge, especially if you have a garage. Thanks for making the video really enjoyed it.
Thanks for watching!
360 every time. Thanks for comparison J!🙏🙏
Excellent commentary by Jay.. but that's to be expected.
Ferrari 360 👍 call me mad but it really brings out the petrol head in me, the noise and looks stir up a heap of nostalgia, from (in my opinion) the greatest period of motoring.
I'm a huge porsche fan too.
Absolutely
What about the maintenance?
That's the thing, if your heart says you have to have the Ferrari, then you'll always slightly resent buying the Porsche... If the relationship with the Fezza doesn't work out, you can always move on to the Porsche without losing too much.
@@ebrostar that's why I said 'call me mad' lol! end of the day if I'm after something to excite me on the weekends before i even drive it the ferrari wins everytime. maintenance is just something you'd have to grit your teeth with and look at it as an appreciating asset to ease your worries. However if you have the money for one I'm sure you'll have the money to maintain it.
@@freshjive818 Ahahaha, fair enough. The part about it being an appreciating asset is definitely a motivator though, add that with the 2030 ban on sale of all new ICE cars, then you have yourself an extremely valuable and sought after vehicle.
I just can't imagine having to try and consider it as an option 🤣 I think it's the difference of a car enthusiast/petrol head and someone who wants a good car.
Love the 360 and can't wait to see more 550 videos!
That is my exact car James, with the exception that mine has the leather wheel and the red trim instead of the caron fiber. Wonderful car. Living in California, I never have to put the roof up
James, that was a good one! Cheers.
What a great video; hope to have to make this choice one day 😀
Pops and bangs from the exhaust are nice if they're natural. If you've got a big V8 or something that's slurping down so much fuel on full song that it can't help but send some through the exhaust when you close the intakes then that's ok, that's character. If however it does it every single time you lift because it is programmed to then that is far less pleasing, that's just trying too hard. It's the audio equivalent of a big wing and wide bodykit, yes we get it, you're a race car.
Great video. The steering feel in the Spyder/Cayman is not as good as the 992 911? Is that due to the EPS and can be updated?
I had the same decision to make 2.5 years ago and went with the 360. No regrets but it all depends on usage. It would be miserable (and a waste) to use the 360 every day in traffic.
Totally agree, daily has to be the Porsche, no brainer, weekend feel good blast special occasion car, has to be the Fezza.
Where was this video 2 weeks ago Jay :). I just went through this, ended up getting a manual 997.2 C2S instead of a 360 or New Boxster. Ultimately the 911 back seats were my tipping point. I have 2 kids and it's a huge advantage to be able to squeeze them back there.
Finally, I have been eagerly awaiting James' review of the 981 Boxster Spyder for years - especially as it has occasionally been mentioned or even appeared (on track with the GT3) in other reviews. I really enjoyed listening to every single word and couldn’t agree more about the 981 Boxster Spyder. Thank you very much James for making this video!
I love these, the one thing that puts me off is the soft top, not because it’s manual,
Having owned a rag top z4 in the past, care of the hood is a lot of extra work.
Bird craps on the car while you are out - you can’t quickly wash it off when home and clean it properly at the weekend.
You are getting out the soft top cleaner and giving it a real scrub
And that yellow pollen stuff you get in summer sticks into the soft top like shit to a blanket 🤣
I wanted a 981 Spyder after the M2 but they stayed too expensive and I ended up in a 14 Vantage Roadster for considerably less. Although has probably needed more maintenance haha. The only cars that would tempt me out of the AM now (if the maths worked out of course) would be the 981 or 718 Spyder, a V12 AM of some sort or a manual Ferrari - the manual 430 being a dream. In fact the dream would be being able to keep them all haha!
If I had to choose a car to drive for a day, I’d take the 360. The Spyder is fantastic car to drive but a V8 manual Ferrari is at the peak of driving nirvana.
But if I had to choose a car to own it would be the Spyder, no question about it. As good as the Ferrari is, I have zero interest in dealing with the running costs of any Ferrari, let alone a 20+ year old model. The Spyder punches well above its weight in the fun department and won’t cost an arm and leg to maintain it.
That burble on the lift.... hot damn, goosebumps.
I'd go with the Porsche personally. More characterful car, and I Adore the shape of it.
Jay did you get a new camera or is it that the sun has just come out? 😅 The video quality is great!
Yes I would and in fact I did. Exhaust got on my nerves in the end plus the tall gearing. Would have a 982 GTS instead now
If the pops and bangs from the exhaust are a little too much, you press the sports exhaust button which all the Spyders have and it is a much more civilized experienced. Sport plus and exhaust noise are 2 separate buttons.
logically 981 is a better car on paper, but at any time day weather season situation moment, I'd take the 360 every single time.
I went with the less commonly discussed option, a 981 Cayman S PDK.
At any reasonable roadgoing speed the combination of the short 7-speed gearing and the 3.4 are perfect for the car.
The stock steering wheel on the 981 is atrocious so one option I would make sure to find or retrofit is the “sport design steering wheel” with the real shift paddles.
Jay, could you do something more about your 968? Maybe go autocrossing with it or sth?
Part of the appeal for driving porsche is the practicality, as I really value warranty and always having a new car
Just FYI: The pops and crackles are features of the sport exhaust, which can be turned off at any time. With sports exhaust deactivated, the exhaust valves still open when accelerating past 4000 RPM, so it’s a great setting for anyone bothered by the extra noise.
The pops and crackles sounds very fake to me!
Phew, that is a relief. Way over the top, would drive me nuts.
Yes, they detracted from an otherwise lovely drive. It sounded a bit too much like an M135i on lift off
I think they sound great and give the car drama and theater missing from other sports cars. Cars are too quiet or use fake noises from speakers. I’d take the pops and crackles!
@@ActaeonLF The pops and crackles ARE ALSO *FAKE*. That's why you can turn them on and off. It's annoying and ridiculous.
great video, i think we need more of these
No one says it better. As if thought out over weeks leading up to shooting a video, yet the words and exacting critique simple tumble from his lips. Great review and comparison Jay!
I am often amazed at James' ability to organize thoughts seemingly on the fly and talk for minutes on end with wonderful articulation and erudition and making sure every point and counterpoint is accounted for.
Aww thanks you two
One of the very few cars I would have specced in white. Really suits its concept car made real vibe.
For GBP70k, I'd be looking at an R8 V10 Spyder manual, 991.1 C4S Cab, 991.2 C2 Cab, or a Ferrari California.
A decent 360 Modena manual is certainly doable, especially if you'll consider a car with higher than average miles, but I'd be more concerned about the much greater possibility of significant unexpected bills early on. Buy one with significantly more miles than average, however, and you may get 15-20k left over to cover any such bills.
Depends on your usage. The cars you list are not really on the same level as the Spyder or 360 in terms of being a driver's car. California especially.
@@feelsgoodman245 Maybe you had track days in mind, while I didn't, but then surely you wouldn't buy a 981 Spyder or any 360 if indeed you have regular track days in mind. Actually, they are not directly comparable. The 981 is obviously much more modern, while the 360 requires more skills to drive hard. Anyway, the question was broadly stated. I listed some drop-top alternatives for the 70k budget, plus the 360 Modena manual, because Jay seemed to think you could only get a Spider F1. In my mind, what I listed are all in a different league. You can also get a McLaren 12C in budget, which is surely a driver's car by anyone's definition. Maybe the 360 and the Spyder will prove better financial propositions, but R8 values have risen slightly, and California values have seemingly stabilized. The 911s are a different story, but I think their values will drop relatively slowly. Anyway, any 911 is a go to car for any keen driver. Just ask the likes of Tiff Needell. ;) Of course, you don't need to spend anywhere near 70k to get a special car, let alone a driver's car. Get whatever is good for you!
Great review Jay!!
If I had the money to buy the Ferrari, Porsche or Lotus I'd just buy the Ferrari enjoy sell initially a couple of years and then buy a Lotus enjoy for a couple of years and repeat with the Porsche as I'm sure the values probably not change much!!
The Porsche really needs a closer ratios and maybe a remap to get rid of the pops and bangs and a bit more powers lost from the Cayman!! Also the Wheels painted in Anthracite as you can't see them!
Anyway the Dream!
The pops and bangs are only in the sport setting. Easily eliminated but then so is the rev match.
The boxster sounds amazing !
It would be the Porsche for me 👍🏻
It felt like there were more numbers than words in this video 🙂
Emira. Porsches are a dime a dozen, particularly here in America. Mind you that is if you want a GT as opposed to a Sports car such as my Elise. Ferraris are for a different type of clientele.
Amazing review, thank you! The 981 Spyder is IMHO the most fun modern Porsche. 3 things to make it a forever car:
1. Shorter gearing. Can buy shorter gears 2-5, brings the whole car to life. I have them, better gearing than a GT3 short of a 997 cup car.
2. Intake. Change out the intake for a 718 Clubsport intake, gain hp and screaming top end. Baby speedster.
3. GT3 cup car spherical control arm bushings. Get the steering feel back.
what do you mean with: "better gearing than a GT3 short of a 997 cup car"? thanks
@@laetussanta Stock 997 991.2 and 992 GT3 manual gearing is long too (speed in gear). This so shorter than all of those unless you go pdk or in the 997 gen many ratios are available cause race car.
@@ajw45 thank you, I alwasys tought that the problem about the long gears was only in the new cars (like Gt4, Spyder, GT4RS and so on..), and not also on the oldest 997 and 997S, or on the 981 and 981S
@@laetussanta I think people are just more likely to forgive the gearing since the GT3 usually has much more power and more rpms. Just compare manual vs pdk gearing and you'll see the difference. I wish the manual had pdk gear ratios for 1-4....
Idk but I always found the 987 Spyder to be absolute perfection.
987.2 spyder is a dream to look out. Still my favorite boxster even when compared to the 718 line.
Oh this is such a hard decision for me. The Porsche is a fantastic machine and so is the 360. I prefer older cars however never been a massive fan of the looks of the 360 I much preferred it’s predecessor the 355. And for this reason it would make my decision difficult 😂
Just for the sound it makes👌
Miss mine every day, sold in 2020 and my biggest regret.
Im in for a boxter, but don’t really have a crush on the Maintenance from former owners!
This debate is all about type of intended usage. You simply cannot (and seriously do not want to) drive a 360 with any type of regularity. There are too many reasons to list, but own one for a month and you'll work them all out.
The Ferrari is considerably more thrilling than a Porsche - probably any Porsche short of a GT3. Even then it's a debate.
But as a current Ferrari owner, sometimes I do cry out for a car I can just "use." That may sound bizarre but that's the truth. Ferraris (of this era anyway) simply are not get in and drive cars. Every Porsche is.
It's a case of weighing up what you want. I am quite sure many 360 owners have another sports car - likely a Porsche. You'll definitely need a second something, that's for damn sure. 👍
981 any day
Fortunate to have the 981 Spyder in white and your views are pretty much spot on. The ‘hooligan’ mode on exhaust can easily be switched off to cancel the pops and bangs. Stunning looks and a joy on any B road. For the money very difficult to beat and having driven the 718 variant I would say the 981 is the high water mark for pure theatre which is what the Spyder is all about.
Agreed! The 981 sounds so much better and feels more nimble than the heavier 718.
Agreed. The 981 is the superior product of the two.
The 981 generation seems like a refined luxury car but with a great sporty sound and not a lot of feel and excitement unless revving it hard. From how you describe the Spyder it seems like it's largely the same. Which 911 fixed the steering? I've never heard of 981 gearbox issues - does that apply to the S too?
There's no denying the dynamics of the Spyder, but I find the looks to be challenging - at best - as opposed to the standard Boxster. The roof looks, and is, simply daft.
Seen Through Arse and his bloody 360 😂
Love that porsche so much
This with a deman motorsport gear ratio set would be perfect
This question is not easy to answer - for me, (20 years Porsche driving and 12 years Ferrari F355), the Ferrari allways is the crown. But, F-cars are very sensitive....
Did you feel the steering feedback improved on the 718 spyder? In that review, you praised the steering feel as being almost as good as hydro. And yeah, that 981 is crazy “poppy”, exhaust wise. Too much so. Stock exhaust?
Lastly, I’ve not driven both, but some that have claim the 3.8 runs out of breath at high rpm’s, whereas the 4L pulls hard to redline. I can definitely verify the latter observation.
Yep, 718 steering feel is a significant step on (whether in the Spyder or GTS).
The 718 engine has far more GT department-esque characteristics even if it's just a bored out 992 engine, whereas the 981 engine was notorious for dead spots in the torque curve and tail off at the top of the range.
That said, I think the 981 will better stand the test of time as the original and with a shoutier exhaust note vs the muted 718s.
The 981 Spyder uses the same updated steering rack as 991.2 Turbo S and newer generation 718. A big improvement over the electric steering racks used on earlier 991s and 981s. The Spyder was the only 981 generation model equipped with it.
I’ve owned both 718 and 981 Spyders and the steering/suspension is the standout of the 718 version. Steering feel is far better, and handling is far superior. Also, I disagree with most people on the ride quality difference as I think the 718’s ride quality is super liveable and not much less comfortable than the 981 cars
The 360 will go up in value. The Boxster is a daily driver.
This Porsche Boxster Spyder is one of the best cars you have ever had on channel.
I would not be in favor of the Ferrari option as the running costs are very high.
I think I would actually, heart has cost me so much bloody money over the last 15 years that it would be a pretty clear choice, much as I love the 360.
Those exhaust pops on the Porsche sounds like the last few drops of drink being sucked through a straw. Makes me feel a tad ill tbh
Would deffo have to get the rattle or whatever that is on over run mapped out.
After watching this I’d go with neither my head or heart and take the 360 and drive it a little less purely for the fact to keep it feeling special everytime I turn that key
The gearbox failures are known but did not affect all (early cars were fine) and were rectified, the manufacturer of the boxes hadn't welded the 3rd gear properly. There was a recall and new/refurbed boxes that were fitted have been faultless so it's no longer an ongoing issue. The ones that were going to break broke or were replaced preventively.
The ferrari 360 in manual is one of the most exciting cars ever made.There is one porsche that is just as exciting if not more thats the carrera gt thats about it apart from a singer modified one.
Interesting that you think the 981 has a more comfortable suspension than the 718 Spyder. I had a 981 Cayman S with the
x73 suspension for 5 years before purchasing a 718 GT4. The 981 had 19 inch wheels with Pirelli P zeros and subsequently
Michelin PS4s. The GT4 has cup 2s on 20 inch rims, yet I find the GT4 has a more forgiving, comfortable ride than the x73 option on the Cayman which I often regretted ordering when I wasn't flogging the car. After 2 years of ownership I am still
surprised at how supple the GT4 is in comparison.
Other than that, I very much enjoyed the video and please keep them coming.
My 981 Spyder came with 20” wheels and Pirelli P Zeros. The X73 is very comfortable with the 18 way seats 💺
@@clu4u Since my last post I've learned the X73 used on the Spyder is tuned differently.
Ferrari: The heart
Porsche: The head
I'd buy the Porsche with both head and heart. ❤
I got to drive a gt4 and nothing I've ever driven can stop like it the carbon brakes make your lips float in front of you the manual gear change suck it's self into the next cog up and down.
Lot of people say they are to hard for uk roads but I felt that it was way more compliant than I expected.
But yeah you don't get out of 2nd much.
But I would like just a basic, dont matter the spec early boxter s with a nice pipe on it.
I remember when my bother sold his gt4 and we could here for about 5 minutes as its faded into the distance.
He looked a bit gutted because it was the only time he heard it from a distance.
The 360 is maturing well and all car guys will want to tick the porsche box then the ferrari box its a stepping stone of car life thing.
I think I'd have to go porsche. Just for the reason I don't have the time to coddle an old ferrari and want it ready whenever. Orrrr. Maybe at that price a California?
The 981 sounds so much better than the 718! In the age of quiet exhausts and fake engine speaker noise, I’ll take this 981 with a real exhaust sound 100% of the time. The pops and crackles sound great and give it some real theater.
If it’s too loud for you, turn off the sports exhaust mode. It can even be disabled in Sport and Sport Plus driving modes. It’ll stay quiet at lower RPMs if you want a more relaxing trip.
Then when it’s time to play, enable the sports exhaust and listen to the car sing!
A friend almost bought an old Ferrari but sanity prevailed and he bought a used 718 Boxster S and a used Macan 😄
If you're buying purely with your head, you'd choose the Porsche... But if you're buying with your heart and your heart says you have to have the Ferrari. Well, you've gotta have the Ferrari.
you figured it out
Until you get you 3rd 4th 5th four figure repair bill😢
@@Manc-fh5we depreciation of the Porsche should help make the man maths work better though
Do like your videos but wish you’d leave the mic in the cabin to pickup the engine and exhaust noise. What you hear in your vids from the exhaust mic is not what you’d hear from the driving seat.
I did buy a 981, kept it for 10 months, then sold it for a quick profit for my forever car, my f-type svr. It took porsche to make me realise im a jag lad.