A New Dawn: Has The Maserati MC20 Really Got What It Takes to Fight Ferrari?
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This car is brilliant....and it looks like a supercar a grown man would buy....not coverd in wings scoops n fins.....it will still look classy in 10 years..
Agree it's a timeless and beautiful design - but that exhaust note, at least in the video, sounds absolutely flaccid - like a nasty wet fart. OK that is a little hyperbolic, the exhaust would be acceptable in a sports sedan - and maybe it sounds better in person - but for a supercar it's just not up to par. Then there is the suspension which is apparently tuned for a super smooth quarter mile track. Maybe they'll sort some of this stuff out in coming years and the car will become the beloved classic the design deserves.
WITH MASERATI'S TRACK RECORD THIS CAR WONT BE RUNNING IN 10 YEARS SADLY. I ALSO FOUND IT UNFORTUNATE THAT UNLIKE THE SIMILAR FERRARI WHO USED A 60DEGREE V6, MASERATI USED A BRUTISH 90 V6 FOR THIS. WAS REALLY WANTING SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE REFINED.
Wings, scoops and ducts IS what super car should look like. They are toys after all.
@@beaches2mountains230 calm the fck down
There’s a definite gap appearing in the market for classy sports/supercars for grownups.
I'm finding real value in this channel, totally honest opinions from an experienced tester who talks like he's talking to a friend, good stuff.
This is why I like your channel, your honesty is beyond any other road tester.
You give a truthful road test and don’t lie about the cars being good so you’ll get another car.
We bought a cupra Formentor after watching other channels and believed the hype. It ended up being the worst car we have ever bought.
What do you dislike about the Formentor?
Do please elaborate
What is wrong with the Cupra Formentor?
You should call your episode(s) "Time to find out". Because in a majority of your epidode in your introduction, you finish with a "Time to find out" #Timetofindout.
PS: love watching your content.
Not a bad idea that
Or maybe just put that on the coffee mugs.
@@JayEmmOnCarsIf you were more fit, it would drive better ‘
Wouldn’t say I’m a Maserati fan but these things look amazing, especially in the flesh. A real exotic looking machine. Love it.
I own one. Absolutely love it! Best car I have owned. Better than Ferraris I owned and 991.2 GT3. Love the accessibility and comfort, I would take this and drive straight to the south of France. The 8th gear is an overdrive. The GT mode in combo with the ‘soft suspension’ button gives a really soft comfortable ride. It breaths like a Lotus, and much softer than a 458 Italia of GT3. Then you can turn it to sport and it will bring the car to life. It’s so fast! This is a car I long to driving it! And best feature…the turbos that you hear when accelerating, absolutely great experience!
Correct. It’s very a very strange opinion on the suspension , since other reviews, including top gear, on B roads say that the car is very supple especially compared to other cars in its class. They just can’t lie all, it’s impossible, the US reviews also call it very comfortable. Maybe it’s just a case with this exact car, something is wrong here.
I wondered if there could be something wrong with the suspension on this example.
Because all of the magazines compliment the ride. Are they talking garbage? I'm not ruling that out, but it seems more than a little odd.
CAR: 'A supple ride'
Car and Driver: 'ride is reasonably compliant with the adaptive suspension in its most comfortable mode; it soaks up bumps well enough to consider driving it daily or taking it on a road trip'
Autoexpress: 'a ride quality that, in its softest of three settings, is really very forgiving. It allows the car to flow with the road, rather than hop from one crest to the next'
Top Gear: 'light on its feet, moves gracefully and easily over rough roads' and 'the ride is, well, wonderful'
EVO: 'The ride quality in the default ‘GT’ mode is very good at isolating the occupants from the worst of British roads'.
Tire pressure?🤔
Best looking supercar out there. Compared to a 911 Turbo S it's a bit behind in terms of usability though, they really should have done a bit better in terms of luggage space and fuel capacity.
I think you're right Eric, the tire pressure must be off, and in such a car even a pound can make a noticeable difference. It must be set exactly.@@erics418
I think they nailed the looks! To my eyes it has a silhouette reminiscent of a Noble M600. Beautiful!
This is a beautiful car from every angle unlike most other new hyper cars this car is stunning ❤
Gotta say, this guy might be in the top 3 of automotive journalists. He's not afraid to say his honest opinion.
Hopefully he doesn't lose his integrity, which has happened to many a reviewer in the past.
Drove the mc20 yesterday - after stepping out of my 24’ GT3 - and the mc20 was a much much quieter car inside. No tire noise at all and felt like a corvette on the most comfortable setting. And it was blazing fast!!! It was easy to close the doors -
A wild looking red and silver one drove by me today. They look fantastic up close.
Your observation on the ride quality (or lack of it) is the thing that strikes me most about this review. When Harry Metcalf tested the MC20 he said that in GT mode it rode beautifully and you can see this on his review as the camera remains stable throughout, even on his famous stretches of poor road. This leads me to suspect there must be something wrong with the specific car you tested as Harry makes no reference whatsoever to poor ride quality in any part of his review. Thoughts?
I would think Harry's opinion holds more weight than JayEmm's. I am in two minds about JayEmm sometimes.
Maybe it was something about this particular MC20. But, yeah, when literally every other reviewer mentions the MC20's class-leading comfort, it's hard to overlook this component of the review as simply being empirically and demonstrably wrong.
Maserati has a very bad reputation for reliability and overall build quality. But if on top of that they can't put their £250.000 supercar together right, straight out of the factory, that's another major concern. One more actual reason not to get this car.
Driver error i would say. Oh, and harry is half his weight! Lol
Great review and topped off with the correct use of the word ‘fewer’ - it all made me very happy. 😃
Excellent stuff
I was at a cars and coffee in Barrington Illinois last weekend and there was one of these there, in that blue launch color and it's a color you MUST see outside in the sun❗️
It was parked along side TWO Lamborghini Hurican STO's and I just kept coming back to the MC20👌
"A Triumph of the Trident", I see what you did there. From:A new trident owner. ❤️
Your reviews ARE the best on the net... brutally honest, not sucking up to manufacturers... what a refreshing change!!! Keep up the brilliant work buddy!!!
That's the plan!
@@JayEmmOnCarsbut it dosn't work j emm. You talk about being into bikes now. Just watched your test on the 296. You just don't understand. I have many cars you could never buy. 812. 911 turbo s. And an MC20 specced to silly money. Your not old enough to know about the kawasaki triples. I had 2 H1's and the last of the breed, an H2c in purple. What a bike. Scared the s**t out of you. Exactly what the MC20 does. I absolutly adore mine. Everyone to themselves mate.
And Evo car of the year!
If I were choosing between this, the McLaren Artura and the Ferrari 296... I'd pick the Maserati all day long. Even with the ride quality.
Sure it'll probably depreciate like a bookshelf falling down a staircase, but pull up alongside any Ferrari or McLaren driver in this and you know you're the coolest man on the street.
In black, especially from the rear, it looks as sinister as it does classically beautiful. Gorgeous.
If we’re talking turbo charged 6 cylinder, coupes that absolutely perform, I think all of the above mentioned cars are vying for second place compared to the 911 Turbo S. Sure, it’s not as sexy of a brand as the English and Italian variants, but I’m far more confident in the Porsche’s ability to spend more time on the road than in a service garage.
Pair MC20 with 7Design carbon fiber aero kit and exhaust and you have a very very special car.
@@brandonchism6960 let's just say everyone has different preferences
@@scuckplexity absolutely, couldn’t agree more in terms of preference. I even think the Ferrari is better looking when not endowed with the “lipstick” paint job. But of all the ones listed in this post, the Porsche has the strongest track record. It’s been around the longest, continuously destroys in performance tests, works as a GT car when not being utilized as a “do it all” performance metric, and comes in a cheaper price than everything else mentioned. It’s not the sexiest nor does it stir the same emotions as names like Aston Martin, Maserati, and Ferrari; but its abilities are undeniable.
Plurality of opinion! I love it. I also admire the MC20; quite why the boys at Evo never picked up on the jiggly ride however is a bit of a mystery. Conspiracy against Stuttgart?
Maybe after spending hours in GT4 RS the MC20 felt like a Maybach.
But James did spent hours in GT4 RS. The MC20 still looking very jittery.
Yeah the MC20 is at least as bad perhaps worse
Not sure what Evo was thinking. They got it quite wrong.
@@JohnFromAccounting I love the MC20 but I cannot take EVO seriously now. Not after their pathetic coverage of 2023 Nurburgring 24 Hours on their web.
You should never buy a Maserati because they're always fatally flawed.
With that suspension one wouldn’t want to take any of our more buxom friends out for a drive now, would we?
Not if we wanted them to like us after
unless you're doing an onlyfans video. 🤣🤣
@@TML34 😳😂😂👌🏽
Watch Riccardo take his wife round Jerez in a Civic Type R, if you haven't... are swinging around..... and she says Mamma Mia!!!! Batardo!!!! I will never f*** you again!!!!
I would categorically not have any fat women in my car, no.
I am (as a larger gentleman myself) loving the proprietary suspension test......the Moobs bounce!
🤣🤣🤣Your "McLaren still has me on their shoot to kill list" gave me a legit spit take. Well done. 👍
Great video! I am curious to see how these deprecate over the next few years
Love these! Having now seen the convertible MC20 Cielo, that would be my choice. And, I'm sure I'd enjoy the suspension... Since I am Mr. BecauseRacecar😂
2 yrs with a 1st gen 2009 Granturismo 4.7S and zero issues. I came to it from an E60 M5 so my running costs came down at the same time!
It sure is a good looking thing! Can’t help but think the tail lights look not dissimilar to those on my A110 - great review
I know this is about the MC20, but that Gran Turismo is the most beautiful new car or most beautiful car in general that I've seen in a long time. Holy crap that thing is gorgeous 🥴
Always a great review, thank you 👍🏁
All I can conclude is that it's a brilliant car for certain use. It needs smooth twisty roads for a few hours of automotive fun, like the south of France or Spain. I imagine that's where it would come alive and what it's built for. Given the poor state of many of its roads, British buyers would probably be enjoying the Granturismo more.
I really genuinely believe that your example might have some problem because the suspension of the MC20 is one of the most compliant I've known to the point that it sometimes doesn't match the engine and chassis. It's sometimes felt too soft (in the softest setting) that it cannot put the power down properly in sport mode
before i watch this have to say this is my absolute handsdown favourite modern motorcar. it is stunningly offthewall beautiful next time i have the mony im going straight to the maserati store and getting one--in black
The chest cover up at 20:20 got me 😂
Love the beginning of this exactly how we all feel about all the cars out there probably all ‘unavailable’ even if we won the lottery
An ancient / poorly maintained British B road + MC20 = An awful experience. A modern / well maintained Italian road + MC20 = a delight! Spot the variable …
Modern/well maintained + Italian road isn't a thing
Really enjoyed watching this ‘The Good, the Bad and the Ugly’ review. Not sure how you found your Quattroporte’s ride quality, but I found the 4200 Coupe bone shaking, and the Granturismo similarly incredibly firm before you even get to the Sport mode. Maybe this is Maserati DNA now? I still really hope this car succeeds though. Now I’m waiting for you to review all the versions of the new GranTurismo. Cheers 👍
The Quattroporte was pretty good considering it was the firmest of the range
Thank you again for sharing this... big fan of Maserati... would still like to have a go in one despite ride quality... think it looks lovely
Everyone likes different things and I respect that, however the time I have spent in an MC20 was mega and I loved it. In GT mode, for example, I found it compliant and easy, certainly not fidgety and difficult. The majority of road testers love it and they are a critical bunch usually. The one thing I did find difficuly to adjust to was the lack of engine breaking which is a trait of the v6 and meant it requires more braking than many other high end cars that I have driven. But I got used to it. I think these will setlle around the £135k mark and that will make them mega value. The options are silly expensive - but so are Ferrari and Lambo options - and so waiting for them to settle and picking one up with £50k of options means that someone else did you a favour.
I recommend that you learn how to use a comma properly and learn the difference between "braking" and "breaking". A lack of engine braking isn't a trait of V6 engines, F1 cars have V6 engines. Engine braking is more influenced by the compression ratio, the layout is not relevant. By all accounts the MC20 has fantastic braking overall with no critique of the engine braking by anyone who has actually driven the car.
@@Colby_0-3_IRL_and_title_fightsknob
Love your reviews. Thank you sir. I get my Notte (Una di 50) Saturday and now I'm a little nervous to drive it even once a month due to the lack of ride quality. Ugh!
Hi James, the Italian scales and your 8 stone 😂, its interesting that this car won Evo's super car segment. It's great to see Maserati back with something that looks good, but it just sounds muted and that options list, it would be like buying 2 cars after you ticked all the options you would probably want on a car like this. It's a shame about the ride quality which I don't remember evo complaining about but maybe they did and I just missed it. Anyway great looking car, should make a better noise.
Seen one of these in Stoke on Trent of all places , looked ever inch a super car maybe even hyper car , although the sound was somewhat subdued but i think thats a good thing from the owners and the public perspective a bit more sociable , still sounds nice .
Was it at high speed on the road out of Stoke?
"although the sound was somewhat subdued"
Welcome to our beautiful new world... 😑
@@staLkerhu Nothing wrong with a car having a subdued engine note , I mean noise pollution has clearly driven the majority of the population psychotic 😂
@@jamesrobert4106 pmsl surprisingly no 😂
it's a fabulous car. simple yet clean design + a super powerful v6. if you have money, why shouldn't you buy it. I think it will sell a lot.
I appreciated the Pink Floyd Pulse concert cover while swiping on the display :)
What I find most interesting about the Nettuno engine is that Maserati essentially dusted off the old 90 degree v6 design used in the Maserati Merak and kept an awful lot of the bottom end. The similarities are all there. Firing order, crank design, main bearing cradle etc
MEANWHILE FERRARI WENT WITH A ALL NEW 120 DEGREE V6 WITH ELECTRIC MOTORS AND 200HP MORE.
@@beaches2mountains230 INSIDE VOICE
Read Road and Track analysis of the engine. It shares many elements with the Alfa Romeo v6 quadrifoglio engine, which itself is derived from the Ferrari california t v8 engine. The MErak design was from a different era and not something that is likely at all to have been considered
@@beaches2mountains230 Ferrari aint gonna shag ya mate
It is essentially the same engine layout as the alfa v6, despite what maserati wants you to think
Pair MC20 with 7Design carbon fiber aero kit and exhaust and you have a very very special car.
The Tremic DC is also available as a transmission (vs transaxle); a 7sp in the 2020-22 Shelby GT500. A good box. The 90degree V6 in the MC20 sounds a bit flat. However if it drives like a more refined and comfortable Alfa 4c, it’s a win in my view.
20:20 🙈🤣🤣 the ride quality is disappointing to hear. I thought this could be a special and more understated Italian supercar that would be more usable in everyday life… I still love it though, I spent some time looking at one up close this week and it is stunning. I applaud them for making a proper halo car. Can’t wait to see the new GT
It’s a problem of this exact car. The other reviews in Europe , US , UK said it’s very supple. They can’t lie all
I’m stealing your vocabulary and expressions, they’re too good! 😆
Genuinely, the laptop I was watching this piece on unexpectedly shut down, when James was talking about 'reliability'.
on a British B road, ride makes a hell of a lot of difference to how much you can push on and enjoy the drive
Another great review
Your brutal honesty, makes your reviews great. Thanks James.
I trust your reviews. Having said that, it is very disapointing that the preformance is not there. Be happy, be safe
this is one of the few cars i wish could depreciate so i can actually afford one some day
Actually looking forward to a Suzuki Swift Sport or Clio 200 review to be honest. Something along those lines.
I think Clio RS200 EDC has already been reviewed. Was it 2020, if I remembered correctly? You can find it on James' video list. I can recommend watching that one.
Thanks for the video. I know Chris Harris liked it on track, but obviously you are not on track. Useful info, thanks again JM!
It’s a very beautiful car when you see it in person!!
Great review as always. The suspension issue is really strange. I remember Seen Through Glass commenting how comfortable it was in GT mode. Could there be an issue with this car? 🤷
Honestly, I'm as confused as anyone else
Correct. It’s very a very strange opinion on the suspension , since other reviews, including top gear, on B roads say that the car is very supple especially compared to other cars in its class. They just can’t lie all, it’s impossible, the US reviews also call it very comfortable. Maybe it’s just a case with this exact car, something is wrong here.
@@coolguy_2997tyre pressures probably set way too high
It's missing something in black imo, hides its curves
Yeh I think a brighter colour would do it wonders.
Did you consider that driving along with the suspension raised could have impacted the ride quality?
Good Job Jay, like your style :-)
Great review jay. I think when it comes to super cars it’s not gonna make sense it has to be more a stupid purchase over practical purchase haha
good video James
That was an excellent rendition of the car That you are driving but I still would buy one because it's different. Then all of the rest Keep making the good bits.
Perfect content.
Another deep and honest review - we know thats why you are close to 300k subs......but i do want to take a moment to empathise with the owner, who brought you the car, presumably his pride and joy, that he took on a European road trip ( despite the ride quality) and whose car you have subsequently ripped up........
I've had Maseratis on and off for 40 years. Now, admittedly they've been mainly Quattroporte, with a few Ghiblis and a storming Bora for good measure.
I like Masertis - a lot; and two months ago, I had a loan of an MC20 for a long weekend. That engine is undoubtedly one of the best powerplants I've come across in a very long time. The transmission was also very good and the cabin a nice place to be. The car looks amazing, but that ride! Even on the excellent surface of the M5 I might as well have been driving on cobbles! I even went so far as to bring the car back to Yorkshire on a trailer behind my faithful old 1978 Jeep Golden Eagle. Such a pity from a truly great manufacturer.
I usually dislike supercars especially looks wise and could never imagine myself actually buying one, but this looks so good and refined.
JayEmm, the most honest auto reviewer on YT
That's why he is on everyone's black list. Bullshitter after 'hits'. And all the bloody boring adverts at the start of his video's! 'Ker-ching'. You tubers. Clever people talking crap, and taking your money!
The car looks like beautiful piece of art. Refined and classy , Personally my dream car now
I've just done 2500 miles in one and don't recognise those comments on the ride quality. The only comment I'd make is that the tyre sidewalls feel stiff and tyres harder, less grippier than say a PS4S, which I will be changing to.
(The good thing about costly options is they are optional!)
Just goes to show how wrong perception can be. Tyre reviews have tested both Bridgestones and Michelins and the Bridgestones are objectively quicker around both a wet and dry track, (though to be fair in the dry it's marginal - anything but in the wet though) and that's only possible if you have more, not less, grip. th-cam.com/video/t10y-87oiD4/w-d-xo.html The Bridgestones do have a stiffer side wall though.
@@jamesmay1322 Depends on context too. eg Pirellis have lots of grip on a lap but are not very good when cold. Normal road driving at 70% the Bridgestones don't feel like they have the grip of Michelins. I've got enough miles on all of them to know what feels good and what doesn't. I did test drive the MC20 in the wet, not since, and agree they had lots of grip then.
@@no66pdk4 But you're still only making a subjective assesment. You don't actually KNOW they're worse, they just FEEL worse. That's not the same thing at all. But granted tyres are as much about confidence as objective performance so if you feel the Michelins give you that then it's the better tyre for you. At the end of the day that's all that counts.
My own personal experience (granted on a far less powerful car and different sizes) is compared to the Goodyear F1 Supersports I had to replace (due to a puncture and lack of availablity not due to them being worn) with the Bridgestones, the Bridgestones oddly feel more compliant and less firm ride wise, yet turn in a touch more quickly and feel more like they're connecting to the road rather than rolling "over" it (if that makes any sense).
Father owns the MC20 and I have a Scud. I think you coming from the Scud directly into the MC20 set the MC20 up for failure as the Scud is that epic.
I'm calling it: You are going to buy the Artura as your first individually configured supercar. And I am happy for you ;)
Dude, when you grabbed your cgest i was dying
How loud was that indicator?
Louder than the engine.
Great vid. Trivial but does it have an extraordinarily thick steering wheel? Looks so.
When Maserati showed the mule of MC20 I thought it was a mess. Then they showed the real car, and it was drop-dead gorgeous. And then I saw one in the flesh when I did a walkaround 'review' of it. My God I love the thing even in the rather sombre shade of Nero Enigma. And I actually quite like the interior. To me it feels like a much better built than any previous Maserati (though my experience was only the GranTurismo S).
About the weight, yes Maserati claimed it's light because 'all of the carbon'. Yeaaaaa... but the carbon on the door was forged carbon. Which is not that light. And the door itself is pretty heavy. So I'm not surprised when EVO quoted a 1700kg weight figure for the MC20.
I'd go for Rosso Vincente, Giallo Genio or Blu Infinito if I were to buy one. Was thinking about FuoriSerie colour like Hyper Green or Blu Corse but the price was horrifying. Not that I can ever buy one, though. Can't even afford BBR's 1/64 model of this.
Time to lotto 😅
How can you say ist the Best Interieur of a maserati ever, when you had one (!) Modell in comparison. This company exists since 1914. Please think about your words before tiping.
^ And this, everyone, is why non-car people hate the so-called "car people".
Even I got weary of it.
It’s not because of forged carbon is wrong, Maserati explained to EVO that they had to make the monocoque excessively rigid and that massive since the full EV version of the mc20 is coming using the 500kg battery pack, so the body should be fine carrying it without flexes and safety wise. The structure for ICE and EV variants is the same so it came that heavy
Mule cars will always look ugly or not look like the end product. I mean Ferrari used the Maserati Levante as the Purosangue test mule
Looking forward to your review of the db12 when if you get your hands on it
I love the look of em & the engine…but a bit baffling how heavy it is..I’ve got a 911 992 Carrera S & that’s on the edge of acceptable suspension wise in the uk..don’t think I could handle anything harder..👍
I gave up my 992 gts after 4 months. Hideous suspension
In norwegian its still called masse rart i or lots of strange things inside... cool video!
Brilliant video Jay. I've been feeling quite stressed lately but you made me laugh out loud at 20:21 so thank you very much for that!
That makes it all worth it :)
Stressed? Why? Have you snapped a nail??
I have my 40kUSD F-type S awd with e85 tune and forged wheels. It is amazing. And has 550hp....and weights the same (actaually about 300lbs less I think per the EVO scale....) as this....and looks better. And is 10% or less of the cost. Done. Travel with the rest for real memories. It is important to not waste too much money on cars.... Everyone I know who had a Maseratti is happy they are not with it now....just expensive. Local dealer: 300 dollars to do an oil change.
Track cars with replacement carbon fibre doors have a similar problem with doors that are too light to shut properly. They dont close, they bounce.
Interesting review, I think I like the Gran Turismo more...thanks JM for the honesty and non compliance attitude.
Hats off to you for a genuinely honest review 👍
Maybe taking the standard fixed damper ? Then if still not good I am sure ohlins or KW would be really happy to provide 2 ways coilovers with good springs
There is only one suspension option for these
JayEmm... What a disappoint that car must have been. Looking forward to your review of Aston Martins DB12. That, will be worth the money. I could be wrong. Best Regards.
I can’t believe this channel still hasn’t made 500K subscribers..
As someone else pointed out, it’s possible the lift was up and the suspension wasn’t working the same as it does when the lift is down.
There is no way that should be possible. Suspension lifts will always have built in programming to lower back down automatically at around 30mph
@@mattwasilewicz9677 oh I didn’t know that. Learn something new everyday
I thought it looked bland too and was surprised to find opinions that it was uncharacteristically good for a Maserati which usually is best described as an acquired taste. This review seems much more like what I was expecting. Hopefully like other Maserati products, continuing development will improve the MC20 over time.
i actually like the "bland" designs sometimes. Even Hyundais are flashy and overdesigned these days so the subtle designs are refreshing imho
Digital Mint is a fantastic colour!! anything other than black, white or silver is good
Can you get the new rs3 hatchback? Thinking its the one! My Girlfriends cousin has one all blacked out beats anything from the lights like anything
You get yourself an spankin’ new DB12, looks to be the best of them all.
Reheated DB11?
What a great shame, was looking forward to your appraisal however thanks for your honesty
So refreshing to see honest reviews and not ones from people who have a press dept to answer to!
For me it doesn’t look much better than an Emira, and the sound is definitely a little rubbish for a super car, the gear change at 21:31 sounded like a fart to my ears 😂😂
Honestly, the price for the options alone on this car are kind of offputting, shame really as the car is very capable.
Mclaren or this. I thought I'd go this but you've just told me otherwise. And of cars we've both driven you always say the same as me so your opinion is gold
Great review James I'm not surprised by your review. I was highly underwhelmed when this was launched as it just didn't look special enough in any way ,the colours ,the depth of the paintwork the quality of the wheels etc etc. Even when MR JWW did the launch with all of those historic Maserati customers flying in to see it it didn't look amazing enough. When Karl Hartley had one of the first on the country it just looked ordinary and they should have been able to get better fuel consumption out of a V6 . Luckily the gran turismo looks amazing and I'd love a petrol one of those as even the interior looks special.
Jay is a Floyd fan then. Good choice sir, good choice..
"It's got no suspension, it's sporty" - JC
Is it not possible to recalibrate the adaptive dampers with software upgrades ?
A man we can always trust to give an honest opinion without worrying about offending the manufacturer
Personally, whilst getting on a bit in years, I'd rather have a Noble M600.