Zone of the Enders is a great retelling of the Gundam intro. I like Steel Battalion the best, though here in Japan we have mech arcade games where you are in cockpit.
Another game you should consider is Metal Warriors. It plays like Cybernator, but you can exit your mech, enter other ones, and the two-player mode is excellent!
We've actually covered that on the show before. It's in our Multiplayer episode. We didn't show much of the single player mode. Agreed though, it is fantastic! At least I thought so.
Yes, Metal Warriors is a great game. Wasn't it made by LucasArts? I also liked Armored Core, Armored Warriors & Cyberbots (both by Capcom), and Exo Squad.
I know you guys probably don't get this enough so I'm going to say it. Thank YOU for making Game Sack. Your show has helped me remember a lot of games that I played when I was younger. It's also given me the chance to see quite a few games I probably never would have. Keep up the great work :D
Big, BIG fan of Target: Earth. I'll never forget accidentally discovering invincibility when I sat on the second controller (hitting start on controller 2 triggers it).
FYI, the SNES game "Cybernator" was actually altered/censored from the Japanese Assault Suit Valken in a couple small ways. All of the character portraits were removed from the in-game dialog sections and several minor characters had their dialog cut out entirely. There is also a suicide scene by one of the enemy characters towards the end of the game that was removed. For those who really love the game, it's worth checking out the fan translation of the original Assault Suit Valken instead of the official Cybernator release for the proper game experience. Also some of you probably noticed glaring similarities between Valken and Front Mission: Gun Hazard. The director of Assault Suit Valken (which came first) actually left NCS, joined Square and headed up the production of Gun Hazard, hence the almost identical feel between the two games. They even share a secret special weapon: a super powerful Napalm Gun. In Valken/Cybernator, you have to beat the first stage without destroying ANYTHING but the first boss. Then, in the second stage, beat that stage without dying to keep the gun for the rest of the game. If you can also beat THAT stage without destroying anything but the boss (including asteroids!) you'll earn the ability to upgrade the Napalm Gun just like the other weapons in the game. Otherwise the Napalm Gun will forever be at level 1 (though is still wildly powerful). In Front Mission: Gun Hazard, the Napalm Gun is simply hidden in supply crates throughout various stages of the game. It cannot be purchased in stores. Though powerful, I find it rather difficult to use in this game and prefer using the shotgun as my unit's primary weapon.
There's a billion interesting western mech titles on the PC that came out in the 90's and early 2000's. You ought to check some of that stuff out for the next episode!
When I bought Bangai-O last year, I took the back cover off of the cartridge and replaced it with the rear cover of an NTSC U/C '99 Quarterback club so it plays in my North American console. I bought Metal Storm brand new when I was a kid. Both are awesome games. Great video as always. guys.
I know you guys don't cover PC games, but that's where a real treasure trove of good mech games can be found, especially if you like your mech games to play more like simulators.
What took so long?! I was refreshing my subscription page for several minutes waiting! Sorry, Game Sack is the peak of my weekends they air.(BTW I spread the word about your channel to everyone, you guys rock!)
I think I only managed to get to the 4th lvl. Didn't have patience to really learn it. So I found the cheat code using the tuner knob and unlocked all the VTs. The Juggernaut is sick!
I've never really been into mech games, but after watching another sack episode there's so many here I want to play! Thanks guys keep up the awesome work!
I'm surprised that you didn't cover Metal Warriors on the SNES. It fits right in with Cybernator, etc. -- even being hailed as an improved version of Cybernator in its time. Further, it's a US-only game that's highly sought after in the aftermarket. I have a ton of fond memories of that game.
I like Dave better than Joe 'cause he doesn't have much hair and knows what's up with Nintendo but I think Joe is pretty cool too 'cause he has a copy of Batman Forever.
David White I shave my head. Just think of how many more games we can play not having to worry about hair. It's, like, 10 minutes a week of pure, relaxed gaming bliss.
I've been playing Cybernator a lot recently. It's one of those games that seem impossible at first but the progression is really well designed. Yes, you will retry the same level many times and it will feel like you are stuck, but you're not, keeping playing. Amazing soundtrack too.
Holly shit! Gun Griffon has the Russian T-14 Armata tanks in the intro CGI... just without the extraneous attachments on the turret. I guess the idea of tanks with automated turrets was a thing back then too. By the way, I rented that game back in the days and had quite a bit of fun with it. Why not feature Virtua On in this episode though?!?
Absolutely fantastic guys. Love to see the Target Earth love. Back in the day my friend was the only one in the area that picked up a Genesis near launch. As a gift for me he made a VHS tape of playthoughs of Revenge of Shinobi, Ghouls and Ghosts, and Target Earth. I watched the ending of Target Earth until the tape wore out. Amazing song and great to hear it in the closing credits. Your videos are an absolute joy. Thanks.
David White Was for Dreamcast. Never had a Saturn but one of my cousins did. It's how I learned about and enjoyed Nights Into Dreams. Great game even if it has a few faults.
Cyber Troopers (VO) saw a release on nearly every single disc-based system that wasn't Nintendo. Fun series, especially if you ever get a chance to play the arcade unit.
Oh my god I love the Virtual on games so much. I actually own three different versions of the first game. The PC version, The PS2 Remake, and the Japanese Saturn version.
Cybernator rocks, thanks for reminding me to grab that cartridge again. I love that it has multiple endings based on how you complete some of the missions and that you can punch just about everything to pieces.
Game Sack hey guys, I would really love to see a Joe & Dave all-time favorites video. I think it would be cool for you both to list your top 10. To make it easier on you, you could even make multiples for different eras. for example, 8-bit era, 16-bit era, 32-bit, 64-bit.. and so on. IT WOULD BE AWESOME!
David White I really appreciate you getting back to me. Yeah, I saw the top ten 16-bit episode. I would really love to see a "personal" top ten episode though if you guys get the chance. Ten from each of you with each persons opinions on the others favorites as well. That would certainly be great! Also, I have noticed that there has been so much focus on SEGA and not so much on NES & SNES. I would really love to see even a console review with a few great games thrown in to it because to my knowledge your only Nintendo console review is for the Nintendo 64, which I love, but I just would really love to see the NES & SNES as we have had one for what I believe to be every single SEGA console. Please let me know if you do plan to do any of this in this season as it would mean a lot to me and a lot to I am sure quite a bit of your dedicated viewers. Thanks Joe & Dave for hearing me out.
We have every intention of making a SNES and NES episode. I'm not sure when it will happen but it will. As you mentioned we did an N64 episode but also one on the GC. We're almost out of SEGA consoles to cover then it will be Nintendos turn. Saving the best for last.
This is great news! I did know about the GC video, I guess it just slipped my mind. I love all 8 & 16-bit era consoles that I have had the chance to play. I guess that I am just a little bit burnt out on SEGA at the moment and REALLY wanting to see some good old Nintendo. Thanks so much for the update and I am very much looking forward to these videos! Keep up the great work!
Christian Horton I've found the sega episodes really interesting because I only had Nintendo consoles and found the Sega consoles to be a little inferior, up until the Dreamcast. It's neat seeing some of the stuff I missed out on.
Ranger X on the Genesis, Virtual On for almost every system, Tech Romancer on the DC, and Armored Warriors(really solid beat-em-up, sadly arcade only as far as I know.) Have you guys thought about doing an episode on Dinosaur Games? As in, games focused around dinosaurs, not an 8-bit SOCAL sports game where you play as dinosaurs.
We haven't thought about a dinosaur only episode. We've covered some of the Jurassic Park games before. I'm sure there's enough of them out there. What are your favorite dino games?
David White Hmm, without mentioning the JP franchise? There were a lot of really bad ones like Dinosaurs for Hire and RR(doesn't even deserve to be spelled out,) but some decent ones too. I really enjoyed the Cadillacs and Dinosaurs beat 'em up in the arcade/MVS (although I think the Sega CD version was very different,) Dino Crisis and it's sequel(s) were pretty fun, Dynowarz on the NES, Gon for the SNES (sad this never saw a States release!) and obviously Primal Rage and Turok are staples of big scaly beasties. And I mean, if we're really getting down to it Yoshi's Island is not only a great dinosaur game but one of the best platformers on the SNES :) Now you've put dinos on my mind, brb gonna play a little Gon right now! edit: Had to add Bubble Bobble. Dunno if it qualifies as a dino game strictly, but it's voice had to be heard due to awesomeness!
Cybernator was my gateway drug for mech games. It took a while to get into it but then I was hooked and finally finished it. For me it was key to find all of the power ups.
MAAAN you guys forgot Virtual-ON... Maybe because they are 'Virtuaroids'? ;-) Be shure to check out 'Bulk Slash' on the Saturn! It's made by Hudson and kicks ass! ^_^
You guys have the best game showcases. I love Treasure, they are my favorite developer (next to Platinum) as they continue to crank out better and better arcade style games for the consoles as the years go on.
Seeing the N64 version of Bangai-O in action and having acquired Japanese N64 recently to play NTSC imports, mostly US, I wanted to check the ebay prices - and they made me kinda cry, I cannot pay THAT much for bangai-o...
And one of the biggest catch 22's for new collectors is that videos like this put the game on a lot of peoples radar, thus making them unobtainable to the average collector. It happens all the time. Kotaku (or any website) releases a hidden gems list, next thing you know Hagane has gone up in value by $200 in a couple months. As a gamer I like that people become aware of past games that never got their proper due, but as a collector I want to pull every article and video on retro games from the internet so my wallet stops crying 'no mas!'
noisyturtle Yeah, gamester81 comments on the "rare" games that are not even rare but just get a huge mark up for popularity, like EarthBound on SNES and I would say Conker's bad fur day, there is copies out there, numerous but the markup in price is just crazy compared to rarity or whatever. I am mostly talking about especially crazy prices of PAL european copies of Conker, US copies especially loose carts are outright cheap compared to that, though shipping still adds way too much to that price. Yeah I got the Japanese N64 just to import Conker at some poin, and buying a clipped JP N64 was cheaper than import booting cartridges, and also offer better compatibility over all.
SumeaBizarro "buying a clipped JP N64 was cheaper than import booting cartridges, and also offer better compatibility over all." - Do you mean carts that load roms? I remember reading something about a recent one that was better than the Everdrive and offered better compatibility but I'm not really into these things. I just thought yous should know.
keeperxiii "Do you mean carts that load roms?" - No, I talked strictly about cartridge that is intended to be used on PAL system to boot an NTSC game and vice versa, specifically since I have my eyes on importing conker from US. I been eying on everdrives too but you can get PAL versions of those as well. Basically Both Japanese and American N64's are identical down to using the exact same lockout chips. Japanese system will play american games and american N64 would play japanese carts, only prerequisite is to clip out portion of the cartridge bay that stops you from inserting the foreign cartridge. Given the N64 key or whatever I was looking at cost 10eur more than the japanese N64 I obtained and it specifically had reported some minor problems with conker, I opted to buying a Japanese N64, still have not found any use for it but I hope soon I will. ***** Indeed I have seen some clearances of Wii U's, especially the white ones for really cheap, remember seeing white one brand new go for 199€ so definitely. Still I would love to get the N64 copy of conker even though it means I am just hunting a good deal for NTSC one.
Great episode and thanks for explaining the difference between mechs and transformers. One of my favourite games was "Krazy Ivan" on the playstation. This mech game deserves an update.
I love you guys. Your "marketing and Kojima puns" you always tried to sneak into your reviews are killing me everytime. After all the videos you uploaded, you still find ways to amaze and introduce me to new games! Thanks from France!
Gun Hazard looks right up my alley, thanks for the tip!
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You know, sometimes, just sometimes, it's really a shame you guys never talk about PC games. We could have had some Mechwarrior, Earthsiege/Starsiege, Shattered Steel, Mech Commander, Shogo, Heavy Gear, Slave Zero* and so much more. It was a good episode nonetheless. I once played through Front Mission: Gun Hazard on an emulator (didn't have an SNES anymore) and had great fun. Too bad the fan translation only came out way later. I would have enjoyed the game so much more. * There IS a Dreamcast version of Slave Zero, but I heard it's not that good.
Don't forget Terra Nova: Strike Force Centauri. Many of these lists lack some of the best games when you take out PC exclusives, like the movie tie in episode missing Blade Runner and Alien vs Predator (1999)
Two of my favorite mech games are: 1) Omega Boost (PSX) - third person space shooter 2) Iron Brigade/Trenched (XBLA) - 3rd person co-op tower defense shooter... Great with a group of friends! Check these two out for the next installment! ^_^
9 dislikes? Who the hell are these morons? What is there not to like about Game Sack and their amazing quality and variety of videos? Keep it up guys! I love your stuff.
Game Sack Do you say that the problem with seasonal episodes is that they are seasonal in the context of people not wanting to watch them out of season? I could see that for some holidays like Christmas or a general "Summer" one, but I think people are into Halloween and Halloween-like games all year long. I'd be curious to know the metrics behind seasonal episodes. Personally, I think If I saw a back catalog of dozens of episodes for a series, I might gravitate toward seasonal episodes as a place to start because they it provides some relatable context for getting into a show. I think I found Jon Tron a little annoying, actually, until I watched one of his Halloween episodes, which was hysterical.
Mechassault, All the Mechwarrior games, Battletech games, Omega Boost, Strike Suit Zero, Iron Soldier, Krazy Ivan, Future Cop LAPD, Front Mission Series, the Armored Core games, Metal Mech, Dynowarz, Virtual On...those are just a few that I can think of off the top of my head for another mech episode!
I'm still pissed that *Hideo Kojima* never made a third Zone of the Enders. Does anybody still care about Metal Gear Solid anymore? I feel like it's like Halo: past it's prime but still being milked for every last drop.
MG Rising was surprisingly fun. I think the series has run it's course, but off-shoot titles in the same universe are more than welcome. Now if only he would make a new Snatcher game....
I went to high school with the kid who voices the main character in ZOE. I told him I loved the game. I asked him if he played it and he said he got a free copy but he didn't play it!
Also, the PC has some of the best mech games - it's a bit of a travesty that none have even been mentioned. Mech Warrior, Terra Nova: Strike Force Centauri, Earth Siege, etc. I know you're console fanboys but when you do a vid on mech games, you should at least do a little investigation. These are all 90's games so if you do games a lot younger than that, you got no excuse really.
First mech game i can think of, is Virtual On. One of the coolest arcade machines back then, with two sticks and triggers, plus the speakers right con tour neck! Crear memories, i used to play against muy brother for hours, so much money, not wasted anyways
Metal Warriors for the SNES is my favorite mech game of all time... Different mechs that you utilize with completely different abilities. Even has a multiplayer vs mode... Many hours were spent playing this game in my house...
Man I first played Cybernator back when I was still in Jr High School and I loved every second of it and I was wondering why I never heard about it from any of my friends!
Great show guys I just watched all your other shows in the past 2 weeks and this I must say is one of the best channels out there without doubt. Thanks for spending so much time giving your fellow gamers something worth watching.... The Halloween shows were my favorites!
A great mech game for me is Cyber Troopers: Virtual-On, at least the first, I still couldn't manage to play the rest of the series but the first one (avaliable for Saturn, PC and arcades) is really good, It's full 3D mech vs. mech battle action every second with multiple stages, very good music, destructible objects and a wide variety of mechs to choose from, casually I tried the game (and still play It sometimes) in a two-cabin arcade in a game zone near my house! And It's still there, I think I am a bit lucky for that. xD
Yes! That game came with a PC we bought when i was in high school, and i loved it. I've tried to get it on an emulator, but sadly i haven't found one that isn't buggy to hell. The graphics are dated, but still very fun to play.
My all-time favorite console mech game was the original Armored Core on the Playstation. I loved it so much that I bought a second copy, a second Playstation and a link cable so that my friends and I could play full-screen (unfortunately, full-screen didn't have some basic options, like "Stage Select"). I loved the ability to build a mech exactly how I wanted it, and the robot designs were all created by Shoji Kawamori (the guy who created the iconic Macross/Robotech VF-1 fighters). The gameplay, while a bit clunky still felt exciting, and figuring out what parts were needed for the next mission was a thrill. Unfortunately, later games in the series were slow to adopt analog controls, and by the time they did they had ramped up the difficulty to the point where it was more tedious than fun (they added a bunch of new parts that were used to cool the mechs' weapon systems and engines, which wasn't needed in the first game, making the new mechs feel much weaker by comparison because warning lights were always going off), and consistently made the levels feel cramped and boxed in. By the time Armored Core 3 rolled around I had lost interest, and I actually hated Armored Core 4 because of its severe loading times, tiny levels, and obnoxious learning curve. I haven't revisited the series since, but I'll always have fond memories of that first game.
Nice touch having the Target Earth ending song as your video/review comes to a closure. I really love that game and to this day wish I could play the Saturn sequel.
Thank you for showing some love for Metal Storm. I'm not a big mech fan, by any stretch, but that was a very fun game that I rented a lot back in the day.
There was an awesome Mech game I played growing up on the Genesis called "Ranger X". That game was awesome. The Mech had limited boost abilities and could merge with a motorcycle that looked like a bird. Great game. Never beat it though. Also Omega Boost made by polyphony digital. Great game and I wish they would have made a sequel.
Another AMAZING EPISODE! Definitely mentioned some games I had never heard of which is awesome! Same great humor I have grown very fond of. I am still hoping you will do a DVD release soon with every episode! Maybe an Anniversary? With DVD extras YEAH!!!!
You guys should cover Armored Core, it's probably the longest running mech series but also the least talked about. It does have a cult following, though. It's all about extremely deep customization and high-speed action.
I'm a huge anime head and a big game fan but I've never really been too fond of the mech genre but there was one game when I was younger that I vaguely remember. I believe it was called armored core or something, that was pretty cool if I remember correctly.
I remember enjoying 'Gundam Side Story 0079: Rise from the Ashes' for the Dreamcast. For the longest time that was my favorite mech game!
Journey to Jaburo was very stiff and bland but I loved it
Zone of the Enders most definitely within my top list of all time great mech games.
Also if I had to toss out any random mech title, it'd be one of my favorite RPG's and that's Xenogears on PS1 :D
AlphaOmegaSin I have to agree with you there mister.But I think I hold the Xenosaga games a little bit higher though.
AlphaOmegaSin You should get the Japanese version of that, as it has missing scenes that were omitted from the US version.
Xenogears is fantastic. Shame about the whole 2nd disc thing though.
Zone of the Enders is a great retelling of the Gundam intro. I like Steel Battalion the best, though here in Japan we have mech arcade games where you are in cockpit.
Ahhhhh, nothing like spending a Saturday night at home eating pizza, drinking Dr Pepper, and watching Game Sack!
Vanilla Cream Soda Dr. Pepper....:)
you sound bitter
Vincent Lyle No, not at all.
Sounds like a nice relaxing evening to me!!!
Replace Dr. Pepper with rum, and I agree!
Another Sunday, another Game Sack. Thanks guys. The show always makes a Sunday better. Well, Game Sack and some gaming do.
Maybe you guys should have covered GUNGRIFFON II for the Saturn rather than the original.
You should try Faselei on the NeoGeoPocket.
morning Retro Core and Zik Zak
GUNGRIFFON BLAZE :D
I don't play video games. I think the hobby's stupid. I just like watching these videos because I love video games.
Another game you should consider is Metal Warriors. It plays like Cybernator, but you can exit your mech, enter other ones, and the two-player mode is excellent!
We've actually covered that on the show before. It's in our Multiplayer episode. We didn't show much of the single player mode. Agreed though, it is fantastic! At least I thought so.
Yes, Metal Warriors is a great game. Wasn't it made by LucasArts? I also liked Armored Core, Armored Warriors & Cyberbots (both by Capcom), and Exo Squad.
V RAILY DREAMCAST AND COLIN MCRAE PS1 ARE GOOD GAMES
I was going to say this... Metal Warriors is awesome!
I was about to recommend MW. Very good game.
I know you guys probably don't get this enough so I'm going to say it. Thank YOU for making Game Sack. Your show has helped me remember a lot of games that I played when I was younger. It's also given me the chance to see quite a few games I probably never would have. Keep up the great work :D
Thank You! Bringing back fond memories is always good.
Not to mention the incredible quality of every episode (plus I like their awkward acting).
Front Mission: Gun Hazard is my favorite in the series. The composers did a fantastic job (Hamauzu, Nakano, Uematsu, Mitsuda).
Big, BIG fan of Target: Earth. I'll never forget accidentally discovering invincibility when I sat on the second controller (hitting start on controller 2 triggers it).
Yes! Target Earth is so underrated.
FYI, the SNES game "Cybernator" was actually altered/censored from the Japanese Assault Suit Valken in a couple small ways. All of the character portraits were removed from the in-game dialog sections and several minor characters had their dialog cut out entirely. There is also a suicide scene by one of the enemy characters towards the end of the game that was removed. For those who really love the game, it's worth checking out the fan translation of the original Assault Suit Valken instead of the official Cybernator release for the proper game experience.
Also some of you probably noticed glaring similarities between Valken and Front Mission: Gun Hazard. The director of Assault Suit Valken (which came first) actually left NCS, joined Square and headed up the production of Gun Hazard, hence the almost identical feel between the two games. They even share a secret special weapon: a super powerful Napalm Gun.
In Valken/Cybernator, you have to beat the first stage without destroying ANYTHING but the first boss. Then, in the second stage, beat that stage without dying to keep the gun for the rest of the game. If you can also beat THAT stage without destroying anything but the boss (including asteroids!) you'll earn the ability to upgrade the Napalm Gun just like the other weapons in the game. Otherwise the Napalm Gun will forever be at level 1 (though is still wildly powerful).
In Front Mission: Gun Hazard, the Napalm Gun is simply hidden in supply crates throughout various stages of the game. It cannot be purchased in stores. Though powerful, I find it rather difficult to use in this game and prefer using the shotgun as my unit's primary weapon.
Taking the character portraits out of the dialog was dumb. It makes it less Leynos-y.
Thanks for this comment, I'd always wondered about the connection. That's what I love about the majority of the GS community.
No Virtual On, no Armored Core, no Mechwarrior.
Missing some actual classics in there.
True. And front mission. Or gundam.
Joe should make a part 2 to this one
2:56 Front Mission 3 and 4 were released outside of Japan, as was the DS remake of 1, if I recall correctly.
Two weeks is too long to wait for another episode! I'm off to binge watch the early stuff again.
There's a billion interesting western mech titles on the PC that came out in the 90's and early 2000's. You ought to check some of that stuff out for the next episode!
Thanks for mentioning FM Gunhazard. That is easily one of the best SNES games hands down. The soundtrack is perhaps the best SNES soundtrack too.
When I bought Bangai-O last year, I took the back cover off of the cartridge and replaced it with the rear cover of an NTSC U/C '99 Quarterback club so it plays in my North American console. I bought Metal Storm brand new when I was a kid. Both are awesome games. Great video as always. guys.
Front Mission Gun Hazard. YES!
This is it, thanks guy. I was looking for this game in a very long time!
I know you guys don't cover PC games, but that's where a real treasure trove of good mech games can be found, especially if you like your mech games to play more like simulators.
Even from a console perspective, you've got MechWarrior 2: 31st Century Combat for the PlayStation and Saturn.
That Hideo Kojima thing you did was great :). My fave mech games are Vixen 357 and Ranger X.
Every time I'm about to turn off my comp and go to sleep you guy pull me back in. And that how much I love your show in a nutshell.
Yep were the Cosa Nostra of youtube.
I liked "Virtual On",plus the end music to this episode was the end music to "Target Earth" not "Grandia III" for the Playstation 2.
***** True indeed.
Grandia 3 music is used in the ending skit. Target Earth is listed before that so the credits are indeed correct.
Game Sack Ahhhhh,so I do stand corrected a thousand apologies.
Virtual On. I've spent many a coin and whole lot of time yelling inside those arcade cockpits. Good times.
xiaochicash I still play it on Xbox live.
The progress on the the production value of the videos is looking great! Love the videos you guys, keep up the good work!
Metal Warrios for SNES is amazing. It takes elements of Cybernator and the Front Mission game Joe mentioned, but just amps it to the next level.
What took so long?!
I was refreshing my subscription page for several minutes waiting!
Sorry, Game Sack is the peak of my weekends they air.(BTW I spread the word about your channel to everyone, you guys rock!)
Thank you for making gamesack and sticking with it. You guys have some rad 'tude!
Thank You!
the hideo kojima gag was very funny :D thanks for this video. :)
That was Joe's idea. He comes up with some good stuff sometimes.
Target Earth was one of my favorite Genesis games back in the day. Thanks for showing that.
This is my favorite show. I didn't even like mechs before I watched this, but now I do.
Thanks!
So happy to see a new video from GameSack. Even though it's past 2 in the morning over here in New York. I'm up with my kids anyway.
If you like squishing little humans in a giant mech, SHOGO is the game for you.
Zone of the Enders 2 is an amazing game, especially if you buy the remastered 2-game disk for the PS3. It's a gorgeous game and the pace is quick.
I still have steel battalion and the controller. To be honest I didn't really play it much either. ..
I think I only managed to get to the 4th lvl. Didn't have patience to really learn it. So I found the cheat code using the tuner knob and unlocked all the VTs. The Juggernaut is sick!
Gamesack, always saving my sunday from boredom.
Metal warriors for SNES is amazing, check it out for the next episode of mech games!
I've never really been into mech games, but after watching another sack episode there's so many here I want to play! Thanks guys keep up the awesome work!
I'm surprised that you didn't cover Metal Warriors on the SNES. It fits right in with Cybernator, etc. -- even being hailed as an improved version of Cybernator in its time. Further, it's a US-only game that's highly sought after in the aftermarket. I have a ton of fond memories of that game.
Adore Mech games! Was a great watch witnessing some titles I've yet to have the chance to play myself.
I like Dave better than Joe 'cause he doesn't have much hair and knows what's up with Nintendo but I think Joe is pretty cool too 'cause he has a copy of Batman Forever.
One of my favorite comments so far!
Hair is over rated anyways. Who needs the hassle of hair? Not me!
David White I shave my head. Just think of how many more games we can play not having to worry about hair. It's, like, 10 minutes a week of pure, relaxed gaming bliss.
I've been playing Cybernator a lot recently.
It's one of those games that seem impossible at first but the progression is really well designed.
Yes, you will retry the same level many times and it will feel like you are stuck, but you're not, keeping playing.
Amazing soundtrack too.
I'm glad you guys doing this. You are awesome!
Holly shit! Gun Griffon has the Russian T-14 Armata tanks in the intro CGI... just without the extraneous attachments on the turret. I guess the idea of tanks with automated turrets was a thing back then too. By the way, I rented that game back in the days and had quite a bit of fun with it. Why not feature Virtua On in this episode though?!?
actually Front Mission had left japan, first with Front Mision 3 (psx), 4(ps2) and then a port of the first one on the DS with added content.
Absolutely fantastic guys. Love to see the Target Earth love. Back in the day my friend was the only one in the area that picked up a Genesis near launch. As a gift for me he made a VHS tape of playthoughs of Revenge of Shinobi, Ghouls and Ghosts, and Target Earth. I watched the ending of Target Earth until the tape wore out. Amazing song and great to hear it in the closing credits. Your videos are an absolute joy. Thanks.
Also curious what you will be saving ZOE2 for...sequels that blew away the original?
Nathan Thach
That's a good idea. Most likely saving it for when we cover this topic again.
Can't wait. Great work, guys.
Isn't Virtual On a mech game? I think that's the name but I remember seeing it on a demo disc.
Yes it sure is. Was that a Saturn or DC demo disc?
David White Was for Dreamcast.
Never had a Saturn but one of my cousins did. It's how I learned about and enjoyed Nights Into Dreams. Great game even if it has a few faults.
Cyber Troopers (VO) saw a release on nearly every single disc-based system that wasn't Nintendo. Fun series, especially if you ever get a chance to play the arcade unit.
Oh my god I love the Virtual on games so much. I actually own three different versions of the first game. The PC version, The PS2 Remake, and the Japanese Saturn version.
Cybernator rocks, thanks for reminding me to grab that cartridge again. I love that it has multiple endings based on how you complete some of the missions and that you can punch just about everything to pieces.
Front Mission 3 and 4 where both released in the US
And the DS remake of 1
Thank you two for mentioning those, I was going to if you hadn't!
Front Mission 3 was an emotional rollercoaster of awesome. And I wanna play through it again some time
Game Sack hey guys, I would really love to see a Joe & Dave all-time favorites video. I think it would be cool for you both to list your top 10. To make it easier on you, you could even make multiples for different eras. for example, 8-bit era, 16-bit era, 32-bit, 64-bit.. and so on. IT WOULD BE AWESOME!
Thanks! We did a top ten 16-bit episode last year. We will be doing more top 10's. Hopefully soon.
David White I really appreciate you getting back to me. Yeah, I saw the top ten 16-bit episode. I would really love to see a "personal" top ten episode though if you guys get the chance. Ten from each of you with each persons opinions on the others favorites as well. That would certainly be great! Also, I have noticed that there has been so much focus on SEGA and not so much on NES & SNES. I would really love to see even a console review with a few great games thrown in to it because to my knowledge your only Nintendo console review is for the Nintendo 64, which I love, but I just would really love to see the NES & SNES as we have had one for what I believe to be every single SEGA console. Please let me know if you do plan to do any of this in this season as it would mean a lot to me and a lot to I am sure quite a bit of your dedicated viewers. Thanks Joe & Dave for hearing me out.
We have every intention of making a SNES and NES episode. I'm not sure when it will happen but it will. As you mentioned we did an N64 episode but also one on the GC. We're almost out of SEGA consoles to cover then it will be Nintendos turn. Saving the best for last.
This is great news! I did know about the GC video, I guess it just slipped my mind. I love all 8 & 16-bit era consoles that I have had the chance to play. I guess that I am just a little bit burnt out on SEGA at the moment and REALLY wanting to see some good old Nintendo. Thanks so much for the update and I am very much looking forward to these videos! Keep up the great work!
Christian Horton I've found the sega episodes really interesting because I only had Nintendo consoles and found the Sega consoles to be a little inferior, up until the Dreamcast. It's neat seeing some of the stuff I missed out on.
I always come home drunk to a new Game Sack. Seems to be tradition now. Cheers!
Ranger X on the Genesis, Virtual On for almost every system, Tech Romancer on the DC, and Armored Warriors(really solid beat-em-up, sadly arcade only as far as I know.)
Have you guys thought about doing an episode on Dinosaur Games? As in, games focused around dinosaurs, not an 8-bit SOCAL sports game where you play as dinosaurs.
We haven't thought about a dinosaur only episode. We've covered some of the Jurassic Park games before. I'm sure there's enough of them out there. What are your favorite dino games?
David White Hmm, without mentioning the JP franchise? There were a lot of really bad ones like Dinosaurs for Hire and RR(doesn't even deserve to be spelled out,) but some decent ones too. I really enjoyed the Cadillacs and Dinosaurs beat 'em up in the arcade/MVS (although I think the Sega CD version was very different,) Dino Crisis and it's sequel(s) were pretty fun, Dynowarz on the NES, Gon for the SNES (sad this never saw a States release!) and obviously Primal Rage and Turok are staples of big scaly beasties.
And I mean, if we're really getting down to it Yoshi's Island is not only a great dinosaur game but one of the best platformers on the SNES :)
Now you've put dinos on my mind, brb gonna play a little Gon right now!
edit: Had to add Bubble Bobble. Dunno if it qualifies as a dino game strictly, but it's voice had to be heard due to awesomeness!
noisyturtle there's also the famous Joe & Mac games, also dubbed Caveman Ninja in the arcades. Chuck Rock i guess is another one if it counts.
Cybernator was my gateway drug for mech games. It took a while to get into it but then I was hooked and finally finished it. For me it was key to find all of the power ups.
MAAAN you guys forgot Virtual-ON... Maybe because they are 'Virtuaroids'? ;-)
Be shure to check out 'Bulk Slash' on the Saturn! It's made by Hudson and
kicks ass! ^_^
From my understanding Gun Hazards designer was also involved in the Cybernator/ Leynos series, which explains why Gun Hazard is so good.
No Ranger X for the Sega Genesis :-( I love this game!
I love it too can't advance far because of the controller us, swapping weapons and stuff
You guys have the best game showcases. I love Treasure, they are my favorite developer (next to Platinum) as they continue to crank out better and better arcade style games for the consoles as the years go on.
I thought Robin Williams was alive for a second but it was Dave's hairy arms.
Lol. Even my knuckles are hairy. I'm just a step above neanderthal.
Have Joe dress up like the Pink Ranger and shave you.
I'm glad Cybernator got a shout out as that game is one of my favourite SNES games
Seeing the N64 version of Bangai-O in action and having acquired Japanese N64 recently to play NTSC imports, mostly US, I wanted to check the ebay prices - and they made me kinda cry, I cannot pay THAT much for bangai-o...
And one of the biggest catch 22's for new collectors is that videos like this put the game on a lot of peoples radar, thus making them unobtainable to the average collector. It happens all the time. Kotaku (or any website) releases a hidden gems list, next thing you know Hagane has gone up in value by $200 in a couple months.
As a gamer I like that people become aware of past games that never got their proper due, but as a collector I want to pull every article and video on retro games from the internet so my wallet stops crying 'no mas!'
noisyturtle Yeah, gamester81 comments on the "rare" games that are not even rare but just get a huge mark up for popularity, like EarthBound on SNES and I would say Conker's bad fur day, there is copies out there, numerous but the markup in price is just crazy compared to rarity or whatever.
I am mostly talking about especially crazy prices of PAL european copies of Conker, US copies especially loose carts are outright cheap compared to that, though shipping still adds way too much to that price.
Yeah I got the Japanese N64 just to import Conker at some poin, and buying a clipped JP N64 was cheaper than import booting cartridges, and also offer better compatibility over all.
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250 but yeah, you can get a used wiiu and brand new game or two for that price.
SumeaBizarro "buying a clipped JP N64 was cheaper than import booting cartridges, and also offer better compatibility over all." - Do you mean carts that load roms? I remember reading something about a recent one that was better than the Everdrive and offered better compatibility but I'm not really into these things. I just thought yous should know.
keeperxiii "Do you mean carts that load roms?" - No, I talked strictly about cartridge that is intended to be used on PAL system to boot an NTSC game and vice versa, specifically since I have my eyes on importing conker from US. I been eying on everdrives too but you can get PAL versions of those as well.
Basically Both Japanese and American N64's are identical down to using the exact same lockout chips. Japanese system will play american games and american N64 would play japanese carts, only prerequisite is to clip out portion of the cartridge bay that stops you from inserting the foreign cartridge.
Given the N64 key or whatever I was looking at cost 10eur more than the japanese N64 I obtained and it specifically had reported some minor problems with conker, I opted to buying a Japanese N64, still have not found any use for it but I hope soon I will.
***** Indeed I have seen some clearances of Wii U's, especially the white ones for really cheap, remember seeing white one brand new go for 199€ so definitely. Still I would love to get the N64 copy of conker even though it means I am just hunting a good deal for NTSC one.
I always work super late on saturday nights and it's fucking awesome when I come home and get an awesome episode of Gamesack to watch.
as a tf collector, its was tough to watch him toss Hook and manhandle Scorponok. uggg...
The cool thing about Scorponok is that his joints are so hard to move you HAVE to manhandle him!
Great episode and thanks for explaining the difference between mechs and transformers. One of my favourite games was "Krazy Ivan" on the playstation. This mech game deserves an update.
Cosmic Epsilon for the Famicom is a mecha game.
I love you guys. Your "marketing and Kojima puns" you always tried to sneak into your reviews are killing me everytime. After all the videos you uploaded, you still find ways to amaze and introduce me to new games! Thanks from France!
I love this show.
I love your show! I think I watched every episode! The best of you is that you guys are really console games specialists rather than just PC gamers!
Thanks! Yeah I never got into PC gaming. I never thought the idea of upgrading separate components of a PC was a good idea. Too expensive.
Try Battletech on the genesis... It's Desert Strike with a mech !!
That sounds awesome actually! :)
Gun Hazard looks right up my alley, thanks for the tip!
You know, sometimes, just sometimes, it's really a shame you guys never talk about PC games. We could have had some Mechwarrior, Earthsiege/Starsiege, Shattered Steel, Mech Commander, Shogo, Heavy Gear, Slave Zero* and so much more.
It was a good episode nonetheless. I once played through Front Mission: Gun Hazard on an emulator (didn't have an SNES anymore) and had great fun. Too bad the fan translation only came out way later. I would have enjoyed the game so much more.
* There IS a Dreamcast version of Slave Zero, but I heard it's not that good.
Don't forget Terra Nova: Strike Force Centauri. Many of these lists lack some of the best games when you take out PC exclusives, like the movie tie in episode missing Blade Runner and Alien vs Predator (1999)
You aren't to wrong about slave zero, the controller really limits the game.
Yeah,not having PC Mech Games really limits this epidode since its the system with some of the very best both in quality and quantity. Damn shame.
The SNES also had a so-so version of MechWarrior.
You guys always deliver! Thanks for the vids!
Hideo Kojima is watching you....
I probably should put some pants on then.
Nah. Next time just go totally in the buff like Raiden in MSG 2.
Two of my favorite mech games are:
1) Omega Boost (PSX) - third person space shooter
2) Iron Brigade/Trenched (XBLA) - 3rd person co-op tower defense shooter... Great with a group of friends!
Check these two out for the next installment! ^_^
ARMORED CORE!!!!!
Loved this episode guys! I'd love to see a sequel since there are, as you rightfully stated, a lot more you could cover.
9 dislikes? Who the hell are these morons? What is there not to like about Game Sack and their amazing quality and variety of videos? Keep it up guys! I love your stuff.
Thank You!
The transformer part at the end was great! I might still have that giant scorpion/battlestation one in my parent's attic!
No Halloween episode this year?
:(
No. I was sad too but we decided to put it off this year. Hopefully next year we will put one out.
David White Well, maybe you will do a Christmas this year.
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The problem with seasonal episodes is that they're seasonal.
Dave a turkey day episode? Where you both can shit on American football games?? (Please) funnies
Game Sack Do you say that the problem with seasonal episodes is that they are seasonal in the context of people not wanting to watch them out of season? I could see that for some holidays like Christmas or a general "Summer" one, but I think people are into Halloween and Halloween-like games all year long. I'd be curious to know the metrics behind seasonal episodes.
Personally, I think If I saw a back catalog of dozens of episodes for a series, I might gravitate toward seasonal episodes as a place to start because they it provides some relatable context for getting into a show. I think I found Jon Tron a little annoying, actually, until I watched one of his Halloween episodes, which was hysterical.
Mechassault, All the Mechwarrior games, Battletech games, Omega Boost, Strike Suit Zero, Iron Soldier, Krazy Ivan, Future Cop LAPD, Front Mission Series, the Armored Core games, Metal Mech, Dynowarz, Virtual On...those are just a few that I can think of off the top of my head for another mech episode!
I'm still pissed that *Hideo Kojima* never made a third Zone of the Enders. Does anybody still care about Metal Gear Solid anymore? I feel like it's like Halo: past it's prime but still being milked for every last drop.
MG Rising was surprisingly fun. I think the series has run it's course, but off-shoot titles in the same universe are more than welcome. Now if only he would make a new Snatcher game....
Metal Gear just keeps getting better and it's fanbase is ever-growing. However, I really do wish we'd get a 3rd ZOE.
Toasty's Stuff The series really peaked with Snake Eater. After that, every MGS game was pretty much 7hrs of FMV with an hour's worth of gameplay.
noisyturtle That is an extreme exaggeration.
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I'm guessing you haven't played peacewalker that game was more gameplay then story.
That game Bangaio looks really fricking good. Love the homing missile effects. Now i must try to play it somewhere.
Metal Warriors for the SNES.
I know this is an old comment but I just rediscovered that neat little game in Retropie. : )
I went to high school with the kid who voices the main character in ZOE. I told him I loved the game. I asked him if he played it and he said he got a free copy but he didn't play it!
That's interesting. Did he sound that annoying in real life?
No, not really. His voice is more whiny in the game, haha.
Also, the PC has some of the best mech games - it's a bit of a travesty that none have even been mentioned. Mech Warrior, Terra Nova: Strike Force Centauri, Earth Siege, etc. I know you're console fanboys but when you do a vid on mech games, you should at least do a little investigation. These are all 90's games so if you do games a lot younger than that, you got no excuse really.
Another great episode from my favorite game show. I just noticed that Dave looks a lot like the guy who killed Uncle Ben in the first Spiderman movie
First mech game i can think of, is Virtual On. One of the coolest arcade machines back then, with two sticks and triggers, plus the speakers right con tour neck! Crear memories, i used to play against muy brother for hours, so much money, not wasted anyways
Another great video of a bunch of games that usually get very little attention.
Metal Warriors for the SNES is my favorite mech game of all time... Different mechs that you utilize with completely different abilities. Even has a multiplayer vs mode... Many hours were spent playing this game in my house...
Man I first played Cybernator back when I was still in Jr High School and I loved every second of it and I was wondering why I never heard about it from any of my friends!
Virtual On for the Saturn is one of my favorite mech games.
Great show guys I just watched all your other shows in the past 2 weeks and this I must say is one of the best channels out there without doubt. Thanks for spending so much time giving your fellow gamers something worth watching.... The Halloween shows were my favorites!
PS I still have my Steel Battalion lol
A great mech game for me is Cyber Troopers: Virtual-On, at least the first, I still couldn't manage to play the rest of the series but the first one (avaliable for Saturn, PC and arcades) is really good, It's full 3D mech vs. mech battle action every second with multiple stages, very good music, destructible objects and a wide variety of mechs to choose from, casually I tried the game (and still play It sometimes) in a two-cabin arcade in a game zone near my house! And It's still there, I think I am a bit lucky for that. xD
Yes! That game came with a PC we bought when i was in high school, and i loved it. I've tried to get it on an emulator, but sadly i haven't found one that isn't buggy to hell. The graphics are dated, but still very fun to play.
My all-time favorite console mech game was the original Armored Core on the Playstation. I loved it so much that I bought a second copy, a second Playstation and a link cable so that my friends and I could play full-screen (unfortunately, full-screen didn't have some basic options, like "Stage Select").
I loved the ability to build a mech exactly how I wanted it, and the robot designs were all created by Shoji Kawamori (the guy who created the iconic Macross/Robotech VF-1 fighters). The gameplay, while a bit clunky still felt exciting, and figuring out what parts were needed for the next mission was a thrill.
Unfortunately, later games in the series were slow to adopt analog controls, and by the time they did they had ramped up the difficulty to the point where it was more tedious than fun (they added a bunch of new parts that were used to cool the mechs' weapon systems and engines, which wasn't needed in the first game, making the new mechs feel much weaker by comparison because warning lights were always going off), and consistently made the levels feel cramped and boxed in. By the time Armored Core 3 rolled around I had lost interest, and I actually hated Armored Core 4 because of its severe loading times, tiny levels, and obnoxious learning curve.
I haven't revisited the series since, but I'll always have fond memories of that first game.
I'm pretty sure For Answer fixes a good few problems that 4 had.
Nice touch having the Target Earth ending song as your video/review comes to a closure. I really love that game and to this day wish I could play the Saturn sequel.
Dat missing robot head though!
LOL
Great episode guys! Lots of games I didn't know about. Thanks!
Thank you for showing some love for Metal Storm. I'm not a big mech fan, by any stretch, but that was a very fun game that I rented a lot back in the day.
Keep doing what you're doing guys. Love it!!
There was an awesome Mech game I played growing up on the Genesis called "Ranger X". That game was awesome. The Mech had limited boost abilities and could merge with a motorcycle that looked like a bird. Great game. Never beat it though.
Also Omega Boost made by polyphony digital. Great game and I wish they would have made a sequel.
Another AMAZING EPISODE! Definitely mentioned some games I had never heard of which is awesome! Same great humor I have grown very fond of. I am still hoping you will do a DVD release soon with every episode! Maybe an Anniversary? With DVD extras YEAH!!!!
Cybernator: one of the least known but best SNES games.
Steel Battalion was epic! It was totally unforgiving, but epic.
You guys should cover Armored Core, it's probably the longest running mech series but also the least talked about. It does have a cult following, though. It's all about extremely deep customization and high-speed action.
I'm a huge anime head and a big game fan but I've never really been too fond of the mech genre but there was one game when I was younger that I vaguely remember. I believe it was called armored core or something, that was pretty cool if I remember correctly.