Give Me an Answer - Are You Being Open Minded And I'm Being Closed Minded?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ก.ค. 2024
- Program 2220 ...........................Faith and Evidence - Tolerance - One God/3 Persons - Time and Space........................................
The "Give Me An Answer" ministry began as an outgrowth of the dialogues Cliffe Knechtle has had with students on various university campuses throughout the United States. These universities include the University of Maine, Harvard, MIT, University of Florida, University of Texas, University of Wisconsin, University of Minnesota, University of California Los Angeles, University of California San Diego, Berkeley, Stanford, University of Hawaii and the University of Washington. Cliffe spoke on these campuses in front of the Student Union or Library at noon for five to ten minutes. At the close of his initial remarks, he'd open up the time for questions and answers, which usually turned into a two to four hour dialogue with students. His crowd size ranged from 25 - 500 students at a time, and between classes, new students would join the discussion. This is an extremely effective way to reach a large number of university students with the Gospel of Christ.
#Evidence #Christianity #Jesus #apologetics - บันเทิง
You know this man is bout to go off when he start squatting
😂😂 gotta love him
ikr lol
He’s about to lay the verbal biblical smack down 😂
@@maleinamaleina7169 frfr
FR bro
I am a scientist with a very very deep faith in Jesus Christ and the Lord who are one in the same.
Praise Yah
This guy in the suit is there solely for argument not learning.
Bill Nye would claim you're invalid as a scientist because of this
@@CornerstoneMinistry316 literally science is a field of study. A " scientist " or a " researcher " is someone who studies. What do you do when you're a " Christian " ? Study the Word. So no. The book helps one to understand the Most High, and the world around you and how to properly love them both.
I love how every "skeptic" enters the conversation the EXACT same way. Pretends they are being open-minded and "Just trying to understand 😊" attitude. However they quickly move into the position of patronizing, belittling, and scoffing with a smile on their face. You didn't come up because you were genuinely seeking truth. You just wanted to exercise your already held position in front of a crowd of people to flatter your ego.
Yep. They sure like to waste a lot of time on something they don’t believe is true. Kind of delusional.
@@ryley113
Yep! It’s beyond ironic as we are all on equal footing at the very least under subjectivism/relativism.
Yep!! It’s beyond absurd because..
Whether you are a moral subjectivist, materialist, atheist, philosophical naturalist, utilitarian or pragmatist. Wether you believe in Martin Luther King JR, Rosa Parks, John Henslow, William Wilberforce, Francis Bacon, Shakespeare, Charles Dickens and Michelle Besso’s great love for Jesus. Descartes, Aquinas, Augustine and Kant not to mention Dostoyevsky’s belief that Jesus was the embodiment of truth.
Wether your an atheist who believes that you can ground values such as morals and ethics or even ground science and logic itself in naive empiricism, naive realism, moral subjectivism or pragmatism, crystals, tarot cards or magical unicorns all are on equal footing. All have equal validity for the relativist.
They pride themselves on lots of words, but without the truth they only stand on sand.
These are great. Just discovered this earlier this week and I can listen to these forever. God bless all
Sameness
Well said brother😄
Same! Never gets old.
@Sabbath 7th day do not know where you are, but Amen to Truth and I sm here in Maine.
@@godislove363 and may the good Lord continue to bless you and your family Jacob, wherever you are in the world.
I dont know how Cliff has so much patience. That's something I have to work on.
You want the real answer? Holy spirit combined with practice and experience
Same here
Me, too. I get highly irritated when people mock God (not that He needs my help😊) so I need to work on keeping my temper in check- it isnt a Godly way of reacting, even if it is internally and it keeps me from being able to think clearly and answer arguments well.
We have to be all things to all men, and sometimes we have to be like a patient hearted parent to people.
Bro, I lost my patience ten times just listening to these people . Hats off to Cliff ❤❤😂😂
i was very confused about the first guy
I still am.
Basically he is saying that out understanding of God MUST be limited because of the nature of who we are and the nature of who God is. God is outside time, space, 500239409234023 dimensions etc. Therefore it is impossible with human understanding to KNOW and state with ABSOLUTE FACT things regarding God. That space between uncertainty and unknowability = faith. The guy basically has a problem with Cliffe because he is making exclusive statements that excludes under possibilities of knowing God or understanding God. He is also referring to Scriptural translations where Cliffe blindly says "Jesus said.." to make absolute statements, whereas the guy is saying "how do you know that for certain?". In all actuality, there is nothing absolutely that we know about God, a lot of it relies on faith, almost but not nearly what we call 'blind' faith or trust. (btw I'm a Christian, but I think Cliffe did a very poor job with the first guy)
Skepticism leads to irrationality, because he pretended to be a rational thinker first. It's a deceptivism rather than skepticism. a-Theists have made a religion being arrogant and deceitful rather than truthful.
It's rational to question why evidence doesn't prove the unprovable, no one would say otherwise. But Christ did make truth claims that do not simply relate to Himself being Truth. (ie the Olivet discourse.) All philosophers acclaim that it is the best speech ever made. Of course, Christ was the Greater Philosopher. but Rather being about Himself, He made it clear that God is unprovable and only that God is Good. Making the fact the morality exists, ethics, laws of humanness being more valuable than animalistic humanism, naturalism. He made it that way on purpose, God exists because we exist, not the other way around.
However, He did leave enough evidence to also disprove that Creation existed of its own interaction and random spontaneity. Evolution' is also ridiculously easy to refute. So the skeptic is ignorable at best, and they pretend they have the ability be pro-antagonist to prove Christians are the irrational individuals. It's hypocrisy of a fundamental construct.
Evidence points toward God, a-Theists can reject at their will at any time. Faith is the other meeting point for skepticism, I doubt they think most people are smart enough to figure that out. Balance ⚖️ of the anthropologic thought processees and the irrational degenerative skeptic.
Paul technically did not know God. We could also say the Apostles barely knew the Father, because Christ Himself stated, Only the Son knows the Father. Which made Him th Son of God, in which we can know.
But that isn't entirely true either to say the old prophets did not know God of their own free will. Yes God showed Himself, but He also desired us to fully trust Him regardless if they saw miracles, heard His voice etc. because, Hebrews states we have the Prophets, and such.
Cliff stated that he and Cliff have two different views of the word faith. His argument is about evidence negates faith. It’s either one or the other. But that’s not biblically accurate since we were told to have faith in the Father, not based on His existence but on His actions.
Moses had to lead the Israelites who saw with their own eyes what God did for them through miracles and they still lacked faith, so much so that He didn’t want them messing up His gift for those who didn’t lack faith. Evidence and faith can live right along side one another as their effects on one another are minimal. I’m only speaking from a biblical perspective and not a worldly one.
From his pointing out of "Jesus spoke a different language how can you be sure what you think he said is what he said?" Like his other illogical arguments, are simply, "The fact of the matter is, people who spoke and read both languages translated them to English." If his point was to say, "Well words we use today they may not of had back then so we dont get the literal exact phrasing because it doesnt exist in our terms." Which is still semantics. If I say 'a' instead of '1' or 'the' and such, it doesnt change anything. We can still grasp the concept of 'a' by using the term '1' or 'the' :P He was totally illogical in his whole concept of reality and world views IMO.
The Jordan Peterson of Christianity
Found this on TikTok and fell in love with these videos
What his tik tok
why is this on tik tok tho
@@trijetz3562 why not
@@laDbugx fair point
Tik Tok sent me here and so glad it did. Thank you for this !
what was on tik tok that lead you to this?
Same.
@@trijetz3562 short clips of these TH-cam videos
Love this channel...I need a lot of prayer I'm a backsliding Christian and I haven't felt this lonely since I gave my life to Jesus please pray for me to find my self back to my Lord my God Jesus Christ 😢
🙏 🙏
@4evagreat how are you doing? Did you find your way back to Jesus?
I literally watch 5 of these a day
Cliffe, I like your courage. Keep on, brother. Don't stop.
These were extremely difficult conversations ...so wonderfully handled....longsuferring ✝️🙏
Praise Jesus Christ
@Sabbath 7th day
I see you are relying on your works to be sealed by God and Sunday worship is not scriptural and replacing the Saturday Sabbath.?
In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
Ephesians 1:13-14 KJV
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Ephesians 2:8-9 KJV
For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Romans 4:3-5 KJV
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Galatians 2:16 KJV
The first Christians celebrated every Sunday breaking bread and fellowshiping not on Saturday according to scripture .....Sunday is not a new Sabbath day....Jesus is our Sabbath according to Hebrews .
For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
Hebrews 4:2-10 KJV
And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
Acts 20:7 KJV
Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.
1 Corinthians 16:2 KJV
The mark of the beast is not Sunday Sabbath worship or following the law its receiving the mark on right hand or forehead and worshipping the beast.
@Sabbath 7th day you need to study the book of Galatians and Hebrews
@@one4jesus898 no, works is not involved you are judging the heart. Our Devotion to God out of Love is what we do. God is very clear from Gennisis to Revelation both the Sabbath was and is instituted by God and is in the heart of us and the Ten Commandments as well as we are all His Children and as The Bible foretold the Jews did not bring the message to the world and The Cross was and is for all of us as Gid knew with the war in Heaven.
@Sabbath 7th day i left him a reply defending truth.
@Sabbath 7th day yes and worldwide it will be enforced, remain strong and vigilante.
Woah just realized these videos are at least a decade old.
Really?
Look at their clothing
Ikr! And still relevant today!
Yep
The sun is the oldest thing known but I love it.
When they go to the translation argument, you know right then they have no argument. This guy realized quicker than most.
“I don’t understand how to converse with that tree.” Bruh, if you don’t know by now that trees don’t converse, what have you been doing with your life?
He overthinks too much
@@JoeMama-sd2kl
“Overthinks too much”
Well said totally agree with you!! You hit the nail right on the head. This is the inevitable result of relativism, nihilism and fatalism because there is no absolute ontological ground of reality and objective morality. It leads to gibberish. It’s insane and leads to conversations with “trees”.
And they mock other people’s beliefs!!
“Poetry is sane because it floats easily in an infinite sea; reason seeks to cross the infinite sea, and so make it finite. The result is mental exhaustion
To accept everything is an exercise, to understand everything a strain. The poet only desires exaltation and expansion, a world to stretch himself in. The poet only asks to get his head into the heavens. It is the logician who seeks to get the heavens into his head. And it is his head that splits.” (GK Chesterton).
I would really like to see more of the entirety of conversations. I really enjoy this type of conversation!
I found them on TikTok and they're my favorite now
Me too
4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me. (Psalm 23:4 ESV)
AMEN.
Isaiah 45 7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Do not listen to Jason, he is a nasty troll who lies and abuses science and scripture and truth in general.
Deuteronomy 22:28-29
If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
@@jasonnoble7814 and so your contextual abuse continues.
The guy at 22:45 doesnt get it. There is no conflict between science and god. Its a conflict between philosophical schools. Science explains how what is and god explains why. xD
Scientism is it's own religion entirely. Originally crafted out the catholic church, was made to discredit the Bible. The plan was labeled 'learning against learning', the had roman mathematician Nicolas Copernicus write "De revolutionibus orbium cœlestium" against his will on his death bed. Which stated the Earth revolves around the sun, thus beginning the religion of scientism. But science in itself it not bad, just has been weaponized against the Bible and Christianity.
Yeah he's definitely not picking up what the man's putting down
@@YeshuaMyGod Science is not a religion and never has been.
You literally are incorrect. There is a problem between science and god. Its that science in no way supports god or the ecistence of gods and yet people still try to use science to assert their deities, even when those deities directly contradict supported scientific standings.
Science is the study of how God operates. So no contradiction will ever be found.
"I don't know how to converse with a tree." 😂
"If you know, please teach me."
Cliffe, you killed me. 💀
God bless you, sir! Keep up the great work.
God bless from Australia! 🙏🇦🇺
Which “God” ?
@@jasonnoble7814 Jesus Christ.
@@maxINaus
How do you know Jesus Christ exists?
@@jasonnoble7814 To the best of my ability to perceive reality, I'm convinced Jesus exists and is the truth because of His historical resurrection from the dead, which fulfilled the old testament, completed 500 years before.
His words and teachings, which are the entire bible, best gel with my experience of life.
@@maxINaus
Do you use the same method to believe in Jesus Christ as other people use to believe in other Gods?
Eg: Allah, Ra, Thor, Vishnu, Oden, etc ?
Thanks again. I'm here in North Chesterfield Virginia. Enjoy your videos. Love you man take care
He really tries to listen to everybody, he really respects them, sadly he doesn't receive it back most of the time
Well maybe if Cliffe was willing to be open minded then that wouldnt be an issue. And before you say he is open minded, Cliffe has made it clear that nothing will change his mind.
@@carlosbecerril3317 Why change your mind when you have the truth on your side?
@@douglasmcnay644 that right there is literally what we atheists are saying and yet you call us close minded.
@@carlosbecerril3317 Funny how people who are willing to believe in not just a physical, observable world but also a spiritual world are called "closed minded" while atheists proclaim there is nothing but the physical world.
@@douglasmcnay644 you're called closed minded because you refuse to accept that such things may not exist, despite having no good evidence to support your claims. Where as we are willing to accept your claims should proper evidence arise, despite having evidence to support our claims. You are called closed minded because by and large you are usually the ones saying you know and that nothing will change your mind. You are not called closed minded on the basis of having the belief.
Cliffe, you are really working sincerely very hard for God allowing many to know and commutate with Him. Praise the Lord. Amen.
I love how Cliffe explains his thoughts!
Some arguments are extremely completed for my poor brain.
But I know Jesus personally, He is simple and He saved me from death. I love my Jesus Amen.🙏
askcliffe stop impersonating people pal
I will watch and comment tomorrow.
cool
Ive been binge watching all these!
There are so many videos that shows how many people nowadays do not know neither have an idea what they believe in life. They themselves are confused as to who and what to believe and unfortunately, since most people are filled with laziness and wants easy way and comfortable life that most of the time they tend to turn to famous, eloquent, smart people and believe what they say.
Being skeptic is good but not extreme skepticism which leads to atheism or agnosticism.
The gift of Eternal Life.
I love this guy. He never gets tired of talking with reprobates.
found this channel from tik tok, love it
Thank you!
God Bless 🙌
ARES 🙌
Some people don’t want answers they want arguments
Open-minded if not always mean that everything heard must be agreed with. Trust me Lite respectful and listening to the other person and to understand the telling you and then logically, soundly, look it over, study it, ponder on it, pray on it, to see if it's something you should consider.
My head explodes when I listen to these people debate Cliff.
The first guy was all over the place. He needs to sit down and organize his jumbled thoughts before presents them in public.
Pastor Cliffe Is A Good Teacher In The Holy Word Of God ?
He's very average.
@@James-ne8hr
“Average”
“What can be claimed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence”. Sorry (stone Fallacy).
My friends on Tiktok indeed brought me here. Man, I can’t tell if I like the way this guy converses or not. It’s it’s, I don’t know
"Culture defines your belief"
Socialization works on your belief to remove things your society believes or disbelieves.
If you become a product of your environment, it's because forces outside yourself have been manipulating.
You could say, from a young age you have been taught and told the things you currently believe.
In order to change to what you ultimately believe, you need to alter your environment. You need to open yourself to taking in the excluded information at an age whare you can accept or reject what you can reason to be your adjusted belief.
If you stay in your parents created environment, you limit yourself.
If you go out and create your education and faith on your own you will look for other people who have success with their belief and their environment. When you meet someone like Cliffe, he may challenge your current set of beliefs and proofs. He may share his set of beliefs and try to share the evidence that exists but many young people dismiss without actually listening or considering.
If Cliffe can get a sentence completed without interruption, that is. Organized Perochial education does not allow all these interruptions or attacks by young people reciting atheist doctrines they appear to have been taught.
Secular education seems to be teaching that point of view. Its evidenced by the organized sound bytes of disbelief.
Cliffe shares alot of information he can prove and the crowd quiets down. They may be listening. They may be considering, or they may be calculating.
Will they ever accept scripture as God's Word? Will they continue to say the testimony is a fabrication?
Who can save us from ourselves?
Jesus Christ.
If students consider living out the views expressed by students here, they will find they want to change it when it comes to starting a family. They will try to create a safer social environment for their family much as their parents did for them.
The truth of the bible had been compared to the places that exist. The evidence is being dug up. You have to search it out and find that it is there. The archaeologists and ministries thereof need funding to bring you the evidence. They are not huge manipulative technological and politically minded companies with deep pockets who control and manipulate your social environment or constantly interrupt.
The ministries don't try to own you.
They share their finds and compare to what is known. If you haven't read and studied the bible then you may not understand why these are considered treasured artifacts.
You may not see or grasp the events that occurred even if you stood in the area where Moses brought forth water from a huge stone that looks split open.
Or the clumps of sulfur all around as you found the sites of Sodom and Gomorrah.
We do really meet extremely difficult people who were raised up in an unbelieving enviroment while they were very young growing up !
Thanks one of your video helped me know who Christ really is. Now everything made sense, I don't know about the stuff you talk about most of the time but I sincerely thank you for saying "Jesus is not fully God but he is God" to the Muslim guy, its revealing to me.
@@thechosen2545 lol
It seems strange to me that some people can say that they believe in something without demanding evidence of its validity, like the 1st guy. If it is something that concerns my eternity, I would certainly want to make sure that I have tonnes of evidence before I plunge in. Christianity ticks all the boxes - it is historically accurate, all its prophecies are fulfilled to the dot, and the soundness of its doctrines brings peace to the soul.
Cliffe got nerves and patience of steel to deal with these people! 😂
However for those who cannot understand or appreciate the reliability of supernatural faith,
We direct them to the evidence of what is before them, that we call creation.
But our faith is not entirely derived from the evidence of creation, although it confirms it, but instead it’s a gift from God.
And how can one understand the gift of faith from God if they’ve never received it.
"Faith is believing what -you know to be- _sound reasoning would conclude is_ a lie."
@J L
We observe nothing to sustain faith claims and thus the supposed targets of faith are reasonably false.
I love these interactions and mostly I’m able to understand the intellectual context. This one however - from the student - I found to be gibberish. Was it just me? 🤷🏻♂️
No.
No!
“The Christian admits that the universe is manifold and even miscellaneous, just as a sane man knows that he is complex. The sane man knows that he has a touch of the beast, a touch of the devil, a touch of the saint, a touch of the citizen. The really sane man knows that he has a touch of the madman. But the materialist's world is quite simple and solid, just as the madman is quite sure he is sane. The materialist is sure that history has been simply and solely a chain of causation, just as the interesting person before mentioned is quite sure that he is simply and solely a chicken. Materialists and madmen never have doubts.” (G.K. Chesterton).
Truth is a person ,the man Jesus, we have the Spirit of Ultimate Truth.
20:00 thats good preaching
These children have never heard the Gospel, and at the end of their conversations with Cliffe they have still not heard it.
Funny about the tree conversation
Good arguments the 1st guy proposed. Not so much on his views but his view on the attitude of host. In order to exchange views , it is human capacity to shout and over power one another in voice and intonation. If God is present , less then a single word will alighten us. Humans can talk all day and prove nothing, what are we proving or trying to? The power of God or his existence. People who talk science on the video got no clue how much humans are limited in knowledge of science as we are not even able to transient into space travel and manuiplate time and material. People who speaks God, has no clue what God has in plan neither , how can you understand what another superior being wants or needs ? Like what the host said he doesn't know what a dog wants.. In God case , we are the dogs, don't go tell people God gives you eternal life when you are not God(only God knows who he will allow). GOD will tell you personally or individually as it is a personal relationship. In short , humans are limited in capacity to tell the truth as we have no clue and no tools. We have evidence on both sides of the aisle, but even if you bare witness you cannot show definite evidence of the truth. Hence the conversation falls into faith, trust believe because so and so.
The truth can and will review itself , probably in a more direct nature as God relationship is personally to you(LOVE). Why would we trust meidums like humans to bring the truth to us? As humans are bounded by our capacity of sins and will manuiplate the truth.
This is my personal view point, the route to God is Love. LOVE is the larger picture that God painted designed for us to understand. What is Love ? Love = Sacrifice .
What can we sacrifice? (Time) To give a part of ourselves willingly without pride and asking for returns. Would you prefer to enjoy your xbox shopping or tv time human desires or spend that Time helping someone else say your old grandma, a special needs child . Or someone that requires more help then you. As humans length of our reach is limited, try to help those you can touch. It is bounded by fate and time . You don't get to choose where and when . God invisible hands pushes us forward, irregardless of you knowing or not knowing. With the limited time given , learn to love and try to see the truth. That's the purpose .
Cliffe!!!
Believers have great faith. And for this believer my faith is a greater evidence than the evidence of creation itself.
But my faith is a gift from God. It is supernatural faith.
Therefore how can an unbeliever even begin to understand this faith.
Truth is by definition exclusive. Our culture wont accept that fact.
They try to trap Cliffe... Cliffe already been preaching while they are still starting to work... ✝️🙏💞✌
I guess the first man don't understand evidence or anything to do with faith. I pray that the almighty God open his mind ,heart and soul . Im sure he's trying to understand but having a difficult time of it .
What evidence does a person using faith have?
@@heathenthatheretic5960 having faith In Christ builds a relationship and as proven fact by many whom built that faith their lives were for the better, their trust in matters of their lives strengthened and miracles do happen certain kinds are less common but many do and I am a witness to it as well as one has been a receiver of miracles.
@@godislove363 faith is not evidence but it does lead you to gullibility. But I’ll play your game. Can’t I have a relationship with just about any and every god man has worshipped using faith?
Also if you don’t mind me asking. What was your “miracles” and how did you rule out all other possibilities
@@heathenthatheretic5960 good questions. First answer is NO, there are many false God that are truely imagined but only one true God. Just as you can pretend having wives when there are none or 3 wives when really only one. Next answer is I have actually heard God a few times. Yes not mine. No not on drugs etc... is was always the same voice and has been only a loving voice and not telling me to kill or hurt others or myself for example.
As for miracles.
1.I was born against astronomical odds. I was supposed to be a vegetable and not make my teen years. Before you say better technology etc, no, I was born when there was no dr. Or man made help. They wanted to abort me in the 60's my mom told the doctors to go to hell. She is of great faith in God and her prayer in trust in God gave me the ability to beat the odds. I was almost run down more than once and each of the times the car under natural physics were too close to avoid me, yet they did.
3. My wife and I had no money, keys were locked in the car with noone around, while calming my wife and praying a man walked up to us 20$ the exact amount we would need for the locksmith. When I was going to thank him, he was gone. No, there was no one insight before or after, no car driving off. The vehicles not hitting me or the man and 20$ are just a few examples.
@@godislove363 and you’re saying there is only one “true god” and all other are false based on what evidence sir? Because if I talked to those who still believe in the Norse gods they would say their god is true. Those who believe in the Hindu gods will also say that you are wrong about their beliefs and that their gods are real?
You compared their beliefs to pretending in having wives. That’s an dishonest approach to this and a denial of others who believe of other religions. So basically you hold a biased view as if only your particular religion is based on facts (which it is not) while others are just pretending as if these ppl don’t actually believe in what they claim.
So, a voice that was always the same and based solely on it feeling soft and loving that your god must be real. Wow that’s what most ppl say about their gods as well. Also that is in no way evidence of anything other than what you felt. That’s called weak evidence because you can’t prove it to anyone else other than yourself which that is the standard and bases to All religious believes and not just yours.
But How did you determine that you weren’t suffering from verbal hallucinations , mental issues or even aliens messing with your mind?
The man with the backpack is absolutely right. The other man is close minded. Be carefull to spread a wrong belief sir. This man was very sincere.
I love these vids but this music in the intro is so old sounding 😂
The flippant laughter when the man brought up talking with a tree is telling -"Talking to a tree is irrational." Whatever made the audience laugh flippantly is the same reason some laugh at Christianity.
The faith comes in when one believes that Christ died for YOUR sins and was raised for YOUR justification.
The first guy should define
Faith, Evidence &Miracle etc.
The miracles that the bible's present are one-off events. It doesn't happen all the time. That what the bible means when it uses the word miracles.
If truth is objective, then faith should have a substance.
Language and Converstation is n out possible without Laws of Logic.
The first kid is confused about his philosophical presuppositions.
I discovered pastor Knechtle a couple days ago and I've been binging all these videos, but I do think him and Frank Turek sometimes go little too hard on people. At least their intensity is I think counterproductive with some types of less militant people. I guess it happens when you're used to brutal questionings, but I don't know... I think it might put off more gentle folk.
Heaven and Hell are rational concepts when you are able to conceive the consequences of good and evil in the present. God is rational to conceive when you can grasp the concept of your own being and through gradations what the supreme being would be.
@@thechosen2545 So God wants me to send money to Nigeria? I don't have enough evidence that this is not a scam, a con, or a lie. If it is a lie, the scriptures say liars don't inherit God's kingdom. You have enough of a rational mind to create this scam and are a person created in the image of God so you too know that the scriptures are reliable and you should follow them instead of worldly cares to steal money through scams.
i think the first person knew the general idea of what his point was, but that he wasnt sure what he was asking.
This young man argues because he chooses not to accept what he's being told. Fair enough. But when every argument that he brings up fails, he tries to blame cliffe and moves on to the next argument. You cannot reason with an unreasonable person. I have studied Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, New age, T.M.,and most every faith, cult and supernatural phenomenon you can imagine. And every time I have asked reasonable questions and listened respectfully. Learning what i can and applying wisdom each time. This has been a great learning process for me because I wanted to actively learn from others. But the claims of Christ have proven themselves far greater than any other truth claim I have heard in my 57 years. I've never found anything more convincing and compelling, even when looking at the sciences or the supernatural. If truth exists, then I want to know it. We all live by faith. It's just that many of us never choose to test what we put our faith in. I challenge you all to test your belief systems rigorously. I believe your lives depend on it. Think for yourselves and test the authority if people's truth claims.
I think the coat guy, is a lawyer..hehehe 😉✌
When were these filmed? Seems like early 2000s - 2010s? I could be completely wrong but i'm just wondering
@@thechosen2545 this guy is a scam don't fall for it
If you would only believe. The problem of reasoning and dialogue is not understanding it’s getting over self. That’s why Jesus said deny yourself pick up your cross and follow me!
That's Right We Christians Don't Know Everything About God No One Does ?
@Sabbath 7th day you are right but becoming robotic.
If priests where like this I'd love church
Hi Ryan. All saints are priests, and all saints are similar. The professing Christians who are not Holy and do not obey His voice are unrighteous hypocrites, fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, effeminate, sodomites, thieves, covetous, drunkards, revilers, extortioners, fearful, unbelieving, abominable, whoremongers, murderers, dogs, sorcerers, and liars; and their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death. Praise be to the King Christ, who is the giver of Wisdom and Life and Truth. Amen. Best, Robert LearnChristianity.org
@kelvin martinez well I've never encountered one, of been givin the chance to talk to one
@kelvin martinez not to my knowledge
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Yeah cliff is more specific when he is going to explain something to someone
There is a measurable difference between faith, belief, and knowledge.
Faith - Faith is a hope for things which are not seen which are true. When we enter into the idea that Christ is the savior of mankind, we first have to have faith in this concept. We have to find faith in Christ. We have to have a hope that what we are taught and what we feel is true. This starts us on the path to eternal life.
Belief - Belief in Christ happens when we have had faith in and have learned of Christ to the point where we have accepted him as our savior. We have accepted what the scriptures say is true and have begun the journey of becoming more like him.
Knowledge - Knowledge happens when we have some sort of revelation or vision or evidence of that which we have believed in. Seeing an angel, seeing a miracle, seeing the Son of Man in the flesh, these things cause us to know. It is at that point that we no longer need faith or belief anymore because we would know.
On our journey, we may encounter many different degrees of faith, belief, and knowledge; some things we know, some things we believe, and some things we have to take on faith.
Faith = believing something with no evidence. Any old nonsense can be believed on faith.
Belief = a thought that could be proved or disproved by evidence
Knowledge = understandings of things that have been proved to be true by evidence. Seeing a miracle does not count.
@@DennisMerwood-xk8wp Obviously everyone has their own interpretation and understanding of what's true and what isn't. You seem like someone who won't believe or have faith until he has evidence, and believe me I understand. I've gone through times in my life where I told myself I wouldn't believe until I saw concrete evidence. It was during those times that life was very dark and bitter for me. What I left out from my original statement above is that there is some degree of choice. I choose to have faith, and I choose to believe. Since my conscious choice, my life has been happier, more optimistic, and I have been a much better person because of it. Until I receive more, I'm content with what I have.
@@TheBeardedSandman The scriptures state that
The just shall live by faith:
And that although faith starts tiny it grows great
If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed.
@@TheBeardedSandman But if we will remember that our faith, that began small as a mustard seed, but now has grown, although in the beginning it was much greater than the faith we previously didn’t have,
Then we will understand those who are without faith,
As their understanding is based upon the same faith we did not have, therefore how can they know.
Hence they argue and fuss and fight on this subject of faith of which they have no knowledge.
@@TheBeardedSandman With the growth of our faith from the tiny mustard seed into the great tree, we now see that its more evidence of God’s existence, perhaps even in a greater way than the evidence of creation itself.
But this faith that we have is to be understood not by those who have it not.
But nevertheless we patiently entreat them to consider the world around us and all its beauties and complexities as more than sufficient evidence of the creator’s existence.
Romans 1:20
King James Version
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
the coat guy is in the wrong place to debate. he needs an atheist classroom to teach. ✌
the first guy, is he listening to himself? And he is so confuse... 🙏🙏
its like this every human has a conscience knowing right against wrong like killing a humans wrong naturally for every human so even if u were born in Afghanistan and in isis with terrorists u still know killing is bad but u can do it because also society promotes it or reject it and listen to u conscience as its bad
I just wish people would stop trying so hard to be intellectual, stop trying to use big words that make them sound important and listen to what this guy is saying.
I have noticed theist say “we can not know everything about God”,unless he opens up and reveals it to us. With that in mind when we really stop and think about it if we can only know what is revealed to us, than how on earth did we get the trinity doctrine? It has a lot of information that hasn’t been revealed it was debated and decided by counsels, but not of it self found within the religious text so it wasn’t revealed.
It is found in the Old AND New Testaments. More specifically and elaborately in the New Testament writings. We find in Scripture that there is only ONE GOD. We see in Scripture that the Father is God, The Son(Jesus) is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. The word “trinity” or “godhead” does not appear in any of the texts. It is a word that the early church fathers used to describe who God fully is based on how God revealed Himself to us. Jesus, based on how He lived, the miracles He did, and His death and Resurrection, proved what He taught and what He claimed was TRUTH. The trinity is not a made up description of God, it is simply our best attempt at explaining who God revealed Himself to be.
A miracle can be defined as an event that is beyond the natural, unlike breathing, and birth. What I think makes a miracle is something that occurs beyond the natural laws.
Tolstoy like Bob Cratchit struggled with his faith until he was met Tiny Tim and the fear of God became a reality. Interesting the story of the Christmas Carol could have been written for Tolstoy searching for his truth and finding it in the peasants.
I don’t think that first guy knew what he was even talking about
Jesus has 2 natures. Man and God.
I recommend that you join the historical Church that the apostles established (Orthodoxy, which means true teaching), the Church which holds to all of the Ecumenical Councils in history (The book of Acts sets the stage for Councils, the council of jerusalem which was held by St James). Many of the Churches which Paul wrote to in the NT such as Corinth, Philipia, Thessalonica, Ephesus, etc still exist today and have bishops governing them. Have you read Titus? Or Timothy? Paul ordained bishops to govern different areas. Which people dogmatized and explained the trinity? The cappadocian fathers such as St Basil, St Gregory Nyssa and St Gregory Nazianzus. Saint Athanasius was important too. These Saints and Councils also determined what the canon of scripture would be. (The canon being the books chosen for the NT). So the Canon of Scripture was chosen by men who were bishops, and a part of this Church, yet you reject this Church? The Canon also wasnt fully established until the 5th/6th century, so there goes Sola Scriptura... I could go on for hours and hours, even about issues such as the filioque added to the creed, which protestants and roman catholics believe, this makes the Holy Spirit subordinate to the Father and the Son. I could talk about absolute divine simplicity, how Catholics and Protestants believe, meaning God's essence and energies are in one, meaning if God's essence is eternal, this means his actions/energies are also eternal, meaning creation is eternal? Meaning God is required to eternally create? This is straight up platonism and origenism. Origen has been condemned over 15 times by 3 different Ecumenical Councils?? Protestants are just bringing back ancient heresies like Gnosticism, Origenism, Nestorianism etc. I urge you to seriously study Church History, read the Acts and Canons of the Ecumenical Councils (preferebly under the guidance of an Orthodox Priest, as this stuff can be complex), and i recommend you to read the lives of the Saints and their writings. A good start would be 1st and 2nd century Saints who knew the Apostles such as St Ignatius, St Irenaeus, St Justin Martyr and St Polycarp. Then i would read St Athanasius, St Basil, St John of Damascus, St Cyril of Jerusalem, or i would probably recommend you read the works of modern Saints who lived in our times such as St Justin Popovic, St Paisios, St Theophan the Recluse, St Seraphim Rose etc. Read about their lives and read their theological works. Also check out this playlist which has literally everything you need to learn about the errors of Protestantism, Catholicism, and why Orthodoxy holds the true doctrine of all the Councils and is the True Church established by Christ that he promised would never fall to the gates of Hell. - th-cam.com/play/PLG8ujnM0COm6TzQc8YwjQzYEizTOX4bkC.html God Bless
@Edmond Dantes No, the Trinity is ONE essence with 3 hypostasis / persons. The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Think of the Father as the powerhouse, this is called the Monarchy of the Father, the Son is eternally begetted from the Father, and the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father alone (not from the Son, as the original Nicene Creed from the Council of Nicea stated, and as all the cappadocian Fathers such as St Basil stated). The Son (Jesus) has 2 natures, a Human and a Divine Nature. This is called dyophysitism, monophysites say Christ has one nature, a human and divine nature meshed into one. This causes theological errors. This is the belief of the Oriental Orthodox schismatics who rejected the Ecumenical Council of Chalcedon. God bless
This student is in my opinion is speaking from the point of view of others not thinking or researching for himsrlf.
People have a tendency to research things they believe to be true. I'm happy to include myself in that. It's human nature.
Yeaaa, it's fairly disingenuous to claim that you have "questions" or "doubts" without ever looking for answers to those.
@@JeezyF Absolutely right.
@@JeezyF I have a ton of doubts Frenchy, how do you go about proving a claim is fact and not fiction. I've been asking you Christians for solid evidence of a supernatural occurrence for a decade or so now, I've asked well known Christians who've written books on the subject, they can't give me any solid evidence. Take any one of the miracles provided in the New Testament, pick any one ... how do you know with certainty that it actually happened? .. someone making a claim in a book, is not good evidence
Faith is a strong belief in a god or in doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.
Praise JESUS the KING of kings and LORD of lords.
@@thechosen2545 OK ... I just sent $10,500 to your nigerian bank account. So now will you pray for me like you said you would ?.
Can you please pray that i wont ever get scammed by some low-life fraudster trying to rob me of money over the internet. That would be great... I really need your prayers right now.
Thanks again ✌😀.
@@GraftedOliveBranch i see what happened here. Lol
spirit of truth vs spirit of error spirit of truth vs spirit of error
what was the first guy on about?
He was speaking straight facts.
Cliff wrecked him
Basically he is saying that out understanding of God MUST be limited because of the nature of who we are and the nature of who God is. God is outside time, space, 500239409234023 dimensions etc. Therefore it is impossible with human understanding to KNOW and state with ABSOLUTE FACT things regarding God. That space between uncertainty and unknowability = faith. The guy basically has a problem with Cliffe because he is making exclusive statements that excludes under possibilities of knowing God or understanding God. He is also referring to Scriptural translations where Cliffe blindly says "Jesus said.." to make absolute statements, whereas the guy is saying "how do you know that for certain?". In all actuality, there is nothing absolutely that we know about God, a lot of it relies on faith, almost but not nearly what we call 'blind' faith or trust. (btw I'm a Christian, but I think Cliffe did a very poor job with the first guy)
He was trying to pick apart the idea of God and why it could be faulty but didn't have an alternative outlook so he was back peddling so hard he pulled a hamstring, was backed into a corner, got exposed, then got irritated and the real convo ended bc he went from having a convo to trying to win the crowd and a debate. (which he was equipped to do neither)
4th dimension is time. Yes.
I don't see why people think science and religion can't go hand in hand. The same way the human body is a vessel for the soul, physical phenomenons are the vessel for God's work and creation.
The Bible has many lessons in stories, hyperbolic, etc. As a way of conveying messages in ways humans can understand and grasp, especially at the time of Jesus Christ. For God to give a scientifically accurate description of the way Earth, etc. Was formed and made would not make sense logically.
God loves to plant things and watch them grow, even evolution, is like a plant and necessary in a world of chaos to given humans the advantages needed and God gets to watch us grow. Time is also relative, God says he created the Earth and Heavens in a matter of days, but who is to say a day for God isn't a million years for a human?
I mean the Big Bang Thoery literally says nothing came from nothing and exploded outwards at an outrageous speed. I don't know. If God does exist, he is all knowing, look at you, you are his creation, you don't think science is his paint brush?
I'm sorry but I had to chuckle at the gentleman who said that Jesus wasn't supernatural because he couldn't move back in time. I'm sorry but is literally rising from the dead and raising others from the dead not constitute supernatural abilities? Lol
Maybe you should bring some chocolate reasons and hand them out that way their negative attitude fades away cause by your will have won the crowd, everyone gets onto the same page. Most people have been raised dormant and they need to feel excepted win the crowd.
Dear Cliff,
I think this is the way you should handle this type of question/statement.
You might not like it but I beseech you to wait until you’ve read it all before you fully make up your mind.
I think you should agree, at least initially, with someone who says that we are Christians because of being brought up in a Christian culture;
Compared to being in the heart of the Amazon jungle or part of that very pro Islamic world.
Yes Christianity is making great strides in places like China,
but essentially when they say our Christian culture is largely responsible for us becoming Christians, they are making a verifiable truth statement.
Our culture has played a part.
If we were from a native tribe in the middle of the Amazon jungle the chances of us becoming Christians are much less likely aren’t they.
But I would go on to say that the bible says that all those who become Christians are actually predestined by God to do so, and therefore it’s going to happen one way or another.
However we don’t know who is and who isn’t predestined, until they finally show their true colours.Therefore we just sow the seed.
Nobody thought Paul the apostle was predestined when he was persecuting the church.
I would go on to say that as God is just and fair He is predestinating on the basis of need. He needs to. If He doesn’t no one will be saved.
If God doesn’t predestine none will be saved otherwise why is He doing it.
Hence the reason for predestination which is an orchestrated life by God that ultimately will result in repentance.
And God has the licence to do this in Satan’s world which He obtained by being the lamb of God sacrificed for the sins of the world, to initiate this rescue operation, that has been pre planned since the beginning of the world.
I would say that God wants everyone to be saved just as He wanted to not drown them all with the flood, except for the 8,
But He can only save those who want to be saved.
It was too late when the flood came. Yeah sure they would have all jumped on board the ark but there wouldn’t have been a change of heart, although they’d have been very pleased they didn’t drown.
God predestinates these ones that have unbeknownst to themselves a deep propensity to serve God, and it’s these ones that God has predestined.
And as God had to give the world a chance before He finally drowned them all,
Who were previously laughing and mocking the righteous family of 8 who escaped the flood on the ark, Which God told Noah to build,
He also is doing the same thing today.
He is showing them what they are doing with their chance.
But today, as was in Noah’s day He is also giving everyone a chance to repent even though He knows who will and who won’t.
But as God knew before creating mankind that He would destroy them all in the flood except for those on the ark,
He also knew before creating us which ones would join forces with Him and which ones won’t.
But as He needed to save the righteous 8 with an ark He also needs to save us with an ark which we can call predestination, which finally culminates in Jesus Christ’s return to rescue us.
But the
antediluvian world had gone so bad, God could not get descendants from them who could become righteous.
And therefore as his ultimate plan for man could not be fulfilled He had to destroy them.
I’d tell them that God plan for man is to change them from human beings into sons and daughters of God who live forever. I’d tell them there is no plan B.
I’d tell them it’s either plan A or zip. And as He had to destroy with the flood, eventually He has to destroy with hell.
I think it’s very important to tell people like it is.
They might all get up and storm out but that’s ok, take up golf or go fishing.
Here is my video on predestination. Check it out. Take it seriously.
th-cam.com/video/7Qc4IyNiPZI/w-d-xo.html
Go check out his sermons as pastor of grace community church new Canaan
I'd like to see cliff answer the question, what is the difference between "Faith" & "Religion"
That is easy.
Goodnight all.
You have faith in certain ideas and certain people, don’t you?
@@Certaintyexists888 Well I personally belive that "Faith" is absolute believe with no evidence or proof. I would also describe "Faith" as a philosophy more than a "Religion". I belive "Religion" to be described as "Human Kind" understanding that takes law and physical evidence to help support claims of GOD.
When I was studying philosophy I came to the idea that "if I think there for I am" how could I "Be" (described as self conscious of my existence) and if there was "Me" there was the possibility that there might be more then just my own existence.
Even when I looked at the physical reality of the universe I also questioned if what we can feel, taste, & smell was truly realistic or some sort of simulation.
If you listen to people talk about the big bang you'll hear them say our math makes no sense befor "The Cause" of the big bang.
So in my theory of understanding, is it possible to belive that having Faith in GOD is in understanding that GOD Made the "Big bang" which in turn made the path for him in creating us,
In philosophy something could possibly be true even if it dosent make sense to us on any possible scale. The big bang needed a cause (most likely) and that cause could be GOD,
In the Bible it says, 2 Chronicles 20:20. "Have faith in the LORD your GOD and you will be upheld"
GOD also says "He is the Alpha Omega the beginning and the end"
When it's time it's possible that God will save us from some type of end, as long as we keep "Faith" in "HIM"
@@BUSTEDDVD Religeon us an organized practice of your faith. Christ though is not a religion, he is God whom we have a personal relationship. The practices liturgical or otherwise and doctrines is what is developed around that relationship if not intended by God and instead made by man is not acceptable.
The floor in the arguement of the young man being a sinick. Is how can he know what he was saying is true. If you apply the claim to
the first guy had a interesting point but just backpaddled the whole time
Yep! And Cliff saw it coming as he’s seen this appeal to intellectualism used a thousand times before and the guy confirmed it by talking about having conversations with “trees”. The ultimate in over thinking and procrastination. You meet these people all the time they can talk the talk but then they start wanting to discuss having conversations with “trees” instead of real people, instead of just getting on with helping create a better world for everyone. It’s the inevitable conclusion of the belief that accidental, blind, mindless, meaningless “matter” is our creator.
(Bible says, God comes by the truth of your heart is your crown)means/corona, we are the word of God and our actions are the signs of word, welcome to the corona/tion. Each sentence in the Bible is a sentence from order and each sentence is a year sentence as (1 in the beginning was the word) and (2 the word was with God) and (3 the word was God) (4 and the corona/crown has placed us as word six feet of firmament from each other. Truth of word flows eternally forward as the distortion of truth is number, numb/cold power numb/ber. The multitudes are being taken back from death/darkness as legion is many took everything from all the word. The light in the darkness is this grain of earth within this universal body and it is protecting all of life as you have a Galactic cell out there and this Galactic cell we are in right now is the body of Christ, you live the body of Christ within Omega as you have all word/will of creation upon you within each cell is a throne for all word of creation, you have your will/word of creation upon equal me/a/sure, you are a universal body, when this is over you will be shown all your action and consequence upon your Galactic realm and when trust is earnt you will claim your universal body again within this multiverse. (universe/unity of verse/unity of word. I wrote a book it is all over the world and the more I try to announce it the more I am shut down. The book is, The last shall be the first and the first shall be the last by Joseph Darrell Walker. If you know the Bible then you will know everything. Voices in head are not mental, think positive and legion as he is many will leave.
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